Jamie Alexander and Rabbi Jason Sobel: In The Beginning and Beyond | Breaking Sunday School

June 11, 2026 | 57:59

What if the Bible stories you grew up with weren’t wrong but they were incomplete? Teacher Rabbi Jason Sobel looks to unpack the deeper truths hidden beneath familiar stories. Reframe the Sunday School narrative with historical depth, cultural context, and spiritual revelation.

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| Jamie Alexander and Rabbi Jason Sobel: In The Beginning and Beyond | Breaking Sunday School | June 11, 2026

Male announcer: what if the bible stories you grew up with
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Weren't the full story?
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What if in the beginning didn't just mark a moment in time but
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Reveal the very purpose of it all?
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What if noah's ark was filled two by two and seven by seven?
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And what if babel's tower wasn't about height but about the heart
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Of humanity?
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What if a young shepherd boy could face a giant and change
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The course of history?
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Because when we see god's story the way he wrote it,
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Everything changes.
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Tonight we're breaking open the bible stories you thought you
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Knew to discover the truths you've missed.
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[music]
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This is "breaking sunday school."
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[audience applauding]
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[music]
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Jamie alexander: welcome to "breaking sunday school," the
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Show where the bible stories you thought you knew reveal the
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Truths you've missed and turn out to be just the beginning.
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I'm jamie alexander, and tonight we're going all the way back to
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The very beginning.
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We're going beyond the flannelgraph and into the
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Hebrew, the history, and the heart behind scripture.
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And to help us do that, please welcome our resident guide
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Through the jewish roots of our faith, messianic rabbi, teacher,
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And friend, rabbi jason sobel.
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[audience applauding]
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[music]
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Jason sobel: shalom, it's so good to be with you
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Here tonight.
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These stories may seem familiar, but when you read them through
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The lens of the hebrew scripture, we begin to see
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They're not just origin stories, they're actually
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Purpose stories.
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They reveal not only how everything began, but also they
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Are meant to point to the one through whom it began, yeshua,
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Jesus, our messiah.
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[audience applauding]
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Jamie: okay, okay, okay, okay, so here's what makes tonight a
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Little bit different and why you're not just watching a show,
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You're actually part of it.
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Now, throughout the night you're gonna hear directly from people
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In our studio audience, our virtual audience watching from
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Home and see their live poll responses, revealing what we
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Think we know before we open the text.
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Then rabbi jason is gonna take us a lot deeper, teaching
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Straight from the hebrew scriptures, unpacking the
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Meaning, the context, and the connections that most of us
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Never really even heard in sunday school.
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And finally, this doesn't just stay up on the stage.
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We're gonna open it up for the audience, q&a, because we
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Believe the best conversations happen when curiosity
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Meets truth.
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Okay, so here's our first question of the night.
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Are you smarter than your sunday school self?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Let's find out what you really believe about how it all began.
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[music]
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Jamie: okay, we asked the audience right here in the room
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And the folks joining us virtually to answer a few
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Polling questions.
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So let's look at our audience polls and see how well you
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Remember your sunday school lessons.
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Poll question one, when genesis says in the beginning, what do
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You think it's mainly answering?
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Okay, well, it's kinda interesting.
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Look at this, most of us picked up how or when and very few
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Chose why.
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Now, that tells us something pretty important.
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You know, most of us were taught that genesis was more about
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Information, not intention.
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Alright, poll question two.
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Do you think jesus was present in creation?
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This is fascinating, because most of us weren't taught to
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Look for jesus until the new testament, but what if scripture
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Itself tells a different story?
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Well, rabbi jason, what does the hebrew word bereshit actually
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Reveal about the beginning and everything?
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What about yeshua?
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Tell us more.
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Jason: yeah, absolutely, it's a great question.
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We are gonna break sunday school here this evening.
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Now, what's really exciting is this, when you think about the
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Rabbis ask the question, why is the first letter of the bible in
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Hebrew begin with the letter bet and not the letter aleph?
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Because in the mind of a jewish person, it should begin with the
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Letter aleph, because the aleph points to the oneness of god.
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Most of the divine names begin with the letter aleph, so then
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Why does it begin with the letter bet?
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Bet is the letter of blessing, brakha.
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God created the world for blessing, but hebrew is
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Also alphanumeric.
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That means you write numbers with letters in the bible.
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So the numerical value of the hebrew letter bet is two, and
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That has how god created the world.
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He created the heaven and the earth, he created the spiritual
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And the material reality, and god creates this world and the
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World to come.
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So the letter underscores how god created the world.
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He created it in two, but of course there is so much more.
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Think about it for a moment.
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The first letter of the hebrew bible is the letter bet.
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What is the last letter of the bible in the new testament?
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The word is amen, and it's the letter n, bet, b, n, nun, spells
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A key hebrew word, it spells son.
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Because from the first letter to the last letter, it all points
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To the son who is the goal and the purpose of all of creation.
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[audience applauding]
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Jason: so, before the curse, god made sure there was the cure.
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That is the goodness of god in what he's done for us, and this
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Is what john means, i believe, when he says messiah is the lamb
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Slain before the foundation of the world.
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Before the world was, the word was, and the word agreed to give
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His life in order to bring a redemption for all of us.
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But there's another way to understand the first word of
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The bible.
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It can be understood as the preposition, bet can mean
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Through in terms of agency, so it can be read as through the
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First or through the firstborn god created the heavens and the
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Earth, and this is exactly how john 1 reads it, all things were
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Created by him.
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Actually, john is reading it in a way that is actually implied
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In the text of the hebrew scriptures itself, and this is
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So incredible to think all of that is in that one little
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Word, bereshit.
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Jamie: amen.
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[audience applauding]
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Jason: god creates the world, and he speaks ten times.
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Creation is ten utterances, then we see redemption, ten plagues,
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And then mount sinai, ten commandments, ten creation, ten
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Redemption, ten revelation, but of course there's still more,
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Because messiah is also the light of the world.
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Think about it for a moment.
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The first thing god says when he creates is y'hi or, let there
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Be light.
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But the sun and the moon weren't created until the fourth day.
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So what was the light of the first day?
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The rabbis say it was the light of the divine presence of god,
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Which we would understand as actually the light of the
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Messiah shining in the beginning, and that's why in the
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Kingdom there is no s-u-n, there's only the s-o-n, because
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The light is restored the way it was always meant to be.
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But there's also another prophetic pattern that we have
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To understand, which is this, god creates the world in six
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Days, and he rests on the seventh.
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The psalms tell us one day with the lord is like 1,000 years.
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So the rabbis read that, and they say the maximum amount of
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Time that the world can exist from the time man began counting
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Time is 6,000 years, and messiah has to come in that time frame.
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Just like god finished the work of creation on the sixth day,
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This world will be finished on the sixth day, and then messiah
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Comes, and we enter the seventh day, which is the shabbat, the
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Messianic kingdom, the time that is yom shekulo shabbat, that is
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All shabbat, and we enter into the rest and the redemption of
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His kingdom fully realized, and i hope that day comes speedily
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And soon.
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[audience applauding]
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Jamie: okay, hey, let's just pause here for a moment.
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Rabbi, you just took us from the very first word of scripture all
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The way through to messiah as the light of the world.
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That's a lot to take in.
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And i can feel it in the room also.
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When you start seeing genesis this way, it doesn't just answer
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Questions, it brings a lot more of them up.
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So before we move on, i figured let's open this up to our
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Studio audience.
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First question is chrissy.
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Chrissy: hi, thank you for inviting me here today, it's
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Been a blessing.
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My question is god created the world in ten utterances, so
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Why--i know you touched on this, but why is ten
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So significant?
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Jason: yeah, i think that's a great question, chrissy.
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Thank you for asking it.
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Well, think about it.
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The letter that represents the number ten is the hebrew
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Letter yud.
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It is the smallest letter of all the hebrew letters, and it
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Represents the point.
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It is literally a point, the starting point of everything by
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Which god expands and creates from there.
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And i think that is very significant, why?
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Because it ties to another miracle.
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Creation is a miracle, but there's another miracle, the
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Incarnation of god coming in flesh in the person of jesus,
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And his name begins with the letter yud, and just like it's
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The smallest letter that contains infinite power, the
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Infinite power of god was contained in the human body of
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Yeshua, whose name begins with the yud, jesus.
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[audience applauding]
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Jamie: thank you rabbi, excellent, excellent.
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Okay, our second question comes from liz, she's one of our
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Virtual viewers.
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Liz asks if god knew humanity was going to sin and jesus would
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Pay the price before creating us, then why did he create us
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At all?
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Also in genesis it says how god was hovering over the waters
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Before creating, so where did it come from?
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Jason: these are great questions.
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Don't ask me simple questions i guess.
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Gonna throw the hard questions that theologians have been
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Wrestling with from time and eternity.
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I'll give it a stab.
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So i think here's the reality we're made b'tzelem elohim,
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We're made in god's image.
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To be made in god's image means just like god has free will and
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Volition, we have to have free will.
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In order for there to be free will, there has to be a free
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Choice, a real choice that we make, because we could have been
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Made with no choice, but then we're robots.
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If we're made with no choice, you can't actually love god,
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Because love has to be a choice, it cannot be commanded, it has
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To be--it cannot be legislated, it has to be of our free will.
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So i think that is the underlying reason why there had
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To be a choice in the beginning, because we had to have the
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Opportunity to choose god or not to choose god, to choose faith
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Or not to choose faith, and i think that is part of the reason
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Why god made the world even knowing what would happen and
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Having to have a plan to correct what would occur.
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And so that's a little bit about that question.
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Jamie: love that, thank you rabbi, excellent.
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Rabbi jason, thank you so much for opening our eyes to these
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Amazing truths, and thank you to our studio and our virtual
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Audience for leaning in, asking big questions, and being willing
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To rethink familiar stories.
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You know, the bible we learned as kids isn't wrong, it's just
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Bigger and deeper and more connected than we realize, and
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We are just getting started, because when humanity's choices
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Collide with god's holiness, the story takes a dramatic turn
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Straight into a storm.
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Next, you and i will step into the story of noah's ark and
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Discover why it's about much more than animals and rain.
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[audience applauding]
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[music]
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Jamie: so, creation begins with purpose, design, and god's
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Intention for the world, but the story doesn't stay peaceful
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For long.
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Now, genesis tells us that humanity's choices eventually
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Lead to corruption and violence, spreading across the earth,
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Setting the stage for one of the most dramatic moments in history
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And in scripture, the story of noah's ark.
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Before we open that passage, let's see what our audience
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Believes about this story.
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Take a look at our polling results.
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So, question one, why does the bible say noah was saved from
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The flood?
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So if you picked a, morally perfect, you're not alone, not
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Too shabby, that's a really common assumption.
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If you chose d, the best engineer, honestly, it's a
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Fair guess.
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The ark was pretty impressive.
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But the biblical answer is c, he had faith, and he walked with
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God, and that's exactly where rabbi is taking us.
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So, righteousness in the bible has always been about faith,
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Not perfection.
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Alright, poll question two, how many doors did the ark have?
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Okay, this one's interesting, because a lot of you went with
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Multiple doors, which honestly feels pretty practical, right?
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Is it two, two to the side, two to the front, two over wing.
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The scripture is very specific.
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The ark only had one door, and that detail matters more than we
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Usually realize, because rabbi's about to show us how that points
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Forward gently to god's pattern of salvation.
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Okay, so rabbi, we clearly have some of the story down from our
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Sunday school, but there's a lot more going on here than just
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Animals and rain.
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Why don't you fill us in here?
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Jason: let's break sunday school, because noah's ark is
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About more than rainbows and cute little animals that
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God preserves.
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It says noah was a righteous man, tazddik ish tamim, whole,
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Complete, perfect in his generation.
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Doesn't mean he was without sin, it meant that he was undivided
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In his devotion to god.
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It meant that he wasn't tainted by the corruption that was
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Happening in the days of noah.
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God found noah righteous, but it wasn't his actions that was the
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Source of his righteousness, because hebrews 11 tells us that
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Noah built by faith.
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He built for rain when no one had ever seen rain or a flood,
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Because that's the reality.
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We are always made righteous through and by faith, and noah
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Is a great example of someone who had a risky
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Pioneering faith.
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But the question is why did god bring the flood in the days
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Of noah?
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Well, in genesis 6 it tells us there was violence that had
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Permeated the earth, not idolatry, violence.
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And the hebrew word for violence is the word hamas.
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Maybe some of you might be familiar with that from the
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News, and we'll talk about that.
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It's violence, it's brutality, it's lawlessness.
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It grieved god's heart, so what was god's response?
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He brought the mabbul, he brought the flood upon
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The world.
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Now, why is it important?
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Of all the sunday school stories that we examine, why did we pick
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This one?
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Think about it for a moment.
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There is a prophetic significance in warning.
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Jesus says in the olivet endtime discourse, "as it was in the
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Days of noah, so will it be in the days of the son of man."
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And so we have to understand what the days of noah was like
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To understand what to look for, the signs that precede the
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Return of jesus our king.
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It's important, we're not to panic, we're not to speculate,
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But we're to discern and be ready by understanding what is
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To come.
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And so we need to understand the ark was god's
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Designed salvation.
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It was designed, it was detailed, and the hebrew word
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For ark is teivah, and it only occurs two times in the bible,
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Here and in the basket moses was placed in when he went down
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The nile.
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So it can mean a container, it can mean an ark, it can mean a
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Vessel like a basket, but teivah is also translated into hebrew
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As word, a unit of speech.
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What's the connection?
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Words are not words, they are actually containers for meaning.
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That's why our words matter, they hold something.
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And so think about it for a moment, the ark was a place
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Of protection.
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Noah was saved inside what god provides.
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He's preserved inside the word, inside god, and we are saved in
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The word through the word, because jesus is the word that
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Became flesh and dwelt among us.
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Now, think about it for a moment.
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Noah's ark was a little bigger, just f-y-i, but you'll notice
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The ark is in the side, and there is one entrance, one way
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To enter the ark.
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In the same way, jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and
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There is one way to salvation in the same way there was one
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Entrance into the ark, as we're gonna see.
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He says, "i am the door.
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You have to enter through me."
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But the question is why did god's judgment become necessary?
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The context is the b'nei ha-elohim, the sons of god.
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The sons of god throughout scripture are often referred to
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Angels, to angelic beings.
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This is the backdrop for the flood of noah.
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I believe angels came down, had relationships with the daughters
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Of men, and began to multiply and breed corruption, and they
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Formed hybrid beings.
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They violated god's boundaries, and they corrupted god's
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Creative order, and we read about this in 2 peter 2 and jude
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1, and the flood was not cruelty, it was actually meant
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To be preservation.
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Because from the very beginning in the garden of eden, there was
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A war on the seed, the first messianic prophecy, the seed of
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The woman would crush the head of the serpent.
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Satan wanted to corrupt the seed in order to prevent the messiah
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From coming, but of course there is still something more.
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What is that something more?
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It says noah was tamim, without blemish.
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It's the same word used for the passover lambs in the sacrifices
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In the temple.
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Maybe it wasn't just he was without moral blemish, maybe he
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Genetically was not corrupted by the mating that happened with
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The nephilim, and i think we see modern day parallels, a-i,
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Bioengineering, things like transhumanism, the mixing of man
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And artificial intelligence or man and machine, it is a new
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Type of hybrid that will violate god's boundaries.
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Now, why did it rain for 40 days and 40 nights?
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Because 40 is associated with the hebrew letter mem, it's
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Associated with water.
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Why is that important?
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Because when you have a ritual immersion to become clean, the
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Jewish form of baptism known as mikvah, there has to be a
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Minimum measurement of 40 se'ahs of water.
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In a sense, god was giving the world a mikvah.
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He was cleansing it from its unrighteousness and of its sin.
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The first baptism in history was in the days of noah.
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[audience applauding]
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Jason: but of course there's still more, because everything
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Was written for the sake of the messiah, so the ark points to
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Yeshua jesus.
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It's god-designed.
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Think about it for a moment.
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There are three levels in the ark, why?
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Father, son, and holy spirit.
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What level do you enter the ark?
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Through the second level, because it's in the side, and
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It's on the second through the son, the middle, the mediation.
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The ark is made out of wood.
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Life is preserved, noah's life and family, creation is
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Preserved by the means of a wooden ark, and in the same way
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Messiah died on a tree made of wood.
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We are preserved, and we are given life, and we are redeemed,
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And sin is destroyed, and eternal life is given to us.
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So think about it for a moment, the ark floated above judgment,
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Messiah entered that judgment for us so that we might rise
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Above it, amen.
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[audience applauding]
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Jamie: okay, let's pause right there for a moment.
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If noah's story feels heavier than you remembered from sunday
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School, it's because it is.
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Rabbi just showed us that this isn't really a story about
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Animals and rain, it's about faith in a corrupt world,
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Obedience when no one else understands, and trusting god's
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Rescue even when judgment feels uncomfortable.
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And when a story starts touching real issues, violence, culture,
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Compromise, and faith under pressure, it usually raises some
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Real questions.
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So, let's do this together.
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Let's hear from the room.
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First up, we've got teresa.
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Hey, teresa, hi.
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What do you got for us?
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Teresa: hi, thanks, i'm really grateful to be here, and
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It's such a blessing.
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My question was in genesis 8 it speaks that noah removed a
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Covering off of the ark, and i was wondering if there's some
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Connection to, say, the tabernacle or the ark of the
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Covenant or even moses's basket?
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Jason: yeah, that's great.
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Absolutely, 100%.
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So the ark and the basket
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Is clearly connected linguistically.
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Inside the teivah moses is redeemed
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And protected, and his life is preserved in the
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Same way that noah's life and his family was preserved.
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I also think there's something interesting there about the
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Covering, because again, the ark is directly connected to
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The tabernacle.
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Just like there is three floors in the ark, there are three
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Components to the tabernacle.
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It's connected linguistically, and we don't have time to go
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Down this crazy path, but there seems to be a degree of
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Interdimensionality to both the ark as well as the temple in
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Jerusalem that is a whole 'nother discussion, and it's
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Connected to the concept of the ark.
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And so, yes, i believe there's a lot of significance to all
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Of that.
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Jamie: okay, so we've got jane.
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Jane: thank you for inviting me this evening.
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This has just been wonderful.
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My question is how long did it take noah to build the ark?
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And was the time then like our time now?
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Jason: that is a great question.
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Again, i think there is a traditional understanding that
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It took approximately 120 years or so to build, but of course,
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Where there's three jews, there's six opinions.
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And some believe that it didn't take that long to build, that
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God supernaturally empowered noah to be able to build it, and
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Therefore he was able to spend the rest of that time
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Proclaiming what god was about to bring and calling people
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To repentance.
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That's another view of it.
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And in terms of time, it does seem that in the ancient world
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That time did actually function differently, because think about
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It, we know that time is actually relative.
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Quantum physics tells us that if you could actually travel at the
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Speed of light, we know that time slows down.
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And so in jewish thought, man was actually covered with light
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In the beginning, and that's why when we have glorified bodies,
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That light is going to be restored.
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So could it be possible that adam lived at the speed
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Of light?
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And could that be possibly behind the concept that a day is
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Like 1,000 years?
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Because if you look at some of the quantum math, there is some
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Interesting connections between how you calculate years in time
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Versus the speed of light itself.
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So a lot of interesting things there to ponder.
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Wish we had more time.
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Jamie: i was starting to feel sorry for the rabbi here.
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You guys are bringing your boxing gloves, and he just beat
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Us over the head with a baseball bat right there.
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How do you like quantum physics?
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You like that?
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Amazing, thank you so much for your question, jane.
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Okay, from the massive ark to one family's quiet obedience,
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Noah's story shows us this, when we trust god's plan, even the
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Most overwhelming storms can become a doorway into a
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New beginning.
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It reminds us that obedience doesn't always look dramatic
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Right in the moment, but it can carry the weight of generations.
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Noah didn't just survive the storm, he stepped out of it into
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A renewed world marked by covenant promises and hope, and
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That brings us to our next story, because sometimes god
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Doesn't rescue us from the battle, he calls us into it.
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Up next, we'll meet a young shepherd named david standing on
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A battlefield he doesn't belong on and facing a giant no one
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Else will face, and discovering that faith in god can turn even
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The greatest threat into a testimony of victory.
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[audience applauding]
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[music]
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Jamie: alright, when most of us hear david and goliath, we
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Immediately picture the giant, the sling, and the stone that
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Changed everything.
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It's one of the most familiar stories that we've got in the
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Entire bible, but before we open the text, we wanted to see what
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People in this room actually remember about how the
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Story unfolds.
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So, let's look at our audience polling results and see how
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Those sunday school memories hold up.
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Here we go.
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How tall was goliath, according to the bible?
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Well, it looks like most of you picked c, about 9 feet, which is
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Coincidentally my height.
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[audience laughing]
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Jamie: some ancient manuscripts would put him closer to even 7
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Feet, but either way, that's still terrifying, and the
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Important part isn't the exact measurement, it's that goliath
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Was big enough to make fear feel reasonable, and that's exactly
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Where rabbis's teaching is headed.
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Okay, here we go, poll number two, how many stones did david
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Take into battle?
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Look at that, okay.
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You guys nailed this one, it was five stones.
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But here's the twist, david only needed how many?
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One, so why did he take five?
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Now, rabbi's gonna show us why that number is loaded with
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Meaning and why this wasn't about backup plans or just
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Bad aim.
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Okay, so we know the facts, a giant, a sling, a few stones,
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And a shocking victory, but beneath the surface, this story
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Isn't really about size or skill, it's about covenant,
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Faith, and who we believe is bigger.
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Rabbi, will you just take us deeper and tell us what this
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Battle is really about?
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Jason: i'd love to.
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We've all heard the story of david and goliath in sunday
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School, we've probably watched the movie, but there's
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Something more.
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I mean, david, think about it for a moment.
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David was more than a boy, he was a shepherd, and he was
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A warrior.
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David, david in hebrew, means beloved, because he was a lover
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Of god, he was a worshiper of god, and that's what made him
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Such a great warrior for god.
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But david is also a type of the messiah.
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The messiah was gonna come from the lineage of david.
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David was a shepherd, but he was also a royal shepherd, and
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Messiah is the greater son of david, and that's why we read
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This promise in ezekiel 34, "i will set up one shepherd over
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Them, my servant david."
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And that's why you read about that famous promise in prophecy,
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"out of bethlehem shall come a ruler for me who will shepherd
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My people."
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The greater david was to be a shepherd.
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And both were born in bethlehem, both were shepherds before they
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Were kings, both were lovers of god, and both were willing to
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Lay down their lives, and that's why yeshua said, "i am the
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Good shepherd."
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It's so beautiful what he's done for us, but we need to
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Understand shepherds are not just for people who have a title
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Called pastor or rabbi.
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Every believer is called to be a shepherd.
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We're called to shepherd our friends, our families, our
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Neighbors and our coworkers.
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When god says to peter, "if you love me, feed my sheep, if you
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Love me, tend my flock," that is a call that each of us has upon
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Our life to shepherd people into faith, to shepherd people into
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The kingdom of god.
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And that's something we should all aspire to step into the
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Fullness of what that means, but of course there is still
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Even more.
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Because think about it for a moment.
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The name goliath, names have meaning in the bible.
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The hebrew name golyat in hebrew comes from the hebrew word
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Galal, which means this, to expose, to reveal, or
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To uncover.
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What is it meant to reveal?
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Faith is not the denial of reality, it's the proper
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Interpretation of it.
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Think about what's going on here.
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Goliaths always reveal what is in our hearts.
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The giants show us do we have fear, or do we have faith?
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Goliath versus david is a type of messiah versus satan.
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David fights alone, it's a representative victory,
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Israel watches.
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He's credited for the victory of the entire nation.
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Goliath represents scaly bronze armor.
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It's a representation of the serpent, and the word for armor
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Is nahash, the bronze armor, the same word that's used of the
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Serpent in the garden.
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So we see the parallel, messiah fights sin, death, and satan,
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And humanity watches.
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Only he can destroy the giant and bring us salvation.
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We can't do it, he did it for us.
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But there's another deeper connection.
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Goliath is actually connected to golgotha in hebrew.
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It's the same root word, why?
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Because at golgotha sin is exposed, shame is revealed, and
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Death is confronted openly.
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"now this is the judgment of this world, the ruler of this
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World has been cast out."
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And it says he rolled away the stone for us.
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Listen, that word is also used in the book of joshua for a
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Place called gilgal, because god rolled away the reproach of the
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Children of israel.
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What his death does on golgotha is he rolls away sin, its
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Consequences, he rolls away shame, he rolls away death in
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Order to redeem us, and when that stone on that sunday
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Morning rolled away, it was the proof that he was truly the
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Greater david who beat the greater goliath, the one behind
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The goliath, the serpent.
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But of course, there's more.
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David has five smooth stones.
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Why five? why not three?
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Because five is represented in hebrew by the letter hei, and
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Hei is the letter of the [breathes].
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It's the breath of god.
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The heavens were created by his breath of his mouth, the psalm
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Tells us.
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Abraham and sarah could not have children until god added the
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Letter hei to their name, because the hei represents the
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Breath of god and his supernatural power to conceive
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God's plans and purposes.
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And in the book--amen?
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[audience applauding]
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Jason: and in the book of psalms, a hei is added to
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Joseph's name, and he becomes yehosef the only time, why?
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Because that's where joseph's ability to interpret dreams
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Came from.
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It came from the divine breath, a man in whom is the spirit of
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Wisdom, the spirit of god, so it all connects together, and we
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Need that same breath.
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Listen, all of us are gonna face giants, the giant of fear, the
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Giant of addiction, the giant of shame, and there is one other
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Giant that i wanna mention, a giant that is more ancient than
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Goliath himself, and that is the giant of anti-semitism.
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The jewish people, the hebrew people, the israelites had to
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Face the -ites, the canaanites, the zebusites, the amalekites.
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Today we might not face the -ites, but we face the -isms,
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Atheism, secularism, materialism, anti-semitism, and
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That goliath is arising, why?
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Because goliath's name means to expose.
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Goliath exposed what was in the heart of israel, and this modern
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Rise of the goliath of anti-semitism is exposing what's
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In the heart of this nation, and it's exposing what is in the
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Heart of the church.
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But what god is looking for are for the gibborim, the mighty men
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And women of david who choose faith over fear, who understands
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God is bigger than the giants that we face, because we either
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Project fear or we project faith.
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When we project fear, we make god smaller and our
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Problems bigger.
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When we project faith, we make god bigger, so let's project
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Faith, let's operate out of faith, and let's faith the
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Goliaths in our world today and let's see god do great things.
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He's waiting for you, the mighty men and women of david, to arise
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Once again.
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He's won the victory, and now we have to walk in that victory and
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Do the same.
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[audience applauding]
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Jamie: before we move on, i wanna give this room a chance to
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Respond, because when a story stops being ancient history and
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Starts sounding a lot like our lives, that's usually where the
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Best questions come from.
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So let's hear what this stirred up for you.
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We've got a couple more questions that came through from
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Paul and cathy.
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Cathy: i was wondering the significance of the five stones.
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Jason: absolutely, so as we said, the hei represents the
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Divine breath of god, the supernatural empowerment of god,
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But what's also interesting is that the letter hei is
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Associated with the hebrew name of god, elohim, and the name
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Elohim in jewish thought is associated with god's
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Divine justice.
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And so he was executing god's justice against those who would
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Blaspheme and attack god and attack the people of god,
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Because he is our defender.
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I think it's also interesting that in hebrew, one of the ways
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That you abbreviate god's name, hashem, which is the name above
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Every name, is just by the letter hei.
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So it represents that he is representing the divine name and
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Operating in faith in it and empowered by the spirit of
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Hashem, the name that is above all names.
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Jamie: that's great. okay, we have tammy.
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Tammy, stand up and ask us about goliath.
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Tammy: thank you.
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Okay, so my question on david being the warrior that he was,
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Where did he get that faith when he went to go face goliath, when
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He's approaching, was it righteous anger and his love for
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Father god?
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Jason: it's a great question.
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I think god always trains us, and he had to face the lion and
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The bear, which then prepared him to ultimately face
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The goliath.
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So those things built his faith, and so then when he came, and he
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Saw what was goliath was doing, speaking against the king of
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Kings and the lord of lords, and yes, i think there was that
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Righteous indignation to stand for the lord and restore honor
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To his name, and i think all those things moved david in that
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Moment to take that stand.
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And i think that's obviously one of the reasons why god chose
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David to be the king of israel.
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Not only did he care for the men around him, but he also had
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Courage to do things others weren't willing to do.
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[audience applauding]
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Jamie: thank you, rabbi.
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Okay, thank you so much for all those questions, because stories
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Like david and goliath were never meant to stay safely on
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The page, they're meant to actually confront us, to ask us
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What we would do when fear shows up, when the odds feel stacked,
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And when obedience costs more than comfort.
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David's story reminds us that courage isn't the absence of
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Fear, it's faith in motion.
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Creation shows us god's design, noah shows us god's mercy, and
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David shows us god's strength made perfect in weakness.
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And there's one more story tonight where unity goes wrong,
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Ambition outruns obedience, and god steps in to rewrite
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The ending.
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[audience applauding]
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[music]
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[audience applauding]
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Jamie: alright, let's see how much of the tower of babel story
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Stuck with us after sunday school, because most of us
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Remember confusion, languages, but the reason behind it, well,
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That's where things get interesting.
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Let's take a look at what our audience thinks.
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Why did the people build the tower of babel?
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That's interesting, a lot of different answers here.
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Alright, some of you chose d, to reach heaven, which is how the
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Story is often told, but the bible actually says c, to make a
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Name for themselves.
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That one phrase changes everything, and rabbi's about to
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Show us why motivation matters just as much as unity.
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Okay, poll question two.
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Why did god confuse the languages at babel?
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Alright, this one's important.
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You know, some of us were taught this as a punishment story, but
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The deeper biblical answer is c, it's protection.
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God isn't against people working together, he's against unity
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Built on pride and independence from him.
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Alright, so, rabbi, maybe the tower of babel isn't just an
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Ancient story about languages, maybe it's a warning about unity
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Without god.
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Is that fair to say?
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Jamie: absolutely, and so much more.
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Listen, this is about breaking sunday school, so let's break it
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Down and let's go deeper.
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So when we look at the man behind the building of the tower
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Of babel, his name was nimrod, and nimrod's name tells us
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A lot.
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His name literally means let us rebel.
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So the first city is built out of a rebellion against god and
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Against the will of god.
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He's also called a gibbor, and that is one of the words in
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Genesis 6 used of the nephilim.
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So is there an allusion or some kind of connection back?
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And then we know that nimrod wants to build two things, he
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Wants to build a city, but he also wants to build a tower.
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The city represents containment, it represents centralization, it
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Represents population control, and it directly rebels against
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The first commandment, to be fruitful and multiply and fill
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The earth.
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God says go out, and nimrod wants people to stay, why?
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Because the power of the king is in how many subjects he has to
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Rule over.
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But then there's something more, build a tower.
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What does a tower represent?
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A tower represents control.
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Why control?
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Because the high ground is the strategic advantage militarily,
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So it represents power, but it also represents surveillance.
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It is a bird's-eye view to keep your eye on everyone and
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Everything to know what is happening.
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And so this ties into another hebrew phrase in genesis 11:1
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Describing that time.
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It says "sapah 'ehat udebarim 'ahadim."
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It says there was one language and few words.
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What does that mean?
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Nimrod was controlling the language of the people, he was
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Controlling the information, he was controlling the worldview
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And people's thoughts in order to manipulate them and get them
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To do what he wanted to do.
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Words are powerful.
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And so free speech is the enemy of babel.
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And then we see there is a journey, they journey from the
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East towards this plain in the plain of shinar, and the hebrew
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Word for east is mikedem, which is a very significant biblical
00:46:24.304 --> 00:46:29.943
Hebrew word, and it implies going away from.
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So the question is what were they going away from?
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Well, away from where the ark landed, but something more.
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The rabbis see an allusions there to the hebrew name kadmon,
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Which is one of the names of god in jewish tradition that means
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The ancient one.
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And so what they were doing was trying to move away from god
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Himself, move away from the will of god, and they traveled to
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Separate themselves from the lord.
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And then it says they found a bi'qah, a valley.
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What does bi'qah mean?
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It means to split open.
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So one understanding of this by the rabbis is that they were in
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This valley, and they split open the ground in the valley, and
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They made a discovery.
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One interpretation of that is they found ancient books of
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Magic and sorcery that was hidden by the flood generation
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That learned how to manipulate and interact with spiritual
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Principalities and power just like the dead sea scrolls were
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Hidden and they were found thousands of years later, that
00:47:47.321 --> 00:47:50.590
Same concept.
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Or it can mean to force an opening in the spiritual, to
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Make a breach, to open a gate, to open a spiritual portal.
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There's some sort of angelic manipulation, there's some sort
00:48:02.903 --> 00:48:07.574
Of pre-flood wisdom that they find, and somehow this is how
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They connect and get this wisdom to try and build a tower to
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Heaven in order to rebel against god.
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It's the same sin, a different strategy.
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The hebrew word for flood is mabbul, and it comes from the
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Word balal as a root, and both the flood and the name babel
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Come from the same root, and that's no coincidence, because
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They both involve mixing boundary, it involves corrupting
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Creation, it involves engaging with fallen powers.
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So there is this connection between these two judgments.
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They are bookends in a sense.
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But there's something more, because there's the
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New testament.
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Acts chapter 2, it is a reversal of the tower of babel.
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In that day they united for an evil purpose, but in the days of
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The book of acts they united for the kingdom.
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Babel wanted to build up, but god said go out.
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And the disciples all speak, and they hear in one tongue,
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One language.
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Everyone can hear, it's a reversal of the confusion of the
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Languages of babel, because when they unite for god's purposes
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And are committed to going out and not building up, god begins
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To reverse it and restore speech, restore unity, and
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That's why it says in the book of revelation every tribe, every
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Tongue, and every nation are once again united in
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The messiah.
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Pentecost is not just a return to babel's language, it is the
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Redemption of speech.
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Today we see speech being manipulated, we see just like
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They were one, controlled by one individual, it is a picture of
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The coming one-world government that the globalists seek to have
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Established in our world.
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This is not conspiracy, it is bible prophecy and eschatology.
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It's the story of babel and the flood playing out again in our
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Days and in our time.
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So, again, media is the modern babel language control.
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Televisions, newspapers, different platforms, they shape
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What we see, they shape what we say, and you can be canceled if
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You say the wrong thing, one language, few words in a
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Digital format.
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Babel didn't begin with chains, it started with the control
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Of speech.
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And we see this with a connection as well to a-i, which
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Is a next level of control.
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It can determine visibility, credibility, algorithms, it can
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Determine truth when we become more dependent upon it than god
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Itself in his word.
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It's not a neutral system, it will one day become a tower of
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Babel in so many different ways.
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So, i believe we are headed back to babel once again.
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They were united in that day, and we are being united
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By technology.
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Speech is monitored.
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A-i is the new one-world language.
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You can speak in one language, it can translate in
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Another language.
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Language will no longer be a barrier.
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Information is controlled, a-i becomes a name and with power.
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And so here's the question, are we building babel again?
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Or are we preparing for the kingdom?
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Are we building a name for ourself?
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Are we gonna make a name for the lord
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And go out and proclaim the good news
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Of what he has done for us in messiah yeshua?
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[audience applauding]
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Jamie: great, thanks rabbi, that's amazing.
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Alright, let's pause right here for just a moment.
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If you're feeling a little unsettled right now, like the
00:52:22.762 --> 00:52:25.832
Story hit a little closer to home than you expected, you're
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Not alone.
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And i can feel it in the room when a story starts exposing our
00:52:29.502 --> 00:52:32.906
Motives and not just our memories, it naturally raises
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Some questions.
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So let's do maybe what we love to do on this show a little bit.
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Let's open it up to some questions from the room as we
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Wrestle with what this ancient story might be saying to us
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Right now.
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Alright, so we've got jody quint.
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Jody quint: thank you, what happens when, you know, a
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Culture is creating without an understanding of god being a
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Part of that or that partnership, when we create
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Things, whether it's music or movies or things in our culture
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That we acquire, we think that we do on our own without him?
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Jamie: jody.
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Jason: i think it's a great question, deep question.
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See, i think we're made in god's image, which is a blessing, but
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The danger is when we wanna make things in our image and not in
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His image.
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And so what's interesting is that god creates the heavens and
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The earth.
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The earth represents the physical, material, the secular,
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And heaven represents the spiritual and the sacred.
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What's interesting is that the word for secular in hebrew
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Literally means to make a hole or to hollow out.
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When you make something apart from god, you hollow out its
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True essence and its true meaning, and it gets filled, but
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Something other than the good.
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And what's interesting is that the same word for secular is
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Also the same word to be sick or for a hospital, the beet cholim,
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Because sickness enters in the vacuum that's created where god
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Is not or god is hollowed out or removed from.
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And so ultimately, anything that's connected in defiance of
00:54:23.083 --> 00:54:28.054
Him is sick and will lead to a sick society that doesn't
00:54:28.054 --> 00:54:33.693
Reflect the fullness of goodness and beauty and truth, and we
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Become a babel reality.
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[audience applauding]
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Jamie: thank you so much, rabbi.
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It's really fascinating.
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I mean, tonight we discovered that sunday school only
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Scratched the surface.
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From the wonder of creation to noah's ark carrying through the
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Storm to a shepherd boy facing a giant and a tower that reached
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For heaven the wrong way, we've seen how every detail tells a
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Larger story about god and his plan for us in messiah.
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Jason: amen.
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[audience applauding]
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Jason: and when we see these stories in their original jewish
00:55:20.807 --> 00:55:24.310
Context, we realize they're all connected.
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The god of israel, the father of the lord yeshua jesus is writing
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One story from genesis to revelation, and it's about
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Redemption, it's about restoration, and it's about
00:55:40.894 --> 00:55:45.565
Relationship, that he came to restore and to give us back
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Through yeshua jesus, the one promised from the beginning.
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[audience applauding]
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Jamie: rabbi jason, thank you so much for helping us see the
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Jewish roots and the messianic heart behind these stories, that
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The same god who spoke in genesis is still speaking today.
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Rabbi, would you pray for us before we take off?
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Jason: yeah, abba father, i just wanna thank you for all of my
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Friends that are here and all those who are watching.
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I pray hazak, hazak, ve-nit'hazek, that you should
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Make you strong and courageous, that your faith should overcome
00:56:27.240 --> 00:56:31.711
Your fear, that your love should overcome the hate, that our
00:56:31.711 --> 00:56:36.282
Unity should impact the world.
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I pray sim shalom tovah u'vrachah, chen
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Va'chesed v'rachamim.
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I pray his peace, mercy, goodness, and kindness over each
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And every one of you.
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May he be your megen, your shield, and your ozer, your
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Helper, because he has won a great salvation and has given us
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A promise of victory through yeshua, jesus, our messiah,
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Amen ve'amen.
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[audience applauding]
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Jamie: thank you so much, rabbi.
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Hey, this was just episode one.
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Next time we're stepping into the new testament, miracles,
00:57:15.889 --> 00:57:19.459
Walking on water, the pool of bethesda, the prodigal son, and
00:57:19.459 --> 00:57:22.929
Yes, what some people jokingly call the first
00:57:22.929 --> 00:57:25.798
Zombie apocalypse.
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We'll break those sunday school stories wide open, too, and see
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How they connect back to the same hebrew story we
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Began tonight.
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I'm jamie alexander, this is rabbi jason sobel, and together
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We are breaking sunday school.
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Good night. thank you.
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[audience applauding]
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[music]
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Jamie Alexander and Rabbi Jason Sobel: In The Beginning and Beyond | Breaking Sunday School

June 11, 2026 | 57:59

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