Allen Jackson: A Charlie Kirk Tribute | Allen Jackson Now

September 11, 2025 | S E | 55:52

Pastor Allen Jackson and many guests who knew him well pay tribute to the extraordinary life of Charlie Kirk.

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A Charlie Kirk Tribute | Allen Jackson: A Charlie Kirk Tribute | Allen Jackson Now | September 11, 2025

Good evening and welcome to nashville.
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I'm alan jackson.
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Our country has lost a brave young hero.
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When charlie kirk was shot
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And killed yesterday, he was only 31 years old.
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He and his wife, erica, have a three year
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Old daughter and a one year old son.
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They kept their names and faces private.
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We understand
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That it's their own peace of mind
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And for the safety of their children.
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You know, in charlie's very short life,
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He broadcast enough wisdom to last a lifetime.
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More than one person called this a political assassination.
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It's definitely a dark moment for our country.
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Many of you may be turning into this program
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For the first time.
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As you know, this was charlie's time slot in the schedule.
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Our hearts are heavy with his passing into eternity.
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But i want to honor the fact
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That while he lived, charlie courageously
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Stepped into the arena and fought the good fight.
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He stood up for biblical values
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In the face of fierce opposition.
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Charlie had the courage to tell the truth.
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And i feel confident
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That of what seems like a completely senseless tragedy.
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God will bring life.
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That doesn't mean it's easy or comfortable today.
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You know, president trump had this to say.
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To my great fellow americans, i am filled with grief and anger
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At the heinous assassination of charlie kirk
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On a college campus in utah.
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Charlie inspired millions, and tonight, all who knew him
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And loved him are united in shock and horror.
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Charlie was a patriot
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Who devoted his life to the cause of open debate
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And the country that he loved so much,
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The united states of america.
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He fought for liberty, democracy, justice,
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And the american people.
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He's a martyr for truth and freedom,
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And there's never been anyone who was so respected by youth.
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Charlie was also a
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Man of deep, deep faith, and we take comfort
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In the knowledge that he is now at peace with god in heaven.
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You know, as we know, the president was just
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One millimeter away from the same outcome.
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And much like the president.
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Charlie did something that very few
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People of influence do these days.
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He spoke
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With, debated with, and listened to all sides of the issues.
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That was his way of trying to make this a better country.
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Which is the right way, of course.
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Well, authorities are still looking
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For whoever was behind this targeted attack.
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We'll get to that in a moment.
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But we begin with someone who knew charlie very well.
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Ambassador mike huckabee, who joins us from israel.
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Welcome, sir.
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Alan, it
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Is an honor to be with you, and i'm delighted to be here.
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But i must tell you that this occasion,
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Which we're talking about tonight,
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The death of charlie kirk, is not the way i'd like to
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To spend our time together.
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But it's it's an important thing to let people know
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Who charlie was and the impact that he had
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On so many millions of americans.
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Well, ambassador, you've seen your share
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Of political assassinations and hatred across the years.
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President kennedy and his brother, robert
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F kennedy, martin luther king, september the 11th,
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Which is today, of all things, the hamas attack in israel,
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Where you're now serving.
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Maybe we start by you giving us your perspective
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On this sudden loss.
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And about the charlie kirk that you knew.
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But charlie was
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One of those people that was not combative.
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He was not a confrontational person.
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He was not a shock jock as some people enjoy being.
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He listened intently.
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He loved people.
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He he shared even his deep convictions.
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He did it,
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With definite clarity and conviction.
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But he never did it in a way that put other people down.
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That's one of the things that made him so effective.
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He could go on a college campus
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And he could talk about the hottest issues of the day
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That normally would have people yelling at it.
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He was unabashedly pro-life.
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He was unabashedly a follower of jesus.
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He was a person who believed there were only two genders.
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And he spoke about that.
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He believed very strongly in the state of israel
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And the jewish people.
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His legacy here in israel is very strong.
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I could go through all of these issues.
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Now, those are tough issues to talk to college students about.
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And normally that gets you booed right out of the room.
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But because he did it in such a winsome way
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With intellectual, integrity,
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But with compassion toward the people that disagreed with him.
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He was just the kind of person who was so effective.
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And that's why i find it so just disgusting
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That someone decided to take his life from it.
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This is demonic, allen.
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We're not dealing with just somebody who woke up
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One day and said, i don't like that guy.
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This was inspired right out of the pits of hell
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And this is an action of demonic
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Magnitude that we just, thank god, don't see a lot.
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You know, mr.
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Ambassador, i think you're so correct.
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Charlie wasn't a shock jock,
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And he didn't play gotcha when he was doing
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These discussions with the students.
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You could as you
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If you
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Watched enough of those interviews,
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It seemed that he earned the respect,
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Even of those people who didn't agree with him,
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Even when they're talking about issues
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In which they may have been deeply divided.
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It feels like we need more of those voices, not fewer of them.
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It's not something to react to with with violence.
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It's something to be embraced.
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Now, have we arrived at a place where public discussion
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About issues we don't agree on is no longer tolerated?
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Because we can't accept that, can we?
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We can't because free speech
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Is the very essence of a free people.
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If people can't think for themselves
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And speak for themselves and even have disagreements,
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But do it in a fashion that does not lead to violence
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And and a sense of even separation of people's,
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Very presence, then we lose our freedom.
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We don't have it anymore.
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And that's one of the things charlie was such a champion of,
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Is to be bold and speaking truth to power.
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I first knew charlie when he was still a teenager.
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He was a guest on my show several occasions.
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And then, as you know,
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He took the timeslot that i once had right here on tbn.
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When i was appointed to be ambassador.
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I was with him in phoenix at his, headquarters
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Just a few weeks before i left to come to israel.
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Charlie was a remarkable person.
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Brilliant, articulate.
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Never, ever was he caught off guard.
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He was never the deer in the headlights
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That somehow got stopped.
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And that was one of the amazing things about him.
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But he didn't do it by raising his voice or.
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Or going after people unfairly and belittling them.
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He always did it with a sense of compassion and he spoke,
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Really with the spirit of christ in a way
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That i think i would love to have been better at.
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Charlie was maybe the best i've ever seen it,
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Being able to to carry that out.
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He was.
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I think you're pretty good at it yourself.
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And i never said thank you, but i really appreciate you
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And charlie doing the intro for my program on tv in its
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Very kind of you both,
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You know.
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And you're no stranger to public service.
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You've run for president, you've served
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As the governor of arkansas.
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I know you've had security along the way.
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You're also on the job in israel when iran began
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Its massive attack on israel and you, your wife and your staff.
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I'm sure you spent a lot of nights in bomb shelters.
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What have you done across the years to stay safe,
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Even while your day job
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Is protecting the people that you serve?
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You know, alan, i've always had, this understanding
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That god is the only one who can ultimately protect me.
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Yes, i've had security details as governor, and i have a very
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Intense security presence here in israel as the ambassador.
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But i don't wake up every day and say
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Somebody might be out to get me.
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I wake up every day and say,
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This is the day the lord has made.
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I will rejoice and be glad in it.
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And my life is in his hands.
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I don't think about the things that could happen because i got
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A pretty full schedule.
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I just believe that,
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And especially while i'm here in jerusalem, i tell my friends
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Because they say, are you worried? are you afraid?
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And i say, no,
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Because if the worst thing that could happen to being
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Should happen to be here, at least my next move
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From jerusalem, it'll be a local move.
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So i try to just deal with it
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With a sense of humor and recognize that
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I can't stop people
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From hating me, or even people that may want to
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Do some harm to me.
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But what i can do is be faithful,
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Be faithful in every day and live my life
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So that if it is the last day, i hope that the first words
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I hear in heaven are well done, good and faithful servant.
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And if i hear that life's been good,
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And i guarantee you, charlie kirk,
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I believe after that bullet went through him,
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The next voice he heard was that of the lord.
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Well done, good and faithful servant.
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Amen.
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Well, i know you're in jerusalem these days.
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I had the privilege of living there for a season.
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I learned something from the israelis while i was there.
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And, you know,
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They live in a tough neighborhood,
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And violence is kind of a part of their lives.
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Their response isn't to hide.
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They live through it. they still go to the restaurants.
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They ride the public busses.
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They refuse
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To give up the routine of their lives
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And enjoying life together as families.
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I feel like that's
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An important lesson for us in america these days.
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We can't hide from those who would try to bully us.
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We've got to push forward with our lives.
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Does that seem like wise counsel?
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It's absolutely the only counsel.
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And i marvel at the resilience of israelis.
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You're right.
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They go to the shelter,
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And when the alarm is over, they get back up and they go
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Right back to what they were doing.
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They refuse to let the challenges of life
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Cause them to curl up in a fetal position
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And hide from the world and hide from their lives.
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And that's what i feel like that as believers.
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It's how god wants us to live.
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We can't
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Change what people are going to try to do to us,
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But what we can do is make sure that our reaction is one of,
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Courage, one of faith, and one of resilience that says,
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You just can't make me quit.
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And that's what i so admire.
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And i see it every single day in the people here in israel.
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It's a great testament to their understanding
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That god has put them in this land.
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He has chosen them as his people,
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And he has given them a purpose.
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And i believe that as christian believers,
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We do well to learn some things from that
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And never act like, oh,
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I don't want to say that because somebody
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Might not like me over it.
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We're going to say some things
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As christians will take positions and stands.
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People aren't going to always like it,
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But i want god to like me more than i want.
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The editorial board of the new york times to like me.
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Amen.
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I think our best response to the coward that shot charlie kirk
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And the people who
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Are cheering on his actions is for us to live on.
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To show up at our church,
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Is to show up at our families and with our friends.
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I want to change subjects just slightly.
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It's 911 today.
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The country is still reeling from the murder
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Of that young woman from ukraine,
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Who was stabbed to death in north carolina.
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There was a couple in new york
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Who let another monster into their home
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When he pretended to need to charge his cell phone,
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Only to be burned to death in their home.
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You know, with no border.
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The last few years, we've have gang
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Members and terrorist wandering our country.
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The moment crime has superseded the economy is
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The number one issue.
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What do you think
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Should be done to make things better as we go forward?
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I just came from a 9/11 memorial event here in jerusalem.
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Interestingly, the only place other than new york
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Where all 2977 names are on a monument are in jerusalem,
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New york and jerusalem, the only place in the world.
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And i found the name of a young lady from arkansas
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Who was a flight attendant on the flight out of boston,
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An american airlines flight who was not even supposed
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To be on the flight that day.
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But she filled in for a friend and she lost her life that day.
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My wife and i went and found her name.
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We put a rose on, on the memorial there.
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What is your reminder of?
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Is that america showed a level
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Of its own resilience after nine over 11.
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We we refuse to let that define us.
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It shook us and it shocked us.
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But what we have to continue to do is to realize
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That the terrorist who came and he did what they did,
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They set us back.
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But they didn't completely destroy us.
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And they knocked us down.
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But they did not knock us out.
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And as christians and as americans,
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We've got to really put a focus
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On consequences, people who do evil things.
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I think president trump has been, exactly on message
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When it comes to, first of all, saying,
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If you come to this country illegally
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And you're
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Going to try to tell us that we don't have a decent country,
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We're going to send you home.
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And if you're going to commit a crime,
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You're going to pay the consequences
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For committing that crime.
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We're not going to look the other way
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And let you back out on the streets,
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Which has been happening now for years.
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That's got to stop, and it needs to stop now.
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One last question.
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You should be happy
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You're not here to listen to the legacy media right now
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On the nbc cable channel.
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They had a guest yesterday.
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The political analyst matthew dowd, to be specific.
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He's been dismissed since, but still,
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He actually suggested there was a charlie kirk
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Supporter who may have shot him and that he deserved it.
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It's sick.
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And they're the same people
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Who ignored the murder of the young woman from ukraine.
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How do we respond to a media that's that out of balance?
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I think we just simply write them off.
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We don't listen to them.
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We don't give them the respect of,
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Participating in anything they say.
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And we. yet we call them out.
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We've got to confront that.
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We have to let them know that what they did is is vile
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And that it's inappropriate, that it's inhumane.
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And we need to let their
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Employers know their networks know their editor's note
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That it's an inexcusable and reckless form
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Of advocacy journalism
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That is demeaning to every human being who just cares about,
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Human life and cares about what's right and what's wrong.
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And i say, send them back to the sandbox.
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They clearly didn't learn those lessons
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When they were four years old,
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And they're probably
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Not qualified to be on television or in print,
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Telling the rest of us how to think.
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Well, ambassador huckabee,
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You have always been a courageous voice
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For truth, and i thank you for that.
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Thank you for taking the time to be with us today.
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Alan, it's my pleasure.
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God bless you and the people who are a part of your audience
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Every day.
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Pray for the peace of jerusalem. amen.
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Thank you sir.
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Whoever shot charlie kirk is still on the loose.
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Perhaps there are others who were involved too.
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But so far, no one's been arrested.
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They have identified the weapon they believe was used.
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And they have some photographs of a person of interest.
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Well, joining us now is an expert on security issues,
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From his work as homeland security
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Advisor and deputy secretary
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For public safety for new york state, michael balboni.
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Michael, thank you for joining us tonight.
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Good to be here.
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Let me begin by saying that i believe no amount of security
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Will ever be able to stop evil
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That exist in some of what's going on right now.
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But that said,
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What can you tell us about this assassination investigation
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And specifically the search for whoever did it?
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So when you have an event like this,
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The key is to obviously secure the scene.
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And that's the first step for law enforcement to make.
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Says no additional threats.
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And so that involves,
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You know, obviously
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Scanning the crowd, moving within the crowd,
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But also trying to lock down the crowd
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Because what you don't want to have is somebody.
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Escaping if you can't.
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But so the first thing is secure the scene.
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Second thing is to try to define the universe
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And the area in which the crowd was operating it.
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In other words, it's in this amphitheater.
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How many people? 3000 people, obviously.
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Yes, what i've heard.
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So where are they going to go afterwards?
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And can you put eyes on them?
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Can you try to find someone with perhaps a weapon on them?
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Here, of course. the weather. now.
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And after a period of time, we can determine
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That this was a long gun.
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And it was done from a position of height that the.
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You know, the key
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Factor that security
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Personnel always look at and they looked at.
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We heard a lot about this in butler, pennsylvania.
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Attempted assassination
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Of president trump, his line of sight.
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You got to have a clean line of sight.
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Direct line of sight to the protectee.
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Here are the estimates of that.
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It's about 200m away from the protectee.
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And this individual fired one shot.
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There's no reports of additional shots.
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If you're going back to pennsylvania,
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There's much more than one shot.
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And so the questions, all sorts of questions
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Are being raised now as to what should be the standard
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Of security for these types of events.
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How do we prevent this from having a future?
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That's number one.
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Number two is so how does this guy.
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Or gal accomplish this?
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Now what?
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Including how did he get on campus?
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Did he bring a weapon with him?
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Was a weapon pre-positioned with.
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Did someone bring him a weapon?
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The fact that he took
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One shot and hit his target and killed it killed the target.
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Charlie kirk.
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Well, that that speaks to a skill set
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That is certainly not, average.
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And then now the fact that the individual has not been caught,
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Even though they have a,
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A load of cameras and they have some images.
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It also speaks to the fact
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That perhaps this guy had a lot of help or was,
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You know, a professional.
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Well, charlie has done similar events
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Thousands of times
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On multiple college campuses and other places.
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You know, this is personal to me.
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Charlie was a friend,
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Do something on a very different scale and scope,
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But i make a half a dozen presentations
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A week and talk about current events
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That aren't always popular.
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There are threats that come with
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Those kind of public positions.
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This seems to be fundamentally about freedom of speech
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And the right to gather peacefully in public.
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We can't all have presidential security details, right?
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How do we walk this back so we can all live with safety?
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First thing i do is look at the calendar.
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Today is 911.
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I was just outside the city that day.
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Lost a bunch of friends, 1 to 26 funerals.
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What?
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What astounded me was that
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That was how the country came together.
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You know, martin luther king's.
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Assassination almost ripped the country apart.
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But we stayed together.
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Jfk united the country.
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We need to unite.
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The the back and forth.
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And no side is innocent.
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The back and forth of take no prisoners politics.
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And i was in politics for a long time.
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It's just got to stop.
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You got a matter of words matter.
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You know, it's one of these things where,
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We as an electorate should demand.
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More from our elected officials,
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Our politicians and our media folks
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To sit there and say. you can't go
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At somebody personally and and make them a pariah.
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That gives somebody the target for their hatred.
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Well, you should know side is innocent, and i agree with that.
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But today, in the midst of this firestorm,
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The people who don't agree with you disagree.
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Those who disagree with charlie's values
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Should not give themselves the license
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To give him some causation for his own death.
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It's inappropriate.
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We've got to be better than that in this nation.
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Michael balboni i thank you for your wisdom,
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Your experience, and your time today.
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My pleasure.
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Thank you and my condolences.
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There are any number of people who call
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Charlie kirk their friend.
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One of them, who knew him quite well, is joining us tonight.
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Brandon tatum, thank you for joining us today.
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Thank you, pastor. thank you for having me.
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Brandon, it's been said that they killed him
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Because they couldn't debate him. what do you think?
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1,000%.
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That's what the. that's what the devil does.
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And that's
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What unhinged people do, is they can't win an argument.
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They don't want to argue.
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They're caught in a in a mind virus
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And they can't receive the truth.
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And so they want to eliminate it.
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And i don't want to make the direct comparison to jesus.
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But we saw this with jesus in part.
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Is that they couldn't debating.
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They couldn't stand that he was standing up
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For truth and using biblical scripture to prove them wrong.
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And he did it with love and compassion
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In the way they wasn't expecting.
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When i would go on campus with charlie
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And do things with charlie,
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What happened was they expected him
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To be crazy and mean and mean spirited,
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And then he get there and he's saying things
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And loving on people and talking about christ.
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And a lot of people change,
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Even though they never said anything.
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And the same thing that happened with jesus.
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So we can see that the evil
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And the parallels that have residual
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How it happened to jesus, and now it happened
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To a good man that love jesus like charlie.
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Well, i think your comparison is appropriate.
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You're not comparing him to jesus.
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You're comparing to a good christ follower.
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We have the character of christ in us,
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And we're willing to discuss
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His truth in the world in which we live.
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That's our assignment, isn't it?
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That's not just charlie's job. that's our job.
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Right?
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Every christian.
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I mean, that's the point of being a christian.
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We should be christ like.
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We should follow jesus christ. that's the point.
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And i believe that all of us should be
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Honored at what charlie had done on campus.
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And in his personal life.
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He was not only a person
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Who would speak the gospel, he lived it.
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A married man, love his wife, loved people,
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Always unashamed to speak up for jesus christ in any venue,
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Whether it's on campus, whether it's in,
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You know, in a foreign country, you name it.
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Charlie would stand up for jesus anytime.
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And that's what every christian should be doing.
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If you have been saved and you have been delivered,
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We should have our entire life
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Dedicated to standing up boldly for christ jesus.
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I know charlie was well aware of his vulnerability.
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He had his own security team.
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Listen to how he spoke of it on his show.
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The escalating violence
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Of the american left.
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It's really something.
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There is a new substack page, and blake flagged this for us.
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So blake is going to help us navigate it
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And it is consistent with what else we're seeing.
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The amount of death threats
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We are getting is increasing dramatically.
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Campus security is overwhelmed when we go to
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Some of these schools are like, man,
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The amount of death threats we're getting,
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It's almost too much for police
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To be able to even arrest all these people.
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There's an econ student at george mason university,
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Has over a thousand subscribers, so he's small,
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But he's not a nobody.
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And he writes in his substack.
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When must we kill them?
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This is a econ student at george mason.
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Do you think he's going to be kicked out of school?
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Bryan, did it
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Ever talk to you about the threats?
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Not specifically. generically.
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We know that people are threatening us all the time,
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And i've seen him
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Say it on his show a few times, and i know that it's a reality.
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I mean, i got attacked on uc davis campus and i'm in.
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Charlie is much more
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Influential on campus than i am, and the crowds are massive.
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So the little bit of pushback that i get,
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He has to be getting ten, 15 times that.
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And it's very sad to hear him say that.
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And then it became a reality for him.
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I just really wish that things could have been different.
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I really wish that the security
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Could have been a little tighter,
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Especially on the perimeter.
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But is it easy to say it in hindsight?
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It's just very unfortunate.
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It makes me angry to think that these cowards will want to take
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His life and brag about it, and then there's nothing
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That's going to be done or had been done
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About these clear threats.
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These people do it all the time.
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They come to the campus and they do it.
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Police don't do anything. they don't get involved.
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They pass it off as i was just somebody talking.
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And now we see that some of these people are so deranged,
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They will seriously make an attempt on your life.
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I know you were a police officer.
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So you've got a background in law enforcement.
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What do we do to walk back
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This violence in this atmosphere we're living in now?
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We have to take it more seriously.
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We got to we have to execute the law.
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The way is written.
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You cannot make threats against other people, material threats
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Or criminal actions,
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And therefore they need to take it seriously.
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Everybody should take it serious.
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The dean of students should take it seriously.
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When a student is on campus and threaten a person
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Based on their freedom of speech or religion, or whatever
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The case may be, that person need
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To be immediately disciplined,
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Immediately kicked off campus, and if there's threats involved,
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They need to be immediately taken to jail.
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It's not. to me, it's not that hard.
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They're playing politics instead of them arresting people.
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They don't want the optics of arresting people.
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They don't want the optics of the conservative,
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You know, being a victim in any way.
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They want to make it
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As if the conservative is the fascist is the racist.
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And so therefore, there's no necessity to protect us
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When it's wrong.
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They got to enforce the law.
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And this is what what pisses me off
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About law enforcement
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Is when i went to uc davis, they pretty much told me,
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Well, we're not going to do anything about it.
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You're going to watch these people come
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And assault individuals at our tent.
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They stole our tent. they damaged material.
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I mean, thank goodness that i can defend myself
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Because there was no weapons there
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That i was able to be okay,
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But they weren't
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Going to protect us even if there was a legitimate threat.
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And that's not what they signed up to do.
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They signed up to protect and serve with their lives.
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And this is the most important thing to serve
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And to protect is the freedom of speech.
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And to see them failing at that is very
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Is very disheartening to me.
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You know, one person said on air that this feels like nine
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Over 11, that it changes everything in some respects.
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I pray that's true, because i think
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What you're describing is absolutely correct.
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We can't step back from our freedom of speech
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Or our right to freedom.
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A peaceful assembly.
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We've got to have that privilege.
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Are we're abandoning
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The generations behind us to authoritarian cruelty.
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So how do we respond to this?
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How do we make the future better?
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That's the way you and i are going to honor charlie.
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We're not going to be quiet.
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Right?
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We just got to go even harder.
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We got to, allow this.
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Or at least allow charlie to not die in vain.
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And i hope that everybody that's listening
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Is that love, charlie. ever listen to charlie?
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Is that you owe it to charlie
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To push harder, to be stronger, to have more courage.
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Many people who are afraid to say anything.
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But they let charlie say it, and they just depended on it.
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Now it's your turn.
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Now it's your time to get out and say something.
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Be the impact that god has called you to be.
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And we gotta that's that's what's going to make it,
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A more enthusiastic movement.
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We have to. memphis has to be bigger.
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Our events have to be stronger.
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Turn a turning point has to come back stronger, bigger, bolder.
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We have to continue to go on campus.
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We can have, you know, our tactical advantages.
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But we got to continue to push forward.
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Because if we do not, which i which i'm
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Not even going to say, we do not.
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If somehow we chose not to do the right thing,
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Then charlie, his life was in vain,
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And every other person pastor that have died for our freedoms,
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Their lives have been in vain and i do not anticipate
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That happening.
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I think we're going to be awakening. i'm going to be.
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I will lead the charge as far as i can lead it,
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Because i'm not putting up with it.
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They're not going to take out our brother charlie
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And think that we're going to back down.
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It just we're going to make it more difficult for them.
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Amen.
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Well, brandon tatum, i assure you,
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There's a group of us that will not stop.
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Thank you for joining us tonight.
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God bless you.
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Thank you.
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In a moment,
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We'll remember some of what
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Charlie felt most strongly about in his own voice.
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I'll be right back.
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I'll be right back.
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Welcome back.
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Charlie kirk never stopped from colleges to tv
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Studios, his podcast and more.
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I recently spoke with charlie and before we go any further,
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I want to play highlights of what he had to say.
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My question has got to do with the ai in the military.
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What do you guys think about,
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President trump and, secretary smith kind of getting rid of it?
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First of all, thank you for your service, sir.
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That's, we really.
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Very much against it.
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I'm against,
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Any sort of dti measurement in corporate life or in schools,
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But especially in the military.
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The military is a place where, to be perfectly honest,
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The military does not exist to accommodate all people.
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The military does not exist to make people feel good.
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It's to be excellent and lethal, and to protect the homeland
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Against threats that want to wish us harm
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And. not only am i against
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I, i'm very much in favor of what secretary hughson, who's
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Doing a phenomenal job, by the way.
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He's just doing a great job of what secretary hagel says,
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Issued yesterday, he said, look,
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Combat is hard. it's difficult.
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People's lives are on the line.
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And if you want to serve in combat,
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If you're a man or a woman, you have to have
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The same physical fitness standards.
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One in particular is that in 2015,
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They said that women in combat,
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You only have to be able to deadlift 210 pounds.
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A man has to be able to deadlift 320 pounds.
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And to put that in perspective, an average soldier
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That is a man with his pack
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And his rock will weigh about 220 230 pounds.
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That means that a female marine or a female individual
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In the u.s.
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Army, if all of a sudden a male marine
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Would have his leg blown off,
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That female
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Would not be strong enough to be able to carry him on.
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Her back will give him
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Necessary medical attention that could save his life.
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That is not a military.
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That is a social experiment,
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And that ends and is ending right now
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Thanks to president trump, if you so.
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And you could always go back to where does this idea originate?
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For example, natural rights, human equality,
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Freedom of speech
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All started by christians and the people that adhere
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To scripture, diversity, equity, inclusion to 80.
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We're all the outgrowth of secular philosophers
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Like derrick bell and kimberly crenshaw and herbert marcuse,
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And michel foucault.
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None of them were believers.
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That is a great test.
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Before we go any further, when an idea is pushed you on
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The culture, ask yourself, are the people who theorized this?
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Who authored it?
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Are they christians and people who believed
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In the authority of scripture, or are they secular?
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That does not mean that seculars cannot have good ideas.
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However, it's a very good beginning and starting
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Point of what is the origination.
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I would go a step further and say that a lot
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Of the impulses of dei
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Is anti scripture, and against our faith.
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What are your thoughts on greek gods?
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Do you think they're fallen angels?
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I know there is only one true god, but how do you think
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As a kid in public school who is taught about all of this
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And many generations have been taught.
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Well, i think the christians have been way too passive
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When they told us to take you know, prayer
00:31:36.982 --> 00:31:38.516
Out of the schools or our faith out of the schools.
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We rather meekly said yes
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When they said
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You could pray at school,
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But only if you pray at the flagpole outside.
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We said, thank you.
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But what we didn't acknowledge is in the schools,
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They're teaching worldviews and religions.
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I've walked through the public schools.
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There's all sorts of, egyptian gods and expressions
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Of their faith that are a part of the magic.
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I'm okay with that, but they need to tell
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How christianity has shaped this nation.
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And finally understand that the early christians were given
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What was conceived to be a very good offer by the romans.
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The early christians were coming,
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They were starting to win converts.
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And the romans said,
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Hey, look, we have this thing called the pantheon, okay?
00:32:18.990 --> 00:32:22.827
Or you could be one of many religions.
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We'll add you, okay.
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We'll have hermes, we'll have ra, we'll have the sun.
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God will have the dirt.
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God will have, you know, the er. god will have.
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We'll put you amongst many.
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You'll be one amongst equals.
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And the early christians, to their credit, said, no,
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There's only one true god.
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We are not going to acknowledge
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All these fake pagan manifestations and the courage
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Of the early church to do that as they faced martyrdom,
00:32:45.283 --> 00:32:49.387
As they faced extreme exile is one of the great acts
00:32:49.387 --> 00:32:54.125
Of courage that to this day led us to the truth of our faith.
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If they would have accepted that deal,
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A lot of the persecution would have stopped.
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A lot of the massacring of christians
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In the early couple hundred years would have ceased.
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But they said, no, we will go through the persecution,
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But we refused.
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Ever say that jesus is on the same level as zeus?
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That is heresy and we will not put up with it.
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So i hope that's helpful.
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You've probably heard me talking about our upcoming culture
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And christianity conference that we're holding here
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.054
At world outreach church next week.
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Charlie was coming here to murfreesboro to be a part of it,
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And i can tell you that he was excited about it
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As he was with all of his appearances.
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It'd be missed, but his voice will be loud
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And clear across the program, i assure you.
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Without joining us about his friendship with charlie,
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Former senator scott brown,
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One of charlie's many influential friends in politics.
00:33:44.409 --> 00:33:47.846
Welcome back. scott.
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Well, it's, it's a sad day.
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I'm numb, quite honestly, alan.
00:33:51.850 --> 00:33:54.119
And, listen, i have been watching
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:57.021
And listening to charlie for, you know, years,
00:33:57.021 --> 00:33:59.958
And i really got to get to know,
00:33:59.958 --> 00:34:03.128
What he was doing and why down at the convention in milwaukee.
00:34:03.128 --> 00:34:06.498
And then, as i'm running for the u.s.
00:34:06.498 --> 00:34:08.600
Senate in new hampshire, i had a chance
00:34:08.600 --> 00:34:10.535
Of a couple of months ago to go in and sit down with him
00:34:10.535 --> 00:34:13.538
For a good 25, 30 minutes, and i was impressed.
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Number one, how charlie was, i was like, oh,
00:34:16.441 --> 00:34:18.576
I didn't realize you that tall, how young he was,
00:34:18.576 --> 00:34:21.012
Because i'm old and,
00:34:21.012 --> 00:34:23.047
How knowledgeable
00:34:23.047 --> 00:34:24.149
And knowledgeable he was on a whole host of issues.
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We just sat down. he's okay. tell me.
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Bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang.
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:29.854
And i said, well, bang, bang bang, right back to you.
00:34:29.854 --> 00:34:32.123
So we had this great back and forth, of, of ideas.
00:34:32.123 --> 00:34:35.426
And he says, well, i don't agree with you
00:34:35.426 --> 00:34:36.494
On that one, but i respect your thoughts.
00:34:36.494 --> 00:34:38.396
And i said, well, i don't agree with you on that,
00:34:38.396 --> 00:34:39.998
And i respect your thoughts.
00:34:39.998 --> 00:34:41.399
And let's let's be like ronald reagan.
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Tip o'neill philosophy battle by day.
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You know, you debate, you know, if vigor and vim
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And you know, and then you go and solve problems.
00:34:49.240 --> 00:34:51.609
Grab a scotch or a beer and you solve problems.
00:34:51.609 --> 00:34:54.012
And that is what he was doing.
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He was going into these liberal bastions of of
00:34:55.580 --> 00:34:58.983
Of colleges and universities or places that didn't like him,
00:34:58.983 --> 00:35:02.387
With massive protests oftentimes.
00:35:02.387 --> 00:35:05.190
And he would actually just have a conversation
00:35:05.190 --> 00:35:06.891
With people, things that i loved about.
00:35:06.891 --> 00:35:08.626
He was a very good listener.
00:35:08.626 --> 00:35:10.762
He was very thoughtful,
00:35:10.762 --> 00:35:12.063
Methodical and respectful in his responses.
00:35:12.063 --> 00:35:15.099
And he triggered them to think, and isn't that what colleges
00:35:15.099 --> 00:35:18.870
And universities are for is to actually think
00:35:18.870 --> 00:35:21.239
And actually debate
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:22.507
And actually come up with conclusions instead of,
00:35:22.507 --> 00:35:24.909
You know, just just, you know, drinking,
00:35:24.909 --> 00:35:26.678
You know, drinking the kool-aid and,
00:35:26.678 --> 00:35:28.580
And not thinking for yourself.
00:35:28.580 --> 00:35:29.914
So he's going to be sorely, sorely missed.
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Absolutely.
00:35:32.984 --> 00:35:34.085
You know, you have something in common with charlie.
00:35:34.085 --> 00:35:36.588
You tend to call it like, you see it.
00:35:36.588 --> 00:35:38.756
You try to deal in truth based on the words
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Of our founding partners, which is a pretty novel idea
00:35:41.192 --> 00:35:44.963
These days.
00:35:44.963 --> 00:35:46.297
You know,
00:35:46.297 --> 00:35:46.698
I want to ask,
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Isn't that the only way to do what you do
00:35:47.632 --> 00:35:49.200
When you're trying to inspire this?
00:35:49.200 --> 00:35:50.535
Rather, sometimes lethargic voter base that we see?
00:35:50.535 --> 00:35:53.838
Well, with me, i mean, i'm running, as you know, for
00:35:54.906 --> 00:35:56.874
For the u.s.
00:35:56.874 --> 00:35:58.076
Senate in new hampshire, and i'm going everywhere tonight.
00:35:58.076 --> 00:36:00.545
I'm going to atkinson, new hampshire,
00:36:00.545 --> 00:36:02.347
Going to meet with some activists,
00:36:02.347 --> 00:36:03.715
Probably 30 or 40 of them.
00:36:03.715 --> 00:36:05.383
You know, the night i went up and met 12, up in,
00:36:05.383 --> 00:36:08.820
Brookline, you know, moving west and north,
00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:11.789
You know, meeting people everywhere.
00:36:11.789 --> 00:36:12.991
So that's a good way to do it
00:36:12.991 --> 00:36:14.225
Is to go to them first of all, you know,
00:36:14.225 --> 00:36:16.561
And then you're not going to please everybody.
00:36:16.561 --> 00:36:18.196
And and i took something that huckabee told me
00:36:18.196 --> 00:36:21.232
And i and i know that he was and he was,
00:36:21.232 --> 00:36:23.635
You know, you just interviewed him
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And he's a great guy, dear friend,
00:36:25.236 --> 00:36:27.405
And he's doing an amazing job.
00:36:27.405 --> 00:36:29.407
You know,
00:36:29.407 --> 00:36:29.807
He said, after
00:36:29.807 --> 00:36:30.642
You have this debate with somebody
00:36:30.642 --> 00:36:31.743
And they give you a, you know, a sour look or, or or
00:36:31.743 --> 00:36:34.312
They don't want to answer you.
00:36:34.312 --> 00:36:35.513
They don't want to shake a hand, just look at him and say,
00:36:35.513 --> 00:36:37.882
So, should i put you down as a maybe, sir?
00:36:37.882 --> 00:36:40.618
And they either really laugh and say,
00:36:40.618 --> 00:36:43.054
Okay, good job, good job, or they just totally freak out
00:36:43.054 --> 00:36:46.324
And they start yelling and calling you,
00:36:46.324 --> 00:36:47.959
You know, fascist and bigot and racist.
00:36:47.959 --> 00:36:50.161
And i like i, i've been in the military 39 years.
00:36:50.161 --> 00:36:53.798
I've raised my hand
00:36:53.798 --> 00:36:54.832
To defend the constitution like so many times.
00:36:54.832 --> 00:36:57.502
Really. is that where we're going here?
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And it's very sad.
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And it's unfortunately it's on the left.
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I mean, the left is is saying, you know, president
00:37:03.374 --> 00:37:07.178
Trump's a threat to democracy. he's a fascist.
00:37:07.178 --> 00:37:09.547
He's a dictator.
00:37:09.547 --> 00:37:10.782
80, 86, 47 they call me that.
00:37:10.782 --> 00:37:13.318
You know, all those things matter.
00:37:13.318 --> 00:37:15.153
It triggers people who don't have a strong moral compass
00:37:15.153 --> 00:37:18.189
And, triggers them to do like you saw in butler,
00:37:18.189 --> 00:37:21.059
Like you saw in florida, and like you saw yesterday,
00:37:21.059 --> 00:37:24.996
People will take those words seriously.
00:37:24.996 --> 00:37:27.398
Words matter.
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And i'm glad that some of our democrat and left
00:37:28.466 --> 00:37:30.735
People on the left to say, yeah, this is unacceptable.
00:37:30.735 --> 00:37:33.037
But they need to do more. they need to say stop.
00:37:33.037 --> 00:37:35.973
They need to stop using that negative
00:37:35.973 --> 00:37:37.809
Rhetoric, inflammatory rhetoric,
00:37:37.809 --> 00:37:39.811
And they just need to do the tip o'neill ronald reagan
00:37:39.811 --> 00:37:42.046
Stuff, just, you know, debate
00:37:42.046 --> 00:37:43.247
And then battle and then grab a beer, talk
00:37:43.247 --> 00:37:45.183
About the red sox, bruins, patriots, celtics,
00:37:45.183 --> 00:37:47.251
Whatever you whatever team you like,
00:37:47.251 --> 00:37:48.786
Your family, friends and continue to live.
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Absolutely.
00:37:53.124 --> 00:37:54.392
You know, ambassador huckabee and charlie shared that ability.
00:37:54.392 --> 00:37:56.794
You mentioned they could have a dialog
00:37:56.794 --> 00:37:59.130
With somebody they disagreed with severely
00:37:59.130 --> 00:38:00.832
And somehow do it in a friendly way that didn't feel combative.
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I think you and i are
00:38:05.069 --> 00:38:06.270
It tends to come out a bit more combative.
00:38:06.270 --> 00:38:07.905
And we have the conversation.
00:38:07.905 --> 00:38:09.774
You know, you mentioned grabbing a beer.
00:38:09.774 --> 00:38:10.875
I'm going to grab a bible.
00:38:10.875 --> 00:38:11.876
But at the end of the day, we need an authority
00:38:11.876 --> 00:38:13.778
Beyond ourselves to build a relationship with.
00:38:13.778 --> 00:38:17.615
It seems we've lost that sense of shared values.
00:38:17.615 --> 00:38:20.585
How do we get back to that?
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By taking something like this and not being sad
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Or scared or fearful, but looking evil in the face
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And looking these tragedies in the face
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And mobilizing as you're doing by honoring him.
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Like tonight, there's a vigil in concord in new hampshire here,
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By honoring him and then learning and growing
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From his experiences.
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I mean, there's no doubt in my mind
00:38:43.341 --> 00:38:44.609
That he had an exceedingly bright future.
00:38:44.609 --> 00:38:46.577
He could have done anything he wanted,
00:38:46.577 --> 00:38:48.413
But he was doing the thing that he loved,
00:38:48.413 --> 00:38:49.947
Which is debating,
00:38:49.947 --> 00:38:51.048
You know, our first amendment, protecting it,
00:38:51.048 --> 00:38:53.284
You know, challenging
00:38:53.284 --> 00:38:54.218
Young people left and right, old and young,
00:38:54.218 --> 00:38:57.155
To come out and step outside their comfort zone and actually,
00:38:57.155 --> 00:38:59.857
You know, start thinking for a change.
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Well,
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Scott brown, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us today.
00:39:04.095 --> 00:39:06.297
Of course.
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God bless you.
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And let's, oh, oh, thank you, charlie.
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And if there's anything
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That his wife and children need, i hope we all step up.
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Thank you. amen.
00:39:13.805 --> 00:39:15.273
Well, in a moment, a beautiful example of charlie
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Kirk in action with a student looking for family advice.
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It's something you want to see.
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I'll be right back.
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I'll be right back.
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At his turning point appearances.
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Charlie kirk got all sorts of questions from the students.
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That's part of what college years are all about, right?
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Some of it was politics, and some was more like therapy.
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Here's an example of charlie in action with a young girl
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Who was trying to figure out how to navigate her
00:39:48.875 --> 00:39:51.010
Parent's troubled relationship.
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Hi. so i'm not technically, i don't go to uti,
00:39:54.647 --> 00:39:57.717
And i'm not the legal age to vote yet.
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And my parents are divorced,
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And both of my parents have separate political views.
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My mom's conservative and my dad's a liberal.
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And my mom is always kind of pushing me
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To bring politics into my life. and i was wondering,
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Should i care and if i should, why?
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And which parent should i lean more towards?
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So do you say mom's liberal? mom's conservative?
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Oh, wow. okay, that's that's opposite.
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I would have thought.
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Okay, so i see you have a shirt here that says who?
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Whom shall i send? here i am, right? yes.
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Which i love.
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That is the hebrew word harmony,
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Which appears many times throughout the scriptures.
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When abraham, the binding of isaac.
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Moses at the burning bush,
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The call of isaiah, the call of samuel,
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Every believer here in the audience.
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By the way, the most important thing
00:40:39.726 --> 00:40:40.927
Is to bring jesus into your life.
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Let me just make sure i say the most important thing.
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It's way more important than politics.
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It's the most important thing.
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Amen.
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And so i encourage
00:40:52.105 --> 00:40:53.373
Every believer out here to learn what that word harmony means.
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It means, lord, use me, send me.
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And i could tell you're
00:40:58.845 --> 00:40:59.746
Probably going through a trial right now
00:40:59.746 --> 00:41:01.047
Because your parents are separate and it's not easy.
00:41:01.047 --> 00:41:04.384
So the scriptures are very clear about this.
00:41:04.384 --> 00:41:06.920
Christianity has a heavy emphasis on honoring
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Your parents.
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Now, to contrast that with the prior questioner,
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I don't think
00:41:14.027 --> 00:41:14.994
She's doing a good job of honoring her parents
00:41:14.994 --> 00:41:16.763
Because she's accusing them of being in a cult.
00:41:16.763 --> 00:41:18.698
Yeah. even this is very important.
00:41:18.698 --> 00:41:20.934
Everybody,
00:41:20.934 --> 00:41:22.135
Even if your parents share values and views and a worldview
00:41:22.135 --> 00:41:24.837
That you do not have, you are biblically obligated
00:41:24.837 --> 00:41:28.007
To honor them,
00:41:28.007 --> 00:41:28.875
Which means to spend time with them
00:41:28.875 --> 00:41:30.476
And to love on them and to go visit them
00:41:30.476 --> 00:41:33.046
Even if they are wearing a black lives matter.
00:41:33.046 --> 00:41:36.115
And in this home that we have no hate and trans lives,
00:41:36.115 --> 00:41:38.985
You still go and spend time with your parents.
00:41:38.985 --> 00:41:41.554
Because if you are incapable, in this case of honoring
00:41:41.554 --> 00:41:45.258
Your earthly father, you will never honor
00:41:45.258 --> 00:41:47.627
Your heavenly father. and it's very clear
00:41:47.627 --> 00:41:50.830
In the ten
00:41:51.130 --> 00:41:51.831
Commandments, and they'll get
00:41:51.831 --> 00:41:52.966
Down to the specific advice in the ten commandments.
00:41:52.966 --> 00:41:55.635
It is the only commandment.
00:41:55.635 --> 00:41:57.070
Honor your mother and father so that you may live long
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In the land of which you are in.
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It is the only commandment that deals with a promise,
00:42:02.041 --> 00:42:05.745
And your country.
00:42:05.745 --> 00:42:07.447
You will cease to have a strong country.
00:42:07.447 --> 00:42:09.682
America, if we do not have kids honoring their parents.
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You, everyone out there every day, you.
00:42:13.486 --> 00:42:15.922
You should call your parents on a weekly basis.
00:42:15.922 --> 00:42:18.891
I know college exists a lot of the times
00:42:18.891 --> 00:42:21.561
To separate children from the parents.
00:42:21.561 --> 00:42:24.397
They want to try to separate you from your upbringing.
00:42:24.397 --> 00:42:27.033
Your parents aren't cool.
00:42:27.033 --> 00:42:28.234
They don't understand you. they don't share your values.
00:42:28.234 --> 00:42:30.670
The closer that you stay with your parents,
00:42:30.670 --> 00:42:32.605
Even though you have disagreements, the better
00:42:32.605 --> 00:42:34.707
You will be and your nation will be.
00:42:34.707 --> 00:42:36.376
Now to your to your personal advice.
00:42:36.376 --> 00:42:38.878
Find out what you believe and why you believe it.
00:42:38.878 --> 00:42:41.180
If a parent ever tells you to do something that is sinful
00:42:41.180 --> 00:42:44.684
Or goes against god,
00:42:44.684 --> 00:42:46.052
That is a violation of what it means to honor them.
00:42:46.052 --> 00:42:48.254
It doesn't mean you have to blindly obey them,
00:42:48.254 --> 00:42:50.423
But you must honor them,
00:42:50.423 --> 00:42:51.491
Which really means to treat them heavily.
00:42:51.491 --> 00:42:53.259
Basically, to treat that with a lot of weight.
00:42:53.259 --> 00:42:55.795
I would instead be close to both of them.
00:42:55.795 --> 00:42:57.897
It's a very difficult situation.
00:42:57.897 --> 00:42:59.532
You're going to grow up a lot quicker because of it.
00:42:59.532 --> 00:43:02.201
And come to your own independent political views
00:43:02.201 --> 00:43:05.004
And let them be known to each appropriate parent.
00:43:05.004 --> 00:43:07.740
Well, i mean, it's kind of hard.
00:43:07.740 --> 00:43:09.742
So how would i express the different views
00:43:09.742 --> 00:43:12.278
To say, my mom or my dad?
00:43:12.278 --> 00:43:14.047
Well, your view should be the same
00:43:14.047 --> 00:43:15.548
Regardless of who you're talking to.
00:43:15.548 --> 00:43:16.949
So i think i you're not you're not old enough yet to vote.
00:43:16.949 --> 00:43:19.686
So you're still searching.
00:43:19.686 --> 00:43:20.987
So instead, i wouldn't even take strong political views.
00:43:20.987 --> 00:43:23.656
I would say, mom and dad, i don't want to talk politics.
00:43:23.656 --> 00:43:26.826
I just want to talk the bible.
00:43:26.826 --> 00:43:28.928
It's not a political thing.
00:43:28.928 --> 00:43:30.129
It's a biblical thing.
00:43:30.129 --> 00:43:31.397
That would be my advice to you.
00:43:31.397 --> 00:43:33.132
So every time it comes up like, oh, you should support trump.
00:43:33.132 --> 00:43:37.437
Oh, you should hate trump. so you know what?
00:43:37.437 --> 00:43:38.705
Can we just talk things from scripture?
00:43:38.705 --> 00:43:40.707
Always go back to fundamental scripture
00:43:40.707 --> 00:43:43.576
When you're talking to your parents.
00:43:43.576 --> 00:43:44.944
And when you do that, it could be very disarming.
00:43:44.944 --> 00:43:47.814
And then you both have something to appeal to.
00:43:47.814 --> 00:43:50.450
You have a greater truth
00:43:50.450 --> 00:43:51.784
That then you're able to look at appeal to,
00:43:51.784 --> 00:43:54.220
And hopefully, you know,
00:43:54.220 --> 00:43:55.288
Get you through this difficult chapter.
00:43:55.288 --> 00:43:58.224
Well, joining us now,
00:43:58.725 --> 00:43:59.826
The editor in chief of breitbart news, alex marlow.
00:43:59.826 --> 00:44:03.596
Alex, what that a wonderful example
00:44:03.596 --> 00:44:05.398
Of the charlie kirk that, you know.
00:44:05.398 --> 00:44:08.034
Exactly.
00:44:08.034 --> 00:44:09.268
He was such a wonderful in a wonderful way with young people.
00:44:09.268 --> 00:44:12.705
And it was through practice.
00:44:12.705 --> 00:44:14.607
It was through study and not just study about
00:44:14.607 --> 00:44:17.243
The political issues of the day.
00:44:17.243 --> 00:44:19.045
But he was deeply committed
00:44:19.045 --> 00:44:20.446
To his christianity and his christian principles.
00:44:20.446 --> 00:44:23.616
It's interesting because i consider
00:44:23.616 --> 00:44:25.384
Charlie an equal on the political front,
00:44:25.384 --> 00:44:27.854
But i was always dazzled by his knowledge of scripture
00:44:27.854 --> 00:44:30.556
And the bible and his commitment to it.
00:44:30.556 --> 00:44:32.358
And that was one of the things that truly impressed me
00:44:32.358 --> 00:44:34.727
Over our friendship, which lasted over a decade,
00:44:34.727 --> 00:44:37.096
Was that whenever he started talking bible,
00:44:37.096 --> 00:44:39.232
I knew i was going to learn something.
00:44:39.232 --> 00:44:40.800
And for someone who
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.902
Isn't too much younger than me but a few years,
00:44:42.902 --> 00:44:45.138
I was always stunned that he made the time
00:44:45.138 --> 00:44:47.774
Not just to become
00:44:47.774 --> 00:44:48.941
One of our leading lights in terms of the scholarship
00:44:48.941 --> 00:44:51.744
Of our founding fathers and our founding documents,
00:44:51.744 --> 00:44:54.147
But also of biblical scripture.
00:44:54.147 --> 00:44:55.782
It was just a
00:44:55.782 --> 00:44:57.016
Tremendous set of gifts that he had and that he worked for.
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You know, i thought charlie
00:45:00.486 --> 00:45:01.754
Was such a wonderful
00:45:01.754 --> 00:45:02.889
Living example that you can hold a biblical worldview,
00:45:02.889 --> 00:45:05.892
But it doesn't have to be filled
00:45:05.892 --> 00:45:07.093
With hate or anger or condemnation.
00:45:07.093 --> 00:45:09.395
He always felt like he was building
00:45:09.395 --> 00:45:10.696
Bridges to people,
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Even when they weren't sure they agreed with him.
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Was that your sense of it?
00:45:14.734 --> 00:45:16.869
Exactly.
00:45:16.869 --> 00:45:17.503
And that's how he always
00:45:17.503 --> 00:45:18.571
Approached all the debate, which is what makes the
00:45:18.571 --> 00:45:21.741
Assassination so tragic, in that charlie represented
00:45:21.741 --> 00:45:25.745
What was good about debate and free speech in this country.
00:45:25.745 --> 00:45:29.015
He represented the ability to disagree
00:45:29.015 --> 00:45:32.051
And still be able to break bread with you afterwards.
00:45:32.051 --> 00:45:34.720
This was one of these characteristics
00:45:34.720 --> 00:45:36.422
That you see in the best among us.
00:45:36.422 --> 00:45:38.658
Andrew breitbart, the founder of bright news,
00:45:38.658 --> 00:45:40.793
Embodied this completely.
00:45:40.793 --> 00:45:42.128
That his friends were all across the spectrum.
00:45:42.128 --> 00:45:44.130
He didn't expect you to agree with him all the time.
00:45:44.130 --> 00:45:45.932
He's completely comfortable with it,
00:45:45.932 --> 00:45:47.500
And he would challenge you no matter who you were
00:45:47.500 --> 00:45:49.735
Or what stage of life you were in.
00:45:49.735 --> 00:45:51.804
He challenged you to be able to back up your facts,
00:45:51.804 --> 00:45:55.374
Be able to back up your opinions.
00:45:55.374 --> 00:45:56.943
Charlie was like that.
00:45:56.943 --> 00:45:57.844
He was really reaching these young people.
00:45:57.844 --> 00:45:59.412
He didn't have to. he wanted to.
00:45:59.412 --> 00:46:01.047
He was an evangelist for christianity,
00:46:01.047 --> 00:46:02.915
But also for america's republic and our founding documents.
00:46:02.915 --> 00:46:06.452
It was just a unique individual who was so special.
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Absolutely.
00:46:10.289 --> 00:46:11.023
You know,
00:46:11.023 --> 00:46:11.824
Charlie
00:46:11.824 --> 00:46:13.025
Had a winsome way about him when he engaged with people.
00:46:13.025 --> 00:46:16.195
And yet he's constantly labeled with these very negative
00:46:16.195 --> 00:46:19.765
Tags, you know, whether it was hate
00:46:19.765 --> 00:46:21.567
Speech or bigotry or whatever it may be.
00:46:21.567 --> 00:46:24.904
And now the media about his assassination
00:46:24.904 --> 00:46:27.406
Seems to be piling on, or at least certain segments.
00:46:27.406 --> 00:46:30.076
Yeah, we deal with that kind of misrepresentation.
00:46:30.076 --> 00:46:33.079
Well, if there's any good news to that, it is not new.
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.882
We knew they would do that. that's who they are.
00:46:35.882 --> 00:46:38.251
We've talked in your show in the past, pastor,
00:46:38.251 --> 00:46:40.419
About there's a demonic presence in this country.
00:46:40.419 --> 00:46:42.121
It's very clear to me,
00:46:42.121 --> 00:46:43.456
I don't think you needed to see
00:46:43.456 --> 00:46:45.024
More than what happened to when,
00:46:45.024 --> 00:46:47.059
A trans individual gunned down children
00:46:47.059 --> 00:46:49.161
As they prayed in a church or to see what happened
00:46:49.161 --> 00:46:51.631
On that train station near that or that train car in
00:46:51.631 --> 00:46:55.534
In north carolina to understand that, that that's
00:46:55.534 --> 00:46:57.503
What's happening in this country.
00:46:57.503 --> 00:46:59.038
And charlie is the enemy of that.
00:46:59.038 --> 00:47:01.807
He's the enemy of satan.
00:47:01.807 --> 00:47:02.875
He's trying to bring all that good in in the world.
00:47:02.875 --> 00:47:04.844
He's all about family formation,
00:47:04.844 --> 00:47:06.512
About communing with
00:47:06.512 --> 00:47:07.546
With god in the bible, about communing
00:47:07.546 --> 00:47:09.215
With our founding documents, about interacting with people
00:47:09.215 --> 00:47:11.417
With a smile on your face, trying to be a happy warrior,
00:47:11.417 --> 00:47:14.186
Being evangelist for these values all around the world.
00:47:14.186 --> 00:47:16.822
He's a global figure.
00:47:16.822 --> 00:47:18.190
You see the outpouring of support
00:47:18.190 --> 00:47:19.492
From south america, from eastern europe, from asia.
00:47:19.492 --> 00:47:22.461
It's a people are standing up and taking notice of the legacy
00:47:22.461 --> 00:47:25.731
That he has. he was that guy.
00:47:25.731 --> 00:47:28.801
He was
00:47:29.001 --> 00:47:30.102
You know, you have a lot of impact yourself
00:47:30.102 --> 00:47:32.305
Nationally with your impressive website,
00:47:32.305 --> 00:47:33.940
Your podcast and your books.
00:47:33.940 --> 00:47:36.008
The question i'm asked most often
00:47:36.008 --> 00:47:37.310
Is, what can we do now so we can face this growing
00:47:37.310 --> 00:47:40.446
Violence, the intolerance and the hatred.
00:47:40.446 --> 00:47:43.549
You've got your
00:47:43.549 --> 00:47:44.717
You've got the pulse of politics in this culture.
00:47:44.717 --> 00:47:47.453
How do we respond in the midst of this?
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I think there's a couple of things.
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On a personal level, i think we retreat to our faith.
00:47:52.024 --> 00:47:56.128
I think more time at church, more time in prayer, more time
00:47:56.128 --> 00:48:00.333
With the bible, more time with family and community.
00:48:00.333 --> 00:48:03.336
I think that
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Step one, on a personal level, on a national level,
00:48:04.403 --> 00:48:07.139
I think we need to steel ourselves
00:48:07.139 --> 00:48:08.808
And have a resolve and be able to stand up
00:48:08.808 --> 00:48:10.876
And have these uncomfortable conversations.
00:48:10.876 --> 00:48:12.912
And maybe if you were afraid in the past,
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You have to announce that there is an epidemic
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:16.482
Of left wing violence
00:48:16.482 --> 00:48:17.450
Against conservative and christian warriors
00:48:17.450 --> 00:48:19.752
In this country,
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And that is something that cannot be tolerated.
00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:22.555
It's anti-american,
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And people should be held to account for this.
00:48:23.622 --> 00:48:25.658
On a personal level.
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You need to confront people with this fact
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And have them disavow it, make them understand
00:48:28.594 --> 00:48:31.263
What's happening and disavow it that you're being hunted.
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Now it's official.
00:48:33.466 --> 00:48:34.700
This has been happening, and now we know for a fact
00:48:34.700 --> 00:48:37.803
And it's important thing,
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But i don't want us to do something
00:48:38.971 --> 00:48:40.306
That's unlawful or escalate the violence.
00:48:40.306 --> 00:48:43.075
I think that's what satan would want.
00:48:43.075 --> 00:48:44.410
I think what we should be doing is, is relying on law
00:48:44.410 --> 00:48:48.080
And order, making sure that our law enforcement
00:48:48.080 --> 00:48:50.216
Is equipped and prepared and ready to solve crimes
00:48:50.216 --> 00:48:53.786
And defend the citizens
00:48:53.786 --> 00:48:55.221
And try to hold the bad guys accountable.
00:48:55.221 --> 00:48:57.590
But in our personal lives, you also have to be prepared
00:48:57.590 --> 00:48:59.525
To defend ourselves and our families,
00:48:59.525 --> 00:49:01.093
Because unfortunately, there is evil
00:49:01.093 --> 00:49:02.762
And violence in this world and it is all around us.
00:49:02.762 --> 00:49:05.931
There is some very wise counsel.
00:49:05.931 --> 00:49:07.533
Thank you.
00:49:07.533 --> 00:49:08.634
I ask a similar question to scott brown a bit ago,
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But i want to ask for your perspective.
00:49:11.003 --> 00:49:13.172
Charlie was very effective at attractive, attracting
00:49:13.172 --> 00:49:16.809
And reaching young people with a conservative worldview.
00:49:16.809 --> 00:49:20.846
There haven't been very many other people have done that.
00:49:20.846 --> 00:49:22.648
What was it that enabled him to do it so well?
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The first thing which is going to be very hard
00:49:25.384 --> 00:49:27.486
To replace is his unending, boundless energy.
00:49:27.486 --> 00:49:31.323
I've only seen energy at this level from one other
00:49:31.323 --> 00:49:34.727
Individual who i've encountered in nearly two decades
00:49:34.727 --> 00:49:38.297
In the journalism space,
00:49:38.297 --> 00:49:39.465
And he occupies 1600 pennsylvania today.
00:49:39.465 --> 00:49:41.967
So charlie was on that level of work ethic.
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It gives you chills just thinking about
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What he tried to accomplish.
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And he did this, i believe, for two reasons.
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One, that he was touched by god.
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I think he had gifts that were innate to him.
00:49:51.677 --> 00:49:54.380
But also he did this to organization.
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He was meticulous with his time.
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He didn't waste time.
00:49:58.317 --> 00:49:59.318
He didn't lose focus in his life,
00:49:59.318 --> 00:50:01.287
That he lived a life where he was trying
00:50:01.287 --> 00:50:03.155
To be ruthlessly efficient in order to get stuff done,
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And that's what gave him joy.
00:50:05.958 --> 00:50:07.126
What gave him
00:50:07.126 --> 00:50:07.960
Joy was his formation of his family,
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.395
His career accomplishments,
00:50:09.395 --> 00:50:10.896
Feeling like the message was getting out.
00:50:10.896 --> 00:50:12.731
And we need to imbue ourselves with all of that.
00:50:12.731 --> 00:50:15.067
But i will say that he did meet people where they were.
00:50:15.067 --> 00:50:18.838
He didn't sit back and wait for them
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Just to show up at his website or on his podcast.
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He went to campuses.
00:50:22.675 --> 00:50:23.843
He went on platforms that conservatives won't go on.
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And that's very important. it's challenging to do.
00:50:26.445 --> 00:50:28.814
He was brave in that way, but he did do that
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And that was part of why he was so effective.
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Absolutely.
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Well, alex marlow, as always,
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Thank you for coming on with us today.
00:50:35.588 --> 00:50:37.923
Thanks, pastor.
00:50:37.923 --> 00:50:38.757
Thanks for making this forum for us.
00:50:38.757 --> 00:50:40.526
Well, i have some thoughts to share of my own
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In just a moment.
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Charlie kirk has passed and as you know,
00:50:43.529 --> 00:50:45.831
This is also the day that 3000 americans were killed
00:50:45.831 --> 00:50:48.767
By terrorists in new york, washington and pennsylvania.
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Without question, this is a very challenging time.
00:50:52.404 --> 00:50:55.774
Yet god will bring life.
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I'll be right back.
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I'll be right back.
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We have lost a friend, a brother in christ, a voice
00:51:12.588 --> 00:51:15.758
For biblical values, and, i believe, a voice for america.
00:51:15.758 --> 00:51:19.428
You know,
00:51:19.729 --> 00:51:20.930
I have sat with many families in the shadow of tragedy.
00:51:20.930 --> 00:51:23.432
And i've come to the conclusion
00:51:23.432 --> 00:51:24.667
That when we're confronted with the unexpected death,
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We're far more similar than we are different.
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You know,
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:30.940
When our lives have momentum,
00:51:30.940 --> 00:51:32.041
We tend to celebrate the things that make us different
00:51:32.041 --> 00:51:34.277
The neighborhoods in which we live, the cars
00:51:34.277 --> 00:51:36.179
We drive, the schools that our children may attend.
00:51:36.179 --> 00:51:38.781
Maybe it's the label in our clothing or where we vacation.
00:51:38.781 --> 00:51:42.752
Well, all of those things carry tremendous significance
00:51:42.752 --> 00:51:45.454
When we think we will never step out of time.
00:51:45.454 --> 00:51:48.624
But my experience is when death comes, and particularly
00:51:48.624 --> 00:51:51.494
When it comes in an unexpected way, we are very much the same.
00:51:51.494 --> 00:51:55.364
The reality is our lives remain in god's hands,
00:51:56.265 --> 00:51:59.735
And we would be very wise and prudent to live every day
00:51:59.735 --> 00:52:03.206
With that awareness
00:52:03.206 --> 00:52:04.607
And with
00:52:04.607 --> 00:52:05.841
The awareness of an assignment that almighty god has given us.
00:52:05.841 --> 00:52:08.344
Charlie kirk gave his life.
00:52:08.945 --> 00:52:11.180
I'm very confident that charlie understood
00:52:11.180 --> 00:52:13.115
Every morning the challenges he faced,
00:52:13.115 --> 00:52:15.451
And yet he continued to step into the public square.
00:52:15.451 --> 00:52:18.654
The messages that charlie
00:52:18.654 --> 00:52:20.022
Kirk stood up for and reminded our college students of,
00:52:20.022 --> 00:52:23.793
They're no less true today,
00:52:23.793 --> 00:52:25.561
And it's no less necessary for us to continue to repeat them.
00:52:25.561 --> 00:52:29.131
They didn't begin with charlie,
00:52:29.765 --> 00:52:31.267
And they won't end with his stepping out of time.
00:52:31.267 --> 00:52:34.070
Hatred for the biblical worldview
00:52:34.070 --> 00:52:35.805
And the fundamental principles of scripture.
00:52:35.805 --> 00:52:38.140
It's not new.
00:52:38.140 --> 00:52:39.475
It's not new to our generation,
00:52:39.475 --> 00:52:41.344
And it won't be new to the next.
00:52:41.344 --> 00:52:43.613
Sometimes it's easy to think that the only way to deal
00:52:43.613 --> 00:52:46.616
With a challenge to truth
00:52:46.616 --> 00:52:48.184
Is by being conciliatory and not telling the truth.
00:52:48.184 --> 00:52:51.988
Well, if a physician did that
00:52:52.622 --> 00:52:53.923
And didn't tell you the truth about your diagnosis
00:52:53.923 --> 00:52:56.092
Because he didn't want to hurt your feelings,
00:52:56.092 --> 00:52:57.994
We would call that malpractice
00:52:57.994 --> 00:52:59.729
And do our best to have their license removed.
00:52:59.729 --> 00:53:02.665
Well, i'm going to suggest that
00:53:02.665 --> 00:53:03.699
If a christian isn't willing to tell the truth,
00:53:03.699 --> 00:53:05.901
Then not in anger, not some sense of divine retribution,
00:53:05.901 --> 00:53:09.372
But to help one another find our way forward.
00:53:09.372 --> 00:53:12.174
That's malpractice is to keep your focus on what god is doing,
00:53:12.174 --> 00:53:16.646
Not on the expressions of evil in the world.
00:53:16.646 --> 00:53:19.148
Evil. it won't relent.
00:53:19.148 --> 00:53:21.484
Ultimately, the only thing evil will yield
00:53:21.484 --> 00:53:23.352
To is a power greater than itself.
00:53:23.352 --> 00:53:25.855
And that's not us, but it is the god we worship.
00:53:25.855 --> 00:53:29.492
That's why our connection to the.
00:53:29.492 --> 00:53:30.960
Lord matters. so much.
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:33.296
I would submit that we shouldn't take our freedom
00:53:34.263 --> 00:53:36.599
Or our kindness of one another for granted.
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:39.802
Too often we lead some rather presumptive lives,
00:53:39.802 --> 00:53:42.638
And i think we need to come back to a place where freedom
00:53:42.638 --> 00:53:45.574
And the kindness
00:53:45.574 --> 00:53:46.609
That we can express to one another is celebrated.
00:53:46.609 --> 00:53:49.545
Let's pray for charlie's family.
00:53:50.179 --> 00:53:52.014
Pray for turning point usa.
00:53:52.014 --> 00:53:54.083
May god continue to lead them forward
00:53:54.083 --> 00:53:55.918
As they fight for the hearts of our youth.
00:53:55.918 --> 00:53:58.487
And let's pray for our nation.
00:53:58.487 --> 00:54:00.523
This is our time in the arena.
00:54:00.523 --> 00:54:02.825
It's time for us as christians to engage, to be salt
00:54:02.825 --> 00:54:06.329
And light in our culture,
00:54:06.329 --> 00:54:07.930
And to make an impact that will outlast us and we'll
00:54:07.930 --> 00:54:10.933
Touch the generations that come.
00:54:10.933 --> 00:54:13.936
I'm alan jackson, and i pray you have a wonderful evening.
00:54:13.936 --> 00:54:13.936

Allen Jackson: A Charlie Kirk Tribute | Allen Jackson Now

September 11, 2025 | S E | 55:52

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