December 2nd, 2024 | Crime Stories With Nancy Grace

December 2, 2024 | S1:E170

Police say missing Hawaii woman Hannah Kobayashi intentionally missed her connecting flight, but her family disagrees. Nancy Grace digs deeper into the case.

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Breaking news tonight, an eerie twist emerging
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In the case of a hawaiian beauty who disappears
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Between flights at lax la airport.
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Where is hannah?
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Good evening, i'm nancy grace. this is crime stories.
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Thank you for being with us.
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Pictures show
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Hannah kobayashi
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Arriving in a black hoodie with colorful sweatpants
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While wearing a pair of headphones
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As she walks through lax.
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Her ex-boyfriend makes it to the connecting flight
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To jfk in new york, but hannah does not.
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There isn't a lot of time between landing from hawaii
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And catching the connecting flight to jfk.
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Just over 60 minutes.
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And some believe she simply missed the connecting flight
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And will take the next available flight on saturday.
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Her suitcase is on the plane to jfk.
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None of this is making sense.
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Now we all saw the famous movie terminal,
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All right, with tom hanks in it,
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About someone that ends up living in an airport.
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Okay, that's not real.
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This is joining me, an all star panel
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To make sense of what we know right now.
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But first to alexis torres, check crime online.com
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Investigative reporter alexis, thank you for being with us.
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Let's just take it very slowly.
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Tell me about hannah's bucket list.
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I understand that she was coming from hawaii.
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Layover in la.
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Brief layover.
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And she was headed to a photo assignment in new york.
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And that she took that assignment
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Because going to new york city was on her bucket list.
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What else can you tell me?
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She has.
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She lives in hawaii.
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She is has a beautiful
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Array of her work on her instagram.
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So she is a photographer.
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She got this job in new york.
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Yes. that is part of her bucket list.
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She wants to travel the world.
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She. and she wants to show off her beautiful photography.
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So she lands in los angeles on friday, november 8th.
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This is about.
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She has a connection at 11 p.m..
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She misses it.
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But the thing was,
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She was traveling with a friend, an ex-boyfriend.
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They were going to go together to new york,
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Even though they were broken up for their time together.
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Whoa, whoa, wait.
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Antenna going up.
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Did i hear bff boyfriend?
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Did i hear those words?
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Yes, actually. ex-boyfriend.
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Okay, stop right there.
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Stop right there.
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Stop, stop. stop and stop.
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I'm trying to make sense
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Of what i'm hearing because we all know.
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Let me go straight out to gregory moore's,
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High profile lawyer at king and moore's,
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Author of the untested on amazon.
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Greg.
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Now, i'm sure all of your clients are innocent,
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But that said, the first place you look
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When anybody goes missing is husband boyfriend, ex lover.
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Would you agree with that?
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That's right, i do agree, and i agree that everyone
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That king moore represents is likely innocent
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And that the police
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And any family member looking would go right
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To the last person that saw hannah, alive before
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Or though it was in texas, which would be the ex-boyfriend.
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It's strange that they were traveling together,
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Even though their apparently ex boyfriend and girlfriend.
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Yeah.
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You know, throwing in the word ex alexis to restaurant
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Means nothing.
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And greg brought it up to to scott eicher
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Joining us, who has worked many, many missing persons cases.
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Founding member of the fbi's cel
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That's impressive.
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Scott, aside from your expertise in cellular, cell phone
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And digital analysis,
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Let me talk to you about missing people.
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The fact that the boyfriend is an ex.
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That means nothing to me.
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Because, no offense, you are a man.
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I only become enraged when the woman breaks up.
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That makes someone that is violence
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Just beneath the surface boil over.
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So the fact that it's an ex means nothing.
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An exit decided to travel with her on this trip.
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Ex means nothing, i totally agree.
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Still a romantic liaison.
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I totally agree.
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I mean, they've had a past.
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We don't know what the future is and that that relationship.
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And it's always some someone that you have to start looking
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Initially is the last person that's all.
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Her ex-boyfriend was on the flight with her.
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You know, that's one thing, alexis torres.
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That's the last thing i would want to break up with a man.
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And then there he is, sitting beside me on a five hour flight
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Or however long it is from hawaii to l.a.
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Like right there.
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You break up with him and there he is.
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But correct me if i'm wrong, but he made his connecting
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Flight, didn't he? which separates them?
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He did. he went on to new york.
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They only had about an hour layover in los angeles.
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He got on to the next plane.
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She did not. okay.
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You joining us from la, alexis, if you could just describe the.
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Airport. and, you know, there's that stretch,
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Alexis, which is underground.
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It's a long
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I mean, you can't even see the end of it
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When you're getting off one plane
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And you're going elsewhere.
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You have to go in
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A long underground tunnel where you lose cell reception
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Very often.
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You know that spot in lax.
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So yes, lax is a madhouse.
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It's crazy.
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And it's seven terminals, and it's not like the
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Atlanta airport where you have that train
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That moves you from terminal to terminal.
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You have to walk everywhere in los angeles.
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So you walk underground from terminal to terminal,
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And it's at a it's like a huge u shaped.
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So to go from terminal terminal can take quite a long time
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If you're walking it, it's just a gigantic airport.
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And when you're trying to make a connection
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In one hour your flight lands.
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Then your next flight takes off in one hour.
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That's almost impossible in l.a.x..
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Okay, back to you, scott eicher.
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Founding member, fbi cellular analysis survey
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Team and expert in missing people.
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Do you
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Believe the fact that the boyfriend actually catches
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His connecting flight excludes him?
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Because apparently police do?
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That takes a little bit of more of investigative work.
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You don't know what happened prior to the flight.
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If he was involved in maybe, you know,
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Drugging her or something simple like that.
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She she got off the plane, went to, you know, disappeared
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After that.
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He made it further on to the connecting flight.
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What happened in between that 40 minutes?
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Okay.
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Let me let me think about what scott eicher just said.
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Joining me is irv brandt.
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In addition to alexis torres, scott eicher and gregory morse.
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Irv, former senior inspector, u.s.
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Marshals service international investigations
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Branch, author of a series of books on amazon about jack's
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Solo, the first being solo shot curse of the blue stone.
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Okay, hold on, irv.
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Do you
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Remember when you and i investigated caitlin
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Armstrong, the so-called glam yoga instructor?
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Number one, she killed a beautiful mariah,
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A beautiful, young, world class dirt bike rider
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Who was happened to be in town for a race
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Day. there's caitlin at the airport,
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And i believe that that is, let's see.
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It's not laguardia.
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It's not jfk.
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That's got to be the justification for this.
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Got to be newark.
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Liberty international
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In newark. yes.
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Now, remember how caitlin armstrong,
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Who had just murdered mo
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Just because mo had a hamburger with armstrong's boyfriend?
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Yeah.
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All this over a hamburger that said they caught her every move.
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She was using her sister's passport.
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She went on to hide out in costa rica.
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And you actually called it,
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Weeks before she was caught,
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Or brant down there teaching surfing.
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Yoga.
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She had plastic surgery on her face, changed her hair,
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Going by a different name.
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But the u.s. marshals found her.
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Irv brandt, what i'm leading up to is look at her.
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They had her every move.
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Not once, but in two airports.
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I mean, the only place with more video surveillance
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Than an airport.
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Maybe, a vegas casino or target, of course.
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Who has the best surveillance video ever?
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That said, irv, i guarantee you law enforcement has pulled
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The video in lax and watched the boyfriend's every move.
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That i have that i have no doubt.
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Nancy, like the other panelists said that you're going to
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Focus primarily
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On a relationship person first until you rule them out.
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And i'm sure that the fbi and lapd tracked,
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The boyfriend's movements across the airport,
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Made sure he did get on the flight,
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Then probably tracked his movements
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In new york to confirm that, he wasn't
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No longer a person of interest in this case.
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You know, i'm thinking about lax, irv
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And everybody on the panel also joining
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Us, renowned psychologist karen stark.
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Karen stark,
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I want to circle back to you because the last thing you want
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Is your ex popping up in the seat beside you.
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God forbid. it'd be a middle seat
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That said, this woman,
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Gorgeous, brunet beauty out of hawaii,
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Gets as far as lax, then seemingly vanishes
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Between flights.
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The first place you look in an airport.
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Scott eichner how do you,
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I mean, lax is over five acres.
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Where do you start looking for her?
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In an airport.
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The bathrooms, the lounges, the restaurants.
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But she'd be easily spotted there.
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So then you have to go behind the scenes, behind the doors
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And say, employees only.
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I mean, how do you do it, scott?
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Well, as you said, those cameras in the airports
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Are just fantastic.
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And i mean, you have a starting point, you know, the exit
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From the plane into the terminal,
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Then you just follow that person.
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Hopefully, i don't know, i've been too lax.
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It's it's i'm not in that place and it's just so many people
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I can see.
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It might be difficult, but still possible to follow it
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Through the terminal as you goes,
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You know,
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Away from the airplane itself
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And then to other parts of the airport itself.
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The search for hannah, it riddled with mystery.
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She leaves maui, scheduled to catch a flight at lax,
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A flight to new york city, but missed it
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Because of a short layover, according to her family.
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Police working with the family to find her
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In a desperate search.
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So what happens next?
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30 year old hannah kobayashi is on a bucket list
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Trip from her home in hawaii to new york.
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She is going to visit an aunt in
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Upstate new york and take photos at a deejay show in brooklyn.
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Kobayashi plans the trip with her boyfriend,
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But they break up before the trip,
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Unable to get a refund, they agree
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To fly together to new york and go their separate ways.
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Upon arrival, hannah and her ex arrive at los angeles
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International airport on friday at 9:53 p.m.
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And have a connecting flight to jfk in new york, scheduled
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For 11 p.m..
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Welcome back.
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What happened to a hawaiian beauty on her bucket list trip?
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She takes a photo assignment in new york.
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She finally gets to go see the city.
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She gets to la lax airport and then vanishes.
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Something is very wrong with this scenario.
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Then i hear alexis torres check
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That she's at the airport overnight.
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She's waiting for an early morning flight, hopefully,
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And then suddenly she pops up at the grove.
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Hold on. i need to shrink.
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Karen starting joining me right
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Now, psychologist, tv, radio, trauma expert and consultant.
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If you're looking for her online, she's at karen starcom.
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Karen, where you see
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Karen, a lot of this isn't making sense to me now.
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She travels with the acts even though they're broken up.
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At first i was hung up on that.
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Then i found out they couldn't get a refund.
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So, you know, they had to grin and bear it.
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He goes on to catch his fly.
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You know, l.a.
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Law enforcement has looked at all the surveillance of him
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Leaving his flight and walking just like we saw caitlin
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Armstrong every step of the way to his connecting flight.
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He made it. he is not a suspect.
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But why?
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This is part i don't get
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When you're trying to catch a flight
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To get to your destination.
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Why do you leave the airport
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And decide to go shopping at a mall?
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It's an outdoor mall, is famous.
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So, i don't get that part.
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Well, nancy,
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That's the part that everyone is wondering about.
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And it certainly seems like somebody else
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May have been involved because it doesn't make sense.
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And the only thing i can think of
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Is that she's being coerced or manipulated.
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Somebody has her with some kind of stockholm syndrome
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Trauma, bonding and she can't leave.
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And they are making her go to these destinations
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To have it seem that things are normal right there.
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You know, much
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As much as i'd love to dive down that rabbit hole with you,
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Let me just get the bus, the weeds
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And back in the middle of the road.
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Because. isn't it true?
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Alexis torres chuck that while at the grove,
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She takes pictures of herself
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And sends them to her aunt, and there's nobody coercing her.
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She looks happy.
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Guess she went to
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The grove two days in a row, so she lands on friday night.
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She goes to the grove on saturday,
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And the next time we see her again,
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She's back at the grove for
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This is the lebron james event at the nike store.
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Okay, now the story becomes even more bizarre.
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How do tarot card readings
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Fit into hannah's disappearance?
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Listen.
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On the evening of saturday, november 9th, hannah kobayashi
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Makes two venmo payments via venmo.
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One payment is made at 6:25 p.m.
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To a woman named
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Veronica armendariz.
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The payment includes a description
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Of a bow and arrow emoji.
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Less than one hour later, at 7:19 p.m., kobayashi
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Makes a venmo payment
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To jonathan taylor in the subject
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Line of the second venmo payment.
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Is the word reading okay?
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Alexis torres check tarot card readings number one.
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I don't believe in them.
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Number two, i had one done,
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During the atlanta olympics as a lark.
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A defense attorney also read tarot cards.
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And as a lark, said, okay, read my cards.
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And he said in 1996,
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You will marry a man that's already in your life
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Many years from now,
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And you will have twins, a boy and a girl.
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Okay. really?
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That was 96, 2007.
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I married
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David, who i've known since my senior year of college,
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And we had two children, a boy and a girl.
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I still don't believe in it.
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Okay,
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Because i can't bring it into evidence and a court of law,
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And i.
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I hear gregory moore's high profile ongoing.
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That's right. but tell me, i.
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Where does she get a tarot card reading?
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I mean, they're everywhere there is.
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So the grove is is a shopping district
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That's at the malls in the middle.
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There are streets north and south, east and west of there.
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It's the melrose district
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Tarot card ratings all up and down the street.
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She can walk to any of them.
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This is not this is a busy area.
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She could find it anywhere along those street.
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Okay, that's leading me somewhere else to earth.
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Brandt. now i've got her leave.
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She's left the airport. she's at the grove.
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Not one day, but two days.
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Still planning to catch a flight.
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There she is. there she is.
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That's in front of the, nike store at the grove earth now.
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She leaves and wanders down the side of history
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And gets a tarot card reading.
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Now it sounds to me like she's just kicking back,
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Enjoying herself.
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Lucky at a street festival, going into the various stalls,
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Maybe eating, taking pictures.
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I like what karen just said.
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I'm not buying any sudden stockholm syndrome or trauma
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Bonding, sleeping for 48 hours and still everything
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Seems to be on track.
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But we know
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She's going to go back to lax to catch another flight.
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So what do you make of this turn of events?
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She's walking along a street near the grove
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And has a tarot card reading and pays for it with a venmo.
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And nancy, i don't find that unusual.
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If you were going to be in los angeles for a couple of days
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And you were going to continue on,
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And she went to a place like the grove and like you
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Said, maybe just pass the time waiting for a flight.
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And she's interested in tarot card readings.
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And so she stopped in,
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For a reading.
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I don't find that unusual.
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I'm sure investigators on the case
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Are trying to find if there's video.
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They found a tarot card reader.
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They found him, or brandt.
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His name is jonathan taylor.
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But, what i find probative is
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That i've got her sending a venmo at 719,
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And it has reading written on it.
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We know who it goes to. we know where she is.
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So that's pretty strong evidence.
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She's alive and well two days later at 719.
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But venmo has been a source of evidence in other cases.
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Does anyone remember deborah collier, the georgia mom
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Who leaves her house with her car keys, debit card?
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Everything?
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The last we know of her is a venmo.
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Deborah collier leaves her house with her car keys and debit
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Card drives to a dollar store an hour from her home
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Is seen on video in the store and in the parking lot.
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She sends a $2,300 venmo payment to her daughter, amanda beard,
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With the cryptic message, they are not going to let me go.
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Love you.
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There's a key to the house in the blue flower pot by the door.
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Beard says she wasn't expecting money
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And calls collier right away, but gets no answer.
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Deborah collier has vanished.
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Her daughter and husband reported missing,
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And police begin the investigation.
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Focused on the venmo payment.
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And there you see video surveillance of deborah.
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I believe that's at a
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Dollar general or a dollar tree just before she vanishes.
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That venmo being one of the last clues
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Of whether she's dead or alive.
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But here we have another clue.
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Listen.
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Sunday, november 10th hannah kobayashi is back at the grove
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In downtown los angeles.
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In a scene on a video
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Posted to youtube at the lebron james
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Trial experience at the nike store,
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A photo of the event is posted on kobayashi's instagram.
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Hannah had been texting with family members,
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Telling them she couldn't wait to get to new york,
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And it was a nightmare trying to get another flight.
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Back to gregory
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Morris joining as partner king and moore's palm beach.
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Gregory, the significance of this?
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I mean, we know she went to the nike store and
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This video is for the lebron james
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Trial experience and that is at the nike store.
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But her posting of this video on youtube
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Gives me another hard time in my timeline scenario.
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And she's provided
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All of that herself from the venmo to the posting.
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So we have her alive and well.
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Sunday, november 10th
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I mean, i don't see anything odd about it.
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I don't think anyone's controlling her.
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I don't think anyone has abducted her and is making her
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Go to the lebron james trial experience.
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I think we can count on that as being a significant factor
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In our timeline.
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I think it's
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Significant, but i think it also can be seen
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As a problematic that she may have been, being controlled.
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You know, there's connections of her.
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Well. why should she be in control?
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Because she's had the lebron james experience.
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Well, when you look at the picture,
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She does not look happy.
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She does not look like she wants to be there
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In the sense that she's not
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Smiling, hands raised or showing excitement for this.
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It's an odd event to go to if,
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You had a connecting flight to new york.
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Greg morris so your theory, let's
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Just follow this theory to its logical conclusion
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To the dead end.
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I'm about to explain.
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Greg morris, you're saying that someone is controlling her.
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They've abducted her
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And they've taken her to the lebron james experience.
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Okay, so they kidnap her.
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Not to rape her, not to get money from her,
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Not to kill her out of some, thrill kill desire.
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But they kidnap her to force her to go to the lebron
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James experiment. experiment?
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Is that what you're saying?
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That's exactly what i'm saying, potentially.
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And it seems like that could have occurred
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To make her seem like your law.
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Partners are not going to be
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Happy with you, because that doesn't make sense.
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Do you need to retract it?
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She was kidnaped to force her to go to the lebron james
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Experiment set. is that you're going to stick with that?
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I'm going to stick with that
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Because from everything else,
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It seems like she's not intentionally doing that.
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Someone is trying to create the impression
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That this girl is fine.
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And i go back to the, ex-boyfriend
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Who was with her
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On a connecting flight
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But didn't go with her to the connecting flight.
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That is very unlikely.
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Let let's just rule him out to make greg more happy.
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Alexis torres shot at the time this photo was taken
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In front of the lebron james trial experiment.
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The boyfriend has.
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This is two days later.
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The boyfriend is already where he was going.
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He's at his destination.
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She's alive, and he's in another jurisdiction.
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He went to new york. he made a slight.
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He actually has spoken with the police. they have.
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They said that he has been very helpful
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And they do not believe that he is involved in this at all.
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He has no knowledge of what is going on.
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He has no knowledge of what is going on.
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Where is hanukkah? bbc
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Friends, family, police are stopped.
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Family desperate.
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Then after she is spotted at the grove
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And the lebron james, experiment.
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An odd twist.
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The text that she is sending to friends and family
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Suddenly don't sound like her at all.
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Listen,
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Hannah kobayashi's family is concerned
00:24:11.815 --> 00:24:13.584
About odd text messages they are getting from hannah
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Because the messages don't sound like her.
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The messages use terms like hun and babe and saying someone
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Is trying to steal her identity and all of her funds.
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The messages also don't include any emojis,
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Something everyone knows to expect
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From a text message coming from hannah kobayashi.
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You know, greg moore's high profile lawyer.
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He's tried a lot of cases.
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There is the reality
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Of routine evidence and again, by that
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I don't mean stereotypical or run of the mill evidence.
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I mean evidence of someone's routine.
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If i were to send you a two paragraph text,
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You would know i'm dead and somebody has got my phone.
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My texts are two sentences max, with a lot of abbreviations,
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This woman always included an emoji.
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Always
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No emojis.
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In this, she started using pet names like babe and hun
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Spelled h u n, as in attila
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The hun, as opposed to honey.
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They all noticed that was totally unlike her,
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And i submit and would submit even in the court of law, that
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That is where my tray timeline begins
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With these odd texts.
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Well, i don't think the timeline begins there,
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But i do agree with you that those texts
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Seem out of character according to her family.
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And we all know when something's wrong.
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We've we've had a loved one or friend send us a text.
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Hey, are you mad?
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This texting off.
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We have it's very quickly.
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And and hannah's family knew her habits.
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And it does seem like someone sent those texts to try
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To make it seem like she's,
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She is alive in some way.
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Or even though they're negative texts,
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That talk about her disappearing.
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And that could all be a ruse
00:26:14.805 --> 00:26:16.507
To let her family
00:26:16.507 --> 00:26:17.775
Think something that's not true when she's somewhere else.
00:26:17.775 --> 00:26:20.878
So i think you're right.
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The texts are important, but the timeline starts
00:26:22.212 --> 00:26:24.782
When she leaves hawaii and then goes from there.
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And these texts are one piece that help
00:26:28.185 --> 00:26:30.721
Describe this odd situation.
00:26:30.721 --> 00:26:32.589
And that something is amiss here with this.
00:26:32.589 --> 00:26:35.292
With hannah.
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I am, of course, referring to the criminal timeline,
00:26:36.427 --> 00:26:39.763
When i believe that something went awry with hannah.
00:26:39.763 --> 00:26:43.867
This has happened before,
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And we can prove that it's evidence of wrongdoing.
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Remember gabby petito.
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On august 27th, 2021?
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It's believed that brian laundrie
00:26:53.844 --> 00:26:55.279
Sent a text to nicole schmidt
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:56.680
In which he refers to gabby petitos grandfather.
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Stand by name gabby petito never called her grandfather
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By this name.
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Calling your grandfather by their first name
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And not a common nickname like papa or grandpa or
00:27:05.823 --> 00:27:08.559
Something like that, was very, very unorthodox.
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.627
And nicole schmidt
00:27:10.627 --> 00:27:11.829
Had very, very strong feelings connected to that text message
00:27:11.829 --> 00:27:14.732
That something wasn't right,
00:27:14.732 --> 00:27:16.200
That something was drastically wrong.
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I mean, these texts get really bizarre.
00:27:19.236 --> 00:27:21.739
Let's see that visual of the texts.
00:27:21.739 --> 00:27:24.742
Deep hackers wiped my identity, stole all of my funds,
00:27:24.742 --> 00:27:29.613
Have had me on a mind f since friday.
00:27:29.613 --> 00:27:33.250
I got tricked into giving away all my funds for someone.
00:27:33.250 --> 00:27:36.720
Listen, i thought i loved
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.490
Then she's no longer replying to messages from family
00:27:39.490 --> 00:27:42.359
And friends.
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:43.527
No new messages are coming to their sounds at that point.
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Family reports her missing to alexis torres.
00:27:48.565 --> 00:27:53.170
Shocked family and friends
00:27:53.170 --> 00:27:54.605
Thought everything was fine up until this point.
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At this point
00:27:58.842 --> 00:28:00.244
They reach out to police, they file a missing persons report
00:28:00.244 --> 00:28:03.647
And they began to blanket social media.
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Describe.
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They put out the local police,
00:28:09.386 --> 00:28:11.588
Put out a message on their social media.
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They put say that she is a missing woman
00:28:13.357 --> 00:28:15.125
Here in los angeles.
00:28:15.125 --> 00:28:15.959
It was on the local news
00:28:15.959 --> 00:28:17.694
And it has been all over tiktok, instagram.
00:28:17.694 --> 00:28:22.099
I don't know about twitter, but it's everywhere.
00:28:22.099 --> 00:28:24.568
And here's the thing
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She's beautiful, young, she has lots of friends.
00:28:25.602 --> 00:28:28.872
They are all worried about her now and her family
00:28:28.872 --> 00:28:31.708
Has been very proactive.
00:28:31.708 --> 00:28:33.110
They've reached out to multiple news stations
00:28:33.110 --> 00:28:35.579
To get the message out there that she is missing
00:28:35.579 --> 00:28:38.916
Some.
00:28:39.149 --> 00:28:40.012
Family and friends of hannah kobayashi arrive in los angeles
00:28:40.325 --> 00:28:43.628
To begin searching,
00:28:43.628 --> 00:28:44.830
Reaching out to police and filing a missing person report.
00:28:44.830 --> 00:28:47.699
They also cover social media
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And the news media asking for help.
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It is determined that hannah's phone last pinged around 4 p.m.
00:28:51.770 --> 00:28:55.073
Monday, november 11th at lax.
00:28:55.073 --> 00:28:57.209
With no new activity.
00:28:57.209 --> 00:28:58.510
The phone has not been found.
00:28:58.510 --> 00:29:00.212
The family obtained surveillance footage
00:29:00.212 --> 00:29:02.113
Showing hannah kobayashi
00:29:02.113 --> 00:29:03.415
Around the metro train station near crypto.com arena.
00:29:03.415 --> 00:29:07.219
In that video, she appears to be accompanied
00:29:07.219 --> 00:29:09.421
By someone
00:29:09.421 --> 00:29:10.522
The family posts on social media that the video shows
00:29:10.522 --> 00:29:12.891
Hannah is not alone and, quote, does not appear to be in
00:29:12.891 --> 00:29:16.661
Good condition.
00:29:16.661 --> 00:29:17.863
Okay, a lot to figure out from that news report
00:29:17.863 --> 00:29:21.600
To scott eicher, a founding member of the fbi
00:29:21.600 --> 00:29:25.403
Cellular analysis team, former fbi
00:29:25.403 --> 00:29:28.607
22 years
00:29:28.607 --> 00:29:31.610
Scott, let's talk about the pain.
00:29:31.610 --> 00:29:34.546
The pain places her phone, which i believe is with her back
00:29:34.546 --> 00:29:39.117
At l.a.x., but no new activity from the phone.
00:29:39.117 --> 00:29:43.455
We just get a ping.
00:29:43.455 --> 00:29:45.323
Then you've got footage showing her at the metro
00:29:45.323 --> 00:29:48.226
Train station near the crypto.com arena.
00:29:48.226 --> 00:29:51.529
What is that telling you?
00:29:52.097 --> 00:29:53.098
I'm not sure if the surveillance video
00:29:53.098 --> 00:29:56.568
At crypto arena is before or after the lax
00:29:56.568 --> 00:30:01.706
Paying, alexis torres check which one is first.
00:30:01.706 --> 00:30:04.876
That's important.
00:30:04.876 --> 00:30:06.211
The crypto.com spotting is after she was at lax.
00:30:06.211 --> 00:30:10.649
And how far is
00:30:10.982 --> 00:30:11.750
Crypto arena from lax?
00:30:11.750 --> 00:30:15.053
About ten miles.
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Not very far.
00:30:17.422 --> 00:30:20.091
Okay, so what about it, scott?
00:30:20.091 --> 00:30:22.160
Her phone is paying to the airport.
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:24.996
Then ten miles away, she's at a train station at crypto arena.
00:30:24.996 --> 00:30:31.369
Well,
00:30:31.603 --> 00:30:31.903
We know
00:30:31.903 --> 00:30:33.104
She went back to the airport to, try to get another flight
00:30:33.104 --> 00:30:35.440
To new york, so that makes sense.
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:38.576
And i think there was a text
00:30:38.576 --> 00:30:40.078
That she was charged to trying to charge her phone
00:30:40.078 --> 00:30:42.347
At one of the places over by the grove.
00:30:42.347 --> 00:30:44.249
What does lapd have to say?
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Listen.
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On friday, november 8th, 23 year old hana kobayashi.
00:30:46.785 --> 00:30:50.522
Mr.. connecting flight from lax to new york, which,
00:30:50.522 --> 00:30:53.591
The investigation determined was intentional.
00:30:53.591 --> 00:30:56.294
Over the next few days,
00:30:56.294 --> 00:30:57.295
She maintained
00:30:57.295 --> 00:30:58.396
Contact with her family and was active on instagram.
00:30:58.396 --> 00:31:01.266
However, the family last heard from hana on november 11th.
00:31:01.266 --> 00:31:04.636
After receiving concerning text messages
00:31:04.636 --> 00:31:06.938
And losing further contact, her family traveled to l.a.
00:31:06.938 --> 00:31:10.675
On november 13th and filed a missing person report.
00:31:10.675 --> 00:31:13.778
Alexis torres
00:31:14.145 --> 00:31:15.246
I guess my understanding the family hannah's family
00:31:15.246 --> 00:31:18.183
Vehemently disagrees with the lapd, saying her
00:31:18.183 --> 00:31:22.754
Missing her connecting flight to nyc was intentional.
00:31:22.754 --> 00:31:26.157
They think she just missed the flight
00:31:26.157 --> 00:31:28.093
And they want it to travel well.
00:31:28.093 --> 00:31:30.628
That's exactly right.
00:31:31.129 --> 00:31:31.997
They they disagree with this.
00:31:31.997 --> 00:31:33.465
They say that she missed her flight.
00:31:33.465 --> 00:31:35.500
She was trying to get back.
00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:36.801
She was trying to get on another flight.
00:31:36.801 --> 00:31:38.236
She went back to lax
00:31:38.236 --> 00:31:39.738
That she was trying to continue on because she had told them,
00:31:39.738 --> 00:31:42.707
I'm going to go see my aunt, still go to new york.
00:31:42.707 --> 00:31:45.610
And so they believe her that that's what she says.
00:31:45.610 --> 00:31:47.846
They do not believe that this was an intentional
00:31:47.846 --> 00:31:50.181
Missing of the flight and then hanging out
00:31:50.181 --> 00:31:51.816
In los angeles for no reason.
00:31:51.816 --> 00:31:53.651
Then an extremely bizarre twist.
00:31:53.651 --> 00:31:56.388
After 11 days of searching for his daughter,
00:31:56.388 --> 00:31:58.623
Ryan kobayashi is found dead around 4 a.m.
00:31:58.623 --> 00:32:01.593
Near a parking structure at lax.
00:32:01.593 --> 00:32:03.695
The los angeles medical examiner says the cause of death
00:32:03.695 --> 00:32:06.431
Is multiple blunt force trauma injuries.
00:32:06.431 --> 00:32:10.168
Police confirmed the 58 year old died
00:32:10.168 --> 00:32:12.137
After jumping off the seventh floor of the parking structure.
00:32:12.137 --> 00:32:15.407
The family issues
00:32:15.407 --> 00:32:16.574
A statement expressing grief and asking for the public
00:32:16.574 --> 00:32:18.777
To focus on the search for hana kobayashi.
00:32:18.777 --> 00:32:21.579
Alexis torres, chuck, this is a crazy
00:32:21.579 --> 00:32:25.884
A bizarre twist in the disappearance
00:32:25.884 --> 00:32:28.219
Of the hawaiian beauty hana kobayashi so let me understand.
00:32:28.219 --> 00:32:32.123
The father, who has previously been estranged from hana, flies
00:32:32.123 --> 00:32:38.063
All the way to lax and starts looking for her
00:32:38.063 --> 00:32:41.466
And then suddenly kills himself.
00:32:41.466 --> 00:32:45.203
He does.
00:32:45.470 --> 00:32:46.037
He flew to los angeles.
00:32:46.037 --> 00:32:47.172
He went to the crypto.com center.
00:32:47.172 --> 00:32:49.908
It's the stadium used to be the staples center in los angeles.
00:32:49.908 --> 00:32:52.644
Downtown got together with a lot of
00:32:52.644 --> 00:32:54.512
People, was on the press, on the news, trying to
00:32:54.512 --> 00:32:57.549
Bring awareness for his daughter.
00:32:57.549 --> 00:32:58.917
He searched for her.
00:32:58.917 --> 00:33:00.018
He searched all parts
00:33:00.018 --> 00:33:01.119
Of downtown, the downtown los angeles area.
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.154
This is one of the areas known as skid row.
00:33:03.154 --> 00:33:05.490
He was down there looking for her, searching literally
00:33:05.490 --> 00:33:09.427
Feet on the ground,
00:33:09.427 --> 00:33:10.728
Looking for his daughter and all these really
00:33:10.728 --> 00:33:12.997
Tough parts of town.
00:33:12.997 --> 00:33:14.432
And he was searching.
00:33:14.432 --> 00:33:16.134
He was talking to
00:33:16.134 --> 00:33:17.135
Anybody who had maybe seen her, because this was
00:33:17.135 --> 00:33:19.204
Where she'd been spotted
00:33:19.204 --> 00:33:20.438
And trying to find her and was unable to do so,
00:33:20.438 --> 00:33:22.774
Had never had contact with her.
00:33:22.774 --> 00:33:24.075
And he spoke to the media and he said, i have so much regret.
00:33:24.075 --> 00:33:27.245
I was very much estranged with her,
00:33:27.245 --> 00:33:29.147
But all i want to do now
00:33:29.147 --> 00:33:30.715
Is help to find her, to find my little daughter.
00:33:30.715 --> 00:33:33.585
And he then went back to lax, where it was the last time
00:33:33.585 --> 00:33:37.155
Where she was seen on video about,
00:33:37.155 --> 00:33:40.058
12 days before this.
00:33:40.525 --> 00:33:42.060
And then
00:33:42.060 --> 00:33:43.228
He went on top of a parking structure, seventh floor,
00:33:43.228 --> 00:33:45.697
And he jumped off and his body was found
00:33:45.697 --> 00:33:47.632
At 4:00 in the morning.
00:33:47.632 --> 00:33:49.501
So straight out to irv brandt joining us, former u.s.
00:33:49.501 --> 00:33:53.638
Marshal service.
00:33:53.638 --> 00:33:55.173
Irv, how do i know he jumped and wasn't pushed?
00:33:55.173 --> 00:33:59.611
Well, that's a good question, nancy.
00:34:00.378 --> 00:34:02.046
It would appear that the authorities, the fbi
00:34:02.046 --> 00:34:05.717
And the lapd and the coroner's office believe it's a suicide.
00:34:05.717 --> 00:34:10.088
And i'm assuming that they have something,
00:34:10.088 --> 00:34:14.025
Substantial, to back that up.
00:34:14.659 --> 00:34:17.795
I would imagine it would probably be something
00:34:17.795 --> 00:34:20.298
Like maybe video, from the parking garage
00:34:20.298 --> 00:34:23.902
Or most secure parking garages do have video cameras.
00:34:23.902 --> 00:34:28.540
And if he was alone and there's pictures of him stepping up on,
00:34:28.540 --> 00:34:33.278
On the wall, you know, with no one else around.
00:34:33.278 --> 00:34:36.447
Yeah, he was pushed.
00:34:36.447 --> 00:34:38.116
Let me follow up on that.
00:34:38.116 --> 00:34:39.617
Alexis torres, check the parking deck
00:34:39.617 --> 00:34:42.420
Where the dad reportedly jumped to his death.
00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:46.324
Was that connected to the airport or near the airport?
00:34:46.324 --> 00:34:49.827
Yes. it was very near lax, and i believe that there.
00:34:49.827 --> 00:34:52.764
Okay. what's there covered in surveillance?
00:34:52.764 --> 00:34:54.933
Okay, alexis, i hope you're sitting down.
00:34:55.833 --> 00:34:57.769
I've got another
00:34:57.769 --> 00:34:58.803
Another, curveball to throw at you at nine mph.
00:34:58.803 --> 00:35:01.773
What is the twin flames cult?
00:35:02.407 --> 00:35:06.344
And what, if anything, does it have to do with hannah?
00:35:06.344 --> 00:35:10.215
So the twin flames cult is an organization
00:35:11.082 --> 00:35:13.718
That was started by this couple, and they are
00:35:13.718 --> 00:35:17.288
They were in hawaii
00:35:17.288 --> 00:35:18.690
And they have started this organization
00:35:18.690 --> 00:35:20.425
Where they tell people that they have a twin flame,
00:35:20.425 --> 00:35:23.561
And it's based on an old book from the 1800s
00:35:23.561 --> 00:35:25.930
That so you match with somebody, you are a twin and you,
00:35:25.930 --> 00:35:28.666
But you
00:35:28.666 --> 00:35:29.601
Both have intense feelings for each other,
00:35:29.601 --> 00:35:31.336
But they encourage people to not,
00:35:31.336 --> 00:35:33.204
And they the founders of this cult,
00:35:33.204 --> 00:35:36.441
They are the ones that select who the twin flame is for you.
00:35:36.441 --> 00:35:39.711
So you say you are.
00:35:39.711 --> 00:35:41.212
You join this and i say, we know who this person is,
00:35:41.212 --> 00:35:43.581
But it can possibly be
00:35:43.581 --> 00:35:44.983
Not even somebody within the organization.
00:35:44.983 --> 00:35:47.051
So they say, this is your twin flame.
00:35:47.051 --> 00:35:48.453
You must go after them.
00:35:48.453 --> 00:35:49.687
You must make them love you and make them realize that this.
00:35:49.687 --> 00:35:52.757
So hannah had followed
00:35:52.757 --> 00:35:54.559
Quite a few people that were involved in this cult
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:58.563
On her instagram page, and people that this
00:35:58.563 --> 00:36:00.832
Has been very suspicious that perhaps
00:36:00.832 --> 00:36:02.800
That this had a connection because they are
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:05.770
Their headquarters for
00:36:05.770 --> 00:36:06.904
Their organization, are listed in carlsbad, california,
00:36:06.904 --> 00:36:10.575
Which is about 90 minutes south of los angeles,
00:36:10.575 --> 00:36:13.411
Is just north of san diego, and this is where this is located.
00:36:13.411 --> 00:36:17.682
There are other texts that are alarming.
00:36:17.682 --> 00:36:20.985
And, karen, start joining us, renowned psychologist
00:36:20.985 --> 00:36:26.758
There.
00:36:26.958 --> 00:36:27.659
They're very disturbing to me
00:36:27.659 --> 00:36:28.726
Because i don't think she wrote them.
00:36:28.726 --> 00:36:30.795
They say things like, quote, matrix, underworld girl
00:36:30.795 --> 00:36:36.601
And that she would never have written
00:36:36.601 --> 00:36:39.737
Matrix underworld girl.
00:36:39.737 --> 00:36:42.340
This is way beyond me.
00:36:42.340 --> 00:36:45.009
The friend writes.
00:36:45.009 --> 00:36:47.345
Did you get kat to say some dude
00:36:47.345 --> 00:36:49.314
You were talking to you on the internet?
00:36:49.314 --> 00:36:50.848
She says, no, we met.
00:36:50.848 --> 00:36:52.817
I can't explain all of it.
00:36:52.817 --> 00:36:54.118
Just be open with this. please.
00:36:54.118 --> 00:36:56.254
And this is so beyond
00:36:56.254 --> 00:37:00.958
Anything that hannah kobayashi would ever have written
00:37:00.958 --> 00:37:06.197
That would be like me telling you
00:37:06.197 --> 00:37:08.266
My mind had been hijacked
00:37:08.266 --> 00:37:10.868
And i was going through some matrix shit.
00:37:10.868 --> 00:37:14.939
Okay.
00:37:15.173 --> 00:37:15.506
You would.
00:37:15.506 --> 00:37:16.107
No, i did not send that.
00:37:16.107 --> 00:37:18.476
And that's what her family and friends are getting.
00:37:18.476 --> 00:37:21.479
This woman is gone.
00:37:21.479 --> 00:37:23.081
She's not sending these texts.
00:37:23.081 --> 00:37:26.317
Well, you know, nancy, if you sent that to me,
00:37:27.218 --> 00:37:29.987
I would think to myself, either it's not you or something
00:37:29.987 --> 00:37:33.791
Terrible has happened to you and your personality is changing.
00:37:33.791 --> 00:37:37.829
And i think both of those are a possibility
00:37:37.829 --> 00:37:40.531
For something awful is going on with hannah.
00:37:40.531 --> 00:37:43.668
And in fact, it very well could be that she broke up
00:37:43.668 --> 00:37:47.805
With the boyfriend. who knows?
00:37:47.805 --> 00:37:49.307
Because there was someone else that she fell in love with,
00:37:49.307 --> 00:37:52.276
And it was somebody that she met there,
00:37:52.276 --> 00:37:54.746
Or she coincidentally met someone there
00:37:54.746 --> 00:37:57.448
Who somehow manipulated her
00:37:57.448 --> 00:37:59.450
And did things to her that she doesn't understand,
00:37:59.450 --> 00:38:02.353
And she's losing her sense of self.
00:38:02.353 --> 00:38:04.889
And that is a strong possibility to me,
00:38:04.889 --> 00:38:08.259
That something is going on that we don't understand.
00:38:08.259 --> 00:38:11.896
But she doesn't understand either.
00:38:11.896 --> 00:38:14.866
Someone is manipulating her, coercing her
00:38:14.866 --> 00:38:17.935
And making her do things that she would not normally do.
00:38:17.935 --> 00:38:21.372
And she's confused, anxious, desperate.
00:38:21.372 --> 00:38:26.015
And she's confused, anxious, desperate.
00:38:26.015 --> 00:38:26.076
On november 15th, our missing
00:38:26.710 --> 00:38:28.245
Persons unit assumed investigative responsibility.
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Detectives have been diligently reviewing
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Video surveillance and employing
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Various investigative techniques to locate hannah
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While her family has continued their personal search efforts.
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Tragically, on november 24th, during the search
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For his daughter, hannah's father
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Ryan kobayashi was found deceased.
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Preliminary findings indicate his death was by suicide.
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Our hearts go out to the kobayashi family.
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During this unimaginable time of grief.
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We remain fully committed
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To locating hannah and supporting the family
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As they navigate their way through this tragedy.
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This case has had so many twists and turns, it's hard
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To make sense and determine what's fact and what's fiction.
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Amongst the twin flames cult claims,
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Now, conspiracy theories about african hackers.
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Gregory morse.
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Isn't it true you discover that twin flames cult
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Is actually headquartered
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Or somehow incorporate in carlsbad?
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That's correct.
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Ten flames.
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When they filled out their nonprofit,
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Forms for the government was, listed in an address
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In carlsbad, california, which is in the san diego area.
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And, you know, her conduct, her texts,
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Her leaving the airport,
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Going to do different things is in line with people
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Who, you know, get whether the word is duped,
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Whether get sucked in to a cult and they act very bizarre,
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You know, it's, you know, jim jones was a real person.
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Jim jones caused people
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To do
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Horrible things to themselves because they were desperate,
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And they thought that was an answer.
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And this could very much be what this, young lady is,
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Dealing with right now, especially with a nonprofit
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About finding your soulmate.
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And we'll pick it for you.
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I mean, this this screams of, you know, cult trying
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To control in the vein of koresh or jim jones.
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And it's, i mean, she could be very well down that rabbit hole.
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Alexis torres,
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Does she have any known connection to twin flames?
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She follows people on her instagram account
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That are involved with twin flames,
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But right now, there's
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No specific connection that she is involved in,
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But she follows them on instagram.
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What about the theory that african hackers
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Are involved in her disappearance?
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It's one thing to steal your money.
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It's another thing to make you go completely missing
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In the airport.
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This is what people are worried about,
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That somebody has hacked into her account.
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She's saying, all of my money has been stolen.
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My identity has been changed. i can't get anywhere.
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She seems like she's very desperately
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Upset about everything that's happening.
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She hasn't sent screenshots of say,
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You know, her bank account
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Showing that she has no money, but she also isn't anywhere.
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She's not going anywhere, getting any help doing anything,
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Even calling her parents and saying her mom now saying,
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I am here in los angeles, please come and get me.
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So the characterization
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Of her going missing at l.a.x.
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Is not entirely true.
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I think before his death, the father was on the right
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Track.
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We're not going to find her and some closet at l.a.x..
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She's long been gone from lax, the l.a.
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Airport.
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If you know or think you know anything about the disappearance
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Of hannah kobayashi, please dial
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Toll free (800)█222-8477.
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Repeat (800)█222-8477.
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Where is hannah kobayashi?
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We start now to remember an american hero
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Officer andy ornelas, california highway patrol
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Killed in a crash in the line of duty
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From a long line of law enforcement,
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Including his parents, brother and uncle.
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Survived by wife, now widow taylor.
00:42:31.621 --> 00:42:36.126
American hero, police officer andy ornelas.
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Thank you to all of our guests for being with us tonight.
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And thank you for being with us tonight and every night.
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Nancy grace signing off.
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I'll see you tomorrow night, six and 9:00 sharp eastern.
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And until then.
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Good night, friend.
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December 2nd, 2024 | Crime Stories With Nancy Grace

December 2, 2024 | S1:E170

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