Beyond The Gates of Splendor & End Of The Spear

January 23, 2026 | 237:24

An incredible true story of forgiveness following tragedy. A 70th anniversary tribute to Jim Elliot and 4 other missionaries killed in Ecuador. This presentation includes a remastered documentary and the remastered feature film END OF THE SPEAR.

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| Beyond The Gates of Splendor & End Of The Spear | January 23, 2026

Coming up tonight,
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70 years ago, a story unfolded that shook the world.
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Five young men, one remote tribe.
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A moment of tragedy that became a legacy of faith, sacrifice
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And obedience.
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Tonight, experience the powerful documentary beyond the
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Gates of splendor, followed by the remastered feature film,
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End of the spear.
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Two films, one true story, a legacy that continues to speak
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70 years later.
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Every family has a story.
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How my family became part of a stone age amazon tribe is a
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Story that began before i was born.
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From a time before the inca, the eastern jungle, or oriente,
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Has been seen as the heart of darkness.
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Here was the home of the huaorani.
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Those who ventured too deep
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Into these forests never returned.
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My parents, nate and marge saint, along with jim and
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Elizabeth elliot, roger and barbara youderian, ed and
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Marilou mccully, and pete and olive fleming were coming
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Together and starting their families.
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Series of events unfolded that united these five friends and
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Our families in one common purpose.
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Nate would often fly into a mission station and find
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Somebody that was just needing more care than the missionary
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Could possibly give.
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So immediately we began to think of the need of a clinic.
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Nate flew into our airstrip one day and we were having lunch
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And he said, hey guys,
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I found the aucas.
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They're all joyful about it.
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And i wasn't all that excited, i was fearful.
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One motivation that we had of thinking that we might be a
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Part in reaching these people that were just known to all
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Outsiders as killers, was that we had the modern missionary
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Mule, the airplane for 13 weeks.
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They took gifts to the indians.
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When the flights were accepted so well, when when they began
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Sending back gifts, it was like, you know, maybe this is
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What they've been waiting for.
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Somebody to show them that they cared about them
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On friday, january 6th, three waodani appeared at the camp
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That the five men had called palm beach.
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Notes from dad's pocket journal tell what happened that day.
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Jim helps them into the water and across. lunch. they talk.
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Cameras.
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No trouble.
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Take pictures of younger woman.
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♪♪
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Maf had a radio network in the jungle, and marge handled that.
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Every morning she would go from one station to another station.
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But this morning she went right straight to me and she said,
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Something's happened to our husbands.
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She said, we have not heard anything from the five men
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Since yesterday.
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And rachel was sitting right there and she shot up off that
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Sofa and she said, are those guys in auca territory?
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♪♪
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The praise program today is in celebration of life.
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A celebration of commitment, a celebration of obedience.
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And we want to give honor to roger youderian, pete fleming,
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Jim elliot, nate saint, and ed macauley.
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It was 70 years ago this month that those missionary men gave
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Their lives for a tribe of people that
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Didn't want them there.
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The waodani.
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Jim, tom, you're going to help tell the story of what we're
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Doing here today, because you two are largely responsible for
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The documentary and the feature film that featured the lives of
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This story from 1956.
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Tom, it feels like i heard about this story from you, and
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This was kind of a passion of yours.
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How did you get involved with the story of this tragedy
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Turned triumph.
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In 1975, when i became a believer in korea, in the army,
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Towards the end of the vietnam war, i read two books and my
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First month of being a believer.
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One of them was through gates of splendor.
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When i completed reading that book, i setting that down on my
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Nightstand that night and the lord spoke to me and said,
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You'll make this into a movie someday.
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My goodness.
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I was not a movie filmmaker.
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I had nothing to do with television film at the time.
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And i just said, that's peculiar, but it's one of those
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Things like maybe, mary, you ponder that in your heart.
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You just went, wow, okay.
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And held on to that for for many, many years.
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My goodness, it feels like what this story is to me.
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Jim, you were the director.
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You help us tell this, but it felt like it was...
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This story in general has the potential of being one of these
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Things that through tragedy comes something that only god
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Can do.
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Romans 8:28 is real.
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Yeah, we saw that this year or last year, with charlie kirk,
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And through 26 now an explosion of activity amongst the youth
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In america.
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And that came through an assassination, a horrible,
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Tragic event.
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Yeah. well, that's exactly our story.
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What? as the director of both the documentary and the film,
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What did this story what are
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You trying to tell our audience about?
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You know, mart green was the producer that came to me.
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He's also the one that kind of talked to tom.
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He had something in his heart about if you're going to live
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This faith, you're going to be able to demonstrate it.
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You're going to be able to see it.
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He would call it this book
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Being alive, the bible being alive.
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It was an incredible privilege to come alongside the actual
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Families, you know,
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The widows and their sons and steve saint.
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A lot of movies are made where you get a sign off from the
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Family, and then you just go make it.
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Well, this was made in cooperation with them.
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And as a filmmaker, that means you're never divorced from the
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Real emotional reality of what this is.
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So i wanted to find out, how do you love that much and how do
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You obey that willingly?
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And what empowers us to do that.
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And so we went on a journey to explore that with the families
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From their words, and then, surprisingly, from the waodani
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That had actually speared the missionary.
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Give me a give me a poignant moment from the film.
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Oh, gosh.
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Um, so many.
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But one of them that that hit me the most real striking one
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Was when it came for the time to do the reenactment of the
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Spearing sequence.
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Uh, i was there with steve saint and mincaye, who was
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Actually one of the guys who speared the five missionary.
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Uh, jim had spent three days laying this out with him.
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So when you see the film, you
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Will see what actually happened.
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This isn't maybe this happened.
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No, the actual guys were there
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And said, no, i came from over there.
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This is where pete fleming ran away from--
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So we're we're setting it up.
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It's all prepared.
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And the first spearing
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Reenactment was going to take place.
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Steve and mincaye are standing behind me.
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Jim calls action.
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Steve's behind.
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He sees the monitor.
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What's going on?
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They go.
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And when they speared, uh, nate saint, it would have been.
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I just heard this, uh.
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And i looked behind me, and steve has fallen to his knees
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And he's sobbing.
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You know, during that.
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And it was just a, it's just a moment, you know, he'd traveled
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The world speaking with mincaye, calling him grandfather
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To his kids.
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And they had such a close bond.
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They were an amazing team and hilarious stories i could tell
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For hours about traveling with them and things that they
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Saw and did.
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But he wept at that moment because i think it's not like
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It was ever out of his mind that what had happened there
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And what it.
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...to his dad ...his father.
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That this guy had killed his father, that was not the issue.
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But i think just seeing it reenacted and it was done in
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The exact setting, it couldn't have been
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More poignant.
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We had worked with the waodani.
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I mean, the actual guys that attacked the missionaries and
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The accounts from all of the journaling that had happened.
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And steve was, you know, very
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Particular that we get this right.
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So i think he was focused on the technical side of it and
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The accuracy of it, not the
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Emotional, not the emotional.
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So when the scene finally played out and the emotion hit
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Him, you got to realize that he's not only seeing a actor
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Portraying his dad being speared, he's seeing an actor
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Portraying mincaye sitting next to him on the set.
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Who's brutally murdering his dad.
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As i as i sit here, i always think about the good that
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Happens out of tragedy.
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You can't just dwell and you have to look beyond it.
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You have to see what god is wanting to accomplish.
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You have to--
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You have to go there.
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I have to go there.
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I have a tendency to live in the future anyway.
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So but, um, what for somebody that is older than we are,
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This story was an international story.
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You know, the president of the united states was making
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Remarks from the white house about this event shortly after
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It happened.
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We're talking this was a big, big story. cover of life
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Magazine, which doesn't even exist anymore.
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So there's an entire generation that does not know what we're
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Talking about.
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So for somebody that doesn't know, that is a little bit
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Younger than us or a lot younger than us,
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Give me the story of what happened in a, you know,
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Kind of 90-seconds or less kind of thing.
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Of i'll do a quick version and i'll let jim, uh--
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Do a not so quick version, but--
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Um, the thing that hit me about the story, even when i read it,
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Was the willingness to lay down your life.
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Okay.
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And seeing that the things i read afterwards that it was
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There were whole bible schools, over half their classes left
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College and became missionaries. wow.
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Basically, the statement was that these folks were willing
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To give their lives,
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I should at least be able to live my life in such a manner.
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And it was the largest sending
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Of missionaries in the us history.
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And when jim and i, mart and the team would pray about it,
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We said, lord, may this be a second wave of missionaries
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Going into all the world and proclaiming the good news.
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That was the hope. for the audience my age and older, who
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Had read through gates of splendor,
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The indians were known as the aucas, not as the waodani.
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Uh, so anybody say, wait, i thought that was the name of
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The aucas.
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So those old missionary folks who were sitting there watching
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This right now, that's the same story.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Steve, um, loved the waodani.
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And as a filmmaker, i really wanted to understand that.
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They did spear his father.
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They these families experienced great loss.
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And steve loved his father.
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Steve loved nate so much.
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It's his hero.
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So here's here's steve going, what?
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What was what?
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Why was my father willing to do this?
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Leave me essentially, leave my mother.
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Leave our brothers and sisters. to understand that great love,
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So an understanding of a father's love, the lengths that
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Christ would go to reach us is something the story really
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Speaks to me about.
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And to know from steve, one of the reasons why i really love
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Mincaye in this tribe was if my father was willing to love them
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Enough to leave us and to
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Sacrifice his life if he needed to,
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It gave steve a depth of understanding of that love that
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He lives to this day for the waodani. beautiful.
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Now, i think the other part of the story that it needs to be
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Mentioned is that the wives just didn't flee home.
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And nate's sister, rachel, spent the rest of her life
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With the waodani, and steve was gracious enough to give me a
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Copy of rachel's diary, and there's at least 20 times it
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Says, i think tonight is the night i'm going to die.
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She went and lived with waodani the whole time, and she had a
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Little house down there.
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And in that house she had native american indian tribes
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With their headdresses all around the inside of her cabin.
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And she said,
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These people are extinct in their way of life is extinct.
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We can't let that happen.
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The waodani need to keep their distinctive culture, but they
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Need to bring jesus into it.
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She stayed there and translated the bible for the waodani and
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Lived her entire life, and was buried there in the jungle.
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As one of the waodani.
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So after her brother nate was killed, she stayed,
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Translated the bible,
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And elizabeth elliot was also
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Very active in going in and out.
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They went in... yeah.
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So it's not like these wives just collapsed.
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They knew what they were in there for.
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Now, all of them didn't go into the jungle and live the rest
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Of their lives that way.
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But it's a tremendous story of when it's like how many times
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You said god didn't call me.
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He called us.
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And when you look at that, the way god calls couples and
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Things because the two become one.
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So here we are, you know, and you know, and of course, my
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Wife was a missionary on the mission field in korea when i
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Was there in the army. you know, serving, uh, special
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Needs and deaf children in korea.
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My goodness.
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Well, this is a special night for us.
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70 years ago, this event happened.
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So what we want to do is we want to make sure, you know,
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That we're playing both beyond the gates of splendor
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And end of the spear.
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But right now, uh, the documentary film directed by
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Jim, produced by tom,
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Beyond the gates of splendor.
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♪♪
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Every family has a story.
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How my family became part of a stone age amazon tribe is a
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Story that began before i was
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Born and is still being written today.
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♪♪
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The headwaters of the amazon river, begin in the andes
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Mountains and gather in the rainforests far below.
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To many people in ecuador, the birthplace of this ancient
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River is a cradle of fear.
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From a time before the inca, the eastern jungle or oriente
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Has been seen as the heart of darkness.
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Here was the home of the huaorani.
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Those who ventured too deep
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Into these forests never returned.
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The quechua referred to the waodani as aucas, which means
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Naked savage.
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But the quechuas had never gotten close enough to really
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Learn what the waodani called themselves.
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Today the waodani are telling what life for them used
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To be like.
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There are no real records from the time of the inca in the
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Early spanish conquistadors, from which to trace the origins
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Of the mysterious waodani.
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Their native speech is unrelated to the surrounding
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Tribes, and it's unlike any other surviving language.
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The warring nature of the waodani reached inside their
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Own groups.
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Blood feuds and vendettas began an internal cycle of killing
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And such a huge scale that it threatened the very existence
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Of the tribe.
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Through extensive genealogical research, anthropologist jim
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Yost discovered that six out of every ten adult waodani deaths
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For the past five generations were homicides.
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In an environment of killing
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Unimaginable to the outside world.
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While waodani children grew up understanding, they would spear
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And live
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Or be speared and die.
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♪♪
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Anthropologist clayton and carol robarchek had conducted
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Field studies with the peaceful sami tribe in malaysia when
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They first heard about the waodani.
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Sitting in our living room one night and on television came
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The nova documentary titled nomads of the rainforest.
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And we were just astounded.
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We'd never heard of the waodani before, but here was
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A society that point for point
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Was virtually identical to the sami.
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They both hunted with blowpipes and poison darts and spears.
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They hunted the same animals, deer and pigs.
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They grew the same crops, manioc and bananas.
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The crucial difference, of course, was that where sami is
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Perhaps the least violent society on earth, waodani are
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As near as we've been able to tell, the most violent.
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Originally, it started out as collecting genealogies.
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You'd ask someone, what was your father's name or your
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Mother's name?
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And they would say, oh, he was so-and-so, and he was speared
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Over here by the so-and-so, and they stuck the spear in here.
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And it went and came out here.
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And when they pulled it out, well, his guts came out.
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You know, you get these incredible bloody stories.
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It was just an endless litany because virtually everybody's
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Ancestors were speared to death.
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We would ask, why did they do that?
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They were angry.
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And that was.
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That was the answer.
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Turns out that they have these two paramount values
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Egalitarianism and autonomy.
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And if something comes along to infringe your autonomy, this is
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A violation of the way things ought to be and the way that
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One restores this sense of autonomy, this sense of control
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Is to is to kill.
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One of the things that was most obvious was that.
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The waodani have no method, no institutionalized method for
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Resolving conflict.
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And given that there's no overarching mechanism for
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Controlling people's behavior, people simply are able to do
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Precisely what they what they please.
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There is no precedent in waodani culture for for
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Submerging your own self-interest in the service of
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A larger group.
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That idea just hasn't existed in the past.
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And so people are very unwilling to concede any of
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Their freedom of action in service of the of the
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Objectives of the group as a whole, because the group as a
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Whole never existed before.
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In 1937,
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The royal dutch shell company
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Constructed an airstrip below mera.
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But they later abandoned all their efforts in the oriente,
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Largely because of workers lost to spearing raids.
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Living as they had for centuries, the waodani
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Successfully held the 20th century at bay with nothing but
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Chonta wood spears.
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♪♪
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The story of how contact was finally made.
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Began thousands of miles.
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And what seemed like centuries away.
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My parents, nate and marge saint, along with jim and
00:29:33.728 --> 00:29:37.498
Elizabeth elliot, roger and barbara youderian, ed and
00:29:37.498 --> 00:29:42.737
Marilou mccully, and pete and olive fleming were coming
00:29:42.737 --> 00:29:47.508
Together and starting their families just a few years after
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Dayumae had fled from hers.
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♪♪
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One day in the nurses residence, one of my classmates
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Called me down to her room.
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She said, i just got a big envelope of letters and some
00:30:36.758 --> 00:30:41.596
Pictures from my mother.
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I wanted you to read them and see his picture, because my
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Mother has four daughters, and i'm sure that she's hoping that
00:30:46.935 --> 00:30:50.805
One of us will marry nate.
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But i don't think he will.
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I think he'll marry you.
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He would walk over to the hospital and take the elevator
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Up to whichever floor i was working on the last night that
00:31:01.115 --> 00:31:06.254
We did that.
00:31:06.254 --> 00:31:07.488
While still on the elevator, he said, well, as far as i'm
00:31:07.488 --> 00:31:10.024
Concerned, it's all over, but the hardware.
00:31:10.024 --> 00:31:16.798
And that was his way of proposing to me.
00:31:17.665 --> 00:31:21.436
♪♪
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I can still see.
00:31:28.476 --> 00:31:30.478
Roger as he's walking down the hall at northwestern school.
00:31:30.478 --> 00:31:34.782
He had just returned and been discharged from the paratroops,
00:31:34.782 --> 00:31:39.787
And he still had his paratroop uniform on.
00:31:39.787 --> 00:31:43.524
And for some reason, i noticed him going down the hall, and i
00:31:43.524 --> 00:31:46.694
Just thought he was really a handsome guy, and i was
00:31:46.694 --> 00:31:49.697
Wondering if he was going to be around.
00:31:49.697 --> 00:31:53.001
One of my favorite memories is the night he proposed to me.
00:31:54.168 --> 00:31:58.873
He took off an old watch he had from the ranch, and he he gave
00:31:58.873 --> 00:32:02.643
It to me because he didn't have a ring.
00:32:02.643 --> 00:32:04.479
And he gave it to me saying that he would like me to keep
00:32:04.479 --> 00:32:08.916
Time for him.
00:32:08.916 --> 00:32:14.756
Pete and i grew up together in the same church.
00:32:15.757 --> 00:32:19.761
Our parents were friends.
00:32:19.761 --> 00:32:21.029
His mother gave my mother a baby shower when my mother was
00:32:21.029 --> 00:32:25.466
Expecting me.
00:32:25.466 --> 00:32:26.934
Pete was three years older than me, but about four years ahead
00:32:26.934 --> 00:32:30.738
Of me in school.
00:32:30.738 --> 00:32:32.206
But finally, uh, he started to take a little more interest.
00:32:32.206 --> 00:32:36.310
I think i was about 17,
00:32:36.310 --> 00:32:39.480
And i used to call him the greek because he was taking
00:32:40.581 --> 00:32:44.485
Greek at the university, and i made him argyle socks.
00:32:44.485 --> 00:32:49.857
That was the first thing.
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♪♪
00:32:53.428 --> 00:33:04.705
I was working at my home church, and the youth workers
00:33:04.705 --> 00:33:08.643
Wanted to have a big contest for the young people.
00:33:08.643 --> 00:33:11.646
And my best friend martha had known ed at wheaton and as my
00:33:11.646 --> 00:33:16.350
Special friend, she said, and wow, would i ever like to see
00:33:16.350 --> 00:33:19.120
Him again.
00:33:19.120 --> 00:33:20.588
And so the church wrote to him, and he came, and martha was all
00:33:20.588 --> 00:33:25.093
Dressed up, and it was a snowy, snowy day.
00:33:25.093 --> 00:33:28.196
And i had to walk to church,
00:33:28.196 --> 00:33:29.931
And i did not feel very dressed up.
00:33:29.931 --> 00:33:32.633
But when he left, he wrote me back.
00:33:32.633 --> 00:33:37.672
And instead of martha, he was tall and handsome.
00:33:37.672 --> 00:33:42.009
He was had a great sense of humor, and i knew he'd been
00:33:42.009 --> 00:33:46.147
Popular in school.
00:33:46.147 --> 00:33:47.048
President of his class at wheaton.
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I wasn't thinking of getting married at that point.
00:33:49.684 --> 00:33:52.220
And it was just.
00:33:52.220 --> 00:33:53.588
You made me want to.
00:33:54.055 --> 00:33:57.859
We were both greek majors.
00:33:58.426 --> 00:34:00.261
We saw each other every day.
00:34:00.862 --> 00:34:02.964
Every once in a while, he'd come along and he'd just slap
00:34:02.964 --> 00:34:05.533
His books down on the table, and he'd sit down next to me
00:34:05.533 --> 00:34:07.902
And he'd say, well, where are we today?
00:34:07.902 --> 00:34:09.670
I said, what do you mean, where are we?
00:34:09.670 --> 00:34:11.172
You know, i'm on this page and
00:34:11.172 --> 00:34:12.807
You're six pages behind or something.
00:34:12.807 --> 00:34:15.009
So he he just decided that we
00:34:15.009 --> 00:34:17.245
Were going to learn greek together.
00:34:17.245 --> 00:34:22.049
He asked me to walk with him one evening, and we found
00:34:23.117 --> 00:34:26.187
Ourselves walking into a cemetery
00:34:26.187 --> 00:34:29.190
And without even realizing it, we sat down on a stone slab.
00:34:29.190 --> 00:34:34.829
We sat in silence most of the time, and we were just in an
00:34:34.829 --> 00:34:38.399
Agony, both of us, because we didn't know what our future
00:34:38.399 --> 00:34:41.035
Would be.
00:34:41.035 --> 00:34:42.170
And
00:34:42.370 --> 00:34:44.372
I suddenly realized that this the moon had risen behind us
00:34:44.372 --> 00:34:49.143
And was casting the shadow of a cross
00:34:49.143 --> 00:34:53.714
Between us.
00:34:54.048 --> 00:35:01.522
And i did then what i'm doing now i neither one of us could
00:35:02.723 --> 00:35:06.093
Say a word.
00:35:06.093 --> 00:35:09.697
And it was
00:35:09.997 --> 00:35:11.632
Less than a week later that jim took me to the train station in
00:35:11.632 --> 00:35:15.636
Chicago and said goodbye, and we didn't know if we'd see each
00:35:15.636 --> 00:35:19.807
Other ever again.
00:35:19.807 --> 00:35:23.010
The first time i actually saw
00:35:23.644 --> 00:35:24.979
Jim elliot would have been in class.
00:35:24.979 --> 00:35:26.981
He sort of walked in, you know,
00:35:26.981 --> 00:35:28.449
As if he had everything under control.
00:35:28.449 --> 00:35:30.284
He was really a holier than thou type of guy.
00:35:30.284 --> 00:35:32.553
And dating girls, he wouldn't touch a girl, wouldn't look at
00:35:32.553 --> 00:35:35.289
A girl twice.
00:35:35.289 --> 00:35:36.557
He really believed that the highest calling of god was to
00:35:36.557 --> 00:35:38.926
Be celibate.
00:35:38.926 --> 00:35:43.698
He's the kind of guy who never did anything halfway.
00:35:44.765 --> 00:35:47.101
I mean, if he's going to be spiritual, he's just spiritual.
00:35:47.101 --> 00:35:49.036
He can be.
00:35:49.036 --> 00:35:50.338
But if he starts to have fun, then the pendulum would swing
00:35:50.338 --> 00:35:52.940
Totally the opposite extreme.
00:35:52.940 --> 00:35:54.408
He became the life of the party.
00:35:54.408 --> 00:35:55.676
Every class party.
00:35:55.676 --> 00:35:56.811
We always wanted jim elliot to
00:35:56.811 --> 00:35:58.045
Be there in the middle of things.
00:35:58.045 --> 00:35:59.647
These guys were in at wheaton together, for goodness sakes.
00:35:59.647 --> 00:36:03.084
There were all the things that they could think of, uh,
00:36:03.084 --> 00:36:07.622
Probably did.
00:36:07.989 --> 00:36:09.223
And jim was into so many
00:36:09.724 --> 00:36:11.993
Things, and jim was always into trouble
00:36:11.993 --> 00:36:15.630
Because he was, you know, he was a wrestler.
00:36:16.530 --> 00:36:18.733
He was one of the boys.
00:36:18.733 --> 00:36:20.167
But when he began to fall in love with betty, he didn't know
00:36:20.167 --> 00:36:23.104
How to handle this.
00:36:23.104 --> 00:36:24.171
He was so embarrassed over the
00:36:24.171 --> 00:36:25.606
Big deal he'd made about being celibate.
00:36:25.606 --> 00:36:28.175
He falls in love and he doesn't know how to handle it.
00:36:28.175 --> 00:36:32.980
Jim had been very instrumental
00:36:33.614 --> 00:36:36.250
In making ed change his mind completely.
00:36:36.250 --> 00:36:39.754
Ed was going to be a lawyer and
00:36:39.754 --> 00:36:41.989
He was studying, and jim walked in.
00:36:41.989 --> 00:36:44.191
He said, you know, mccully, why
00:36:44.191 --> 00:36:45.526
Don't you put that aside for a while?
00:36:45.526 --> 00:36:47.194
You can think about that if you really feel strongly about it.
00:36:47.194 --> 00:36:49.930
And he said, i would like you to think about becoming a
00:36:49.930 --> 00:36:51.832
Missionary, you know.
00:36:51.832 --> 00:36:53.668
And ed just laughed and thought, oh, that sounds nice,
00:36:53.668 --> 00:36:57.004
But it's not me.
00:36:57.004 --> 00:36:58.739
I'm not going to do anything like that.
00:36:58.739 --> 00:37:00.508
Jim and ed would get together and they could pull off the
00:37:00.508 --> 00:37:03.711
Craziest stunts.
00:37:03.711 --> 00:37:05.313
We'd get on a bus together and talking in loud voices like
00:37:05.313 --> 00:37:08.883
Drunks, you know?
00:37:08.883 --> 00:37:09.884
Oh, come on, jim, where are we going today?
00:37:09.884 --> 00:37:11.886
You know, flopping down in the seat of the bus and everybody
00:37:11.886 --> 00:37:14.522
In the bus thinks, oh, edward said, hey, jim, i ever tell you
00:37:14.522 --> 00:37:18.693
About the three kinds of love?
00:37:18.693 --> 00:37:20.261
And jim would say, no, ed, tell
00:37:20.895 --> 00:37:22.963
Me about the three kinds of love.
00:37:22.963 --> 00:37:25.066
And ed would say, well, jim, first of all, there's a love of
00:37:25.066 --> 00:37:28.336
A mother for her baby, and there's a love of a man and his
00:37:28.336 --> 00:37:32.340
Wife, but there's no love like the love of one drunken bum for
00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:36.544
Another drunken bum.
00:37:36.544 --> 00:37:42.583
He's the kind of speaker that you listen to and never took
00:37:43.751 --> 00:37:46.754
Your eyes off.
00:37:46.754 --> 00:37:49.757
Ed mccully was a great orator.
00:37:50.391 --> 00:37:54.662
He went out to san francisco for the national championship,
00:37:54.662 --> 00:37:57.298
And he won.
00:37:57.298 --> 00:37:58.199
National champion, collegiate orator.
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:03.437
So we met him and took him and threw him in the lake as a, you
00:38:04.605 --> 00:38:07.775
Know, a way to congratulate him.
00:38:07.775 --> 00:38:14.982
This same friend, martha and i
00:38:15.616 --> 00:38:17.251
Had thought about going to hcjb.
00:38:17.251 --> 00:38:19.420
And then when he talked about ecuador,
00:38:19.420 --> 00:38:22.623
I was happy to go to the jungle.
00:38:23.257 --> 00:38:31.098
A plane crashed in the jungles of ecuador, and nate was the
00:38:32.266 --> 00:38:37.271
Only one on their books that had both the qualifications of
00:38:37.271 --> 00:38:42.443
Being a pilot and a mechanic, and they contacted nate at
00:38:42.443 --> 00:38:46.914
Wheaton and asked him if he would finish his studies at the
00:38:46.914 --> 00:38:51.652
End of that semester, and if we would get married six
00:38:51.652 --> 00:38:56.457
Months earlier and go to
00:38:56.457 --> 00:38:58.626
Ecuador and replace this airplane.
00:38:58.626 --> 00:39:01.429
We had the credentials where he could have taught, uh,
00:39:02.496 --> 00:39:06.867
Literature in a university, and he was planning to go to fuller
00:39:06.867 --> 00:39:11.605
For three years, and i would finish off my university
00:39:11.605 --> 00:39:15.509
Training and
00:39:15.509 --> 00:39:18.212
Everything changed.
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:20.481
Jim elliott appeared on the picture.
00:39:20.481 --> 00:39:23.517
And i could see when she would tell about pete going to see
00:39:23.517 --> 00:39:26.687
Jim, and then he'd come back and he'd break his engagement
00:39:26.687 --> 00:39:28.989
With her.
00:39:28.989 --> 00:39:29.824
I knew exactly what had happened.
00:39:29.824 --> 00:39:31.258
It was the same old story, you know, he'd make pete feel like
00:39:31.258 --> 00:39:34.862
This is not the right thing.
00:39:34.862 --> 00:39:36.096
You ought to be single like the rest of us.
00:39:36.096 --> 00:39:38.499
I remember it was august, the
00:39:38.499 --> 00:39:39.867
End of august when he told me this
00:39:39.867 --> 00:39:42.470
In 1951.
00:39:42.736 --> 00:39:44.905
And then he and jim left in january of 52
00:39:45.806 --> 00:39:49.610
And arrived in ecuador.
00:39:50.110 --> 00:39:52.112
And betty howard arrived a couple of months later.
00:39:52.112 --> 00:40:12.766
It wasn't easy leaving my parents.
00:40:13.534 --> 00:40:16.403
I was the oldest daughter, the first one to be married, and i
00:40:16.403 --> 00:40:19.740
Had made them grandparents.
00:40:19.740 --> 00:40:21.308
Steve was like nine months old when we left.
00:40:21.308 --> 00:40:24.812
There was a terrible flood in at scandia.
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.682
Ed mccully and mary lou were going down after that flood.
00:40:28.682 --> 00:40:32.820
Jim and betty decided to get married.
00:40:32.820 --> 00:40:35.956
So we were there almost six months, and jim felt that god
00:40:37.124 --> 00:40:41.028
Had given him the green light to ask me to marry him.
00:40:41.028 --> 00:40:44.131
He said, but i'm not going to
00:40:44.131 --> 00:40:45.299
Marry you until you learn quechua.
00:40:45.299 --> 00:40:48.068
So i had learned spanish first and safiki second.
00:40:48.068 --> 00:40:50.871
Now i had to learn quechua.
00:40:50.871 --> 00:40:53.707
Then i get a letter from pete.
00:40:54.341 --> 00:40:58.746
He asked me to marry him.
00:40:59.313 --> 00:41:10.157
Nate came in and put a diesel in and we had a radio
00:41:11.191 --> 00:41:16.196
And ed was excited.
00:41:16.664 --> 00:41:18.766
We get to listen to the hit parade on saturday night.
00:41:18.766 --> 00:41:22.670
We'll just leave the electricity on a little bit
00:41:22.670 --> 00:41:24.838
Longer, and i'm going to teach
00:41:24.838 --> 00:41:26.106
You how to dance. ed loved to dance.
00:41:26.106 --> 00:41:29.009
His mother thought he was not going to heaven when he went to
00:41:29.009 --> 00:41:32.046
Dances, but he loved to dance.
00:41:32.046 --> 00:41:34.915
He tried to teach me how to dance, and i could not learn
00:41:34.915 --> 00:41:37.918
How to dance.
00:41:37.918 --> 00:41:39.219
And i said to him, and besides ed, my mother and dad never let
00:41:39.219 --> 00:41:42.856
Us listen to the hit parade.
00:41:42.856 --> 00:41:44.491
Here i am, a missionary out here in the jungle, all by
00:41:44.491 --> 00:41:47.061
Ourselves with my husband.
00:41:47.061 --> 00:41:48.329
And you're trying to teach me how to dance.
00:41:48.329 --> 00:41:55.202
The five families worked at different jungle stations.
00:41:56.303 --> 00:41:59.073
And because dad was their pilot, the common contact was
00:41:59.073 --> 00:42:02.743
Our home in chalmette.
00:42:02.743 --> 00:42:04.912
Missionaries would stay with us
00:42:05.546 --> 00:42:07.014
On their way in and out of the jungle.
00:42:07.014 --> 00:42:18.626
The airplane was the only efficient means of delivering
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.463
Supplies and messages to these remote areas.
00:42:22.463 --> 00:42:28.369
But where there was no airstrip, dad and nate invented
00:42:29.403 --> 00:42:32.206
Ways to deliver the supplies.
00:42:32.206 --> 00:42:37.344
My mother, marge, made radio contact every morning with each
00:42:38.512 --> 00:42:42.049
Station, and was constantly checking the weather and
00:42:42.049 --> 00:42:45.219
Relaying flight conditions back to dad.
00:42:45.219 --> 00:42:48.122
Nate would often fly into a mission station and find
00:42:49.156 --> 00:42:54.862
Somebody that was just needing more care than the missionary
00:42:54.862 --> 00:42:59.600
Could possibly give, so he would fly them out to our base.
00:42:59.600 --> 00:43:04.872
So immediately we began to think of the need of a clinic.
00:43:04.872 --> 00:43:08.876
And then eventually a jungle hospital.
00:43:08.876 --> 00:43:12.646
Nate called in one day and said that there was to be a hospital
00:43:12.646 --> 00:43:16.450
Built in chalmette, and they needed someone to oversee it.
00:43:16.450 --> 00:43:21.088
Roger youderian stayed at our home to help build the
00:43:22.122 --> 00:43:24.658
Hospital, and got to know jim,
00:43:24.658 --> 00:43:27.161
Ed and pete as they came through.
00:43:27.161 --> 00:43:33.734
But then a series of events unfolded that united these five
00:43:34.902 --> 00:43:38.906
Friends and our families in one common purpose.
00:43:38.906 --> 00:43:42.776
And there were two auca girls that had left their tribe.
00:43:43.911 --> 00:43:48.048
Jim decided to walk over there, which took him about six hours
00:43:48.048 --> 00:43:51.318
Or so.
00:43:51.318 --> 00:43:53.420
We really didn't know much of anything about the aucas.
00:43:53.420 --> 00:43:56.156
That was the thing that was so riveting.
00:43:56.156 --> 00:44:00.160
The people who lived in the areas, you know, they would.
00:44:00.160 --> 00:44:02.896
They were scared to death of the aucas.
00:44:02.896 --> 00:44:05.999
My aunt rachel was working in
00:44:06.633 --> 00:44:08.168
Peru with wycliffe bible translators.
00:44:08.168 --> 00:44:11.705
While she was visiting us.
00:44:12.272 --> 00:44:13.540
She heard that there were auca women working at azienda ila
00:44:13.540 --> 00:44:17.177
And went to visit dayumae.
00:44:17.177 --> 00:44:32.693
Rachel arranged to stay in ecuador so that she could learn
00:44:33.827 --> 00:44:37.131
The waodani auca language from dayumae.
00:44:37.131 --> 00:44:40.200
These two women found almost immediate common ground.
00:44:40.200 --> 00:44:43.771
They both liked to talk and especially to tell stories.
00:44:43.771 --> 00:44:47.508
It wasn't long before each one was understanding some of what
00:44:47.508 --> 00:44:50.744
The other one was saying, and aunt rachel began to come to
00:44:50.744 --> 00:44:54.148
Terms with dayumae violent past as she pieced together her
00:44:54.148 --> 00:44:57.785
Complex language.
00:44:57.785 --> 00:44:59.319
This particular day,
00:44:59.319 --> 00:45:00.621
Ed and nate were in the airplane and two quechua
00:45:01.588 --> 00:45:06.026
Indians were in the back seat.
00:45:06.026 --> 00:45:07.628
And all of a sudden the indians
00:45:08.262 --> 00:45:10.798
Said, there they are auca houses.
00:45:10.798 --> 00:45:14.268
And so they lost altitude and came down closer, marked it on
00:45:14.268 --> 00:45:20.073
Their grid map.
00:45:20.073 --> 00:45:25.579
Nate flew into our airstrip one day and we were having lunch
00:45:26.747 --> 00:45:30.617
And he said, hey guys,
00:45:31.118 --> 00:45:34.054
I found the aucas.
00:45:34.488 --> 00:45:36.924
What i want to do now is to get five guys together and tell
00:45:36.924 --> 00:45:42.729
Them one by one what i want to do.
00:45:42.729 --> 00:45:45.766
I said, don't you think it would make much better sense if
00:45:45.766 --> 00:45:49.303
A husband and wife with a baby
00:45:49.303 --> 00:45:51.939
Would go down the river in a canoe?
00:45:51.939 --> 00:45:54.575
They certainly would not feel threatened by a man with his
00:45:54.575 --> 00:45:58.545
Wife and baby.
00:45:58.545 --> 00:46:00.080
I said, i'm willing to do it, jim.
00:46:00.080 --> 00:46:01.849
Are you willing to do it?
00:46:01.849 --> 00:46:02.749
Jim said, i think it's a great idea.
00:46:02.749 --> 00:46:04.985
And he listened very intently and very politely.
00:46:04.985 --> 00:46:08.956
And then he said, no.
00:46:09.456 --> 00:46:16.763
They found the aucas and they were all joyful about it.
00:46:17.898 --> 00:46:20.734
And i wasn't all that excited, i was fearful.
00:46:20.734 --> 00:46:31.478
One motivation that we had of thinking that we might be a
00:46:32.646 --> 00:46:37.351
Part in reaching these people that were just known to all
00:46:37.351 --> 00:46:41.121
Outsiders as killers, was that we had the modern missionary
00:46:41.121 --> 00:46:46.560
Mule, the airplane.
00:46:46.560 --> 00:46:56.703
While nate had been at college, he was dangling a pencil on the
00:46:57.905 --> 00:47:03.076
End of a short string.
00:47:03.076 --> 00:47:04.845
One day, and as he made the circles smaller up above.
00:47:04.845 --> 00:47:09.483
Pretty soon the pencil just almost stood still, and he
00:47:09.483 --> 00:47:13.253
Said, someday when i'm a mission pilot, i'm going to use
00:47:13.253 --> 00:47:17.724
That idea so that i can make contact with people who are
00:47:17.724 --> 00:47:22.629
Isolated in their little spot in the jungles.
00:47:22.629 --> 00:47:48.722
For 13 weeks, they took gifts to the indians.
00:47:49.656 --> 00:48:06.006
And after the first week, the indians took their gift off the
00:48:07.207 --> 00:48:12.346
End of the line and tied on one of their baskets.
00:48:12.346 --> 00:48:17.451
The fellows came flying back as fast as they could come.
00:48:17.451 --> 00:48:22.789
They landed, jumped out of the airplane, ran back.
00:48:22.789 --> 00:48:26.093
And in that basket was a live bird.
00:48:26.093 --> 00:48:48.915
By september of 1955, tensions that had built up between the
00:48:50.117 --> 00:48:54.021
Government and the oil company
00:48:54.021 --> 00:48:56.089
And the waodani were at a breaking point.
00:48:56.089 --> 00:48:58.558
They were killing oil company people and oil company people
00:48:58.558 --> 00:49:01.962
Were killing them.
00:49:01.962 --> 00:49:03.663
And how long could this go on?
00:49:03.663 --> 00:49:06.566
Our families hope that a face to face, peaceful contact could
00:49:07.768 --> 00:49:10.971
Be made with the waodani
00:49:10.971 --> 00:49:12.506
Before this, isolated violence moved to a much bigger scale.
00:49:12.506 --> 00:49:17.144
When the flights were accepted so well, when when they began
00:49:17.144 --> 00:49:21.014
Sending back gifts, it was like, you know, maybe this is
00:49:21.014 --> 00:49:25.052
What they've been waiting for.
00:49:25.052 --> 00:49:26.219
Somebody to show them that they care about them.
00:49:26.219 --> 00:49:31.425
Nate had located a sandbar near their houses that he thought he
00:49:32.626 --> 00:49:38.799
Could land on.
00:49:38.799 --> 00:49:40.834
The first time i met roger was out in pungo.
00:49:41.735 --> 00:49:45.172
Nate flew him out to see us.
00:49:45.172 --> 00:49:48.375
They went over the new tribes
00:49:49.009 --> 00:49:52.746
Mission magazine, which described
00:49:52.746 --> 00:49:55.449
The five men that were killed in 1943,
00:49:56.249 --> 00:49:59.486
In bolivia.
00:49:59.820 --> 00:50:01.254
So they were trying to figure out how they could do things
00:50:01.254 --> 00:50:04.024
Differently than what they did.
00:50:04.024 --> 00:50:06.493
Rachel saint had come.
00:50:06.993 --> 00:50:08.261
She was living with nate and marge at that christmas time,
00:50:08.261 --> 00:50:13.033
And nate had made up his mind that she was not going to know
00:50:13.033 --> 00:50:16.203
Anything at all about this.
00:50:16.203 --> 00:50:18.305
And when he told me that, i said, but, nate, you can't do
00:50:19.473 --> 00:50:23.043
That to your sister.
00:50:23.043 --> 00:50:24.778
He said, you don't know my sister.
00:50:24.778 --> 00:50:28.715
The only time the four couples were together
00:50:29.649 --> 00:50:34.788
Was just before
00:50:35.155 --> 00:50:37.624
The fellows went out to the aucas.
00:50:38.391 --> 00:50:41.161
It was christmas time, and marylou and ed had invited all
00:50:42.295 --> 00:50:45.298
Of us missionaries to come and have christmas with them.
00:50:45.298 --> 00:50:49.035
I guess all of us were either sitting around, some of the
00:50:49.035 --> 00:50:51.872
Others were having naps, and
00:50:51.872 --> 00:50:53.840
After an hour or so, we heard rustling in the room where ed
00:50:55.041 --> 00:50:58.545
Was, and
00:50:58.545 --> 00:51:00.380
He came to the door and he just looked like a zombie.
00:51:00.380 --> 00:51:04.284
I mean, he was just cross-eyed standing there, this tall, huge
00:51:04.284 --> 00:51:08.021
Guy, and without any warning whatsoever, he just fell
00:51:08.021 --> 00:51:12.993
Headlong on the floor, just flat.
00:51:12.993 --> 00:51:15.829
And mary lou just jumped, you know?
00:51:16.630 --> 00:51:18.732
And all of us just were aghast.
00:51:18.732 --> 00:51:22.269
But then mary lou, she just sat back in her chair and she
00:51:22.269 --> 00:51:25.038
Started to laugh and laugh and laugh and she said, get up off
00:51:25.038 --> 00:51:28.675
The floor, will you?
00:51:28.675 --> 00:51:29.809
And he gets up and just laughs, laughs his head off.
00:51:29.809 --> 00:51:35.582
One evening, jim and ed started telling stories and they went
00:51:36.783 --> 00:51:42.789
On and on and they were so funny.
00:51:42.789 --> 00:51:45.592
But in the way they were telling them, they really were
00:51:45.592 --> 00:51:48.595
Making fun of betty.
00:51:48.595 --> 00:51:50.797
And the more upset she got, the more everybody laughed because
00:51:50.797 --> 00:51:55.936
She was the serious one.
00:51:55.936 --> 00:51:57.871
When you got jim and ed
00:51:57.871 --> 00:52:00.373
Together, it was just hilarious.
00:52:00.373 --> 00:52:12.652
It must have been that last christmas, because i doubt if i
00:52:13.820 --> 00:52:16.022
Would have remembered the christmas previous to that.
00:52:16.022 --> 00:52:19.392
I remember we got, um, cathy got a red blanket, and i got a
00:52:19.392 --> 00:52:23.930
Green blanket.
00:52:23.930 --> 00:52:25.198
But i also remember that that i didn't get
00:52:25.198 --> 00:52:28.201
The yellow plane that, um, i had seen dad making.
00:52:29.202 --> 00:52:33.840
It was clearly just like the pa 14, and i was sure that that
00:52:35.008 --> 00:52:40.480
Was that?
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:41.948
That was for me.
00:52:41.948 --> 00:52:43.283
And it kind of wondered about that.
00:52:44.050 --> 00:52:46.219
Uh, jim had made a tree house to that was to be flown in just
00:52:46.219 --> 00:52:50.657
Piece by piece.
00:52:50.657 --> 00:52:52.125
Um, mary lou and i were making bread and different things to
00:52:52.125 --> 00:52:55.962
Send along with them.
00:52:55.962 --> 00:52:57.530
I thought, i can't, uh, keep my husband home just because i
00:52:57.530 --> 00:53:03.270
Have a fear.
00:53:03.270 --> 00:53:04.938
But pete had kind of dragged his feet about going, uh,
00:53:06.006 --> 00:53:11.211
Because i had just come down to the jungles,
00:53:12.112 --> 00:53:16.516
And i was fearful, and he knew it.
00:53:17.284 --> 00:53:21.087
And i went for a little walk.
00:53:21.721 --> 00:53:23.757
It was at elliot's house.
00:53:23.757 --> 00:53:25.892
And i said, ed, it doesn't sound to me like jim or pete
00:53:25.892 --> 00:53:32.299
And maybe even nate are as
00:53:32.299 --> 00:53:34.668
Are as sure as you are, that everything's going to be safe,
00:53:35.835 --> 00:53:40.940
Because when they were talking about guns and whether they
00:53:40.940 --> 00:53:43.410
Would take a gun and what they would use a gun for, and.
00:53:43.410 --> 00:53:46.313
Nate left our aviation base on late monday afternoon.
00:53:47.414 --> 00:53:53.219
I can remember getting his clothes ready and sending some
00:53:53.219 --> 00:53:57.824
Extra food.
00:53:57.824 --> 00:53:59.092
We've been in on this thing together so much, there was no
00:53:59.092 --> 00:54:01.528
Reason for him to say anything special to me.
00:54:01.528 --> 00:54:04.798
And the day came when i saw jim with his pack on his back.
00:54:05.965 --> 00:54:11.871
And he opened that door, and he walked out of there, and he
00:54:11.871 --> 00:54:16.042
Slammed that door behind him, just exuberant because nate had
00:54:16.042 --> 00:54:20.747
Flown in.
00:54:20.747 --> 00:54:22.549
And i thought to myself, chances are i'm not going to
00:54:22.549 --> 00:54:26.286
See him again.
00:54:26.286 --> 00:54:28.488
We were in the bedroom and we just talked about our life,
00:54:28.488 --> 00:54:31.458
Talked about the children, and, um, he kissed the children
00:54:31.458 --> 00:54:35.729
Goodbye and told them that he'd be back soon.
00:54:35.729 --> 00:54:38.264
And he kissed me goodbye.
00:54:38.264 --> 00:54:39.299
And he says, i'll see you.
00:54:39.299 --> 00:54:40.734
And left.
00:54:41.034 --> 00:54:43.370
I don't remember thinking much about the danger of it at all.
00:54:43.370 --> 00:54:47.207
But one thought crossed my mind as nate taxied out from the
00:54:47.207 --> 00:54:52.746
Hangar in front of our house.
00:54:52.746 --> 00:54:54.781
I wonder if i'll ever see that little airplane taxi out again.
00:54:54.781 --> 00:55:02.055
And i never did.
00:55:02.422 --> 00:55:16.836
On friday, january 6th three, walden appeared at the camp
00:55:18.004 --> 00:55:21.641
That the five men had called palm beach.
00:55:21.641 --> 00:55:24.444
This is actual footage from that first encounter.
00:55:25.445 --> 00:55:29.449
They named the man george and
00:55:30.083 --> 00:55:31.651
The younger of the two women, delilah.
00:55:31.651 --> 00:55:36.089
Notes from dad's pocket journal.
00:55:36.723 --> 00:55:38.825
Tell what happened that day.
00:55:38.825 --> 00:55:41.127
Ed up the beach jim at the far end.
00:55:41.928 --> 00:55:44.464
Roger in between 11:15.
00:55:44.464 --> 00:55:47.033
Heart jumps.
00:55:47.367 --> 00:55:49.402
Jim helps them into the water and across. lunch. talk.
00:55:49.402 --> 00:55:55.108
Present model plane. cameras.
00:55:55.108 --> 00:55:57.944
No trouble.
00:55:57.944 --> 00:55:58.678
Take pictures of younger women.
00:55:58.678 --> 00:56:01.981
The girl peering up under the cowling and rubbing her skin
00:56:01.981 --> 00:56:05.985
Against the smooth plane fabric
00:56:05.985 --> 00:56:07.987
And swatting flies on the elevator.
00:56:07.987 --> 00:56:11.357
Roger coats man with repellent.
00:56:11.357 --> 00:56:14.727
Asked for plane ride.
00:56:15.228 --> 00:56:16.796
Ed puts sweatshirt on him, showed no fear.
00:56:16.796 --> 00:56:21.901
Recognizes home.
00:56:21.901 --> 00:56:23.837
Calls again and again around.
00:56:24.471 --> 00:56:26.906
Expression of delight on face of young man on the platform
00:56:26.906 --> 00:56:47.427
Scene of showing with model.
00:56:48.027 --> 00:56:50.196
The need for an airstrip.
00:56:50.196 --> 00:57:00.974
Not easily distracted or alarmed
00:57:01.608 --> 00:57:05.345
4:15.
00:57:05.578 --> 00:57:06.513
Decide to fly again.
00:57:06.513 --> 00:57:08.081
George decides to go along.
00:57:08.081 --> 00:57:09.949
We say no.
00:57:09.949 --> 00:57:11.384
He puts his machete and envelope of valuables in and
00:57:12.452 --> 00:57:16.723
Looks at pete as though he had already said it was okay and
00:57:16.723 --> 00:57:21.160
Climbed in.
00:57:21.160 --> 00:57:22.862
On the way over, we finally got marge.
00:57:22.862 --> 00:57:26.466
Great rejoicing
00:57:26.466 --> 00:57:28.334
All 3 wives were on the radio.
00:57:28.968 --> 00:57:31.971
It was an off frequency, but mary lou and i were on one and
00:57:31.971 --> 00:57:35.909
Elizabeth was on another, and
00:57:35.909 --> 00:57:37.243
Olive and marge were on another.
00:57:37.243 --> 00:57:39.279
And so we could talk to each other and talk to the fellows.
00:57:39.279 --> 00:57:42.181
So it was exciting when nate told us that they had contact
00:57:42.181 --> 00:57:47.287
And that they were right there with him.
00:57:47.287 --> 00:57:50.823
Careful inspection of little plane with evident delight
00:57:50.823 --> 00:57:55.194
After second ride by george.
00:57:55.194 --> 00:57:57.864
George seemed to understand he
00:57:58.498 --> 00:57:59.899
Couldn't go when pete got his seat.
00:57:59.899 --> 00:58:02.335
As we got ready for our return to centerville.
00:58:02.335 --> 00:58:05.638
Finally little gal walked off down the playa.
00:58:06.606 --> 00:58:09.442
Man called to her.
00:58:09.442 --> 00:58:11.244
She kept going.
00:58:11.244 --> 00:58:13.613
He followed her into the forest.
00:58:13.613 --> 00:58:15.148
Old woman stays by the fire,
00:58:15.148 --> 00:58:17.450
Talking a blue streak with roger.
00:58:17.450 --> 00:58:21.988
That night, nate was able to tell mary lou and i more about
00:58:23.156 --> 00:58:26.993
It, because he flew the plane
00:58:26.993 --> 00:58:28.461
Home every night to keep it safe.
00:58:28.461 --> 00:58:30.897
So we got in on a lot of the details.
00:58:30.897 --> 00:58:33.499
Perhaps that the others didn't at that time at least.
00:58:33.499 --> 00:58:38.838
The waodani told me later that george's real name was named
00:58:40.006 --> 00:58:43.109
Nenkiwi and delilah's was gimade
00:58:43.109 --> 00:58:45.445
Nenkiwi wanted to marry gimade and
00:58:46.179 --> 00:58:49.549
Gimade's brother nampa was angry about it.
00:58:49.549 --> 00:58:51.918
Nenkiwi's first wife had been speared.
00:58:52.752 --> 00:58:55.288
He drowned the second one and had already taken another
00:58:55.288 --> 00:58:58.758
Before demanding gimade, who was dayumae's sister.
00:58:58.758 --> 00:59:03.363
She had come to the beach because she wanted them to take
00:59:04.497 --> 00:59:07.133
Her to see dayumae.
00:59:07.133 --> 00:59:08.968
The older woman was mintaka. gimade's and nenkiwi's
00:59:08.968 --> 00:59:12.505
Self-appointed chaperon.
00:59:12.505 --> 00:59:15.608
How excited they were about george flying in the plane and
00:59:16.776 --> 00:59:20.880
Eating their hamburgers, and
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.216
The two women being there.
00:59:23.783 --> 00:59:26.052
And then saturday they flew out again.
00:59:26.886 --> 00:59:32.492
Saturday, january 7th.
00:59:32.992 --> 00:59:34.794
The five fellows waited patiently for another visit.
00:59:34.794 --> 00:59:38.097
They were unaware of the turmoil that was going on
00:59:38.097 --> 00:59:40.533
Inside the tribe.
00:59:40.533 --> 01:00:09.062
The family group caught
01:00:09.562 --> 01:00:10.630
Cotton and kiwi coming back
01:00:10.630 --> 01:00:12.765
From palm beach without mintaka.
01:00:12.765 --> 01:00:14.834
Their chaperon in nampa flew into a rage.
01:00:14.834 --> 01:00:18.905
So nan kiwi lied and said that they were only alone because
01:00:18.905 --> 01:00:21.941
They had to flee from the foreigners who were going to
01:00:21.941 --> 01:00:24.410
Kill them.
01:00:24.410 --> 01:01:19.532
♪♪
01:01:19.766 --> 01:01:44.290
And sunday it peaked.
01:01:44.791 --> 01:01:47.426
His last words, i believe, were pray girls.
01:01:47.426 --> 01:01:50.930
I don't know why he called us girls, but we were
01:01:50.930 --> 01:01:53.166
Younger then.
01:01:53.166 --> 01:01:54.400
Pray, girls, i'm sure this is the day.
01:01:54.400 --> 01:02:06.479
That was the day.
01:02:06.913 --> 01:02:10.983
That night i had a dream.
01:02:11.551 --> 01:02:13.553
I saw the plane and i saw the bodies around the plane.
01:02:13.553 --> 01:02:17.857
And i just woke up in...
01:02:18.357 --> 01:02:21.828
In great fear.
01:02:22.195 --> 01:02:29.302
I didn't hear dad when mom called for him on the radio.
01:02:30.403 --> 01:02:34.574
He did not respond and i had never heard that before.
01:02:34.574 --> 01:02:38.778
And the next thing i knew, mom was asking me to run to the
01:02:38.778 --> 01:02:43.049
Next door neighbors.
01:02:43.049 --> 01:02:45.151
He was a pilot that flew with dad, and she wanted me to ask
01:02:45.151 --> 01:02:48.855
His wife if she could get dad on the radio.
01:02:48.855 --> 01:02:53.693
And i thought that was very strange.
01:02:53.693 --> 01:02:56.362
And then on on the sunday night that, uh, roger was supposed to
01:02:57.563 --> 01:03:02.635
Come out and spend the night with us.
01:03:02.635 --> 01:03:05.438
Um, he never did.
01:03:05.438 --> 01:03:08.174
Betty was not quite four.
01:03:08.741 --> 01:03:10.376
Years old, but she had a special dress that she'd
01:03:10.376 --> 01:03:12.912
Brought with her.
01:03:12.912 --> 01:03:14.447
And they got dressed up and they went out to the airstrip
01:03:14.447 --> 01:03:17.650
Expecting the plane about the same time they usually come,
01:03:17.650 --> 01:03:20.753
Which would be before dark.
01:03:20.753 --> 01:03:22.388
We went down to the to the strip.
01:03:23.122 --> 01:03:25.458
Beth and jerry and i, and we waited and waited and there was
01:03:25.458 --> 01:03:29.195
Just no no plane that came in.
01:03:29.195 --> 01:03:37.403
There were some visitors there that night, and we couldn't let
01:03:38.571 --> 01:03:41.374
Anybody know
01:03:41.374 --> 01:03:43.142
What was going on.
01:03:43.576 --> 01:03:45.044
We could not say anything about where the fellas were.
01:03:45.044 --> 01:03:49.682
And marge had promised this woman that she was going to do
01:03:49.682 --> 01:03:52.785
Her hair.
01:03:52.785 --> 01:03:54.053
And so she went ahead and did her hair that night.
01:03:54.053 --> 01:03:56.689
You know, everything was just the same.
01:03:56.689 --> 01:03:59.425
Johnny keenan, the only other pilot who knew anything about
01:04:00.626 --> 01:04:03.896
What was going on, was on the strip by 7:00 in the morning.
01:04:03.896 --> 01:04:08.267
So he looked at me and he said, barb, you've got to go and help
01:04:08.267 --> 01:04:11.704
Me search.
01:04:11.704 --> 01:04:13.072
I remember looking down into the water.
01:04:13.072 --> 01:04:16.242
I can still see that plane right there?
01:04:16.242 --> 01:04:18.778
Roger was not there.
01:04:19.245 --> 01:04:20.646
I just felt like roger was safe someplace.
01:04:20.646 --> 01:04:23.749
Finally, johnny said, well, our gas load is getting low, so
01:04:23.749 --> 01:04:27.820
I've got to leave for now.
01:04:27.820 --> 01:04:29.455
And so we went back and landed.
01:04:29.455 --> 01:04:32.825
I got my two children, and marylou got her two children.
01:04:32.825 --> 01:04:37.263
When i left, i made sure that there was some food in the
01:04:38.397 --> 01:04:42.201
Refrigerator and i left a note on the door.
01:04:42.201 --> 01:04:45.404
I hope some of you will will come out.
01:04:45.404 --> 01:04:47.573
I hope some of you will make your way here.
01:04:47.573 --> 01:04:49.542
And the first aid kits right
01:04:49.542 --> 01:04:51.143
Here, and all the foods in the refrigerator.
01:04:51.143 --> 01:04:53.479
And then johnny flew us all back to shore where marge and
01:04:54.647 --> 01:04:58.751
Olive were staying.
01:04:58.751 --> 01:05:05.725
Maf had a radio network in the jungle, and marge handled that.
01:05:06.892 --> 01:05:11.530
Every morning she would go from one station to another station.
01:05:11.530 --> 01:05:16.235
But this morning she went right straight to me and she said.
01:05:16.235 --> 01:05:22.141
Something's happened to our husbands.
01:05:22.908 --> 01:05:25.811
They down in auca territory, and they had a good contact
01:05:25.811 --> 01:05:30.182
With the indians, but they were supposed to call us yesterday
01:05:30.182 --> 01:05:33.753
Afternoon and we haven't heard a thing from them.
01:05:33.753 --> 01:05:38.391
She said, would you be willing to go down there and see if you
01:05:38.391 --> 01:05:43.729
Could help?
01:05:43.729 --> 01:05:44.530
Marge
01:05:44.764 --> 01:05:45.931
Asked us to come back on, and
01:05:46.565 --> 01:05:50.403
She said, we have not heard anything from the five men
01:05:50.403 --> 01:05:55.007
Since yesterday.
01:05:55.007 --> 01:05:56.842
And rachel was sitting right there, and she shot up off that
01:05:56.842 --> 01:06:00.479
Sofa, and she said, are those guys in auca territory?
01:06:00.479 --> 01:06:07.053
When mom announced that the five men were out of contact, a
01:06:08.220 --> 01:06:11.457
Search plan was put together.
01:06:11.457 --> 01:06:13.959
Word spread through the missionary community, and
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:17.363
Telegrams were sent back to relatives in the states.
01:06:17.363 --> 01:06:21.333
Because the operation had been a secret, the telegrams were
01:06:21.333 --> 01:06:24.737
The first warning most of the parents had that their sons
01:06:24.737 --> 01:06:27.606
Were even in waodani territory.
01:06:27.606 --> 01:06:29.809
Hcjb, a radio station in quito, started sending out shortwave
01:06:31.010 --> 01:06:35.114
Reports that were then rebroadcast by nbc in new york.
01:06:35.114 --> 01:06:40.619
Yesterday, the voice of the andes was notified via
01:06:41.654 --> 01:06:44.890
Shortwave messages through the ecuador jungle radio network
01:06:44.890 --> 01:06:50.496
That five missionaries who were making a survey in dangerous
01:06:50.496 --> 01:06:55.134
Indian territory had been out of radio contact with their
01:06:55.134 --> 01:06:59.138
Base for over 24 hours.
01:06:59.138 --> 01:07:02.942
It was reported that the missionary aviation fellowship
01:07:02.942 --> 01:07:06.078
Plane that flew them in had been spotted from the air on a
01:07:06.078 --> 01:07:13.519
Riverbank or the beach of a small island in the river.
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:20.826
The news got national attention as people everywhere seemed to
01:07:21.994 --> 01:07:25.431
Wait to hear about the fate of these five men.
01:07:25.431 --> 01:07:28.334
Cornell capa was sent down from life magazine to join the
01:07:28.334 --> 01:07:31.537
Search party and to cover the unfolding story.
01:07:31.537 --> 01:07:37.176
I was in panama for a meeting,
01:07:37.810 --> 01:07:41.380
And while there.
01:07:41.747 --> 01:07:43.449
Major general reuben hood called us into his office,
01:07:43.449 --> 01:07:48.020
Explained the situation, and he said, nirenberg, you go down
01:07:48.020 --> 01:07:51.657
There and find those people and do what you can to aid them.
01:07:51.657 --> 01:07:55.561
We landed at shell and i couldn't believe it.
01:07:55.561 --> 01:07:58.797
How many people were already there?
01:07:58.797 --> 01:08:01.867
People came down from quito and then the national people
01:08:01.867 --> 01:08:05.304
Started here, and they started to come.
01:08:05.304 --> 01:08:06.972
And the soldiers from the base there came and it was just.
01:08:06.972 --> 01:08:12.111
And those huge airplanes from panama had come.
01:08:12.111 --> 01:08:53.852
It really hit me that something
01:08:54.486 --> 01:08:56.889
Very big was happening in our home.
01:08:56.889 --> 01:08:58.390
Because there were people everywhere.
01:08:58.390 --> 01:09:00.859
I'm sure my little mind didn't wrap around all the
01:09:00.859 --> 01:09:04.063
Significance that was going on, but i did sit down with a
01:09:04.063 --> 01:09:07.866
Little piece of paper and some colored pencils, and drew a
01:09:07.866 --> 01:09:12.438
Picture of the jungles with all the hills and mountains.
01:09:12.438 --> 01:09:15.407
Then i took a red pencil and marked spots all over the
01:09:15.407 --> 01:09:19.345
Jungles, and i wrote either on the back or the bottom, that
01:09:19.345 --> 01:09:24.950
People should look for my dad in the spots that i had marked
01:09:24.950 --> 01:09:27.886
With the red pencil.
01:09:27.886 --> 01:09:30.889
So there was quechua on each canoe we had five canoes,
01:09:31.957 --> 01:09:36.895
And there were soldiers in each canoe, and they had guns, and
01:09:36.895 --> 01:09:41.100
They were sticking out each side with a gun.
01:09:41.100 --> 01:09:44.003
It looked like the spanish armada coming down the river.
01:09:44.003 --> 01:09:47.740
When i first saw the airplane
01:09:48.374 --> 01:09:50.342
That had been hacked up, i felt that they they were all dead.
01:09:51.543 --> 01:09:56.682
I shot into the jungle
01:09:57.182 --> 01:09:59.151
Just to make sure that the people knew that i was there.
01:10:00.286 --> 01:10:03.555
They radioed from the helicopter telling us that
01:10:04.556 --> 01:10:08.193
There's some indians coming, and i see right away they're
01:10:08.193 --> 01:10:11.930
Quechua indians.
01:10:11.930 --> 01:10:13.132
They said, we've been down to the beach.
01:10:13.132 --> 01:10:15.567
Ed mccully, we found him and he's dead.
01:10:15.567 --> 01:10:19.705
And here's his big shoe.
01:10:20.205 --> 01:10:21.940
And i guess it was his wristwatch.
01:10:21.940 --> 01:10:24.910
So i walked into the jungle, uh, found the treehouse,
01:10:25.944 --> 01:10:29.948
Climbed up into it.
01:10:29.948 --> 01:10:31.317
I felt at the time that these indians had been up there.
01:10:31.317 --> 01:11:06.085
I thought, now if they're dead, then i'm going to have to see
01:11:07.286 --> 01:11:10.556
Dead people and they're going to be my friends.
01:11:10.556 --> 01:11:12.925
And i'll it's going to be hard for me.
01:11:12.925 --> 01:11:15.194
I, oh.
01:11:15.194 --> 01:11:21.700
Well...
01:11:21.934 --> 01:11:23.936
He came around the corner and the indians saw the plane first
01:11:23.936 --> 01:11:28.307
And they yelled, airplane! airplane!
01:11:28.307 --> 01:11:31.343
Frank,
01:11:31.577 --> 01:11:33.379
Regardless of how you feel, you got to go.
01:11:33.379 --> 01:11:36.515
Well, i'm leading the party, so what am i going to do?
01:11:37.583 --> 01:11:39.685
I got to organize this thing and get it done.
01:11:39.685 --> 01:11:42.521
And then the helicopter came.
01:11:43.155 --> 01:11:45.958
I didn't know that they'd been there earlier in the morning,
01:11:45.958 --> 01:11:48.961
But they got out and the major nirenberg slapped his leg,
01:11:48.961 --> 01:11:52.965
Meaning i see a leg down in the water.
01:11:52.965 --> 01:11:57.569
♪♪
01:11:57.803 --> 01:12:14.386
I went back to the beach and we flew downstream and saw four of
01:12:14.386 --> 01:12:19.558
The bodies,
01:12:19.558 --> 01:12:20.492
And i took pictures of each body.
01:12:21.260 --> 01:12:26.365
As best i could.
01:12:26.732 --> 01:12:29.134
We didn't know who it was, but they tied a rope on it, and
01:12:30.302 --> 01:12:33.672
Then they found another one, and they pulled him and laid
01:12:33.672 --> 01:12:37.276
Him on the beach there.
01:12:37.276 --> 01:12:39.144
We didn't know who they were.
01:12:39.778 --> 01:12:41.480
They weren't in too good shape.
01:12:41.480 --> 01:12:43.415
So doctor johnston, he started to go over their bodies.
01:12:43.415 --> 01:12:50.422
He measured them and found that one of them was taller than the
01:12:50.422 --> 01:12:55.060
Other one.
01:12:55.060 --> 01:12:56.395
And so we came to the conclusion that one of them was
01:12:56.395 --> 01:13:00.599
Jim elliot and the other was peter fleming.
01:13:00.599 --> 01:13:07.906
The helicopter said, now there's a body down below here.
01:13:09.007 --> 01:13:14.112
But when i got so close i could see it was nate.
01:13:14.112 --> 01:13:24.022
We pulled up.
01:13:24.389 --> 01:13:28.093
Alongside.
01:13:28.393 --> 01:13:30.262
I could see he had a spear right here in his head,
01:13:30.262 --> 01:13:34.366
And he had a cut in his face with a machete.
01:13:35.267 --> 01:13:37.836
Right here.
01:13:37.836 --> 01:13:38.370
I could see that.
01:13:38.370 --> 01:13:41.940
One thing i noticed.
01:13:42.407 --> 01:13:45.143
His wristwatch was not here, but it was clear up here.
01:13:46.211 --> 01:13:50.716
But he always did that.
01:13:51.216 --> 01:13:53.318
Whenever he wanted to remember something, he'd pull his
01:13:53.318 --> 01:13:55.921
Wristwatch up here, i knew that.
01:13:55.921 --> 01:13:59.024
But anyway, you're supposed to tie a rope on him.
01:14:00.058 --> 01:14:02.794
I couldn't do it.
01:14:03.228 --> 01:14:04.329
I tried.
01:14:04.329 --> 01:14:12.971
Couldn't do it.
01:14:13.338 --> 01:14:19.978
So.
01:14:20.178 --> 01:14:27.152
The missionary that was with
01:14:27.753 --> 01:14:28.987
Me, he saw i was having trouble.
01:14:28.987 --> 01:14:33.058
So he said, i'll do it.
01:14:33.559 --> 01:14:34.960
He tied him.
01:14:35.294 --> 01:14:36.461
He pulled him.
01:14:36.828 --> 01:14:40.198
My pilot is gone.
01:14:40.632 --> 01:14:44.303
I felt so badly.
01:14:44.670 --> 01:14:46.471
Terrible.
01:14:46.772 --> 01:14:48.640
But
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:50.142
Hey, you can't feel this way.
01:14:50.776 --> 01:14:53.178
Now get going.
01:14:53.178 --> 01:14:53.845
You gotta get out of here.
01:14:53.845 --> 01:14:55.414
Get these people.
01:14:55.414 --> 01:14:56.448
Do what you can and leave.
01:14:57.015 --> 01:14:59.518
Can't sit here and cry.
01:15:00.018 --> 01:15:01.653
So we did.
01:15:01.954 --> 01:15:03.488
Brought him up to the beach.
01:15:04.089 --> 01:15:05.591
There was jim, there was pete, there was nate.
01:15:05.591 --> 01:15:10.762
And then two others of my missionary friends and the
01:15:11.797 --> 01:15:15.233
Indians had gone way downstream.
01:15:15.233 --> 01:15:17.803
And they had brought roger back.
01:15:17.803 --> 01:15:20.639
And, of course, as soon as i saw him coming, he always wore
01:15:20.639 --> 01:15:23.375
Blue jeans and a t shirt and tennis shoes.
01:15:23.375 --> 01:15:27.279
And i could see right away it was my buddy.
01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:31.383
Got it.
01:15:31.617 --> 01:15:34.720
Walked the trails with me.
01:15:35.287 --> 01:15:38.357
It's gone.
01:15:38.657 --> 01:15:41.159
So we laid him on the beach.
01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:45.263
They had guns with them.
01:15:45.764 --> 01:15:48.133
They had said that they would never kill the aucas, even if
01:15:48.133 --> 01:15:51.670
They attacked them, because they made the straight
01:15:51.670 --> 01:15:55.207
Statement, they're not ready for heaven.
01:15:55.207 --> 01:15:57.676
And we are.
01:15:57.676 --> 01:15:59.745
Some of my missionary colleagues said, we want to go
01:15:59.745 --> 01:16:02.714
And get the canoes, and we want to go downstream and see if we
01:16:02.714 --> 01:16:05.250
Can find ed.
01:16:05.250 --> 01:16:06.151
And i said, no, you're not going to go.
01:16:06.151 --> 01:16:09.554
We know he's dead.
01:16:09.988 --> 01:16:12.024
We know he's dead.
01:16:12.457 --> 01:16:14.459
But if we let one group go and we stay here and the aucas
01:16:14.459 --> 01:16:18.463
Would get between us, then we'd have some more to bury.
01:16:18.463 --> 01:16:21.667
No, we're going to have to let him be.
01:16:22.501 --> 01:16:25.771
So we dug the grave up by the tree house and then.
01:16:26.805 --> 01:16:33.011
Buried them all.
01:16:33.378 --> 01:16:35.847
I had a short funeral service, but while we're having that.
01:16:37.015 --> 01:16:42.287
The rain came over.
01:16:42.754 --> 01:16:44.289
Oh, it just got black, i mean, black.
01:16:44.289 --> 01:16:48.493
It's almost like night.
01:16:48.994 --> 01:16:50.729
The storm was so fierce and so
01:16:50.729 --> 01:16:53.198
Black that the soldiers became frightened.
01:16:53.198 --> 01:16:59.538
I stepped on something in the river.
01:17:00.338 --> 01:17:01.707
I was feeling around, and i felt something under my foot.
01:17:01.707 --> 01:17:05.077
And i reached down and pulled up.
01:17:05.077 --> 01:17:07.879
And guess what?
01:17:07.879 --> 01:17:08.480
It was a camera
01:17:08.480 --> 01:17:10.382
That they had used to take pictures.
01:17:11.149 --> 01:17:14.219
Well, there's a camera, mr. capa said.
01:17:15.053 --> 01:17:18.256
I want that camera.
01:17:18.256 --> 01:17:19.791
I think if it's got film in it
01:17:19.791 --> 01:17:21.593
That i can get it in my laboratory.
01:17:21.593 --> 01:17:24.463
I can copy the pictures that's in it.
01:17:24.463 --> 01:17:28.166
What if one of the guys came out and sometimes you even
01:17:28.166 --> 01:17:31.369
Dreamt that
01:17:31.369 --> 01:17:32.938
That maybe, you know, maybe
01:17:33.538 --> 01:17:35.807
They're going to walk out of there.
01:17:35.807 --> 01:17:37.175
This was all a dream or
01:17:37.175 --> 01:17:38.910
Something, and they're going to come.
01:17:38.910 --> 01:17:41.146
But then one afternoon, while i was putting the children to
01:17:42.347 --> 01:17:45.650
Their down for their nap, marge called me down to the radio
01:17:45.650 --> 01:17:49.821
Room and she told me that all
01:17:49.821 --> 01:17:51.256
Five of the fellows had been found.
01:17:51.256 --> 01:18:03.068
Now, as i talked to the wives afterwards, i felt so badly
01:18:04.236 --> 01:18:08.473
That i couldn't bring their husbands back to home.
01:18:08.473 --> 01:18:17.983
But as i talked to them, i could feel that they were in
01:18:19.084 --> 01:18:24.856
This thing
01:18:24.856 --> 01:18:26.158
Just as much as the men were.
01:18:26.792 --> 01:18:34.900
And then i remember
01:18:35.367 --> 01:18:37.202
Mom telling me that, um.
01:18:37.702 --> 01:18:41.807
I remember her telling me that daddy wasn't coming back.
01:18:42.908 --> 01:18:46.444
And i don't have any memory of being of it being sad.
01:18:46.444 --> 01:18:50.015
It was just mom telling me that daddy wasn't coming back.
01:18:50.015 --> 01:18:53.118
And i wanted to know where, you know, where did he go?
01:18:53.118 --> 01:18:56.822
But i already understood a context that mom and dad
01:18:56.822 --> 01:19:00.659
Believed that.
01:19:00.659 --> 01:19:01.660
That when your body dies.
01:19:01.660 --> 01:19:04.129
But that isn't the end.
01:19:04.129 --> 01:19:06.331
And i think i have a vague memory of cathy, um,
01:19:06.331 --> 01:19:11.369
Going into a different mode.
01:19:11.970 --> 01:19:14.039
Um,
01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:15.040
And i didn't quite understand.
01:19:15.674 --> 01:19:16.875
There was something that she
01:19:16.875 --> 01:19:17.976
Understood that i didn't understand.
01:19:17.976 --> 01:19:20.545
Uh, pete's parents did not know that he was going out to the
01:19:21.713 --> 01:19:25.450
Aucas, and they got this telegram.
01:19:25.450 --> 01:19:30.856
And they couldn't figure it out.
01:19:31.489 --> 01:19:33.525
And just as they were trying to figure this out, the newspeople
01:19:34.726 --> 01:19:39.531
Were at their door wanting to have an interview with them
01:19:39.531 --> 01:19:44.002
About their son.
01:19:44.002 --> 01:19:46.004
Well, we feel confident that with the prayers that are being
01:19:46.004 --> 01:19:52.510
Offered nationwide, that the lord will hear and answer.
01:19:52.510 --> 01:19:58.817
Oh, they were devastated.
01:19:58.817 --> 01:20:00.252
Pete's father was absolutely devastated.
01:20:00.252 --> 01:20:03.855
I wrote to my my parents and roger's parents, but long
01:20:04.923 --> 01:20:08.393
Before our letter got there, they had heard it over the
01:20:08.393 --> 01:20:11.930
Radio and my mom had written me back shortly after she heard,
01:20:11.930 --> 01:20:17.035
And she had told me that if i wanted to come home, that she
01:20:17.035 --> 01:20:21.306
And daddy would, would help take care of the children.
01:20:21.306 --> 01:20:25.977
I thought that was a good idea at first.
01:20:26.845 --> 01:20:29.514
Long before that, i had given
01:20:29.514 --> 01:20:31.049
My heart to the lord to be a missionary.
01:20:31.049 --> 01:20:33.051
So as a missionary, i had to stay.
01:20:33.051 --> 01:20:36.288
We were helping her close up the house.
01:20:36.288 --> 01:20:38.690
I mean, that was very hard on her because i think she really
01:20:38.690 --> 01:20:42.160
Believed that ed was going to come out of the jungles and she
01:20:42.160 --> 01:20:47.966
Wanted to be there for him.
01:20:47.966 --> 01:20:50.435
I get letters from people still from time to time with gifts
01:20:50.435 --> 01:20:54.406
Saying, you know, we pray for you.
01:20:55.173 --> 01:20:57.943
We still pray for you.
01:20:57.943 --> 01:20:58.843
We still pray for your family.
01:20:58.843 --> 01:21:00.245
Trust...
01:21:00.245 --> 01:21:01.479
Trust you're doing well.
01:21:01.980 --> 01:21:09.220
Elizabeth elliott stayed in
01:21:09.821 --> 01:21:11.456
Chandiya with her daughter, valerie.
01:21:11.456 --> 01:21:14.159
But then two of dayumae's aunts, mintaka and mangammal, came out
01:21:15.393 --> 01:21:19.264
Of the jungle just like dayumae had done years before.
01:21:19.264 --> 01:21:23.268
Two quechua men appeared at the door right about 12:00, and
01:21:23.268 --> 01:21:27.405
They said, we've got two auca women at our house.
01:21:27.405 --> 01:21:30.408
Do you want to see them?
01:21:30.909 --> 01:21:32.277
And of course, i said yes instantly.
01:21:33.044 --> 01:21:35.680
And so i threw a couple of things into a carrying bag, and
01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:39.751
I set off down the trail here, these two girls and nobody
01:21:39.751 --> 01:21:44.022
Could understand a word they were saying.
01:21:44.022 --> 01:21:46.057
I said, here, you get in here and we're going to go back to
01:21:46.057 --> 01:21:49.461
My house.
01:21:49.461 --> 01:21:54.165
The time came when they both came to me and they said, when
01:21:55.333 --> 01:21:58.069
That palm fruit is ripe, we're going home and we want you to
01:21:58.069 --> 01:22:01.172
Come with us.
01:22:01.172 --> 01:22:02.440
And i said, do you think your people will spear me the way
01:22:02.440 --> 01:22:06.277
They speared my husband? they put their arms around me
01:22:06.277 --> 01:22:08.546
And they laughed.
01:22:08.546 --> 01:22:09.280
And they said, of course not.
01:22:09.280 --> 01:22:10.615
You're our friend.
01:22:10.615 --> 01:22:12.083
Dayumae, aunt rachel and elizabeth were convinced that
01:22:13.184 --> 01:22:16.254
Peaceful contact with waodani was needed now more than ever.
01:22:16.254 --> 01:22:20.525
Men going into the tribe would be killed on sight, but they
01:22:20.525 --> 01:22:23.895
Knew that women just might make it in the same way that the
01:22:23.895 --> 01:22:28.299
Waodani had been able to come out.
01:22:28.299 --> 01:22:30.602
So the time came when dayumae and the two auca women went
01:22:31.770 --> 01:22:35.273
Back to their people.
01:22:35.273 --> 01:22:37.776
Dayumae was gone for about three weeks before she returned to
01:22:38.943 --> 01:22:42.580
Arajuno with a small delegation of waodani.
01:22:42.580 --> 01:22:45.583
And an invitation for rachel
01:22:45.583 --> 01:22:47.318
Elisabeth to come live with the waodani.
01:22:47.318 --> 01:22:55.193
I sort of remember being carried in a wooden chair on
01:22:56.227 --> 01:22:59.030
The back of one of the quechua indians,
01:22:59.030 --> 01:23:01.599
Bumping along my head, bumping back against it, and falling
01:23:01.599 --> 01:23:04.736
Asleep on it.
01:23:04.736 --> 01:23:06.171
Then they gave me the name
01:23:06.738 --> 01:23:08.273
Nemo, which was one of dayumae's sisters.
01:23:08.273 --> 01:23:11.476
She was macheted to death when they were wiping out dayumae's
01:23:11.476 --> 01:23:15.647
Whole family.
01:23:15.647 --> 01:23:17.449
And so i took nemo's place in the kinship and then had the
01:23:17.449 --> 01:23:22.253
Protection of dayumae's family.
01:23:22.253 --> 01:23:24.823
But also i soon found out the enmity of her enemies.
01:23:24.823 --> 01:23:29.427
And dayumae gave me a full
01:23:29.994 --> 01:23:31.930
Course in auca fleeing technique.
01:23:31.930 --> 01:23:37.168
The waodani believed in a creator god whom they called
01:23:38.269 --> 01:23:42.407
Waengongi. dayumae told them that waengongi had marked a
01:23:42.407 --> 01:23:45.110
Trail with carvings for them to follow.
01:23:45.110 --> 01:23:48.012
If they followed these carvings when they were alive, then they
01:23:48.012 --> 01:23:51.216
Would find his house when they died.
01:23:51.216 --> 01:23:53.585
But these carvings told them
01:23:53.585 --> 01:23:55.019
That they shouldn't kill each other.
01:23:55.019 --> 01:23:56.788
Dawa was the first to believe what dayumae said.
01:23:57.789 --> 01:24:00.792
And then her husband kimo.
01:24:00.792 --> 01:24:02.861
Both of them had been in on the attack at palm beach.
01:24:02.861 --> 01:24:06.097
But there were other waodani who were still suspicious.
01:24:06.097 --> 01:24:09.334
And as kimo began to build aunt rachel's house, he was told
01:24:09.334 --> 01:24:12.604
That it would be his grave.
01:24:12.604 --> 01:24:27.719
After two months, elizabeth came out of waodani territory
01:24:28.887 --> 01:24:32.290
For supplies.
01:24:32.290 --> 01:24:33.825
When she went back in, my mom marj, went with her to visit.
01:24:33.825 --> 01:24:38.496
Every now and then they would ask me if i wanted to go with
01:24:38.496 --> 01:24:40.932
Them on their trips into the jungles, and on one occasion i
01:24:40.932 --> 01:24:45.203
Saw what looked to me like a perfectly good trail
01:24:45.203 --> 01:24:47.639
Going off to the right.
01:24:47.639 --> 01:24:48.773
And i said, uh, when do you go down here?
01:24:48.773 --> 01:24:52.744
And they looked at me and they said, we don't go down there.
01:24:52.744 --> 01:24:55.313
I said, why not?
01:24:55.313 --> 01:24:56.915
Well, those guys are killers down there.
01:24:56.915 --> 01:24:59.784
I said, well, you're killers.
01:24:59.784 --> 01:25:01.252
You've been killing people for all these years.
01:25:01.252 --> 01:25:03.054
And they would laugh over that, you know?
01:25:03.054 --> 01:25:05.089
Yeah. well, we've killed people too.
01:25:05.089 --> 01:25:07.025
But those guys are real killers.
01:25:07.025 --> 01:25:12.697
I was regularly receiving letters from both jim elliot's
01:25:13.798 --> 01:25:17.335
Parents and my parents, and
01:25:17.335 --> 01:25:19.737
They would always be cautioning me.
01:25:19.737 --> 01:25:22.807
They were not at all happy with the idea that i was living in a
01:25:22.807 --> 01:25:26.010
Primitive tribe with a bunch of naked aucas.
01:25:26.010 --> 01:25:28.713
And here was this precious
01:25:28.713 --> 01:25:30.181
Little girl that belonged to them.
01:25:30.181 --> 01:25:49.000
Dayumae, of course, was the preacher, and dayumae every
01:25:50.134 --> 01:25:53.671
Sunday would corral everybody and tell them, you know, this
01:25:53.671 --> 01:25:57.408
Is sunday, this is god's day.
01:25:57.408 --> 01:25:59.110
So you have to come and and i'm going to teach you the bible,
01:25:59.110 --> 01:26:02.614
Which she did.
01:26:02.981 --> 01:26:04.515
In the meantime, rachel, during
01:26:04.515 --> 01:26:06.684
The week would be teaching dayumae.
01:26:06.684 --> 01:26:10.888
Mom made another visit, this time with marilyn mccully.
01:26:11.990 --> 01:26:16.294
They were greeted by the very same people who had speared dad
01:26:17.495 --> 01:26:20.598
And his friends, but who now expressed regret.
01:26:20.598 --> 01:26:25.937
The settlement was called tijuano and work on an airstrip
01:26:27.071 --> 01:26:30.108
Was underway.
01:26:30.108 --> 01:26:31.743
It was only when new information became available to
01:26:31.743 --> 01:26:34.879
Them that they could see that
01:26:34.879 --> 01:26:36.648
There were, in fact, other possibilities.
01:26:36.648 --> 01:26:38.750
Rachel and, uh, elizabeth wanted people to to believe
01:26:38.750 --> 01:26:42.553
That there was a god, and he wanted them to stop killing.
01:26:42.553 --> 01:26:45.923
The other information that came in at the same time was that
01:26:45.923 --> 01:26:48.559
There's another world out there, because the two waodani
01:26:48.559 --> 01:26:51.529
Women had now been living outside for, in one case, for
01:26:51.529 --> 01:26:54.932
A good number of years.
01:26:54.932 --> 01:26:56.634
For dewey. later on, he would he then realized what the pilots
01:26:56.634 --> 01:27:01.673
Were trying to do, that they were trying to come and bring
01:27:01.673 --> 01:27:05.310
Them the word of god.
01:27:05.310 --> 01:27:06.544
He would say, um, to tell them about a different reality.
01:27:06.544 --> 01:27:12.350
But i always remember dabo, who was one of the older
01:27:12.350 --> 01:27:16.054
Generation, and he was going to tell us a story.
01:27:16.054 --> 01:27:20.792
And when he started, he said,
01:27:21.426 --> 01:27:24.962
We were almost down to two people.
01:27:25.730 --> 01:27:28.666
And if nemo and gikari
01:27:29.167 --> 01:27:32.503
Rachel saint and elisabeth elliot had not come, there
01:27:32.503 --> 01:27:36.274
Would have been no one left.
01:27:36.274 --> 01:27:40.011
That's impressive.
01:27:40.445 --> 01:27:41.746
He really thought that if they had continued in their pattern
01:27:41.746 --> 01:27:45.049
Of behavior of revenge and retaliation spearing
01:27:45.049 --> 01:27:47.685
They would have killed each other off.
01:27:48.519 --> 01:28:05.970
The word in waodani.
01:28:06.437 --> 01:28:08.072
For believing or actually for
01:28:08.072 --> 01:28:10.608
Hearing, understanding, obeying.
01:28:10.608 --> 01:28:14.078
And several other concepts like that is inya.
01:28:14.078 --> 01:28:16.981
And so they use the one word and it and it glosses a whole
01:28:16.981 --> 01:28:20.718
Bunch of things to here means in that sense to truly take it
01:28:20.718 --> 01:28:24.789
In, not just to hear, but also to understand and assimilate.
01:28:24.789 --> 01:28:29.994
The warranty were able in over in a period of just a few years
01:28:29.994 --> 01:28:34.465
To reduce the homicide rate by well over 90%.
01:28:34.465 --> 01:28:39.170
Nothing else changed.
01:28:39.170 --> 01:28:40.271
The ecological situation hadn't changed.
01:28:40.271 --> 01:28:42.340
There were.
01:28:42.340 --> 01:28:43.608
They had no new techniques, no new tools available to them.
01:28:43.608 --> 01:28:46.244
There was certainly no biological change.
01:28:46.244 --> 01:28:48.479
What changed was the information that people had
01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:51.015
Available to them.
01:28:51.015 --> 01:28:52.316
And on the basis of that, they made a radical transformation
01:28:52.316 --> 01:28:54.886
In their in their social life.
01:28:54.886 --> 01:28:57.822
This pattern of vendettas that we've been able to document
01:28:57.822 --> 01:29:00.658
Goes back at least five
01:29:00.658 --> 01:29:01.592
Generations disappeared like that.
01:29:01.592 --> 01:29:03.761
Um, within a matter of months, one group after another agreed.
01:29:03.761 --> 01:29:07.965
Once they heard that others were giving up the vendettas,
01:29:07.965 --> 01:29:10.067
They agreed to do the same thing.
01:29:10.067 --> 01:29:17.608
Aunt rachel and elizabeth had very different approaches to
01:29:18.776 --> 01:29:21.779
Helping the waodani. to avoid the ongoing tensions
01:29:21.779 --> 01:29:25.349
They felt that it would be best to separate two years after
01:29:25.349 --> 01:29:29.220
Entering the tribe.
01:29:29.220 --> 01:29:30.621
Elizabeth, with valerie, went back to work in chandiya.
01:29:30.621 --> 01:29:34.225
Then two years later, they returned to the states.
01:29:34.225 --> 01:29:37.395
I didn't say anything about clothing until we got into
01:29:38.496 --> 01:29:41.265
Miami airport, and i said to my mother, why is everybody
01:29:41.265 --> 01:29:45.169
Walking around with clothing on?
01:29:45.169 --> 01:29:46.904
Because i had been so used to seeing everybody naked.
01:29:46.904 --> 01:29:53.744
The very first time i came into the tribe, they didn't know
01:29:54.912 --> 01:29:58.516
What to make of me.
01:29:58.516 --> 01:29:59.650
I don't think they knew what i was, a girl or a boy.
01:29:59.650 --> 01:30:02.086
Of course i didn't know that then.
01:30:02.086 --> 01:30:03.654
And then one of the old grandmothers came up, and she
01:30:03.654 --> 01:30:06.624
Grabbed my pants and pulled them out and started giving
01:30:06.624 --> 01:30:09.126
Everybody a running commentary of what she was seeing,
01:30:09.126 --> 01:30:11.896
Which, to a nine year old boy is a little bit intimidating.
01:30:13.097 --> 01:30:17.034
After that, i can't remember any adjustment at all.
01:30:17.034 --> 01:30:19.403
They just made me feel like part of the tribe.
01:30:19.403 --> 01:30:22.406
I do remember one time that aunt rachel said to me, kathy,
01:30:23.574 --> 01:30:27.044
You lost your daddy with a spear.
01:30:27.044 --> 01:30:30.114
But do you realize that every one of these children,
01:30:30.114 --> 01:30:32.950
And most likely every one of the adults, has had some
01:30:34.051 --> 01:30:37.688
Relatives speared to death,
01:30:37.688 --> 01:30:39.824
And you haven't gone through
01:30:40.424 --> 01:30:42.226
Anything that they haven't gone through?
01:30:42.226 --> 01:30:44.695
My first feeling about my father being killed by these
01:30:44.695 --> 01:30:48.933
Same people was that it made me more one of them than than it
01:30:48.933 --> 01:30:53.604
Separated me from them because a number of my friends fathers
01:30:53.604 --> 01:30:57.808
Had been speared.
01:30:57.808 --> 01:30:58.876
I was just one of the crowd.
01:30:58.876 --> 01:31:00.111
My father had been speared too.
01:31:00.111 --> 01:31:03.781
When i was in high school in the states, i decided that i
01:31:04.916 --> 01:31:07.184
Wanted to be baptized, and i wanted the people that baptized
01:31:07.184 --> 01:31:11.656
Me to be people that had had a significant role in my life and
01:31:11.656 --> 01:31:17.194
In my spiritual development.
01:31:17.194 --> 01:31:29.473
I was in the same water where dad's body had been thrown.
01:31:30.641 --> 01:31:34.478
And at either side of me were the two men that in their youth
01:31:34.478 --> 01:31:39.850
Had killed dad.
01:31:39.850 --> 01:31:41.485
And.
01:31:41.686 --> 01:31:43.220
And all i knew was that i really loved these two guys.
01:31:43.220 --> 01:31:50.061
After 30 years of living out in the jungle with the waodani,
01:31:51.228 --> 01:31:55.066
Aunt rachel was diagnosed with cancer.
01:31:55.066 --> 01:31:57.868
She was treated in the united states, but when she found out
01:31:57.868 --> 01:32:00.972
That she was dying, she wanted to return home with the
01:32:00.972 --> 01:32:04.909
Waodani, whom she really considered family.
01:32:04.909 --> 01:32:07.812
She died on november 11th, 1994,
01:32:07.812 --> 01:32:10.648
And i traveled from florida to
01:32:11.282 --> 01:32:13.050
Join the waodani in burying her.
01:32:13.050 --> 01:32:15.019
Then the old people that had known me and taken care of me
01:32:16.187 --> 01:32:19.890
And adopted me into their families.
01:32:19.890 --> 01:32:22.560
Um, came to me and they said, um, we want you to come live
01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:27.665
With us.
01:32:27.665 --> 01:32:35.573
We were coming down the river.
01:32:36.207 --> 01:32:37.508
We came around the last bend, and we saw this long tarp set
01:32:37.508 --> 01:32:42.113
Up, kind of like a tent.
01:32:42.113 --> 01:32:44.215
And that was to be our home for the next year.
01:32:44.215 --> 01:32:48.452
Big wheels.
01:32:48.786 --> 01:32:49.954
Come on.
01:32:49.954 --> 01:32:51.222
We cleared out the brush and everything around where we were
01:32:51.222 --> 01:32:53.791
Going to put the house, and we actually got in the beams.
01:32:53.791 --> 01:32:56.694
And i think that was probably the time where i decided that i
01:32:56.694 --> 01:33:01.365
Wasn't going to be working on the house, because every day,
01:33:01.365 --> 01:33:05.770
At least once a day, my dad and i would get into it.
01:33:05.770 --> 01:33:09.240
I like to play, and my dad was,
01:33:09.874 --> 01:33:13.277
Let's find a project to work on.
01:33:13.277 --> 01:33:14.512
That'll be fun.
01:33:14.512 --> 01:33:15.646
I was, let's get the project over so we can have fun.
01:33:15.646 --> 01:33:22.353
Seeing stephanie down in ecuador was probably the
01:33:23.287 --> 01:33:26.924
Highlight of her life.
01:33:26.924 --> 01:33:28.292
She was at home.
01:33:28.292 --> 01:33:30.528
She was basically a blond haired, waudani.
01:33:30.528 --> 01:33:33.664
They named her nemo after aunt rachel.
01:33:33.664 --> 01:33:39.937
I remember meeting mincaye the first week we were down there,
01:33:41.138 --> 01:33:44.742
And i remember this, this older
01:33:44.742 --> 01:33:48.012
Guy who would walk by my hammock.
01:33:48.012 --> 01:33:50.214
For some reason, he would laugh a lot of the time.
01:33:50.214 --> 01:33:52.516
I love joking around, so i started poking at him through
01:33:52.516 --> 01:33:56.420
My mosquito net.
01:33:56.420 --> 01:34:01.158
I remember trying to get mincaye to
01:34:01.959 --> 01:34:04.495
Be quiet, and i would go shh! mincaye, shh!
01:34:04.495 --> 01:34:06.864
And he would just look at me and say
01:34:06.864 --> 01:34:09.967
Like that.
01:34:10.267 --> 01:34:11.202
Usually we would do that to his wife.
01:34:11.202 --> 01:34:12.970
We would get her attention and then do that to her,
01:34:12.970 --> 01:34:14.739
And she would just scold us.
01:34:14.739 --> 01:34:37.695
Is one of the men who who killed my grandfather and his
01:34:38.829 --> 01:34:42.566
Four friends.
01:34:42.566 --> 01:34:44.101
Sometimes i will call him mama, which means grandfather.
01:34:44.101 --> 01:34:48.906
He can't be a replacement, but he can be a grandfather to me.
01:34:50.107 --> 01:34:54.378
When it was time for jesse to leave, to go back to work the
01:34:55.579 --> 01:34:58.949
Summer before starting college, jesse and mincaye were standing
01:34:58.949 --> 01:35:01.986
Over just a little ways away, and they had their hands on each
01:35:01.986 --> 01:35:06.724
Other's shoulders,
01:35:06.724 --> 01:35:08.626
And both of them were crying.
01:35:09.260 --> 01:35:11.262
I'd never seen a waudani man cry.
01:35:11.262 --> 01:35:13.864
We, uh, we did this a couple times, and
01:35:14.732 --> 01:35:19.336
Finally i got in the plane and it was
01:35:20.104 --> 01:35:22.439
I was still sobbing when i got into shell.
01:35:23.340 --> 01:35:30.080
Jesse came to me and said, hey, pop, there's just one thing i'd
01:35:31.282 --> 01:35:34.251
Like for graduation.
01:35:34.251 --> 01:35:35.452
I'd really like for you to bring grandfather mincaye up
01:35:35.452 --> 01:35:37.721
Here to see me graduate.
01:35:37.721 --> 01:35:39.523
And it was really special to
01:35:39.523 --> 01:35:40.658
Have mincaye here for my graduation.
01:35:40.658 --> 01:35:43.494
He was there in the stands as i walked up and got my diploma.
01:35:43.494 --> 01:35:48.365
Mincaye got to come to the states and that has started
01:35:49.466 --> 01:35:52.937
These visits.
01:35:53.304 --> 01:35:54.772
He tried so hard to master bathrooms.
01:35:54.772 --> 01:35:57.208
You know, he went in to take a shower one night.
01:35:57.208 --> 01:35:59.310
Nothing happened and nothing happened.
01:35:59.310 --> 01:36:00.611
So i went in to see what was happening and mincaye was
01:36:00.611 --> 01:36:03.681
Standing in the shower.
01:36:03.681 --> 01:36:05.516
But instead of there being two faucets, there was only one.
01:36:05.516 --> 01:36:08.786
So he was just trying to think this thing through.
01:36:08.786 --> 01:36:11.722
Well, the next house we went to, he went in the bathroom and
01:36:12.890 --> 01:36:15.226
Nothing happened.
01:36:15.226 --> 01:36:16.460
I went in and this time he had this one faucet and he was
01:36:16.460 --> 01:36:20.631
Turning it back and forth and nothing was happening because
01:36:20.631 --> 01:36:22.733
That one you had to pull out first.
01:36:22.733 --> 01:36:25.202
But then we went to this one house and mincaye went into the
01:36:26.370 --> 01:36:29.506
Bathroom and i heard the, the water come on.
01:36:29.506 --> 01:36:31.976
And i thought, finally, you know, finally mincaye can run
01:36:31.976 --> 01:36:35.512
His own shower.
01:36:35.512 --> 01:36:37.281
But then i start hearing this banging just i mean, it sounded
01:36:37.281 --> 01:36:40.551
Like he was tearing the bathroom apart.
01:36:40.551 --> 01:36:42.553
So i pulled back the shower curtain and there was mincaye
01:36:42.553 --> 01:36:45.155
All curled up down in the bathtub.
01:36:45.155 --> 01:36:47.725
And he looked up at me and he said, the foreigners, all
01:36:47.725 --> 01:36:51.095
Being fat, how do they get under this little thing?
01:36:51.095 --> 01:36:56.800
He said, some of the foreigners are so nice that even when
01:36:57.935 --> 01:37:00.604
You're when you're driving, you just stop by their houses and,
01:37:00.604 --> 01:37:04.408
And you go to one of the, one of the openings in their walls.
01:37:04.408 --> 01:37:08.979
And he said they just open it for you and and then they start
01:37:08.979 --> 01:37:12.249
Giving you food and it's already hot and it's already
01:37:12.249 --> 01:37:14.618
Cooked and stuff, he said.
01:37:14.618 --> 01:37:16.253
I see those foreigners very, very well.
01:37:16.253 --> 01:37:19.690
When mincaye came back from the states the first time, he told
01:37:19.690 --> 01:37:22.493
The people that the foreigners are really big and fat because
01:37:22.493 --> 01:37:26.664
Even when they go walking, they don't move their feet.
01:37:26.664 --> 01:37:29.099
They just get on the trail and the trail moves.
01:37:29.099 --> 01:37:33.671
His wife said, oh, you're talking wild.
01:37:33.671 --> 01:37:40.577
Mincaye just kept saying, that's why all the foreigners are fat.
01:37:41.812 --> 01:37:44.882
They don't walk, they don't climb, they don't make gardens.
01:37:44.882 --> 01:37:49.019
When they got to that one, ompodae just...
01:37:49.019 --> 01:37:50.587
She just said, well, how are they going to live then?
01:37:51.622 --> 01:37:54.758
Mincaye said, they have these big food houses.
01:37:55.659 --> 01:37:58.095
And he said, there's just piles of food.
01:37:58.095 --> 01:38:06.270
First, there's these young people and they're standing at
01:38:07.404 --> 01:38:10.774
The place where you go out and you smile as big as you can.
01:38:10.774 --> 01:38:14.144
And he said, they pretend like they're not seeing you.
01:38:14.144 --> 01:38:16.513
And then he said, then after a little while, then they look at
01:38:16.513 --> 01:38:19.616
You and they smile.
01:38:19.616 --> 01:38:20.918
And he said, when they smile, boom, you can just go and take
01:38:20.918 --> 01:38:23.520
All the food with you.
01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:24.621
And i said, well, it's it's kind of like that.
01:38:24.621 --> 01:38:27.257
So i just took out my credit card and i said, first you have
01:38:27.257 --> 01:38:29.626
To give them something like this.
01:38:29.626 --> 01:38:31.729
And mincaye looked at me and smiled and he said, they just
01:38:31.729 --> 01:38:34.999
Give it right back to you.
01:38:34.999 --> 01:38:40.004
Ompodae started griping at me.
01:38:40.637 --> 01:38:41.805
She said, bobe, what do you mean?
01:38:41.805 --> 01:38:44.008
Sending mincaye back here?
01:38:44.008 --> 01:38:45.376
He was so fat that whenever i'd say mincaye go out and bring
01:38:45.376 --> 01:38:50.614
Some meat back for me, she said he would just go out and he'd
01:38:50.614 --> 01:38:54.118
Find a tree and he'd just mow.
01:38:54.118 --> 01:39:26.583
The waodani loved to watch movies.
01:39:27.351 --> 01:39:29.453
I do remember mincaye watching some of the world war
01:39:29.453 --> 01:39:35.359
Two videos that we've had here, and a lot of the bombing, and
01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:38.595
They would ask questions about,
01:39:38.595 --> 01:39:40.364
You know, why are they dropping those?
01:39:40.364 --> 01:39:42.066
And they're dropping them to kill people?
01:39:42.066 --> 01:39:43.534
Well, how they how can they see those people?
01:39:43.534 --> 01:39:45.602
How do they know who they're killing?
01:39:45.602 --> 01:39:47.638
And they say they don't, you know, they're not trying to see
01:39:47.638 --> 01:39:50.107
Who they're killing.
01:39:50.107 --> 01:39:51.175
They're just killing everybody that's in there.
01:39:51.175 --> 01:39:53.610
And they just could not imagine that anybody would be so savage
01:39:53.610 --> 01:39:58.482
As to go and kill people that they didn't even know when they
01:39:58.482 --> 01:40:01.819
Heard about columbine and some of the school shootings.
01:40:01.819 --> 01:40:05.756
They just said that's just how we used to live.
01:40:05.756 --> 01:40:10.794
Well, waudani, are to a great extent, very much like us.
01:40:11.929 --> 01:40:14.198
They are independent, autonomous, self-reliant,
01:40:14.198 --> 01:40:17.401
Brave, you know, all of those.
01:40:17.401 --> 01:40:18.569
All of those values that americans hold dear,
01:40:18.569 --> 01:40:20.938
The waudani represent in their most extreme forms.
01:40:20.938 --> 01:40:24.408
Americans cannot help but admire them.
01:40:24.408 --> 01:40:26.143
On the other hand, there's kind of a cautionary tale there.
01:40:26.143 --> 01:40:28.745
So if you sort of carry this constellation of american
01:40:28.745 --> 01:40:30.948
Values to its ultimate extreme, what you get is, waudani.
01:40:30.948 --> 01:40:49.032
In ecuador, the indians are the lowest class.
01:40:49.967 --> 01:40:54.238
And among the indians, the waudani are the lowest class.
01:40:54.238 --> 01:40:59.243
So children really don't want to be identified as waodani.
01:40:59.243 --> 01:41:18.228
In the long run, uh, there's certain to be simply submerged,
01:41:19.396 --> 01:41:24.368
Uh, in in the groups that surround them.
01:41:24.368 --> 01:41:26.303
Let's say you're elected a president of oni, the
01:41:26.303 --> 01:41:30.407
Organization of the waodani.
01:41:30.407 --> 01:41:33.477
Um,
01:41:33.677 --> 01:41:35.379
They were having to travel around by foot.
01:41:35.379 --> 01:41:38.415
I mean, unless an oil company or some other heavily endowed
01:41:38.415 --> 01:41:42.419
Sponsor is willing to foot the the flight expenses.
01:41:42.419 --> 01:41:46.323
Traveling around foot from the headwaters of the yasuni clear
01:41:46.323 --> 01:41:50.827
Back over to tueno is a huge amount of trouble.
01:41:50.827 --> 01:41:58.702
So finally i broached the subject and said, you know,
01:41:59.803 --> 01:42:02.639
You've learned how to fix things and you've got your own
01:42:03.740 --> 01:42:07.077
Little clinic and now you're doing dental work.
01:42:07.077 --> 01:42:09.980
I said, now i need to go.
01:42:10.547 --> 01:42:13.083
You yourselves need to do it.
01:42:13.717 --> 01:42:16.520
And then the waodani came to me and they said, bobe, who's
01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:20.357
Going to do what you've been doing now?
01:42:20.357 --> 01:42:23.193
And i said, people, you need to decide that.
01:42:24.094 --> 01:42:28.265
And a few days later they came and they said, well, what about
01:42:28.265 --> 01:42:32.135
If tementa does what you've been doing?
01:42:32.135 --> 01:42:35.973
Things had come full circle because tementa was the son of
01:42:37.140 --> 01:42:40.477
Nenkiwi, the george from palm beach, whose lie to the tribe
01:42:40.477 --> 01:42:44.481
Had led to the killings of my dad and his friends.
01:42:44.481 --> 01:42:48.518
Only a few months after those spearings at palm beach, the
01:42:49.686 --> 01:42:53.323
Tribe got angry with nenkiwi again and speared him too.
01:42:53.323 --> 01:43:29.192
In the old ways, a dying warrior could demand that his
01:43:30.294 --> 01:43:32.929
Children be buried with him.
01:43:32.929 --> 01:43:35.365
Nenkiwi told epa, his oldest living wife, to put their
01:43:35.365 --> 01:43:38.769
Daughter gamae and son, tementa into the grave with him.
01:43:38.769 --> 01:44:08.799
They had realized that all the things that we had been doing
01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:13.170
Together really centered around
01:44:13.170 --> 01:44:15.072
The possibility of air transportation.
01:44:15.072 --> 01:44:59.583
For ten months without any mishap.
01:45:00.350 --> 01:45:03.787
He maintained, operated, fueled everything an aircraft.
01:45:03.787 --> 01:45:38.455
The only face a future of deep complexities.
01:45:39.389 --> 01:45:43.527
But anyone who visits them is moved by their simplicity.
01:45:44.661 --> 01:45:52.702
There are some things, after
01:45:53.303 --> 01:45:54.771
All, that stay unchanged by time.
01:45:54.771 --> 01:45:59.709
Years ago, my dad, nate, flew tementa's dad nenkiwi.
01:46:00.777 --> 01:46:04.981
Over his small waudani village.
01:46:04.981 --> 01:46:08.752
Today, tormenta can be seen flying over villages of the
01:46:09.886 --> 01:46:13.256
Very same people.
01:46:13.256 --> 01:46:19.162
When he looks down, i know he sees family.
01:46:20.063 --> 01:46:28.205
And when we look up, our hopes soar with him.
01:46:29.105 --> 01:46:32.876
♪♪
01:46:32.876 --> 01:47:44.180
If there was ever a theme that.
01:47:44.180 --> 01:47:49.119
No. no human can really fully understand.
01:47:49.986 --> 01:47:53.757
It's that scripture that keeps
01:47:53.757 --> 01:47:56.126
Coming back to me over and over again.
01:47:56.126 --> 01:47:58.028
Romans 8:28.
01:47:58.028 --> 01:47:59.563
You know that you you just don't know through tragedy what
01:47:59.563 --> 01:48:05.502
God is going to accomplish
01:48:05.502 --> 01:48:07.237
Through the the burial of something.
01:48:07.237 --> 01:48:10.707
And when you give your life as
01:48:10.707 --> 01:48:12.976
A seed, it will turn into now a
01:48:12.976 --> 01:48:18.615
Something we can't we can't even imagine.
01:48:19.516 --> 01:48:21.851
And you know,
01:48:21.851 --> 01:48:23.620
When you think about that, only god can take tragedy.
01:48:23.620 --> 01:48:27.591
I mean, people go through horrible, horrible things, and
01:48:27.591 --> 01:48:31.861
Only god can take that thing where you think you can't live
01:48:31.861 --> 01:48:36.333
Through it, that every day is just such a step of faith
01:48:36.333 --> 01:48:40.337
Trying to live.
01:48:40.337 --> 01:48:41.171
I mean, so i think about the wives.
01:48:41.171 --> 01:48:43.974
My goodness, you know, our husbands, these five young men,
01:48:43.974 --> 01:48:50.747
And we've got children.
01:48:50.747 --> 01:48:52.549
We've got, you know, our lives, we've come over here and now
01:48:52.549 --> 01:48:56.119
They're going to kind of give their life, maybe have to give
01:48:56.119 --> 01:48:59.522
Their life.
01:48:59.522 --> 01:49:00.724
Going over there to speak to this tribe to to tell them
01:49:00.724 --> 01:49:03.827
About jesus.
01:49:03.827 --> 01:49:05.128
That's the whole point, is to go share the gospel with this
01:49:05.128 --> 01:49:08.431
Savage tribe, you know, and you just think, wow, that's a lot,
01:49:08.431 --> 01:49:12.669
You know?
01:49:12.669 --> 01:49:13.903
And then and then their days of going forward and getting
01:49:13.903 --> 01:49:19.342
Through it.
01:49:19.342 --> 01:49:20.577
And only god can take things like this and somehow grow a
01:49:20.577 --> 01:49:25.482
Seed from that.
01:49:25.482 --> 01:49:26.950
A seed sown in the ground, you know, is so amazing because
01:49:26.950 --> 01:49:31.621
From that seed, from the persecution of the church, i
01:49:31.621 --> 01:49:35.525
Mean, it's happened from from the very beginning, the
01:49:35.525 --> 01:49:38.361
Persecution of the church has just grown and blossomed.
01:49:38.361 --> 01:49:42.632
Things in our world that are just amazing.
01:49:42.632 --> 01:49:46.536
You were talking about the bible school kids just dropping
01:49:46.536 --> 01:49:50.874
Out of class, going, okay, i'm going to go give my life to.
01:49:50.874 --> 01:49:53.977
If they can do it, i can do it.
01:49:53.977 --> 01:49:55.545
And only god can do that in people.
01:49:55.545 --> 01:49:58.081
Only god can out of, you know, the the ukrainian church right
01:49:58.081 --> 01:50:02.185
Now and what's happening out of the ukrainian church and just
01:50:02.185 --> 01:50:06.556
The charlie kirk seeing the ground seed sown to to watch
01:50:06.556 --> 01:50:11.728
This massive movement of revival and, and,
01:50:11.728 --> 01:50:15.732
And strengthening the faith of people is just unbelievable how
01:50:16.900 --> 01:50:21.571
God can do that in our lives.
01:50:21.571 --> 01:50:23.473
The other thing that really hits me is the complexity.
01:50:23.473 --> 01:50:27.310
Even when god says for you to do something, how hard it can
01:50:27.310 --> 01:50:31.948
Be still to do that, and how
01:50:31.948 --> 01:50:33.516
You have to continue to persevere.
01:50:33.516 --> 01:50:35.852
Now, i don't think that the guys literally thought that
01:50:35.852 --> 01:50:39.322
They were going to be speared
01:50:39.322 --> 01:50:40.323
That day because they had gone in.
01:50:40.323 --> 01:50:42.225
They had...
01:50:42.225 --> 01:50:42.759
Friendly contact.
01:50:42.759 --> 01:50:43.793
Yeah. they had what they call friendly contact.
01:50:43.793 --> 01:50:45.862
They they had a couple encounters.
01:50:45.862 --> 01:50:47.297
Things were looking good.
01:50:47.297 --> 01:50:48.965
And then the wheels came off.
01:50:48.965 --> 01:50:51.134
Yeah. kind of speak.
01:50:51.134 --> 01:50:52.435
Roger youderian, pete fleming, jim elliot, nate saint and ed
01:50:52.435 --> 01:50:57.707
Mccully is who we are talking about.
01:50:57.707 --> 01:51:01.277
They're kind of pictured here in our beautiful studio.
01:51:01.277 --> 01:51:06.049
Go ye and preach the gospel.
01:51:06.049 --> 01:51:09.119
They did that.
01:51:09.486 --> 01:51:10.353
They gave their lives
01:51:10.353 --> 01:51:12.822
For their faith.
01:51:13.189 --> 01:51:14.424
They knew they were going into a really tough situation,
01:51:14.424 --> 01:51:19.596
And it ended in a way that they didn't expect.
01:51:20.530 --> 01:51:26.136
They gave their lives for the cause of christ, which when
01:51:26.136 --> 01:51:31.307
Something tragic like that happens, you know, you you when
01:51:31.307 --> 01:51:35.378
Is something bad.
01:51:35.378 --> 01:51:36.479
Bad is the is is ultimately the question.
01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:39.048
Even in our newsletter
01:51:39.048 --> 01:51:41.651
That we wrote recently.
01:51:42.152 --> 01:51:44.320
We're asking that same thing.
01:51:44.320 --> 01:51:46.389
You know, when you're in a storm, you don't need the storm
01:51:46.389 --> 01:51:50.160
To stop.
01:51:50.160 --> 01:51:51.394
You need to recognize jesus is there with you, you know.
01:51:51.394 --> 01:51:54.297
And the idea that that these men would give their lives, but
01:51:54.297 --> 01:51:58.968
Only to see their children and
01:51:58.968 --> 01:52:01.538
Their grandchildren, you know, continuing
01:52:01.538 --> 01:52:05.642
The missionary vibe, uh, and the fact that,
01:52:06.543 --> 01:52:11.014
You know, steve saint kind of
01:52:11.648 --> 01:52:13.449
The hero in a lot of ways to me.
01:52:13.449 --> 01:52:17.320
You know, he had a choice.
01:52:17.887 --> 01:52:19.255
He could have walked away.
01:52:19.255 --> 01:52:20.356
His dad was killed.
01:52:20.356 --> 01:52:21.357
He could have walked away.
01:52:21.357 --> 01:52:22.759
But instead, he spent years traveling, telling the story
01:52:22.759 --> 01:52:28.298
With the man that killed his father, that literally.
01:52:28.298 --> 01:52:32.635
He even spent time with his aunt rachel.
01:52:32.635 --> 01:52:34.370
With the tribe.
01:52:34.370 --> 01:52:35.438
Yeah, he went in numerous times.
01:52:35.438 --> 01:52:36.673
We had.
01:52:36.673 --> 01:52:37.307
We had both of them on.
01:52:37.307 --> 01:52:38.708
Yeah. yeah.
01:52:39.042 --> 01:52:40.143
How many years ago was that?
01:52:40.143 --> 01:52:41.411
That was.
01:52:41.411 --> 01:52:42.278
20.
01:52:42.478 --> 01:52:43.313
That would have been.
01:52:43.313 --> 01:52:44.047
Yeah, roughly 20 years ago.
01:52:44.047 --> 01:52:46.115
What a fascinating.
01:52:46.583 --> 01:52:47.817
And by the way, if you're just tuned in, we're sitting with
01:52:47.817 --> 01:52:49.853
Jim heynen and tom newman.
01:52:49.853 --> 01:52:52.922
Jim, you you directed both the
01:52:52.922 --> 01:52:55.792
Documentary and the feature film.
01:52:55.792 --> 01:52:58.461
Yes.
01:52:58.461 --> 01:52:59.095
Tom, you produced this.
01:52:59.095 --> 01:53:00.630
You started you heard the voice of the lord in 1975.
01:53:00.630 --> 01:53:04.267
You'll make this into a movie one day.
01:53:04.267 --> 01:53:05.969
So i, i remember you telling me about this story, that it was a
01:53:05.969 --> 01:53:11.174
Passion project and we got to make this movie and and it was
01:53:11.174 --> 01:53:15.545
Just the the way that mart green from the hobby lobby
01:53:15.545 --> 01:53:20.817
Family and, and, you know, just kind of you guys got together
01:53:20.817 --> 01:53:26.489
And there was a quick thing.
01:53:26.489 --> 01:53:27.824
And in fact, mart has sent in kind of a role that we wanted
01:53:27.824 --> 01:53:34.931
To play.
01:53:34.931 --> 01:53:35.765
And mart take it away.
01:53:36.266 --> 01:53:40.770
20 years ago, i saw steve saint.
01:53:41.404 --> 01:53:43.940
I thought the story was incredible.
01:53:43.940 --> 01:53:47.777
The five men who gave their lives.
01:53:48.544 --> 01:53:52.148
The five women who raised the nine children by themselves.
01:53:53.316 --> 01:53:57.053
And then he surprised the audience and he says, oh, by
01:53:58.121 --> 01:54:00.156
The way, let me bring out the man who was one of the six men
01:54:00.156 --> 01:54:03.026
Who killed my father.
01:54:03.026 --> 01:54:04.160
And i'm like, oh my gosh, what's happening here?
01:54:04.160 --> 01:54:07.530
It was a stunning moment to see steve saint bring on stage the
01:54:08.698 --> 01:54:12.368
Man who had killed his father.
01:54:12.368 --> 01:54:15.238
You know, you're so stunned you can't even hardly take it in.
01:54:15.238 --> 01:54:20.009
I mean, he says a statement
01:54:20.610 --> 01:54:21.811
That really, really impacted me.
01:54:21.811 --> 01:54:23.813
And he said we acted badly, badly until they brought us
01:54:23.813 --> 01:54:27.517
God's carvings.
01:54:27.517 --> 01:54:28.685
Now we walk his trail.
01:54:29.185 --> 01:54:31.187
And a man, the holy spirit, just prompted me and said, this
01:54:31.187 --> 01:54:34.457
Needs to be a movie someday.
01:54:34.457 --> 01:54:39.696
The most violent culture we've ever, ever recorded is the
01:54:40.830 --> 01:54:44.667
Waodani indians.
01:54:44.667 --> 01:54:45.935
Uh, 60% homicide rate.
01:54:45.935 --> 01:54:48.071
And the reason they called it god carving is because whenever
01:54:48.071 --> 01:54:50.406
They would have raids, spring raids, everybody would flee.
01:54:50.406 --> 01:54:54.143
But your family had a carving that you would follow on the
01:54:54.143 --> 01:54:56.412
Tree so you could get back to your father.
01:54:56.412 --> 01:54:58.848
And so if you follow god's carvings, it'll take you back
01:54:58.848 --> 01:55:01.851
To your father's.
01:55:01.851 --> 01:55:03.086
And now we walk his trail.
01:55:03.086 --> 01:55:04.354
And so mincaye has walked god's
01:55:04.354 --> 01:55:06.155
Trail and is totally, totally changed.
01:55:06.155 --> 01:55:10.526
Second corinthians three two and three.
01:55:11.361 --> 01:55:13.696
In the message version, your very lives are a letter that
01:55:13.696 --> 01:55:17.266
Anybody can read by just looking at you.
01:55:17.266 --> 01:55:19.969
Christ himself wrote it not with ink, but with god's living
01:55:19.969 --> 01:55:23.539
Spirit, not chiseled in stone, but carved in human lives.
01:55:23.539 --> 01:55:28.444
And we publish it.
01:55:28.878 --> 01:55:33.583
So that was the beginning of a journey for me to make the film
01:55:34.751 --> 01:55:38.921
Into the spear and the
01:55:38.921 --> 01:55:39.889
Documentary beyond the gates of splendor.
01:55:39.889 --> 01:55:47.797
So, tom, it really was this
01:55:48.398 --> 01:55:51.768
Unusual thing that god was doing.
01:55:51.768 --> 01:55:54.837
But it feels like when a seed is planted in the ground and
01:55:54.837 --> 01:56:01.711
These five lives.
01:56:01.711 --> 01:56:03.146
God's not going to let that continue.
01:56:03.146 --> 01:56:05.415
He's going to start tapping people on the shoulder and say,
01:56:05.415 --> 01:56:08.584
This is something that i want done.
01:56:08.584 --> 01:56:10.887
You got to tap on the shoulder in 75.
01:56:10.887 --> 01:56:13.322
Mart got a tap on the shoulder.
01:56:13.322 --> 01:56:15.124
You guys came together.
01:56:15.124 --> 01:56:16.692
Jim, you got involved and you guys have been in the jungle
01:56:16.692 --> 01:56:20.463
More than anybody i know.
01:56:20.463 --> 01:56:22.465
Besides. yeah, besides arthur blessing, he wins.
01:56:22.465 --> 01:56:26.102
You guys have been in the jungle a lot telling the story.
01:56:26.102 --> 01:56:29.605
Now we're getting ready to present the feature films.
01:56:29.605 --> 01:56:33.743
Been completely remastered.
01:56:33.743 --> 01:56:35.578
Beautifully done.
01:56:36.012 --> 01:56:38.347
You've never seen it like this, even if you saw it in the
01:56:38.347 --> 01:56:41.384
Theaters, it's now completely remastered and remixed and all
01:56:41.384 --> 01:56:45.822
Of that.
01:56:45.822 --> 01:56:47.023
So, tom, what do you want the audience to what are we
01:56:47.023 --> 01:56:50.493
Preparing them for in regard to end of the spear?
01:56:50.493 --> 01:56:55.298
I think i think the greatest thing is to see that obedience,
01:56:55.298 --> 01:57:00.169
Being obedient to the lord, listening to the voice of god,
01:57:00.169 --> 01:57:03.773
And understanding that there is sometimes sacrifice, there are
01:57:03.773 --> 01:57:07.343
Things that necessarily don't appear as if god made it easy
01:57:07.343 --> 01:57:11.714
For you to to accomplish that.
01:57:11.714 --> 01:57:13.883
But god's will isn't always an easy thing.
01:57:13.883 --> 01:57:18.254
But yet, knowing how much god loves us, knowing that god put
01:57:18.254 --> 01:57:22.792
Each one of us here with a sense of destiny and a calling.
01:57:22.792 --> 01:57:26.629
He wants each one of us to realize that he wants us to do
01:57:26.629 --> 01:57:31.367
His will even more than we want to do it.
01:57:31.367 --> 01:57:34.137
Why? because it's his will.
01:57:34.137 --> 01:57:35.905
And so we also know that god is going to provide miraculously,
01:57:35.905 --> 01:57:41.477
Whatever it takes for his will to to happen.
01:57:41.477 --> 01:57:44.547
And it's interesting.
01:57:44.547 --> 01:57:45.815
I was just sitting with lou engel two days ago in lou engel
01:57:45.815 --> 01:57:48.651
Was talking about when the lord
01:57:48.651 --> 01:57:50.019
Gave him the vision for the con.
01:57:50.019 --> 01:57:51.988
They did those stadium events all over, and he said what they
01:57:51.988 --> 01:57:54.824
Did the seventh or eighth one.
01:57:54.824 --> 01:57:55.992
All of a sudden everything just dried up and stopped.
01:57:55.992 --> 01:57:58.194
And he's just like, i wasn't done now.
01:57:58.194 --> 01:58:00.129
I was really excited, he said.
01:58:00.129 --> 01:58:01.531
But that was the lord's way of saying, we're done here.
01:58:01.531 --> 01:58:03.966
It's time to move on.
01:58:03.966 --> 01:58:05.434
So for those who are watching this and are about to watch the
01:58:05.434 --> 01:58:10.072
The end of the spear, i want you to pay attention to a few
01:58:10.072 --> 01:58:13.242
Things, the call of god and the willingness and the things
01:58:13.242 --> 01:58:18.247
That we have to stand by to prepare.
01:58:18.247 --> 01:58:20.249
Sometimes we prepare for years, and we think so often when god
01:58:20.249 --> 01:58:24.787
Speaks, oh, this is great, i'm going to do this.
01:58:24.787 --> 01:58:27.089
And sometimes that great takes about 6 or 7 years.
01:58:27.089 --> 01:58:30.526
You guys are all filmmakers.
01:58:30.526 --> 01:58:31.527
You know what it is.
01:58:31.527 --> 01:58:32.828
Concept usually to presentation 7 to 9 years on average for a
01:58:32.828 --> 01:58:39.068
Film to be made.
01:58:39.068 --> 01:58:40.336
And so when god's speaking to you, you have to hold on to
01:58:40.336 --> 01:58:44.073
What he's saying and be ready for the ride ahead, but be
01:58:44.073 --> 01:58:47.343
Determined not to look to the left or look to the right.
01:58:47.343 --> 01:58:50.012
Listen. don't listen to the voice of a stranger, but hold
01:58:50.012 --> 01:58:53.082
Tight your thoughts.
01:58:53.082 --> 01:58:53.983
Jim, before we go to the film--
01:58:53.983 --> 01:58:56.352
Yes. in regards to life coming out of tragedy,
01:58:56.352 --> 01:59:00.856
Uh, jamie saint is the grandson of nate saint, and he now is
01:59:00.856 --> 01:59:05.962
The executive director of itec.
01:59:05.962 --> 01:59:08.030
And he tells his story.
01:59:08.030 --> 01:59:09.632
He says, god, i'll do anything.
01:59:09.632 --> 01:59:11.434
I just don't want to work for itec.
01:59:11.434 --> 01:59:13.536
And it's because,
01:59:13.970 --> 01:59:15.504
How do you live up to the legacy?
01:59:15.504 --> 01:59:17.607
So all the young people that are kind of watching this story
01:59:17.607 --> 01:59:20.076
And taking it in, there's
01:59:20.076 --> 01:59:21.611
Something that happened with jamie.
01:59:21.611 --> 01:59:22.778
He had the trouble, the burden of living up to nate's
01:59:22.778 --> 01:59:26.616
Legacy, to steve's legacy.
01:59:26.616 --> 01:59:28.618
And something that really helped him and to me was a
01:59:28.618 --> 01:59:31.087
Marvelous aspect of this story that i hope is an encouragement
01:59:31.087 --> 01:59:34.890
To you, is it was the waodani who helped jamie give him
01:59:34.890 --> 01:59:39.996
Purpose to train them because something happens
01:59:39.996 --> 01:59:42.999
In this story. a torch is transferred to the waodani
01:59:42.999 --> 01:59:47.870
People themselves to reach their own people, to stop their
01:59:47.870 --> 01:59:50.906
Violence in the tribe and to proclaim the life of christ to
01:59:50.906 --> 01:59:55.444
Each other and experience it.
01:59:55.444 --> 01:59:56.912
And itec works to this day all over the world to empower
01:59:56.912 --> 02:00:00.549
Indigenous churches and indigenous voices and people
02:00:00.549 --> 02:00:03.753
That you wouldn't think are qualified, and people that
02:00:03.753 --> 02:00:05.655
Don't come from the institution, but they obey and
02:00:05.655 --> 02:00:09.258
They're willing.
02:00:09.258 --> 02:00:10.526
And the way that jamie will share it is that god wants to
02:00:10.526 --> 02:00:13.629
Write the story of the indigenous church his way.
02:00:13.629 --> 02:00:17.800
When my family moved down to ecuador in 1995, i had just
02:00:18.934 --> 02:00:23.139
Graduated from high school,
02:00:23.139 --> 02:00:25.241
I knew that my grandfather, nate, had given his life trying
02:00:26.409 --> 02:00:29.545
To reach this tribe.
02:00:29.545 --> 02:00:31.781
And we asked the tribe, what do you want us to do for you?
02:00:31.781 --> 02:00:35.318
And they said, we don't want you to do anything.
02:00:35.318 --> 02:00:37.653
When the foreigners come, they can only meet a physical need.
02:00:38.854 --> 02:00:42.692
But our people have a bigger need.
02:00:42.692 --> 02:00:44.727
They have a spiritual need.
02:00:45.328 --> 02:00:48.531
You, being our family, teach us
02:00:49.165 --> 02:00:51.600
What the foreigners know how to do.
02:00:51.600 --> 02:00:54.070
We will not only be here when there's a problem, but
02:00:54.070 --> 02:00:56.772
Everybody is looking for hope, for peace and joy.
02:00:56.772 --> 02:01:01.177
And the only lasting hope, joy and peace comes from a
02:01:01.177 --> 02:01:05.281
Relationship with christ.
02:01:05.281 --> 02:01:07.550
And this is really where the idea for itec originated.
02:01:08.617 --> 02:01:12.288
Itec stands for the indigenous people's technology and
02:01:13.389 --> 02:01:17.026
Education center.
02:01:17.026 --> 02:01:19.528
Last year we did 25 trainings around the world in south
02:01:19.528 --> 02:01:23.299
America, africa and in asia.
02:01:23.299 --> 02:01:26.569
But the great commission is about multiplying, not adding.
02:01:27.737 --> 02:01:32.475
We have focused over the last few years on not just adding to
02:01:33.676 --> 02:01:38.414
Our team.
02:01:38.414 --> 02:01:40.116
How do we multiply what we're doing through churches
02:01:40.116 --> 02:01:44.687
So that they can go where they have relationships, and train
02:01:44.687 --> 02:01:48.424
The indigenous church with tools that will give them
02:01:48.424 --> 02:01:51.327
Access to unreached people groups.
02:01:51.327 --> 02:01:56.198
You know, many people ask, what's it like to live in the
02:01:57.333 --> 02:02:00.636
Shadow of nate saint, who is known around the world?
02:02:00.636 --> 02:02:04.106
Steve saint, who's written books and started ministries.
02:02:05.241 --> 02:02:10.146
You know what?
02:02:10.513 --> 02:02:11.414
God didn't ask me to be nate saint.
02:02:11.414 --> 02:02:14.784
He also didn't ask me to be steve saint.
02:02:15.618 --> 02:02:17.920
And i can't do what those men did,
02:02:17.920 --> 02:02:21.257
And they can't be me.
02:02:21.257 --> 02:02:23.526
God wants to write my story his way.
02:02:24.293 --> 02:02:29.832
The great commission is about multiplying, not adding.
02:02:30.933 --> 02:02:35.704
God wants to write the indigenous church's story
02:02:36.672 --> 02:02:40.409
His way.
02:02:40.676 --> 02:02:43.846
Lord, the answer is yes to you.
02:02:44.480 --> 02:02:47.316
You show me where to take the next step.
02:02:48.150 --> 02:02:51.654
My answer is already yes.
02:02:52.221 --> 02:02:56.125
I will follow.
02:02:56.492 --> 02:03:01.797
So.
02:03:01.997 --> 02:03:04.300
I like to say this.
02:03:04.733 --> 02:03:05.801
Occasionally we get to say this.
02:03:05.801 --> 02:03:07.470
Uncut, uninterrupted.
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No commercial breaks.
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Uh, tbn is getting to present a beautiful, uh, full length
02:03:12.441 --> 02:03:19.348
Feature film, end of the spear.
02:03:19.348 --> 02:03:21.784
♪♪
02:03:22.017 --> 02:04:06.095
Some people say we live in a
02:04:06.095 --> 02:04:07.630
World of irreconcilable differences.
02:04:07.630 --> 02:04:13.135
Others say the true peace, lasting peace
02:04:14.003 --> 02:04:18.741
Can't be obtained because we haven't found a way yet to
02:04:18.741 --> 02:04:21.977
Change the human heart.
02:04:21.977 --> 02:04:33.055
I took a journey once with a warrior named mincaye, down
02:04:34.189 --> 02:04:38.127
A remote river deep in the amazon basin of ecuador.
02:04:38.127 --> 02:04:43.666
The events of that journey will
02:04:44.300 --> 02:04:45.634
Challenge what a lot of people say.
02:04:45.634 --> 02:04:48.337
♪♪
02:04:48.571 --> 02:05:13.262
To understand what brought us to the river on that day.
02:05:13.262 --> 02:05:17.166
We need to know about mincaye and his people.
02:05:18.100 --> 02:05:21.370
The waodani.
02:05:21.704 --> 02:05:24.974
You see, our story was set in motion before i was even born.
02:05:26.175 --> 02:05:33.782
Mincaye was just a boy.
02:05:34.283 --> 02:05:46.028
Mincaye had grown up in the rainforest,
02:05:46.895 --> 02:05:49.765
Living the same way that while tiny people had lived since the
02:05:50.933 --> 02:05:53.369
Beginning of time.
02:05:53.369 --> 02:06:03.746
The fierceness of the waodani tribe was legendary.
02:06:04.780 --> 02:06:08.150
More than half of all waodani died from the spears of other
02:06:09.351 --> 02:06:12.254
Together while dining.
02:06:12.254 --> 02:06:14.523
And a cycle of revenge, spearing
02:06:15.157 --> 02:06:17.326
Had brought them to the brink of extinction.
02:06:18.227 --> 02:10:15.797
<bird call>
02:10:16.131 --> 02:10:18.567
Dayumae!
02:10:18.834 --> 02:14:04.893
Oh, ever since i was a boy, i
02:14:05.527 --> 02:14:07.095
Loved making things with my hands.
02:14:07.095 --> 02:14:11.166
Mom and aunt rachel have said that dad and i were very much
02:14:12.367 --> 02:14:14.903
Alike that way.
02:14:14.903 --> 02:14:19.374
I was eight years old when we made a model plane together.
02:14:20.542 --> 02:14:43.331
That was the time when dad was first looking for the waodani.
02:14:44.533 --> 02:15:00.315
I'd heard the violent stories of the waodani.
02:15:01.249 --> 02:15:05.220
Every one near the jungle did.
02:15:05.854 --> 02:15:08.190
Dad said he saw their violence as a trap,
02:15:09.090 --> 02:15:12.561
Like a prison that they
02:15:13.061 --> 02:15:14.262
Couldn't escape from on their own.
02:15:14.262 --> 02:15:16.998
He would make flights as often as he could, try to find one of
02:15:18.166 --> 02:15:22.103
Their small villages.
02:15:22.103 --> 02:15:23.905
That was the only time i was afraid when he was flying.
02:15:25.006 --> 02:15:29.311
I'm guessing mincaye must have been around 20 years old when
02:15:30.512 --> 02:15:33.648
He first saw my father's plane.
02:15:33.648 --> 02:15:36.985
It's a guess because the waodani don't mark time.
02:15:37.919 --> 02:15:41.289
To this day, he doesn't know his actual age.
02:15:42.190 --> 02:17:09.244
Shell five six.
02:17:09.611 --> 02:17:10.779
Henry five.
02:17:10.779 --> 02:17:12.314
South section clear.
02:17:12.314 --> 02:17:14.883
Roger that.
02:17:15.216 --> 02:17:18.153
All right.
02:17:18.453 --> 02:17:19.287
I'm going down for a closer look.
02:17:19.287 --> 02:18:29.124
Cut. contact sector six.
02:18:29.624 --> 02:18:31.626
Do you copy?
02:18:31.626 --> 02:18:32.527
Show.
02:18:32.527 --> 02:18:34.028
Roger that.
02:18:34.362 --> 02:18:35.497
Show. i said contact who?
02:18:36.064 --> 02:18:39.734
We found them.
02:18:40.101 --> 02:18:41.002
North corner, sector six.
02:18:41.002 --> 02:18:46.808
Mom!
02:18:47.008 --> 02:18:49.344
Do you copy?
02:18:49.344 --> 02:18:50.245
At second river, south of the corduroy.
02:18:50.245 --> 02:18:54.082
Mom! mom!
02:18:54.382 --> 02:18:56.651
Steady, boy.
02:18:56.985 --> 02:18:59.354
Contact sector six.
02:18:59.821 --> 02:19:01.589
Do you copy?
02:19:01.589 --> 02:19:02.490
Um,
02:19:02.490 --> 02:19:03.658
Contact sector six.
02:19:04.125 --> 02:19:05.293
Roger that.
02:19:05.293 --> 02:19:09.798
Um, i'm going around.
02:19:10.298 --> 02:19:21.409
I saw one.
02:19:21.709 --> 02:19:24.045
I know i did.
02:19:24.412 --> 02:20:02.650
The days that followed were like christmas.
02:20:03.551 --> 02:20:05.753
Our home was kind of a base for
02:20:06.387 --> 02:20:09.123
Everyone who lived in the jungle.
02:20:09.123 --> 02:20:12.260
Dad would fly them in and out of remote airstrips, bringing
02:20:13.461 --> 02:20:16.264
Them supplies.
02:20:16.264 --> 02:20:18.500
But those missionaries, the families that came to our house
02:20:19.667 --> 02:20:22.504
To celebrate finding the waodani, they were special.
02:20:22.504 --> 02:20:26.774
The elliots, the mccullys, the flemings and the
02:20:26.774 --> 02:20:30.578
Youderians. they were closer to us than any blood family.
02:20:30.578 --> 02:20:34.048
And the bucket turns in an even bigger circle.
02:20:34.048 --> 02:20:36.851
So of course it. does.
02:20:36.851 --> 02:20:38.219
Dad, of course, was always forging ahead.
02:20:38.219 --> 02:20:41.556
Jim, just watch me.
02:20:42.023 --> 02:20:43.558
That's what we're going to do, is we're going to let out so
02:20:43.558 --> 02:20:47.962
Much line that the drag of that line is going to work with
02:20:47.962 --> 02:20:51.432
Centrifugal force.
02:20:51.432 --> 02:20:52.767
You see that?
02:20:53.134 --> 02:20:54.402
And as i keep the airplane in that tight, continuous turn.
02:20:54.402 --> 02:20:59.541
Oh, well, look at that,
02:21:00.041 --> 02:21:02.010
Huh? the bucket stays in almost exactly the same spot.
02:21:03.111 --> 02:21:06.180
It hardly moves.
02:21:06.180 --> 02:21:07.815
In theory.
02:21:08.116 --> 02:21:09.050
In theory?
02:21:09.350 --> 02:21:11.886
Do you know what a theory is?
02:21:12.520 --> 02:21:15.924
You believe me?
02:21:16.291 --> 02:21:18.092
You know what this means?
02:21:18.660 --> 02:21:21.963
This is it.
02:21:22.297 --> 02:21:24.165
We made contact.
02:21:24.532 --> 02:21:27.302
Actually, nate, i've made some contact of my own.
02:21:28.303 --> 02:21:33.541
I've been learning some waodani phrases from dayumae.
02:21:34.642 --> 02:21:38.913
Now come on, buddy, just relax.
02:21:39.547 --> 02:21:40.815
Look, i've been very careful about this.
02:21:40.815 --> 02:21:42.116
Rachel knows absolutely nothing about this.
02:21:42.116 --> 02:21:44.319
Do you realize what that means?
02:21:44.319 --> 02:21:46.454
It means it's time to rejoin the planet.
02:21:47.322 --> 02:21:50.658
It means that i can say, sambau john?
02:21:50.658 --> 02:21:53.695
Where's the john? in waodani!
02:21:53.695 --> 02:21:57.098
Uncle jim.
02:21:57.398 --> 02:21:58.733
I'm gonna try this one here.
02:21:59.334 --> 02:22:02.904
Shouldn't you tell rachel?
02:22:02.904 --> 02:22:06.541
No. she understands the language better than any of us.
02:22:07.609 --> 02:22:10.878
Betty, i tell my sister
02:22:11.379 --> 02:22:13.414
She's gonna go tell her superiors.
02:22:14.182 --> 02:22:16.718
Next. we're gonna still be
02:22:16.718 --> 02:22:18.286
Talking about this in two years.
02:22:18.286 --> 02:22:20.555
We don't have two years, betty.
02:22:20.555 --> 02:22:25.793
The waodani are killing
02:22:26.294 --> 02:22:28.563
So many people.
02:22:28.930 --> 02:22:31.366
The government's under pressure.
02:22:32.000 --> 02:22:33.034
They're going to bring in troops.
02:22:33.034 --> 02:22:35.436
We have one chance to reach these people
02:22:36.304 --> 02:22:39.741
Now this is it.
02:22:40.108 --> 02:22:47.415
If nate's bucket drop really works, he thinks he can find a
02:22:48.583 --> 02:22:50.685
Place on the river to put the plane down.
02:22:50.685 --> 02:22:51.953
Maybe a sandbar.
02:22:51.953 --> 02:22:53.554
Hey, we'll call it palm beach.
02:22:53.554 --> 02:22:56.524
Jim. oh!
02:22:56.524 --> 02:22:57.392
Come on.
02:22:57.392 --> 02:22:58.493
Ha!
02:22:58.693 --> 02:23:01.329
Ooh! ooh!
02:23:01.629 --> 02:23:03.097
Sleeping tree house.
02:23:03.097 --> 02:23:07.135
Jim.
02:23:07.335 --> 02:23:08.302
This is not a picnic.
02:23:08.803 --> 02:23:11.239
No one's ever made contact with these people and lived to talk
02:23:11.239 --> 02:23:13.808
About it.
02:23:13.808 --> 02:23:14.742
We'll have our guns if it comes to it.
02:23:14.742 --> 02:23:15.910
We'll shoot in the air.
02:23:15.910 --> 02:23:16.744
The indians always run from guns.
02:23:16.744 --> 02:23:19.514
They always run, olive.
02:23:20.014 --> 02:23:22.550
And what if they don't run?
02:23:22.550 --> 02:24:04.625
It looks like they're home.
02:24:05.226 --> 02:24:06.661
Oh, yeah.
02:24:06.661 --> 02:24:07.762
Are you sure this will work?
02:24:08.362 --> 02:24:09.864
You know what a theory is?
02:24:09.864 --> 02:24:12.433
I know what an idiot is.
02:24:12.433 --> 02:24:18.573
Let's go.
02:24:18.873 --> 02:24:19.540
Bucket time.
02:24:19.540 --> 02:24:20.508
Copy that.
02:24:20.508 --> 02:24:22.443
Oh!
02:24:22.643 --> 02:24:24.545
Vaya con dios!
02:24:24.912 --> 02:24:27.949
Here we go.
02:24:28.282 --> 02:24:29.884
Oh!
02:24:30.084 --> 02:24:42.930
Tell you that, boy, you're shaking my breakfast.
02:24:43.931 --> 02:24:46.400
Don't throw up on the waodani.
02:24:46.400 --> 02:24:50.071
♪♪
02:24:50.304 --> 02:25:56.037
That was incredible.
02:25:56.504 --> 02:25:58.272
The guys are never gonna believe it.
02:25:59.040 --> 02:26:00.808
This is fantastic.
02:26:01.242 --> 02:26:03.344
Woo woo!
02:26:03.611 --> 02:26:14.155
Aunt rachel lived in a remote quechua village that bordered
02:26:15.356 --> 02:26:18.726
Waodani territory.
02:26:18.726 --> 02:26:20.161
She was 12 years older than dad and helped raise him.
02:26:21.262 --> 02:26:24.966
I knew dad was protecting her
02:26:25.600 --> 02:26:27.168
By keeping the waodani contact a secret.
02:26:27.168 --> 02:26:29.637
I just wanted someone to protect dad.
02:26:30.438 --> 02:26:33.007
Ella. ella.
02:26:33.341 --> 02:26:34.942
Ella. over.
02:26:35.276 --> 02:26:36.510
Ella. this is shell.
02:26:36.978 --> 02:26:38.346
Over.
02:26:38.346 --> 02:26:39.981
Stevie. what a wonderful surprise.
02:26:39.981 --> 02:26:42.550
How are you?
02:26:42.550 --> 02:26:44.118
Oh, i'm good, aunt rachel.
02:26:44.118 --> 02:26:45.253
I'm good.
02:26:45.253 --> 02:26:46.454
But i'm preparing a little surprise for mom, and i need
02:26:46.454 --> 02:26:49.290
Some help.
02:26:49.290 --> 02:26:50.324
A surprise.
02:26:50.658 --> 02:26:51.659
Sounds great.
02:26:51.659 --> 02:26:52.260
Fire away.
02:26:52.260 --> 02:26:53.694
Well, mom wanted dad to speak at least one line in native
02:26:53.694 --> 02:26:56.564
Dialect properly.
02:26:56.564 --> 02:26:58.032
But now he's driving her nuts.
02:26:58.032 --> 02:27:00.501
Hey, don't be so hard on him.
02:27:01.135 --> 02:27:02.503
His quechua is not that bad.
02:27:02.503 --> 02:27:04.338
No. not quechua, woadani.
02:27:04.338 --> 02:27:11.345
Woadani?
02:27:11.612 --> 02:27:12.580
Why?
02:27:12.780 --> 02:27:14.548
Well,
02:27:14.782 --> 02:27:16.317
Because he wants to be able to greet dayumae.
02:27:16.317 --> 02:27:18.319
Next time she comes.
02:27:18.319 --> 02:27:21.923
All right.
02:27:22.223 --> 02:27:23.090
What do you have in mind?
02:27:23.090 --> 02:27:24.358
Something simple like.
02:27:24.358 --> 02:27:26.727
I'm your friend.
02:27:26.727 --> 02:27:28.829
So you want.
02:27:29.163 --> 02:27:30.598
I'm your friend in wao.
02:27:30.598 --> 02:27:32.400
Your sincere friend.
02:27:32.867 --> 02:27:34.769
Well, that's an easy one.
02:27:35.336 --> 02:27:36.237
Just repeat this after dayumae.
02:27:36.237 --> 02:27:39.040
Hi de uma.
02:27:39.340 --> 02:27:41.108
Hello e stevie.
02:27:41.475 --> 02:27:43.144
We say bua... ...bua
02:27:43.644 --> 02:27:48.082
Bia... ...bia.
02:27:48.449 --> 02:27:50.785
U nu bua...
02:27:51.118 --> 02:27:51.886
U nu bua.
02:27:52.186 --> 02:27:53.521
Bua. bia. u nu bua!
02:27:53.988 --> 02:27:56.290
Uh huh. bia bua
02:27:56.657 --> 02:27:57.792
♪♪
02:27:58.025 --> 02:28:21.282
♪♪
02:28:21.515 --> 02:32:08.242
They give us something.
02:32:08.742 --> 02:32:09.743
Yeah.
02:32:09.743 --> 02:32:11.145
Kidding me.
02:32:11.478 --> 02:32:14.848
Oh, must be a very special bird.
02:32:15.482 --> 02:32:18.919
Here we go.
02:32:19.253 --> 02:33:05.165
Stevie boy.
02:33:05.499 --> 02:33:07.034
Lunch.
02:33:07.268 --> 02:33:10.938
Honey, your daddy won't be back for hours.
02:33:11.805 --> 02:33:15.442
I'm not hungry.
02:33:15.809 --> 02:33:32.259
I knew we had a small runway.
02:33:32.893 --> 02:33:36.096
I tried to imagine dad landing on the river sandbar he'd found
02:33:37.264 --> 02:33:40.534
Near the waodani village.
02:33:40.534 --> 02:33:45.906
I told him i wished i could be there with him.
02:33:46.840 --> 02:33:48.909
He said, don't worry.
02:33:49.410 --> 02:33:51.211
You will be.
02:33:51.545 --> 02:33:53.514
♪♪
02:33:53.747 --> 02:34:45.299
Come on.
02:34:45.566 --> 02:35:29.109
Oh, here we go.
02:35:29.476 --> 02:35:30.978
Wanna go, mama bear?
02:35:31.445 --> 02:35:33.113
Mama. the rocks in your hand.
02:35:33.113 --> 02:35:36.550
Mhm.
02:35:36.750 --> 02:35:39.186
Oh little girl.
02:35:39.553 --> 02:35:42.356
Be good.
02:35:42.623 --> 02:35:43.357
Mm. hmm.
02:35:43.624 --> 02:35:48.095
Son, you know i can
02:35:48.562 --> 02:35:50.097
Leave that here.
02:35:50.464 --> 02:35:52.332
Just say the word
02:35:52.766 --> 02:35:54.435
Mm.
02:35:54.635 --> 02:35:56.370
Good boy.
02:35:56.670 --> 02:36:01.008
Get it in the airplane.
02:36:01.508 --> 02:36:08.182
I guess that's it.
02:36:08.615 --> 02:36:29.970
Do you know how far away the sun is?
02:36:30.737 --> 02:36:34.374
93 million miles.
02:36:34.808 --> 02:36:44.318
Do you know that?
02:36:44.751 --> 02:36:45.352
That's a fraction.
02:36:45.352 --> 02:36:49.356
Of how much your daddy loves you.
02:36:50.023 --> 02:36:56.129
If the waodani attack,
02:36:56.630 --> 02:36:58.565
Will you defend yourself?
02:36:59.132 --> 02:37:01.201
Will you use your guns?
02:37:01.702 --> 02:37:04.872
Son, we can't shoot the waudoni.
02:37:05.606 --> 02:37:10.444
They're not ready for heaven.
02:37:11.078 --> 02:37:14.748
We are.
02:37:14.982 --> 02:37:17.951
But promise me one thing.
02:37:18.519 --> 02:37:20.153
Just one.
02:37:20.454 --> 02:37:22.289
One thing.
02:37:22.589 --> 02:37:24.758
Sound like your mother.
02:37:25.259 --> 02:37:28.729
If you get in a jam, a real jam.
02:37:29.363 --> 02:37:33.367
Promise me you'll say these words to them.
02:37:33.367 --> 02:37:35.536
What words?
02:37:35.869 --> 02:37:36.904
The only words they mean.
02:37:37.471 --> 02:37:40.107
I am your friend.
02:37:40.107 --> 02:37:41.508
Your sincere friend.
02:37:41.975 --> 02:37:44.645
Bua bia u nu bua
02:37:45.012 --> 02:37:52.052
Bua...
02:37:52.286 --> 02:37:54.321
Bia...
02:37:54.555 --> 02:37:56.990
U...
02:37:57.190 --> 02:37:58.759
U nu bua.
02:37:58.759 --> 02:37:59.726
U nu bua. bua bia u nu bua.
02:37:59.726 --> 02:38:06.099
Right.
02:38:06.333 --> 02:38:07.100
Yeah.
02:38:07.334 --> 02:38:10.003
Okay.
02:38:10.237 --> 02:38:18.779
Got everything then?
02:38:19.246 --> 02:38:23.283
One. two.
02:38:23.584 --> 02:38:24.251
Three. four.
02:38:24.251 --> 02:38:26.620
Good.
02:38:26.853 --> 02:38:33.694
Thank you.
02:38:33.994 --> 02:38:37.397
Watch.
02:38:37.631 --> 02:38:44.504
Him
02:38:44.705 --> 02:38:46.373
Come back to me.
02:38:46.740 --> 02:38:57.884
See you on the radio.
02:38:58.385 --> 02:39:04.124
Be a good boy.
02:39:04.491 --> 02:39:06.093
♪♪
02:39:06.326 --> 02:39:39.860
Love you, dad.
02:39:40.227 --> 02:39:47.567
Love you.
02:39:47.868 --> 02:40:27.040
Dayumae!
02:40:27.307 --> 02:40:29.076
Roger.
02:40:29.309 --> 02:40:30.844
What do you think?
02:40:31.278 --> 02:40:33.580
All this preaching of the jungle.
02:40:34.314 --> 02:40:36.149
How long before the monkeys get saved?
02:40:36.149 --> 02:40:39.019
At least.
02:40:39.319 --> 02:40:39.853
If they do, we'll
02:40:39.853 --> 02:40:41.054
Know someone's listening.
02:40:41.054 --> 02:41:47.020
Gentlemen.
02:41:47.320 --> 02:41:48.488
We got company.
02:41:48.855 --> 02:42:25.091
My name is ed.
02:42:25.458 --> 02:42:27.594
What is your name?
02:42:28.028 --> 02:42:38.238
Maybe her name is really, really long.
02:42:39.039 --> 02:43:26.586
All right.
02:43:26.887 --> 02:43:27.654
Uh.
02:43:27.654 --> 02:43:28.555
My mind.
02:43:28.822 --> 02:43:29.522
I don't
02:43:29.522 --> 02:43:31.458
I don't know.
02:43:31.825 --> 02:43:32.459
Want something?
02:43:32.826 --> 02:43:34.394
Take the gun.
02:43:34.761 --> 02:43:37.197
Uh.
02:43:37.397 --> 02:43:42.202
My mind.
02:43:42.469 --> 02:43:42.869
All right.
02:43:42.869 --> 02:43:43.436
Airplane. airplane!
02:43:43.436 --> 02:43:44.905
Okay. oh.
02:43:45.205 --> 02:43:50.911
Yeah. that's what you want.
02:43:51.511 --> 02:43:54.681
We're going to go for a ride.
02:43:55.315 --> 02:43:57.984
♪♪
02:43:58.218 --> 02:44:28.448
No no no.
02:44:28.448 --> 02:44:30.583
♪♪
02:44:30.817 --> 02:45:08.955
Yeah.
02:45:08.955 --> 02:45:09.689
Hey, jim.
02:45:09.990 --> 02:45:13.860
Let me
02:45:14.094 --> 02:45:15.528
Get out of the airplane right above the village.
02:45:15.528 --> 02:45:20.333
Ah!
02:45:20.533 --> 02:45:23.903
They saw him.
02:45:24.270 --> 02:45:25.271
They know we're friendly.
02:45:25.271 --> 02:45:26.639
Yeah. thank you.
02:45:26.639 --> 02:45:28.975
Great. thank you.
02:45:28.975 --> 02:45:30.744
But i'm gonna kill
02:45:30.744 --> 02:45:32.912
Her.
02:45:33.113 --> 02:45:35.749
Uh, you don't.
02:45:36.116 --> 02:45:37.517
Understand.
02:45:37.517 --> 02:45:38.084
You go up.
02:45:38.084 --> 02:45:40.520
Up.
02:45:40.720 --> 02:45:42.188
Pete. come here.
02:45:42.555 --> 02:45:43.723
I don't know, uh, i
02:45:44.190 --> 02:45:46.493
Checked my notes.
02:45:46.926 --> 02:45:47.994
They speak so fast, i.
02:45:47.994 --> 02:45:57.437
Suppertime.
02:45:57.771 --> 02:46:09.549
Just proposed to you, roger.
02:46:10.150 --> 02:48:00.860
Don't drink at all,
02:48:01.327 --> 02:48:10.837
Missionaries!
02:48:11.204 --> 02:48:14.574
What? oh.
02:48:14.874 --> 02:48:36.162
Unh!
02:48:36.362 --> 02:49:13.366
Come in, come in, come in.
02:49:13.933 --> 02:49:43.062
Bua.. bia.. u nu bua..
02:49:43.630 --> 02:49:50.637
Bia.. u nu bua..
02:49:51.004 --> 02:49:53.640
♪♪
02:49:53.873 --> 02:51:23.696
<garbled>
02:51:23.996 --> 02:51:25.198
This is shell.
02:51:25.565 --> 02:51:27.266
<garbled>
02:51:27.567 --> 02:51:29.302
This is shell.
02:51:29.669 --> 02:51:31.204
Dad!
02:51:31.404 --> 02:51:38.211
Are you okay?
02:51:38.578 --> 02:51:48.321
You are the parent. take good care of them.
02:51:49.222 --> 02:51:52.291
I know what you want.
02:51:52.792 --> 02:51:53.659
Okay?
02:51:53.659 --> 02:52:01.367
Okay. mom wants to talk now.
02:52:01.968 --> 02:52:04.504
So please pick up.
02:52:04.504 --> 02:52:06.539
Please, dad.
02:52:06.873 --> 02:56:02.341
Rachel. it was so hard for nate not to tell you.
02:56:03.309 --> 02:56:20.993
So far, we found four of them.
02:56:21.627 --> 02:56:25.297
Jim. roger.
02:56:25.631 --> 02:56:28.768
Pete.
02:56:29.001 --> 02:56:29.702
What about ed?
02:56:30.069 --> 02:56:32.004
He just told me that they found him in the water at the edge of
02:56:32.004 --> 02:56:35.608
The beach.
02:56:35.608 --> 02:56:37.009
By the time we got there, the water had come up and had
02:56:37.009 --> 02:56:39.011
Carried him away and
02:56:39.011 --> 02:56:41.180
Mary lou, i wanted so badly to go get him.
02:56:41.180 --> 02:56:43.883
And there's still a chance.
02:56:43.883 --> 02:56:45.718
No, ma'am.
02:56:46.018 --> 02:56:47.286
Keech was positively identified.
02:56:47.286 --> 02:56:49.255
They took his wrist watch to prove it was him.
02:56:49.255 --> 02:56:59.432
And nate?
02:56:59.732 --> 02:57:01.767
We found nate.
02:57:02.134 --> 02:57:05.404
In the river right near palm beach.
02:57:06.138 --> 03:00:38.784
I'm not your friend anymore.
03:00:39.385 --> 03:00:41.053
I'm not anybody's friend anymore.
03:00:41.787 --> 03:01:07.913
Bua bia u nu bua, steve saint.
03:01:08.614 --> 03:01:10.015
It didn't work.
03:01:10.382 --> 03:01:12.651
Don't judge that too quickly.
03:01:13.285 --> 03:01:18.824
You know, hurting the dog won't help.
03:01:19.625 --> 03:01:23.629
Come here.
03:01:23.929 --> 03:02:17.649
Dimabe! dimabe! maeguano! maegauno!
03:02:18.450 --> 03:02:25.524
No! this is my family.
03:02:26.025 --> 03:02:36.735
My family.
03:02:37.036 --> 03:02:39.838
Killed your family.
03:02:40.305 --> 03:02:46.578
I'm so sorry.
03:02:46.945 --> 03:02:47.679
No, no.
03:02:47.679 --> 03:02:49.281
I'm sorry.
03:02:49.581 --> 03:02:50.549
Dayumae was never the same after that day.
03:02:50.549 --> 03:02:53.619
The cycle of violence that her family had lived in had come
03:02:54.787 --> 03:02:57.689
Around to catch her again.
03:02:57.689 --> 03:03:03.562
She began to talk about returning to her tribe
03:03:04.463 --> 03:03:06.965
So that they would know that not all foreigners kill.
03:03:08.000 --> 03:03:14.706
It wasn't very long before her
03:03:15.340 --> 03:03:16.742
Family provided her the opportunity.
03:03:16.742 --> 03:03:20.279
Her sister and mother were still looking for her.
03:03:21.280 --> 03:03:28.253
And now they were desperate enough to take their chances
03:03:29.388 --> 03:03:31.757
With the foreigners
03:03:31.757 --> 03:03:32.991
Just as she had done years before.
03:03:33.759 --> 03:06:48.754
If they had not been women, they would have been killed.
03:06:49.888 --> 03:06:55.360
So dayumae believed that women going to her family might be
03:06:56.528 --> 03:07:00.766
Shown the same mercy.
03:07:00.766 --> 03:08:57.682
I don't like this, mommy.
03:08:58.250 --> 03:08:59.985
It's just a game, honey,
03:08:59.985 --> 03:09:01.319
To see who can touch the most.
03:09:01.319 --> 03:17:27.458
Oh, god.
03:17:27.725 --> 03:17:37.969
Hi.
03:17:38.169 --> 03:17:50.114
No, that's boiled
03:17:50.548 --> 03:17:51.716
Plantain, mash and water.
03:17:51.716 --> 03:17:53.117
Oh, i have so many stories about when i first came to
03:17:53.117 --> 03:17:56.087
Visit aunt rachel and--
03:17:56.087 --> 03:18:02.660
Let's just say there are some things you never forget.
03:18:03.761 --> 03:18:20.378
According to waodani tradition,
03:18:21.079 --> 03:18:23.281
As my father's oldest son, i would be responsible for
03:18:24.349 --> 03:18:27.051
Avenging his death.
03:18:27.051 --> 03:18:30.521
So aunt rachel warned me never
03:18:31.155 --> 03:18:32.590
To appear too interested in the particulars.
03:18:32.590 --> 03:18:37.662
She herself had no idea who the actual killers were.
03:18:38.730 --> 03:18:44.068
But of course, i couldn't help but wonder.
03:18:44.969 --> 03:18:50.141
That was when i first saw mincayani.
03:18:50.908 --> 03:18:53.578
I remember feeling like i irritated him.
03:18:54.445 --> 03:22:31.195
Are we going to run?
03:22:31.662 --> 03:22:35.032
No, stevie boy.
03:22:35.399 --> 03:22:44.575
We not kill.
03:22:44.909 --> 03:22:48.145
He is saying no, you no kill.
03:22:48.779 --> 03:22:52.283
Even spearing us,
03:22:52.283 --> 03:22:55.419
We no spear you.
03:22:55.786 --> 03:23:03.194
Very angry.
03:23:03.527 --> 03:23:04.395
They say we
03:23:04.395 --> 03:23:06.831
Make fever.
03:23:07.164 --> 03:23:10.134
They die.
03:23:10.434 --> 03:23:22.113
They say no.
03:23:22.446 --> 03:23:24.181
We live well.
03:23:24.548 --> 03:23:48.072
They pleaded with their family for hours.
03:23:48.939 --> 03:23:52.043
In the end, the anomane sickness helped turn the tide.
03:23:53.144 --> 03:23:57.682
In the darkness just before dawn,
03:23:58.416 --> 03:24:01.218
They became too weak to attack.
03:24:01.852 --> 03:24:08.759
Whoo!
03:24:08.993 --> 03:24:13.431
Hoo!
03:24:13.631 --> 03:24:14.999
Hoo hoo hoo!
03:24:15.333 --> 03:25:34.378
Hello. we have an emergency. over.
03:25:35.112 --> 03:25:38.115
This is shell.
03:25:38.482 --> 03:25:39.283
What's wrong rachel? over.
03:25:39.283 --> 03:25:41.285
Kimo and dawa have returned with anomanone.
03:25:41.285 --> 03:25:43.287
All of them.
03:25:43.621 --> 03:25:44.388
They have polio.
03:25:44.755 --> 03:25:45.689
They're dying.
03:25:45.689 --> 03:25:46.323
Over.
03:25:46.557 --> 03:25:48.292
Roger. you'll have to quarantine the village,
03:25:48.292 --> 03:25:50.661
Rachel. you read?
03:25:50.661 --> 03:25:55.166
We read you, frank.
03:25:55.633 --> 03:25:57.334
Tell everyone to pray.
03:25:57.835 --> 03:26:50.721
She's shouting.
03:26:51.088 --> 03:26:52.189
He's saying no food.
03:26:52.656 --> 03:26:54.058
Children will die.
03:26:54.058 --> 03:27:02.199
Quarantine meant we couldn't leave the village.
03:27:03.200 --> 03:27:06.070
No one could walk in with supplies.
03:27:06.871 --> 03:27:12.543
I felt trapped in a place that wasn't my home.
03:27:13.511 --> 03:27:16.013
Little did i know that mincayani felt trapped as well.
03:27:17.047 --> 03:27:20.751
And this place was his home.
03:27:21.352 --> 03:27:55.286
How are you bearing up, rachel?
03:27:55.920 --> 03:27:57.655
The monkeys and wild boar seem to have abandoned this
03:27:57.655 --> 03:27:59.623
Part of the jungle.
03:27:59.623 --> 03:28:00.858
Thanks for the drop. over.
03:28:00.858 --> 03:28:10.401
This is all the medicine we have in shell.
03:28:11.235 --> 03:28:14.038
We're bringing more down from quito.
03:28:14.038 --> 03:28:16.507
And we need more advice on how to keep them breathing.
03:28:16.507 --> 03:28:19.610
Maybe you could talk to doctor wally.
03:28:19.610 --> 03:28:21.979
I did. you just got to keep
03:28:21.979 --> 03:28:24.081
Them moving on those teeter totters.
03:28:24.081 --> 03:28:26.050
But their lungs are still filling.
03:28:26.050 --> 03:28:28.452
We'll keep you in food and medicine until the
03:28:28.452 --> 03:28:30.588
Quarantine is lifted.
03:28:30.588 --> 03:28:32.256
Tell marge mary lou says little phil is fine.
03:28:32.256 --> 03:28:36.594
We're all praying for you.
03:28:37.161 --> 03:33:46.203
After eight weeks, the quarantine was lifted.
03:33:47.137 --> 03:33:49.740
My mother and sister and i could finally go home.
03:33:50.674 --> 03:33:55.379
The teeter totters had stopped, and with them
03:33:56.313 --> 03:34:00.217
The endless cycle of revenge.
03:34:00.851 --> 03:34:04.054
The waodani had found a reason to live differently.
03:34:05.088 --> 03:34:08.625
And in the end,
03:34:08.992 --> 03:34:11.161
That seemed to be what so many of them were waiting for.
03:34:11.161 --> 03:34:14.598
I'll miss you so much.
03:34:15.098 --> 03:34:16.867
You'll just miss the --.
03:34:17.367 --> 03:34:21.705
I'd like to say goodbye to mincayani.
03:34:22.506 --> 03:34:26.276
It's important to do what's in your heart, stevie.
03:34:27.277 --> 03:35:37.414
After i left mincayani,
03:35:37.914 --> 03:35:40.650
I started a new life that would take me to the united states.
03:35:40.650 --> 03:35:45.455
Aunt rachel and i kept in touch.
03:35:46.089 --> 03:35:47.758
And occasionally i'd visit in the summers.
03:35:47.758 --> 03:35:53.830
She spent the rest of her life with the waodani.
03:35:54.831 --> 03:36:06.810
I was living with my family in florida when i got the news
03:36:07.978 --> 03:36:10.781
That aunt rachel had died.
03:36:10.781 --> 03:36:13.850
It didn't come as a surprise.
03:36:14.484 --> 03:36:16.820
We had known about her cancer.
03:36:17.454 --> 03:36:23.126
And though she came from a large family in the states, she
03:36:24.261 --> 03:36:28.065
Wanted to be buried with the waodani, who she considered to
03:36:28.065 --> 03:36:30.734
Be family as well.
03:36:30.734 --> 03:36:32.335
So my wife, jenny, and i traveled to ecuador to
03:36:33.270 --> 03:36:36.006
Honor her request.
03:36:36.006 --> 03:37:31.128
What are you thinking?
03:37:31.628 --> 03:37:33.730
Dayumae
03:37:33.964 --> 03:37:36.933
Way of life.
03:37:37.267 --> 03:37:42.239
Faith.
03:37:42.472 --> 03:41:27.197
What mincayani was there was something i needed to see.
03:41:28.298 --> 03:41:32.402
No other explanation was offered.
03:41:33.136 --> 03:41:39.843
And so our journey that had spanned two worlds bridged the
03:41:41.010 --> 03:41:45.949
Stone age in the 21st century,
03:41:45.949 --> 03:41:49.486
Finally led us here
03:41:49.953 --> 03:41:51.654
Down the lonely river.
03:41:52.155 --> 03:42:40.270
Is it--
03:42:40.503 --> 03:42:43.907
Is this--
03:42:44.207 --> 03:42:45.208
Is this what happened?
03:42:45.208 --> 03:44:04.020
What?
03:44:04.254 --> 03:44:08.358
What did he say?
03:44:08.725 --> 03:44:10.059
Tell me.
03:44:10.059 --> 03:45:35.378
What?
03:45:35.612 --> 03:45:42.285
What?
03:45:42.518 --> 03:46:46.149
My father lost his life at the end of the spear.
03:46:47.116 --> 03:46:50.787
And it was at the end of the spear
03:46:51.554 --> 03:46:54.490
That mincayani and i found ours.
03:46:55.124 --> 03:47:00.029
It's true that my dad and his four friends were not given the
03:47:01.230 --> 03:47:04.067
Privilege of watching their
03:47:04.067 --> 03:47:05.301
Children and grandchildren grow up.
03:47:05.301 --> 03:47:08.137
But mincayani is a grandfather.
03:47:08.771 --> 03:47:11.107
It's the first time in waodani history
03:47:11.941 --> 03:47:14.777
They've ever had so many grandfathers.
03:47:15.611 --> 03:47:18.448
He's not only a grandfather to his own children, he's a
03:47:19.582 --> 03:47:23.519
Grandfather to mine.
03:47:23.519 --> 03:47:26.789
My dad would have liked that.
03:47:27.423 --> 03:47:31.160
Through the years,
03:47:31.594 --> 03:47:32.829
People could always identify with our loss.
03:47:33.730 --> 03:47:36.966
But they could never imagine the way that we would
03:47:38.000 --> 03:47:39.902
Experience gain.
03:47:39.902 --> 03:48:07.897
♪♪
03:48:08.131 --> 03:48:23.980
Mincaye came to the states and that has started
03:48:24.947 --> 03:48:28.484
These visits. he said
03:48:28.985 --> 03:48:30.319
Some of the foreigners are so nice that even when you're when
03:48:30.319 --> 03:48:33.256
You're driving, you just stop by their houses and, and you go
03:48:33.256 --> 03:48:37.093
To one of the, one of the openings in their walls.
03:48:37.093 --> 03:48:40.997
And he said they just open it for you and, and then they
03:48:40.997 --> 03:48:43.800
Start giving you food and it's already hot and it's already
03:48:43.800 --> 03:48:46.769
Cooked and stuff, he said.
03:48:46.769 --> 03:48:48.271
I see those foreigners very, very well.
03:48:48.271 --> 03:48:51.707
When mincaye came back from the states the first time, he told
03:48:51.707 --> 03:48:54.510
The people that the foreigners are really big and fat because
03:48:54.510 --> 03:48:58.648
Even when they go walking, they don't move their feet.
03:48:58.648 --> 03:49:01.017
They just get on the trail and the trail moves. well,
03:49:01.017 --> 03:49:05.588
His wife said, oh, you're talking wild.
03:49:05.588 --> 03:49:12.094
Mincaye just kept saying, that's why all the foreigners are fat.
03:49:13.329 --> 03:49:16.766
They don't walk, they don't climb, they don't make gardens.
03:49:16.766 --> 03:49:20.870
When they got to that one,
03:49:20.870 --> 03:49:22.872
They just she just said, well,
03:49:23.506 --> 03:49:25.141
How are they going to live then?
03:49:25.141 --> 03:49:27.243
Mincaye said, they have these big food houses.
03:49:27.243 --> 03:49:30.046
And he said there's just piles of food.
03:49:30.046 --> 03:49:38.221
First, there's these young people and they're standing at
03:49:39.355 --> 03:49:42.692
The place where you go out and you smile as big as you can.
03:49:42.692 --> 03:49:46.162
And he said, they pretend like they're not seeing you.
03:49:46.162 --> 03:49:48.531
And then he said, then after a little while, then they look at
03:49:48.531 --> 03:49:51.601
You and they smile.
03:49:51.601 --> 03:49:52.902
And he said, when they smile, boom, you can just go and take
03:49:52.902 --> 03:49:55.504
All the food with you.
03:49:55.504 --> 03:49:56.606
And i said, well, it's it's kind of like that.
03:49:56.606 --> 03:49:59.175
So i just took out my credit card and i said, first, you
03:49:59.175 --> 03:50:01.477
Have to give them something like this.
03:50:01.477 --> 03:50:03.713
Mincaye looked and he smiled and he said, they just
03:50:03.713 --> 03:50:06.916
Give it right back to you.
03:50:06.916 --> 03:50:12.121
She griping at me.
03:50:12.555 --> 03:50:13.756
She said, what do you mean?
03:50:13.756 --> 03:50:16.025
Sending mincaye back here?
03:50:16.025 --> 03:50:17.360
He was so fat that whenever i'd say mincaye go out and bring
03:50:17.360 --> 03:50:22.565
Some meat back for me, she said he would just go out and he'd
03:50:22.565 --> 03:50:26.035
Find a tree and he'd just [oof].
03:50:26.035 --> 03:50:34.210
Mincaye came to terms with, uh, what it meant
03:50:35.144 --> 03:50:39.949
To connect with god and to forgive steve and for
03:50:40.950 --> 03:50:43.653
Steve to forgive him.
03:50:43.653 --> 03:50:45.054
And the torch is passed to mincaye.
03:50:45.788 --> 03:50:48.524
And i hope what you get out of this is a torch passed to you.
03:50:48.524 --> 03:50:53.062
And no matter what hardships happen and how long it takes to
03:50:53.062 --> 03:50:56.165
Kind of get there, we serve the kind of god that calls on us to
03:50:56.165 --> 03:51:02.071
Pick up what we've learned, the love that we've been given and
03:51:02.071 --> 03:51:05.341
To give it to others and to see the waodani do that,
03:51:05.341 --> 03:51:09.245
Uh, it's one of the great privileges of knowing
03:51:09.245 --> 03:51:11.747
This whole project.
03:51:11.747 --> 03:51:14.317
You know, i think what i'd want to say to each of you is, god
03:51:15.518 --> 03:51:20.256
Knew you'd be watching this tonight.
03:51:20.256 --> 03:51:22.024
This is a special time for you.
03:51:22.024 --> 03:51:24.093
I was a 21 year old kid when i read that book.
03:51:24.093 --> 03:51:27.296
And the lord spoke to me and said, do that.
03:51:27.296 --> 03:51:29.765
I was 50 years old when the movie got released.
03:51:29.765 --> 03:51:33.936
30 year-- almost 30 years between now.
03:51:33.936 --> 03:51:36.739
I'm 70 and now we're looking back at those times,
03:51:36.739 --> 03:51:40.109
Remembering. i don't know what stage of life you're in.
03:51:40.109 --> 03:51:42.912
You could be in one of those three stages.
03:51:42.912 --> 03:51:44.513
Maybe you've just heard from the lord about something
03:51:44.513 --> 03:51:47.316
He's asked you to do.
03:51:47.316 --> 03:51:48.784
Maybe you've heard from the lord and you've put off, or you
03:51:48.784 --> 03:51:51.687
Said it's too late.
03:51:51.687 --> 03:51:52.788
Well, 30 years later, we finally got to that film.
03:51:52.788 --> 03:51:56.492
Whatever situation you're in, whether you just heard from the
03:51:56.492 --> 03:51:59.862
Lord or you've put off what god has asked of your life, can i
03:51:59.862 --> 03:52:04.066
Encourage you to just reflect upon what this film was about,
03:52:04.066 --> 03:52:08.704
About those that committed to follow god, no matter the cost?
03:52:08.704 --> 03:52:12.742
We, each one of us, are going to stand in front of god and
03:52:12.742 --> 03:52:15.378
Give an account of our lives.
03:52:15.378 --> 03:52:16.912
Every one of us.
03:52:16.912 --> 03:52:17.913
And we think about this earth
03:52:18.547 --> 03:52:20.649
And about our lives here so much.
03:52:20.649 --> 03:52:23.119
But have you really considered your eternity?
03:52:23.119 --> 03:52:26.022
Perhaps you're here tonight and you've never really given
03:52:26.022 --> 03:52:28.524
Your life to christ.
03:52:28.524 --> 03:52:30.192
Maybe you would be like the waodani.
03:52:30.192 --> 03:52:31.994
You're a living for no reason.
03:52:31.994 --> 03:52:33.763
You have no reason why you're living.
03:52:33.763 --> 03:52:36.032
Can i encourage you right now to surrender your life to
03:52:36.032 --> 03:52:38.901
Christ, just to call out on him? if you're willing and you say,
03:52:38.901 --> 03:52:42.505
Yes, i know that i need to know jesus,
03:52:42.505 --> 03:52:45.307
Can i just pray with you right now?
03:52:45.307 --> 03:52:46.809
Would you just say this prayer after me? lord jesus,
03:52:46.809 --> 03:52:50.679
Lord jesus, forgive me for my sin.
03:52:50.679 --> 03:52:53.849
Thank you for the amazing
03:52:54.417 --> 03:52:56.318
Example of jim elliot and his men.
03:52:56.318 --> 03:52:58.554
I ask you, lord, that i would know your purpose and your
03:52:59.688 --> 03:53:03.259
Plan for my life.
03:53:03.259 --> 03:53:05.561
Come inside of me right now.
03:53:06.162 --> 03:53:07.463
Lord jesus, i invite you inside of my heart.
03:53:07.463 --> 03:53:10.733
Forgive me of my, for my sin and let me live for you.
03:53:10.733 --> 03:53:14.870
I pray this in jesus' name.
03:53:15.471 --> 03:53:17.440
If you've prayed that prayer, i'd encourage you to call a
03:53:18.607 --> 03:53:20.810
Number on your screen and just
03:53:20.810 --> 03:53:22.978
Let them know that you've done that.
03:53:22.978 --> 03:53:24.680
We want to encourage you with that.
03:53:24.680 --> 03:53:26.282
And for those of you who know it's time to get back in the
03:53:26.282 --> 03:53:29.185
Game, don't give up on what god has asked of you.
03:53:29.185 --> 03:53:32.188
The best days are yet ahead as we start a brand new year.
03:53:32.188 --> 03:53:35.991
What a great thing to do as you start this year to say,
03:53:35.991 --> 03:53:39.395
I'm going to go all in for god and do whatever he asks of me.
03:53:39.395 --> 03:53:43.199
Beautiful. it was 70 years ago this month that as i look in
03:53:43.199 --> 03:53:49.538
This studio, i see behind you.
03:53:49.538 --> 03:53:52.641
I see roger, uh, pete, jim, nate and ed, and i see them
03:53:52.641 --> 03:53:58.481
Back behind you.
03:53:58.481 --> 03:53:59.748
And the the idea that their lives were, you know, basically
03:53:59.748 --> 03:54:07.256
Given so that projects like this would go on,
03:54:07.256 --> 03:54:11.393
That their, their lives, um, would continue, that
03:54:11.393 --> 03:54:16.265
Is the specialty that god does.
03:54:16.265 --> 03:54:19.168
It's the thing that we don't understand.
03:54:19.168 --> 03:54:22.872
We don't, we won't get
03:54:22.872 --> 03:54:24.273
To understand any of that until eternity.
03:54:24.273 --> 03:54:27.109
And, you know, if you, if you figure as, as paul bilheimer,
03:54:27.109 --> 03:54:32.348
The old kind of father of the faith that
03:54:32.348 --> 03:54:35.751
My parents knew so long ago,
03:54:35.751 --> 03:54:38.354
He would he would talk about life being on-the-job
03:54:38.354 --> 03:54:41.924
Training for eternity, on-the- job training for eternity.
03:54:41.924 --> 03:54:47.997
And if that's true,
03:54:47.997 --> 03:54:49.999
These guys are the ceos of
03:54:50.566 --> 03:54:53.569
Their perspective divisions in heaven.
03:54:53.569 --> 03:54:56.038
And they gave their lives and so much beautiful stuff
03:54:56.038 --> 03:54:59.842
Happened because of it.
03:54:59.842 --> 03:55:01.076
You know, matt, i can't help but think about the amazing
03:55:01.076 --> 03:55:03.779
Impact green family is having, has had that, you know,
03:55:03.779 --> 03:55:07.983
David green, the founder of hobby lobby.
03:55:07.983 --> 03:55:10.786
Mark green, who was so touched.
03:55:10.786 --> 03:55:12.688
All the work that they've done
03:55:12.688 --> 03:55:13.622
With bible translation and stuff.
03:55:13.622 --> 03:55:15.791
The team of people that god brings together for your mom
03:55:15.791 --> 03:55:19.161
And dad to their sacrifices, they made to put this network
03:55:19.161 --> 03:55:22.164
Together, that people can sit in their homes
03:55:22.164 --> 03:55:24.099
And watched this story tonight.
03:55:24.099 --> 03:55:26.168
It's just how god weaves all of our plans, all of the plans
03:55:26.168 --> 03:55:30.739
He's put inside of each of us to bring us together for
03:55:30.739 --> 03:55:34.643
Issues just like this, to be able to talk about this.
03:55:34.643 --> 03:55:36.812
And i just pray that people are inspired by the team it takes,
03:55:36.812 --> 03:55:41.183
But most importantly, that god's will gets carried out.
03:55:41.183 --> 03:55:45.020
70 years later,
03:55:45.020 --> 03:55:46.388
You can say the word celebration.
03:55:46.388 --> 03:55:48.657
Yes. see?
03:55:49.024 --> 03:55:50.059
Well, i'm sitting here thinking-- not tragedy.
03:55:50.059 --> 03:55:52.561
Those men had no idea that they were giving their life and that
03:55:52.561 --> 03:55:56.565
Someday someone would make a documentary and a movie and be
03:55:56.565 --> 03:56:00.970
Talking about it and celebrating their life through
03:56:00.970 --> 03:56:04.607
Their legacy, their children and their grandkids.
03:56:04.607 --> 03:56:08.143
I mean, here we're celebrating their grandkids for what god is
03:56:08.143 --> 03:56:11.513
Doing in their lives.
03:56:11.513 --> 03:56:12.648
There's no telling what god wants to do through you,
03:56:12.648 --> 03:56:15.317
Through your story, through what god's called you to do.
03:56:15.317 --> 03:56:18.220
Take nothing lightly that that you're called to
03:56:18.220 --> 03:56:22.224
Because everything we do is important.
03:56:22.224 --> 03:56:25.628
Everything is a seed for legacy.
03:56:25.628 --> 03:56:28.998
I believe that with all my heart.
03:56:28.998 --> 03:56:30.899
They had no idea.
03:56:31.333 --> 03:56:32.735
The true meaning of legacy is not what you call-- not what
03:56:32.735 --> 03:56:37.139
You do, but what you cause to happen in the future.
03:56:37.139 --> 03:56:40.175
They would be--
03:56:40.542 --> 03:56:41.744
We celebrate them tonight in this beautiful broadcast.
03:56:41.744 --> 03:56:45.514
Guys, thank you for helping us tell the story.
03:56:45.514 --> 03:56:48.050
What an amazing story.
03:56:48.050 --> 03:56:49.752
Uninterrupted, a whole bunch of amazing content.
03:56:49.752 --> 03:56:53.622
Uh, thank you to the green
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Family for making a lot of this happen.
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Thank you guys. thank you.
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What an amazing night.
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Celebrating now, 70 years later.
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Beautiful. we'll see you next time.
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Bye bye.
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♪♪
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Beyond The Gates of Splendor & End Of The Spear

January 23, 2026 | 237:24

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