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July 17, 2020
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  • THIS PROGRAM IS SPONSORED
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  • THIS PROGRAM IS SPONSOREDIN PART BY CARSHIELD,
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  • IN PART BY CARSHIELD,GIVING THOUSANDS OF
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  • GIVING THOUSANDS OFVEHICLE OWNERS
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  • [MUSIC][SMOOCH]
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  • [SMOOCH][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING][BING]
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  • [BING][REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING][PLOP]
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  • [PLOP][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]- MALE: HEY.
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  • - MALE: HEY.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][BOINK]
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  • [BOINK][ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING][BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][CRASH]
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  • - ERIC: WELCOME TO
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  • - ERIC: WELCOME TO"THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
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  • "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."THIS IS THE SHOW
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  • THIS IS THE SHOWI'M SORRY.
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  • I'M SORRY.THIS IS IT.
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  • THIS IS IT.THIS IS ALL WE CAN DO.
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  • THIS IS ALL WE CAN DO.BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT
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  • BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THATWE HAVE GREAT GUESTS ON
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  • I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF
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  • I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OFSORT OF MEETING, VIRTUALLY,
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  • SORT OF MEETING, VIRTUALLY,REBECCA MANLEY PIPPERT.
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  • REBECCA MANLEY PIPPERT.I'VE ALWAYS HEARD IT
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  • I'VE ALWAYS HEARD ITPUT THAT WAY.
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  • PUT THAT WAY.MANY OF YOU KNOW HER AS A
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  • MANY OF YOU KNOW HER AS ARESULT OF HER VERY, VERY
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  • RESULT OF HER VERY, VERYPOPULAR BOOK
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  • POPULAR BOOK"OUT OF THE SALT SHAKER,"
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  • "OUT OF THE SALT SHAKER,"AND WE HAVE A NEW BOOK OUT.
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  • AND WE HAVE A NEW BOOK OUT.REBECCA, IT'S JUST SO
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  • REBECCA, IT'S JUST SOWONDERFUL TO MEET YOU.
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  • WONDERFUL TO MEET YOU.THANKS FOR COMIN' ON
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  • - BECKY PIPPERT: OH,
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  • - BECKY PIPPERT: OH,THANK YOU SO MUCH, ERIC.
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  • THANK YOU SO MUCH, ERIC.AND YOU CAN CALL ME BECKY.
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  • AND YOU CAN CALL ME BECKY.THAT'S WHAT MY FRIENDS
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  • - ERIC: I'M SURE YOUR
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  • - ERIC: I'M SURE YOURFRIENDS CALL YOU BECKY.
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  • FRIENDS CALL YOU BECKY.THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME
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  • THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING METO DO THAT.
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  • TO DO THAT.BUT YOU GO BY
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  • BUT YOU GO BYREBECCA MANLEY PIPPERT?
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  • REBECCA MANLEY PIPPERT?IT SOUNDS JUST SO ELEGANT.
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  • IT SOUNDS JUST SO ELEGANT.IT'S JUST BECKY PIPPERT
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  • IT'S JUST BECKY PIPPERTTHESE DAYS, RIGHT?
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  • THESE DAYS, RIGHT?- BECKY: REALLY, I DO GO
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  • - BECKY: REALLY, I DO GOPROFESSIONALLY, YOU KNOW,
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  • PROFESSIONALLY, YOU KNOW,BY BECKY PIPPERT, BUT IT'S
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  • BY BECKY PIPPERT, BUT IT'SA LOVELY NAME.
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  • A LOVELY NAME.IT'S JUST THAT IT'S ON MY
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  • IT'S JUST THAT IT'S ON MYBOOKS, BUT EVERYBODY CALLS
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  • BOOKS, BUT EVERYBODY CALLSME BY BECKY.
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  • ME BY BECKY.- ERIC: WELL, LISTEN, MY
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  • - ERIC: WELL, LISTEN, MYAUDIENCE IS SO DIVERSE
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  • AUDIENCE IS SO DIVERSETHAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE
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  • THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLETHAT THEY FEEL THAT THEY
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  • THAT THEY FEEL THAT THEYKNOW YOU AND HAVE KNOWN
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  • KNOW YOU AND HAVE KNOWNYOU FOR DECADES, AND
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  • YOU FOR DECADES, ANDTHERE'S SOME PEOPLE HAVE
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  • THERE'S SOME PEOPLE HAVENEVER MET YOU BEFORE.
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  • NEVER MET YOU BEFORE.SO, FOR THEM, YOUR NEW BOOK,
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  • SO, FOR THEM, YOUR NEW BOOK,THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET THE
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  • THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET THEJOKE OR THE REFERENCE, RIGHT?
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  • JOKE OR THE REFERENCE, RIGHT?SO YOUR FIRST BOOK--
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  • SO YOUR FIRST BOOK--LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TITLE
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  • LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TITLEOF YOUR FIRST BOOK AND
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  • OF YOUR FIRST BOOK ANDWHEN IT CAME OUT AND
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  • WHEN IT CAME OUT ANDHOW YOU--
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  • HOW YOU--
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  • BEFORE THAT, HOW YOU CAME
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  • BEFORE THAT, HOW YOU CAMETO FAITH,
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  • TO FAITH,- BECKY: OH, MY, OH,
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  • - BECKY: OH, MY, OH,GOSH, THAT'S REALLY--
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  • GOSH, THAT'S REALLY--THAT IS A STORY.
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  • THAT IS A STORY.WELL, FIRST OF ALL, JUST
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  • WELL, FIRST OF ALL, JUSTABOUT ME PERSONALLY,
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  • ABOUT ME PERSONALLY,I WASN'T RAISED IN A
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  • I WASN'T RAISED IN ACHRISTIAN HOME.
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  • CHRISTIAN HOME.I WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO
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  • I WAS THE FIRST PERSON TOCOME TO CHRIST.
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  • COME TO CHRIST.I WAS AN AGNOSTIC AND WAS
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  • I WAS AN AGNOSTIC AND WASCONVERTED AROUND 18,
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  • CONVERTED AROUND 18,AROUND THAT TIME, AND MY
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  • AROUND THAT TIME, AND MYFAMILY DID NOT KNOW WHAT
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  • FAMILY DID NOT KNOW WHATTO DO WITH ME BECAUSE I
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  • TO DO WITH ME BECAUSE IHAD ALWAYS BEEN ACADEMIC,
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  • HAD ALWAYS BEEN ACADEMIC,AND I HAD A LOT OF
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  • AND I HAD A LOT OFQUESTIONS, AND THEY JUST
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  • QUESTIONS, AND THEY JUSTTHOUGHT, "HOW COULD YOU
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  • THOUGHT, "HOW COULD YOUBELIEVE IN THIS?"
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  • BELIEVE IN THIS?"SO THAT MAY BE WHERE MY
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  • SO THAT MAY BE WHERE MYPASSION FOR HOW DO WE
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  • PASSION FOR HOW DO WECOMMUNICATE FAITH REALLY
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  • COMMUNICATE FAITH REALLYCAME FROM 'CAUSE I HAD A
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  • CAME FROM 'CAUSE I HAD AWHOLE FAMILY THAT WERE
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  • WHOLE FAMILY THAT WEREUNBELIEVERS.
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  • UNBELIEVERS.- ERIC: WHERE DID YOU
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  • - ERIC: WHERE DID YOUGROW UP?
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  • GROW UP?- BECKY: CHAMPAIGN,
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  • - BECKY: CHAMPAIGN,ILLINOIS, AND WHERE THE
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  • ILLINOIS, AND WHERE THEUNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS IS,
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  • UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS IS,AND THOUGH I DID
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  • AND THOUGH I DIDUNDERGRADUATE WORK
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  • UNDERGRADUATE WORKELSEWHERE, I THEN CAME
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  • ELSEWHERE, I THEN CAMEBACK AND DID GRADUATE WORK
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  • BACK AND DID GRADUATE WORKIN ENGLISH LITERATURE AT
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  • IN ENGLISH LITERATURE ATTHE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS.
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  • THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS.AND THEN, INTERESTINGLY
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  • AND THEN, INTERESTINGLYI'M JUMPING AHEAD HERE,
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  • I'M JUMPING AHEAD HERE,BUT I WAS JUST STARTING A
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  • BUT I WAS JUST STARTING APHD IN ENGLISH, THINKING
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  • PHD IN ENGLISH, THINKINGTHAT I WOULD TEACH ENGLISH
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  • THAT I WOULD TEACH ENGLISHAT THE UNIVERSITY, WHEN
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  • AT THE UNIVERSITY, WHENINTERVARSITY CHRISTIAN
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  • INTERVARSITY CHRISTIANFELLOWSHIP SAID, "WE WANT
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  • FELLOWSHIP SAID, "WE WANTYOU TO COME ON STAFF.
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  • YOU TO COME ON STAFF.GO BACK AND DO YOUR
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  • GO BACK AND DO YOURDOCTORATE, BUT FOR RIGHT
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  • DOCTORATE, BUT FOR RIGHTNOW, WE WANT YOU TO GO ON
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  • NOW, WE WANT YOU TO GO ONSTAFF, AND WE WANT YOU TO
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  • STAFF, AND WE WANT YOU TOWORK AT REED COLLEGE IN
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  • WORK AT REED COLLEGE INPORTLAND, OREGON.
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  • PORTLAND, OREGON.NOW, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T
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  • NOW, FOR THOSE THAT DON'TKNOW MUCH ABOUT REED COLLEGE,
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  • KNOW MUCH ABOUT REED COLLEGE,U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT SAID,
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  • U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT SAID,EVEN TODAY, IT IS THE MOST
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  • EVEN TODAY, IT IS THE MOSTRADICAL, THE MOST LIBERAL,
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  • RADICAL, THE MOST LIBERAL,AND THE FARTHEST FROM GOD,
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  • AND THE FARTHEST FROM GOD,AND IT WAS THE MOST
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  • AND IT WAS THE MOSTWONDERFUL PLACE TO HAVE AN
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  • WONDERFUL PLACE TO HAVE ANEVANGELISM MINISTRY WITH
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  • EVANGELISM MINISTRY WITHSTUDENTS THAT WERE SO
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  • STUDENTS THAT WERE SOINTELLIGENT BUT SO FAR
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  • INTELLIGENT BUT SO FARFROM THE KINGDOM, AND IT
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  • FROM THE KINGDOM, AND ITREALLY, I THINK, PREPARED
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  • REALLY, I THINK, PREPAREDME FOR A LIFELONG
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  • ME FOR A LIFELONGMINISTRY, PARTICULARLY
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  • MINISTRY, PARTICULARLYSINCE WE'VE JUST COME BACK
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  • SINCE WE'VE JUST COME BACKFROM LIVING IN EUROPE.
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  • FROM LIVING IN EUROPE.SO I DID UNDERGRADUATE WORK,
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  • SO I DID UNDERGRADUATE WORK,I DID GRADUATE WORK,
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  • I DID GRADUATE WORK,WENT ON STAFF WITH
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  • WENT ON STAFF WITHINTERVARSITY, AND THEN
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  • INTERVARSITY, AND THENRIGHT AFTER, I DID FIVE
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  • RIGHT AFTER, I DID FIVEYEARS, AND RIGHT AFTER I
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  • YEARS, AND RIGHT AFTER IHAD FINISHED WORKING AT
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  • HAD FINISHED WORKING ATREED AND WILLAMETTE AND
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  • REED AND WILLAMETTE ANDWHITMAN, I WROTE A BOOK
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  • WHITMAN, I WROTE A BOOKCALLED
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  • CALLED"OUT OF THE SALT SHAKER."
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  • "OUT OF THE SALT SHAKER."NOW, IT WAS A
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  • NOW, IT WAS ABOOK ON EVANGELISM, BUT AT
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  • BOOK ON EVANGELISM, BUT ATTHAT TIME, 40 YEARS AGO,
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  • THAT TIME, 40 YEARS AGO,EVANGELISM WAS SORT OF
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  • EVANGELISM WAS SORT OFSEEN AS YOU RUSH IN, YOU
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  • SEEN AS YOU RUSH IN, YOUPREACH, YOU DON'T ENGAGE,
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  • PREACH, YOU DON'T ENGAGE,YOU TELL THE TRUTH, AND
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  • YOU TELL THE TRUTH, ANDYOU LEAVE AS FAST AS YOU CAN.
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  • YOU LEAVE AS FAST AS YOU CAN.SO I WAS SAYING, "HOW ARE
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  • SO I WAS SAYING, "HOW AREWE GONNA BE THE SALT OF
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  • WE GONNA BE THE SALT OFTHE EARTH IF WE NEVER GET
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  • THE EARTH IF WE NEVER GETOUT OF THE SALT SHAKER?"
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  • OUT OF THE SALT SHAKER?"- ERIC: BUT, NOW, ALL
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  • - ERIC: BUT, NOW, ALLTHESE YEARS LATER, YOU
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  • THESE YEARS LATER, YOUDECIDED TO WRITE A BOOK
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  • DECIDED TO WRITE A BOOKCALLED "STAY SALT: THE
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  • CALLED "STAY SALT: THEWORLD HAS CHANGED:
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  • WORLD HAS CHANGED:OUR MESSAGE **HAS NOT."
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  • OUR MESSAGE **HAS NOT."SO THE TITLE IS "STAY SALT,"
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  • SO THE TITLE IS "STAY SALT,"BUT THE SUBTITLE,
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  • BUT THE SUBTITLE,"THE WORLD HAS CHANGED:
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  • "THE WORLD HAS CHANGED:OUR MESSAGE HAS NOT."
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  • OUR MESSAGE HAS NOT."WHAT PROMPTED YOU, YOU KNOW,
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  • WHAT PROMPTED YOU, YOU KNOW,TO GO BACK TO THE
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  • TO GO BACK TO THESALT SHAKER, SO TO SPEAK,
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  • - BECKY: OKAY, HERE'S THE
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  • - BECKY: OKAY, HERE'S THEQUESTION: GOD HASN'T
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  • QUESTION: GOD HASN'TCHANGED.
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  • CHANGED.THE PROBLEM HASN'T
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  • THE PROBLEM HASN'TCHANGED.
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  • THE SOLUTION HASN'T CHANGED.
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  • THE SOLUTION HASN'T CHANGED.IT'S STILL THE CROSS AND
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  • IT'S STILL THE CROSS ANDKNOWING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
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  • KNOWING THE LORD JESUS CHRISTAND, OBVIOUSLY, THE
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  • AND, OBVIOUSLY, THEWHOLE GOSPEL.
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  • WHOLE GOSPEL.SO WHAT HAS CHANGED?
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  • SO WHAT HAS CHANGED?AND, PARTICULARLY, WHAT'S
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  • AND, PARTICULARLY, WHAT'SCHANGED EVEN IN THE
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  • CHANGED EVEN IN THE41 YEARS AGO THAT I WROTE
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  • 41 YEARS AGO THAT I WROTE"OUT OF THE SALT SHAKER"?
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  • "OUT OF THE SALT SHAKER"?THE WORLD HAS CHANGED.
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  • THE WORLD HAS CHANGED.THE WORLD HAS CHANGED
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  • THE WORLD HAS CHANGEDDRAMATICALLY.
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  • DRAMATICALLY.IN WHAT WAYS?
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  • IN WHAT WAYS?WELL, TODAY, FOR INSTANCE,
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  • WELL, TODAY, FOR INSTANCE,WE'VE HAD THE COLLAPSE.
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  • WE'VE HAD THE COLLAPSE.WELL, LET ME BACK UP A
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  • WELL, LET ME BACK UP AMINUTE.
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  • MINUTE.WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT WE
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  • WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT WEIN THE WEST HAVE BEEN
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  • IN THE WEST HAVE BEENLIVIN' FOR SO LONG WITH
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  • LIVIN' FOR SO LONG WITHTHE IMPACT OF THE LETHAL
  • 00:05:55.269 --> 00:05:57.638
  • THE IMPACT OF THE LETHALDISTORTIONS OF POSTMODERNITY,
  • 00:05:57.638 --> 00:06:00.774
  • DISTORTIONS OF POSTMODERNITY,FOR EXAMPLE,
  • 00:06:00.774 --> 00:06:03.377
  • FOR EXAMPLE,THE COLLAPSE OF ANY SENSE
  • 00:06:03.377 --> 00:06:05.345
  • THE COLLAPSE OF ANY SENSEOF ABSOLUTE TRUTH,
  • 00:06:05.345 --> 00:06:06.880
  • OF ABSOLUTE TRUTH,THE SHIFT FROM UNDERSTANDING
  • 00:06:06.880 --> 00:06:09.082
  • THE SHIFT FROM UNDERSTANDINGSOME IDEA OF AUTHORITY,
  • 00:06:09.082 --> 00:06:13.320
  • SOME IDEA OF AUTHORITY,TO PERSONAL PREFERENCE,
  • 00:06:13.320 --> 00:06:15.189
  • TO PERSONAL PREFERENCE,A "DESIGNER RELIGION"
  • 00:06:15.189 --> 00:06:17.024
  • A "DESIGNER RELIGION"APPROACH,
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  • APPROACH,"CAFETERIA STYLE," WHERE I
  • 00:06:18.325 --> 00:06:20.194
  • "CAFETERIA STYLE," WHERE IPICK MY PHILOSOPHY BY
  • 00:06:20.194 --> 00:06:21.628
  • PICK MY PHILOSOPHY BYSAYING, "OH, I'LL TAKE A
  • 00:06:21.628 --> 00:06:22.996
  • SAYING, "OH, I'LL TAKE ALITTLE **KARMA HEAR, AND A
  • 00:06:22.996 --> 00:06:24.565
  • LITTLE **KARMA HEAR, AND ALITTLE SOMETHING ELSE
  • 00:06:24.565 --> 00:06:27.201
  • LITTLE SOMETHING ELSEHERE,"
  • 00:06:27.201 --> 00:06:27.801
  • HERE,"MATTER THAT THE BELIEFS WE
  • 00:06:27.801 --> 00:06:28.235
  • MATTER THAT THE BELIEFS WEHOLD ARE COMPLETELY
  • 00:06:28.235 --> 00:06:29.336
  • HOLD ARE COMPLETELYCONTRADICTORY BECAUSE WE
  • 00:06:29.336 --> 00:06:31.405
  • CONTRADICTORY BECAUSE WEDON'T BELIEVE IN TRUTH ANYWAY.
  • 00:06:31.405 --> 00:06:32.072
  • DON'T BELIEVE IN TRUTH ANYWAY.THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION
  • 00:06:32.072 --> 00:06:34.942
  • THE SEXUAL REVOLUTIONOR INTIMIDATION BY A
  • 00:06:34.942 --> 00:06:38.545
  • OR INTIMIDATION BY ASECULAR MEDIA, BY ACADEMIA,
  • 00:06:38.545 --> 00:06:40.447
  • SECULAR MEDIA, BY ACADEMIA,CULTURAL LEADS THAT ARE
  • 00:06:40.447 --> 00:06:41.315
  • CULTURAL LEADS THAT AREVERY HOSTILE TO
  • 00:06:41.315 --> 00:06:42.583
  • VERY HOSTILE TOTHE CHRISTIAN FAITH.
  • 00:06:42.583 --> 00:06:44.751
  • THE CHRISTIAN FAITH.SO ALL OF THESE ARE THINGS
  • 00:06:44.751 --> 00:06:46.453
  • SO ALL OF THESE ARE THINGSTHAT WE NEED TO CONTEND
  • 00:06:46.453 --> 00:06:47.888
  • THAT WE NEED TO CONTENDWITH, AND SO I WROTE THE
  • 00:06:47.888 --> 00:06:50.457
  • WITH, AND SO I WROTE THEBOOK TO SAY, "OKAY, HOW DO
  • 00:06:50.457 --> 00:06:51.225
  • BOOK TO SAY, "OKAY, HOW DOWE SPEAK IN FOR SUCH A
  • 00:06:51.225 --> 00:06:55.128
  • WE SPEAK IN FOR SUCH ATIME AS THIS?"
  • 00:06:55.128 --> 00:06:56.797
  • TIME AS THIS?"AND WHAT I ALWAYS HEAR IS
  • 00:06:56.797 --> 00:06:59.366
  • AND WHAT I ALWAYS HEAR IS"WHY SHOULD I EVEN BOTHER
  • 00:06:59.366 --> 00:07:01.468
  • "WHY SHOULD I EVEN BOTHERTO SHARE MY FAITH WHEN THE
  • 00:07:01.468 --> 00:07:03.136
  • TO SHARE MY FAITH WHEN THEWORLD HAS CHANGED SO
  • 00:07:03.136 --> 00:07:05.439
  • WORLD HAS CHANGED SODRAMATICALLY?"
  • 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:06.173
  • DRAMATICALLY?"- ERIC: WE'RE GONNA BE
  • 00:07:06.173 --> 00:07:06.773
  • - ERIC: WE'RE GONNA BERIGHT BACK TO CONTINUE OUR
  • 00:07:06.773 --> 00:07:07.674
  • RIGHT BACK TO CONTINUE OURCONVERSATION.
  • 00:07:07.674 --> 00:07:09.977
  • CONVERSATION.FOLKS, DON'T GO AWAY.
  • 00:07:09.977 --> 00:07:11.003
  • CONVERSATION.FOLKS, DON'T GO AWAY.
  • 00:07:11.003 --> 00:07:12.342
  • - ERIC: FOLKS, WELCOME
  • 00:07:13.743 --> 00:07:14.511
  • I'M TALKING TO BECKY PIPPERT.
  • 00:07:15.979 --> 00:07:18.548
  • I'M TALKING TO BECKY PIPPERT.YOU HEARD ME: BECKY PIPPERT,
  • 00:07:18.548 --> 00:07:19.582
  • YOU HEARD ME: BECKY PIPPERT,SHE HAS A NEW BOOK OUT.
  • 00:07:19.582 --> 00:07:20.383
  • SHE HAS A NEW BOOK OUT.A LOT OF PEOPLE LISTENING
  • 00:07:20.383 --> 00:07:21.551
  • A LOT OF PEOPLE LISTENINGKNOW THE OLD BOOK,
  • 00:07:21.551 --> 00:07:22.785
  • KNOW THE OLD BOOK,THE BOOK
  • 00:07:22.785 --> 00:07:24.687
  • THE NEW BOOK IS CALLED
  • 00:07:26.523 --> 00:07:27.090
  • THE NEW BOOK IS CALLED"STAY SALT: THE WORLD HAS
  • 00:07:27.090 --> 00:07:28.157
  • "STAY SALT: THE WORLD HASCHANGED: OUR MESSAGE HAS NOT."
  • 00:07:28.157 --> 00:07:30.126
  • CHANGED: OUR MESSAGE HAS NOT."NOW, BECKY, A LOT
  • 00:07:30.126 --> 00:07:31.127
  • NOW, BECKY, A LOTOF PEOPLE JUST THINK,
  • 00:07:31.127 --> 00:07:32.462
  • OF PEOPLE JUST THINK,"THINGS ARE SO INSANE.
  • 00:07:32.462 --> 00:07:37.066
  • "THINGS ARE SO INSANE.WHY BOTHER SHARING MY FAITH?
  • 00:07:37.066 --> 00:07:37.867
  • WHY BOTHER SHARING MY FAITH?DO PEOPLE WANNA HEAR IT?"
  • 00:07:37.867 --> 00:07:38.601
  • - BECKY: YES, FIRST OF
  • 00:07:40.336 --> 00:07:43.506
  • - BECKY: YES, FIRST OFALL, "WHY BOTHER?"
  • 00:07:43.506 --> 00:07:43.973
  • ALL, "WHY BOTHER?"WELL, NUMBER ONE, IT'S
  • 00:07:43.973 --> 00:07:46.876
  • WELL, NUMBER ONE, IT'SBECAUSE JESUS COMMANDS US TO.
  • 00:07:46.876 --> 00:07:48.077
  • BECAUSE JESUS COMMANDS US TO.WHEN THE RISEN LORD, JUST
  • 00:07:48.077 --> 00:07:49.812
  • WHEN THE RISEN LORD, JUSTBEFORE HE WAS GOING TO
  • 00:07:49.812 --> 00:07:51.447
  • WHAT WAS IT THAT HE SAID?
  • 00:07:54.017 --> 00:07:55.552
  • WHAT WAS IT THAT HE SAID?AND PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE,
  • 00:07:55.552 --> 00:07:58.021
  • AND PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE,WHEN JESUS CALLS US IN THE
  • 00:07:58.021 --> 00:07:59.188
  • WHEN JESUS CALLS US IN THEGREAT COMMISSION, "GO YE
  • 00:07:59.188 --> 00:08:00.924
  • GREAT COMMISSION, "GO YETHEREFORE," YOU KNOW, "AND
  • 00:08:00.924 --> 00:08:01.958
  • THEREFORE," YOU KNOW, "ANDMAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE
  • 00:08:01.958 --> 00:08:02.659
  • MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THENATIONS," WHAT DID JESUS
  • 00:08:02.659 --> 00:08:05.061
  • NATIONS," WHAT DID JESUSNOT SAY?
  • 00:08:05.061 --> 00:08:06.262
  • NOT SAY?HE DIDN'T SAY, "GO YE
  • 00:08:06.262 --> 00:08:07.630
  • HE DIDN'T SAY, "GO YETHEREFORE ALL YOU
  • 00:08:07.630 --> 00:08:11.467
  • THEREFORE ALL YOUEXTROVERTS, ALL YOU
  • 00:08:11.467 --> 00:08:14.304
  • EXTROVERTS, ALL YOUEVANGELISTS, ALL-- OKAY--
  • 00:08:14.304 --> 00:08:15.705
  • EVANGELISTS, ALL-- OKAY--PROFESSIONAL CLERGY.
  • 00:08:15.705 --> 00:08:17.874
  • PROFESSIONAL CLERGY.ALL RIGHT, MAYBE SOME
  • 00:08:17.874 --> 00:08:19.509
  • ALL RIGHT, MAYBE SOMEBAPTISTS, GO YE THEREFORE,
  • 00:08:19.509 --> 00:08:20.910
  • BAPTISTS, GO YE THEREFORE,BUT THE REST OF YOU, JUST
  • 00:08:20.910 --> 00:08:24.614
  • BUT THE REST OF YOU, JUSTHANG OUT, SING SOME HYMNS.
  • 00:08:24.614 --> 00:08:25.148
  • HANG OUT, SING SOME HYMNS.I'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU
  • 00:08:25.148 --> 00:08:25.782
  • I'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOUKNOW IT."
  • 00:08:25.782 --> 00:08:26.416
  • KNOW IT."THAT IS NOT WHAT THE
  • 00:08:26.416 --> 00:08:27.617
  • THAT IS NOT WHAT THELORD SAID.
  • 00:08:27.617 --> 00:08:30.086
  • LORD SAID.HE DIDN'T TIE IT TO GIFTS.
  • 00:08:30.086 --> 00:08:31.688
  • HE DIDN'T TIE IT TO GIFTS.AND WHAT DO I ALWAYS HEAR?
  • 00:08:31.688 --> 00:08:32.388
  • AND WHAT DO I ALWAYS HEAR?"OH, WELL, I DON'T HAVE
  • 00:08:32.388 --> 00:08:34.857
  • "OH, WELL, I DON'T HAVETHE GIFT."
  • 00:08:34.857 --> 00:08:35.625
  • THE GIFT."HE DIDN'T TIE IT TO GIFTS.
  • 00:08:35.625 --> 00:08:36.125
  • HE DIDN'T TIE IT TO GIFTS.HE DIDN'T TIE IT TO
  • 00:08:36.125 --> 00:08:37.160
  • HE DIDN'T TIE IT TOPERSONALITY.
  • 00:08:37.160 --> 00:08:38.728
  • PERSONALITY.HE SAID THAT WE ARE ALL TO
  • 00:08:38.728 --> 00:08:40.229
  • HE SAID THAT WE ARE ALL TOGO AND SHARE THE GOOD NEWS
  • 00:08:40.229 --> 00:08:42.498
  • GO AND SHARE THE GOOD NEWSOF JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:08:42.498 --> 00:08:43.833
  • OF JESUS CHRIST.NOW, HOW WE DO THAT, OF
  • 00:08:43.833 --> 00:08:44.634
  • NOW, HOW WE DO THAT, OFCOURSE, IS ANOTHER ISSUE
  • 00:08:44.634 --> 00:08:45.969
  • COURSE, IS ANOTHER ISSUETHAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT, BUT
  • 00:08:45.969 --> 00:08:47.570
  • THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT, BUTI WANNA ALSO ASK, "WHY DID
  • 00:08:47.570 --> 00:08:51.574
  • I WANNA ALSO ASK, "WHY DIDHE COMMAND THIS?"
  • 00:08:51.574 --> 00:08:53.376
  • HE COMMAND THIS?"AND IT'S BECAUSE GOD LOVES
  • 00:08:53.376 --> 00:08:55.511
  • AND IT'S BECAUSE GOD LOVESTHE WORLD.
  • 00:08:55.511 --> 00:08:56.646
  • THE WORLD.HE LOVES US: HE LOVES
  • 00:08:56.646 --> 00:08:58.014
  • HE LOVES US: HE LOVESSINNERS, HE LOVES SAINTS,
  • 00:08:58.014 --> 00:08:59.849
  • SINNERS, HE LOVES SAINTS,HE LOVES THE LOST,
  • 00:08:59.849 --> 00:09:00.350
  • HE LOVES THE LOST,HE LOVES THE FOUND.
  • 00:09:00.350 --> 00:09:03.186
  • HE LOVES THE FOUND.HE LOVES US SO MUCH THAT
  • 00:09:03.186 --> 00:09:04.487
  • HE LOVES US SO MUCH THATHE SENT THE MOST PRECIOUS
  • 00:09:04.487 --> 00:09:06.122
  • HE SENT THE MOST PRECIOUSTHING HE HAD, THE LORD
  • 00:09:06.122 --> 00:09:07.256
  • THING HE HAD, THE LORDJESUS, TO COME.
  • 00:09:07.256 --> 00:09:10.026
  • JESUS, TO COME.SO IF GOD LOVED US THIS
  • 00:09:10.026 --> 00:09:12.528
  • SO IF GOD LOVED US THISMUCH, WE MUST LOVE THIS
  • 00:09:12.528 --> 00:09:14.764
  • MUCH, WE MUST LOVE THISMUCH AND GO INTO THE WORLD
  • 00:09:14.764 --> 00:09:17.166
  • MUCH AND GO INTO THE WORLDAND SHARE THE GOOD NEWS.
  • 00:09:17.166 --> 00:09:18.668
  • AND SHARE THE GOOD NEWS.BUT THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE
  • 00:09:18.668 --> 00:09:20.803
  • BUT THERE'S ANOTHER SIDETO THIS, AND THAT IS,
  • 00:09:20.803 --> 00:09:22.338
  • TO THIS, AND THAT IS,ERIC, IF I HAVE SEEN
  • 00:09:22.338 --> 00:09:22.972
  • ERIC, IF I HAVE SEENANYTHING-- AND I'VE BEEN
  • 00:09:22.972 --> 00:09:24.340
  • ANYTHING-- AND I'VE BEENIN THE MOST SECULAR
  • 00:09:24.340 --> 00:09:24.974
  • IN THE MOST SECULARCULTURES, THE MOST
  • 00:09:24.974 --> 00:09:26.976
  • CULTURES, THE MOSTSECULARIZED CULTURES IN
  • 00:09:26.976 --> 00:09:28.778
  • SECULARIZED CULTURES INTHE WORLD, LIVED THERE.
  • 00:09:28.778 --> 00:09:31.280
  • THE WORLD, LIVED THERE.AND WHAT I'VE SEEN AGAIN
  • 00:09:31.280 --> 00:09:33.416
  • AND WHAT I'VE SEEN AGAINAND AGAIN IS SECULARISM
  • 00:09:33.416 --> 00:09:37.020
  • AND AGAIN IS SECULARISMDOES NOT HAVE THE POWER OR
  • 00:09:37.020 --> 00:09:38.855
  • DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER ORTHE ANSWERS TO ADDRESS
  • 00:09:38.855 --> 00:09:41.758
  • THE ANSWERS TO ADDRESSHUMAN LONGINGS.
  • 00:09:41.758 --> 00:09:43.993
  • HUMAN LONGINGS.GOD HAS PLACED IN ALL OF
  • 00:09:43.993 --> 00:09:45.328
  • GOD HAS PLACED IN ALL OFUS THE LONGING FOR MEANING
  • 00:09:45.328 --> 00:09:47.263
  • US THE LONGING FOR MEANINGAND IDENTITY AND PURPOSE,
  • 00:09:47.263 --> 00:09:48.965
  • AND IDENTITY AND PURPOSE,AND IT'S THERE, AND WE'VE
  • 00:09:48.965 --> 00:09:50.767
  • AND IT'S THERE, AND WE'VEGOTTA KEEP THAT IN MIND.
  • 00:09:50.767 --> 00:09:53.503
  • GOTTA KEEP THAT IN MIND.SECULARISM CANNOT ADDRESS
  • 00:09:53.503 --> 00:09:56.606
  • SECULARISM CANNOT ADDRESSTHIS.
  • 00:09:56.606 --> 00:09:57.473
  • THIS.AND LET ME TELL YA
  • 00:09:57.473 --> 00:09:59.175
  • AND LET ME TELL YASOMETHING: I SAW THIS
  • 00:09:59.175 --> 00:10:00.710
  • SOMETHING: I SAW THISOPENNESS SPIRITUALLY OVER
  • 00:10:00.710 --> 00:10:03.713
  • OPENNESS SPIRITUALLY OVERAND OVER AGAIN IN THE
  • 00:10:03.713 --> 00:10:04.447
  • AND OVER AGAIN IN THESEVEN YEARS WE LIVED IN
  • 00:10:04.447 --> 00:10:05.415
  • SEVEN YEARS WE LIVED INTHE U.K.
  • 00:10:05.415 --> 00:10:06.449
  • THE U.K.AND THEN ALSO MINISTERED
  • 00:10:06.449 --> 00:10:09.118
  • AND THEN ALSO MINISTEREDON THE CONTINENT.
  • 00:10:09.118 --> 00:10:10.219
  • ON THE CONTINENT.NOW, AND NOT ONLY WERE WE
  • 00:10:10.219 --> 00:10:12.321
  • NOW, AND NOT ONLY WERE WELIVING IN THE MOST SECULAR
  • 00:10:12.321 --> 00:10:13.423
  • LIVING IN THE MOST SECULARPLACE ON THE PLANET,
  • 00:10:13.423 --> 00:10:14.857
  • PLACE ON THE PLANET,WE WERE MINISTERING AT THE
  • 00:10:14.857 --> 00:10:16.893
  • WE WERE MINISTERING AT THEUNIVERSITIES, AND I WAS
  • 00:10:16.893 --> 00:10:18.661
  • UNIVERSITIES, AND I WASSPEAKING TO UNIVERSITIES,
  • 00:10:18.661 --> 00:10:19.262
  • SPEAKING TO UNIVERSITIES,AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT I
  • 00:10:19.262 --> 00:10:20.329
  • AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT IBEGAN TO REALIZE?
  • 00:10:20.329 --> 00:10:23.266
  • BEGAN TO REALIZE?I WAS BEGINNING TO SEE
  • 00:10:23.266 --> 00:10:27.570
  • I WAS BEGINNING TO SEETHE BACK SIDE OF SECULARISM.
  • 00:10:27.570 --> 00:10:30.273
  • THE BACK SIDE OF SECULARISM.THEY HAVE BEEN SECULAR FOR
  • 00:10:30.273 --> 00:10:32.341
  • THEY HAVE BEEN SECULAR FORSO LONG, FAR LONGER THAN
  • 00:10:32.341 --> 00:10:35.511
  • SO LONG, FAR LONGER THANWE HAVE, AND THERE WAS AN
  • 00:10:35.511 --> 00:10:38.014
  • WE HAVE, AND THERE WAS ANOPENNESS AND A HUNGER.
  • 00:10:38.014 --> 00:10:40.850
  • OPENNESS AND A HUNGER.NOW, YOU HAVE TO APPROACH
  • 00:10:40.850 --> 00:10:42.485
  • NOW, YOU HAVE TO APPROACHPEOPLE PROPERLY.
  • 00:10:42.485 --> 00:10:43.052
  • PEOPLE PROPERLY.YOU CAN'T BARGE IN AND
  • 00:10:43.052 --> 00:10:44.387
  • YOU CAN'T BARGE IN ANDSTART PREACHING.
  • 00:10:44.387 --> 00:10:44.987
  • START PREACHING.WE HAVE TO DO IT JESUS'S
  • 00:10:44.987 --> 00:10:46.889
  • WE HAVE TO DO IT JESUS'SWAY, WHICH WE'LL LOOK AT.
  • 00:10:46.889 --> 00:10:47.790
  • WAY, WHICH WE'LL LOOK AT.BUT THERE WAS AN OPENNESS
  • 00:10:47.790 --> 00:10:49.092
  • BUT THERE WAS AN OPENNESSAND AN OPENNESS TO
  • 00:10:49.092 --> 00:10:51.227
  • AND AN OPENNESS TOSPIRITUAL DIALOGUE.
  • 00:10:51.227 --> 00:10:52.862
  • SPIRITUAL DIALOGUE.WHEN I CAME BACK TO THE
  • 00:10:52.862 --> 00:10:55.264
  • WHEN I CAME BACK TO THESTATES-- AND WE HAD
  • 00:10:55.264 --> 00:10:58.034
  • STATES-- AND WE HADTRAVELED AROUND THE WORLD,
  • 00:10:58.034 --> 00:10:59.268
  • TRAVELED AROUND THE WORLD,AND THEN WE DID THOSE
  • 00:10:59.268 --> 00:11:00.470
  • AND THEN WE DID THOSESEVEN YEARS IN THE U.K.,
  • 00:11:00.470 --> 00:11:03.239
  • SEVEN YEARS IN THE U.K.,IN EUROPE, AND I FELT--
  • 00:11:03.239 --> 00:11:04.073
  • IN EUROPE, AND I FELT--INCREASINGLY, I FELT THAT
  • 00:11:04.073 --> 00:11:05.174
  • INCREASINGLY, I FELT THATI IDENTIFIED SO MUCH WITH
  • 00:11:05.174 --> 00:11:06.442
  • I IDENTIFIED SO MUCH WITHLESSLIE NEWBIGIN, WHO WAS
  • 00:11:06.442 --> 00:11:08.644
  • LESSLIE NEWBIGIN, WHO WASTHE MISSIONARY FROM ENGLAND,
  • 00:11:08.644 --> 00:11:09.679
  • THE MISSIONARY FROM ENGLAND,WHO WENT TO INDIA,
  • 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.047
  • WHO WENT TO INDIA,AND THEN HE CAME BACK AFTER
  • 00:11:11.047 --> 00:11:12.715
  • AND THEN HE CAME BACK AFTERALL THOSE YEARS IN THE '50s,
  • 00:11:12.715 --> 00:11:14.016
  • ALL THOSE YEARS IN THE '50s,AND HE WAS SHOCKED AT HOW
  • 00:11:14.016 --> 00:11:16.986
  • AND HE WAS SHOCKED AT HOWSECULARIZED EUROPE HAD BECOME,
  • 00:11:16.986 --> 00:11:19.355
  • SECULARIZED EUROPE HAD BECOME,U.K. HAD BECOME,
  • 00:11:19.355 --> 00:11:20.723
  • U.K. HAD BECOME,AND HE SAW TWO DIFFERENT THINGS
  • 00:11:20.723 --> 00:11:22.558
  • AND HE SAW TWO DIFFERENT THINGSTHAT WHAT SECULARISM HAD
  • 00:11:22.558 --> 00:11:24.927
  • THAT WHAT SECULARISM HADDONE IS NOT ONLY MADE IT
  • 00:11:24.927 --> 00:11:26.462
  • DONE IS NOT ONLY MADE ITCHALLENGING FOR HOW DO
  • 00:11:26.462 --> 00:11:27.363
  • CHALLENGING FOR HOW DOWE COMMUNICATE THE GOSPEL
  • 00:11:27.363 --> 00:11:28.598
  • WE COMMUNICATE THE GOSPELTO THE WORLD,
  • 00:11:28.598 --> 00:11:30.166
  • TO THE WORLD,BUT HE ALSO SAW HOW DO WE
  • 00:11:30.166 --> 00:11:31.267
  • BUT HE ALSO SAW HOW DO WECOMMUNICATE THE GOSPEL TO
  • 00:11:31.267 --> 00:11:32.568
  • COMMUNICATE THE GOSPEL TOTHE CHURCH.
  • 00:11:32.568 --> 00:11:33.836
  • THE CHURCH.THE CHURCH HAD BEEN SO
  • 00:11:33.836 --> 00:11:35.938
  • THE CHURCH HAD BEEN SOMUCH MORE IMPACTED BY
  • 00:11:35.938 --> 00:11:37.240
  • MUCH MORE IMPACTED BYSECULARISM THAN THEY KNEW.
  • 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:38.941
  • SECULARISM THAN THEY KNEW.THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MY
  • 00:11:38.941 --> 00:11:40.076
  • THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MYHUSBAND, DICK, AND I FELT
  • 00:11:40.076 --> 00:11:41.344
  • HUSBAND, DICK, AND I FELTWHEN WE CAME BACK TO THE
  • 00:11:41.344 --> 00:11:42.812
  • WHEN WE CAME BACK TO THESTATES TWO YEARS AGO,
  • 00:11:42.812 --> 00:11:44.313
  • STATES TWO YEARS AGO,WHERE SECULARISM HAD SO
  • 00:11:44.313 --> 00:11:46.349
  • WHERE SECULARISM HAD SODRAMATICALLY INCREASED,
  • 00:11:46.349 --> 00:11:48.684
  • DRAMATICALLY INCREASED,BUT THE CHURCH NEEDED AS
  • 00:11:48.684 --> 00:11:50.353
  • BUT THE CHURCH NEEDED ASMUCH HELP AS THE WORLD DID.
  • 00:11:50.353 --> 00:11:53.422
  • MUCH HELP AS THE WORLD DID.SO THAT IS THE BEGINNING
  • 00:11:53.422 --> 00:11:55.291
  • SO THAT IS THE BEGINNINGOF WHY WE GO AND SHARE THE
  • 00:11:55.291 --> 00:11:56.325
  • OF WHY WE GO AND SHARE THEGOOD NEWS.
  • 00:11:56.325 --> 00:11:57.126
  • GOOD NEWS.- ERIC: THERE'S A LONGING
  • 00:11:57.126 --> 00:11:58.261
  • - ERIC: THERE'S A LONGINGTHAT PEOPLE HAVE.
  • 00:11:58.261 --> 00:11:59.595
  • THAT PEOPLE HAVE.I GUESS I CALL IT THE
  • 00:11:59.595 --> 00:12:01.097
  • I GUESS I CALL IT THE"TANG OF OTHERNESS."
  • 00:12:01.097 --> 00:12:02.532
  • "TANG OF OTHERNESS."YOU KNOW, YOU FIND PEOPLE IN
  • 00:12:02.532 --> 00:12:04.934
  • YOU KNOW, YOU FIND PEOPLE INPRISONS WHO BECOME MUSLIM
  • 00:12:04.934 --> 00:12:06.869
  • PRISONS WHO BECOME MUSLIMCONVERTS, AND THEY LIKE
  • 00:12:06.869 --> 00:12:09.639
  • CONVERTS, AND THEY LIKETHE RIGOR OF IT.
  • 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:10.807
  • THE RIGOR OF IT.IT'S ALL-ENCOMPASSING.
  • 00:12:10.807 --> 00:12:12.742
  • IT'S ALL-ENCOMPASSING.SOMETIMES WE CHRISTIANS
  • 00:12:12.742 --> 00:12:14.243
  • SOMETIMES WE CHRISTIANSHAVE MADE IT TOO EASY AND
  • 00:12:14.243 --> 00:12:15.178
  • HAVE MADE IT TOO EASY ANDSAID, "WELL, YOU DON'T
  • 00:12:15.178 --> 00:12:15.645
  • SAID, "WELL, YOU DON'THAVE TO REALLY CHANGE
  • 00:12:15.645 --> 00:12:16.145
  • HAVE TO REALLY CHANGEANYTHING.
  • 00:12:16.145 --> 00:12:16.846
  • ANYTHING.JUST PRAY THIS PRAYER."
  • 00:12:16.846 --> 00:12:17.580
  • JUST PRAY THIS PRAYER."- BECKY: YES.
  • 00:12:17.580 --> 00:12:18.114
  • - BECKY: YES.- ERIC: AND, IN A SENSE,
  • 00:12:18.114 --> 00:12:19.248
  • - ERIC: AND, IN A SENSE,IF THAT'S ALL YOU DO, YOU
  • 00:12:19.248 --> 00:12:21.651
  • - BECKY: YEAH, THAT IS
  • 00:12:22.752 --> 00:12:23.085
  • - BECKY: YEAH, THAT ISALSO TRUE.
  • 00:12:23.085 --> 00:12:25.521
  • ALSO TRUE.YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF
  • 00:12:25.521 --> 00:12:27.190
  • YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OFTHE REASONS WHY THE
  • 00:12:27.190 --> 00:12:29.826
  • THE REASONS WHY THERELUCTANCE THAT WE HAVE
  • 00:12:29.826 --> 00:12:33.095
  • ONE IS, I THINK, SOME
  • 00:12:35.464 --> 00:12:37.066
  • ONE IS, I THINK, SOMECHRISTIANS HAVE THIS SORT
  • 00:12:37.066 --> 00:12:40.303
  • CHRISTIANS HAVE THIS SORTOF OLDER VIEW OF EVANGELISM.
  • 00:12:40.303 --> 00:12:41.704
  • OF OLDER VIEW OF EVANGELISM.I WAS SORT OF-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:12:41.704 --> 00:12:42.505
  • I WAS SORT OF-- YOU KNOW,THAT WAS WHEN I WROTE
  • 00:12:42.505 --> 00:12:43.806
  • THAT WAS WHEN I WROTE"OUT OF THE SALT SHAKER,"
  • 00:12:43.806 --> 00:12:44.774
  • "OUT OF THE SALT SHAKER,"AND IT WAS LIKE, "I'M GONNA
  • 00:12:44.774 --> 00:12:47.510
  • AND IT WAS LIKE, "I'M GONNAMEMORIZE THIS OUTLINE AND
  • 00:12:47.510 --> 00:12:49.212
  • MEMORIZE THIS OUTLINE ANDTHEN PICK SOME POOR VICTIM
  • 00:12:49.212 --> 00:12:52.715
  • THEN PICK SOME POOR VICTIMAND GO AND PREACH AND LEAVE."
  • 00:12:52.715 --> 00:12:54.283
  • AND GO AND PREACH AND LEAVE."WHEN YOU LOOK AT JESUS,
  • 00:12:54.283 --> 00:12:55.251
  • WHEN YOU LOOK AT JESUS,HE NEVER SAID THE
  • 00:12:55.251 --> 00:12:58.054
  • HE NEVER SAID THESAME THING TWICE.
  • 00:12:58.054 --> 00:12:58.621
  • SAME THING TWICE.THE WAY HE TALKED TO PEOPLE,
  • 00:12:58.621 --> 00:13:00.022
  • THE WAY HE TALKED TO PEOPLE,IT WAS WHO THEY WERE.
  • 00:13:00.022 --> 00:13:00.723
  • IT WAS WHO THEY WERE.HE LISTENED.
  • 00:13:00.723 --> 00:13:01.958
  • HE LISTENED.HE ASKED QUESTIONS.
  • 00:13:01.958 --> 00:13:02.859
  • HE ASKED QUESTIONS.AGAIN, WE'LL GET TO THAT
  • 00:13:02.859 --> 00:13:05.127
  • AGAIN, WE'LL GET TO THATIN A LITTLE BIT, BUT JESUS
  • 00:13:05.127 --> 00:13:05.928
  • IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT JESUSDIDN'T HAVE THREE-SET
  • 00:13:05.928 --> 00:13:07.830
  • DIDN'T HAVE THREE-SETQUESTIONS HE ALWAYS ASKED.
  • 00:13:07.830 --> 00:13:10.199
  • QUESTIONS HE ALWAYS ASKED.WHAT I FIND THOUGH TODAY--
  • 00:13:10.199 --> 00:13:11.601
  • WHAT I FIND THOUGH TODAY--SOME CHRISTIANS STILL DO THAT,
  • 00:13:11.601 --> 00:13:13.803
  • SOME CHRISTIANS STILL DO THAT,BUT WHAT I FIND IS
  • 00:13:13.803 --> 00:13:15.204
  • BUT WHAT I FIND ISTHERE IS A REDEFINING OF
  • 00:13:15.204 --> 00:13:16.038
  • THERE IS A REDEFINING OFEVANGELISM THAT SIMPLY
  • 00:13:16.038 --> 00:13:19.075
  • EVANGELISM THAT SIMPLYISN'T BIBLICAL.
  • 00:13:19.075 --> 00:13:19.976
  • ISN'T BIBLICAL.HERE'S WHAT I HEAR ALL THE
  • 00:13:19.976 --> 00:13:21.344
  • HERE'S WHAT I HEAR ALL THETIME IN THE STATES:
  • 00:13:21.344 --> 00:13:25.915
  • TIME IN THE STATES:"OUR TASK IS TO DEMONSTRATE
  • 00:13:25.915 --> 00:13:26.782
  • "OUR TASK IS TO DEMONSTRATETHE GOSPEL, NOT TELL THE
  • 00:13:26.782 --> 00:13:27.683
  • THE GOSPEL, NOT TELL THEGOSPEL,"
  • 00:13:27.683 --> 00:13:28.951
  • GOSPEL,"AND WHAT I HEAR--
  • 00:13:28.951 --> 00:13:29.952
  • AND WHAT I HEAR--NOW, OF COURSE, WE'RE
  • 00:13:29.952 --> 00:13:30.887
  • NOW, OF COURSE, WE'RESUPPOSED TO DEMONSTRATE
  • 00:13:30.887 --> 00:13:32.855
  • SUPPOSED TO DEMONSTRATETHE GOSPEL, BUT WHAT I
  • 00:13:32.855 --> 00:13:35.324
  • THE GOSPEL, BUT WHAT IHEAR ENDLESSLY QUOTED IS
  • 00:13:35.324 --> 00:13:37.326
  • HEAR ENDLESSLY QUOTED ISFRANCIS OF ASSISI,
  • 00:13:37.326 --> 00:13:38.027
  • FRANCIS OF ASSISI,"PREACH THE GOSPEL AND,
  • 00:13:38.027 --> 00:13:41.530
  • "PREACH THE GOSPEL AND,IF NECESSARY, USE WORDS."
  • 00:13:41.530 --> 00:13:42.698
  • IF NECESSARY, USE WORDS."AND, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S
  • 00:13:42.698 --> 00:13:43.900
  • AND, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'SNO HISTORICAL EVIDENCE
  • 00:13:43.900 --> 00:13:45.835
  • NO HISTORICAL EVIDENCETHAT ASSISI EVER SAID IT,
  • 00:13:45.835 --> 00:13:46.636
  • THAT ASSISI EVER SAID IT,AND IF HE DID SAY IT,
  • 00:13:46.636 --> 00:13:47.570
  • AND IF HE DID SAY IT,HE WAS WRONG BECAUSE THAT
  • 00:13:47.570 --> 00:13:49.305
  • HE WAS WRONG BECAUSE THATIS NOT WHAT BIBLICAL
  • 00:13:49.305 --> 00:13:51.407
  • IS NOT WHAT BIBLICALEVANGELISM IS.
  • 00:13:51.407 --> 00:13:52.541
  • EVANGELISM IS.BIBLICAL EVANGELISM IS
  • 00:13:52.541 --> 00:13:53.709
  • BIBLICAL EVANGELISM ISWHO WE ARE.
  • 00:13:53.709 --> 00:13:56.345
  • WHO WE ARE.EMERSON'S, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:13:56.345 --> 00:13:58.848
  • EMERSON'S, YOU KNOW,"THE POET," SAID,
  • 00:13:58.848 --> 00:14:00.016
  • "THE POET," SAID,"WHO YOU ARE SHOUTS SO LOUD,
  • 00:14:00.016 --> 00:14:03.019
  • "WHO YOU ARE SHOUTS SO LOUD,I CANNOT HEAR WHAT YOU SAY."
  • 00:14:03.019 --> 00:14:03.486
  • I CANNOT HEAR WHAT YOU SAY."IN OTHER WORDS,
  • 00:14:03.486 --> 00:14:04.053
  • IN OTHER WORDS,WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE
  • 00:14:04.053 --> 00:14:06.923
  • WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATETHE BEAUTY,
  • 00:14:06.923 --> 00:14:07.556
  • THE BEAUTY,THE LOVE, THE POWER OF JESUS.
  • 00:14:07.556 --> 00:14:08.691
  • THE LOVE, THE POWER OF JESUS.IT'S WHO WE ARE.
  • 00:14:08.691 --> 00:14:11.060
  • IT'S WHO WE ARE.SECONDLY, IT IS WHAT WE
  • 00:14:11.060 --> 00:14:12.461
  • SECONDLY, IT IS WHAT WEDO, AND THAT IS WHERE
  • 00:14:12.461 --> 00:14:13.596
  • DO, AND THAT IS WHEREJUSTICE COMES IN.
  • 00:14:13.596 --> 00:14:14.931
  • JUSTICE COMES IN.JUSTICE IS A PART OF OUR
  • 00:14:14.931 --> 00:14:15.431
  • JUSTICE IS A PART OF OURWITNESS THAT WE CARE FOR
  • 00:14:15.431 --> 00:14:16.866
  • WITNESS THAT WE CARE FORTHE POOR, THAT WE CARE FOR
  • 00:14:16.866 --> 00:14:17.967
  • THE POOR, THAT WE CARE FORTHE NEEDY.
  • 00:14:17.967 --> 00:14:19.068
  • THE NEEDY.THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART,
  • 00:14:19.068 --> 00:14:23.739
  • THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART,BUT PROBABLY THE STRONGEST
  • 00:14:23.739 --> 00:14:27.209
  • BUT PROBABLY THE STRONGESTMODEL OF EVANGELISM IN THE
  • 00:14:27.209 --> 00:14:29.812
  • MODEL OF EVANGELISM IN THEGOSPELS AND IN ACTS AND
  • 00:14:29.812 --> 00:14:31.147
  • GOSPELS AND IN ACTS ANDTHE EPISTLES IS THE
  • 00:14:31.147 --> 00:14:33.049
  • THE EPISTLES IS THEVERBAL, AND THAT IS WHERE
  • 00:14:33.049 --> 00:14:35.017
  • VERBAL, AND THAT IS WHEREWE'RE SO TERRIBLY WEAK.
  • 00:14:35.017 --> 00:14:37.320
  • WE'RE SO TERRIBLY WEAK.WE DON'T KNOW, AND IT'S
  • 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:38.354
  • WE DON'T KNOW, AND IT'SWHERE WE'VE GOTTA HELP
  • 00:14:38.354 --> 00:14:39.088
  • WHERE WE'VE GOTTA HELPCHRISTIANS TODAY.
  • 00:14:39.088 --> 00:14:40.222
  • CHRISTIANS TODAY.HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE THE
  • 00:14:40.222 --> 00:14:41.724
  • HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE THEGOSPEL FOR SUCH A TIME AS
  • 00:14:41.724 --> 00:14:44.961
  • GOSPEL FOR SUCH A TIME ASTHIS?
  • 00:14:44.961 --> 00:14:45.494
  • THIS?- ERIC: WHEN YOU SAY THE
  • 00:14:45.494 --> 00:14:47.296
  • - ERIC: WHEN YOU SAY THEWORLD HAS CHANGED, I MEAN,
  • 00:14:47.296 --> 00:14:48.130
  • WORLD HAS CHANGED, I MEAN,IT'S CHANGED PARTICULARLY
  • 00:14:48.130 --> 00:14:48.698
  • IT'S CHANGED PARTICULARLYDRAMATICALLY, PARTICULARLY
  • 00:14:48.698 --> 00:14:49.699
  • DRAMATICALLY, PARTICULARLYRECENTLY.
  • 00:14:49.699 --> 00:14:50.866
  • RECENTLY.DOES THAT COME IN TO YOUR
  • 00:14:50.866 --> 00:14:52.268
  • DOES THAT COME IN TO YOURTHINKING AT ALL, OR CAN WE
  • 00:14:52.268 --> 00:14:52.802
  • THINKING AT ALL, OR CAN WEUSE THAT AS A LEAPING-OFF
  • 00:14:52.802 --> 00:14:54.737
  • USE THAT AS A LEAPING-OFFPOINT?
  • 00:14:54.737 --> 00:14:55.738
  • POINT?- BECKY: OH, YEAH,
  • 00:14:55.738 --> 00:14:56.372
  • - BECKY: OH, YEAH,LISTEN, LET'S JUST TAKE COVID.
  • 00:14:56.372 --> 00:14:58.941
  • LISTEN, LET'S JUST TAKE COVID.IS THIS-- IN FACT, WHAT
  • 00:14:58.941 --> 00:15:01.577
  • IS THIS-- IN FACT, WHATHAPPENS IN CATASTROPHE?
  • 00:15:01.577 --> 00:15:03.612
  • HAPPENS IN CATASTROPHE?THIS IS A GLOBAL CATASTROPHE.
  • 00:15:03.612 --> 00:15:08.351
  • THIS IS A GLOBAL CATASTROPHE.IS THERE ANYTHING POSITIVE
  • 00:15:08.351 --> 00:15:09.552
  • IS THERE ANYTHING POSITIVEPOSSIBLY THAT CAN COME FOR
  • 00:15:09.552 --> 00:15:10.152
  • POSSIBLY THAT CAN COME FORSOMETHING THAT REALLY IS
  • 00:15:10.152 --> 00:15:13.055
  • SOMETHING THAT REALLY ISTRULY TERRIBLE?
  • 00:15:13.055 --> 00:15:14.223
  • TRULY TERRIBLE?AND THAT IS JUST--
  • 00:15:14.223 --> 00:15:14.790
  • AND THAT IS JUST--AND WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE
  • 00:15:14.790 --> 00:15:15.825
  • AND WE'VE GOT A LOT MORETHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING
  • 00:15:15.825 --> 00:15:18.094
  • THAT'S BEEN HAPPENINGSINCE COVID.
  • 00:15:18.094 --> 00:15:18.561
  • SINCE COVID.HERE'S THE INTERESTING
  • 00:15:18.561 --> 00:15:20.629
  • HERE'S THE INTERESTINGTHING ABOUT DISASTER,
  • 00:15:20.629 --> 00:15:21.430
  • THING ABOUT DISASTER,AND THAT IS, WHEN SOMETHING
  • 00:15:21.430 --> 00:15:25.735
  • AND THAT IS, WHEN SOMETHINGLIKE A COVID--
  • 00:15:25.735 --> 00:15:26.268
  • LIKE A COVID--WHEN CATASTROPHE COMES,
  • 00:15:26.268 --> 00:15:27.603
  • WHEN CATASTROPHE COMES,WHAT DOES IT DO?
  • 00:15:27.603 --> 00:15:30.706
  • WHAT DOES IT DO?IT ENABLES US TO SEE
  • 00:15:30.706 --> 00:15:33.109
  • IT ENABLES US TO SEEREALITY MUCH MORE CLEARLY.
  • 00:15:33.109 --> 00:15:34.276
  • REALITY MUCH MORE CLEARLY.NOW, THAT'S ALMOST ALWAYS
  • 00:15:34.276 --> 00:15:35.845
  • NOW, THAT'S ALMOST ALWAYSPAINFUL, BUT IT'S GOOD.
  • 00:15:35.845 --> 00:15:39.682
  • PAINFUL, BUT IT'S GOOD.IT'S A GOOD THING.
  • 00:15:39.682 --> 00:15:40.249
  • IT'S A GOOD THING.THE FOG BEGINS TO LIFT,
  • 00:15:40.249 --> 00:15:43.953
  • THE FOG BEGINS TO LIFT,AND SUDDENLY WE SEE WE'RE
  • 00:15:43.953 --> 00:15:44.553
  • AND SUDDENLY WE SEE WE'RENOT IN CHARGE LIKE WE
  • 00:15:44.553 --> 00:15:46.655
  • NOT IN CHARGE LIKE WETHOUGHT WE WERE.
  • 00:15:46.655 --> 00:15:49.058
  • THOUGHT WE WERE.IN FACT, I DO SO MANY,
  • 00:15:49.058 --> 00:15:50.092
  • IN FACT, I DO SO MANY,YOU KNOW, ZOOM INTERVIEWS
  • 00:15:50.092 --> 00:15:51.260
  • YOU KNOW, ZOOM INTERVIEWSAND STUFF AROUND THE WORLD,
  • 00:15:51.260 --> 00:15:52.461
  • AND STUFF AROUND THE WORLD,AND WHAT I'M HEARING
  • 00:15:52.461 --> 00:15:55.297
  • AND WHAT I'M HEARINGEVERYWHERE, ERIC, IS
  • 00:15:55.297 --> 00:15:57.433
  • EVERYWHERE, ERIC, ISCHRISTIANS SAYING,
  • 00:15:57.433 --> 00:15:58.334
  • CHRISTIANS SAYING,"I'M HAVING MORE SPIRITUAL
  • 00:15:58.334 --> 00:15:59.869
  • "I'M HAVING MORE SPIRITUALCONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW
  • 00:15:59.869 --> 00:16:00.970
  • CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOWWITH MY NON-CHRISTIAN
  • 00:16:00.970 --> 00:16:01.537
  • WITH MY NON-CHRISTIANFRIENDS" OR WHATEVER MEANS
  • 00:16:01.537 --> 00:16:03.339
  • FRIENDS" OR WHATEVER MEANSTHEY CAN DO.
  • 00:16:03.339 --> 00:16:04.840
  • THEY CAN DO.AND ONE OF MY AGNOSTIC
  • 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:08.811
  • AND ONE OF MY AGNOSTICFRIENDS CALLED ME REALLY
  • 00:16:08.811 --> 00:16:09.445
  • FRIENDS CALLED ME REALLYRECENTLY, AND SHE GOES,
  • 00:16:09.445 --> 00:16:10.646
  • RECENTLY, AND SHE GOES,"BECKY, I HAVE ALWAYS
  • 00:16:10.646 --> 00:16:12.381
  • "BECKY, I HAVE ALWAYSTHOUGHT THAT I AM-- WE ARE
  • 00:16:12.381 --> 00:16:15.785
  • THOUGHT THAT I AM-- WE ARETHE GOD AND MASTER OF THE
  • 00:16:15.785 --> 00:16:17.319
  • THE GOD AND MASTER OF THEUNIVERSE."
  • 00:16:17.319 --> 00:16:19.688
  • UNIVERSE."BUT SHE SAID,
  • 00:16:19.688 --> 00:16:22.324
  • BUT SHE SAID,"WHEN A SIMPLE MICROSCOPIC
  • 00:16:22.324 --> 00:16:25.161
  • "WHEN A SIMPLE MICROSCOPICORGANISM CAN BRING OUR
  • 00:16:25.161 --> 00:16:27.563
  • ORGANISM CAN BRING OURENTIRE PLANET TO A HALT,
  • 00:16:27.563 --> 00:16:28.631
  • ENTIRE PLANET TO A HALT,IT SHOWS HOW TERRIBLY
  • 00:16:28.631 --> 00:16:31.634
  • IT SHOWS HOW TERRIBLYVULNERABLE WE ARE."
  • 00:16:31.634 --> 00:16:32.234
  • VULNERABLE WE ARE."AND SHE SAID, "YOU KNOW WHAT
  • 00:16:32.234 --> 00:16:32.968
  • AND SHE SAID, "YOU KNOW WHATI'VE SEEN, BECKY?
  • 00:16:32.968 --> 00:16:36.372
  • I'VE SEEN, BECKY?WHAT I'VE SEEN IS, IF I AM
  • 00:16:36.372 --> 00:16:38.574
  • WHAT I'VE SEEN IS, IF I AMGOD, WE'RE IN REAL TROUBLE
  • 00:16:38.574 --> 00:16:40.076
  • GOD, WE'RE IN REAL TROUBLEBECAUSE WHAT KIND OF GOD
  • 00:16:40.076 --> 00:16:41.911
  • BECAUSE WHAT KIND OF GODNEEDS TO TAKE MEDICINE FOR
  • 00:16:41.911 --> 00:16:43.412
  • NEEDS TO TAKE MEDICINE FORANXIETY?"
  • 00:16:43.412 --> 00:16:44.580
  • ANXIETY?"[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:16:44.580 --> 00:16:45.314
  • [LAUGHTER]- ERIC: BECKY, YOU'RE
  • 00:16:45.314 --> 00:16:46.315
  • - ERIC: BECKY, YOU'RETALKING ABOUT CONNECTING
  • 00:16:46.315 --> 00:16:47.450
  • TALKING ABOUT CONNECTINGWITH PEOPLE AND SHARING
  • 00:16:47.450 --> 00:16:50.086
  • WITH PEOPLE AND SHARINGOUR FAITH WITH PEOPLE,
  • 00:16:50.086 --> 00:16:51.053
  • OUR FAITH WITH PEOPLE,AND I ALWAYS SAY THAT,
  • 00:16:51.053 --> 00:16:52.088
  • AND I ALWAYS SAY THAT,YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN A CULTURE
  • 00:16:52.088 --> 00:16:52.922
  • YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN A CULTURETHAT SAYS, LIKE, "DON'T
  • 00:16:52.922 --> 00:16:53.823
  • THAT SAYS, LIKE, "DON'TSHARE YOUR FAITH," OR, YOU
  • 00:16:53.823 --> 00:16:54.523
  • SHARE YOUR FAITH," OR, YOUKNOW, AND I THINK,
  • 00:16:54.523 --> 00:16:55.791
  • KNOW, AND I THINK,"ARE YOU CRAZY?"
  • 00:16:55.791 --> 00:16:56.826
  • "ARE YOU CRAZY?"LIKE, THE GREATEST THING
  • 00:16:56.826 --> 00:16:58.127
  • LIKE, THE GREATEST THINGTHAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME
  • 00:16:58.127 --> 00:17:01.497
  • THAT EVER HAPPENED TO MEWAS THAT I DISCOVERED
  • 00:17:01.497 --> 00:17:02.164
  • WAS THAT I DISCOVEREDJESUS IS REAL, THE BIBLE
  • 00:17:02.164 --> 00:17:02.665
  • JESUS IS REAL, THE BIBLEIS TRUE, GOD LOVES ME,
  • 00:17:02.665 --> 00:17:03.799
  • IS TRUE, GOD LOVES ME,THERE'S A PURPOSE FOR MY
  • 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:04.266
  • THERE'S A PURPOSE FOR MYLIFE.
  • 00:17:04.266 --> 00:17:05.634
  • LIFE.HOW AM I NOT GONNA SHARE
  • 00:17:05.634 --> 00:17:06.368
  • HOW AM I NOT GONNA SHARETHAT WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE
  • 00:17:06.368 --> 00:17:09.105
  • THAT WITH PEOPLE THAT AREHUNGRY?
  • 00:17:09.105 --> 00:17:09.839
  • HUNGRY?SOME OF THEM ARE VERY
  • 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:10.706
  • SOME OF THEM ARE VERYHUNGRY.
  • 00:17:10.706 --> 00:17:11.574
  • HUNGRY.EVERYBODY'S HUNGRY, EVEN
  • 00:17:11.574 --> 00:17:12.708
  • EVERYBODY'S HUNGRY, EVENTHE ONES WHO SAY THEY'RE NOT.
  • 00:17:12.708 --> 00:17:14.176
  • THE ONES WHO SAY THEY'RE NOT.HOW DO I NOT SHARE IT?
  • 00:17:14.176 --> 00:17:16.979
  • HOW DO I NOT SHARE IT?BUT HOW DO WE SHARE?
  • 00:17:16.979 --> 00:17:17.580
  • BUT HOW DO WE SHARE?I THINK MOST PEOPLE HAVE
  • 00:17:17.580 --> 00:17:18.347
  • I THINK MOST PEOPLE HAVETHE QUESTION,
  • 00:17:18.347 --> 00:17:19.215
  • THE QUESTION,"HOW DO WE SHARE?"
  • 00:17:19.215 --> 00:17:19.949
  • "HOW DO WE SHARE?"SO WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING
  • 00:17:19.949 --> 00:17:21.117
  • - BECKY: IT IS SO TRUE.
  • 00:17:23.919 --> 00:17:24.653
  • - BECKY: IT IS SO TRUE.WELL, WHAT IMPACTED ME SO
  • 00:17:24.653 --> 00:17:26.255
  • WELL, WHAT IMPACTED ME SOMUCH WAS GOING TO THE
  • 00:17:26.255 --> 00:17:29.325
  • AND WHAT I SAW IN THE WAY
  • 00:17:31.727 --> 00:17:32.628
  • AND WHAT I SAW IN THE WAYTHAT HE DID IT,
  • 00:17:32.628 --> 00:17:33.529
  • THAT HE DID IT,ONE WAS PRAYER.
  • 00:17:33.529 --> 00:17:35.231
  • ONE WAS PRAYER.WE NEED TO JUST PRAY EVEN
  • 00:17:35.231 --> 00:17:35.831
  • WE NEED TO JUST PRAY EVENIF YOU'RE SPEAKING TO
  • 00:17:35.831 --> 00:17:37.533
  • IF YOU'RE SPEAKING TOSOMEBODY.
  • 00:17:37.533 --> 00:17:38.200
  • SOMEBODY.JUST ZIP OFF A SILENT,
  • 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:39.902
  • JUST ZIP OFF A SILENT,REAL QUICK PRAYER,
  • 00:17:39.902 --> 00:17:41.103
  • REAL QUICK PRAYER,"COME, HOLY SPIRIT, COME NOW,
  • 00:17:41.103 --> 00:17:43.706
  • "COME, HOLY SPIRIT, COME NOW,HELP ME."
  • 00:17:43.706 --> 00:17:44.573
  • HELP ME."JESUS IS A PART OF THAT
  • 00:17:44.573 --> 00:17:46.375
  • JESUS IS A PART OF THATCONVERSATION, AND
  • 00:17:46.375 --> 00:17:46.876
  • CONVERSATION, ANDTHAT CAN CHANGE A LOT,
  • 00:17:46.876 --> 00:17:48.210
  • THAT CAN CHANGE A LOT,JUST YOUR CONSCIOUS
  • 00:17:48.210 --> 00:17:50.513
  • JUST YOUR CONSCIOUSRECOGNITION OF THE
  • 00:17:50.513 --> 00:17:51.213
  • RECOGNITION OF THEPRESENCE OF JESUS WITH YOU.
  • 00:17:51.213 --> 00:17:54.483
  • PRESENCE OF JESUS WITH YOU.THEN, WHAT DID I SEE IN JESUS?
  • 00:17:54.483 --> 00:17:55.851
  • THEN, WHAT DID I SEE IN JESUS?HE HAD COMPASSION.
  • 00:17:55.851 --> 00:17:57.987
  • HE HAD COMPASSION.HE HAD RESPECT.
  • 00:17:57.987 --> 00:18:01.123
  • HE HAD RESPECT.HE REALLY LISTENED.
  • 00:18:01.123 --> 00:18:02.291
  • HE REALLY LISTENED.HE ASKED TREMENDOUS QUESTIONS,
  • 00:18:02.291 --> 00:18:04.226
  • HE ASKED TREMENDOUS QUESTIONS,QUESTIONS THAT ROUSED
  • 00:18:04.226 --> 00:18:06.695
  • QUESTIONS THAT ROUSEDTHEIR CURIOSITY.
  • 00:18:06.695 --> 00:18:07.196
  • THEIR CURIOSITY.HE NEVER TREATED ANYBODY
  • 00:18:07.196 --> 00:18:10.699
  • HE NEVER TREATED ANYBODYLIKE AN EVANGELISTIC PROJECT.
  • 00:18:10.699 --> 00:18:12.635
  • LIKE AN EVANGELISTIC PROJECT.HE WASN'T IN A HURRY TO
  • 00:18:12.635 --> 00:18:15.638
  • HE WASN'T IN A HURRY TOMOVE ON TO THE NEXT CONVERT.
  • 00:18:15.638 --> 00:18:16.539
  • MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CONVERT.HE DIDN'T HAVE FORMULAS.
  • 00:18:16.539 --> 00:18:17.106
  • HE DIDN'T HAVE FORMULAS.HE DIDN'T HAVE THREE SETS
  • 00:18:17.106 --> 00:18:18.607
  • HE DIDN'T HAVE THREE SETSOF QUESTIONS.
  • 00:18:18.607 --> 00:18:19.975
  • OF QUESTIONS.BUT WHEN YOU BEGIN TO LOOK
  • 00:18:19.975 --> 00:18:22.344
  • BUT WHEN YOU BEGIN TO LOOKAT HOW JESUS DID IT,
  • 00:18:22.344 --> 00:18:24.647
  • AT HOW JESUS DID IT,IT REALLY FREED ME.
  • 00:18:24.647 --> 00:18:27.016
  • IT REALLY FREED ME.I WAS HAVING A
  • 00:18:27.016 --> 00:18:28.951
  • I WAS HAVING ACONVERSATION ON A PLANE
  • 00:18:28.951 --> 00:18:30.152
  • CONVERSATION ON A PLANEWITH A WOMAN, AND I WAS
  • 00:18:30.152 --> 00:18:31.854
  • WITH A WOMAN, AND I WASACTUALLY WORKING ON A
  • 00:18:31.854 --> 00:18:32.788
  • ACTUALLY WORKING ON ATALK, AND, OH, SHE WAS
  • 00:18:32.788 --> 00:18:35.157
  • TALK, AND, OH, SHE WASVERY CHATTY.
  • 00:18:35.157 --> 00:18:36.058
  • VERY CHATTY.AND I REALIZED, RIGHT--
  • 00:18:36.058 --> 00:18:36.559
  • AND I REALIZED, RIGHT--OKAY, SHE REALLY WANTS
  • 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:36.959
  • OKAY, SHE REALLY WANTSTO TALK.
  • 00:18:36.959 --> 00:18:37.826
  • TO TALK.SO I PRAYED AND ASKED THE
  • 00:18:37.826 --> 00:18:40.296
  • SO I PRAYED AND ASKED THELORD, "BE A PART OF THIS
  • 00:18:40.296 --> 00:18:42.198
  • LORD, "BE A PART OF THISCONVERSATION."
  • 00:18:42.198 --> 00:18:43.165
  • CONVERSATION."AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS
  • 00:18:43.165 --> 00:18:43.732
  • AND SO ONE OF THE THINGSYOU NEED TO DO WHEN YOU'RE
  • 00:18:43.732 --> 00:18:44.500
  • YOU NEED TO DO WHEN YOU'RETALKING TO SOMEBODY,
  • 00:18:44.500 --> 00:18:45.067
  • TALKING TO SOMEBODY,YOU DON'T LEAP IN
  • 00:18:45.067 --> 00:18:47.770
  • YOU DON'T LEAP INWITH THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:18:47.770 --> 00:18:49.972
  • WITH THE GOSPEL.YOU NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS.
  • 00:18:49.972 --> 00:18:51.373
  • YOU NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS.YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHO
  • 00:18:51.373 --> 00:18:52.474
  • YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHOTHEY ARE.
  • 00:18:52.474 --> 00:18:54.109
  • THEY ARE.YOU NEED TO FIND COMMON
  • 00:18:54.109 --> 00:18:55.511
  • YOU NEED TO FIND COMMONGROUND.
  • 00:18:55.511 --> 00:18:56.212
  • GROUND.AND ONE OF THE THINGS
  • 00:18:56.212 --> 00:18:57.346
  • AND ONE OF THE THINGSTHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT
  • 00:18:57.346 --> 00:18:58.247
  • THAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUTCOMMON GROUND IS, WHEN
  • 00:18:58.247 --> 00:18:59.615
  • COMMON GROUND IS, WHENTHEY REALIZE YOU'RE A
  • 00:18:59.615 --> 00:19:00.216
  • THEY REALIZE YOU'RE ACHRISTIAN, THEY CAN'T PUT
  • 00:19:00.216 --> 00:19:01.150
  • CHRISTIAN, THEY CAN'T PUTYOU IN A BOX BECAUSE
  • 00:19:01.150 --> 00:19:02.952
  • YOU IN A BOX BECAUSEYOU'VE ALREADY CONNECTED.
  • 00:19:02.952 --> 00:19:04.153
  • YOU'VE ALREADY CONNECTED.SO, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT WE
  • 00:19:04.153 --> 00:19:07.957
  • SO, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT WEFOUND WE HAD COMMON GROUND
  • 00:19:07.957 --> 00:19:08.891
  • FOUND WE HAD COMMON GROUNDIS WE BOTH WERE WORLD
  • 00:19:08.891 --> 00:19:10.626
  • IS WE BOTH WERE WORLDTRAVELERS, AND, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:19:10.626 --> 00:19:11.760
  • TRAVELERS, AND, YOU KNOW,WE'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE
  • 00:19:11.760 --> 00:19:12.728
  • WE'VE BEEN ALL OVER THEWORLD MANY TIMES, AND WE
  • 00:19:12.728 --> 00:19:13.662
  • WORLD MANY TIMES, AND WETALKED ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:19:13.662 --> 00:19:15.097
  • TALKED ABOUT THAT.AND THEN SHE BEGAN TALKING
  • 00:19:15.097 --> 00:19:16.932
  • AND THEN SHE BEGAN TALKINGABOUT HER BELIEFS, AND SHE
  • 00:19:16.932 --> 00:19:17.833
  • ABOUT HER BELIEFS, AND SHESAID, "YOU KNOW, BECKY,
  • 00:19:17.833 --> 00:19:19.301
  • SAID, "YOU KNOW, BECKY,I REALLY BELIEVE IN THE
  • 00:19:19.301 --> 00:19:19.835
  • I REALLY BELIEVE IN THEESSENTIAL GOODNESS OF ALL
  • 00:19:19.835 --> 00:19:21.604
  • ESSENTIAL GOODNESS OF ALLPEOPLE."
  • 00:19:21.604 --> 00:19:23.439
  • PEOPLE."NOW, I COULD HAVE SAID,
  • 00:19:23.439 --> 00:19:25.474
  • NOW, I COULD HAVE SAID,"ARE YOU KIDDING?
  • 00:19:25.474 --> 00:19:26.575
  • "ARE YOU KIDDING?HAVE YOU READ HUMAN HISTORY?"
  • 00:19:26.575 --> 00:19:28.244
  • HAVE YOU READ HUMAN HISTORY?"YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S NOT
  • 00:19:28.244 --> 00:19:29.478
  • YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S NOTWHAT YOU DO.
  • 00:19:29.478 --> 00:19:30.746
  • WHAT YOU DO.YOU ASK QUESTIONS.
  • 00:19:30.746 --> 00:19:32.348
  • YOU ASK QUESTIONS.AND I SAID-- BECAUSE,
  • 00:19:32.348 --> 00:19:33.882
  • AND I SAID-- BECAUSE,ACTUALLY, THERE'S TWO
  • 00:19:33.882 --> 00:19:35.618
  • ACTUALLY, THERE'S TWOASPECTS TO HUMAN NATURE
  • 00:19:35.618 --> 00:19:36.652
  • ASPECTS TO HUMAN NATUREBIBLICALLY, THAT WE'RE
  • 00:19:36.652 --> 00:19:37.753
  • BIBLICALLY, THAT WE'RESINNERS, BUT WE'RE ALSO
  • 00:19:37.753 --> 00:19:38.420
  • SINNERS, BUT WE'RE ALSOMADE IN THE IMAGE GOD.
  • 00:19:38.420 --> 00:19:39.722
  • MADE IN THE IMAGE GOD.SO I SAID, "WELL, OKAY, SO
  • 00:19:39.722 --> 00:19:40.189
  • SO I SAID, "WELL, OKAY, SOYOU BELIEVE IN THE
  • 00:19:40.189 --> 00:19:41.056
  • YOU BELIEVE IN THEESSENTIAL GOODNESS OF ALL
  • 00:19:41.056 --> 00:19:43.859
  • ESSENTIAL GOODNESS OF ALLPEOPLE.
  • 00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:44.426
  • PEOPLE.CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT DO
  • 00:19:44.426 --> 00:19:45.094
  • CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT DOYOU THINK ABOUT THE STATE
  • 00:19:45.094 --> 00:19:46.662
  • YOU THINK ABOUT THE STATEOF THE WORLD?"
  • 00:19:46.662 --> 00:19:47.329
  • OF THE WORLD?"SHE SAID, "OH, IT'S A MESS."
  • 00:19:47.329 --> 00:19:49.465
  • SHE SAID, "OH, IT'S A MESS."SHE SAID, "IT'S AN
  • 00:19:49.465 --> 00:19:50.332
  • SHE SAID, "IT'S ANABSOLUTE MESS."
  • 00:19:50.332 --> 00:19:51.767
  • ABSOLUTE MESS."I SAID, "WELL, OKAY,
  • 00:19:51.767 --> 00:19:52.668
  • I SAID, "WELL, OKAY,SO TRY AND HELP ME
  • 00:19:52.668 --> 00:19:55.404
  • SO TRY AND HELP MEUNDERSTAND THIS:
  • 00:19:55.404 --> 00:19:57.506
  • UNDERSTAND THIS:HOW CAN WE BE ONLY GOOD IF
  • 00:19:57.506 --> 00:19:59.108
  • HOW CAN WE BE ONLY GOOD IFTHE WORLD'S A MESS?"
  • 00:19:59.108 --> 00:20:00.442
  • THE WORLD'S A MESS?"SHE SAID, "THAT'S A VERY
  • 00:20:00.442 --> 00:20:01.443
  • SHE SAID, "THAT'S A VERYGOOD QUESTION." SHE SAID,
  • 00:20:01.443 --> 00:20:02.611
  • GOOD QUESTION." SHE SAID,"LET ME THINK ABOUT IT."
  • 00:20:02.611 --> 00:20:03.646
  • "LET ME THINK ABOUT IT."THEN SHE CAME BACK.
  • 00:20:03.646 --> 00:20:05.014
  • THEN SHE CAME BACK.NOW, I HAPPENED TO FIND
  • 00:20:05.014 --> 00:20:07.116
  • NOW, I HAPPENED TO FINDTHIS ANALYSIS QUITE AMERICAN.
  • 00:20:07.116 --> 00:20:08.317
  • THIS ANALYSIS QUITE AMERICAN.I WOULDN'T FIND THIS
  • 00:20:08.317 --> 00:20:10.219
  • I WOULDN'T FIND THISBECAUSE WE'RE SO
  • 00:20:10.219 --> 00:20:11.253
  • BECAUSE WE'RE SOPSYCHOLOGIZED IN AMERICA.
  • 00:20:11.253 --> 00:20:12.821
  • PSYCHOLOGIZED IN AMERICA.BUT SHE GOES, "I THINK
  • 00:20:12.821 --> 00:20:13.322
  • BUT SHE GOES, "I THINKWE'VE GOT TWO PROBLEMS:
  • 00:20:13.322 --> 00:20:14.657
  • WE'VE GOT TWO PROBLEMS:I THINK ONE PROBLEM IS
  • 00:20:14.657 --> 00:20:15.624
  • I THINK ONE PROBLEM ISADDICTION, AND WE NEED
  • 00:20:15.624 --> 00:20:19.194
  • ADDICTION, AND WE NEEDRECOVERY.
  • 00:20:19.194 --> 00:20:20.296
  • RECOVERY.THE OTHER PROBLEM IS WE'RE
  • 00:20:20.296 --> 00:20:21.196
  • THE OTHER PROBLEM IS WE'REPSYCHOLOGICALLY WOUNDED,
  • 00:20:21.196 --> 00:20:22.398
  • PSYCHOLOGICALLY WOUNDED,AND WE NEED THERAPY.
  • 00:20:22.398 --> 00:20:25.200
  • AND WE NEED THERAPY.DON'T YOU AGREE?"
  • 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:25.768
  • DON'T YOU AGREE?"NOW, WE NEED TO AGREE
  • 00:20:25.768 --> 00:20:27.536
  • NOW, WE NEED TO AGREEWHERE WE CAN.
  • 00:20:27.536 --> 00:20:29.371
  • WHERE WE CAN.AND I SAID TO HER, "YES,
  • 00:20:29.371 --> 00:20:32.641
  • AND I SAID TO HER, "YES,I THINK THOSE ARE REAL
  • 00:20:32.641 --> 00:20:33.909
  • I THINK THOSE ARE REALPROBLEMS, AND I AGREE
  • 00:20:33.909 --> 00:20:34.643
  • PROBLEMS, AND I AGREETHERE HAVE BEEN SOME REAL
  • 00:20:34.643 --> 00:20:36.478
  • THERE HAVE BEEN SOME REALSOLUTIONS, OR THESE
  • 00:20:36.478 --> 00:20:38.314
  • SOLUTIONS, OR THESESOLUTIONS HAVE HELPED,
  • 00:20:38.314 --> 00:20:40.115
  • SOLUTIONS HAVE HELPED,BUT I'M JUST WONDERIN',
  • 00:20:40.115 --> 00:20:43.218
  • BUT I'M JUST WONDERIN',WHAT IF YOU LIVE IN RECOVERY
  • 00:20:43.218 --> 00:20:46.522
  • WHAT IF YOU LIVE IN RECOVERYFROM YOUR ADDICTION,
  • 00:20:46.522 --> 00:20:47.790
  • FROM YOUR ADDICTION,AND THEN YOU FIND YOUR PROBLEM
  • 00:20:47.790 --> 00:20:50.659
  • AND THEN YOU FIND YOUR PROBLEMIS DEEPER STILL?
  • 00:20:50.659 --> 00:20:51.827
  • IS DEEPER STILL?WHAT IF THE ULTIMATE
  • 00:20:51.827 --> 00:20:52.995
  • WHAT IF THE ULTIMATEPROBLEM IS WE'RE ADDICTED
  • 00:20:52.995 --> 00:20:55.564
  • PROBLEM IS WE'RE ADDICTEDTO OURSELVES?
  • 00:20:55.564 --> 00:20:56.432
  • TO OURSELVES?WHAT IF WE HAVE A HEART
  • 00:20:56.432 --> 00:20:58.334
  • WHAT IF WE HAVE A HEARTPROBLEM?"
  • 00:20:58.334 --> 00:20:59.335
  • PROBLEM?"NOW, WHAT AM I SAYING HERE?
  • 00:20:59.335 --> 00:21:02.538
  • NOW, WHAT AM I SAYING HERE?WELL, I'M USING HER LANGUAGE.
  • 00:21:02.538 --> 00:21:03.706
  • WELL, I'M USING HER LANGUAGE.I'M ARGUING ON HER TURF,
  • 00:21:03.706 --> 00:21:05.274
  • I'M ARGUING ON HER TURF,BUT NOW I'M BRINGING IN
  • 00:21:05.274 --> 00:21:06.875
  • BUT NOW I'M BRINGING INTHE ISSUE OF SIN.
  • 00:21:06.875 --> 00:21:07.576
  • THE ISSUE OF SIN.I JUST HAVEN'T CALLED IT
  • 00:21:07.576 --> 00:21:08.610
  • I JUST HAVEN'T CALLED ITSIN YET.
  • 00:21:08.610 --> 00:21:09.311
  • SIN YET.AND SHE GOES, "WELL, I
  • 00:21:09.311 --> 00:21:13.315
  • AND SHE GOES, "WELL, ITHINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
  • 00:21:13.315 --> 00:21:14.550
  • THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.I'M ADDICTED TO MYSELF,
  • 00:21:14.550 --> 00:21:17.252
  • I'M ADDICTED TO MYSELF,AND IT'S EXHAUSTING.
  • 00:21:17.252 --> 00:21:19.254
  • AND IT'S EXHAUSTING.BUT, BECKY, I THINK WE
  • 00:21:19.254 --> 00:21:20.189
  • BUT, BECKY, I THINK WEHAVE A HEART PROBLEM.
  • 00:21:20.189 --> 00:21:21.090
  • HAVE A HEART PROBLEM.WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE WE
  • 00:21:21.090 --> 00:21:22.858
  • WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE WEGONNA GO FOR REHAB WITH A
  • 00:21:22.858 --> 00:21:23.459
  • GONNA GO FOR REHAB WITH AHEART?
  • 00:21:23.459 --> 00:21:24.360
  • HEART?WHO HAS THAT KIND OF POWER?"
  • 00:21:24.360 --> 00:21:26.195
  • WHO HAS THAT KIND OF POWER?"I SAID, "WELL, I CAN'T
  • 00:21:26.195 --> 00:21:27.796
  • I SAID, "WELL, I CAN'TTHINK--"
  • 00:21:27.796 --> 00:21:28.397
  • THINK--"- ERIC: HOW THEN SHALL WE
  • 00:21:28.397 --> 00:21:30.499
  • - ERIC: HOW THEN SHALL WEBE SAVED, BECKY?
  • 00:21:30.499 --> 00:21:31.100
  • BE SAVED, BECKY?WILL YOU TELL ME?
  • 00:21:31.100 --> 00:21:32.101
  • WILL YOU TELL ME?THAT'S ACTUALLY AMAZING.
  • 00:21:32.101 --> 00:21:32.968
  • THAT'S ACTUALLY AMAZING.WHAT A QUESTION SHE ASKED YOU.
  • 00:21:32.968 --> 00:21:34.269
  • WHAT A QUESTION SHE ASKED YOU.IT'S THE ULTIMATE--
  • 00:21:34.269 --> 00:21:35.537
  • IT'S THE ULTIMATE--- BECKY: YOU GO FOR REHAB
  • 00:21:35.537 --> 00:21:36.338
  • - BECKY: YOU GO FOR REHABFOR THE HEART.
  • 00:21:36.338 --> 00:21:37.973
  • FOR THE HEART.THAT'S THE POSTMODERN WAY
  • 00:21:37.973 --> 00:21:38.874
  • THAT'S THE POSTMODERN WAYOF SAYING,
  • 00:21:38.874 --> 00:21:41.110
  • OF SAYING,"HOW COULD WE BE SAVED?"
  • 00:21:41.110 --> 00:21:42.678
  • "HOW COULD WE BE SAVED?"AND I SAID TO HER, "LOOK,
  • 00:21:42.678 --> 00:21:43.245
  • AND I SAID TO HER, "LOOK,I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING
  • 00:21:43.245 --> 00:21:44.313
  • I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHINGBUT GOD, AND I WAS AN
  • 00:21:44.313 --> 00:21:45.647
  • BUT GOD, AND I WAS ANAGNOSTIC, AND IT WAS
  • 00:21:45.647 --> 00:21:47.549
  • AGNOSTIC, AND IT WASREALLY ULTIMATELY I CAME
  • 00:21:47.549 --> 00:21:49.151
  • REALLY ULTIMATELY I CAMETO FAITH IN CHRIST BECAUSE
  • 00:21:49.151 --> 00:21:50.586
  • TO FAITH IN CHRIST BECAUSEOF THAT VERY ISSUE."
  • 00:21:50.586 --> 00:21:51.253
  • OF THAT VERY ISSUE."BUT I SAID, "THAT'S A LONG
  • 00:21:51.253 --> 00:21:53.756
  • BUT I SAID, "THAT'S A LONGSTORY."
  • 00:21:53.756 --> 00:21:54.356
  • STORY."NOW, I SAID THAT ON PURPOSE
  • 00:21:54.356 --> 00:21:54.990
  • NOW, I SAID THAT ON PURPOSEBECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW
  • 00:21:54.990 --> 00:21:56.191
  • BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOWIF SHE WANTED TO KNOW.
  • 00:21:56.191 --> 00:21:58.127
  • IF SHE WANTED TO KNOW.AND SHE GOES, "NO, I WANNA
  • 00:21:58.127 --> 00:21:59.962
  • AND SHE GOES, "NO, I WANNAHEAR YOUR STORY."
  • 00:21:59.962 --> 00:22:00.829
  • HEAR YOUR STORY."AND THEN WE BEGAN TALKING
  • 00:22:00.829 --> 00:22:02.598
  • AND THEN WE BEGAN TALKINGABOUT THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:22:02.598 --> 00:22:04.833
  • ABOUT THE GOSPEL.SO, PRAY, FIND COMMON
  • 00:22:04.833 --> 00:22:06.101
  • SO, PRAY, FIND COMMONGROUND, ASK QUESTIONS, USE
  • 00:22:06.101 --> 00:22:09.772
  • GROUND, ASK QUESTIONS, USETHEIR LANGUAGE, ARGUE ON
  • 00:22:09.772 --> 00:22:12.274
  • THEIR LANGUAGE, ARGUE ONTHEIR TURF.
  • 00:22:12.274 --> 00:22:14.710
  • THEIR TURF.DON'T USE GOD-TALK INITIALLY.
  • 00:22:14.710 --> 00:22:15.244
  • DON'T USE GOD-TALK INITIALLY.YOU WILL BE SURPRISED AT
  • 00:22:15.244 --> 00:22:16.211
  • YOU WILL BE SURPRISED ATHOW QUICKLY YOU ARE ABLE
  • 00:22:16.211 --> 00:22:18.814
  • HOW QUICKLY YOU ARE ABLEWHEN YOU'RE AUTHENTIC AND
  • 00:22:18.814 --> 00:22:21.283
  • WHEN YOU'RE AUTHENTIC ANDREAL AND LISTENIN'.
  • 00:22:21.283 --> 00:22:22.484
  • REAL AND LISTENIN'.PEOPLE REALLY ARE HUNGRY.
  • 00:22:22.484 --> 00:22:23.585
  • PEOPLE REALLY ARE HUNGRY.AND WHEN WE GOT OFF THE
  • 00:22:23.585 --> 00:22:24.520
  • AND WHEN WE GOT OFF THEPLANE, SHE TURNED TO ME
  • 00:22:24.520 --> 00:22:25.287
  • PLANE, SHE TURNED TO MEAND SAID, "I WANNA ASK YOU
  • 00:22:25.287 --> 00:22:28.323
  • AND SAID, "I WANNA ASK YOUSOMETHIN':
  • 00:22:28.323 --> 00:22:29.158
  • SOMETHIN':WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO
  • 00:22:29.158 --> 00:22:30.492
  • WOULD YOU BE WILLING TOHAVE AN E-MAIL
  • 00:22:30.492 --> 00:22:31.660
  • HAVE AN E-MAILSPIRITUAL CONVERSATION
  • 00:22:31.660 --> 00:22:32.094
  • SPIRITUAL CONVERSATIONWITH ME?"
  • 00:22:32.094 --> 00:22:32.694
  • WITH ME?"I SAID, "I'D LOVE IT."
  • 00:22:32.694 --> 00:22:33.929
  • I SAID, "I'D LOVE IT."AND WE'RE DIALOGUING NOW,
  • 00:22:33.929 --> 00:22:35.364
  • AND WE'RE DIALOGUING NOW,AND I'VE SENT HER
  • 00:22:35.364 --> 00:22:36.698
  • AND I'VE SENT HERACTUALLY-- I SENT HER A
  • 00:22:36.698 --> 00:22:37.699
  • ACTUALLY-- I SENT HER ABOOK I WROTE THAT WAS MORE
  • 00:22:37.699 --> 00:22:39.334
  • BOOK I WROTE THAT WAS MOREOF APOLOGETICS, "HOPE HAS
  • 00:22:39.334 --> 00:22:43.205
  • OF APOLOGETICS, "HOPE HASITS REASONS," AND WE'RE
  • 00:22:43.205 --> 00:22:43.772
  • ITS REASONS," AND WE'RETALKING ABOUT IT NOW.
  • 00:22:43.772 --> 00:22:45.574
  • TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.- ERIC: I LOVE IT.
  • 00:22:45.574 --> 00:22:46.341
  • - ERIC: I LOVE IT.I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT.
  • 00:22:46.341 --> 00:22:47.142
  • I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT.I WANNA REMIND PEOPLE YOU
  • 00:22:47.142 --> 00:22:47.709
  • I WANNA REMIND PEOPLE YOUHAVE A BRAND-NEW BOOK OUT
  • 00:22:47.709 --> 00:22:48.877
  • HAVE A BRAND-NEW BOOK OUTCALLED "STAY SALT: THE
  • 00:22:48.877 --> 00:22:51.647
  • CALLED "STAY SALT: THEWORLD HAS CHANGED:
  • 00:22:51.647 --> 00:22:53.148
  • WORLD HAS CHANGED:OUR MESSAGE **HAS NOT."
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  • OUR MESSAGE **HAS NOT."AND IS THERE A WEBSITE, BECKY,
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  • AND IS THERE A WEBSITE, BECKY,IF PEOPLE WANNA FIND YOU?
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  • IF PEOPLE WANNA FIND YOU?- BECKY: RIGHT.
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  • - BECKY: RIGHT.YOU CAN GO TO MY WEBSITE,
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  • YOU CAN GO TO MY WEBSITE,ALL LOWERCASE,
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  • ALL LOWERCASE,beckypippert.org,
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  • beckypippert.org,AND THEN LOOK AT "RESOURCES,"
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  • AND THEN LOOK AT "RESOURCES,"AND YOU CAN FIND THAT
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  • AND YOU CAN FIND THATBOOK AND OTHER
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  • BOOK AND OTHERBOOKS I'VE DONE.
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  • BOOKS I'VE DONE.- ERIC: "STAY SALT:
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  • - ERIC: "STAY SALT:THE WORLD HAS CHANGED: OUR
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  • THE WORLD HAS CHANGED: OURMESSAGE HAS NOT."
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  • MESSAGE HAS NOT."THANKS FOR TUNING IN, FOLKS.
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  • THANKS FOR TUNING IN, FOLKS.- BECKY: THANKS, ERIC.
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  • - BECKY: THANKS, ERIC.[MUSIC]
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  • ♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪
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  • ♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪
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  • ♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA-- ♪
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