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Charlie Kirk Today | Senator Mike Lee & Kimball Call: May 13, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | May 13, 2026
- Well, we're going to get the.
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- The show
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- Started off with a bang here because we have none other than
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- The great senator mike lee from the great state of utah.
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- And we got to get into what's going on with fisa,
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- What's going on with the save america act.
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- We have so much to get into.
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- And our audience is a little confused, senator,
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- About these two different topics.
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- And we're also going to talk about uvu.
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- You got mentioned in some, radical, literature
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- That's been passed around that campus.
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- And we're going to be getting
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- Into that, the second half of this hour.
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- But, senator, let's start with pfizer.
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- Pfizer is confusing for a lot of people.
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- Does it spy on americans? does it not?
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- The president used to be against it.
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- Now it seems like he's for it.
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- What's going on here with pfizer?
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- First of all,
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- Pfizer is the foreign intelligence surveillance act,
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- And it's designed to allow us to keep tabs on our foreign
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- Adversaries, people
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- Operating outside the united states
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- Who are not citizens of the united states.
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- And in some circumstances, it can be
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- And occasionally has been used as against americans.
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- Now, pfizer 702 is authorization
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- Now is set to expire in about a month on june 12th.
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- And section 702 specifically
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- Was originally enacted in 2008
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- As to make it easier for the government
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- To get vital intelligence
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- About foreign governments and their agents.
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- The problem is that it has also
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- Allowed agencies like the fbi and the nsa,
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- To gather with some regularity,
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- And search through the private communications
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- Of american citizens without a warrant.
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- In other words, there are some communications from u.s.
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- Citizens that end up getting incidental.
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- They collected this term.
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- Incidental collection is the term that they use
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- To describe the fact
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- That sometimes you will have a phone call
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- Or other communication between a u.s.
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- Citizen
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- And an agent of a foreign power,
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- And if they can then search
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- Through their database for everything that a u.s.
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- Citizen has said.
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- That's kind of problematic, because you could target u.s.
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- Citizens.
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- So we want some protections in there to protect u.s.
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- Citizens.
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- There ought to be something, something akin to a warrant
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- That's required before you can query, the fisa 702 database
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- For information specifically on a, on a particular u.s.
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- Citizen.
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- So and so, if we don't have that,
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- This could create kind of a, fourth amendment and run.
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- Right.
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- So so explain to me this is very interesting here
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- Because we've got this clip here
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- With john solomon and sean hannity.
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- Sean's got his new show.
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- And they're
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- Talking about president trump's own perspective on this.
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- And i think this is what's confusing
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- A lot of people, senator.
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- So i'll play the clip
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- And get your reaction on the other side.
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- Sot one
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- Three of the four fisa warrant signed by james comey himself.
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- You had to verify the
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- Authenticity of it to sign off on it.
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- And, he signed three of the four of them.
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- Fast forward a little bit.
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- All the people that signed every fisa warrant eventually
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- Went for four. lindsey graham.
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- Yeah, all of them said knowing ask the question.
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- Knowing what we know now, would you ever sign that buys
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- A warrant knowing what i know now.
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- Of course not. right.
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- But they knew at the time did they kept a spreadsheet.
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- This is one of the big stories we broke on your show.
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- I remember spreadsheet, they went through
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- Every sentence of the dossier, right?
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- 90% were either disproven, unverified,
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- Or unverifiable, meaning that there was no possibility.
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- You never.
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- When you have an intelligence product,
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- It's 90% of verifiable. it's garbage.
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- It literally is garbage.
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- Listen to their language.
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- So this was when they were spying
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- On president trump's campaign, james comey,
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- They're saying he's signed a warrant.
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- Are they misspeaking there?
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- Is it not really a warrant or what?
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- You know, so my question is,
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- You know, they obviously knew that this intel was bogus.
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- They signed it anyways,
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- They got some authority authorization to do it.
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- What is that authority and authorization
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- Compared to what you're calling for now?
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- Yeah.
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- No, i could be mistaken, but i believe they're talking
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- About other sections of fisa
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- That aren't necessarily 702, because 702 is directed
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- Specifically at agents of a foreign power, at people
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- Who are operating outside the united states.
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- And who are non-citizens.
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- Also, fisa title one.
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- Maybe that's what they were talking about.
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- Yes, exactly.
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- But the abuses of fisa 702 and fisa
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- Generally have been rampant and significant.
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- And as a recent report from the brennan center
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- For justice has highlighted, fbi agents,
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- Over the years, including some recent years,
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- Have searched in the fisa 702 database for the communications
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- Of protesters across the political spectrum
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- Of members of congress, of a congressional chief
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- Of staff, a state court judge, multiple
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- U.s government officials and some journalists
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- And political commentators, and 19,000 donors
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- To a political campaign.
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- It's also been abused at times for individual agents
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- Who decided to use it to vet romantic interests.
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- One guy used it because he suspected that
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- His dad was cheating on his mom,
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- And so he did a fisa 702 query for his dad, who was a u.s.
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- Citizen.
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- Somebody else used it to vet
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- Potential tenants, rental properties.
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- So, as you can imagine, all these things cry out for reform
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- And we need something akin to a warrant, a crime requirement.
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- We shouldn't just rubber stamp these vast domestic
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- Spying powers, for the same deep state
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- That is targeted president trump and members of congress
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- And countless law abiding americans across the country.
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- So do you think no maga republicans
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- To support giving a loaded gun back to the swamp?
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- No, i totally agree.
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- 702 without reform, i completely agree, senator.
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- I'm trying to get clarity here because the 702 it looks like
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- It's authorized by the fbi's fisa court reviews and approves
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- Topical certifications and procedures
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- Submitted by the attorney
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- General and dni to ensure appropriate targeting.
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- The fisa title one is the intelligence
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- Community obtains an individualized
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- Probable cause warrant from the fisa court.
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- Okay, so that's kind of the two buckets.
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- We had that graphic up.
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- 702 does not require warrant currently.
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- And that is the key, i guess reform that you're,
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- That you're hoping to get in place here.
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- Yes, yes.
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- And to be clear to when you pursue a fisa
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- 702 investigation,
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- There is a, type of order that backs that up.
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- And we're not taking issue with that.
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- What we're taking issue with is the ability,
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- Once you have accumulated all that information,
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- Which will necessarily include,
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- Incidental collections of communications from u.s.
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- Citizens that were incidentally swept up
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- Into that same investigation in order to query the database
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- Specifically to see what a u.s.
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- Citizen has said.
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- That's where we need
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- Something akin to a warrant that says, look,
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- We need to look at this is related to the investigation.
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- Here's why we think it's relevant.
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- Let us go do it.
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- Yeah.
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- I mean,
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- Why do you think just in 30s here, senator, why do you think
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- President trump
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- As the it's just sounds like he's
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- Singing from a different song sheet all of a sudden on 702?
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- Well, it's not unusual at all
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- For any president of the united states,
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- To resist efforts to restrict,
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- The executive branch in its ability to do certain things.
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- That's not unusual, especially in a hyper technical, hyper
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- Hyper specialized context like fisa 702.
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- They've got people,
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- Presidents of both parties
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- Have people coming to them every day
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- Within their own administration saying, we need this.
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- We don't want it to be undone.
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- And usually what they're focusing on is that fisa
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- 702 does do good things, and i don't dispute that.
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- But we need to protect americans here. yeah.
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- Well said. senator mike lee, stay right there.
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- Because we got to save america to get to
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- Because we got to save america to get to
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- Senator mike lee, i think we
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- Did a pretty thorough job on pfizer.
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- 702i agree with you that no maga conservative,
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- No conservative
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- Candidly should be supporting
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- Warrantless surveillance of americans.
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- I understand the national security importance of it,
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- But we got to have some checks and balances.
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- And by the way,
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- We we cannot forget how it has been weaponized against us.
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- They will do it again.
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- They will do it again, even with checks and balances.
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- But at least we have some stopgaps.
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- Senator,
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- I want to turn our attention to saving the save america act.
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- You have been one of the leading voices pushing this,
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- Pushing to nuke the zombie filibuster, actually
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- Make senators debate on the floor.
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- We haven't seen the progress
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- That we wanted
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- Or that you wanted, but you've been doing
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- An amazing job pushing that forward.
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- I'm going to play a clip though
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- From kamala harris here and get your reaction.
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- Sot 13 to your point about poll taxes, literacy taxes.
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- This is not new in our history,
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- And it's an agenda that has
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- Been in play since we got voting rights.
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- And to fast forward to today.
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- Yes, it's just it's more of the same.
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- What they will do is basically, to your point,
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- Refuse to register to vote.
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- You're going to have to prove your citizenship
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- By a passport or a birth certificate.
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- So it is estimated that
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- Over 20 million americans
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- Don't have a passport or access to a passport,
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- And to get one is at least $100,
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- If not close to 200, which is, in its essence, a poll tax.
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- Right, is the save america act act a poll tax.
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- Senator lee no, no.
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- In no way, shape or form. is it a poll tax?
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- And this is
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- She speaking with reckless disregard for the truth.
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- Look, she's either flat out lying or she's been badly
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- Misinformed by someone who is lying.
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- Obviously, if if she had bothered to read
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- The save america act,
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- She would see the text beginning at line
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- 22 of page 12 of the bill, which makes clear that
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- Even if you don't
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- Have any of the documentation that you need to establish
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- Citizenship,
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- You can at a minimum, just swear out an affidavit
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- Saying, here's where and when i was born
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- And why i was a citizen at the time of my birth.
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- Or if you're not a natural born citizen, how
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- And when you became naturalized.
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- That then shifts the burden to the state,
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- To disprove your citizenship.
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- It's very, very easy now, she says.
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- Meanwhile, unless you have a valid current u.s passport
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- Or you know,
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- Some other documents, you're out of luck
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- And it's going to disenfranchize people.
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- That's just a lie. it's just a flat out lie.
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- Remember, the save america act
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- Secures our elections by doing two things.
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- Requires, verification of citizenship,
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- With registration and id to vote
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- In an american elections and elections for, u.s.
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- Federal office.
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- Now, these provisions are massively popular
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- Among the american people who, unlike kamala harris,
- 00:11:37.426 --> 00:11:40.129
- Understand what the bill actually does.
- 00:11:40.129 --> 00:11:42.298
- 83% support voter id 95% of republicans
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- And 71% of democrats, 74% support proof
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- Of citizenship requirements, and that includes
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- 90% of republicans and 61% of democrats,
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- 59% of voters.
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- To support passing the save america
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- Act this year before the 2026 midterm elections.
- 00:11:59.849 --> 00:12:03.319
- So look, the only place in the country
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- Where the save america act is even remotely controversial
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- Is among democrats in congress.
- 00:12:09.725 --> 00:12:12.528
- And that's because they're lying about it.
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- And many of them have been misinformed.
- 00:12:14.363 --> 00:12:17.099
- So but we've got to overcome their obstruction.
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- And so we've got two options.
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- We can either force the democrats
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- Into a talking filibuster, we wait them out.
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- We wait till
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- They're exhausted, either physically or exhausted.
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- The number of speeches they can give under rule 19.
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- Then we pass it by a simple majority.
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- Or alternatively, they they, after getting physically tired,
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- They negotiate face saving changes
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- That will make them comfortable with it.
- 00:12:39.155 --> 00:12:40.857
- That's how they pass the civil rights act of 64.
- 00:12:40.857 --> 00:12:42.992
- Or alternatively, we can just nuke the filibuster
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- And pass the save america act by a simple majority.
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- I strongly prefer the first option,
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- But inaction is not an option here.
- 00:12:50.299 --> 00:12:52.635
- We've got to do one or the other.
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- Well, but senator, as you say, it's
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- You know, or do we can dunk on kamala all we want.
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- We can say it's only democrats who oppose it,
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- But it is there is a republican majority.
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- And we've speculated on all those options
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- For getting the bill through.
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- We've i, we get emails a lot about this
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- And they're always asking, okay, why hasn't it passed?
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- Why haven't any of these things been done?
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- It seem a lot of conservatives think that they're
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- They're getting played on this by republican leadership.
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- And is anything going to happen
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- To disabuse them of that notion?
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- Look, we continue to hear assurances,
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- From leader thune and his office
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- That we are going to get back to the save america act.
- 00:13:30.573 --> 00:13:32.508
- We have been tied up on, working on dhs funding,
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- Which we're still working on, will be working through,
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- Through the end of next week.
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- And we've got to reauthorize fisa between now and june 12th.
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- But sometime in the next few weeks,
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- This is going to be ripe again.
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- We're going to have the opportunity
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- And the moment where this comes back.
- 00:13:47.023 --> 00:13:49.058
- Now, you do raise a very important point
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- And that, we've got some senate republicans,
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- Not very many, but but a few who have been naysayers.
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- And i hate to say this,
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- But i can predict something here sometime in the next week
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- Or two,
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- Specifically because i'm doing this interview
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- With you right
- 00:14:06.976 --> 00:14:08.077
- Now, and i'm saying the things that i've said,
- 00:14:08.077 --> 00:14:10.413
- You're going to see a left wing swamp rag like politico
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- Or punchbowl run a half dozen quotes
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- From anonymous republican senators
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- Who don't want to fight for the save america act,
- 00:14:19.188 --> 00:14:21.457
- Complaining that i keep talking about it.
- 00:14:21.457 --> 00:14:23.626
- That is a guarantee.
- 00:14:23.626 --> 00:14:24.827
- But you know what?
- 00:14:24.827 --> 00:14:25.728
- I'm not going to stop talking about it
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- Because the american people are with us.
- 00:14:27.229 --> 00:14:28.698
- The american people deserve this.
- 00:14:28.698 --> 00:14:30.266
- President trump wants it passed.
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- In fact, he's identified it as his top legislative priority
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- As it is mine.
- 00:14:35.638 --> 00:14:36.372
- When chip roy and i
- 00:14:36.372 --> 00:14:37.473
- Set out to write this thing about three years ago,
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- We knew that it needed to happen.
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- I don't know that either one of us, foresaw the extent
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- To which the american people would latch on to it
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- And realize the urgency of it, were thrilled
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- By the public outcry.
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- We're equally surprised that in the senate,
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- We still have opposition from democrats and,
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- Unfortunately, from a few republicans.
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- We're going to come back, though,
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- Because as
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- We keep talking about it, it's
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- Going to be harder and harder for the naysayers
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- To continue to push back.
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- Senator, i've only got another 90s here with you.
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- I want to turn your attention to uvu, obviously, the campus
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- Where charlie was assassinated on september 10th,
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- And there is an article out of the cougar chronicle.
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- We're going to speak to this lead editor next.
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- And it's, you know, inside uva's
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- Extremist student groups on campus
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- And the article details, pretty shockingly, how
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- After september 10th, it's gotten worse on that campus
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- And including images of, you, a signs
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- Depicting you as a kkk leader, and the like.
- 00:15:40.970 --> 00:15:45.908
- It's shocking in general,
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- But to see it out of utah, what is your reaction to that?
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- And, you know, what can be done?
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- Well, it's offensive and i think it's it's odd.
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- I mean, i've never had anything to do
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- With the democratic party.
- 00:15:59.088 --> 00:16:00.289
- And of course, the ku klux klan
- 00:16:00.289 --> 00:16:01.891
- Was the enforcement wing of the democratic party.
- 00:16:01.891 --> 00:16:04.093
- And so it seems like they're clueless
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- About this sort of thing.
- 00:16:06.295 --> 00:16:07.263
- The same people who call
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- Republicans nazis, ignoring the fact that nazis
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- And other fascists are at bottom, socialists.
- 00:16:11.333 --> 00:16:14.937
- But look, all these things show that left
- 00:16:14.937 --> 00:16:17.373
- Wing political violence seems to be growing,
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- Especially on many college and university campuses.
- 00:16:19.608 --> 00:16:23.045
- And it's being promoted by progressive media,
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- In many cases, politicians as well, who dehumanize
- 00:16:26.482 --> 00:16:30.286
- Half the country by calling them nazis,
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- Which provides something of a permission structure for antifa
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- Or other zealots and hamas sympathizers
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- To hurt their enemies.
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- And by hurt them, i mean physically do them harm.
- 00:16:40.596 --> 00:16:43.399
- Well, senator, we got to do something about
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- These, universities are getting out of control.
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- Even in utah.
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- Senator mike lee, thank you for joining us.
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- We appreciate your time.
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- We'll have you on soon. we'll be right back.
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- We'll have you on soon. we'll be right back.
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- All right.
- 00:17:04.483 --> 00:17:05.117
- Very important topic here.
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- We're going to welcome on in kimball call.
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- He's a lead editor for the cougar chronicle.
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- And he's just published a really important story
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- About the increased activity of some pretty radical,
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- Seemingly, i guess you would say,
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- Inclined to violence even or at least violent ideation.
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- At uvu, of course.
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- Uvu is where charlie
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- Was assassinated on september 10th last year.
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- Kimball, welcome to the show.
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- Hey, guys. thanks for having me on. it's an honor to be here.
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- Yeah, it's it's an honor to have you here.
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- You've done a really important piece here,
- 00:17:39.251 --> 00:17:42.087
- And you've documented some of the crazier posts,
- 00:17:42.087 --> 00:17:45.490
- The discord chats, protests.
- 00:17:45.490 --> 00:17:49.794
- Give us the 30,000ft view.
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- So you went to document
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- What's actually happening happening at uva's campus.
- 00:17:53.999 --> 00:17:57.169
- What did you find?
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- So we found that since the assassination of charlie kirk,
- 00:18:00.272 --> 00:18:03.508
- It seemed as though
- 00:18:03.508 --> 00:18:04.709
- The left wing student body has gotten even more radical.
- 00:18:04.709 --> 00:18:08.180
- We found that there was even in the direct
- 00:18:08.180 --> 00:18:11.149
- Aftermath, clubs organizing, and, mobilizing
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- To not take advantage of the opportunity,
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- But to honestly perpetuate the extremist rhetoric that,
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- That i think led to charlie kirk's assassination.
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- So one of these is
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- The civil disobedience club is what they call themselves.
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- They're an official uvu club.
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- They are on campus as a chartered club,
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- And they organized in the very days
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- After the assassination.
- 00:18:37.676 --> 00:18:39.077
- And some of the things they've been involved with
- 00:18:39.077 --> 00:18:40.879
- Have been, protests against the memorial for charlie kirk,
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- Protests against ice
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- And dhs coming on campus for a career fair.
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- They've been some of the they've been responsible
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- For some of the more radical rhetoric.
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- And we were able to obtain
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- Screenshots from within their club
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- Discord of an ideating on violence,
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- Talking about violence against other conservatives,
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- And even offering to train each other
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- On how to use firearms
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- To defend themselves from, quote unquote, fascists.
- 00:19:03.068 --> 00:19:06.104
- But there are also some other students
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- And groups involved with this as well.
- 00:19:07.405 --> 00:19:09.107
- You found this clip of somebody confronting a,
- 00:19:09.107 --> 00:19:12.377
- Gentleman on campus handing out pamphlets,
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- And he says he's glad that charlie, was is gone.
- 00:19:15.213 --> 00:19:19.117
- At least we'll play the clip and have your reaction.
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- Sot 12 i'll be going.
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- Yeah. it's gone. good.
- 00:19:23.588 --> 00:19:25.223
- So i'm just curious, why are you guys writing
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- Bella chow on the sidewalk?
- 00:19:27.192 --> 00:19:29.261
- Because we're against fascism.
- 00:19:29.261 --> 00:19:31.029
- I can not like that.
- 00:19:31.029 --> 00:19:32.030
- Was charlie kirk a fascist? yes, absolutely.
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- He was not sad that he's gone.
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- He wasn't a good man.
- 00:19:36.901 --> 00:19:38.570
- He wasn't a good person.
- 00:19:38.570 --> 00:19:39.504
- He wasn't a good christian anyway.
- 00:19:39.504 --> 00:19:40.905
- And you're glad there was a murder on this campus?
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- That's fascinating. i'm glad that he's gone.
- 00:19:42.741 --> 00:19:44.843
- There is a dehumanizing language and ideology wrapped
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- In, kind of a grotesque moral projection
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- That's coming out of the left where they are wrapping
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- A rationalization for violence and political violence
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- In a moral framework that no christian could ever
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- Recognize, that nobody
- 00:20:03.561 --> 00:20:04.863
- In traditional western culture would recognize
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- Where they have.
- 00:20:07.732 --> 00:20:08.533
- They believe that it's justified.
- 00:20:08.533 --> 00:20:11.069
- And you saw that in that clip that that would be played
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- Where he's saying, i'm glad he's gone.
- 00:20:14.539 --> 00:20:16.708
- What he's saying underneath that is that
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- I'm glad charlie was murdered.
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- I'm glad that this person
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- That i disagree with politically was,
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- Was taken out.
- 00:20:25.183 --> 00:20:26.685
- And i have a moral framework that justifies that.
- 00:20:26.685 --> 00:20:29.988
- And the polling reflects that.
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- Increasingly on the left,
- 00:20:31.222 --> 00:20:32.891
- There are people that believe that it's justified.
- 00:20:32.891 --> 00:20:35.460
- We we play that.
- 00:20:35.460 --> 00:20:36.594
- We've showed the poll again and again.
- 00:20:36.594 --> 00:20:38.163
- But yougov economist did a poll just after charlie's
- 00:20:38.163 --> 00:20:40.965
- Assassination september 13th through the 15th.
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- I would have presumed
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- That people would have
- 00:20:45.937 --> 00:20:47.072
- Been shocked and horrified by what happened at uvu,
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- And that that number would have dropped.
- 00:20:50.542 --> 00:20:52.344
- Perhaps it did. perhaps it went up.
- 00:20:52.344 --> 00:20:53.912
- I don't know, based on your reporting.
- 00:20:53.912 --> 00:20:55.547
- Maybe it
- 00:20:55.547 --> 00:20:56.648
- Maybe it just sort of revealed what was already there.
- 00:20:56.648 --> 00:20:58.850
- But it showed just under 30% of 18 to 39 year old
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- Self-described progressives believe that political violence
- 00:21:02.287 --> 00:21:05.523
- Is justified, and only about 3 to 5%, depending on the cohort
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- Of the same age group of conservatives
- 00:21:09.627 --> 00:21:11.763
- Believe the same, which is still too high.
- 00:21:11.763 --> 00:21:13.565
- Candidly. but it's not 30%.
- 00:21:13.565 --> 00:21:16.167
- And we see that this slide show,
- 00:21:16.167 --> 00:21:18.403
- It becoming a thing that they all see.
- 00:21:18.403 --> 00:21:21.573
- There's there's the graph.
- 00:21:21.573 --> 00:21:22.640
- You can see that
- 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:24.075
- That far left blue node up at the top there, nearly
- 00:21:24.075 --> 00:21:27.178
- 30% of 18, 39 year olds believe
- 00:21:27.178 --> 00:21:30.248
- Political violence is justified.
- 00:21:30.982 --> 00:21:33.051
- And and i think that's what your reporting
- 00:21:33.051 --> 00:21:35.420
- Has just revealed here, is that instead of
- 00:21:35.420 --> 00:21:38.556
- Even giving us the i'm sad it happened.
- 00:21:38.556 --> 00:21:42.127
- He didn't deserve it. that shouldn't have happened.
- 00:21:42.127 --> 00:21:43.828
- I don't do any of that.
- 00:21:43.828 --> 00:21:44.829
- They just like bella chow.
- 00:21:44.829 --> 00:21:46.865
- Let's go.
- 00:21:46.865 --> 00:21:47.665
- Let's go learn how to use firearms.
- 00:21:47.665 --> 00:21:49.033
- Fascism is coming. is knocking at our door.
- 00:21:49.033 --> 00:21:51.569
- What do you think they are consuming kimball at,
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- Uvu and maybe in utah across the country.
- 00:21:55.373 --> 00:21:57.942
- But it does seem uvu has a particular problem here.
- 00:21:57.942 --> 00:22:00.979
- What are they consuming?
- 00:22:00.979 --> 00:22:02.046
- What are they telling themselves
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- To radicalize them like this?
- 00:22:03.281 --> 00:22:06.785
- Yeah.
- 00:22:07.018 --> 00:22:07.652
- You make a good point that
- 00:22:07.652 --> 00:22:08.753
- I think what they're consuming are what jonathan haidt
- 00:22:08.753 --> 00:22:11.089
- And greg lukyanov described as like the three great untruths
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- That my generation is learning, the untruth of fragility.
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- These these kids are being taught
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- From a young age in the education system
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- That they're fragile
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- And that opinions are ideas that they don't like,
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- Are harmful to them.
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- They're also being taught the untruth of emotional
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- Reasoning that when they think with their with their heart
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- Instead of their head,
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- They can be right because they feel right.
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- And if it feels right to do something than it is
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- Right that that's what morality is based on.
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- And then they're being taught the untruth of us versus them.
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- They're being taught
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- That the world is divided into good
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- And bad people, and the bad people
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- Are the people that disagree with them.
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- And and that if those bad evil people are defeated,
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- Then they they're the good guys.
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- We have a joke where we call some of these clubs the anti,
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- The anti bad guy, good guy clubs
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- Because they think of
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- Themselves as revolutionaries against evil people.
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- They, they don't have the, moral, ability
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- To, to understand the nuance that there are good
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- And bad ideas everywhere
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- That everyone has a little bit of good in them
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- And a little bit of bad in them.
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- They see themselves as good and virtuous and others
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- As bad and evil, and so that allows them to justify
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- Violence and ultimately, murder.
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- Kimball.
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- Call lead editor of the cougar chronicle.
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- I think that was well stated.
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- Thanks for coming on. thanks for your reporting, kimball.
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