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October 16, 2020
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THIS
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THISPROGRAM IS SPONSORED IN
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  • PROGRAM IS SPONSORED INPART BY CARSHIELD, GIVING
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  • PART BY CARSHIELD, GIVINGTHOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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  • THOUSANDS OF VEHICLEOWNERS PEACE OF MIND.
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  • OWNERS PEACE OF MIND.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][SMOOCH]
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  • [SMOOCH][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING][BING]
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  • [BING][REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING][PLOP]
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  • [PLOP][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]- MALE: HEY.
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  • - MALE: HEY.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][BOINK]
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  • [BOINK][ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING][BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][CRASH]
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  • - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, THIS
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  • - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, THISIS
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  • IS"THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW,"
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  • "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW,"WHERE I GET TO TALK TO
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  • WHERE I GET TO TALK TOPEOPLE THAT I THINK ARE
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  • PEOPLE THAT I THINK AREVERY INTERESTING, AND YOU
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  • VERY INTERESTING, AND YOUGET TO LISTEN IN, AND IF
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  • GET TO LISTEN IN, AND IFYOU'RE FOLLOWING US ON
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  • YOU'RE FOLLOWING US ONYOUTUBE,
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  • YOUTUBE,"THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW"
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  • "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW"CHANNEL.
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  • CHANNEL.SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE
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  • SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS AREON TBN.
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  • ON TBN.IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL HOST
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  • BUT TODAY-- AND THIS IS
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  • BUT TODAY-- AND THIS ISPARTICULARLY CLOSE TO MY
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  • PARTICULARLY CLOSE TO MYHEART-- I GET TO TALK TO A
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  • HEART-- I GET TO TALK TO AFRIEND WHO'S A PASTOR HERE
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  • FRIEND WHO'S A PASTOR HEREIN NEW YORK CITY.
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  • IN NEW YORK CITY.SOME OF YOU KNOW HIM.
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  • SOME OF YOU KNOW HIM.HE'S BEEN ON BEFORE.
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  • HE'S BEEN ON BEFORE.HIS NAME IS JON TYSON.
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  • HIS NAME IS JON TYSON.HE'S THE PASTOR AND CHURCH
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  • HE'S THE PASTOR AND CHURCHPLANTER THAT IS CURRENTLY
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  • PLANTER THAT IS CURRENTLYTHE HEAD OF THE CHURCH OF
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  • THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH OFTHE CITY, HERE IN NEW YORK
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  • THE CITY, HERE IN NEW YORKCITY, ORIGINALLY FROM
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  • CITY, ORIGINALLY FROMADELAIDE, AUSTRALIA, WHICH
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  • ADELAIDE, AUSTRALIA, WHICHIS WHY HE HAS THE NON-NEW
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  • IS WHY HE HAS THE NON-NEWYORK ACCENT.
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  • - JON TYSON: WHAT'S UP,
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  • - JON TYSON: WHAT'S UP,MATE?
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  • MATE?HOW'S IT GOING?
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  • HOW'S IT GOING?THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON
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  • THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ONTHE SHOW.
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  • THE SHOW.- ERIC: SEE, THERE YOU
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  • - ERIC: SEE, THERE YOUGO.
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  • GO."WHAT'S UP, MATE?"
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  • "WHAT'S UP, MATE?"THAT'S NOT NORMAL FOR A
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  • THAT'S NOT NORMAL FOR ANEW YORKER, SO, RIGHT
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  • NEW YORKER, SO, RIGHTAWAY, I KNOW I'M TALKIN'
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  • AWAY, I KNOW I'M TALKIN'FOR SOMEBODY FROM DOWN
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  • FOR SOMEBODY FROM DOWNUNDER.
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  • UNDER.BUT YOU'VE BEEN HERE A
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  • BUT YOU'VE BEEN HERE ALONG TIME.
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  • LONG TIME.YOU'VE BEEN HERE, WHAT,
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  • - JON: NO, I'VE BEEN IN
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  • - JON: NO, I'VE BEEN INTHE U.S. 23 YEARS.
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  • THE U.S. 23 YEARS.I'VE BEEN IN NEW YORK
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  • I'VE BEEN IN NEW YORKCITY, 15-- 15 YEARS IN
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  • CITY, 15-- 15 YEARS INMANHATTAN, WHICH MEANS I'M
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  • MANHATTAN, WHICH MEANS I'MALMOST A NEW YORKER.
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  • ALMOST A NEW YORKER.I'M GETTIN' CLOSE, GETTIN'
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  • - ERIC: YEAH, I THINK
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  • - ERIC: YEAH, I THINKANOTHER WEEK, AND YOU'RE
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  • ANOTHER WEEK, AND YOU'REOFFICIALLY A NEW YORKER.
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  • OFFICIALLY A NEW YORKER.[LAUGHTER]
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  • [LAUGHTER]I WANNA TALK TO YOU
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  • I WANNA TALK TO YOUABOUT-- WELL, FIRST OF
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  • ABOUT-- WELL, FIRST OFALL, YOU'RE A CHURCH
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  • ALL, YOU'RE A CHURCHPLANTER, WHICH IS
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  • PLANTER, WHICH ISDIFFERENT FROM BEING JUST
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  • DIFFERENT FROM BEING JUSTA PASTOR.
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  • A PASTOR.IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'VE
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  • IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'VESTARTED A MOVEMENT OF
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  • STARTED A MOVEMENT OFCHURCHES.
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  • CHURCHES.TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
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  • TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUTTHAT PARTICULARLY WITH
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  • - JON: YEAH, I REMEMBER
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  • - JON: YEAH, I REMEMBERVERY CLEARLY WE'VE JUST
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  • VERY CLEARLY WE'VE JUSTCELEBRATED THE ANNIVERSARY
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  • CELEBRATED THE ANNIVERSARYOF 9/11, AND, YOU KNOW, A
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  • OF 9/11, AND, YOU KNOW, ALOT OF PEOPLE-- I WAS
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  • LOT OF PEOPLE-- I WASACTUALLY DOWN IN TENNESSEE
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  • ACTUALLY DOWN IN TENNESSEEAT THE TIME WHEN 9/11
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  • AT THE TIME WHEN 9/11HAPPENED, AND A LOT OF
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  • HAPPENED, AND A LOT OFFOLKS' ATTENTION SORT OF
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  • FOLKS' ATTENTION SORT OFTURNED TOWARDS NEW YORK,
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  • TURNED TOWARDS NEW YORK,AND SO I CAME UP AFTER
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  • AND SO I CAME UP AFTER9/11, BASICALLY, TO VISIT
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  • 9/11, BASICALLY, TO VISITBROOKLYN TAB AND VISIT
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  • BROOKLYN TAB AND VISITTHEIR PRAYER MEETING, JUST
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  • THEIR PRAYER MEETING, JUSTTO PRAY FOR THE CITY.
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  • TO PRAY FOR THE CITY.AND AS IT HAPPENED, I'VE
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  • AND AS IT HAPPENED, I'VESTAYED IN THE DOUBLETREE
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  • STAYED IN THE DOUBLETREEHOTEL IN TIMES SQUARE AND
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  • HOTEL IN TIMES SQUARE ANDENDED UP STAYING UP ALL
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  • ENDED UP STAYING UP ALLNIGHT, WALKING AROUND THE
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  • NIGHT, WALKING AROUND THEHELL'S KITCHEN
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  • HELL'S KITCHENNEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS
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  • NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH ISWHERE I'VE LIVED FOR THE
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  • WHERE I'VE LIVED FOR THELAST SIX YEARS, AND I
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  • LAST SIX YEARS, AND IJUST FELL IN LOVE WITH THE
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  • JUST FELL IN LOVE WITH THEPLACE.
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  • PLACE.AND I REMEMBER JUST
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  • AND I REMEMBER JUSTTHINKING, "DEAR GOD, IS
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  • THINKING, "DEAR GOD, ISTHERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN
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  • THERE A WAY THAT YOU CANPUT ME IN NEW YORK TO
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  • PUT ME IN NEW YORK TOSERVE YOU HERE?"
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  • SERVE YOU HERE?"I LOVED IT.
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  • ENERGY, PACE, DIVERSITY,
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  • ENERGY, PACE, DIVERSITY,PEOPLE.
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  • PEOPLE.AND SO, WHEN I GOT A
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  • AND SO, WHEN I GOT ALITTLE BIT OLDER-- I WAS
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  • LITTLE BIT OLDER-- I WASJUST A YOUTH PASTOR THEN--
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  • JUST A YOUTH PASTOR THEN--AND I STARTED THINKING
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  • AND I STARTED THINKINGABOUT WHAT THE NEXT
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  • ABOUT WHAT THE NEXTSEASON WAS.
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  • SEASON WAS.NEW YORK HAD BEEN IN MY
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  • NEW YORK HAD BEEN IN MYHEART THE WHOLE TIME, AND
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  • HEART THE WHOLE TIME, ANDAS A PROTESTANT,
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  • AS A PROTESTANT,I REMEMBER THINKING,
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  • I REMEMBER THINKING,"WHOSE PERMISSION DO YOU NEED
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  • "WHOSE PERMISSION DO YOU NEEDIF YOU DON'T HAVE A POPE TO
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  • IF YOU DON'T HAVE A POPE TOGO AND START A CHURCH?"
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  • GO AND START A CHURCH?"AND I REALIZED YOU DIDN'T
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  • AND I REALIZED YOU DIDN'TNEED A WHOLE LOT OF
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  • NEED A WHOLE LOT OFPERMISSION.
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  • PERMISSION.WHAT YOU NEEDED WAS
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  • AND SO, YEAH, 2005, A
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  • AND SO, YEAH, 2005, AGROUP OF FRIENDS SOLD
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  • GROUP OF FRIENDS SOLDTHEIR HOMES, DID THE BOOK
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  • THEIR HOMES, DID THE BOOKOF ACTS, ACTS CHAPTER 2,
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  • OF ACTS, ACTS CHAPTER 2,SHARED THEIR RESOURCES,
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  • SHARED THEIR RESOURCES,STARTED A BIBLE STUDY, AND
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  • STARTED A BIBLE STUDY, ANDTHAT GREW INTO WHAT WE'VE
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  • THAT GREW INTO WHAT WE'VEDONE THE LAST 15 YEARS
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  • DONE THE LAST 15 YEARSHERE, SO IT'S BEEN A TOTAL
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  • HERE, SO IT'S BEEN A TOTALJOY.
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  • - ERIC: IF PEOPLE WANNA
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  • - ERIC: IF PEOPLE WANNAFIND YOU ON THE INTERNET,
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  • FIND YOU ON THE INTERNET,AND YOUR CHURCH MOVEMENT,
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  • AND YOUR CHURCH MOVEMENT,WHERE DO THEY GO?
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  • WHERE DO THEY GO?- JON: IT'S A GREAT URL.
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  • - JON: IT'S A GREAT URL.IT'S CHURCH.NYC.
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  • IT'S CHURCH.NYC.- ERIC: HOW IS THAT
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  • - ERIC: HOW IS THATPOSSIBLE?
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  • POSSIBLE?CHURCH.NYC?
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  • CHURCH.NYC?THAT'S IT?
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  • THAT'S IT?- JON: THAT'S IT.
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  • - JON: THAT'S IT.- ERIC: THAT'S
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  • - ERIC: THAT'SUNBELIEVABLE.
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  • UNBELIEVABLE.WHO DID YOU HAVE TO PAY?
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  • WHO DID YOU HAVE TO PAY?DID YOU GO TO AL GORE AND,
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  • DID YOU GO TO AL GORE AND,LIKE, SLIP HIM A CRISP
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  • LIKE, SLIP HIM A CRISPC-NOTE WHEN HE INVENTED
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  • C-NOTE WHEN HE INVENTEDTHE INTERNET, AND YOU
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  • THE INTERNET, AND YOUSAID, "SIR, CAN I HAVE
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  • SAID, "SIR, CAN I HAVECHURCH.NYC?"
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  • - JON: THAT'S PRETTY
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  • - JON: THAT'S PRETTYCLOSE TO HOW IT HAPPENED.
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  • CLOSE TO HOW IT HAPPENED.- ERIC: THAT'S
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  • - ERIC: THAT'SUNBELIEVABLE.
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  • THE REASON I HAVE YOU ON
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  • THE REASON I HAVE YOU ONTODAY IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE
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  • TODAY IS BECAUSE YOU HAVEWRITTEN ANOTHER BOOK.
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  • WRITTEN ANOTHER BOOK.THE TITLE OF THIS BOOK--
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  • THE TITLE OF THIS BOOK--I LOVE THIS TITLE,
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  • I LOVE THIS TITLE,"BEAUTIFUL RESISTANCE: THE
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  • "BEAUTIFUL RESISTANCE: THEJOY OF CONVICTION IN A
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  • JOY OF CONVICTION IN ACULTURE OF COMPROMISE."
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  • CULTURE OF COMPROMISE."IT'S A FUNNY THING TO
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  • IT'S A FUNNY THING TOTHINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU
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  • THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOUWERE HERE, WAY BACK WHEN,
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  • WERE HERE, WAY BACK WHEN,SAYING, "OH, LORD, WOULD
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  • SAYING, "OH, LORD, WOULDIT BE POSSIBLE FOR ME
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  • IT BE POSSIBLE FOR METO--" WE'RE ALL LIKE THAT,
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  • TO--" WE'RE ALL LIKE THAT,RIGHT?
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  • RIGHT?WE THINK, "OH, LORD, WOULD
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  • WE THINK, "OH, LORD, WOULDIT BE POSSIBLE FOR ME TO
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  • IT BE POSSIBLE FOR ME TOSERVE YOU HERE?"
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  • SERVE YOU HERE?"MEANWHILE, THE LORD IS
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  • MEANWHILE, THE LORD ISSAYING, "HEY, WHAT DO YOU
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  • SAYING, "HEY, WHAT DO YOUTHINK I MADE YOU FOR?
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  • THINK I MADE YOU FOR?I NEED YOU IN NEW YORK,
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  • I NEED YOU IN NEW YORK,AND IF YOU OBEY ME, I WILL
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  • AND IF YOU OBEY ME, I WILLUSE YOU THERE."
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  • USE YOU THERE."AND HE HAS USED YOU
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  • AND HE HAS USED YOUHERE FOR A LONG TIME,
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  • HERE FOR A LONG TIME,AND I JUST WANNA BE
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  • AND I JUST WANNA BECLEAR THAT I'M A FAN
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  • CLEAR THAT I'M A FANOF YOURS AND WHAT GOD
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  • OF YOURS AND WHAT GODHAS BEEN DOING THROUGH YOU.
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  • HAS BEEN DOING THROUGH YOU.SO WHAT IS THIS BOOK, THE
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  • SO WHAT IS THIS BOOK, THENEW BOOK,
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  • NEW BOOK,"BEAUTIFUL RESISTANCE:
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  • "BEAUTIFUL RESISTANCE:THE JOY OF CONVICTION IN
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  • THE JOY OF CONVICTION INA CULTURE OF COMPROMISE"?
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  • A CULTURE OF COMPROMISE"?TALK ABOUT THAT.
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  • TALK ABOUT THAT.- JON: YEAH, WELL,
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  • - JON: YEAH, WELL,YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN THE
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  • YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN THEBACK OF THIS BOOK.
  • 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:02.614
  • BACK OF THIS BOOK.IT OPENS AND CLOSES WITH A
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  • IT OPENS AND CLOSES WITH ASCENE FROM BONHOEFFER'S
  • 00:05:04.082 --> 00:05:06.084
  • SCENE FROM BONHOEFFER'SLIFE.
  • 00:05:06.084 --> 00:05:06.651
  • LIFE.I START WITH BONHOEFFER,
  • 00:05:06.651 --> 00:05:07.753
  • I START WITH BONHOEFFER,WHEN HE'S RUNNING
  • 00:05:07.753 --> 00:05:09.721
  • WHEN HE'S RUNNINGFINKENWALDE AND BUILDING A
  • 00:05:09.721 --> 00:05:11.189
  • FINKENWALDE AND BUILDING AMOVEMENT OF RESISTANCE,
  • 00:05:11.189 --> 00:05:12.157
  • MOVEMENT OF RESISTANCE,AND AT THE END OF IT, WITH
  • 00:05:12.157 --> 00:05:13.892
  • AND AT THE END OF IT, WITHBONHOEFFER IN NEW YORK,
  • 00:05:13.892 --> 00:05:15.627
  • BONHOEFFER IN NEW YORK,AND SO THE BOOK'S SORT OF
  • 00:05:15.627 --> 00:05:17.796
  • AND SO THE BOOK'S SORT OFFRAMED BY HOW DO WE BUILD
  • 00:05:17.796 --> 00:05:19.331
  • FRAMED BY HOW DO WE BUILDA COUNTERCULTURE OF
  • 00:05:19.331 --> 00:05:20.966
  • A COUNTERCULTURE OFDISCIPLESHIP WHEN IT SEEMS
  • 00:05:20.966 --> 00:05:22.567
  • DISCIPLESHIP WHEN IT SEEMSLIKE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH
  • 00:05:22.567 --> 00:05:23.135
  • LIKE THERE'S JUST SO MUCHCOMPROMISE?
  • 00:05:23.135 --> 00:05:24.302
  • COMPROMISE?AND I WANTED TO PICK THE
  • 00:05:24.302 --> 00:05:26.505
  • AND I WANTED TO PICK THESPECIFIC PRACTICES OF
  • 00:05:26.505 --> 00:05:27.739
  • SPECIFIC PRACTICES OFSPIRITUAL RESISTANCE THAT
  • 00:05:27.739 --> 00:05:29.608
  • SPIRITUAL RESISTANCE THATARE OFTEN NEGLECTED BUT
  • 00:05:29.608 --> 00:05:30.976
  • ARE OFTEN NEGLECTED BUTARE VERY POTENT IN OUR
  • 00:05:30.976 --> 00:05:34.212
  • SO IT'S NOT A DEVOTIONAL
  • 00:05:35.347 --> 00:05:35.947
  • SO IT'S NOT A DEVOTIONALBOOK.
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  • BOOK.IT'S NOT, SORT OF, A
  • 00:05:37.983 --> 00:05:38.450
  • IT'S NOT, SORT OF, APASTORAL BOOK.
  • 00:05:38.450 --> 00:05:39.184
  • PASTORAL BOOK.IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A--
  • 00:05:39.184 --> 00:05:40.385
  • IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A--IT'S A CODE OF
  • 00:05:40.385 --> 00:05:42.187
  • AND SO I ADDRESS THINGS
  • 00:05:43.221 --> 00:05:44.089
  • AND SO I ADDRESS THINGSLIKE, WORSHIP MUST
  • 00:05:44.089 --> 00:05:48.393
  • LIKE, WORSHIP MUSTRESIST IDOLATRY.
  • 00:05:48.393 --> 00:05:49.828
  • RESIST IDOLATRY.HUNGER MUST RESIST APATHY.
  • 00:05:49.828 --> 00:05:50.796
  • HUNGER MUST RESIST APATHY.THAT'S THE CHAPTER ON
  • 00:05:50.796 --> 00:05:51.763
  • THAT'S THE CHAPTER ONFASTING.
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  • FASTING.I TALK ABOUT THE
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  • I TALK ABOUT THEIMPORTANCE OF HOSPITALITY
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  • IMPORTANCE OF HOSPITALITYIN A CULTURE OF FEAR, SO
  • 00:05:54.900 --> 00:05:56.234
  • IN A CULTURE OF FEAR, SOIT'S DESIGNED TO MAKE THE
  • 00:05:56.234 --> 00:05:57.335
  • IT'S DESIGNED TO MAKE THECHURCH PROVOCATIVE SALT
  • 00:05:57.335 --> 00:05:58.270
  • CHURCH PROVOCATIVE SALTAND LIGHT.
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  • AND LIGHT.JESUS SAID IN THE GOSPELS,
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  • JESUS SAID IN THE GOSPELS,"IF THE SALT LOSES ITS
  • 00:06:00.539 --> 00:06:02.107
  • "IF THE SALT LOSES ITSSALTINESS, IT'S GOOD FOR
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  • SALTINESS, IT'S GOOD FORNOTHING BUT TO BE THROWN
  • 00:06:03.542 --> 00:06:05.210
  • NOTHING BUT TO BE THROWNOUT AND TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT."
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  • OUT AND TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT."AND SO IT'S SORT OF
  • 00:06:05.677 --> 00:06:07.446
  • AND SO IT'S SORT OFA CALL TO BE THAT
  • 00:06:07.446 --> 00:06:08.780
  • A CALL TO BE THATPROVOCATIVE SERMON ON THE
  • 00:06:08.780 --> 00:06:10.048
  • PROVOCATIVE SERMON ON THEMOUNT COMMUNITY, AND A LOT
  • 00:06:10.048 --> 00:06:11.316
  • MOUNT COMMUNITY, AND A LOTOF IT IS JUST BASICALLY
  • 00:06:11.316 --> 00:06:12.751
  • OF IT IS JUST BASICALLYSTORIES AND THINGS I'VE
  • 00:06:12.751 --> 00:06:13.251
  • STORIES AND THINGS I'VELEARNED PASTORING IN A
  • 00:06:13.251 --> 00:06:15.053
  • LEARNED PASTORING IN APRETTY SECULAR PLACE LIKE
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  • PRETTY SECULAR PLACE LIKENEW YORK CITY.
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  • NEW YORK CITY.- ERIC: WELL, EXACTLY.
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  • - ERIC: WELL, EXACTLY.YOU CAN'T FAKE IT HERE AS
  • 00:06:20.392 --> 00:06:21.226
  • YOU CAN'T FAKE IT HERE ASEASILY AS YOU CAN,
  • 00:06:21.226 --> 00:06:22.561
  • EASILY AS YOU CAN,YOU KNOW, IN PLACES LIKE
  • 00:06:22.561 --> 00:06:23.562
  • YOU KNOW, IN PLACES LIKEDALLAS, OR WHEREVER,
  • 00:06:23.562 --> 00:06:24.262
  • DALLAS, OR WHEREVER,WHERE IT'S A CULTURE OF
  • 00:06:24.262 --> 00:06:25.063
  • WHERE IT'S A CULTURE OFCHRISTIANITY.
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  • CHRISTIANITY.HERE, IT'S A CULTURE OF
  • 00:06:26.498 --> 00:06:27.365
  • HERE, IT'S A CULTURE OFSECULARISM, AND MANY
  • 00:06:27.365 --> 00:06:28.700
  • SECULARISM, AND MANYPEOPLE ARE OPENLY
  • 00:06:28.700 --> 00:06:29.334
  • PEOPLE ARE OPENLYANTI-CHRISTIAN, AND SO
  • 00:06:29.334 --> 00:06:30.869
  • ANTI-CHRISTIAN, AND SOYOU'RE FORCED TO REALLY
  • 00:06:30.869 --> 00:06:35.073
  • YOU'RE FORCED TO REALLYCOUNT THE COST.
  • 00:06:35.073 --> 00:06:35.607
  • COUNT THE COST.AND YOU JUST MENTIONED A
  • 00:06:35.607 --> 00:06:38.109
  • BUT I THINK YOU PRONOUNCED
  • 00:06:40.245 --> 00:06:43.515
  • BUT I THINK YOU PRONOUNCEDIT "FAHSTING"?
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  • IT "FAHSTING"?- JON: YEAH, "FAHSTING"
  • 00:06:44.182 --> 00:06:45.083
  • - JON: YEAH, "FAHSTING"IS EXTRA-SPIRITUAL, WHICH
  • 00:06:45.083 --> 00:06:46.351
  • IS EXTRA-SPIRITUAL, WHICHMEANS, WHEN YOU DO IT, IT
  • 00:06:46.351 --> 00:06:47.552
  • MEANS, WHEN YOU DO IT, ITCOMES WITH GREATER REWARDS
  • 00:06:47.552 --> 00:06:50.088
  • COMES WITH GREATER REWARDSIN HEAVEN.
  • 00:06:50.088 --> 00:06:51.556
  • IN HEAVEN.SO YOU CAN "FAST," IF YOU
  • 00:06:51.556 --> 00:06:53.425
  • SO YOU CAN "FAST," IF YOUWANT, OR YOU CAN "FAHST,"
  • 00:06:53.425 --> 00:06:54.593
  • WANT, OR YOU CAN "FAHST,"AND THAT'S WHAT I'M
  • 00:06:54.593 --> 00:06:55.660
  • AND THAT'S WHAT I'MPUSHING IN THIS BOOK.
  • 00:06:55.660 --> 00:06:56.161
  • PUSHING IN THIS BOOK.- ERIC: "FAHST."
  • 00:06:56.161 --> 00:06:56.995
  • - ERIC: "FAHST."- JON: "FAHSTING."
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  • - JON: "FAHSTING."- ERIC: I HAVE HAD A
  • 00:06:58.663 --> 00:06:59.631
  • - ERIC: I HAVE HAD ASPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE OF
  • 00:06:59.631 --> 00:07:00.632
  • SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE OFFASTING BETWEEN MEALS FOR
  • 00:07:00.632 --> 00:07:02.100
  • FASTING BETWEEN MEALS FORDECADES NOW, AND IT
  • 00:07:02.100 --> 00:07:03.034
  • DECADES NOW, AND ITDOESN'T SEEM TO BE VERY
  • 00:07:03.034 --> 00:07:03.869
  • DOESN'T SEEM TO BE VERYEFFECTIVE, BUT I DO IT
  • 00:07:03.869 --> 00:07:06.338
  • YOU KNOW, WITHOUT-- IT'S
  • 00:07:07.672 --> 00:07:08.707
  • YOU KNOW, WITHOUT-- IT'SBECOME A HABIT.
  • 00:07:08.707 --> 00:07:09.875
  • BECOME A HABIT.BETWEEN MEALS, I TYPICALLY--
  • 00:07:09.875 --> 00:07:11.576
  • BETWEEN MEALS, I TYPICALLY--I'M IN A FASTING MODE.
  • 00:07:11.576 --> 00:07:15.280
  • I'M IN A FASTING MODE.YOU PRESENT WHAT SOME
  • 00:07:15.280 --> 00:07:16.715
  • YOU PRESENT WHAT SOMEPEOPLE THINK OF AS
  • 00:07:16.715 --> 00:07:17.349
  • PEOPLE THINK OF AS"RADICAL CHRISTIANITY,"
  • 00:07:17.349 --> 00:07:19.684
  • "RADICAL CHRISTIANITY,"AS CHRISTIANITY.
  • 00:07:19.684 --> 00:07:21.486
  • AS CHRISTIANITY.THESE ARE THE BASICS.
  • 00:07:21.486 --> 00:07:22.854
  • THESE ARE THE BASICS.THIS IS NOT EXTRA CREDIT.
  • 00:07:22.854 --> 00:07:24.689
  • THIS IS NOT EXTRA CREDIT.THIS IS THE BASIC WAY OF
  • 00:07:24.689 --> 00:07:26.925
  • THIS IS THE BASIC WAY OFFOLLOWING JESUS, AND MANY
  • 00:07:26.925 --> 00:07:28.393
  • FOLLOWING JESUS, AND MANYPEOPLE IN AMERICA HAVE
  • 00:07:28.393 --> 00:07:31.096
  • PEOPLE IN AMERICA HAVEBEEN LULLED INTO A STATE
  • 00:07:31.096 --> 00:07:31.663
  • BEEN LULLED INTO A STATETHAT THEY THINK THAT THEY
  • 00:07:31.663 --> 00:07:34.566
  • THAT THEY THINK THAT THEYREALLY DON'T NEED TO TAKE
  • 00:07:34.566 --> 00:07:35.767
  • REALLY DON'T NEED TO TAKEIT VERY SERIOUSLY,
  • 00:07:35.767 --> 00:07:37.369
  • IT VERY SERIOUSLY,AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT
  • 00:07:37.369 --> 00:07:39.170
  • AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOTDOING ANYTHING HORRIFIC,
  • 00:07:39.170 --> 00:07:41.106
  • DOING ANYTHING HORRIFIC,THAT IT'S GOOD ENOUGH;
  • 00:07:41.106 --> 00:07:41.673
  • THAT IT'S GOOD ENOUGH;THEY'RE COVERED BY GRACE.
  • 00:07:41.673 --> 00:07:42.908
  • THEY'RE COVERED BY GRACE.BONHOEFFER, OF COURSE,
  • 00:07:42.908 --> 00:07:43.475
  • BONHOEFFER, OF COURSE,TALKS ABOUT "CHEAP GRACE,"
  • 00:07:43.475 --> 00:07:44.276
  • TALKS ABOUT "CHEAP GRACE,"AND HE SAYS, NO, THAT'S
  • 00:07:44.276 --> 00:07:45.310
  • AND HE SAYS, NO, THAT'SQUITE THE CONTRARY; THAT'S
  • 00:07:45.310 --> 00:07:47.245
  • QUITE THE CONTRARY; THAT'STAKING THE INFINITELY
  • 00:07:47.245 --> 00:07:48.580
  • TAKING THE INFINITELYEXPENSIVE SACRIFICE OF
  • 00:07:48.580 --> 00:07:50.782
  • EXPENSIVE SACRIFICE OFJESUS ON THE CROSS FOR
  • 00:07:50.782 --> 00:07:51.516
  • JESUS ON THE CROSS FORGRANTED.
  • 00:07:51.516 --> 00:07:52.551
  • GRANTED.NOTHING COULD BE MORE
  • 00:07:52.551 --> 00:07:53.585
  • SO YOU REALLY ARE TALKING
  • 00:07:54.886 --> 00:07:57.422
  • SO YOU REALLY ARE TALKINGABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO
  • 00:07:57.422 --> 00:08:00.725
  • ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DOIF WE REALLY BELIEVE, AND
  • 00:08:00.725 --> 00:08:02.160
  • IF WE REALLY BELIEVE, ANDI GUESS IT CALLS US SHORT,
  • 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:03.562
  • I GUESS IT CALLS US SHORT,YOU KNOW.
  • 00:08:03.562 --> 00:08:04.429
  • YOU KNOW.IT DRAWS US UP SHORT AND
  • 00:08:04.429 --> 00:08:06.731
  • IT DRAWS US UP SHORT ANDSAYS, "DO I REALLY BELIEVE
  • 00:08:06.731 --> 00:08:08.934
  • AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE
  • 00:08:10.135 --> 00:08:10.669
  • AND I THINK THAT PEOPLEWILL BE BLESSED BY THIS,
  • 00:08:10.669 --> 00:08:11.236
  • WILL BE BLESSED BY THIS,BUT INITIALLY, MAYBE THEY
  • 00:08:11.236 --> 00:08:11.770
  • BUT INITIALLY, MAYBE THEYTHINK THAT, "OH, THAT'S
  • 00:08:11.770 --> 00:08:15.206
  • THINK THAT, "OH, THAT'STOO MUCH FOR ME."
  • 00:08:15.206 --> 00:08:15.874
  • TOO MUCH FOR ME."- JON: YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING,
  • 00:08:15.874 --> 00:08:16.508
  • - JON: YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING,WE'RE IN A CULTURE
  • 00:08:16.508 --> 00:08:17.642
  • WE'RE IN A CULTUREOF SUCH LUKEWARMNESS THAT
  • 00:08:17.642 --> 00:08:19.878
  • OF SUCH LUKEWARMNESS THATANYTHING THAT EVEN
  • 00:08:19.878 --> 00:08:21.046
  • ANYTHING THAT EVENRESEMBLES BIBLICAL
  • 00:08:21.046 --> 00:08:22.347
  • RESEMBLES BIBLICALCHRISTIANITY IS DISMISSED
  • 00:08:22.347 --> 00:08:24.983
  • AND IT'S NOT LEGALISM.
  • 00:08:26.818 --> 00:08:28.386
  • AND IT'S NOT LEGALISM.IT'S SIMPLY DISCIPLESHIP.
  • 00:08:28.386 --> 00:08:29.321
  • IT'S SIMPLY DISCIPLESHIP.IT'S VERY HARD IN A
  • 00:08:29.321 --> 00:08:30.755
  • IT'S VERY HARD IN ACULTURE OF
  • 00:08:30.755 --> 00:08:31.756
  • CULTURE OFSELF-FULFILLMENT TO PREACH
  • 00:08:31.756 --> 00:08:33.091
  • SELF-FULFILLMENT TO PREACHA GOSPEL OF SELF-DENIAL
  • 00:08:33.091 --> 00:08:34.659
  • A GOSPEL OF SELF-DENIALAND GAIN A HEARING.
  • 00:08:34.659 --> 00:08:36.061
  • AND GAIN A HEARING.YET THAT'S WHAT JESUS
  • 00:08:36.061 --> 00:08:37.629
  • YET THAT'S WHAT JESUSSAYS, AND HE DOESN'T SAY
  • 00:08:37.629 --> 00:08:38.396
  • SAYS, AND HE DOESN'T SAYIT IN SOME SORT OF MOROSE,
  • 00:08:38.396 --> 00:08:39.764
  • IT IN SOME SORT OF MOROSE,ACIDIC SENSE.
  • 00:08:39.764 --> 00:08:41.166
  • ACIDIC SENSE.HE SAYS THIS IS THE WAY TO
  • 00:08:41.166 --> 00:08:42.601
  • HE SAYS THIS IS THE WAY TOFIND LIFE.
  • 00:08:42.601 --> 00:08:43.969
  • FIND LIFE.LIFE IS FOUND IN POVERTY
  • 00:08:43.969 --> 00:08:46.104
  • LIFE IS FOUND IN POVERTYOF SPIRIT.
  • 00:08:46.104 --> 00:08:47.872
  • OF SPIRIT.THAT'S WHO GETS INTO THE
  • 00:08:47.872 --> 00:08:49.341
  • THAT'S WHO GETS INTO THEKINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
  • 00:08:49.341 --> 00:08:50.775
  • KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.LIFE IS FOUND IN GETTING A
  • 00:08:50.775 --> 00:08:51.309
  • LIFE IS FOUND IN GETTING AVISION OF GOD AND OTHER
  • 00:08:51.309 --> 00:08:51.977
  • WHERE OUR EYES ARE OFF OF
  • 00:08:53.078 --> 00:08:53.411
  • WHERE OUR EYES ARE OFF OFOURSELVES.
  • 00:08:53.411 --> 00:08:55.246
  • OURSELVES.AND SO I THINK IT IS
  • 00:08:55.246 --> 00:08:56.348
  • AND SO I THINK IT ISIMPORTANT THAT THE CHURCH
  • 00:08:56.348 --> 00:08:57.949
  • IMPORTANT THAT THE CHURCHCOME BACK, PARTICULARLY IN
  • 00:08:57.949 --> 00:08:59.651
  • COME BACK, PARTICULARLY INCONTENTIOUS MOMENTS LIKE THIS,
  • 00:08:59.651 --> 00:09:00.819
  • CONTENTIOUS MOMENTS LIKE THIS,TO ITS CORE CALLING OF
  • 00:09:00.819 --> 00:09:02.787
  • TO ITS CORE CALLING OFFIDELITY AND PASSION TO
  • 00:09:02.787 --> 00:09:03.955
  • FIDELITY AND PASSION TOJESUS IN RADICAL
  • 00:09:03.955 --> 00:09:05.156
  • JESUS IN RADICALDISCIPLESHIP.
  • 00:09:05.156 --> 00:09:06.124
  • DISCIPLESHIP.OTHERWISE, WHAT'S THE
  • 00:09:06.124 --> 00:09:07.459
  • OTHERWISE, WHAT'S THEOPTION?
  • 00:09:07.459 --> 00:09:08.426
  • OPTION?WHAT'S THE OPTION?
  • 00:09:08.426 --> 00:09:10.195
  • WHAT'S THE OPTION?I MEAN, THIS IS THE MOMENT
  • 00:09:10.195 --> 00:09:12.197
  • I MEAN, THIS IS THE MOMENTTHE CHURCH NEEDS TO RETURN
  • 00:09:12.197 --> 00:09:12.897
  • THE CHURCH NEEDS TO RETURNTO JESUS WITH ALL OF HER
  • 00:09:12.897 --> 00:09:14.633
  • TO JESUS WITH ALL OF HERMIGHT.
  • 00:09:14.633 --> 00:09:15.166
  • MIGHT.- ERIC: WELL, THE TITLE
  • 00:09:15.166 --> 00:09:15.900
  • - ERIC: WELL, THE TITLEOF THE BOOK IS
  • 00:09:15.900 --> 00:09:16.434
  • OF THE BOOK IS"BEAUTIFUL RESISTANCE,"
  • 00:09:16.434 --> 00:09:17.002
  • "BEAUTIFUL RESISTANCE,"AND I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO
  • 00:09:17.002 --> 00:09:17.969
  • AND I THINK PEOPLE NEED TOUNDERSTAND THAT IT IS
  • 00:09:17.969 --> 00:09:20.238
  • UNDERSTAND THAT IT ISBEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:09:20.238 --> 00:09:20.805
  • BEAUTIFUL.THE SUBTITLE IS "THE JOY
  • 00:09:20.805 --> 00:09:21.373
  • THE SUBTITLE IS "THE JOYOF CONVICTION IN A CULTURE
  • 00:09:21.373 --> 00:09:22.173
  • OF CONVICTION IN A CULTUREOF COMPROMISE."
  • 00:09:22.173 --> 00:09:23.141
  • OF COMPROMISE."THERE IS SOMETHING VERY
  • 00:09:23.141 --> 00:09:24.643
  • THERE IS SOMETHING VERYATTRACTIVE ABOUT THIS.
  • 00:09:24.643 --> 00:09:25.710
  • ATTRACTIVE ABOUT THIS.DON'T BE FOOLED AND THINK
  • 00:09:25.710 --> 00:09:26.511
  • DON'T BE FOOLED AND THINKTHAT, "OH, THIS IS
  • 00:09:26.511 --> 00:09:27.779
  • THIS IS WHAT WE WERE MADE FOR.
  • 00:09:28.913 --> 00:09:29.614
  • THIS IS WHAT WE WERE MADE FOR.WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
  • 00:09:29.614 --> 00:09:30.515
  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.I'M TALKING TO MY FRIEND
  • 00:09:30.515 --> 00:09:31.449
  • I'M TALKING TO MY FRIENDJON TYSON.
  • 00:09:31.449 --> 00:09:32.484
  • JON TYSON.THE BOOK IS
  • 00:09:32.484 --> 00:09:33.118
  • THE BOOK IS"BEAUTIFUL RESISTANCE."
  • 00:09:33.118 --> 00:09:35.353
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:09:38.071 --> 00:09:38.638
  • [MUSIC]- ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,
  • 00:09:38.638 --> 00:09:39.773
  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,WELCOME BACK.
  • 00:09:39.773 --> 00:09:40.340
  • WELCOME BACK.I'M TALKING TO MY FRIEND
  • 00:09:40.340 --> 00:09:41.208
  • I'M TALKING TO MY FRIENDJON TYSON.
  • 00:09:41.208 --> 00:09:41.842
  • JON TYSON.HE IS A PASTOR AND A
  • 00:09:41.842 --> 00:09:42.376
  • HE IS A PASTOR AND ACHURCH PLANTER, RIGHT HERE
  • 00:09:42.376 --> 00:09:44.811
  • CHURCH PLANTER, RIGHT HEREIN NEW YORK CITY.
  • 00:09:44.811 --> 00:09:45.645
  • IN NEW YORK CITY.DON'T LET THE DOWN UNDER
  • 00:09:45.645 --> 00:09:48.715
  • HE HAS BEEN HERE FOR QUITE
  • 00:09:49.816 --> 00:09:50.717
  • HE HAS BEEN HERE FOR QUITESOME TIME, AND HE HAS A
  • 00:09:50.717 --> 00:09:51.818
  • SOME TIME, AND HE HAS ANEW BOOK OUT.
  • 00:09:51.818 --> 00:09:53.053
  • NEW BOOK OUT.I'M REALLY DELIGHTED, JON,
  • 00:09:53.053 --> 00:09:54.354
  • I'M REALLY DELIGHTED, JON,THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN THIS
  • 00:09:54.354 --> 00:09:54.921
  • THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN THISBOOK.
  • 00:09:54.921 --> 00:09:55.522
  • BOOK.THE TITLE IS
  • 00:09:55.522 --> 00:09:56.623
  • THE JOY OF CONVICTION IN A
  • 00:09:57.791 --> 00:10:00.027
  • WE WERE TALKING A MOMENT
  • 00:10:01.228 --> 00:10:02.362
  • WE WERE TALKING A MOMENTAGO ABOUT FASTING.
  • 00:10:02.362 --> 00:10:03.764
  • AGO ABOUT FASTING.THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I
  • 00:10:03.764 --> 00:10:05.465
  • THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IHADN'T DONE FOR A LONG
  • 00:10:05.465 --> 00:10:08.502
  • HADN'T DONE FOR A LONGTIME UNTIL VERY RECENTLY,
  • 00:10:08.502 --> 00:10:10.470
  • TIME UNTIL VERY RECENTLY,AND I REDISCOVERED THE
  • 00:10:10.470 --> 00:10:13.040
  • AND I REDISCOVERED THESECRET JOY BECAUSE I THINK
  • 00:10:13.040 --> 00:10:14.074
  • SECRET JOY BECAUSE I THINKWE THINK OF IT AS
  • 00:10:14.074 --> 00:10:15.275
  • AND PERHAPS INITIALLY, YOU
  • 00:10:16.910 --> 00:10:19.212
  • AND PERHAPS INITIALLY, YOUKNOW, IN THE FIRST 8 OR 15
  • 00:10:19.212 --> 00:10:20.747
  • KNOW, IN THE FIRST 8 OR 15HOURS, IT CAN BE
  • 00:10:20.747 --> 00:10:21.581
  • HOURS, IT CAN BEDIFFICULT, BUT THEN,
  • 00:10:21.581 --> 00:10:24.851
  • DIFFICULT, BUT THEN,SUDDENLY, IT OPENS UP A
  • 00:10:24.851 --> 00:10:26.119
  • SUDDENLY, IT OPENS UP ADOOR THAT WE FORGOT EXISTED.
  • 00:10:26.119 --> 00:10:27.254
  • DOOR THAT WE FORGOT EXISTED.TALK A BIT ABOUT FASTING.
  • 00:10:27.254 --> 00:10:28.422
  • TALK A BIT ABOUT FASTING.- JON: YEAH, I MEAN,
  • 00:10:28.422 --> 00:10:30.590
  • - JON: YEAH, I MEAN,IT'S AMAZING.
  • 00:10:30.590 --> 00:10:31.258
  • IT'S AMAZING.WE LIVE IN A TIME OF
  • 00:10:31.258 --> 00:10:32.359
  • WE LIVE IN A TIME OFHISTORY WHERE EVERYBODY
  • 00:10:32.359 --> 00:10:33.794
  • HISTORY WHERE EVERYBODYBUT THE CHURCH IS TALKING
  • 00:10:33.794 --> 00:10:35.362
  • BUT THE CHURCH IS TALKINGABOUT FASTING.
  • 00:10:35.362 --> 00:10:36.430
  • ABOUT FASTING.SO YOU'VE GOT INTERMITTENT
  • 00:10:36.430 --> 00:10:38.165
  • SO YOU'VE GOT INTERMITTENTFASTING, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE
  • 00:10:38.165 --> 00:10:39.833
  • FASTING, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLEDOING CLEANSES, AND IT'S
  • 00:10:39.833 --> 00:10:41.234
  • DOING CLEANSES, AND IT'SBASICALLY--YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:10:41.234 --> 00:10:42.502
  • BASICALLY--YOU KNOW, THECULTURE UNDERSTANDS THERE
  • 00:10:42.502 --> 00:10:44.604
  • CULTURE UNDERSTANDS THEREIS A VALUE IN PAYING
  • 00:10:44.604 --> 00:10:46.273
  • IS A VALUE IN PAYINGATTENTION TO OUR BODIES.
  • 00:10:46.273 --> 00:10:47.908
  • ATTENTION TO OUR BODIES.THE GOAL OF BIBLICAL
  • 00:10:47.908 --> 00:10:48.875
  • THE GOAL OF BIBLICALFASTING IS TO PAY
  • 00:10:48.875 --> 00:10:50.277
  • AND THE REASON I THINK
  • 00:10:51.445 --> 00:10:52.479
  • AND THE REASON I THINKFASTING IS IMPORTANT RIGHT
  • 00:10:52.479 --> 00:10:53.713
  • FASTING IS IMPORTANT RIGHTNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S
  • 00:10:53.713 --> 00:10:57.951
  • NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'STHAT SCENE IN THE GOSPELS
  • 00:10:57.951 --> 00:10:58.718
  • THAT SCENE IN THE GOSPELSWHERE JESUS' DISCIPLES TRY
  • 00:10:58.718 --> 00:10:59.586
  • WHERE JESUS' DISCIPLES TRYAND CAST THE DEMON OUT OF
  • 00:10:59.586 --> 00:11:00.087
  • AND CAST THE DEMON OUT OFTHE CHILD, AND THEY'RE
  • 00:11:00.087 --> 00:11:01.121
  • AND THEN JESUS CASTS THE
  • 00:11:02.322 --> 00:11:03.523
  • AND THEN JESUS CASTS THEDEMON OUT OF THE BOY, AND
  • 00:11:03.523 --> 00:11:04.858
  • DEMON OUT OF THE BOY, ANDTHE DISCIPLES SAID LATER,
  • 00:11:04.858 --> 00:11:06.393
  • THE DISCIPLES SAID LATER,"WHY COULDN'T WE DO THIS?"
  • 00:11:06.393 --> 00:11:07.427
  • "WHY COULDN'T WE DO THIS?"AND HE SAID, "THIS KIND
  • 00:11:07.427 --> 00:11:08.295
  • AND HE SAID, "THIS KINDONLY COMES OUT THROUGH
  • 00:11:08.295 --> 00:11:09.296
  • SO IT SEEMS THAT GOD HAS
  • 00:11:10.397 --> 00:11:11.231
  • SO IT SEEMS THAT GOD HASARRANGED DISCIPLESHIP AND
  • 00:11:11.231 --> 00:11:15.001
  • ARRANGED DISCIPLESHIP ANDHIS KINGDOM IN SUCH A WAY
  • 00:11:15.001 --> 00:11:16.570
  • HIS KINGDOM IN SUCH A WAYTHAT SOME THINGS WILL NOT
  • 00:11:16.570 --> 00:11:17.504
  • THAT SOME THINGS WILL NOTBE UNLOCKED OR BROKEN
  • 00:11:17.504 --> 00:11:18.705
  • BE UNLOCKED OR BROKENTHROUGH UNLESS PRAYER AND
  • 00:11:18.705 --> 00:11:20.273
  • THROUGH UNLESS PRAYER ANDFASTING ARE CONNECTED AND
  • 00:11:20.273 --> 00:11:22.342
  • AND SO WHAT DID THE
  • 00:11:23.777 --> 00:11:25.011
  • AND SO WHAT DID THETEACHERS OF THE LAW AND
  • 00:11:25.011 --> 00:11:26.146
  • TEACHERS OF THE LAW ANDTHE DISCIPLES DO BEFORE
  • 00:11:26.146 --> 00:11:27.447
  • THE DISCIPLES DO BEFORETHEY COULDN'T-- OR WHILE
  • 00:11:27.447 --> 00:11:28.115
  • THEY COULDN'T-- OR WHILETHEY COULDN'T CAST THE
  • 00:11:28.115 --> 00:11:28.648
  • THEY COULDN'T CAST THEDEMONS OUT?
  • 00:11:28.648 --> 00:11:29.149
  • DEMONS OUT?THEY HAD A THEOLOGICAL
  • 00:11:29.149 --> 00:11:31.017
  • THEY HAD A THEOLOGICALDEBATE ABOUT DEMON
  • 00:11:31.017 --> 00:11:32.385
  • DEBATE ABOUT DEMONPOSSESSION.
  • 00:11:32.385 --> 00:11:33.353
  • POSSESSION.IT SAYS JESUS STUMBLES OFF
  • 00:11:33.353 --> 00:11:34.187
  • IT SAYS JESUS STUMBLES OFFTO THE MOUNT OF
  • 00:11:34.187 --> 00:11:35.789
  • TO THE MOUNT OFTRANSFIGURATION.
  • 00:11:35.789 --> 00:11:36.356
  • TRANSFIGURATION.HE COMES DOWN, AND THEY'RE
  • 00:11:36.356 --> 00:11:37.624
  • HE COMES DOWN, AND THEY'REALL ARGUING ABOUT THE LAW,
  • 00:11:37.624 --> 00:11:38.859
  • ALL ARGUING ABOUT THE LAW,AND THEN JESUS COMES ALONG
  • 00:11:38.859 --> 00:11:40.093
  • AND SO, RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE
  • 00:11:41.428 --> 00:11:42.496
  • AND SO, RIGHT NOW, WHAT WENEED IS NOT PEOPLE JUST
  • 00:11:42.496 --> 00:11:44.297
  • NEED IS NOT PEOPLE JUSTWITH THEOLOGY OR OPINIONS.
  • 00:11:44.297 --> 00:11:45.599
  • WITH THEOLOGY OR OPINIONS.WE NEED PEOPLE WITH POWER,
  • 00:11:45.599 --> 00:11:47.367
  • WE NEED PEOPLE WITH POWER,ACTUAL POWER TO ACCOMPLISH
  • 00:11:47.367 --> 00:11:49.035
  • ACTUAL POWER TO ACCOMPLISHTHE WILL OF GOD AND SEE
  • 00:11:49.035 --> 00:11:50.871
  • THE WILL OF GOD AND SEEHIS KINGDOM BREAK IN, AND
  • 00:11:50.871 --> 00:11:52.005
  • HIS KINGDOM BREAK IN, ANDI THINK FASTING IS ONE OF
  • 00:11:52.005 --> 00:11:53.640
  • I THINK FASTING IS ONE OFTHOSE NEGLECTED POTENT
  • 00:11:53.640 --> 00:11:54.875
  • THOSE NEGLECTED POTENTPRACTICES THAT DO THAT.
  • 00:11:54.875 --> 00:11:56.109
  • PRACTICES THAT DO THAT.SO I'M LIKE YOU.
  • 00:11:56.109 --> 00:11:57.410
  • SO I'M LIKE YOU.EVERY TIME I FAST, I HATE
  • 00:11:57.410 --> 00:11:59.479
  • EVERY TIME I FAST, I HATEIT AT FIRST, BUT THEN IT
  • 00:11:59.479 --> 00:12:01.515
  • IT AT FIRST, BUT THEN ITSEEMS LIKE THE SPIRIT'S
  • 00:12:01.515 --> 00:12:04.451
  • SEEMS LIKE THE SPIRIT'SVOICE IS JUST LOUDER.
  • 00:12:04.451 --> 00:12:05.418
  • VOICE IS JUST LOUDER.GOD BEGINS TO CONVICT ME
  • 00:12:05.418 --> 00:12:06.887
  • GOD BEGINS TO CONVICT MEOF THINGS THAT HAVE SORT
  • 00:12:06.887 --> 00:12:07.787
  • OF THINGS THAT HAVE SORTOF BEEN BURIED UNDER THE
  • 00:12:07.787 --> 00:12:08.989
  • SO, YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF
  • 00:12:10.924 --> 00:12:11.958
  • SO, YEAH, THAT'S ONE OFNINE, WHAT I BELIEVE ARE
  • 00:12:11.958 --> 00:12:12.959
  • NINE, WHAT I BELIEVE AREVERY, VERY SUBVERSIVE BUT
  • 00:12:12.959 --> 00:12:14.127
  • VERY, VERY SUBVERSIVE BUTCOMPELLING PRACTICES THAT
  • 00:12:14.127 --> 00:12:15.262
  • COMPELLING PRACTICES THATWE NEED TO RESTORE AS
  • 00:12:15.262 --> 00:12:16.596
  • WE NEED TO RESTORE ASFOLLOWERS OF JESUS IN THIS
  • 00:12:16.596 --> 00:12:17.564
  • FOLLOWERS OF JESUS IN THISMOMENT.
  • 00:12:17.564 --> 00:12:18.064
  • MOMENT.- ERIC: WELL, IT'S A
  • 00:12:18.064 --> 00:12:19.566
  • BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU
  • 00:12:20.634 --> 00:12:21.268
  • BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOUAND I BOTH AGREE THAT GOD
  • 00:12:21.268 --> 00:12:22.702
  • AND I BOTH AGREE THAT GODWANTS US TO ACT, NOT
  • 00:12:22.702 --> 00:12:25.071
  • WANTS US TO ACT, NOTMERELY TO HOLD
  • 00:12:25.071 --> 00:12:26.806
  • MERELY TO HOLDINTELLECTUAL, THEOLOGICAL
  • 00:12:26.806 --> 00:12:28.842
  • INTELLECTUAL, THEOLOGICALPRINCIPLES IN OUR HEADS,
  • 00:12:28.842 --> 00:12:31.945
  • PRINCIPLES IN OUR HEADS,BUT TO ACT IN THE POWER OF
  • 00:12:31.945 --> 00:12:33.213
  • BUT TO ACT IN THE POWER OFTHE HOLY SPIRIT TO FREE
  • 00:12:33.213 --> 00:12:34.915
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT TO FREEPEOPLE FROM DEMONS, TO
  • 00:12:34.915 --> 00:12:37.250
  • PEOPLE FROM DEMONS, TOFREE PEOPLE FROM BAD
  • 00:12:37.250 --> 00:12:39.653
  • FREE PEOPLE FROM BADIDEAS.
  • 00:12:39.653 --> 00:12:41.188
  • IDEAS.THE LORD WANTS TO USE US.
  • 00:12:41.188 --> 00:12:42.989
  • THE LORD WANTS TO USE US.HE HAS PUT US ON THIS
  • 00:12:42.989 --> 00:12:44.324
  • HE HAS PUT US ON THISPLANET SO THAT HE CAN USE
  • 00:12:44.324 --> 00:12:47.093
  • PLANET SO THAT HE CAN USEUS, AND WE CAN DO NOTHING
  • 00:12:47.093 --> 00:12:48.261
  • US, AND WE CAN DO NOTHINGAPART FROM HIM, APART FROM
  • 00:12:48.261 --> 00:12:49.362
  • BUT THERE ARE SO MANY
  • 00:12:50.797 --> 00:12:51.831
  • BUT THERE ARE SO MANYCHURCHES THAT THEY STEER
  • 00:12:51.831 --> 00:12:53.967
  • CHURCHES THAT THEY STEERENTIRELY CLEAR OF THAT.
  • 00:12:53.967 --> 00:12:54.668
  • ENTIRELY CLEAR OF THAT.THEY THINK, "WELL, MAYBE I
  • 00:12:54.668 --> 00:12:56.336
  • THEY THINK, "WELL, MAYBE ICAN FEED THE POOR OR
  • 00:12:56.336 --> 00:12:57.537
  • CAN FEED THE POOR ORSOMETHING, BUT I DON'T
  • 00:12:57.537 --> 00:12:58.171
  • SOMETHING, BUT I DON'TWANNA GET INVOLVED IN
  • 00:12:58.171 --> 00:12:58.972
  • WANNA GET INVOLVED INANYTHING THAT'S OVERLY
  • 00:12:58.972 --> 00:13:00.874
  • ANYTHING THAT'S OVERLYSPIRITUAL.
  • 00:13:00.874 --> 00:13:02.209
  • SPIRITUAL.IT MAKES ME NERVOUS."
  • 00:13:02.209 --> 00:13:03.510
  • IT MAKES ME NERVOUS."I'M GLAD YOU'RE NOT ONE OF
  • 00:13:03.510 --> 00:13:04.277
  • I'M GLAD YOU'RE NOT ONE OFTHOSE PEOPLE.
  • 00:13:04.277 --> 00:13:05.612
  • THOSE PEOPLE.- JON: YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S
  • 00:13:05.612 --> 00:13:06.680
  • - JON: YEAH, I MEAN, IT'SHARD TO BE A FOLLOWER OF
  • 00:13:06.680 --> 00:13:08.715
  • HARD TO BE A FOLLOWER OFJESUS, TO TAKE JESUS
  • 00:13:08.715 --> 00:13:09.883
  • JESUS, TO TAKE JESUSSERIOUSLY AND NOT CARE
  • 00:13:09.883 --> 00:13:11.418
  • SERIOUSLY AND NOT CAREABOUT HEALING AND FREEDOM
  • 00:13:11.418 --> 00:13:12.285
  • ABOUT HEALING AND FREEDOMIN ALL OF ITS VARIOUS
  • 00:13:12.285 --> 00:13:13.253
  • IN ALL OF ITS VARIOUSFORMS.
  • 00:13:13.253 --> 00:13:15.088
  • FORMS.JESUS BASICALLY WALKED
  • 00:13:15.088 --> 00:13:16.489
  • JESUS BASICALLY WALKEDAROUND, AND ANY TIME HE
  • 00:13:16.489 --> 00:13:18.692
  • AROUND, AND ANY TIME HESAW SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T
  • 00:13:18.692 --> 00:13:19.893
  • SAW SOMETHING THAT DIDN'TFIT INTO GOD'S KINGDOM
  • 00:13:19.893 --> 00:13:20.660
  • FIT INTO GOD'S KINGDOMAGENDA, HE CONFRONTED IT
  • 00:13:20.660 --> 00:13:21.595
  • AGENDA, HE CONFRONTED ITAND DROVE IT OUT.
  • 00:13:21.595 --> 00:13:23.196
  • AND DROVE IT OUT.AND, YEAH, SO I AGREE.
  • 00:13:23.196 --> 00:13:24.397
  • AND, YEAH, SO I AGREE.SOMETIMES THERE'S A
  • 00:13:24.397 --> 00:13:24.998
  • SOMETIMES THERE'S AHESITATION.
  • 00:13:24.998 --> 00:13:26.333
  • HESITATION.SOMETIMES THERE'S A
  • 00:13:26.333 --> 00:13:27.567
  • SOMETIMES THERE'S APASSIVITY.
  • 00:13:27.567 --> 00:13:28.368
  • PASSIVITY.I'M ALWAYS BLOWN AWAY BY
  • 00:13:28.368 --> 00:13:29.736
  • I'M ALWAYS BLOWN AWAY BYTHE WAY THE BIBLE
  • 00:13:29.736 --> 00:13:31.171
  • THE WAY THE BIBLEINTERACTS WITH BOTH GOD'S
  • 00:13:31.171 --> 00:13:32.772
  • BUT THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE IS
  • 00:13:34.441 --> 00:13:35.942
  • BUT THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE ISWHEN PETER IS IN PRISON,
  • 00:13:35.942 --> 00:13:37.310
  • WHEN PETER IS IN PRISON,AND HE'S SLEEPING BETWEEN
  • 00:13:37.310 --> 00:13:39.446
  • AND HE'S SLEEPING BETWEENTHE GUARDS, AND AN ANGEL
  • 00:13:39.446 --> 00:13:40.380
  • THE GUARDS, AND AN ANGELPOKES HIM IN THE SIDE,
  • 00:13:40.380 --> 00:13:41.381
  • POKES HIM IN THE SIDE,WAKES HIM UP,
  • 00:13:41.381 --> 00:13:42.882
  • WAKES HIM UP,SUPERNATURALLY FREES HIM
  • 00:13:42.882 --> 00:13:45.151
  • SUPERNATURALLY FREES HIMFROM HIS CHAINS, OPENS THE
  • 00:13:45.151 --> 00:13:46.052
  • FROM HIS CHAINS, OPENS THEDOOR FOR HIM.
  • 00:13:46.052 --> 00:13:47.454
  • DOOR FOR HIM.SO THIS IS A TOTAL
  • 00:13:47.454 --> 00:13:49.389
  • SO THIS IS A TOTALINTERVENTION OF GOD, AND,
  • 00:13:49.389 --> 00:13:50.757
  • INTERVENTION OF GOD, AND,YET WHEN HE GETS TO THE
  • 00:13:50.757 --> 00:13:51.958
  • YET WHEN HE GETS TO THEHOUSE WHERE THEY'RE ALL
  • 00:13:51.958 --> 00:13:52.525
  • HOUSE WHERE THEY'RE ALLPRAYING, HE'S LOCKED OUT
  • 00:13:52.525 --> 00:13:53.627
  • PRAYING, HE'S LOCKED OUTAND CAN'T GET IN.
  • 00:13:53.627 --> 00:13:54.828
  • AND CAN'T GET IN.AND SO IT'S, JUST, IT'S
  • 00:13:54.828 --> 00:13:55.862
  • AND SO IT'S, JUST, IT'SONE OF THE FUNNIEST
  • 00:13:55.862 --> 00:13:56.863
  • ONE OF THE FUNNIESTSTORIES THAT SHOWS THE
  • 00:13:56.863 --> 00:13:58.098
  • STORIES THAT SHOWS THEDYNAMIC OF INTERACTION
  • 00:13:58.098 --> 00:13:59.799
  • DYNAMIC OF INTERACTIONBETWEEN GOD DOING THE
  • 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:01.268
  • BETWEEN GOD DOING THESUPERNATURAL AND THE
  • 00:14:01.268 --> 00:14:02.535
  • SUPERNATURAL AND THEIMPOSSIBLE, AND US STILL
  • 00:14:02.535 --> 00:14:04.137
  • SO, YEAH, SOME
  • 00:14:05.338 --> 00:14:06.806
  • SO, YEAH, SOMEPENTECOSTALS ARE LIKE,
  • 00:14:06.806 --> 00:14:07.941
  • PENTECOSTALS ARE LIKE,"IT'S ALL MIRACLES AND
  • 00:14:07.941 --> 00:14:09.276
  • "IT'S ALL MIRACLES ANDGLORY," AND OTHER PEOPLE,
  • 00:14:09.276 --> 00:14:09.943
  • GLORY," AND OTHER PEOPLE,"IT'S ALL HUMAN ACTION."
  • 00:14:09.943 --> 00:14:11.044
  • "IT'S ALL HUMAN ACTION."BUT THERE IS THAT
  • 00:14:11.044 --> 00:14:12.846
  • BUT THERE IS THATPARTNERSHIP OF DIVINE
  • 00:14:12.846 --> 00:14:13.947
  • PARTNERSHIP OF DIVINEACTIVITY WORKING THROUGH
  • 00:14:13.947 --> 00:14:15.181
  • ACTIVITY WORKING THROUGHUS WHERE WE TAKE
  • 00:14:15.181 --> 00:14:16.149
  • US WHERE WE TAKERESPONSIBILITY FOR THE
  • 00:14:16.149 --> 00:14:17.117
  • RESPONSIBILITY FOR THETIME OF HISTORY AND THE
  • 00:14:17.117 --> 00:14:18.952
  • - ERIC: WELL, AGAIN,
  • 00:14:20.253 --> 00:14:21.054
  • - ERIC: WELL, AGAIN,IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I
  • 00:14:21.054 --> 00:14:21.588
  • IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS IAPPRECIATE YOU BECAUSE
  • 00:14:21.588 --> 00:14:22.489
  • APPRECIATE YOU BECAUSETHERE IS A BALANCE, AND I
  • 00:14:22.489 --> 00:14:23.790
  • THERE IS A BALANCE, AND ITHINK THAT YOU TEND TO
  • 00:14:23.790 --> 00:14:24.958
  • THINK THAT YOU TEND TOFIND SOME PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:14:24.958 --> 00:14:26.192
  • FIND SOME PEOPLE AREAFRAID OF ANYTHING
  • 00:14:26.192 --> 00:14:26.793
  • AFRAID OF ANYTHINGSUPERNATURAL, ANYTHING
  • 00:14:26.793 --> 00:14:28.028
  • SUPERNATURAL, ANYTHINGCHARISMATIC OR
  • 00:14:28.028 --> 00:14:29.396
  • CHARISMATIC ORPENTECOSTAL, OR WHATEVER.
  • 00:14:29.396 --> 00:14:31.231
  • PENTECOSTAL, OR WHATEVER.THEY'VE SEEN, LET'S SAY,
  • 00:14:31.231 --> 00:14:33.133
  • THEY'VE SEEN, LET'S SAY,EXCESSES, OR THEY'VE SEEN
  • 00:14:33.133 --> 00:14:35.068
  • EXCESSES, OR THEY'VE SEENBAD TEACHING OR BAD
  • 00:14:35.068 --> 00:14:37.237
  • BAD TEACHING OR BADACTION, AND SO THEY SAY,
  • 00:14:37.237 --> 00:14:37.804
  • ACTION, AND SO THEY SAY,"I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO
  • 00:14:37.804 --> 00:14:38.738
  • "I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TODO WITH IT," WHICH IS A
  • 00:14:38.738 --> 00:14:39.939
  • DO WITH IT," WHICH IS ATREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS
  • 00:14:39.939 --> 00:14:41.741
  • TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUSPITY, BUT, ON THE OTHER
  • 00:14:41.741 --> 00:14:42.709
  • PITY, BUT, ON THE OTHERHAND, YOU FIND SOME PEOPLE
  • 00:14:42.709 --> 00:14:43.943
  • HAND, YOU FIND SOME PEOPLETHAT ARE-- THEY ARE
  • 00:14:43.943 --> 00:14:45.545
  • THAT ARE-- THEY ARESLOPPY, AND THEY GIVE INTO
  • 00:14:45.545 --> 00:14:46.780
  • SLOPPY, AND THEY GIVE INTOTHEIR EMOTIONS MORE.
  • 00:14:46.780 --> 00:14:48.581
  • THEY DON'T SEEM TO WORRY
  • 00:14:50.650 --> 00:14:52.786
  • THEY DON'T SEEM TO WORRYVERY MUCH.
  • 00:14:52.786 --> 00:14:53.687
  • VERY MUCH.THEY KIND OF DIVE INTO IT
  • 00:14:53.687 --> 00:14:54.521
  • THEY KIND OF DIVE INTO ITLIKE IT'S A HOBBY.
  • 00:14:54.521 --> 00:14:56.423
  • LIKE IT'S A HOBBY.THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MY
  • 00:14:56.423 --> 00:14:57.857
  • THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MYMIND THAT WE NEED GOOD
  • 00:14:57.857 --> 00:14:59.125
  • MIND THAT WE NEED GOODTEACHING ON THESE KINDS OF
  • 00:14:59.125 --> 00:14:59.826
  • TEACHING ON THESE KINDS OFTHINGS.
  • 00:14:59.826 --> 00:15:01.761
  • THINGS.I KNOW I PROBABLY
  • 00:15:01.761 --> 00:15:02.362
  • I KNOW I PROBABLYMENTIONED TO YOU MY FRIEND
  • 00:15:02.362 --> 00:15:03.396
  • MENTIONED TO YOU MY FRIENDKEN FISH.
  • 00:15:03.396 --> 00:15:04.597
  • KEN FISH.YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET
  • 00:15:04.597 --> 00:15:05.932
  • YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GETREALLY BIBLICAL TEACHING
  • 00:15:05.932 --> 00:15:08.501
  • REALLY BIBLICAL TEACHINGON WHAT IT IS TO CONFRONT
  • 00:15:08.501 --> 00:15:10.070
  • ON WHAT IT IS TO CONFRONTTHE DEMONIC AND THAT THE
  • 00:15:10.070 --> 00:15:11.071
  • THE DEMONIC AND THAT THEAUTHORITY WE HAVE IN
  • 00:15:11.071 --> 00:15:12.205
  • AUTHORITY WE HAVE INJESUS, IT'S AN EXCITING
  • 00:15:12.205 --> 00:15:13.373
  • YOU REALIZE THAT "I'M JUST
  • 00:15:14.741 --> 00:15:18.678
  • YOU REALIZE THAT "I'M JUSTNOT LIVING THEORETICALLY--
  • 00:15:18.678 --> 00:15:19.379
  • NOT LIVING THEORETICALLY--THAT GOD WANTS TO USE ME
  • 00:15:19.379 --> 00:15:20.380
  • THAT GOD WANTS TO USE METO FURTHER HIS KINGDOM, TO
  • 00:15:20.380 --> 00:15:23.216
  • TO FURTHER HIS KINGDOM, TOBRING PEOPLE TO SALVATION."
  • 00:15:23.216 --> 00:15:24.584
  • BRING PEOPLE TO SALVATION."IT'S LITERALLY WHY WE
  • 00:15:24.584 --> 00:15:27.554
  • IT'S LITERALLY WHY WEARE HERE AND WHY HE
  • 00:15:27.554 --> 00:15:29.189
  • ARE HERE AND WHY HECREATED US, AND MUCH OF
  • 00:15:29.189 --> 00:15:32.192
  • CREATED US, AND MUCH OFTHE CHURCH DOESN'T SEEM TO
  • 00:15:32.192 --> 00:15:35.028
  • THE CHURCH DOESN'T SEEM TO"GET IT."
  • 00:15:35.028 --> 00:15:35.628
  • "GET IT."SO, YOU DO, AT LEAST,
  • 00:15:35.628 --> 00:15:36.863
  • SO, YOU DO, AT LEAST,IN MY ESTIMATION,
  • 00:15:36.863 --> 00:15:38.665
  • IN MY ESTIMATION,AND SO IT'S WHY I'M GLAD
  • 00:15:38.665 --> 00:15:39.866
  • AND SO IT'S WHY I'M GLADYOU WROTE THIS BOOK
  • 00:15:39.866 --> 00:15:41.167
  • YOU WROTE THIS BOOKBECAUSE I THINK GOD IS
  • 00:15:41.167 --> 00:15:42.502
  • BECAUSE I THINK GOD ISCALLING THE CHURCH RIGHT
  • 00:15:42.502 --> 00:15:43.870
  • WE WOULDN'T BE GOING
  • 00:15:44.971 --> 00:15:45.939
  • WE WOULDN'T BE GOINGTHROUGH THESE CRAZY THINGS
  • 00:15:45.939 --> 00:15:47.140
  • THROUGH THESE CRAZY THINGSIF GOD WASN'T AT LEAST, IN
  • 00:15:47.140 --> 00:15:48.541
  • IF GOD WASN'T AT LEAST, INPART, TRYING TO SAY TO THE
  • 00:15:48.541 --> 00:15:49.242
  • PART, TRYING TO SAY TO THECHURCH, "OKAY, NOW ARE YOU
  • 00:15:49.242 --> 00:15:50.243
  • CHURCH, "OKAY, NOW ARE YOUREADY?
  • 00:15:50.243 --> 00:15:51.044
  • - JON: YEAH, THERE'S, AT
  • 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:54.614
  • - JON: YEAH, THERE'S, ATTHE END OF THE BOOK OF
  • 00:15:54.614 --> 00:15:56.082
  • THE END OF THE BOOK OFREVELATION, YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:15:56.082 --> 00:15:57.384
  • REVELATION, YOU KNOW, THELAODICEAN CHURCH, WHICH
  • 00:15:57.384 --> 00:15:59.085
  • LAODICEAN CHURCH, WHICHGETS PULLED UP EVERY NOW
  • 00:15:59.085 --> 00:16:00.920
  • GETS PULLED UP EVERY NOWAND THEN, BUT HE SAYS, YOU
  • 00:16:00.920 --> 00:16:02.222
  • YOU THINK YOU HAVE NEED OF
  • 00:16:03.556 --> 00:16:04.424
  • YOU THINK YOU HAVE NEED OFNOTHING, BUT DON'T YOU
  • 00:16:04.424 --> 00:16:05.792
  • NOTHING, BUT DON'T YOUKNOW THAT YOU'RE POOR,
  • 00:16:05.792 --> 00:16:06.826
  • KNOW THAT YOU'RE POOR,WRETCHED, BLIND, AND NAKED?"
  • 00:16:06.826 --> 00:16:09.396
  • WRETCHED, BLIND, AND NAKED?"AND SO JESUS GIVES THEM AN
  • 00:16:09.396 --> 00:16:10.530
  • AND SO JESUS GIVES THEM ANACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF
  • 00:16:10.530 --> 00:16:11.831
  • ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OFWHERE THEY ACTUALLY ARE,
  • 00:16:11.831 --> 00:16:13.700
  • WHERE THEY ACTUALLY ARE,BUT THEN HE SAYS, VERY,
  • 00:16:13.700 --> 00:16:14.567
  • BUT THEN HE SAYS, VERY,VERY LOVINGLY, "REPENT AND
  • 00:16:14.567 --> 00:16:16.870
  • VERY LOVINGLY, "REPENT ANDRETURN TO ME, AND YOU'LL
  • 00:16:16.870 --> 00:16:17.470
  • RETURN TO ME, AND YOU'LLFIND LIFE."
  • 00:16:17.470 --> 00:16:19.472
  • FIND LIFE."AND SO I'M NOT TRYING TO
  • 00:16:19.472 --> 00:16:20.874
  • AND SO I'M NOT TRYING TOHOLD UP A BUNCH OF VERY,
  • 00:16:20.874 --> 00:16:21.775
  • HOLD UP A BUNCH OF VERY,VERY HARSH PRACTICES
  • 00:16:21.775 --> 00:16:23.710
  • VERY HARSH PRACTICESAND BEATING EVERYBODY
  • 00:16:23.710 --> 00:16:24.377
  • AND BEATING EVERYBODYUP WITH THEM.
  • 00:16:24.377 --> 00:16:25.712
  • UP WITH THEM.I'M LIKE, "HEY, LOOK,
  • 00:16:25.712 --> 00:16:26.246
  • I'M LIKE, "HEY, LOOK,WE'RE THE TIME OF
  • 00:16:26.246 --> 00:16:28.314
  • WE'RE THE TIME OFLUKEWARMNESS AND DECLINE.
  • 00:16:28.314 --> 00:16:29.816
  • LUKEWARMNESS AND DECLINE.REPENTANCE AND RESOLVE TO
  • 00:16:29.816 --> 00:16:30.650
  • REPENTANCE AND RESOLVE TOFOLLOW JESUS WITH DEEPER
  • 00:16:30.650 --> 00:16:32.919
  • FOLLOW JESUS WITH DEEPERCONVICTION IS THE CALL,
  • 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:33.987
  • CONVICTION IS THE CALL,BUT THE RESULT OF IT,
  • 00:16:33.987 --> 00:16:35.588
  • BUT THE RESULT OF IT,AGAIN, IS LIFE."
  • 00:16:35.588 --> 00:16:37.524
  • AGAIN, IS LIFE."THERE'S A LIFE IN CHRISTIANITY
  • 00:16:37.524 --> 00:16:39.225
  • THERE'S A LIFE IN CHRISTIANITYWE ACTUALLY ACHE FOR, AND
  • 00:16:39.225 --> 00:16:41.461
  • WE ACTUALLY ACHE FOR, ANDWE'RE NOT REALIZING IT.
  • 00:16:41.461 --> 00:16:42.195
  • WE'RE NOT REALIZING IT.THAT'S WHAT JESUS IS
  • 00:16:42.195 --> 00:16:43.329
  • THAT'S WHAT JESUS ISCALLING US BACK TO.
  • 00:16:43.329 --> 00:16:44.831
  • CALLING US BACK TO.HE'S CALLING US BACK INTO
  • 00:16:44.831 --> 00:16:45.598
  • HE'S CALLING US BACK INTOLIVED EXPERIENCE OF BOTH
  • 00:16:45.598 --> 00:16:46.800
  • LIVED EXPERIENCE OF BOTHINTIMACY WITH HIM AND
  • 00:16:46.800 --> 00:16:48.268
  • INTIMACY WITH HIM ANDIMPACT IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:16:48.268 --> 00:16:49.769
  • IMPACT IN THE WORLD.AND SO, YEAH, THE MORE WE
  • 00:16:49.769 --> 00:16:51.171
  • AND SO, YEAH, THE MORE WELEAN INTO THAT AND DON'T
  • 00:16:51.171 --> 00:16:51.738
  • LEAN INTO THAT AND DON'TGET DISTRACTED BY
  • 00:16:51.738 --> 00:16:53.139
  • GET DISTRACTED BYSECONDARY ISSUES, THE BETTER.
  • 00:16:53.139 --> 00:16:54.274
  • SECONDARY ISSUES, THE BETTER.- ERIC: SO, AGAIN, THE
  • 00:16:54.274 --> 00:16:55.241
  • - ERIC: SO, AGAIN, THETITLE OF THE BOOK IS
  • 00:16:55.241 --> 00:16:56.209
  • TITLE OF THE BOOK IS"BEAUTIFUL RESISTANCE: THE
  • 00:16:56.209 --> 00:16:57.510
  • "BEAUTIFUL RESISTANCE: THEJOY OF CONVICTION IN A
  • 00:16:57.510 --> 00:16:59.512
  • JOY OF CONVICTION IN ACULTURE OF COMPROMISE."
  • 00:16:59.512 --> 00:17:00.780
  • CULTURE OF COMPROMISE."IT MUST GRIEVE YOU,
  • 00:17:00.780 --> 00:17:02.115
  • IT MUST GRIEVE YOU,ESPECIALLY BEING A PASTOR
  • 00:17:02.115 --> 00:17:03.249
  • ESPECIALLY BEING A PASTORHERE IN NEW YORK, TO SEE
  • 00:17:03.249 --> 00:17:05.351
  • HERE IN NEW YORK, TO SEEHOW COMPROMISED A LOT OF
  • 00:17:05.351 --> 00:17:06.619
  • HOW COMPROMISED A LOT OFSO-CALLED BELIEVERS CAN BE
  • 00:17:06.619 --> 00:17:09.355
  • SO-CALLED BELIEVERS CAN BEWITH REGARD TO WHAT THEY
  • 00:17:09.355 --> 00:17:11.624
  • WITH REGARD TO WHAT THEYTAKE IN ON THE INTERNET OR
  • 00:17:11.624 --> 00:17:13.760
  • TAKE IN ON THE INTERNET ORVIA NETFLIX OR SOMETHING,
  • 00:17:13.760 --> 00:17:15.295
  • VIA NETFLIX OR SOMETHING,THAT WE'RE LIVING IN A
  • 00:17:15.295 --> 00:17:16.463
  • THAT WE'RE LIVING IN ACULTURE SUFFUSED WITH WAYS
  • 00:17:16.463 --> 00:17:19.499
  • CULTURE SUFFUSED WITH WAYSTO COMPROMISE AND THAT WE
  • 00:17:19.499 --> 00:17:20.400
  • TO COMPROMISE AND THAT WEHAVE TO BE MORE
  • 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:22.068
  • HAVE TO BE MOREINTENTIONAL, IN A WAY,
  • 00:17:22.068 --> 00:17:23.736
  • INTENTIONAL, IN A WAY,THAN WE MIGHT'VE HAD TO BE
  • 00:17:23.736 --> 00:17:25.738
  • THAN WE MIGHT'VE HAD TO BEIN PREVIOUS DECADES.
  • 00:17:25.738 --> 00:17:27.907
  • IN PREVIOUS DECADES.- JON: YEAH, I MEAN, THE
  • 00:17:27.907 --> 00:17:29.142
  • - JON: YEAH, I MEAN, THENUMBER ONE WAR WHEN IT ALL
  • 00:17:29.142 --> 00:17:30.510
  • NUMBER ONE WAR WHEN IT ALLCOMES DOWN TO IT IS SIMPLY
  • 00:17:30.510 --> 00:17:31.878
  • SO I AM GRIEVED AT SORT OF
  • 00:17:36.716 --> 00:17:37.750
  • SO I AM GRIEVED AT SORT OFTHE CONSCIOUSLY UNGODLY
  • 00:17:37.750 --> 00:17:43.189
  • THE CONSCIOUSLY UNGODLYPRACTICES THAT BELIEVERS
  • 00:17:43.189 --> 00:17:43.990
  • PRACTICES THAT BELIEVERSPARTAKE IN, YOU KNOW, AND
  • 00:17:43.990 --> 00:17:44.824
  • PARTAKE IN, YOU KNOW, ANDIN MANY WAYS, OUR BEHAVIOR
  • 00:17:44.824 --> 00:17:45.425
  • IN MANY WAYS, OUR BEHAVIORIS TOO SIMILAR TO THE
  • 00:17:45.425 --> 00:17:49.062
  • IS TOO SIMILAR TO THEWORLD FOR JESUS' LIKING,
  • 00:17:49.062 --> 00:17:50.163
  • WORLD FOR JESUS' LIKING,BUT THAT THE ROOT ISSUE IS
  • 00:17:50.163 --> 00:17:52.198
  • BUT THAT THE ROOT ISSUE ISSATAN DOESN'T CARE WHAT IT
  • 00:17:52.198 --> 00:17:52.899
  • SATAN DOESN'T CARE WHAT ITIS THAT GETS YOUR EYES OFF
  • 00:17:52.899 --> 00:17:55.468
  • IS THAT GETS YOUR EYES OFFJESUS.
  • 00:17:55.468 --> 00:17:56.035
  • JESUS.I MEAN, IF IT'S A GAME ON
  • 00:17:56.035 --> 00:17:56.536
  • I MEAN, IF IT'S A GAME ONYOUR PHONE, HE DOESN'T
  • 00:17:56.536 --> 00:17:57.370
  • YOUR PHONE, HE DOESN'TNEED YOU TO BECOME AN
  • 00:17:57.370 --> 00:17:57.937
  • NEED YOU TO BECOME ANADULTERER IF YOU JUST GET
  • 00:17:57.937 --> 00:17:58.805
  • ADULTERER IF YOU JUST GETDISTRACTED ON YOUR PHONE.
  • 00:17:58.805 --> 00:18:00.273
  • DISTRACTED ON YOUR PHONE.AND I'M THINKING OF
  • 00:18:00.273 --> 00:18:00.840
  • AND I'M THINKING OFC.S. LEWIS, WHERE HE SAYS,
  • 00:18:00.840 --> 00:18:02.175
  • C.S. LEWIS, WHERE HE SAYS,"ALL THE ENEMY WANTS TO DO
  • 00:18:02.175 --> 00:18:03.309
  • "ALL THE ENEMY WANTS TO DOIS TO EDGE YOU OUT OF THE
  • 00:18:03.309 --> 00:18:06.880
  • SO WHEN THE YOUNG TEMPTER
  • 00:18:08.381 --> 00:18:08.915
  • SO WHEN THE YOUNG TEMPTERIN "SCREWTAPE LETTERS,"
  • 00:18:08.915 --> 00:18:09.716
  • IN "SCREWTAPE LETTERS,"SAYS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY,
  • 00:18:09.716 --> 00:18:10.316
  • SAYS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY,"I WANNA GET MY SUBJECT TO
  • 00:18:10.316 --> 00:18:12.519
  • "I WANNA GET MY SUBJECT TOCOMMIT A GREAT SIN,"
  • 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:13.386
  • COMMIT A GREAT SIN,"AND HE SAYS, "YOU DON'T NEED
  • 00:18:13.386 --> 00:18:14.554
  • AND HE SAYS, "YOU DON'T NEEDGREAT SINS.
  • 00:18:14.554 --> 00:18:16.122
  • GREAT SINS.YOU JUST NEED TRIVIAL
  • 00:18:16.122 --> 00:18:17.023
  • YOU JUST NEED TRIVIALDISTRACTIONS THAT HAS THE
  • 00:18:17.023 --> 00:18:19.158
  • DISTRACTIONS THAT HAS THESAME EFFECT OF SEPARATING
  • 00:18:19.158 --> 00:18:21.427
  • SAME EFFECT OF SEPARATINGFROM GOD."
  • 00:18:21.427 --> 00:18:21.961
  • FROM GOD."SO, TO ME, THE NUMBER ONE
  • 00:18:21.961 --> 00:18:22.795
  • SO, TO ME, THE NUMBER ONEI TEACH PEOPLE IS PAY
  • 00:18:22.795 --> 00:18:23.396
  • I TEACH PEOPLE IS PAYATTENTION.
  • 00:18:23.396 --> 00:18:24.531
  • ATTENTION.IT'S LEARNING TO BE
  • 00:18:24.531 --> 00:18:25.365
  • IT'S LEARNING TO BEPRESENT, RESISTING
  • 00:18:25.365 --> 00:18:26.833
  • PRESENT, RESISTINGDISTRACTIONS.
  • 00:18:26.833 --> 00:18:27.734
  • DISTRACTIONS.THE NUMBER ONE WAR IS THE
  • 00:18:27.734 --> 00:18:29.702
  • THE NUMBER ONE WAR IS THEWAR OF OUR ATTENTION.
  • 00:18:29.702 --> 00:18:30.670
  • WAR OF OUR ATTENTION.- ERIC: I'VE NOTICED
  • 00:18:30.670 --> 00:18:31.804
  • - ERIC: I'VE NOTICEDTHIS, AND SOMETIMES THE
  • 00:18:31.804 --> 00:18:32.805
  • THIS, AND SOMETIMES THEFREE MARKET,
  • 00:18:32.805 --> 00:18:33.606
  • FREE MARKET,WHICH CAN BE A WONDERFUL
  • 00:18:33.606 --> 00:18:34.807
  • WHICH CAN BE A WONDERFULTHING, DELIVERS TO US THE
  • 00:18:34.807 --> 00:18:36.643
  • THING, DELIVERS TO US THEVERY THINGS THAT TAKE US
  • 00:18:36.643 --> 00:18:37.844
  • I MEAN, THE ABILITY TO BE
  • 00:18:40.013 --> 00:18:40.947
  • I MEAN, THE ABILITY TO BEABLE TO LOOK UP ANYTHING
  • 00:18:40.947 --> 00:18:42.682
  • ABLE TO LOOK UP ANYTHINGON THIS HANDHELD DEVICE
  • 00:18:42.682 --> 00:18:44.484
  • ON THIS HANDHELD DEVICEWHICH IS-- WE CALL
  • 00:18:44.484 --> 00:18:45.718
  • WHICH IS-- WE CALL"PHONES," BUT, HONESTLY,
  • 00:18:45.718 --> 00:18:48.454
  • "PHONES," BUT, HONESTLY,IN SOME WAYS, IT'S
  • 00:18:48.454 --> 00:18:49.188
  • IN SOME WAYS, IT'SWONDERFUL, AND IN OTHER
  • 00:18:49.188 --> 00:18:50.056
  • WONDERFUL, AND IN OTHERWAYS, IT IS REQUIRING A
  • 00:18:50.056 --> 00:18:52.425
  • WAYS, IT IS REQUIRING ANEW LEVEL OF
  • 00:18:52.425 --> 00:18:54.594
  • WHICH I HAVEN'T SEEN YET
  • 00:18:55.662 --> 00:18:56.996
  • WHICH I HAVEN'T SEEN YETIN MOST PEOPLE.
  • 00:18:56.996 --> 00:18:57.564
  • IN MOST PEOPLE.I THINK WE'RE COMING TO A
  • 00:18:57.564 --> 00:18:58.598
  • I THINK WE'RE COMING TO APLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:18:58.598 --> 00:19:00.133
  • UNLESS I TAKE CLEAR ACTION
  • 00:19:01.901 --> 00:19:03.937
  • UNLESS I TAKE CLEAR ACTIONAGAINST THIS, THE
  • 00:19:03.937 --> 00:19:05.038
  • AGAINST THIS, THETEMPTATION, IT'S LIKE
  • 00:19:05.038 --> 00:19:05.705
  • TEMPTATION, IT'S LIKEHAVING A PACK OF
  • 00:19:05.705 --> 00:19:06.573
  • HAVING A PACK OFCIGARETTES IN YOUR POCKET,
  • 00:19:06.573 --> 00:19:07.106
  • CIGARETTES IN YOUR POCKET,AND YOU'RE TRYING TO QUIT
  • 00:19:07.106 --> 00:19:07.740
  • AND YOU'RE TRYING TO QUITSMOKING.
  • 00:19:07.740 --> 00:19:09.642
  • SMOKING.IT'S NOT-- PROBABLY NOT
  • 00:19:09.642 --> 00:19:10.910
  • IT'S NOT-- PROBABLY NOTGOING TO WORK IF YOU'RE
  • 00:19:10.910 --> 00:19:11.945
  • GOING TO WORK IF YOU'REDOING IT THAT WAY.
  • 00:19:11.945 --> 00:19:13.980
  • DOING IT THAT WAY.- JON: NO, THAT'S
  • 00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:18.351
  • - JON: NO, THAT'SEXACTLY IT.
  • 00:19:18.351 --> 00:19:18.851
  • EXACTLY IT.YEAH, I MEAN, SO
  • 00:19:18.851 --> 00:19:19.719
  • YEAH, I MEAN, SOTHERE'S MANY COMPONENTS TO
  • 00:19:19.719 --> 00:19:20.253
  • THERE'S MANY COMPONENTS TOWHAT JESUS IS TEACHING.
  • 00:19:20.253 --> 00:19:21.387
  • WHAT JESUS IS TEACHING.IN THE SERMON ON THE
  • 00:19:21.387 --> 00:19:22.021
  • IN THE SERMON ON THEMOUNT, IT'S SORT OF LIKE
  • 00:19:22.021 --> 00:19:24.123
  • MOUNT, IT'S SORT OF LIKEAPOCALYPTIC WISDOM
  • 00:19:24.123 --> 00:19:26.326
  • SO IT'S LIKE THE END OF
  • 00:19:28.194 --> 00:19:28.761
  • SO IT'S LIKE THE END OFTHE WORLD AND THE KINGDOM
  • 00:19:28.761 --> 00:19:29.562
  • THE WORLD AND THE KINGDOMOF GOD IS RUSHING INTO THE
  • 00:19:29.562 --> 00:19:31.297
  • OF GOD IS RUSHING INTO THEPRESENT, AND IT'S NOT JUST
  • 00:19:31.297 --> 00:19:32.932
  • PRESENT, AND IT'S NOT JUSTMORAL COMMANDS OR ETHICAL
  • 00:19:32.932 --> 00:19:33.633
  • MORAL COMMANDS OR ETHICALCOMMANDS.
  • 00:19:33.633 --> 00:19:34.968
  • COMMANDS.IT'S FRAMED, SORT OF, IN A
  • 00:19:34.968 --> 00:19:36.469
  • AND SO THERE'S MANY, MANY
  • 00:19:37.904 --> 00:19:39.205
  • AND SO THERE'S MANY, MANYWAYS THAT WE CAN HONOR
  • 00:19:39.205 --> 00:19:40.807
  • WAYS THAT WE CAN HONORJESUS AND LIVE WITH
  • 00:19:40.807 --> 00:19:41.407
  • JESUS AND LIVE WITHCONVICTIONS BY SIMPLY
  • 00:19:41.407 --> 00:19:43.042
  • CONVICTIONS BY SIMPLYBEING WISE IN HOW WE
  • 00:19:43.042 --> 00:19:44.210
  • BEING WISE IN HOW WEPRACTICE THINGS.
  • 00:19:44.210 --> 00:19:45.445
  • PRACTICE THINGS.AND, CERTAINLY, WHEN IT
  • 00:19:45.445 --> 00:19:46.613
  • AND, CERTAINLY, WHEN ITCOMES TO MEDIA AND
  • 00:19:46.613 --> 00:19:47.280
  • COMES TO MEDIA ANDPARTICULARLY WITH HOW
  • 00:19:47.280 --> 00:19:48.481
  • PARTICULARLY WITH HOWWE'RE TRAINING OUR KIDS ON
  • 00:19:48.481 --> 00:19:49.415
  • WE'RE TRAINING OUR KIDS ONTHEIR ROLE IN OUR
  • 00:19:49.415 --> 00:19:49.949
  • THEIR ROLE IN OURFAMILIES, THIS IS ONE OF
  • 00:19:49.949 --> 00:19:50.717
  • FAMILIES, THIS IS ONE OFTHE WAYS WE CAN BE
  • 00:19:50.717 --> 00:19:51.851
  • THE WAYS WE CAN BEDISTINCT FROM THE WORLD.
  • 00:19:51.851 --> 00:19:53.319
  • DISTINCT FROM THE WORLD.SEE, FASTING?
  • 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:55.788
  • SEE, FASTING?ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:19:55.788 --> 00:19:56.656
  • ABSOLUTELY.BUT LITERALLY BEING
  • 00:19:56.656 --> 00:19:58.224
  • BUT LITERALLY BEINGPRESENT IS SPIRITUAL
  • 00:19:58.224 --> 00:19:59.626
  • PRESENT IS SPIRITUALWARFARE IN A CULTURE OF
  • 00:19:59.626 --> 00:20:01.194
  • WARFARE IN A CULTURE OFDISTRACTION.
  • 00:20:01.194 --> 00:20:02.562
  • DISTRACTION.- ERIC: THIS TAKES REALLY
  • 00:20:02.562 --> 00:20:03.196
  • - ERIC: THIS TAKES REALLYINTENTIONAL
  • 00:20:03.196 --> 00:20:04.397
  • INTENTIONALCOUNTERCULTURAL BEHAVIOR
  • 00:20:04.397 --> 00:20:05.798
  • COUNTERCULTURAL BEHAVIORAT THIS POINT TO DO
  • 00:20:05.798 --> 00:20:06.432
  • AT THIS POINT TO DOSOMETHING LIKE THAT.
  • 00:20:06.432 --> 00:20:08.234
  • SOMETHING LIKE THAT.ONE WAY TO FRAME IT, I
  • 00:20:08.234 --> 00:20:09.869
  • ONE WAY TO FRAME IT, IWOULD SAY, THAT'S NOT AT
  • 00:20:09.869 --> 00:20:10.970
  • WOULD SAY, THAT'S NOT ATALL RELIGIOUS IN THE
  • 00:20:10.970 --> 00:20:14.173
  • ALL RELIGIOUS IN THELANGUAGE IS TO SAY IT'S
  • 00:20:14.173 --> 00:20:14.841
  • LANGUAGE IS TO SAY IT'SABOUT BEING POLITE.
  • 00:20:14.841 --> 00:20:15.308
  • ABOUT BEING POLITE.IT'S ABOUT HAVING GOOD
  • 00:20:15.308 --> 00:20:17.543
  • IF YOU ARE REALLY
  • 00:20:19.112 --> 00:20:20.179
  • IF YOU ARE REALLYLISTENING TO SOMEONE, THAT
  • 00:20:20.179 --> 00:20:22.315
  • LISTENING TO SOMEONE, THATIS THE POLITE THING TO DO.
  • 00:20:22.315 --> 00:20:23.316
  • IS THE POLITE THING TO DO.AND IN MANY CULTURES THAT
  • 00:20:23.316 --> 00:20:24.717
  • THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
  • 00:20:25.852 --> 00:20:27.120
  • THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.WE, AS CHRISTIANS, OUGHT
  • 00:20:27.120 --> 00:20:28.087
  • WE, AS CHRISTIANS, OUGHTTO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE
  • 00:20:28.087 --> 00:20:30.757
  • TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RECALLED BY GOD, NOT MERELY
  • 00:20:30.757 --> 00:20:32.659
  • CALLED BY GOD, NOT MERELYTO BE POLITE, BUT AS YOU
  • 00:20:32.659 --> 00:20:34.460
  • AND I THINK THAT BEFORE
  • 00:20:35.995 --> 00:20:37.330
  • AND I THINK THAT BEFORETHE INVENTION OF PHONES,
  • 00:20:37.330 --> 00:20:39.298
  • THE INVENTION OF PHONES,IT WAS MUCH EASIER.
  • 00:20:39.298 --> 00:20:41.401
  • IT WAS MUCH EASIER.WE'RE REALLY FACING A
  • 00:20:41.401 --> 00:20:42.168
  • WE'RE REALLY FACING APARTICULAR DIFFICULTY
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  • PARTICULAR DIFFICULTYRIGHT NOW.
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  • RIGHT NOW.DO YOU SAY ANYTHING IN
  • 00:20:44.270 --> 00:20:45.838
  • DO YOU SAY ANYTHING INYOUR BOOK ABOUT,
  • 00:20:45.838 --> 00:20:46.673
  • YOUR BOOK ABOUT,PRACTICALLY SPEAKING,
  • 00:20:46.673 --> 00:20:47.540
  • PRACTICALLY SPEAKING,HOW WE CAN BE MORE PRESENT
  • 00:20:47.540 --> 00:20:48.207
  • HOW WE CAN BE MORE PRESENTAND HONOR PEOPLE THAT
  • 00:20:48.207 --> 00:20:49.842
  • - JON: WELL, YEAH, I
  • 00:20:51.577 --> 00:20:53.413
  • - JON: WELL, YEAH, ITHINK THAT PART OF THAT, I
  • 00:20:53.413 --> 00:20:54.447
  • THINK THAT PART OF THAT, IHAVE A CHAPTER IN THERE
  • 00:20:54.447 --> 00:20:55.214
  • HAVE A CHAPTER IN THERETALKING ABOUT HOSPITALITY
  • 00:20:55.214 --> 00:20:55.782
  • TALKING ABOUT HOSPITALITYAND TALKING ABOUT
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  • AND THE CHAPTER ON
  • 00:20:58.084 --> 00:20:59.118
  • AND THE CHAPTER ONHOSPITALITY SAYS THAT WE
  • 00:20:59.118 --> 00:21:00.687
  • HOSPITALITY SAYS THAT WEBASICALLY-- IF YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:21:00.687 --> 00:21:02.689
  • BASICALLY-- IF YOU'RE NOTCREATING AN ENVIRONMENT
  • 00:21:02.689 --> 00:21:04.057
  • CREATING AN ENVIRONMENTWHERE SOMEBODY IS TRULY
  • 00:21:04.057 --> 00:21:05.491
  • WHERE SOMEBODY IS TRULYWELCOME AND YOU'RE PUTTING
  • 00:21:05.491 --> 00:21:06.826
  • WELCOME AND YOU'RE PUTTINGAWAY YOUR AGENDA, YOU'RE
  • 00:21:06.826 --> 00:21:08.361
  • AWAY YOUR AGENDA, YOU'RENEVER GONNA SEE THE PERSON.
  • 00:21:08.361 --> 00:21:09.562
  • NEVER GONNA SEE THE PERSON.YOU'RE JUST GONNA
  • 00:21:09.562 --> 00:21:10.663
  • YOU'RE JUST GONNASTEREOTYPE THEM.
  • 00:21:10.663 --> 00:21:12.932
  • STEREOTYPE THEM.YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE DRAWN
  • 00:21:12.932 --> 00:21:14.867
  • YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE DRAWNINTO ALL OF THE CLICHéS
  • 00:21:14.867 --> 00:21:16.402
  • INTO ALL OF THE CLICHéSAND ALL OF THE OUTER
  • 00:21:16.402 --> 00:21:17.036
  • AND SO I THINK THAT
  • 00:21:18.538 --> 00:21:19.639
  • AND SO I THINK THATPUTTING OUR DEVICES AWAY
  • 00:21:19.639 --> 00:21:20.907
  • PUTTING OUR DEVICES AWAYAND CREATING THAT FREE AND
  • 00:21:20.907 --> 00:21:24.811
  • AND CREATING THAT FREE ANDFEEL OF SPACE TO LISTEN TO
  • 00:21:24.811 --> 00:21:26.312
  • FEEL OF SPACE TO LISTEN TOONE ANOTHER'S STORIES IS
  • 00:21:26.312 --> 00:21:27.613
  • ONE ANOTHER'S STORIES ISSUPER IMPORTANT.
  • 00:21:27.613 --> 00:21:28.314
  • SUPER IMPORTANT.I'VE GOT A CHAPTER ON THE
  • 00:21:28.314 --> 00:21:29.549
  • I'VE GOT A CHAPTER ON THESABBATH IN THERE, CALLED
  • 00:21:29.549 --> 00:21:30.149
  • AND I'M MAKING THE CASE
  • 00:21:31.517 --> 00:21:32.385
  • AND I'M MAKING THE CASEFOR AT LEAST ONE DAY A
  • 00:21:32.385 --> 00:21:33.820
  • FOR AT LEAST ONE DAY AWEEK OF HAVING A BOUNDARY,
  • 00:21:33.820 --> 00:21:35.788
  • WEEK OF HAVING A BOUNDARY,A WAY AND AROUND
  • 00:21:35.788 --> 00:21:37.356
  • A WAY AND AROUNDTECHNOLOGY SO THAT WE CAN
  • 00:21:37.356 --> 00:21:38.725
  • TECHNOLOGY SO THAT WE CANACTUALLY ENJOY GOD, SO WE
  • 00:21:38.725 --> 00:21:39.859
  • ACTUALLY ENJOY GOD, SO WECAN ACTUALLY BE WITH ONE
  • 00:21:39.859 --> 00:21:40.426
  • CAN ACTUALLY BE WITH ONEANOTHER.
  • 00:21:40.426 --> 00:21:41.327
  • ANOTHER.WE CAN SEE CREATION.
  • 00:21:41.327 --> 00:21:42.662
  • I USED TO TELL PEOPLE ALL
  • 00:21:44.497 --> 00:21:45.064
  • I USED TO TELL PEOPLE ALLTHE TIME, THE CHALLENGE OF
  • 00:21:45.064 --> 00:21:46.365
  • THE TIME, THE CHALLENGE OFLIVING IN NEW YORK CITY IS
  • 00:21:46.365 --> 00:21:47.200
  • LIVING IN NEW YORK CITY ISTHAT EVERYTHING YOU SEE IS
  • 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:48.167
  • THAT EVERYTHING YOU SEE ISMAN-MADE, INCLUDING
  • 00:21:48.167 --> 00:21:49.569
  • MAN-MADE, INCLUDINGNATURE.
  • 00:21:49.569 --> 00:21:50.503
  • NATURE.THE NATURE IS SCULPTED BY
  • 00:21:50.503 --> 00:21:51.704
  • THE NATURE IS SCULPTED BYMAN.
  • 00:21:51.704 --> 00:21:52.638
  • MAN.- ERIC: IT'S SO BASIC,
  • 00:21:52.638 --> 00:21:53.773
  • - ERIC: IT'S SO BASIC,BUT WE CAN TRUST GOD EVEN
  • 00:21:53.773 --> 00:21:55.108
  • BUT WE CAN TRUST GOD EVENIF WE JUST WANNA SAY A
  • 00:21:55.108 --> 00:21:58.077
  • IF WE JUST WANNA SAY ASIMPLE PRAYER TO TAKE AWAY
  • 00:21:58.077 --> 00:21:59.612
  • SIMPLE PRAYER TO TAKE AWAYTHAT SENSE THAT EVERY
  • 00:21:59.612 --> 00:22:01.547
  • THAT SENSE THAT EVERYMOMENT THERE MAY BE
  • 00:22:01.547 --> 00:22:02.882
  • MOMENT THERE MAY BESOMETHING THAT DEMANDS MY
  • 00:22:02.882 --> 00:22:04.183
  • SOMETHING THAT DEMANDS MYATTENTION.
  • 00:22:04.183 --> 00:22:06.085
  • ATTENTION.IT'S KIND OF CRAZY THAT WE
  • 00:22:06.085 --> 00:22:07.854
  • IT'S KIND OF CRAZY THAT WELIVE IN TIMES LIKE THAT,
  • 00:22:07.854 --> 00:22:08.554
  • LIVE IN TIMES LIKE THAT,BUT WE DO.
  • 00:22:08.554 --> 00:22:09.322
  • BUT WE DO.- JON: YEAH.
  • 00:22:09.322 --> 00:22:09.889
  • - JON: YEAH.- ERIC: MY FRIEND, JON,
  • 00:22:09.889 --> 00:22:10.723
  • - ERIC: MY FRIEND, JON,WE'RE OUT OF TIME.
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  • WE'RE OUT OF TIME.CONGRATULATIONS ON
  • 00:22:11.257 --> 00:22:13.626
  • IT'S VITAL FOR THE KINGDOM
  • 00:22:15.027 --> 00:22:15.695
  • IT'S VITAL FOR THE KINGDOMTO BE HERE IN NEW YORK
  • 00:22:15.695 --> 00:22:16.262
  • TO BE HERE IN NEW YORKCITY.
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  • CITY.THE BOOK IS "BEAUTIFUL
  • 00:22:18.197 --> 00:22:19.298
  • THE JOY OF CONVICTION IN A
  • 00:22:20.433 --> 00:22:21.234
  • THE JOY OF CONVICTION IN ACULTURE OF COMPROMISE,"
  • 00:22:21.234 --> 00:22:22.135
  • I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT.
  • 00:22:23.870 --> 00:22:24.837
  • I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT.TELL US-- YOUR WEBSITE IS
  • 00:22:24.837 --> 00:22:29.142
  • TELL US-- YOUR WEBSITE ISCHURCH.NYC?
  • 00:22:29.142 --> 00:22:29.675
  • CHURCH.NYC?- JON: THAT'S IT.
  • 00:22:29.675 --> 00:22:31.177
  • - JON: THAT'S IT.- ERIC: UNBELIEVABLE.
  • 00:22:31.177 --> 00:22:31.711
  • - ERIC: UNBELIEVABLE.CHURCH.NYC.
  • 00:22:31.711 --> 00:22:32.278
  • CHURCH.NYC.JON TYSON, THANKS FOR YOUR
  • 00:22:32.278 --> 00:22:33.546
  • JON TYSON, THANKS FOR YOURTIME.
  • 00:22:33.546 --> 00:22:35.214
  • - JON: NO WORRIES.
  • 00:22:36.215 --> 00:22:36.682
  • - JON: NO WORRIES.YOU TOO, MATE.
  • 00:22:36.682 --> 00:22:37.183
  • YOU TOO, MATE.THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON
  • 00:22:37.183 --> 00:22:40.453
  • THANKS FOR HAVING ME ONTHE SHOW.
  • 00:22:40.453 --> 00:22:47.527
  • THE SHOW.[POPPING SOUND]
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  • [POPPING SOUND]♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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  • ♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA ♪
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  • ♪ I'M GONNA ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA ♪
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  • ♪ I'M GONNA ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA ♪
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