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Charlie Kirk Today | Wynton Hall: March 18, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | March 18, 2026
- Listen, we've
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- Got a lot of breaking news happening this morning.
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- First up for bids is, of course,
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- The resignation of joe kent.
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- He has issued a resignation letter resigning
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- From my position as director of national
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- Counterterrorism center, effective today.
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- He cites the war in iran as his reason.
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- He said there was no imminent threat.
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- That that was, you know, concocted narrative.
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- And he is out.
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- He is out at the, counterterrorism center.
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- Blake, this is, going to be used
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- By a lot of people
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- That don't like this conflict currently to, you know, attack
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- The administration, ironically, and perhaps intentionally.
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- Dni tulsi gabbard
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- Is scheduled to, testify before the senate select
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- Committee on intelligence tomorrow, as well
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- As the house, house counterpart committee.
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- So the timing seems to be rather intentional here,
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- And very well may be, it's it's certainly
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- The first high profile departure
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- From the administration that is explicitly over
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- The iran conflict.
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- It might not be the last one.
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- As you said, it's possible tulsi could quit.
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- It's possible others could step aside.
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- Now,
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- Whether that's a good idea, even if you're
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- A skeptic of the war, i think can be debated.
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- Because what you do, any time you quit
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- Like this is you are you're stepping aside.
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- You're letting the president
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- And, you know, probably the people
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- Who are most in favor of the change
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- Install someone else in your place.
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- So it's kind of it's a decision to give up
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- On the administration, which we're one year in.
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- There's a lot of presidency
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- To go and there's a lot of problems.
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- We genuinely still need to deal with.
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- And so i think
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- Even if you're
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- Worried about this war,
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- Even if you're
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- Concerned about it starting,
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- Even if you're concerned about how it will end,
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- I don't necessarily
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- See how it's useful to do a big gesture like this,
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- Unless you've just decided you're totally out.
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- And i'm thinking back to how annoying
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- It was in the president's first term when you had people
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- Doing these big
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- Public resignation jobs, mostly on the other side,
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- I remember mattis quitting, and then he became a big thorn
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- In the side of the administration.
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- Tillerson you had a lot of that.
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- And i don't think it,
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- I don't think it made the president well-disposed
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- Towards those people.
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- And in that sense, it kind of did help us over time,
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- Because it was a lot of people on the more moderate
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- Wing of the party stepping out.
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- But if the people on the more
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- Anti-war wing are now the ones giving the president grief,
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- I do wonder how that might affect the president's
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- Approach to things.
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- Yeah.
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- I mean, obviously, joe kent is
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- Making a calculation here that this will become a pr
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- Issue for the administration, that he can accomplish
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- More to stop the war if he does something like this.
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- I don't think that's going to happen.
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- Speculation is that he is potentially already
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- Scheduled to be on the tucker carlson show
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- To discuss, his reason for resigning.
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- You know, there is, interestingly enough, a tweet
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- Of his going around where he discusses, you know,
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- The iran has been trying
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- To assassinate president trump since the soleimani
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- Attack in trump.
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- 1.0, so a lot of people are sort of throwing
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- That back in his face saying, you know,
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- You know what, what changed, joe?
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- Because it it does seem like, you know, a country
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- Trying to assassinate our president
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- Is a pretty dramatic and i would say
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- Confrontational step.
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- So if joe kent was aware of the nature of these attacks
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- And the seriousness
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- Of these attacks, i mean, you could justify an attack
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- Against iran simply on that, measure alone.
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- So i, i have mixed feelings here.
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- Listen, i am, i think i've been very clear that i am
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- Not 100% always, rah rah in favor of regime change. no.
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- Right.
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- Charlie, as a matter of fact, we we warn against it.
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- We we we want peace.
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- But when the decision was made by president trump to go,
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- Then we we are then in support of our troops.
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- We're in support of success in this war.
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- And we want it to be a good thing for the world.
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- But, you know, so so listen, i actually think
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- Joe kent being a, a counter to voice,
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- A voice of restraint can be a good thing.
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- To your point, blake, maybe you could
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- You can make the argument he could achieve more for,
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- The effort of peace by being in that position
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- Than being out.
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- But obviously, he's made the decision not to. now, joe.
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- Joe kent, i want to be very clear,
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- Is somebody that has served his nation multiple deployments.
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- He lost his wife, in, in the, i believe it was,
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- I forget the sandwich call.
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- Yeah. it was afghanistan. yeah.
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- So he lost his wife there. he's been through a lot.
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- I do believe he's a patriot. he.
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- But there's a lot of people
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- That have come out against joe kent.
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- For those not aware of the inside
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- Baseball there, joe kent was probably
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- One of the most controversial figures within the trump admin.
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- He's been accused of leaking documents multiple times.
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- I have no evidence to conclude one way or the other.
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- That's certainly the rumor, though, that he's been leaking.
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- And so you could you could make the,
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- The argument that from the administration
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- Standpoint, that this is actually,
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- A good thing to to sort of remove him from that position.
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- But yeah,
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- Now speculation is going to arise
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- About the future of tulsi gabbard.
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- I, i tend to not believe that she's going to resign.
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- I think that she is a patriot who would probably make
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- The opposite choice of joe kent,
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- But, yeah, this is what i mean.
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- Tomorrow's hearings are going to be all about now.
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- Well, i think the house is stuff
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- You have to look towards
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- Is if he's if he's resigning dramatically.
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- I mean,
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- If he just wanted to step out, he could just say,
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- I'm resigning.
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- And i and basically say nothing more.
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- He could resign without a public letter.
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- He could resign with a very brief one.
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- But instead, as you say, it's a longer one
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- That is clearly intended to get attention.
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- He explicitly says why he's quitting.
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- I believe he even says, does he even mention.
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- Yeah, you know, he's talking about an echo chamber.
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- He's talking about
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- He is explicitly blaming israel for it.
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- And all of that.
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- Like this is an attention getting move.
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- And you think of what's next
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- And what i think we might see is
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- I think this is escalating the possibility.
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- We might see some sort of,
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- Let's just say, a third party presidential run in 2028.
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- He might be positioning himself for something like that,
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- Positioning himself for a primary challenge
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- In some sort of congressional or senate race.
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- I'm what i would suspect is
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- This could be a step towards some sort of more aggressively
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- Anti-war coalition that
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- Might break away from the president,
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- Might explicitly break away from maga.
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- And if that's going to take place,
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- I wonder who else might join it.
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- And throwing that out there.
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- I'd love, if e-mail us at freedom at charlie kirk.
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- What do you make of this?
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- Because i know a lot of you
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- Would be joe
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- Kent fans in the past, but does this say,
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- Are you on him or do you think he's in the right?
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- We would love to see what your takes are.
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- We would love to see what your takes are.
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- So president
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- Trump has been asked about joe kent.
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- And his answer was pretty clear.
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- I don't know what the clip number is here, guys.
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- So but he basically says it's a good thing that joe kent
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- Is no longer in the administration
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- When somebody is working with us
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- That says they don't think iran was a threat,
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- We don't want those people.
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- So president trump, defiant in this moment.
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- Blake,
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- Your take on his reaction, kind of what we might have.
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- I mean, i think that i think that's
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- About the least surprising thing ever.
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- And, you know, that's why i brought it up at the start.
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- If your goal is to influence president
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- Trump in one direction or another
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- Because he is a guy who can tilt different ways,
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- There's no substitute for proximity.
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- He's a person who cares who listens.
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- Most of the people who are around him the most.
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- He's the person who,
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- He prioritizes loyalty, people who stay on the team.
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- And so if you're going to make a big stunt of leaving
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- And kind of denouncing the process,
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- Even if his letter is still worded.
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- So it's not blaming the president.
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- You know, it's like these bad advisors
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- Have led the president astray, like
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- The president is going to see what he really meant there.
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- And yeah, now he's he's out.
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- And i guess to the extent you,
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- You know, we care about more pro-peace
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- People influencing the president,
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- That's one less voice down.
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- And he's pretty annoyed at the way he went out.
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- And i think that might affect his attitude going forward.
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- Yeah.
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- I got another, constituent or near constituent.
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- He was never in congress, but,
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- Vernon says i live in joe's district and attended,
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- Half dozen of his town halls during his campaign.
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- I spoke several times with him, and my impression
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- Is that he is genuine and a patriot.
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- Mail-in voting in washington
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- Cheated him twice against the socialists.
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- So as happy to see him get a position
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- In the administration,
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- I feel like he is just against any war and believes
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- We should be helping our own country.
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- Okay, that's fine, roger says.
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- So frustrating.
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- Joe can't tell you republicans is like herding cats.
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- It's very it's very, very true.
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- A lot of you, got a lot of emails about,
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- The muslim
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- Conversation we just had with coach tuberville.
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- Roger says exactly.
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- All good
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- Mohammedans, want to take over all toward the caliphate.
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- Yep. well, a lot of a lot of, a lot of, reaction here.
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- So thanks for sending your emails in.
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- I want to tell you about a story here.
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- That's just i i'm so frustrated about it is small aside,
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- This this illegal immigrant,
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- Israel flores ortiz, 18, turning 19.
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- He's charged with nine counts of assault and battery
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- For allegedly groping multiple girls
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- At a fairfax high school in virginia cut 21
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- Fairfax county leaders allowed him, allowed him
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- To attend high school.
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- And parents say he groped female classmates for months.
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- Prosecutors have now charged him
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- With nine counts of assault and battery.
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- He came to the united states illegally from el salvador
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- In 2024.
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- He enrolled as a junior in high school.
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- Victims say he would creep up behind them in crowded
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- Hallways and grabbed them between their legs.
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- Dhs and ice are asking the nation's
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- Sanctuary leaders to turn him over for deportation.
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- But the new laws under the democrat governor
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- Don't allow that.
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- Israel flores
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- Ortiz is currently being held without bond at the fairfax
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- County adult attention.
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- This detention center, which is operated
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- By the county sheriff's office, according to its website.
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- It does not honor ice administrative detainers.
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- And we can't get rid of this person
- 00:11:08.392 --> 00:11:10.495
- Because the democrats said they were going to be moderates.
- 00:11:10.495 --> 00:11:13.431
- And we're going to put in spanberger and look at her.
- 00:11:13.431 --> 00:11:15.600
- She looks so normal.
- 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:17.401
- And she she wins.
- 00:11:17.401 --> 00:11:19.370
- And now the first thing that they did was
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- Say that we're not going to cooperate with ice and dhs.
- 00:11:21.773 --> 00:11:24.509
- Like, that is the point.
- 00:11:24.509 --> 00:11:25.977
- Like there is no rock bottom to this.
- 00:11:25.977 --> 00:11:28.212
- We have seen this in country after country.
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- We we mentioned the uk.
- 00:11:30.381 --> 00:11:31.616
- The uk is a good harbinger of this.
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- Even though they have a lower immigrant population than us.
- 00:11:33.651 --> 00:11:36.154
- They're more deranged in what they put up with their
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- Which is they had
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- A huge number of muslims
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- From the most backward part of the world come in.
- 00:11:42.693 --> 00:11:44.729
- These muslims were literally targeting young girls
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- Who are native to britain and like gang raping them.
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- And police knew about this
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- And covered it up to make sure that it would continue
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- To happen.
- 00:11:57.241 --> 00:11:58.309
- They continue to cover it up to make sure that it
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- Continues to happen,
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- And they lie about it, and they continue
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- To bring in more and more of them.
- 00:12:03.447 --> 00:12:04.916
- While these guys will, like, gloat on tiktok about how
- 00:12:04.916 --> 00:12:07.652
- Awesome it is that they're taking over the uk
- 00:12:07.652 --> 00:12:10.521
- And so same deal here.
- 00:12:10.521 --> 00:12:11.856
- Like it would be trivial.
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- It would be trivial for the left to accept.
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- Oh actually. yeah.
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- Okay.
- 00:12:19.864 --> 00:12:20.631
- Criminals, you can send them back
- 00:12:20.631 --> 00:12:21.799
- Like we won't let you go into these.
- 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:23.968
- Like they could choose a moderate position.
- 00:12:23.968 --> 00:12:25.603
- They affirmatively refused to do so.
- 00:12:25.603 --> 00:12:27.471
- They want unlimited criminals from the third world
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- To come to america and continue to prey on americans, hurt
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- Americans, rape americans, kill americans
- 00:12:33.911 --> 00:12:35.980
- Because it would be easy to stop that.
- 00:12:35.980 --> 00:12:37.682
- And they do not want it stopped, period.
- 00:12:37.682 --> 00:12:40.952
- Yeah they do.
- 00:12:41.319 --> 00:12:41.986
- They don't want it stopped.
- 00:12:41.986 --> 00:12:43.087
- And then you combine that with the save america act,
- 00:12:43.087 --> 00:12:45.356
- Which they are vehemently coming out against.
- 00:12:45.356 --> 00:12:48.626
- Despite the polling, because again,
- 00:12:48.626 --> 00:12:52.196
- They their whole system requires them to import more
- 00:12:52.196 --> 00:12:57.401
- And more foreign born voters, get them on the rolls,
- 00:12:57.401 --> 00:13:01.405
- Get them taking your welfare so they never leave.
- 00:13:01.405 --> 00:13:04.942
- And then not allowing ice to deport the illegals,
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- Even the criminals.
- 00:13:07.645 --> 00:13:09.146
- So so this is a good point, blake.
- 00:13:09.146 --> 00:13:11.716
- You know, we have this conversation
- 00:13:11.716 --> 00:13:13.050
- About the worst first and the criminal thugs.
- 00:13:13.050 --> 00:13:15.753
- That's who we're focusing on versus
- 00:13:15.753 --> 00:13:17.555
- We're getting all of them out.
- 00:13:17.555 --> 00:13:19.223
- This is what happens when you when you give them an inch,
- 00:13:19.223 --> 00:13:21.993
- They will take a mile.
- 00:13:21.993 --> 00:13:23.094
- If you just say, we're going to get the worst first,
- 00:13:23.094 --> 00:13:25.363
- They won't even honor that.
- 00:13:25.363 --> 00:13:30.006
- They won't even honor that.
- 00:13:30.006 --> 00:13:35.307
- All right i want to welcome to the show now winton hall.
- 00:13:36.441 --> 00:13:39.344
- He's the author of a new book, code red, about i.
- 00:13:39.344 --> 00:13:42.581
- It's, i'm if you haven't heard about it yet.
- 00:13:42.581 --> 00:13:45.183
- He's.
- 00:13:45.183 --> 00:13:46.151
- The stories from this book are going viral.
- 00:13:46.151 --> 00:13:48.287
- His interviews are going viral.
- 00:13:48.287 --> 00:13:50.522
- It's interesting as well, because winton is a former
- 00:13:50.522 --> 00:13:53.592
- Ghostwriter and he's a social media
- 00:13:53.592 --> 00:13:55.160
- Director at breitbart, and it's like him and joshua
- 00:13:55.160 --> 00:13:57.429
- Lisak are like the revenge of the ghost writers.
- 00:13:57.429 --> 00:13:59.932
- The guys that beat the brains behind
- 00:13:59.932 --> 00:14:01.466
- These books are now coming out with their own books,
- 00:14:01.466 --> 00:14:03.802
- And they're, of course, doing extraordinarily well.
- 00:14:03.802 --> 00:14:05.737
- So welcome to the show, winton hall.
- 00:14:05.737 --> 00:14:07.673
- It's an honor to have you.
- 00:14:07.673 --> 00:14:09.207
- Oh, it's great honor to be here.
- 00:14:09.207 --> 00:14:10.909
- Thank you so much.
- 00:14:10.909 --> 00:14:12.144
- Yeah. longtime breitbart,
- 00:14:12.144 --> 00:14:14.746
- Behind the scenes guy.
- 00:14:15.213 --> 00:14:16.448
- And now you're kind of emerging.
- 00:14:16.448 --> 00:14:18.183
- Why did you start with code red?
- 00:14:18.183 --> 00:14:20.485
- This i, a story.
- 00:14:20.485 --> 00:14:22.921
- The left, the right.
- 00:14:22.921 --> 00:14:23.789
- China and the race to control i.
- 00:14:23.789 --> 00:14:26.458
- Yeah, it's a great question.
- 00:14:26.458 --> 00:14:27.659
- You know, i i've enjoyed, a long career
- 00:14:27.659 --> 00:14:30.095
- In writing many, many, many books.
- 00:14:30.095 --> 00:14:31.897
- And this one,
- 00:14:31.897 --> 00:14:33.465
- I felt like
- 00:14:33.465 --> 00:14:34.299
- I needed to come out of the shadows
- 00:14:34.299 --> 00:14:35.500
- Because we don't have a lot of time, and particularly
- 00:14:35.500 --> 00:14:38.470
- For conservatives, to get ready for the five d
- 00:14:38.470 --> 00:14:41.239
- Political chess game that's about to emerge.
- 00:14:41.239 --> 00:14:43.508
- With this, i acceleration.
- 00:14:43.508 --> 00:14:45.544
- I think president trump
- 00:14:45.544 --> 00:14:46.678
- And vice president vance are doing an exceptional job
- 00:14:46.678 --> 00:14:49.348
- At the national level with their leadership.
- 00:14:49.348 --> 00:14:51.416
- But i think at the grassroots, we have to understand that
- 00:14:51.416 --> 00:14:54.486
- Ai is not just a tool, it is political power,
- 00:14:54.486 --> 00:14:57.756
- And that power is going to decide
- 00:14:57.756 --> 00:14:59.591
- Whether we indoctrinate or educate our kids.
- 00:14:59.591 --> 00:15:02.594
- It's going to affect how we erase or create jobs.
- 00:15:02.594 --> 00:15:05.497
- And obviously right now we're seeing it in
- 00:15:05.497 --> 00:15:07.933
- Is, in the, iran and venezuela,
- 00:15:07.933 --> 00:15:12.037
- Conflagrations.
- 00:15:12.404 --> 00:15:13.505
- The way it's ai warfare is affecting the battlefield.
- 00:15:13.505 --> 00:15:16.174
- So we've got to be ready.
- 00:15:16.174 --> 00:15:17.776
- And i just don't think we are, you know, elon musk says
- 00:15:17.776 --> 00:15:21.580
- A supersonic tsunami is what ai is heading out.
- 00:15:21.580 --> 00:15:25.050
- Humanity. we've seen dari.
- 00:15:25.050 --> 00:15:26.785
- They just recently say that we got 12 months to five years
- 00:15:26.785 --> 00:15:29.855
- Until half of white collar entry level jobs are wiped out.
- 00:15:29.855 --> 00:15:33.025
- And we're hearing, microsoft, ai ceo mustafa
- 00:15:33.025 --> 00:15:36.428
- Suleiman say 18 to to 12 months.
- 00:15:36.428 --> 00:15:40.298
- So if you thought there was a tsunami offshore
- 00:15:40.298 --> 00:15:43.235
- And you saw it from the beach and you said, i only have,
- 00:15:43.235 --> 00:15:45.871
- You know, this limited amount of time,
- 00:15:45.871 --> 00:15:47.172
- You do everything you can to try to get people
- 00:15:47.172 --> 00:15:49.474
- As prepared as possible.
- 00:15:49.474 --> 00:15:50.675
- And that's really why, i took on code red with this one.
- 00:15:50.675 --> 00:15:53.779
- The biggest question, right now is, is i basically
- 00:15:53.779 --> 00:15:57.249
- Going to be woke?
- 00:15:57.249 --> 00:15:58.350
- Is i going to have left wing assumptions baked into it
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- Or not?
- 00:16:02.854 --> 00:16:04.089
- And we saw a flare up of that with the fight over anthropic,
- 00:16:04.089 --> 00:16:07.259
- Which a lot of people in dc were paying attention to.
- 00:16:07.259 --> 00:16:09.761
- I don't know how much that penetrated the normal,
- 00:16:09.761 --> 00:16:12.531
- The normie sphere, as it were, but can you explore that?
- 00:16:12.531 --> 00:16:15.267
- Can you can you break down how important that really is?
- 00:16:15.267 --> 00:16:18.203
- Oh, it's such a brilliant and important question.
- 00:16:18.203 --> 00:16:20.038
- So, you have to understand that the anthropic folks
- 00:16:20.038 --> 00:16:23.608
- Are very deeply politically involved.
- 00:16:23.608 --> 00:16:26.178
- First of all, their donations since two, 20,
- 00:16:26.178 --> 00:16:28.847
- 20, $200 million to democratic causes.
- 00:16:28.847 --> 00:16:33.051
- Okay.
- 00:16:33.051 --> 00:16:34.286
- So this is a highly, highly ideologically, engaged group.
- 00:16:34.286 --> 00:16:38.523
- The second thing is that when you look at the bias point
- 00:16:38.523 --> 00:16:41.960
- That you brought out,
- 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:43.028
- The very first chapter of code red is on the hidden
- 00:16:43.028 --> 00:16:45.730
- Persuasion of ai.
- 00:16:45.730 --> 00:16:47.432
- And right now, literally five minutes or so before i got
- 00:16:47.432 --> 00:16:51.236
- On, we just put it up on breitbart's lead story,
- 00:16:51.236 --> 00:16:54.172
- And it's breaking from code red, which is that google
- 00:16:54.172 --> 00:16:58.043
- Gemini has smeared seven gop senators
- 00:16:58.043 --> 00:17:02.147
- And vice president
- 00:17:02.147 --> 00:17:03.248
- Vance and secretary rubio as in violation of their,
- 00:17:03.248 --> 00:17:06.918
- Quote, hate speech policies and yet zero democrats.
- 00:17:06.918 --> 00:17:11.323
- Now, that's their google gemini ai.
- 00:17:11.323 --> 00:17:14.893
- And so what i did in the a lot of the,
- 00:17:14.893 --> 00:17:17.229
- You know, i spent two years investigating this book,
- 00:17:17.229 --> 00:17:19.898
- But even just recently looking at it,
- 00:17:19.898 --> 00:17:21.867
- This is no question, peer reviewed academic
- 00:17:21.867 --> 00:17:24.603
- Journal literature has concluded
- 00:17:24.603 --> 00:17:26.738
- Numerous times that leading lms, that is,
- 00:17:26.738 --> 00:17:29.674
- Large language models
- 00:17:29.674 --> 00:17:30.909
- Are overwhelmingly biased toward a leftward direction.
- 00:17:30.909 --> 00:17:33.612
- The minute
- 00:17:33.612 --> 00:17:34.779
- That democrats get into power, if and when that happens,
- 00:17:34.779 --> 00:17:37.749
- The big tech elite
- 00:17:37.749 --> 00:17:39.184
- Are going to default to their skin and being sensor
- 00:17:39.184 --> 00:17:42.120
- Ship, you know, blacklist and demonetized, instincts
- 00:17:42.120 --> 00:17:45.957
- That we saw under the biden years.
- 00:17:45.957 --> 00:17:47.759
- So this is that's why i call it a code
- 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:49.861
- Red moment to two reasons.
- 00:17:49.861 --> 00:17:51.396
- One, an alert, an alarm,
- 00:17:51.396 --> 00:17:53.398
- And two,
- 00:17:53.398 --> 00:17:54.432
- That our side of the ball, the conservative side,
- 00:17:54.432 --> 00:17:56.067
- The red team politically has to have a code.
- 00:17:56.067 --> 00:17:58.436
- We have to have a set of principles.
- 00:17:58.436 --> 00:17:59.671
- We have to have a set of solutions.
- 00:17:59.671 --> 00:18:01.406
- And that's why i really try to
- 00:18:01.406 --> 00:18:02.507
- Not just write a dumber screed,
- 00:18:02.507 --> 00:18:04.142
- But really lay out, what we can do
- 00:18:04.142 --> 00:18:06.178
- On a personal level as well as the politics.
- 00:18:06.178 --> 00:18:09.781
- Yeah, that's all remarkable.
- 00:18:10.382 --> 00:18:11.917
- And i'm thinking,
- 00:18:11.917 --> 00:18:14.686
- There's a writer, there's a blogger on substack
- 00:18:14.686 --> 00:18:17.189
- Who has a series of post
- 00:18:17.189 --> 00:18:18.390
- That i'm sure you're familiar with, arc de aetherium.
- 00:18:18.390 --> 00:18:20.425
- And he had a whole breakdown where
- 00:18:20.425 --> 00:18:21.826
- He's asking each of the eyes.
- 00:18:21.826 --> 00:18:23.995
- He's giving them, a bunch of resumes
- 00:18:23.995 --> 00:18:26.364
- And then asking these guys, who would you hire?
- 00:18:26.364 --> 00:18:28.633
- And without telling them to do this,
- 00:18:28.633 --> 00:18:30.302
- Without instructing them to do this,
- 00:18:30.302 --> 00:18:31.736
- The a's are naturally for example,
- 00:18:31.736 --> 00:18:34.005
- Engaging in racial discrimination.
- 00:18:34.005 --> 00:18:35.907
- Like they'll discriminate against white america,
- 00:18:35.907 --> 00:18:38.577
- Against white people, or against men,
- 00:18:38.577 --> 00:18:40.278
- Against straight people,
- 00:18:40.278 --> 00:18:41.446
- Because that is just what's going into the
- 00:18:41.446 --> 00:18:44.382
- The pot on these ais is all of the discrimination,
- 00:18:44.382 --> 00:18:47.919
- All the woke stuff we've had
- 00:18:47.919 --> 00:18:49.487
- And people don't even know about this.
- 00:18:49.487 --> 00:18:50.555
- And if you're just asking an
- 00:18:50.555 --> 00:18:51.823
- Ai to do this for you, if you say,
- 00:18:51.823 --> 00:18:53.358
- Oh, i, hire 50 engineers for me, it's going to do that.
- 00:18:53.358 --> 00:18:56.828
- Even if you are, you might not even be thinking about it.
- 00:18:56.828 --> 00:18:59.698
- That is exactly right.
- 00:19:00.165 --> 00:19:01.666
- And the bias is baked in, as you rightly point out.
- 00:19:01.666 --> 00:19:04.536
- And, the the corpus of most modern llm
- 00:19:04.536 --> 00:19:08.640
- Enterprise level, chat bots, i or you're talking about
- 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:12.177
- A couple of bases
- 00:19:12.177 --> 00:19:13.345
- Of information, one wikipedia, which we know is far left,
- 00:19:13.345 --> 00:19:16.548
- And is constantly, smearing conservatives
- 00:19:16.548 --> 00:19:19.517
- And then locking their pages
- 00:19:19.517 --> 00:19:20.885
- So that they're not allowed to edit, and correct them.
- 00:19:20.885 --> 00:19:23.722
- Number two is reddit, which leans left.
- 00:19:23.722 --> 00:19:26.057
- The three is peer
- 00:19:26.057 --> 00:19:27.259
- Reviewed academia,
- 00:19:27.259 --> 00:19:28.393
- Which obviously we know about university bias and,
- 00:19:28.393 --> 00:19:31.196
- And the problems we have in education.
- 00:19:31.196 --> 00:19:33.198
- Obviously, charlie fought against
- 00:19:33.198 --> 00:19:34.633
- That better than anybody.
- 00:19:34.633 --> 00:19:36.801
- And the other thing, of course, is
- 00:19:36.801 --> 00:19:38.303
- Something called the common crawl, which is the,
- 00:19:38.303 --> 00:19:41.273
- Open, open internet, huge data set there.
- 00:19:41.273 --> 00:19:44.909
- The final thing, though, is that they have these very
- 00:19:44.909 --> 00:19:47.712
- Lucrative deals with left of center publishers.
- 00:19:47.712 --> 00:19:50.815
- There are only a few people that are in the center
- 00:19:50.815 --> 00:19:53.485
- That have these kind of deals. and think about this.
- 00:19:53.485 --> 00:19:55.787
- If i gave you $50 million to buy the archives
- 00:19:55.787 --> 00:19:59.758
- Of, let's say, the new york times
- 00:19:59.758 --> 00:20:01.426
- Or the la times or time magazine
- 00:20:01.426 --> 00:20:04.329
- Or the nation or the atlantic, that does two things right.
- 00:20:04.329 --> 00:20:07.899
- One, it's a subsidy to a left leaning outlet
- 00:20:07.899 --> 00:20:11.036
- To be able to stay in business and make payroll.
- 00:20:11.036 --> 00:20:14.072
- But the other thing it does is it bakes in all those years
- 00:20:14.072 --> 00:20:18.176
- And years and years of biased, left
- 00:20:18.176 --> 00:20:19.744
- Leaning reporting by those organizations
- 00:20:19.744 --> 00:20:22.347
- Into the training data.
- 00:20:22.347 --> 00:20:24.149
- So it's garbage in, garbage out.
- 00:20:24.149 --> 00:20:25.850
- And that feedback loop that's self-reinforcing feedback loop,
- 00:20:25.850 --> 00:20:29.621
- Becomes very, very toxic
- 00:20:29.621 --> 00:20:31.423
- For just getting straight factual information.
- 00:20:31.423 --> 00:20:34.292
- And so one of the things i do in code write
- 00:20:34.292 --> 00:20:36.394
- Is i literally lay out all the contracts.
- 00:20:36.394 --> 00:20:38.396
- Here's the money flow, just old scale,
- 00:20:38.396 --> 00:20:40.465
- You know, follow the money kind of journalism and let
- 00:20:40.465 --> 00:20:42.967
- People just know, the kind of bias
- 00:20:42.967 --> 00:20:46.404
- And how big of money, is flowing
- 00:20:46.404 --> 00:20:49.240
- Between these companies and the far left, builders.
- 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:53.645
- So you having analyzed it, what do you think the
- 00:20:53.645 --> 00:20:57.082
- Right posture of conservatives should be towards?
- 00:20:57.082 --> 00:21:00.085
- I like it feels to me like it's probably a doomed venture
- 00:21:00.085 --> 00:21:04.522
- To just say, oh, let's push back on the development of it.
- 00:21:04.522 --> 00:21:07.225
- It seems more important that we need
- 00:21:07.225 --> 00:21:08.960
- To control and influence and make sure it does not go
- 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:11.763
- In that disastrous direction.
- 00:21:11.763 --> 00:21:13.298
- And so you've got about
- 00:21:13.298 --> 00:21:14.899
- A minute and a half if you can answer that.
- 00:21:14.899 --> 00:21:16.267
- And like what?
- 00:21:16.267 --> 00:21:16.935
- What should the administration
- 00:21:16.935 --> 00:21:17.936
- Be doing to bring ai to heal, so to speak?
- 00:21:17.936 --> 00:21:21.706
- That's one of the more positive recent
- 00:21:21.706 --> 00:21:23.875
- Developments, president trump and vice versa.
- 00:21:23.875 --> 00:21:26.144
- Vance did an amazing job with their rate payer
- 00:21:26.144 --> 00:21:29.013
- Protection, pledge,
- 00:21:29.013 --> 00:21:30.715
- Which what they did was they sat down with the heads
- 00:21:30.715 --> 00:21:32.951
- Of all of these large, ai and tech,
- 00:21:32.951 --> 00:21:36.454
- Builders and hyperscalers, and they said, look,
- 00:21:36.454 --> 00:21:39.257
- We do not want working class communities
- 00:21:39.257 --> 00:21:41.926
- To have to foot the bill for higher energy prices
- 00:21:41.926 --> 00:21:45.130
- In the form of their electric bills, their water bills.
- 00:21:45.130 --> 00:21:47.966
- Just because you want to build, some giant data center
- 00:21:47.966 --> 00:21:50.935
- In their backyard.
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- That's exactly the right posture.
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- And not only will this pledge that president trump,
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- Brokered, not only will it make those
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- Big tech behemoths pay for, upgrading those,
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- Infrastructure pieces and the electric, overflows,
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- It will actually
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- Potentially lower the cost of local communities.
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- Water bills and electric bills,
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- Because they're going to do a lot of
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- Modernization of their, rickety, grids.
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- And so
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- I think that's the kind of proactive,
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- Leadership we need, which is exactly what you said,
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- Which is, look, ai is a reality.
- 00:22:24.702 --> 00:22:26.905
- 99% of us use it, even though 64% of us don't even realize
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- Sometimes when we're using it, because
- 00:22:30.508 --> 00:22:32.243
- It's baked into our weather apps and other devices.
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- But i think if we can get ahead of those landmines
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- And avert them,
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- We're going to be able
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- To hopefully navigate our way through one of the biggest
- 00:22:40.585 --> 00:22:43.221
- And most disruptive, fast moving
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- Technological innovations we've ever encountered.
- 00:22:45.056 --> 00:22:47.992
- Winston hall, author of the new book code
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- Red, a really important offering.
- 00:22:50.295 --> 00:22:53.064
- I you've, i mean, listen, we've talked
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- About ai on the show for years now, and i think this is
- 00:22:55.233 --> 00:22:58.937
- You've given one of the most concise
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- And compelling presentations of this.
- 00:23:00.705 --> 00:23:03.408
- Everybody check out code red, winton hall with our friends
- 00:23:03.408 --> 00:23:06.377
- Over at breitbart doing great work.
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- Congratulations.
- 00:23:07.946 --> 00:23:09.047
- And, you know, future proofing is
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- Now going to be in my lexicon, so thank you, sir.
- 00:23:12.684 --> 00:23:15.386
- Well, thank you and thank you for what you do,
- 00:23:15.386 --> 00:23:17.856
- And for what you do to keep charlie's legacy alive.
- 00:23:17.856 --> 00:23:20.758
- We're so grateful for it. thank you.
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- Winton. god bless you, man. we'll talk to you soon.
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