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Dr. Robert Jeffress | Robert Jeffress - How To Treat Your Next Pastor (Part 1) | February 4, 2025
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- [announcer] from the pulpit
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- Of the first baptist church of dallas, texas,
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- This is pathway to victory with dr. robert jeffress.
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- Hi, i'm robert jeffress,
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- And welcome again to pathway to victory.
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- From teaching style to operational management,
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- Every pastor has his own preferred way
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- Of handling responsibilities in the church,
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- And while some of those issues
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- Can be left up to personal preference,
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- The bible has some non-negotiable instruction
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- Regarding a pastor's role as leader of a congregation.
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- Today we're going to talk about the god-given responsibility
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- Of spiritual leaders in the church.
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- My message is titled, "how to treat your next pastor"
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- On today's edition of pathway to victory.
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- I love the story about the pastor
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- Who was going to his first church,
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- And he was so excited about his future ministry.
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- His first day in the office,
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- His predecessor dropped by to see him.
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- The former pastor had left the church
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- Under a cloud of controversy
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- And he came by to encourage his successor.
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- He said, "i want you to know i'm praying for you,
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- But if you run into difficulty, and this is a tough church,
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- If you run into difficulty,
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- I've left three envelopes in the top desk drawer
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- For you to use only if you need some encouragement."
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- The new pastor thanked his predecessor,
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- But assured himself
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- That he would never need those envelopes.
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- Well, he hadn't been there a week
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- When he got accosted in the hallway
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- By an irate sunday school member
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- Who was furious over his sunday school class being too warm,
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- And the new pastor was so discouraged,
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- He didn't know he was going to have to deal with
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- Things like that,
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- And so he slithered back to his office
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- And he pulled out that first envelope, envelope number one,
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- And it said, "be not fearful or dismayed.
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- I am with you, saith the lord."
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- That made him feel better.
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- A few weeks later, he got a notice
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- That the deacons were calling a special meeting
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- To discuss the declining attendance in the church,
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- And they wanted him to answer for it.
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- Well, this discouraged him again,
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- And so he remembered there was another envelope.
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- He picked up envelope number two, opened it up,
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- And it said, "behold, i am with thee wherever thou goest,"
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- And that promise from the lord encouraged his heart.
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- About three months later,
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- The church called a special business meeting
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- To fire the pastor over declining finances,
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- And he was at the bottom,
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- But thankfully he remembered there was a final envelope.
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- He went to his desk drawer, opened it up,
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- Opened up envelope number three, and it said,
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- "prepare three new envelopes."
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- (congregation laughing)
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- You know, i thought of that story
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- When i prepared this week's message.
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- The title of it is how to treat your next pastor.
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- Now, this is not a farewell sermon.
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- Some of you are getting your hopes up.
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- This is not a farewell sermon.
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- I'm not going anywhere,
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- But there's a reason that i titled this message
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- The way i did,
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- And you'll see that in just a moment.
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- Now, i have to admit to you,
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- I've not been looking forward to this final message
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- In our series in hebrews.
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- I feel about it like i do about having a root canal.
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- There's something else i'd rather be doing
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- Than preaching this passage,
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- Because it is a difficult passage,
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- Especially for me to preach.
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- One reason it's difficult is because,
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- Well, it's a sermon about me.
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- It's about my responsibility to you here in the church,
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- And it's also about your responsibility toward me
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- And the spiritual leadership of the church,
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- And that's always a touchy topic,
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- And so that's why i titled this sermon
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- How to treat your next pastor.
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- I want you to fast forward 20 years from now,
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- And imagine that i've gone
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- And i'm up in heaven watching you,
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- And you've called a new,
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- Nameless, faceless pastor to you right now.
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- Let's think about how to treat him
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- Rather than how to treat me,
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- Because i mean, the fact is,
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- It's hard to separate principles from personalities.
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- You know, the military has a saying.
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- We salute the uniform, not the person in the uniform.
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- Well, it's the same way in the role of pastor.
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- I'm not asking you to salute,
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- But we're talking about the role
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- And the responsibility of the pastor.
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- The second reason
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- This is a particularly hard subject to address
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- Is the potential abuse
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- Of the truth we're going to look at today.
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- We all know pastors who have gone to the extreme
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- Of becoming dictators in the church.
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- A lack of accountability has led them into immorality
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- Or they've over-exercised their authority
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- And led the church into financial ruin,
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- And none of us wants that extreme,
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- But some churches go to the opposite extreme.
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- They treat their pastors as nothing more than hired hands
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- To do their bidding,
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- To keep the temperature right in the sunday school class,
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- And all of those sorts of things.
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- Neither extreme is biblical.
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- Today we're going to talk about
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- What the role and the responsibility
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- Of spiritual leaders in the church is,
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- And the context of this passage is all-important.
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- Turn over, if you would, to hebrews chapter 13.
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- Remember the writer made that pivot in chapter 12.
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- He said, "let us run with endurance
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- The race that is set before us,
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- Fixing our eyes on jesus,
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- The author and finisher of our faith."
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- He said in difficult times, hebrew christians,
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- Don't give up your faith.
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- Don't go back into judaism.
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- Keep running that race.
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- And remember last time,
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- We looked at two detours that will get you off track
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- In your relationship with god.
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- We talked about the detour of immorality,
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- We talked about the detour of materialism,
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- But now the writer's going to give us some encouragement.
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- He's going to say,
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- God has given you somebody to encourage you
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- To stay on track in your relationship with god,
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- And that's the spiritual leader in the church.
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- His job is to encourage you to stay on track,
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- And that's the theme of this passage we're going to look at.
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- Now, when we come to hebrews 13,
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- The bible is going to talk about
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- Two kinds of spiritual leaders we need to follow.
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- First of all, he talks about leaders from the past,
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- Leaders from the past.
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- Look at verse seven, our respect for past leaders.
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- "remember those who led you,
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- Who spoke the word of god to you,
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- And considering the result of their conduct,
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- Imitate their faith."
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- That word remember literally means bring to mind,
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- Call to mind those who have led you in the past,
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- Those leaders who have gone on to heaven.
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- He's not saying take a stroll down memory lane
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- Just for the sake of old times' sake.
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- He's talking about remember them, recall them,
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- And imitate their faith.
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- Do you remember when we used to wear those bracelets
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- From 20 years ago?
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- Everybody had 'em. wwjd, what would jesus do?
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- And the idea is if you were in a difficult situation,
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- You would ask yourself the question,
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- What would the lord do in this situation?
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- Well, the writer of hebrews is saying,
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- When you get in a difficult spot,
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- Ask yourself what would,
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- And insert the name of somebody who's led you in the past
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- That you had respect for,
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- A spiritual leader, a pastor, staff member, evangelist,
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- Somebody who impacted your life, and imitate their faith.
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- Now, some people would say,
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- Well, i thought we're just supposed
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- To fix our eyes on jesus.
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- We're not supposed to look at other people,
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- Just imitate jesus.
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- Did you know that's exactly
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- What the carnal corinthian christians,
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- Some of them were saying to paul.
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- Paul said, "there are divisions in your church.
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- Some are saying, "we follow peter,"
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- Others say, "we follow apollos,"
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- And some of you are saying, "we only follow jesus."
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- That wasn't a commendation, that was a condemnation.
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- He said, "you're refusing to follow
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- The leaders god has placed upon you.
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- Instead, you're just saying you follow jesus."
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- Now, god says, yes, we're to keep our eyes on jesus,
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- But we also need flesh and blood examples
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- That we can look at to imitate their faith,
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- And that's why paul said in 1 corinthians 11:1,
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- "be imitators," literally be mimics of me,
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- Even as i'm a mimic, an imitator of jesus christ."
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- We need leaders certainly in our past that we can look up to
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- And ask ourself the question when we get in a tight place,
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- What would this leader have said to me?
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- What was his counsel to me when he was alive in teaching?
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- What would he do in this situation?
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- I hope in your gallery of memories
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- There are past leaders
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- Who have made an impact upon you and your family,
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- That you can mimic, that you can imitate.
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- Years ago, i remember going in to say goodnight
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- To our oldest daughter, julia.
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- She was about 10 at the time,
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- And she was sitting up in bed,
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- Reading a biography of billy graham.
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- Even when she was a little girl,
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- She was so interested in evangelism and sharing her faith,
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- And she was reading this biography of billy graham,
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- And so i got to tell her about billy graham
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- And about the impact he had had on our family's life,
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- And i told her the story about when my mother,
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- For whom julia is named,
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- In 1954 when she was pregnant with me,
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- That she went to the cotton bowl crusade here in dallas.
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- She wasn't a christian,
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- And under the preaching of billy graham,
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- She became a christian
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- And she ended up joining first baptist church dallas
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- The same day that billy graham joined the church,
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- Where he was a member here for 54 years.
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- And i told her the story about how my mom and my dad
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- Passed that faith on to me,
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- And how amy and i have passed it on to her,
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- And then now to watches an adult
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- How she and ryan
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- Are passing that faith on to their children.
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- On and on it goes, all because of 70 years ago,
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- A man who made a great investment
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- And passed on his faith to us and to so many others.
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- I was thinking about that just this week
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- As i prepared this message about remembering those
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- Who have impacted your life in the past.
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- And as i was writing these thoughts down, out of the blue,
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- I got a letter from a man named david bruce.
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- David bruce for years
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- Was the personal assistant to billy graham.
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- He spent every day with billy
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- Up until the day dr. graham went home to be with the lord,
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- And david bruce wrote me these words.
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- He said, "i simply write to thank you
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- For your faithful preaching and far-reaching ministry
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- Through the pulpit of first baptist dallas.
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- For mr. graham, there were welcome and sweet memories
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- Of your predecessor, dr. chriswell, and of you,
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- And the impact the church had
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- On mr. graham's life and times.
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- He fondly would say that he was half-texan
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- And loved every minute of it.
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- Recently my travels took me to dallas,
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- And i had a brief moment to pass by your church
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- And to pray for you
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- And the good folks of first baptist dallas.
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- During the covid sequestering in north carolina,
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- I was privileged to hear you preach sunday after sunday,
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- And am so grateful for your biblical convictions
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- Of the strength of your holy spirit empowered proclamation.
- 00:13:12.248 --> 00:13:16.252
- Praise god for your church's extensive ministry.
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- Remember that there are those who love and appreciate
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- The historic church in dallas,
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- As well as your current ministry."
- 00:13:26.462 --> 00:13:29.865
- That was such an encouragement to me.
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- It was kind of a circle of spiritual life.
- 00:13:31.066 --> 00:13:33.869
- Here is a man 70-plus years ago,
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- Who impacted my family and me and so many of you,
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- And then to know that we had an impact on his life,
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- And we're sharing that faith with people all over the world.
- 00:13:45.915 --> 00:13:50.119
- Hopefully you've got people in your life like that,
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- That you can look back to and thank god for.
- 00:13:52.655 --> 00:13:56.659
- We're to respect our past leaders.
- 00:13:56.659 --> 00:14:00.062
- Frankly, that's easier to do
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- Than when it comes to our current leaders.
- 00:14:03.766 --> 00:14:06.001
- You know, somebody said,
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- We tend to immortalize leaders of the past
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- While treating our current leaders
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- Like faces on a dart board.
- 00:14:12.274 --> 00:14:14.677
- Unfortunately that's true in too many churches,
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- And that's why the writer of hebrews
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- Talks about our responsibility to leaders in the present,
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- Beginning with verse 17.
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- He says, "obey your leaders, and submit to them,
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- For they keep watch over your souls,
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- As those who will give an account.
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- Let them do this with joy and not with grief,
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- For this would be unprofitable for you."
- 00:14:38.567 --> 00:14:43.305
- Now i can sense some people already tensing up.
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- Obey your leaders?
- 00:14:47.509 --> 00:14:50.913
- I mean, why in the world would i do that?
- 00:14:49.712 --> 00:14:53.315
- Let's admit,
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- There's a difficulty in this command for all of us.
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- One reason this is a difficult command to obey
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- Is we all have a natural resistance
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- To obeying any kind of authority.
- 00:15:05.594 --> 00:15:07.629
- That's inbred.
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- 1 samuel 15:23 talks about rebellion
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- Being like the sin of witchcraft.
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- We all resist obeying other people, don't we?
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- Children resist obeying their parents.
- 00:15:17.906 --> 00:15:20.509
- Wives find it difficult to submit to their husbands.
- 00:15:20.509 --> 00:15:23.679
- Men find it difficult
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- To obey their employers or the government.
- 00:15:24.913 --> 00:15:27.549
- We all find it difficult to obey other people,
- 00:15:27.549 --> 00:15:33.422
- And yet in 1 corinthians 11:3,
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- Paul says all of us are under somebody's authority.
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- Remember what paul said?
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- He said that the man is the head of the woman,
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- That christ is the head of every man,
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- And god is the head of christ.
- 00:15:47.336 --> 00:15:49.938
- Even even jesus himself was under somebody's authority.
- 00:15:49.938 --> 00:15:54.109
- God puts us all, every one of us under somebody's authority.
- 00:15:54.109 --> 00:15:59.982
- First of all,
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- It's the only way you maintain order in your home,
- 00:16:01.350 --> 00:16:03.786
- In your business, in your church, in your country,
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- Is if there's a clear line of authority.
- 00:16:07.556 --> 00:16:10.092
- The late, great adrian rogers used to say,
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- "anything in nature with two heads is a freak,
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- And anything with no head is dead."
- 00:16:16.899 --> 00:16:19.535
- There has to be a head of any organization to keep order,
- 00:16:19.535 --> 00:16:24.239
- And i think god puts us not only under authority
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- To maintain order,
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- But to also help us learn how to obey christ.
- 00:16:29.978 --> 00:16:32.815
- I mean, if we can't obey the human authority
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- That we see every day,
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- How in the world will we learn to be obedient
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- To a god we have not seen?
- 00:16:38.854 --> 00:16:41.390
- So let's all admit
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- There's a natural resistance to authority.
- 00:16:42.558 --> 00:16:45.027
- But a second reason this is difficult
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- Is the possible abuse of authority.
- 00:16:47.596 --> 00:16:51.800
- I think every one of us here
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- Could give an example of some leader
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- We either have known personally or known of
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- Who has abused his place of authority,
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- Especially in the church.
- 00:17:01.543 --> 00:17:03.545
- There's some of you watching right now,
- 00:17:03.545 --> 00:17:06.482
- You may have been in an abusive situation
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- Where you were abused by a spiritual authority in the church
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- And you said,
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- "i'm never getting in that kind of situation again."
- 00:17:15.591 --> 00:17:18.260
- Well, let's admit there are some bad leaders out there,
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- And how do we handle leaders
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- Who abuse their place of spiritual leadership?
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- Let's talk about that for just a moment.
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- In jesus' day,
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- The abusive spiritual leaders were called the pharisees,
- 00:17:35.344 --> 00:17:40.149
- And they were a group of jewish leaders
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- Who placed their tradition above god's word.
- 00:17:42.184 --> 00:17:46.989
- In fact, jesus said they were hypocrites
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- Because they came up with regulations for other people
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- That they themselves were unwilling to follow,
- 00:17:52.127 --> 00:17:55.130
- And listen to what jesus said about them in matthew 15.
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- Hold your place here and go over to matthew chapter 15.
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- Jesus' harshest criticisms
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- Were not leveled against adulterers, murderers, thieves.
- 00:18:03.705 --> 00:18:06.942
- It was against hypocritical religious leaders.
- 00:18:06.942 --> 00:18:10.078
- Look at chapter 15, verses one to 14.
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- "then some pharisees and scribes
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- Came to jesus from jerusalem, and they said,
- 00:18:15.584 --> 00:18:18.887
- "why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders?
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- For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread."
- 00:18:23.025 --> 00:18:26.128
- This was pre-covid.
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- They weren't washing their hands when they eat bread.
- 00:18:27.663 --> 00:18:30.832
- Now, that was a tradition.
- 00:18:30.832 --> 00:18:34.136
- They were concerned that the disciples
- 00:18:34.136 --> 00:18:36.471
- Weren't following their traditions
- 00:18:36.471 --> 00:18:38.106
- Instead of the word of god,
- 00:18:38.106 --> 00:18:40.042
- And so jesus called them out on it.
- 00:18:40.042 --> 00:18:41.843
- He said to them "why do you yourselves
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- Transgress the commandment of god
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- For the sake of your tradition?"
- 00:18:47.583 --> 00:18:50.352
- And then he goes on and gives example after example
- 00:18:50.352 --> 00:18:53.055
- Of where the pharisees
- 00:18:53.055 --> 00:18:54.456
- Were placing their tradition above god's word.
- 00:18:54.456 --> 00:18:57.259
- Now, skip down to verse 12.
- 00:18:57.259 --> 00:18:58.860
- "then the disciples came and said to jesus,
- 00:18:58.860 --> 00:19:01.597
- "do you know that the pharisees were offended
- 00:19:01.597 --> 00:19:04.866
- When they heard this statement?"
- 00:19:04.866 --> 00:19:07.936
- Ooh, the pharisees are upset.
- 00:19:07.936 --> 00:19:11.773
- Jesus couldn't have cared less.
- 00:19:11.773 --> 00:19:14.543
- Notice what he said in verse 13.
- 00:19:14.543 --> 00:19:16.712
- "but jesus answered and he said,
- 00:19:16.712 --> 00:19:18.981
- "every plant which my heavenly father did not plant
- 00:19:18.981 --> 00:19:24.720
- Shall be uprooted,
- 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:26.388
- But you let them alone.
- 00:19:26.388 --> 00:19:30.859
- Let them alone; for they are blind guides of the blind.
- 00:19:30.859 --> 00:19:34.663
- And if a blind man guides a blind man,
- 00:19:34.663 --> 00:19:36.999
- Both will fall into the pit."
- 00:19:36.999 --> 00:19:39.635
- Isn't that interesting?
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- He didn't say, "get rid of the pharisees.
- 00:19:40.869 --> 00:19:42.371
- Vote 'em out of office."
- 00:19:42.371 --> 00:19:43.372
- He said, "leave them alone.
- 00:19:43.372 --> 00:19:45.474
- They will self-implode
- 00:19:45.474 --> 00:19:47.309
- And they'll take everybody who's following them
- 00:19:47.309 --> 00:19:49.177
- Down with them.
- 00:19:49.177 --> 00:19:50.946
- Leave them alone."
- 00:19:50.946 --> 00:19:52.381
- How do you handle a spiritual abusive leader?
- 00:19:52.381 --> 00:19:55.417
- Now, listen to me.
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- The bible says there are two reasons
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- To get rid of a leader, a pastor, two reasons.
- 00:19:59.187 --> 00:20:03.258
- Reason number one, if he preaches heresy.
- 00:20:03.258 --> 00:20:07.229
- If i ever stand in this pulpit
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- And deny the deity of jesus christ,
- 00:20:10.098 --> 00:20:13.402
- The inspiration of the scripture,
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- The blood atonement of christ for our sins,
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- The literal return of jesus christ one day,
- 00:20:16.872 --> 00:20:20.309
- If i ever deny those basics,
- 00:20:20.309 --> 00:20:22.144
- I'm not talking about, does the tribulation and the rapture
- 00:20:22.144 --> 00:20:26.048
- Come before or after the millennium?
- 00:20:26.048 --> 00:20:27.516
- I'm not talking about that.
- 00:20:27.516 --> 00:20:28.750
- I'm talking about basic, basic bible doctrine,
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- The basics of the faith.
- 00:20:32.120 --> 00:20:33.388
- If i ever deny those truths,
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- You need to call a business meeting
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- And fire me as your pastor.
- 00:20:38.327 --> 00:20:40.595
- There's no place for that.
- 00:20:40.595 --> 00:20:42.764
- The second reason to get rid of a leader is immorality.
- 00:20:42.764 --> 00:20:48.503
- 1 timothy 5:19 talks about
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- Not just an accusation against a pastor,
- 00:20:51.740 --> 00:20:54.710
- But if you have proof
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- On the basis of two or three eyewitnesses,
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- You're to get rid of him, you're to get rid of him.
- 00:20:59.514 --> 00:21:03.385
- But any other offense outside of that, what does jesus say?
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- Leave them alone, leave them alone.
- 00:21:09.124 --> 00:21:11.026
- Let god deal with it.
- 00:21:11.026 --> 00:21:12.861
- I had a deacon who called me from another church,
- 00:21:12.861 --> 00:21:16.298
- And he told me this story.
- 00:21:16.298 --> 00:21:17.866
- He said he was not pleased with the pastor,
- 00:21:17.866 --> 00:21:20.535
- The current pastor that they had,
- 00:21:20.535 --> 00:21:22.938
- And some other deacons came to him and said,
- 00:21:22.938 --> 00:21:25.440
- "we sense you're as upset with those pastors as we are.
- 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:29.745
- We want you to join us in removing the pastor from office."
- 00:21:29.745 --> 00:21:34.216
- And this deacon said, "i told them no."
- 00:21:34.216 --> 00:21:37.552
- They were astonished.
- 00:21:37.552 --> 00:21:38.520
- They said, "well, why not?"
- 00:21:38.520 --> 00:21:40.655
- He said, "if we uproot this pastor,
- 00:21:40.655 --> 00:21:45.394
- We will also uproot the other members in the church
- 00:21:45.394 --> 00:21:49.264
- Who revere him and respect him.
- 00:21:49.264 --> 00:21:51.666
- We can't do that.
- 00:21:51.666 --> 00:21:53.668
- Leave him alone and let god deal with it."
- 00:21:53.668 --> 00:21:56.471
- That's what jesus was saying here.
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- If you try to uproot somebody that the father did not plant,
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- It will hurt other people in the process as well.
- 00:22:04.813 --> 00:22:07.716
- Now, i'm talking to some of you right now
- 00:22:07.716 --> 00:22:10.018
- Watching this message.
- 00:22:10.018 --> 00:22:11.520
- You're in a church and you don't care for your pastor.
- 00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:13.722
- You disagree with him.
- 00:22:13.722 --> 00:22:15.891
- Pray for him.
- 00:22:15.891 --> 00:22:17.659
- If you need to, go talk to him,
- 00:22:17.659 --> 00:22:19.294
- And share your concern in a spirit of love,
- 00:22:19.294 --> 00:22:23.165
- And if you still can't resolve it,
- 00:22:23.165 --> 00:22:25.834
- Don't try to get rid of him.
- 00:22:25.834 --> 00:22:27.135
- Don't lead a rebellion.
- 00:22:27.135 --> 00:22:28.437
- Don't be guilty of disenchanting
- 00:22:28.437 --> 00:22:31.640
- And disillusioning other christians.
- 00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:34.443
- Go find a church, go find a pastor that you respect
- 00:22:34.443 --> 00:22:39.080
- And whose authority you can follow.
- 00:22:39.080 --> 00:22:41.183
- That's the way you deal with leaders
- 00:22:41.183 --> 00:22:43.819
- That you don't agree with.
- 00:22:43.819 --> 00:22:46.621
- But the vast majority of pastors out there today
- 00:22:46.621 --> 00:22:50.158
- Are not bad pastors.
- 00:22:50.158 --> 00:22:51.827
- They're doing the best they can to take care of you,
- 00:22:51.827 --> 00:22:55.330
- To watch over your soul,
- 00:22:55.330 --> 00:22:57.466
- So let's talk about how we do respond
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- To pastors and spiritual leaders in the church.
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- The writer's command to obey and submit to your leaders
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- Is a difficult one for multiple reasons,
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- But apart from an abusive pastor
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- Who needs to be removed from his position,
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