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Charlie Kirk Today | Tim Pool: October 2, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | October 2, 2025
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- We are, honored
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- To be joined today by the one.
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- The only.
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- I think you're like, what are you,
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- The record holder of youtube streams or something?
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- You know, i don't most youtube streams of all that is,
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- I don't know,
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- There's
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- I think we talked about this once
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- And i think it was a pretty remarkable stat.
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- Anyways, this is, tim pool.
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- Welcome to the show.
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- Thanks for having me. it's it's an honor and a privilege.
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- Well, it's honor to honor to have you.
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- And, i got to do your show on monday night,
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- And that was a great experience.
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- And, i just, you know, with everything going
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- On, tim, we'll get into it later, you know?
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- Thanks for making the trip.
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- I know it's it's no small feat.
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- It security is a huge, huge it's a very large
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- Challenge, is very expensive.
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- But, i again honored that you, you have.
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- You're having me out. yeah.
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- Having you on my show is also. it's an honor and a privilege.
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- Awesome, man.
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- Well, listen, i, i want to we have so much news to cover
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- So i want to i want to make sure we talk about it.
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- And that's the the schumer shutdown, or some breyer.
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- Okay. it sort of snuck up on us. yeah.
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- Because obviously we've been distracted by everything.
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- And in the background there was like, oh,
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- There's a government shutdown possibly approaching.
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- So even
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- I feel a lot of us,
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- A turning point, are belatedly looking, oh,
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- We should we should probably know about this
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- Because people will ask about it.
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- It's interesting because before all of this happened,
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- We were talking about it months ago.
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- We were kind of circling
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- Our calendar, knowing that this was going to be a thing.
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- And then obviously
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- With what happened with charlie,
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- It has totally faded into the background
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- And it feels even more so now, tim, because
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- Of everything that happened.
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- It's just like, i can't explain it.
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- I can't tell if it's just me living in the bubble
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- That i'm living in,
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- But it just doesn't seem quite like the past shutdowns.
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- I agree, and and to be honest,
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- I we're talking to jack possibly about this.
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- I'm not sure where that concerned
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- With the government shutdown when we've had
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- In the past four weeks for terror attacks.
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- It's it's the question we ask when we launch
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- Every show is what is the big story
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- That people are looking for
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- And wanting to understand about and understand,
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- And the government shutdown matters.
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- What is the reason for it?
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- But i think right now when i talk to regular people,
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- When you listen to some of these other podcasts,
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- Big shows, even joe rogan,
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- They're talking about what happened to charlie.
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- Still, it's kind of
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- There's the pros and the cons of that, right?
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- We don't want to forget charlie,
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- But at the same time, it's because we're still scared.
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- And and i'll say, i'll stress this again.
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- Nothing.
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- There's nothing wrong with being afraid.
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- It's what you do in the face of your fears. do you back down?
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- Do you give up or do you persevere?
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- And i think that's what everyone's trying to do.
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- So when i saw a video of a of a detonation
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- At one of your guys's events, i was scared.
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- I said, what are they trying to do?
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- So was that. yeah.
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- I mean, there's there's so much
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- There's so much out there right now.
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- You know, it's funny, i the likes are not public anymore.
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- But i, you can see people when they like your tweet.
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- And i've seen some high profile people, including elon musk,
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- Like a tweet, or a post from that
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- I posted yesterday about this new rutgers,
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- Poll that says, you know,
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- 50% of people think it or over 50% of progressives
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- Left of center
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- People think that it would be justified to kill elon musk
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- To advance their political views, or
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- Donald trump to advance their political views.
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- There's a new poll out today that is also really terrifying.
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- But, you know, we were talking about this before we came on.
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- Steven crowder has felt moved to to go back on to campus
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- And you know basically do his
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- Because stephen steven called him changed my mind.
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- And now he's he's doing it again.
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- And charlie charlie and turning points were prove me wrong.
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- So basically the same concept of go
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- Go on campus and have a debate and do it in a civil way.
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- And i'm going to play this clip.
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- Stephen crowder, cut 96, 2016.
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- The idea was,
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- Hey, calling the left on their bluff civil dialog
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- With anyone to the tune of billions of plays
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- And hundreds of hours.
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- And it got increasingly violent.
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- And what i didn't tell people, i told people out there,
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- Go do this on your own campus, have these conversations.
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- I advocated for it, and charlie took it to another level.
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- He was unbelievable at it.
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- What i didn't do,
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- I didn't tell people about the threats
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- Because i didn't want copycats.
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- I didn't tell them about terrorists from yemen
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- Through sweden showing up in east grand rapids.
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- I didn't tell them about concrete milkshakes.
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- I didn't tell them about my tires
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- Getting slashed, about people trying to firebomb my car.
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- And maybe if i would have picked up the phone,
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- Maybe if i would have used this megaphone
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- To tell people it's real life out there
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- And the left wants you dead,
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- Maybe charlie would have had a fighting chance.
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- Maybe what do you think of that, tim?
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- He's. he's completely right.
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- I've been getting death threats quite a bit.
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- This is what made it makes it, currently
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- Very difficult to travel.
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- The whole time i've been doing this even.
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- Let's go back to 2018.
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- I'm on youtube and i'm like this moderate.
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- And my position at the time
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- Was, i'm not going to vote for donald trump.
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- I'm not going to support donald trump.
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- I'm going to try and be honest
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- About what he's saying and what's going on.
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- I'm not here to get political.
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- I was still getting death threats from the left.
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- I was still being accused of being far right.
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- The lies, the smears.
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- As the threats and the violence ramped up,
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- I stopped going on the ground i used to
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- My whole career was field reporting.
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- I went to berkeley, i filmed these protests.
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- I interviewed people, the threats got so intense.
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- Surely you were doing it? yeah.
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- The younger
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- Generation has picked up that that baton
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- And they're carrying on that legacy.
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- I became too well known and the threats were intense.
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- Where we're at today,
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- Even yesterday, in the face of all the threats that i get,
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- Where we've we've increased our security,
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- Which is already intense.
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- I have people on the right saying, don't talk about it.
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- Don't let anyone know because you don't want like,
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- Exactly what crowder was saying. don't want copycats.
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- You'll make it worse if you bring it up.
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- I fear this is create a perception for the average
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- American that the right is not facing death
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- On a regular basis for going out
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- And talking about these things.
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- We got, in in 2022.
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- We were swatted at my studio 15 times.
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- We had the bomb squad called out three times.
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- They deployed robots, i believe, in two of these
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- Occasions because hoax devices had been sent, which
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- The standard police
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- Deployment could not assess,
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- They had to get the actual machines out there.
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- There are people like him, higby and nick shirley
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- Who are currently on the ground.
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- Just recently,
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- Someone threatened to kill nick shirley
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- On the ground in portland.
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- Yeah, i fear exactly as stephen crowder pointed out, that
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- Because we constantly are told, don't talk about the threats
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- You're getting.
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- These younger guys don't understand
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- How serious the death threats
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- We were getting, why we stopped doing it.
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- And so they go out there thinking, well,
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- I know antifa as violent. i've heard about what happened.
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- And, you know,
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- But as as crowder pointed out, the slashing was tires,
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- The firebombing of others of his vehicles, terrorists
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- From foreign countries showing up
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- Just the other day
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- In the face of the death threats
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- We have been receiving, which,
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- You know, we've been in contact with the fbi over.
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- I have conservatives, people on the right saying,
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- Don't bring it up. just don't say anything.
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- It'll get worse.
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- And then i'm just like, guys,
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- I don't know how much worse it can get.
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- Maybe we need to actually try a different strategy and say,
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- Hey, look, this is very real. it's happening.
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- We need everyone take it seriously.
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- In genesis
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- 12 three, god made a powerful promise
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- To abraham, the father of the jewish people.
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- I will bless those who bless you.
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- The christian bible tells us
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- That we have been grafted into god's family tree.
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- The rich olive tree of israel,
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- The very foundations of the christian faith,
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- The bible and jesus, whom christians call
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- The messiah, are deeply rooted in israel.
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- Supporting israel aligns christians with god's
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- Prophetic timeline.
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- It demonstrates our willingness to be instruments of
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- God's blessing, uplifting his chosen people,
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- And it calls us to confront and heal
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- The centuries old wounds of anti-semitism.
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- The scripture says how good and how
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- Pleasant it is when brethren dwell together.
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- You can be part of this historic movement
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- Andrew
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- Calvert in, executive producer of this
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- Show, joined by blake neff, another of our producers.
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- The man,
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- The myth, the secret weapon, the not so secret weapon.
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- And, tim.
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- Paul, thank you again for coming. tim.
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- What's it? i don't know. what's it like to be in here?
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- I mean, i know that you guys did your show here once.
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- I know, and i think you sat in charlie's chair.
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- I want to sit in the chair.
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- Man, when i walked into the building yesterday,
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- Or two days ago, we're doing our tim
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- Guest, our show from you guys at headquarters.
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- We came out
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- And i remember at the studio
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- That you guys had so graciously built for us
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- So that we could come and do this.
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- The the extent that the team and charlie went
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- For us to have us be involved in what you guys had built,
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- It is beyond an honor.
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- It's, you know, every every.
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- I describe this job as
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- Being this office pushing the rock up the hill.
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- And i have a lot of companies that say, hey, come on my show.
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- Hey, will you?
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- What can i interview on this? and it's always.
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- It's always a chore. it's always work.
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- There's only one time it didn't feel that way.
- 00:10:02.492 --> 00:10:04.027
- If i described it as when when you guys extended
- 00:10:04.027 --> 00:10:07.130
- That offer to come out here,
- 00:10:07.130 --> 00:10:08.498
- It was like, all of a sudden
- 00:10:08.498 --> 00:10:09.466
- The weight of that rock had been gone.
- 00:10:09.466 --> 00:10:10.801
- And i looked to my right and charlie is pushing
- 00:10:10.801 --> 00:10:12.636
- That rock up the mountain says, we got this.
- 00:10:12.636 --> 00:10:14.738
- Come be a part of what we're working on.
- 00:10:14.738 --> 00:10:16.506
- And i could finally relax.
- 00:10:16.506 --> 00:10:17.741
- You not only built us a studio so that we could be here
- 00:10:17.741 --> 00:10:21.211
- And again for us now, but when we had technical
- 00:10:21.211 --> 00:10:24.014
- Difficulties, brought us in and said, you can use charlie.
- 00:10:24.014 --> 00:10:27.317
- Charlie says, you can use my studio,
- 00:10:27.317 --> 00:10:28.719
- You can sit in my chair, do your show.
- 00:10:28.719 --> 00:10:30.220
- We're grateful to have you.
- 00:10:30.220 --> 00:10:31.855
- I walked in on monday and those memories came
- 00:10:31.855 --> 00:10:34.524
- Flooding back of that, that, that feeling.
- 00:10:34.524 --> 00:10:37.594
- And then instantly it was cut in half by the
- 00:10:37.594 --> 00:10:40.397
- By the knowledge of what had happened to charlie.
- 00:10:40.397 --> 00:10:42.199
- And i almost started crying.
- 00:10:42.199 --> 00:10:44.067
- Man, it's it's tough.
- 00:10:44.067 --> 00:10:46.703
- Well, charlie always loved having you at our events, tim.
- 00:10:46.703 --> 00:10:49.873
- And you.
- 00:10:49.873 --> 00:10:50.774
- I think you're a really important voice.
- 00:10:50.774 --> 00:10:52.142
- And you, you occupy a lane, and you do it in such a way
- 00:10:52.142 --> 00:10:55.145
- That i think really engages, you know, a whole different
- 00:10:55.145 --> 00:10:58.982
- Audience, right?
- 00:10:58.982 --> 00:11:00.083
- That that we couldn't reach or weren't reaching is.
- 00:11:00.083 --> 00:11:02.419
- Or maybe we did, i don't know, but
- 00:11:02.419 --> 00:11:03.787
- The point is you did a you do a great job.
- 00:11:03.787 --> 00:11:06.823
- And we were honored to have you
- 00:11:06.823 --> 00:11:07.991
- And, still honored to have you.
- 00:11:07.991 --> 00:11:10.060
- That's why i reached out, because i was like,
- 00:11:10.060 --> 00:11:11.261
- I appreciate it. tim needs to be here.
- 00:11:11.261 --> 00:11:12.662
- Tim needs to be a part of this.
- 00:11:12.662 --> 00:11:14.231
- I looked up to charlie.
- 00:11:14.231 --> 00:11:15.265
- He's he's younger than me. i looked up to him.
- 00:11:15.265 --> 00:11:16.900
- I can't believe the amazing thing that you guys had built.
- 00:11:16.900 --> 00:11:19.436
- And, you know, he's come on my show a couple of times.
- 00:11:19.436 --> 00:11:22.072
- We've got these these hand drawings.
- 00:11:22.072 --> 00:11:23.573
- He's autographed him for us. these posters.
- 00:11:23.573 --> 00:11:25.575
- And so when i come here and i see everything
- 00:11:25.575 --> 00:11:26.977
- That you guys have done,
- 00:11:26.977 --> 00:11:28.445
- When it's the craziest feeling in the world for, you know,
- 00:11:28.445 --> 00:11:31.681
- You and charlie to have been like,
- 00:11:31.681 --> 00:11:32.649
- Not tim, you got to be here.
- 00:11:32.649 --> 00:11:33.717
- I'm like me, like, what are you guys talking about?
- 00:11:33.717 --> 00:11:36.787
- This is so i it's it's it's beyond confidence building.
- 00:11:36.787 --> 00:11:40.991
- I'll put it that up that way. well you've earned it.
- 00:11:40.991 --> 00:11:42.993
- You've earned it. yeah. i want to play.
- 00:11:42.993 --> 00:11:45.662
- I want to show this image for the audience.
- 00:11:45.662 --> 00:11:47.297
- We're talking about left wing violence.
- 00:11:47.297 --> 00:11:48.799
- And i'm going to get into the adl in just a second.
- 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:50.700
- But you look at this, this cut, this would be 300.
- 00:11:50.700 --> 00:11:54.137
- Put this up.
- 00:11:54.137 --> 00:11:55.205
- Majority of strong liberals,
- 00:11:55.205 --> 00:11:57.307
- A majority, which means more than 50%
- 00:11:57.307 --> 00:11:59.976
- Say violence against the rich can be justified.
- 00:11:59.976 --> 00:12:02.846
- 9 in 10 conservatives
- 00:12:02.846 --> 00:12:04.748
- Say it can't be violence against the rich. tim,
- 00:12:04.748 --> 00:12:08.385
- Why are we seeing numbers like this?
- 00:12:08.385 --> 00:12:10.187
- And where did this come from?
- 00:12:10.187 --> 00:12:12.522
- Yeah, i blame social media.
- 00:12:12.522 --> 00:12:14.024
- There's a clip going viral right now from joe rogan's show
- 00:12:14.024 --> 00:12:16.693
- Where he's talking about how he's shocked
- 00:12:16.693 --> 00:12:18.795
- So many run of the mill liberals, teachers, doctors
- 00:12:18.795 --> 00:12:21.865
- Have been celebrating the assassination of charlie kirk.
- 00:12:21.865 --> 00:12:25.302
- And with all due respect, because i think
- 00:12:25.302 --> 00:12:28.205
- Was a great guy,
- 00:12:28.205 --> 00:12:29.272
- I told him this on his show six oh so a year ago,
- 00:12:29.272 --> 00:12:32.242
- We sat down with the executives from twitter, jack dorsey,
- 00:12:32.242 --> 00:12:35.212
- And i got it this and i explicitly stated
- 00:12:35.212 --> 00:12:38.849
- One of my key points of the show
- 00:12:39.583 --> 00:12:40.650
- Is that if you create this bifurcation
- 00:12:40.650 --> 00:12:43.587
- In in the world, and if you do not allow people
- 00:12:43.587 --> 00:12:46.790
- The ability to speak and come together,
- 00:12:46.790 --> 00:12:49.159
- I'm going to build a van and go live down by the river
- 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:50.760
- Because it's going to it's
- 00:12:50.760 --> 00:12:51.995
- Going to it's going to be civil war. it's going to be crazy.
- 00:12:51.995 --> 00:12:54.164
- What i see now is
- 00:12:54.164 --> 00:12:56.800
- I am pessimistic.
- 00:12:56.800 --> 00:12:57.968
- I hate to say this, people call me black belt,
- 00:12:57.968 --> 00:13:00.337
- But when you have
- 00:13:00.337 --> 00:13:01.304
- Social media platforms that allow monetization
- 00:13:01.304 --> 00:13:04.808
- And social growth from
- 00:13:04.808 --> 00:13:07.110
- Celebrating assassinations, you will get more of it,
- 00:13:07.110 --> 00:13:10.881
- Young people were told
- 00:13:11.348 --> 00:13:12.949
- After the assassination of brian thompson in new york
- 00:13:12.949 --> 00:13:15.852
- That assassins are celebrated by the left on social media.
- 00:13:15.852 --> 00:13:20.423
- And they told me,
- 00:13:20.857 --> 00:13:22.359
- You know, youtube acts, all these platforms
- 00:13:22.359 --> 00:13:24.127
- Well, twitter before elon bought it.
- 00:13:24.127 --> 00:13:25.862
- Celebration of death
- 00:13:25.862 --> 00:13:27.898
- Is against the rules to celebrate
- 00:13:27.898 --> 00:13:29.466
- Murder and violence is against us.
- 00:13:29.466 --> 00:13:30.700
- You'll be banned for it.
- 00:13:30.700 --> 00:13:32.402
- After luigi mein johnny was arrested,
- 00:13:32.402 --> 00:13:34.404
- Accused of killing brian thompson,
- 00:13:34.404 --> 00:13:36.006
- They made sainthood candles out of him.
- 00:13:36.006 --> 00:13:38.575
- Social media celebrated him.
- 00:13:38.575 --> 00:13:40.277
- Nobody gets banned.
- 00:13:40.277 --> 00:13:41.011
- Nobody gets suspended, we warned.
- 00:13:41.011 --> 00:13:43.446
- Charlie warned this was creating assassination culture.
- 00:13:43.446 --> 00:13:46.716
- Charlie warned a lot about that.
- 00:13:46.716 --> 00:13:48.351
- Look where it brought us.
- 00:13:48.351 --> 00:13:49.786
- Look where brought us. charlie, it's not changed.
- 00:13:49.786 --> 00:13:51.554
- I mean, we've got real quick,
- 00:13:51.554 --> 00:13:53.223
- Like we had, you know, in advance,
- 00:13:53.223 --> 00:13:55.325
- I believe, of the utah state event.
- 00:13:55.325 --> 00:13:57.127
- We had a table out.
- 00:13:57.127 --> 00:13:58.461
- And it's not just obviously the the big threats
- 00:13:58.461 --> 00:14:01.731
- Or the big violent actions.
- 00:14:01.731 --> 00:14:02.933
- It's all the stuff that lies beneath it.
- 00:14:02.933 --> 00:14:04.701
- So we had these left wingers just kind of walk up and like
- 00:14:04.701 --> 00:14:07.470
- Throw everything off the table and attack it,
- 00:14:07.470 --> 00:14:09.606
- And someone, we're not going to show it,
- 00:14:09.606 --> 00:14:10.907
- But someone handed a pencil illustration of charlie
- 00:14:10.907 --> 00:14:15.545
- Being shot just to the person at the table
- 00:14:15.545 --> 00:14:17.047
- Like that little it's those little elements.
- 00:14:17.047 --> 00:14:19.182
- Or is it informative? oh, is that any of you?
- 00:14:19.182 --> 00:14:20.984
- That's where it was. that was what was less new.
- 00:14:20.984 --> 00:14:23.353
- And they had a note of charlie being shot like, haha,
- 00:14:23.353 --> 00:14:26.489
- Here's your this person you may have met just dead.
- 00:14:26.489 --> 00:14:29.426
- It like this level of like nastiness,
- 00:14:29.426 --> 00:14:31.995
- Like going down
- 00:14:31.995 --> 00:14:33.096
- To the core that you cultivate in these little ways,
- 00:14:33.096 --> 00:14:34.631
- And it turns into this big violence when it's indulged
- 00:14:34.631 --> 00:14:38.068
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- The adl had a turning point
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- Listed as an extremist hate group.
- 00:16:22.339 --> 00:16:25.543
- Meanwhile, it was
- 00:16:25.976 --> 00:16:26.977
- It looked like it was apologizing for antifa.
- 00:16:26.977 --> 00:16:30.347
- Indeed they were.
- 00:16:30.347 --> 00:16:31.348
- It was their glossary of terms.
- 00:16:31.348 --> 00:16:33.417
- It's fascinating.
- 00:16:33.417 --> 00:16:34.185
- Basically everything was racist.
- 00:16:34.185 --> 00:16:35.920
- Did you know that?
- 00:16:35.920 --> 00:16:37.021
- I think numbers one through 60 were considered racist?
- 00:16:37.021 --> 00:16:39.156
- I'm not even kidding. i like that glossary.
- 00:16:39.156 --> 00:16:40.291
- It's like, here's why number three is racist.
- 00:16:40.291 --> 00:16:42.560
- And so they have turning point usa listed in their glossary
- 00:16:42.560 --> 00:16:46.197
- Of terms, describing it as a, you know,
- 00:16:46.197 --> 00:16:47.398
- Like a hate group or something that in fact,
- 00:16:47.398 --> 00:16:49.066
- They've since gotten rid of the whole thing.
- 00:16:49.066 --> 00:16:51.168
- And i think
- 00:16:51.168 --> 00:16:52.503
- At least they're starting to recognize the role
- 00:16:52.503 --> 00:16:54.538
- They played in the avalanche.
- 00:16:54.538 --> 00:16:56.040
- The saying goes, the snowflake
- 00:16:56.040 --> 00:16:57.141
- Doesn't blame itself for the avalanche.
- 00:16:57.141 --> 00:16:58.442
- Each and each one of these ngos, these organizations,
- 00:16:58.442 --> 00:17:01.178
- They make money.
- 00:17:01.579 --> 00:17:02.546
- They receive donations when they accuse people
- 00:17:02.546 --> 00:17:04.682
- On the right of being nazis or white supremacists.
- 00:17:04.682 --> 00:17:07.184
- You here.
- 00:17:07.184 --> 00:17:08.252
- The problem is they strip mined the whole place.
- 00:17:08.252 --> 00:17:10.454
- There were no white supremacists left to condemn.
- 00:17:10.454 --> 00:17:12.389
- So what could they do?
- 00:17:12.389 --> 00:17:13.557
- Well, move over to regular old conservatives
- 00:17:13.557 --> 00:17:15.926
- And accuse them of being
- 00:17:15.926 --> 00:17:16.961
- Racist, i guess, which has created this culture.
- 00:17:16.961 --> 00:17:20.498
- I think all of that has played a deep role in the bifurcation
- 00:17:20.498 --> 00:17:24.668
- Of the moral worldview in this country.
- 00:17:24.668 --> 00:17:27.004
- Liberals don't actually know
- 00:17:27.004 --> 00:17:28.906
- Who charlie was and what he believed,
- 00:17:28.906 --> 00:17:30.774
- And they were shielded
- 00:17:30.774 --> 00:17:32.710
- From actually being exposed to it by the lies
- 00:17:32.710 --> 00:17:35.446
- Of these organizations.
- 00:17:35.446 --> 00:17:36.847
- So they would tell these liberals
- 00:17:36.847 --> 00:17:38.315
- Charlie was a racist, white supremacist.
- 00:17:38.315 --> 00:17:39.783
- Don't listen to him.
- 00:17:39.783 --> 00:17:40.951
- Then if someone ever said, watch this video of charlie,
- 00:17:40.951 --> 00:17:43.254
- They go, no, i'm not watching that. i refuse.
- 00:17:43.254 --> 00:17:45.156
- And same thing was true.
- 00:17:45.156 --> 00:17:46.223
- Is true for trump in the political space.
- 00:17:46.223 --> 00:17:48.959
- It's good they're getting rid of it.
- 00:17:48.959 --> 00:17:50.561
- I'll give him credit for that.
- 00:17:50.561 --> 00:17:51.629
- But we still should recognize the problem.
- 00:17:51.629 --> 00:17:53.097
- And it's amazing how that happens
- 00:17:53.097 --> 00:17:55.299
- And how insulated the algorithms make people right.
- 00:17:55.299 --> 00:17:58.302
- So you live in an information bubble, you know, that's fine.
- 00:17:58.302 --> 00:18:01.972
- I'm not a conservative.
- 00:18:01.972 --> 00:18:03.207
- I mean, maybe by today's standards.
- 00:18:03.207 --> 00:18:05.042
- So what am i?
- 00:18:05.042 --> 00:18:06.210
- Well, i'm a chicago urban liberal from a working class
- 00:18:06.210 --> 00:18:09.513
- Firefighter, you know, first responder kind of area.
- 00:18:09.513 --> 00:18:11.815
- How am i finding myself in this place?
- 00:18:11.815 --> 00:18:13.384
- Well, my biggest concern from the beginning of
- 00:18:13.384 --> 00:18:15.653
- This was the truth of what's really going on.
- 00:18:15.653 --> 00:18:18.622
- And so i enter the space because when i was actually
- 00:18:18.622 --> 00:18:21.458
- On the ground covering news, i'd see cnn lie,
- 00:18:21.458 --> 00:18:24.395
- I'd make a video
- 00:18:24.395 --> 00:18:25.496
- Being like, here's footage of what really happened.
- 00:18:25.496 --> 00:18:27.965
- Liberals were not happy with this.
- 00:18:27.965 --> 00:18:29.733
- They when i went to sweden, donald trump had that
- 00:18:29.733 --> 00:18:32.736
- Famous moment on tv in 2017, last night in sweden, he said.
- 00:18:32.736 --> 00:18:36.073
- And so i did what i always have done.
- 00:18:36.073 --> 00:18:37.875
- I said, i'm going to go there and film
- 00:18:37.875 --> 00:18:39.944
- Vlogs and many documentaries about what's going on.
- 00:18:39.944 --> 00:18:42.513
- I had journalists messaging me saying, don't do it.
- 00:18:42.513 --> 00:18:46.083
- And i'm like, i don't understand why.
- 00:18:46.083 --> 00:18:47.551
- And they said, trump's lying.
- 00:18:47.551 --> 00:18:48.586
- I said, great, i'll prove them wrong.
- 00:18:48.586 --> 00:18:49.486
- They said, no, no, don't, don't go.
- 00:18:49.486 --> 00:18:51.589
- That's how insane is today with the shutdown.
- 00:18:51.589 --> 00:18:54.425
- The big debate is why did it happen?
- 00:18:54.425 --> 00:18:56.160
- Trump says they want to give illegal
- 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:57.428
- Immigrants health care, government funded health care,
- 00:18:57.428 --> 00:18:59.763
- Which is correct. that is the truth.
- 00:18:59.763 --> 00:19:01.865
- I go on cnn and says fact check false.
- 00:19:01.865 --> 00:19:04.235
- Democrats don't want to. why?
- 00:19:04.235 --> 00:19:06.103
- Because the democrat argument
- 00:19:06.103 --> 00:19:07.638
- Is if you entered the country illegally
- 00:19:07.638 --> 00:19:10.574
- But claim asylum after the fact, you are now a legal.
- 00:19:10.574 --> 00:19:15.012
- You are a lawful, immigrant.
- 00:19:15.012 --> 00:19:17.281
- Yeah.
- 00:19:17.281 --> 00:19:17.948
- Just by virtue of whether it's
- 00:19:17.948 --> 00:19:18.916
- Been adjudicated or otherwise by saying so.
- 00:19:18.916 --> 00:19:20.551
- It's just a it's an argument over a definition of a term.
- 00:19:20.551 --> 00:19:24.355
- We think those people are illegals
- 00:19:24.355 --> 00:19:25.923
- There is this contingent that we're seeing on the hard
- 00:19:25.923 --> 00:19:28.659
- Left, the progressive young left
- 00:19:28.659 --> 00:19:30.828
- That obviously doesn't want the truth.
- 00:19:30.828 --> 00:19:32.763
- They just want to kill their enemies. yep.
- 00:19:32.763 --> 00:19:34.498
- And everything else feels like, you know, pointless now.
- 00:19:34.498 --> 00:19:37.134
- And this is why what
- 00:19:37.134 --> 00:19:38.202
- The adl has done now they've deleted
- 00:19:38.202 --> 00:19:40.237
- Their entire glossary of,
- 00:19:40.237 --> 00:19:41.939
- I guess, their hate hate glossary or whatever.
- 00:19:41.939 --> 00:19:44.708
- So you can't look at it anymore.
- 00:19:44.708 --> 00:19:46.343
- But this is what they said about antifa
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- Before we talk about lies and truth, right?
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- Antifa, a decentralized, leaderless movement
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- Of such as nothing to see here. that's a lie.
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- I can confirm that.
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- Composed of loose collections of groups, networks
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- And individuals who are vigorously, vigorously,
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- It's like a you know, it's an oddly positive way to
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- To to say it opposed to fascism and focused on countering
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- Right wing extremism both online and on the ground.
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- And this is where it gets really egregious.
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- While some antifa
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- Adherents have engaged in violence
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- Or vandalism at rallies and events,
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- This is not the norm despite disinformation
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- Campaigns that suggest otherwise.
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- Well, as a journalist who has been on the ground
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- And inside of their meetings, i can confirm that's all lies.
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- They they engage in what's called
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- The diversity of tactics.
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- This is the term they use.
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- They have meetings where they invite
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- These peaceful protesters to join their direct
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- Action meetings, where the leaders,
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- The financiers and the organizers supply
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- Tools and signs and resources and a plan.
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- So there's an effective leader.
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- They they work international.
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- We call them the tourists,
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- Because somehow
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- The same people in new york or in la and turkey.
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- And then what happens is they tell a certain
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- Everyone wear the same clothing.
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- You wear black masks.
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- That way when our agents get violent, they can't convict us.
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- It is coordinated.
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- They have legal, they have they have progressive ngos
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- That specifically go out to provide a league
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- Free legal defense.
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- Watch these videos.
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- You'll hear them yell, what's your name and birthday?
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- And as they're getting arrested,
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- The other name and birthday wine,
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- The legal apparatus they have as an aside to their groups,
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- Then goes the legal system creates reasons
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- By which the person must be must be released.
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- They exploit our speech laws,
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- Our criminal laws, and our court systems
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- So they can engage in this violence.
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- But i'll just say one last thing.
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- The money comes from somewhere.
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- The signs come from somewhere.
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- The marching plans,
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- What route
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- They're going to take comes from somewhere,
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- And they're all flying the same symbol.
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- They got leaders.
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- Oh, the local leaders are like nothing to see here.
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- Everything's safe and peaceful.
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- I mean, they have allowed these antifa militant groups,
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- These guerrilla groups to grow and fester and unabated.
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- I mean,
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- They are absolutely organized and they run the city.
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- Well, i would, i would, i would say
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- I would actually point out
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- Like the decentralization thing is actually fairly true,
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- And it's how they get away with a lot of what they do,
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- Which is they are able to anytime
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- Someone you know reaches out, they sort of melt away
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- And all of that.
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- And so you do need unusual techniques to go after that.
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- We need to update our techniques we need.
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- And so like when you say like go after the funding networks,
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- A lot of the people in antifa are huge losers,
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- Which means they don't need a lot of money to do things.
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- They're the sort of people who are willing to be quasi
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- Homeless or live out of
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- Really crappy apartment, and all they do all day is
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- Go menace ordinary civilized people.
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- But, i mean, it doesn't take a lot of money to do that.
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- The decentralized thing is, is a tricky, position
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- When the adl says they're leaderless.
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- I don't believe for a second
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- The adl does not understand how these systems operate.
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- I think they're intentionally covering for the left,
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- For legal reasons.
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- So in these direct action meetings,
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- They will explain to you
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- Why the leaders must remain nameless.
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- They they have explicitly stated at all
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- The meetings i've been to, maybe like a dozen of these.
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- They say if our leaders come forward
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- And they're visible
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- To law enforcement, they will be targeted, arrested
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- Or smeared in the press.
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- And so while the leaders do exist,
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- You meet them, you shake their hand.
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- There has to be leaders. any system.
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- Eventually people rise up and they become the leaders.
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- Even lobsters have leaders. that's exactly right. yep.
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- As far as you want to go down the rabbit hole, right?
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- It just keeps getting worse. and and
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- Something has to be done.
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- And i think you're you're spot on
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- That we're going to have to adjust our, our tactics to, to,
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- You know, confront this or we're all in deep,
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- Trouble.
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- Forgotten jews.
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