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Charlie Kirk Today | Will Chamberlain: April 2, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | April 2, 2026
- In studio we have a special guest.
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- And that is kale conway.
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- He is the gq.
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- So, grand canyon university chapter social media
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- Manager and chapter chaplain as well.
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- So we had a whole conversation yesterday with selena zito
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- From the washington examiner,
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- And she was talking about her own experience in pennsylvania.
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- So she lives right near pittsburgh.
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- And she says young people are just getting baptized
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- By the droves.
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- And she's seeing this revival that i think a lot of us
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- Had a question about.
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- After charlie's assassination, when you saw
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- That revival energy, was it going to keep going?
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- And so we wanted to kind of bring it back down
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- To the student level with you and have you in in studio today
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- To tell your story, what you're seeing.
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- You're from missouri originally,
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- Outside of kansas city, and now you live in arizona.
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- So you've got kind of multiple perspectives here.
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- Tell us your story.
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- And, you know, you're the
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- The chapter chaplain, which is pretty sweet.
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- So just tell us your story.
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- Yeah.
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- So, i was born and raised in a christian household.
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- I had two really awesome parents that just
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- Led by example, are pretty good role models.
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- And i got saved when i was about ten years old. and,
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- You know, when you get saved that young, it's like i knew
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- Jesus wanted
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- Like he was my savior,
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- But i didn't know the full way of that yet.
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- And i would say the last couple of years, year
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- And a half of my life,
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- There's been a lot of life
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- Events majorly in my life that happened.
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- I lost my dad in april of 2024, just completely unexpected.
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- And that's when i kind of just started
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- Diving deeper into my faith.
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- And just to really understand why i believe these things,
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- Instead of sitting here and regurgitating
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- This information that i was being fed
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- Or just even like
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- What my parents had told me,
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- Like i wanted to sit there and be like,
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- Why do i believe these things?
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- And actually be confident and be able to sit here
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- And say, like, well, this is why i believe this
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- Or this is why i choose jesus, my lord and savior.
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- And it's just kind of been a walk.
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- Walk with that deeper and deeper ever since then.
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- So it's amazing how trauma so often can lead us
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- To deeper walks in our faith with jesus.
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- I mean, i certainly felt that after charlie's assassination.
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- Maybe. let's go there.
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- So you you transferred to gcu or in missouri.
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- Where were you when charlie was killed?
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- I was actually here in gq.
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- So this. yeah.
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- So i transferred to gcu the beginning of the academic
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- Year, last last year.
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- So i started last fall here at gq when this all happened,
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- What was it like on campus?
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- From a spiritual perspective when that happened?
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- So on campus, i, me
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- Personally, i feel like it was a very big shift.
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- And i was also fortunate enough to be at the entire memorial
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- There as well.
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- And you could just be in that building as well.
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- You could just feel that energy
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- Like there was just a revival, or it's like
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- It's a feeling that it's hard to sit there and explain
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- Because it just feels really surreal at the same time.
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- See it on camera right there.
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- Yeah.
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- But it's like it was it was just awesome.
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- I mean, just being in that place right
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- There, it's just the worship
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- And just everything just going on.
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- Like you could really feel the presence of god
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- Just in the room.
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- And i also feel like that
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- Carried out through campus as well.
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- Like that feeling was just there.
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- And you saw that from other students and 100%, yes, i did.
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- It was it was just really undeniably there.
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- Blake i don't know.
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- Well and we always love to ask how did it,
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- How did it evolve over time.
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- Because we've certainly seen evidence
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- There's been a sustained
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- Spiritual revival in some places.
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- Obviously there was a tremendous surge
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- In the days afterwards.
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- We saw that outside of our own, headquarters here. but,
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- Maybe just lay out for us
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- The response or what you saw from students.
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- Charlie's legacy
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- A month later and now we're six months later,
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- I would say within like a month afterwards, like,
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- There's a lot of like, oh, i'm going to step up.
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- I'm going to start believing these things.
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- I'm going to start speaking out more.
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- And as much as i love with love that was continued
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- At that extent.
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- It definitely has died down a little bit.
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- But i definitely don't think
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- It's like below the threshold than that.
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- It was like, it's
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- Definitely exceeded there and it's stayed there.
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- So that energy and that spiritual, just
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- That presence of god has 100% been there this entire time.
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- And it's still i was here and say it still is. yeah.
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- I don't think anyone would be surprised by that.
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- I think, a remark i made closer to it is
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- Would the surge lasts for everyone?
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- No, but there would be at least a few people,
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- Even if it was one person.
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- But it's probably more than that where
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- That moment
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- Will completely transform their life going forwards and
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- Each of those little moments does matter.
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- A tremendous amount, 100%.
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- Well, i mean, you think of the parable of the sower, right?
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- You know, it's the parable of the sower
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- Says that the seeds of faith are scattered
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- And some land on good soil, someone rocky soil,
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- You know, and that's just going to be the case.
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- It's a spiritual reality.
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- You know, so, but i'm, i'm prayerful
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- Because i actually believe
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- That revival starts with repentance.
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- And i remember
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- When charlie was killed,
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- You know, and i've told this story,
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- I actually told it, i think, on the alex
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- Clark podcast where it was i felt this,
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- I don't know if it was fear, but it was
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- It was something i realized that everything that we had,
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- We had built, it was about to change dramatically.
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- And i was resistant to it.
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- And then i remember i was sitting in my hotel room
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- And i just repented and i just said, lord,
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- Whatever you have for me, i say yes to.
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- And and i apologized for fighting that right.
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- And, i curious if you have a similar story
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- With what after your dad passed away.
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- And i'm sorry to hear that.
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- And, you know,
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- You know, this sort of surrendering
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- To god's will in your life 100%.
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- I do, and i appreciate that. so thank you.
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- It was really weird because at first i
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- When this all happened,
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- Obviously, like, i was so confused
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- And like, well, why would you take my dad away?
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- Especially?
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- I'm the oldest of four kids, so i have three
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- Younger siblings, and it was just like, i'm the oldest.
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- I at the time i was 19 and like,
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- How are you going to sit here and take a father away?
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- That had laid a great foundation
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- And just instilled all these great principles
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- And was such a good guy,
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- Compared to a lot of people out in this world right now.
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- Like, how are you going to just take him away unexpected,
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- Unexpectedly from us?
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- And it was really hard because i wrestle with that a lot.
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- I was really confused and i was really angry,
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- And i honestly
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- Like i lashed out at got a lot and it got to the point
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- Where i was like,
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- I instilled this one statement in my head
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- Who was like, i'm not.
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- I'm not here to understand your plan.
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- I'm here to trust your plan.
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- And as more i kind of shifted my mindset into letting
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- Jesus come in and help
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- Carry this burden
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- Rather than trying to take it on to my like myself.
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- Because if i could fix these things myself,
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- I would have already fixed, oh,
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- I would have fixed everything already.
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- And the reality is,
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- We can't fix it ourselves and we need a savior.
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- So once i took jesus in and helped him like had him
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- Help me carry that burden of the loss,
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- The anger, the grief, the sadness, all these emotions
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- That are like super, super heavy.
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- This feeling of just overcoming peace and joy that i had.
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- It was just so over, so overbearing.
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- But yet i didn't understand it.
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- And it's hard to sit there and like,
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- Almost say that as well, because it's like, well,
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- How do i sit here and feel so much peace and joy?
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- Yet in one of the deepest, darkest times in my life and
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- Well, the scriptures say that god will be close
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- To the brokenhearted.
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- So there's that.
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- I'm going to read the sower first.
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- Here a farmer went out to sow a seed.
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- This is jesus talking.
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- As he was scattering the seed.
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- Some fell along the path and the birds came and ate it up.
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- Some fell on rocky places where it did not have much soil.
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- It sprang up quickly because the soil was shallow.
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- But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched,
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- And they withered because they had no root.
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- Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked.
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- The plants.
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- Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced
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- A crop 160 or 30 times what was sown.
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- Whoever has ears, let them hear.
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- Whoever has ears, let them hear.
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- At gcu grand canyon
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- University, how many students go to gcu now?
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- I don't honestly, i'm 30,000.
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- I was going to say i probably like about 30,000 huge now.
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- It's pretty big now.
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- So riley gaines is actually going to be doing
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- A pick up the mic event at gq on april 9th.
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- I think we have the graphic
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- If you guys want to throw that up.
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- So that's pretty sweet. you guys just lock that in.
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- Yeah, we just got it finalized the other day.
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- Now we're advertising like crazy.
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- Oh it's going to be great.
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- She's she's really good at the live events too.
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- We love riley. she's doing a great job.
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- So if you are in the, student body, i guess,
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- Is it open to non-students or is it only students?
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- I think it's only students.
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- I think it's only students. i could be wrong, but don't.
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- Anyways, on that riley gaines at gcu.
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- Let's talk about that. she's a lady. you're not.
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- So what's the dynamic
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- On campus between the the ladies and the gentlemen?
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- Are we because we had some students on
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- And they were basically saying there is some tension.
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- The girls don't like the guys. the guys don't like the girls.
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- They they have different expectations
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- Of what a relationship is.
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- Is that been your experience?
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- I would say so, yes. i would say
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- There is some tension and some friction there.
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- But i also think that stems from a lot of different things.
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- And i feel like this is a topic
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- I could go on and on and about, to be honest, but
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- I think one of the main issues with it is like there's
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- Just not enough men being men, honestly.
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- Like we need to be more masculine.
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- There is a lot.
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- I would say there's a lot more females
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- Trying to step up and be that masculine figure,
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- Rather than the men stepping up
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- And really being the true leaders
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- Or being the real masculine figures in that.
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- And we kind of just let it happen.
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- Like there's just not much control.
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- It's almost like a, oh, you kind of got it.
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- Like, i want to chill out.
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- You can run the show if you like.
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- I'm going to just sit here and not do a whole bunch.
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- And i think that stem, i think that just creates
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- A lot more issues in itself.
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- Well, it's the sin of adam, actually.
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- Actually, you know, passive.
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- Right.
- 00:10:25.982 --> 00:10:27.050
- Where sin of omission, where we're not stepping up
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- Being leaders as god has intended men to be.
- 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:32.656
- So there's this interesting dynamic that's going on.
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- I don't know if you seen this, blake,
- 00:10:34.791 --> 00:10:35.926
- But isabelle brown said that women should get married
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- And have more babies.
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- Sot 17
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- You're not encouraging your children
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- To grow up and have the courage
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- To get married and have kids, more kids
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- Than they can afford before
- 00:10:46.336 --> 00:10:47.537
- They think they're ready, it is high time to start.
- 00:10:47.537 --> 00:10:50.540
- It is these choices like deleting our dating apps
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- And putting birth control pills and saying i do at the altar
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- That ultimately trickle down into the political policies
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- That we will see save our country.
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- Ladies, the view did not like this became a whole thing.
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- Sorry.
- 00:11:04.721 --> 00:11:05.388
- 18 what is she what the what
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- What what what what what's to show?
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- My ultimate beef with
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- This is that it wraps a woman's worth up in her ovaries.
- 00:11:12.829 --> 00:11:16.366
- The fact that we keep putting this on women,
- 00:11:16.366 --> 00:11:18.635
- That their only worth in society, politics, policies
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- Is if they produce a baby or have a
- 00:11:21.805 --> 00:11:24.775
- Husband is the stupidest, most old fashioned thing.
- 00:11:24.775 --> 00:11:27.911
- We have come too far as the call to responsibility
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- For the men
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- Who make me who helped make these children right, i am.
- 00:11:33.083 --> 00:11:35.585
- I don't know why.
- 00:11:35.585 --> 00:11:36.787
- It's always people lecturing women what they have to do.
- 00:11:36.787 --> 00:11:41.825
- And i'm lying.
- 00:11:41.825 --> 00:11:42.459
- If you're not paying my bills,
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- You don't get to tell me what i do with my uterus.
- 00:11:44.227 --> 00:11:47.130
- It's so funny
- 00:11:47.130 --> 00:11:48.098
- Because they can just do this bland stuff,
- 00:11:48.098 --> 00:11:49.966
- And then everyone claps like a seal.
- 00:11:49.966 --> 00:11:51.635
- Yeah. why?
- 00:11:51.635 --> 00:11:53.103
- I say yeah,
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- You okay if you use your brain, why would this maybe matter?
- 00:11:54.638 --> 00:11:57.274
- Well, if you don't have kids, your civilization ceases
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- To exist, period.
- 00:12:00.977 --> 00:12:03.180
- Maybe that's why.
- 00:12:03.613 --> 00:12:04.347
- Maybe that's why there was some.
- 00:12:04.347 --> 00:12:05.482
- But by the value to doing that, isabel was not saying
- 00:12:05.482 --> 00:12:08.318
- Your only value is in your ovaries. she was saying
- 00:12:08.318 --> 00:12:10.854
- It's a good thing to point to, to aim to.
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- So you should do it because it's a blessing,
- 00:12:14.457 --> 00:12:16.426
- By the way, it is a blessing.
- 00:12:16.426 --> 00:12:17.727
- Children are a blessing from the lord.
- 00:12:17.727 --> 00:12:19.596
- And they're hard. they're expensive.
- 00:12:19.596 --> 00:12:21.832
- They take a lot of time.
- 00:12:21.832 --> 00:12:23.099
- Totally worth it. anyways.
- 00:12:23.099 --> 00:12:24.901
- So you're seeing this energy on campus, am i right?
- 00:12:24.901 --> 00:12:27.437
- I would say so 100%.
- 00:12:27.437 --> 00:12:29.339
- I think it stems from you see, kind of this stuff online
- 00:12:29.339 --> 00:12:33.043
- And it just kind of trickles down
- 00:12:33.043 --> 00:12:34.244
- And it's like you get
- 00:12:34.244 --> 00:12:35.378
- A really very twisted worldview you have, no matter what
- 00:12:35.378 --> 00:12:38.448
- Side of the spectrum you are on when it comes to
- 00:12:38.448 --> 00:12:41.151
- Certain beliefs or ideologies, whatever it may be,
- 00:12:41.151 --> 00:12:43.653
- It trickles down and it starts with society, in my opinion.
- 00:12:43.653 --> 00:12:46.756
- And then also, men just don't want to sit here
- 00:12:46.756 --> 00:12:48.892
- And do anything about it for the most part,
- 00:12:48.892 --> 00:12:50.493
- At least in my generation.
- 00:12:50.493 --> 00:12:51.761
- Yeah, like
- 00:12:51.761 --> 00:12:52.796
- I just see a lot of dudes get walked all over
- 00:12:52.796 --> 00:12:54.297
- And they kind of just take it sometimes.
- 00:12:54.297 --> 00:12:55.932
- And i'm like, guys, we need to step up and be real men.
- 00:12:55.932 --> 00:12:58.635
- We need to start leading better, lead by example
- 00:12:58.635 --> 00:13:01.204
- And do these things that real men do.
- 00:13:01.204 --> 00:13:03.073
- I totally agree, i don't think men are the problem.
- 00:13:03.073 --> 00:13:05.108
- I think the solution one i think if it because here's
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- Here's a couple things.
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- Two things
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- If you value children, if you create spaces
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- In your society to have children,
- 00:13:14.451 --> 00:13:16.019
- Whether that's at restaurants or parks or games or whatever,
- 00:13:16.019 --> 00:13:19.389
- That is a good thing.
- 00:13:19.890 --> 00:13:20.957
- If you value children,
- 00:13:20.957 --> 00:13:22.092
- You will have more children as a society.
- 00:13:22.092 --> 00:13:23.894
- So point one men, if you value strong men,
- 00:13:23.894 --> 00:13:27.898
- You will get more strong men if you value passivity.
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- If you if you tell them
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- That they are toxically masculine
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- And that they are the villains in the story,
- 00:13:34.537 --> 00:13:36.773
- Men are going to opt out.
- 00:13:36.773 --> 00:13:38.108
- It's the sin of adam.
- 00:13:38.108 --> 00:13:39.442
- We get passive and we let the women run roughshod.
- 00:13:39.442 --> 00:13:42.712
- That's not a healthy society either.
- 00:13:42.712 --> 00:13:44.714
- I believe deeply, deeply, deeply
- 00:13:44.714 --> 00:13:47.450
- That women want strong men to lead.
- 00:13:47.450 --> 00:13:49.386
- They want them to be productive.
- 00:13:49.386 --> 00:13:50.687
- They want them to have vision.
- 00:13:50.687 --> 00:13:51.755
- They want them to be full of life, full of vision.
- 00:13:51.755 --> 00:13:55.358
- And when women in this this progressive
- 00:13:55.358 --> 00:13:58.094
- Feminist mindset put, try and put men in a corner,
- 00:13:58.094 --> 00:14:01.398
- What are men going to do?
- 00:14:01.398 --> 00:14:02.565
- They're not going to rise to the occasion
- 00:14:02.565 --> 00:14:03.800
- If you tell them they're the evil villain. you know,
- 00:14:03.800 --> 00:14:06.469
- In the story, they're going to opt out, they're going to go
- 00:14:07.637 --> 00:14:10.073
- Play video games, they're going to get walked on.
- 00:14:10.073 --> 00:14:13.109
- You're the chaplain of your of your chapter here,
- 00:14:13.109 --> 00:14:15.612
- Which is a cool title. not all of our chapters have.
- 00:14:15.612 --> 00:14:17.747
- I think we should actually.
- 00:14:17.747 --> 00:14:19.282
- What's your what's your read on this.
- 00:14:19.282 --> 00:14:21.818
- What's your message.
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- What are you telling young men your age?
- 00:14:22.719 --> 00:14:24.888
- Young men?
- 00:14:24.888 --> 00:14:25.755
- I tell my age, it's like it's time for.
- 00:14:25.755 --> 00:14:27.657
- Even though if you feel this way
- 00:14:27.657 --> 00:14:28.925
- And like you kind of want to sit here like, like you
- 00:14:28.925 --> 00:14:30.894
- Said, and get back to the or
- 00:14:30.894 --> 00:14:32.062
- Whatever, like it's we are the solution anyways.
- 00:14:32.062 --> 00:14:35.966
- Like we still have to step up.
- 00:14:35.966 --> 00:14:37.600
- Like you still have to be able to one work on yourself
- 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:40.704
- And figure out these beliefs, figure out
- 00:14:40.704 --> 00:14:42.806
- What you truly believe and what you stand for
- 00:14:42.806 --> 00:14:44.908
- And have a real passion.
- 00:14:44.908 --> 00:14:46.543
- And you need to have goals
- 00:14:46.543 --> 00:14:47.877
- And you need to have purpose with your life.
- 00:14:47.877 --> 00:14:49.312
- You need to be purposeful.
- 00:14:49.312 --> 00:14:50.847
- Women want someone that is going to be very purposeful,
- 00:14:50.847 --> 00:14:53.984
- Someone that's
- 00:14:53.984 --> 00:14:54.951
- Going to go out there and go do something,
- 00:14:54.951 --> 00:14:56.486
- Someone that wants to actually get stuff done.
- 00:14:56.486 --> 00:14:58.488
- And there's i don't think i see a lot of that.
- 00:14:58.488 --> 00:15:00.490
- And just being able to take action on just something
- 00:15:00.490 --> 00:15:03.159
- As simple as it sounds, something like that can create
- 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:06.029
- A huge difference with a lot of that stuff.
- 00:15:06.029 --> 00:15:08.932
- I totally agree.
- 00:15:08.932 --> 00:15:10.100
- I think, i, i hate that men tend to opt out.
- 00:15:10.100 --> 00:15:14.304
- I think it's a, it's a nihilism that's seeped in,
- 00:15:14.304 --> 00:15:17.640
- And what do you think is going to happen
- 00:15:17.640 --> 00:15:18.675
- When you tell young men that they're terrible,
- 00:15:18.675 --> 00:15:21.144
- Not worth anything and they're the villains
- 00:15:21.144 --> 00:15:22.746
- And toxic and all this stuff.
- 00:15:22.746 --> 00:15:24.681
- Men can do incredible things,
- 00:15:25.315 --> 00:15:27.484
- But you have to want them to do incredible things.
- 00:15:27.484 --> 00:15:29.252
- That's exactly right. that's exactly right.
- 00:15:29.252 --> 00:15:31.855
- There's another clip here that's
- 00:15:31.855 --> 00:15:34.257
- Kind of interesting, about affordability.
- 00:15:34.257 --> 00:15:36.993
- I'm not going to play.
- 00:15:36.993 --> 00:15:37.694
- It's too long, but it's like,
- 00:15:37.694 --> 00:15:38.995
- You know, she says, i think it's really reckless.
- 00:15:38.995 --> 00:15:41.331
- This is from the view
- 00:15:41.331 --> 00:15:42.599
- To be suggesting that people
- 00:15:42.599 --> 00:15:44.701
- Should have children when, you know, there's this country
- 00:15:44.701 --> 00:15:46.770
- Is having a affordability crisis.
- 00:15:46.770 --> 00:15:48.371
- Final note children will never be affordable.
- 00:15:48.371 --> 00:15:51.374
- They'll never be convenient.
- 00:15:51.374 --> 00:15:53.877
- You can still have them.
- 00:15:53.877 --> 00:15:54.811
- Guess what? you'll find a way your
- 00:15:54.811 --> 00:15:56.546
- You will make space in your life.
- 00:15:56.546 --> 00:15:58.381
- For children, it doesn't mean be reckless.
- 00:15:58.381 --> 00:16:00.383
- It doesn't mean do it when you don't have a job or
- 00:16:00.383 --> 00:16:01.985
- Something like that. but guess what?
- 00:16:01.985 --> 00:16:03.086
- You might have children and you lose your job.
- 00:16:03.086 --> 00:16:04.854
- You got to find a way out.
- 00:16:04.854 --> 00:16:06.890
- Orienting your life around the next generation is always,
- 00:16:06.890 --> 00:16:09.993
- Always a good thing.
- 00:16:09.993 --> 00:16:14.009
- Always a good thing.
- 00:16:14.009 --> 00:16:22.508
- Obviously, the supreme court
- 00:16:23.109 --> 00:16:24.877
- Is hearing arguments over birthright citizenship,
- 00:16:24.877 --> 00:16:28.381
- Something we think is stupid and not at all.
- 00:16:28.381 --> 00:16:31.784
- What? the 14th amendment.
- 00:16:31.784 --> 00:16:33.152
- Prescribes, especially children for illegals.
- 00:16:33.152 --> 00:16:36.923
- It was written, children of chinese oligarchs.
- 00:16:36.923 --> 00:16:39.225
- Yep. ccp infiltrators.
- 00:16:39.225 --> 00:16:42.695
- I the fact that we even have to have this argument,
- 00:16:42.695 --> 00:16:45.598
- And it seems like the supreme court justices,
- 00:16:45.598 --> 00:16:49.235
- Are skeptical of the government's case
- 00:16:49.235 --> 00:16:52.371
- Is amazing to me,
- 00:16:52.371 --> 00:16:53.606
- But we're going to break it all down with will chamberlain.
- 00:16:53.606 --> 00:16:56.509
- From the article three project.
- 00:16:56.509 --> 00:16:58.144
- You can follow him on. it's a great follow.
- 00:16:58.144 --> 00:16:59.745
- Well, welcome back to the show.
- 00:16:59.745 --> 00:17:02.215
- Good to be with you.
- 00:17:02.215 --> 00:17:03.382
- You've been paying close attention this morning,
- 00:17:03.382 --> 00:17:06.319
- And i think it's safe to say
- 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:08.254
- Blake is already doing over here. what do you make of it?
- 00:17:08.254 --> 00:17:10.590
- I'm hearing. i'm hearing mixed results.
- 00:17:10.590 --> 00:17:12.859
- So i want to hear your take because you've been
- 00:17:12.859 --> 00:17:14.927
- Paying close attention.
- 00:17:14.927 --> 00:17:16.696
- So, yeah, i think it may have been made
- 00:17:16.696 --> 00:17:19.599
- Sense to doom if you were just listening
- 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:21.134
- To the justices questions of john sauer.
- 00:17:21.134 --> 00:17:23.569
- But i think i think there's reason for optimism,
- 00:17:23.569 --> 00:17:25.605
- Having listened to the justices questions.
- 00:17:25.605 --> 00:17:27.807
- Cecilia wang, who's the aclu legal director and the person
- 00:17:27.807 --> 00:17:31.277
- Arguing for the respondents in this case,
- 00:17:31.277 --> 00:17:33.646
- She's getting a series of very tough questions
- 00:17:33.646 --> 00:17:35.915
- And not handling them particularly well, in my view.
- 00:17:35.915 --> 00:17:38.651
- And i think the basic problem
- 00:17:39.285 --> 00:17:42.321
- That the respondents have to deal with is that
- 00:17:42.321 --> 00:17:45.691
- This important clause, not subject to the jurisdiction
- 00:17:45.691 --> 00:17:48.594
- Thereof, has a kind of natural meaning
- 00:17:48.594 --> 00:17:51.797
- That's pretty well understood at the time that it doesn't
- 00:17:51.797 --> 00:17:54.367
- Include people with allegiance to a foreign power.
- 00:17:54.367 --> 00:17:57.003
- Or rather primarily just to the foreign power,
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- And that it only includes
- 00:17:59.372 --> 00:18:00.406
- People who are domiciled in the united states.
- 00:18:00.406 --> 00:18:03.142
- And her her basically the respondents
- 00:18:03.142 --> 00:18:05.578
- Way of dealing with this, because they can see
- 00:18:05.578 --> 00:18:07.446
- There are these exceptions, obviously, the exception
- 00:18:07.446 --> 00:18:10.583
- For american indians, the exception for foreign
- 00:18:10.583 --> 00:18:13.386
- Diplomats, the exception for children of invaders.
- 00:18:13.386 --> 00:18:17.056
- But she basically says that's just a closed set
- 00:18:17.056 --> 00:18:19.625
- Of exceptions.
- 00:18:19.625 --> 00:18:20.560
- There's no further exceptions that could
- 00:18:20.560 --> 00:18:21.561
- Possibly be acceptable.
- 00:18:21.561 --> 00:18:23.796
- You know, 150 years later
- 00:18:23.796 --> 00:18:25.965
- And the justices are pointing out it's like, well,
- 00:18:25.965 --> 00:18:28.935
- But they didn't
- 00:18:28.935 --> 00:18:30.169
- Create a list of exceptions when they wrote
- 00:18:30.169 --> 00:18:31.837
- The 14th amendment as written.
- 00:18:31.837 --> 00:18:33.506
- They they included this phrase as a general rule,
- 00:18:33.506 --> 00:18:36.876
- Meaning that if you know you're born here and not subject
- 00:18:36.876 --> 00:18:39.979
- To the jurisdiction thereof of another country,
- 00:18:39.979 --> 00:18:43.649
- Then you're a citizen, then you're entitled
- 00:18:43.649 --> 00:18:45.117
- To birthright citizenship.
- 00:18:45.117 --> 00:18:46.285
- And she's just she's she's struggling.
- 00:18:46.285 --> 00:18:48.421
- Honestly, she doesn't have a good explanation for why
- 00:18:48.421 --> 00:18:51.824
- That general rule is just only applies
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- To these
- 00:18:54.961 --> 00:18:56.195
- Three closed exceptions and then doesn't have any analogies
- 00:18:56.195 --> 00:18:58.965
- That can be drawn from it.
- 00:18:58.965 --> 00:19:00.166
- I don't think the children of lawful permanent residents
- 00:19:00.166 --> 00:19:03.302
- Should be citizens.
- 00:19:03.302 --> 00:19:04.237
- I'm that i'm that hard core on this.
- 00:19:04.237 --> 00:19:05.871
- But listen, we're not arguing that
- 00:19:05.871 --> 00:19:08.107
- Right now before the supreme court.
- 00:19:08.107 --> 00:19:10.109
- We're saying children of illegals,
- 00:19:10.109 --> 00:19:11.711
- Birthright citizenship for illegals.
- 00:19:11.711 --> 00:19:13.379
- Okay. go ahead. i can see you have thoughts.
- 00:19:13.379 --> 00:19:15.881
- Yeah.
- 00:19:15.881 --> 00:19:16.949
- Well, so i mean, wong kim ark is and neither is
- 00:19:16.949 --> 00:19:20.152
- John sauer, right?
- 00:19:20.152 --> 00:19:21.087
- That's an important thing to understand.
- 00:19:21.087 --> 00:19:22.388
- Like, there was a whole interesting
- 00:19:22.388 --> 00:19:24.090
- Discussion, of what was happening here
- 00:19:24.090 --> 00:19:27.093
- Because john sauer in the united states,
- 00:19:27.093 --> 00:19:29.061
- His position is that wong
- 00:19:29.061 --> 00:19:30.229
- Kin mark is good law and that it just doesn't control,
- 00:19:30.229 --> 00:19:33.733
- The question of the children of illegal aliens or temporary
- 00:19:33.733 --> 00:19:36.636
- Residents, because throughout wong kim ark is a discussion
- 00:19:36.636 --> 00:19:39.605
- That it's legal residents, it's people who are domiciled
- 00:19:39.605 --> 00:19:42.508
- In the united states and lawfully present.
- 00:19:42.508 --> 00:19:45.111
- So, that's that's the idea there.
- 00:19:45.111 --> 00:19:48.214
- And, you know,
- 00:19:48.214 --> 00:19:49.382
- Interestingly, like the the way that cecilia wong opened
- 00:19:49.382 --> 00:19:51.817
- Her presentation was to say, wong kin mark controls
- 00:19:51.817 --> 00:19:55.254
- The results of this case.
- 00:19:55.254 --> 00:19:56.489
- There's wong mark requires that you give citizenship
- 00:19:56.489 --> 00:19:58.958
- To basically anybody born here
- 00:19:58.958 --> 00:20:00.526
- Outside of the closed exceptions.
- 00:20:00.526 --> 00:20:02.795
- And that's the end of it.
- 00:20:02.795 --> 00:20:04.163
- And justice
- 00:20:04.163 --> 00:20:04.797
- Kavanaugh actually pointed out
- 00:20:04.797 --> 00:20:05.931
- In his questioning,
- 00:20:05.931 --> 00:20:06.866
- It's like,
- 00:20:06.866 --> 00:20:07.667
- So you're you're basically saying
- 00:20:07.667 --> 00:20:08.601
- We really don't need to even do much here
- 00:20:08.601 --> 00:20:10.469
- Because under your theory,
- 00:20:10.469 --> 00:20:12.371
- You know,
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- The administration is wrong about what one cannot means,
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- And they're not calling it for it to be overturned.
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- So the end that's your
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- That's the decision you'd have us give.
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- We could give a two page decision.
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- And she said yes.
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- And the reason that's always a bad sign
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- For the person making that argument.
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- Justice thomas is pointed this out.
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- Supreme court doesn't take easy cases. that's not the.
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- And if they do, they take them through
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- What's called,
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- They just like we'll do a grand vacate and remand
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- Or they'll they'll just issue a suit, not to respond to.
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- Sorry, but like a per curiam opinion
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- Without hearing argument,
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- When they hear argument in the case,
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- When they go through
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- All this effort, it's usually because they think
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- The question is a little bit more challenging
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- Than, the people suggest.
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- It's it requires some real difficulty.
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- So i don't think the court
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- Agrees with the respondent's interpretation of guan kim ark.
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- And i think that's a big problem for them,
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- Because if the court doesn't agree,
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- Then all of a sudden that the question of what does the the,
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- The 14th amendment mean, what is its original
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- Meaning is really quite central,
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- Like does it is it does it allow for either
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- The executive or congress to create new rules
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- About the children of illegal aliens?
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- And i mean, it should, as a policy matter.
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- It should obviously like it is straight up insane
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- To if you were crafting an immigration law
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- From first principles,
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- It would be straight up insane to do so
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- And include a rule
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- That said the people who break your immigration
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- Law, their children get to be citizens.
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- General sauer actually touches on this point.
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- Here. we have a clip. stop for.
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- Page 29 of the congressional record from 1866.
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- Senator cowan gives this
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- Early racist statement where he says that.
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- And what does he say right to be any of that,
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- That sort of offensive speech.
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- He says he says, we can't have children
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- Of gypsies, children of chinese immigrants.
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- We can't have them become citizens.
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- And he says, quote,
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- Has any more rights than a sojourner in the united states.
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- So he's trying to persuade the republicans to his view,
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- By appealing to a common understanding that
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- Sojourners do not have children who become citizens.
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- He says, how powerful evidence
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- Are that everybody understood this, too,
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- You know, not sweeping the temporary sojourner.
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- Quick aside, like general sauers voice is not helping him
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- Here.
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- It's it's it's it's raspy and hard to listen to.
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- But i mean, his point is well made that
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- It was one of his best points of the day.
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- Yeah.
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- And because i think that was
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- I forget who asked the question.
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- He was either sotomayor or jackson,
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- But she brought up this, you know,
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- Terrible like statement made by one of these people.
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- And the point sauer made was like,
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- If you actually read the statement clearly, it
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- It just is incredibly evidence for the idea
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- That how the senate
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- And how congress understood the 14th amendment
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- And understood this phrase, subject to the jurisdiction
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- Thereof, was that it didn't cover temporary visitors.
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- Which if if true, that blows up
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- The entire theory of the case of the aclu.
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- Who says that there are only these narrow, closed exceptions
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- Indian tribes, children
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- Of ambassadors, children of foreign invaders.
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- And there's no other possible exception that that
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- That's all the subject of the jurisdiction
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- Thereof means is that in this small universe of closed
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- And already specified exceptions.
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- And clearly that's not what the framers
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- Of the 14th amendment thought at all as a foreign object.
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- You know, they
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- They thought there was
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- A general rule being promulgated,
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- Meaning that you had to have allegiance, that it wasn't
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- Just people who were just randomly showing up.
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