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January 12, 2020
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  • [MUSIC]♪ THE ERIC METAXAS RADIO SHOW ♪
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  • ♪ THE ERIC METAXAS RADIO SHOW ♪- ERIC METAXAS:
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  • - ERIC METAXAS:HEY THERE, FOLKS.
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  • HEY THERE, FOLKS.IT'S "THE ERIC METAXAS
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  • IT'S "THE ERIC METAXASSHOW." WE'RE TALKIN'
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  • SHOW." WE'RE TALKIN'ABOUT SOMETHING REALLY
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  • ABOUT SOMETHING REALLYIMPORTANT AND REALLY,
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  • IMPORTANT AND REALLY,REALLY BEAUTIFUL.
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  • REALLY BEAUTIFUL.I'M SITTING HERE WITH
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  • I'M SITTING HERE WITHJUDGE TOM KOHL.
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  • JUDGE TOM KOHL.TOM, FIRST OF ALL, WELCOME
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  • TOM, FIRST OF ALL, WELCOMETO THIS PROGRAM.
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  • TO THIS PROGRAM.- TOM KOHL: WELL, THANK
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  • - TOM KOHL: WELL, THANKYOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.
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  • YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.- ERIC: WELL, IT'S MY
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  • KEVIN PALAU, A MUTUAL
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  • KEVIN PALAU, A MUTUALFRIEND, PUT YOU IN FRONT
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  • FRIEND, PUT YOU IN FRONTOF ME, AND I LOOKED INTO
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  • AND IT'S, AS MANY THINGS
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  • AND IT'S, AS MANY THINGSARE, INITIALLY HORRIFIC,
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  • ARE, INITIALLY HORRIFIC,AND THEN BEAUTIFUL.
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  • AND THEN BEAUTIFUL.IN 2006, YOUR DAUGHTER
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  • IN 2006, YOUR DAUGHTERMEGAN WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED.
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  • MEGAN WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED.THE KILLER WAS TRIED AND
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  • THE KILLER WAS TRIED ANDCONVICTED OF AGGRAVATED
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  • CONVICTED OF AGGRAVATEDMURDER, AND YOU WERE ABLE
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  • MURDER, AND YOU WERE ABLETO FORGIVE YOUR DAUGHTER'S
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  • TO FORGIVE YOUR DAUGHTER'SMURDERER THROUGH THE POWER
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  • MURDERER THROUGH THE POWERAND PRESENCE OF JESUS IN
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  • AND PRESENCE OF JESUS INYOUR LIFE.
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  • YOUR LIFE.THAT'S A BIG-- THAT'S A
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  • THAT'S A BIG-- THAT'S ABIG THING TO EVEN SAY IN A
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  • BIG THING TO EVEN SAY IN ASENTENCE, MUCH LESS TO
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  • SENTENCE, MUCH LESS TOLIVE, BUT I KNOW YOU'VE
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  • LIVE, BUT I KNOW YOU'VEWRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT IT.
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  • WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT IT.THE BOOK IS CALLED
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  • THE BOOK IS CALLED"LOSING MEGAN: FINDING HOPE,
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  • "LOSING MEGAN: FINDING HOPE,COMFORT AND FORGIVENESS
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  • COMFORT AND FORGIVENESSIN THE MIDST OF MURDER."
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  • IN THE MIDST OF MURDER."YOU FOUNDED A NONPROFIT,
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  • YOU FOUNDED A NONPROFIT,PAID IN FULL OREGON.
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  • PAID IN FULL OREGON.SO I JUST WANNA HEAR YOUR
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  • SO I JUST WANNA HEAR YOURSTORY AND MEGAN'S STORY,
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  • STORY AND MEGAN'S STORY,AND ONCE AGAIN, THANKS FOR
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  • AND ONCE AGAIN, THANKS FORBEING WILLING TO COME HERE
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  • BEING WILLING TO COME HEREAND TALK ABOUT IT 'CAUSE
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  • AND TALK ABOUT IT 'CAUSETHERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE
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  • THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLETHAT-- THIS IS THE
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  • THAT-- THIS IS THEQUESTION: FORGIVENESS.
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  • QUESTION: FORGIVENESS.AND WHEN IT COMES TO
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  • AND WHEN IT COMES TOSOMETHING LIKE THE MURDER
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  • SOMETHING LIKE THE MURDEROF ONE'S CHILD, AS A
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  • OF ONE'S CHILD, AS AFATHER OF A DAUGHTER, YOU
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  • FATHER OF A DAUGHTER, YOUKNOW, YOU REALIZE THAT
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  • KNOW, YOU REALIZE THATTHAT'S THE ULTIMATE TEST
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  • THAT'S THE ULTIMATE TESTOF FAITH.
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  • OF FAITH.SO WHAT IS YOUR STORY?
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  • SO WHAT IS YOUR STORY?DID YOU GROW UP IN THE
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  • DID YOU GROW UP IN THENORTHWEST?
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  • I WAS A FOOTBALL PLAYER IN
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  • I WAS A FOOTBALL PLAYER INHIGH SCHOOL.
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  • HIGH SCHOOL.THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I
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  • THAT'S THE ONLY WAY ICOULD PLEASE MY DAD.
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  • COULD PLEASE MY DAD.I WAS DOING WELL IN
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  • I WAS DOING WELL INSPORTS, AND SO I DID
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  • SPORTS, AND SO I DIDREALLY WELL IN FOOTBALL
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  • REALLY WELL IN FOOTBALL'CAUSE I WANTED TO PLEASE
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  • ENDED UP GETTING A
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  • ENDED UP GETTING ASCHOLARSHIP, A FOOTBALL
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  • SCHOLARSHIP, A FOOTBALLSCHOLARSHIP TO THE
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  • SCHOLARSHIP TO THEUNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY AND
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  • UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY ANDPLAYED THERE FOR ABOUT A
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  • PLAYED THERE FOR ABOUT AYEAR AND A HALF.
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  • YEAR AND A HALF.I HAD A BROKEN LEG, A
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  • I HAD A BROKEN LEG, ABROKEN NOSE, A DISLOCATED
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  • BROKEN NOSE, A DISLOCATEDJAW, AND THEN I HAD A
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  • JAW, AND THEN I HAD ACAREER-ENDING INJURY,
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  • CAREER-ENDING INJURY,CALLED "BAD ATTITUDE," AND
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  • CALLED "BAD ATTITUDE," ANDENDED UP JOINING A
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  • ENDED UP JOINING AFRATERNITY LOCALLY THERE
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  • FRATERNITY LOCALLY THEREAND GOT WORSE AND WORSE
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  • AND GOT WORSE AND WORSEAND WORSE, DOING A LOT OF
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  • AND WORSE, DOING A LOT OFDRUGS AND MAKING POOR CHOICES.
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  • DRUGS AND MAKING POOR CHOICES.- ERIC: THAT'S ENOUGH
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  • - ERIC: THAT'S ENOUGHPLEASING DAD ON THE
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  • PLEASING DAD ON THEGRIDIRON, WOW.
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  • GRIDIRON, WOW.- TOM: RIGHT, YEAH, YEAH.
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  • - TOM: RIGHT, YEAH, YEAH.- ERIC: SO YOU BECAME A
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  • - ERIC: SO YOU BECAME AJUDGE, SO SOMEHOW YOU GOT OUT
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  • JUDGE, SO SOMEHOW YOU GOT OUTOF THE DEATH SPIRAL THERE.
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  • OF THE DEATH SPIRAL THERE.- TOM: I DID, I DID.
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  • - TOM: I DID, I DID.MY FAMILY MOVED FROM OHIO.
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  • MY FAMILY MOVED FROM OHIO.I WENT BACK TO OHIO.
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  • I WENT BACK TO OHIO.I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL AT
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  • I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL ATTHE UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO
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  • THE UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDOAND ENDED UP-- I STRUGGLED
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  • AND ENDED UP-- I STRUGGLEDIN LAW SCHOOL, BUT I ENDED
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  • IN LAW SCHOOL, BUT I ENDEDUP GRADUATING IN THE TOP
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  • UP GRADUATING IN THE TOP10% OF THE LOWER HALF MY
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  • 10% OF THE LOWER HALF MYLAW SCHOOL CLASS AND--
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  • LAW SCHOOL CLASS AND--[LAUGHTER]
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  • [LAUGHTER]- ERIC: I WANNA REMEMBER
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  • - ERIC: I WANNA REMEMBERTHAT--
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  • THAT--[LAUGHTER]
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  • [LAUGHTER]-- OKAY.
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  • -- OKAY.- TOM: SO I MOVED OUT TO
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  • - TOM: SO I MOVED OUT TOOREGON, PRACTICED LAW FOR
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  • OREGON, PRACTICED LAW FORA WHILE.
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  • A WHILE.IN 1997, I WAS APPOINTED
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  • IN 1997, I WAS APPOINTEDTO THE BENCH BY GOVERNOR
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  • TO THE BENCH BY GOVERNORKITZHABER THERE AND--
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  • KITZHABER THERE AND--- ERIC: IN OREGON?
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  • - ERIC: IN OREGON?- TOM: IN OREGON, YUP,
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  • - TOM: IN OREGON, YUP,YUP.
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  • YUP.AND SO, SHORTLY AFTER
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  • AND SO, SHORTLY AFTERTHAT, I HAD ANOTHER FAILED
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  • THAT, I HAD ANOTHER FAILEDMARRIAGE-- THAT WAS MY
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  • MARRIAGE-- THAT WAS MYSECOND FAILED MARRIAGE--
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  • SECOND FAILED MARRIAGE--AND ENDED UP GETTING A
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  • AND ENDED UP GETTING ADIVORCE.
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  • DIVORCE.NOW I HAD TWO ANGRY
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  • NOW I HAD TWO ANGRYEX-WIVES AND TWO ANGRY
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  • EX-WIVES AND TWO ANGRYCHILDREN.
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  • CHILDREN.I HAD TWO CHILDREN FROM
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  • I HAD TWO CHILDREN FROMTHAT THE SECOND MARRIAGE,
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  • THAT THE SECOND MARRIAGE,AND SO IT TOOK A WHILE TO,
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  • AND SO IT TOOK A WHILE TO,KIND OF, YOU KNOW,
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  • KIND OF, YOU KNOW,RECONNECT WITH MY KIDS,
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  • RECONNECT WITH MY KIDS,AND THEN I STARTED DATING
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  • AND THEN I STARTED DATINGA WOMAN WHO WAS A
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  • A WOMAN WHO WAS ACHRISTIAN.
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  • CHRISTIAN.I ALWAYS THOUGHT I WAS A
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  • I ALWAYS THOUGHT I WAS ACHRISTIAN, BUT I STARTED
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  • CHRISTIAN, BUT I STARTEDDATING A WOMAN NAMED JULIE
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  • DATING A WOMAN NAMED JULIEIN 2000, AND SHE WAS A
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  • IN 2000, AND SHE WAS ACHRISTIAN.
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  • CHRISTIAN.I HAD BEEN A JUDGE FOR
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  • I HAD BEEN A JUDGE FORABOUT THREE YEARS AND WAS
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  • ABOUT THREE YEARS AND WASINVITED TO A MEN'S RETREAT
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  • INVITED TO A MEN'S RETREATON THE OREGON COAST, AND
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  • ON THE OREGON COAST, ANDON NOVEMBER 3, 2000,
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  • ON NOVEMBER 3, 2000,THAT'S WHEN I ACCEPTED
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  • THAT'S WHEN I ACCEPTEDJESUS AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR.
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  • JESUS AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR.I REALIZED I COULDN'T DO
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  • I REALIZED I COULDN'T DOIT ON MY OWN ANYMORE.
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  • IT ON MY OWN ANYMORE.- ERIC: WOW, SO HUGE,
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  • - ERIC: WOW, SO HUGE,HUGE MOMENT IN YOUR LIFE,
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  • HUGE MOMENT IN YOUR LIFE,AND IT'S KIND OF FUNNY HOW
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  • AND IT'S KIND OF FUNNY HOWSOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GO
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  • SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GOTHROUGH PAIN, YOU KNOW,
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  • THROUGH PAIN, YOU KNOW,BEFORE WE'RE EITHER OPEN
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  • BEFORE WE'RE EITHER OPENOR WILLING TO ACCEPT GOD
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  • OR WILLING TO ACCEPT GODIN OUR LIVES.
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  • IN OUR LIVES.SO YOURS IS A DRAMATIC
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  • SO YOURS IS A DRAMATICSTORY, EVEN BEFORE YOU GET
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  • STORY, EVEN BEFORE YOU GETTO THE UNBELIEVABLY
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  • TO THE UNBELIEVABLYDRAMATIC OCCURRENCES OF A
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  • DRAMATIC OCCURRENCES OF AFEW YEARS LATER.
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  • FEW YEARS LATER.SO HOW DID YOUR LIFE
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  • SO HOW DID YOUR LIFEPROCEED IMMEDIATELY AFTER
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  • PROCEED IMMEDIATELY AFTERYOUR CONVERSION?
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  • YOUR CONVERSION?- TOM: WELL, IT WAS A
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  • - TOM: WELL, IT WAS AHUGE CHANGE.
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  • HUGE CHANGE.IT WAS A HUGE CHANGE.
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  • IT WAS A HUGE CHANGE.I ENDED UP GETTING MARRIED
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  • I ENDED UP GETTING MARRIEDTO JULIE, AND IT WAS
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  • TO JULIE, AND IT WASTHAT-- THERE'S A GREEK
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  • THAT-- THERE'S A GREEKWORD, CALLED "KAIROS,"
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  • WORD, CALLED "KAIROS,"WHICH MEANS, "THE MOMENT
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  • WHICH MEANS, "THE MOMENTIN TIME WHEN CHANGE IS
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  • IN TIME WHEN CHANGE ISPOSSIBLE," AND THAT WAS MY
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  • POSSIBLE," AND THAT WAS MY"KAIROS MOMENT" BACK ON
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  • "KAIROS MOMENT" BACK ONNOVEMBER 3RD OF 2000.
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  • NOVEMBER 3RD OF 2000.AND SO IT CONTINUED--
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  • AND SO IT CONTINUED--MY HEART CHANGED 'CAUSE I WAS
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  • MY HEART CHANGED 'CAUSE I WASVERY HARSH TOWARDS
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  • VERY HARSH TOWARDSDEFENDANTS WHO WERE
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  • DEFENDANTS WHO WEREAPPEARING IN FRONT OF ME
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  • APPEARING IN FRONT OF MEIN COURT.
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  • IN COURT.- ERIC: SO AS A JUDGE,
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  • - ERIC: SO AS A JUDGE,YOUR HEART CHANGED, WOW, WOW.
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  • YOUR HEART CHANGED, WOW, WOW.- TOM: ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.
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  • - TOM: ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.SO I WAS REALLY HARSH ON
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  • SO I WAS REALLY HARSH ONPEOPLE WHO WERE COMMITTING
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  • PEOPLE WHO WERE COMMITTINGCRIMES AND DOING DRUGS AT
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  • CRIMES AND DOING DRUGS ATTHE SAME TIME.
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  • THE SAME TIME.LAWYERS DIDN'T WANNA
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  • LAWYERS DIDN'T WANNAAPPEAR IN FRONT OF ME.
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  • APPEAR IN FRONT OF ME.IN FACT, SOME OF THEM WERE
  • 00:05:14.030 --> 00:05:15.365
  • IN FACT, SOME OF THEM WEREEVEN AFFIDAVITING ME
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  • EVEN AFFIDAVITING MEBECAUSE I WAS SO HARSH,
  • 00:05:16.833 --> 00:05:17.867
  • BECAUSE I WAS SO HARSH,BUT GOD STARTED TO CHANGE
  • 00:05:17.867 --> 00:05:19.302
  • BUT GOD STARTED TO CHANGEMY HEART.
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  • MY HEART.HE STARTED TO TENDERIZE MY
  • 00:05:20.370 --> 00:05:22.806
  • HE STARTED TO TENDERIZE MYHEART AND JUST MADE A HUGE
  • 00:05:22.806 --> 00:05:23.907
  • HEART AND JUST MADE A HUGECHANGE, AND SO THEN I
  • 00:05:23.907 --> 00:05:25.275
  • CHANGE, AND SO THEN IBECAME THE DRUG COURT
  • 00:05:25.275 --> 00:05:26.876
  • BECAME THE DRUG COURTJUDGE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY.
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  • JUDGE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY.WE SET UP A DRUG COURT
  • 00:05:27.444 --> 00:05:29.179
  • WE SET UP A DRUG COURTTHERE, THE FIRST ONE IN
  • 00:05:29.179 --> 00:05:29.879
  • THERE, THE FIRST ONE INWASHINGTON COUNTY, AND MY
  • 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:31.448
  • WASHINGTON COUNTY, AND MYWHOLE REASON WAS MY
  • 00:05:31.448 --> 00:05:32.716
  • WHOLE REASON WAS MYDAUGHTER MEGAN HAD BECOME
  • 00:05:32.716 --> 00:05:34.117
  • DAUGHTER MEGAN HAD BECOMEA DRUG ADDICT, AND WE WERE
  • 00:05:34.117 --> 00:05:35.985
  • A DRUG ADDICT, AND WE WEREESTRANGED, BUT ONCE IN A
  • 00:05:35.985 --> 00:05:36.820
  • ESTRANGED, BUT ONCE IN AWHILE, WE'D HAVE A
  • 00:05:36.820 --> 00:05:37.854
  • WHILE, WE'D HAVE ACONVERSATION OR I'D TAKE
  • 00:05:37.854 --> 00:05:39.522
  • CONVERSATION OR I'D TAKEHER OUT TO DINNER, AND SHE
  • 00:05:39.522 --> 00:05:40.357
  • HER OUT TO DINNER, AND SHEWAS A METHAMPHETAMINE ADDICT.
  • 00:05:40.357 --> 00:05:41.224
  • WAS A METHAMPHETAMINE ADDICT.ONE HIT ON
  • 00:05:41.224 --> 00:05:41.858
  • ONE HIT ONMETHAMPHETAMINE, IT'S ONE
  • 00:05:41.858 --> 00:05:42.826
  • METHAMPHETAMINE, IT'S ONEOF THE MOST-- THE WORST
  • 00:05:42.826 --> 00:05:43.993
  • OF THE MOST-- THE WORSTDRUG YOU CAN GET INVOLVED
  • 00:05:43.993 --> 00:05:45.328
  • DRUG YOU CAN GET INVOLVEDIN, AND SO SHE BECAME A
  • 00:05:45.328 --> 00:05:47.497
  • IN, AND SO SHE BECAME AMETHAMPHETAMINE ADDICT IN
  • 00:05:47.497 --> 00:05:50.066
  • METHAMPHETAMINE ADDICT INABOUT 2004, 2005.
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  • ABOUT 2004, 2005.- ERIC: YOU, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:05:51.468 --> 00:05:55.739
  • - ERIC: YOU, YOU KNOW,FOR YOU TO GO FROM BEING A
  • 00:05:55.739 --> 00:05:58.041
  • FOR YOU TO GO FROM BEING AFEARED, TOUGH JUDGE, TO
  • 00:05:58.041 --> 00:05:59.209
  • FEARED, TOUGH JUDGE, TOTHIS OTHER KIND OF JUDGE,
  • 00:05:59.209 --> 00:06:00.443
  • THIS OTHER KIND OF JUDGE,IT DOESN'T STRIKE ME THAT
  • 00:06:00.443 --> 00:06:01.811
  • IT DOESN'T STRIKE ME THATTHIS IS BLEEDING-HEART
  • 00:06:01.811 --> 00:06:03.513
  • THIS IS BLEEDING-HEARTLIBERALISM.
  • 00:06:03.513 --> 00:06:04.114
  • LIBERALISM.THIS IS SOMETHING FAR
  • 00:06:04.114 --> 00:06:06.583
  • THIS IS SOMETHING FARDEEPER, SO TALK ABOUT THAT
  • 00:06:06.583 --> 00:06:07.317
  • DEEPER, SO TALK ABOUT THATIF YOU COULD.
  • 00:06:07.317 --> 00:06:09.352
  • IF YOU COULD.- TOM: WELL, PEOPLE NEED
  • 00:06:09.352 --> 00:06:10.487
  • - TOM: WELL, PEOPLE NEEDTO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT
  • 00:06:10.487 --> 00:06:11.821
  • TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHATTHEY DO, AND WHEN YOU'RE IN
  • 00:06:11.821 --> 00:06:13.790
  • THEY DO, AND WHEN YOU'RE INTHE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM,
  • 00:06:13.790 --> 00:06:15.558
  • THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM,YOU'RE GONNA BE HELD
  • 00:06:15.558 --> 00:06:16.292
  • YOU'RE GONNA BE HELDACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT YOU DO,
  • 00:06:16.292 --> 00:06:17.694
  • ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT YOU DO,WHAT CRIMES YOU COMMIT,
  • 00:06:17.694 --> 00:06:19.596
  • WHAT CRIMES YOU COMMIT,BUT THERE'S ALSO THE IDEA
  • 00:06:19.596 --> 00:06:22.399
  • BUT THERE'S ALSO THE IDEAOF "WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT?"
  • 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:23.633
  • OF "WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT?"YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU
  • 00:06:23.633 --> 00:06:24.200
  • YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOURESTORE THAT DEFENDANT
  • 00:06:24.200 --> 00:06:25.135
  • RESTORE THAT DEFENDANTBACK INTO THE COMMUNITY?
  • 00:06:25.135 --> 00:06:25.935
  • BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY?AND THIS IS THE WHOLE IDEA
  • 00:06:25.935 --> 00:06:29.205
  • AND THIS IS THE WHOLE IDEABEHIND RESTORATIVE JUSTICE.
  • 00:06:29.205 --> 00:06:29.839
  • BEHIND RESTORATIVE JUSTICE.IT'S MAKING THAT DEFENDANT
  • 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:30.440
  • IT'S MAKING THAT DEFENDANTWHOLE AGAIN, LOOKING AT
  • 00:06:30.440 --> 00:06:34.444
  • WHOLE AGAIN, LOOKING ATTHE VICTIM'S NEEDS,
  • 00:06:34.444 --> 00:06:35.044
  • THE VICTIM'S NEEDS,BRINGING THAT DEFENDANT
  • 00:06:35.044 --> 00:06:36.146
  • BRINGING THAT DEFENDANTBACK INTO THE COMMUNITY
  • 00:06:36.146 --> 00:06:37.313
  • BACK INTO THE COMMUNITYAND BRINGING-- AND MAKING
  • 00:06:37.313 --> 00:06:38.648
  • AND BRINGING-- AND MAKINGTHE COMMUNITY SAFE, AND SO
  • 00:06:38.648 --> 00:06:40.350
  • THE COMMUNITY SAFE, AND SOTHAT WAS PART OF THE IDEA
  • 00:06:40.350 --> 00:06:42.619
  • THAT WAS PART OF THE IDEABEHIND THE DRUG COURT
  • 00:06:42.619 --> 00:06:43.520
  • BEHIND THE DRUG COURTTHAT I SET UP AND
  • 00:06:43.520 --> 00:06:44.087
  • THAT I SET UP ANDWASHINGTON COUNTY.
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  • WASHINGTON COUNTY.IN THE MEANTIME, MY WIFE
  • 00:06:45.789 --> 00:06:47.457
  • IN THE MEANTIME, MY WIFEAND I WERE STILL PRAYING.
  • 00:06:47.457 --> 00:06:48.057
  • AND I WERE STILL PRAYING.I WAS PRAYING THAT MEGAN
  • 00:06:48.057 --> 00:06:49.092
  • I WAS PRAYING THAT MEGANWOULD GET CAUGHT AND
  • 00:06:49.092 --> 00:06:50.427
  • WOULD GET CAUGHT ANDBROUGHT INTO THE CRIMINAL
  • 00:06:50.427 --> 00:06:51.661
  • BROUGHT INTO THE CRIMINALJUSTICE SYSTEM.
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  • JUSTICE SYSTEM.SHE NEEDED TO BE HELD
  • 00:06:52.262 --> 00:06:53.797
  • SHE NEEDED TO BE HELDACCOUNTABLE BY EITHER A
  • 00:06:53.797 --> 00:06:55.365
  • ACCOUNTABLE BY EITHER APROBATION OFFICER OR A JUDGE.
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  • PROBATION OFFICER OR A JUDGE.- ERIC: AND--
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  • - ERIC: AND--- TOM: AND, YEAH, AND THEN--
  • 00:07:01.805 --> 00:07:02.472
  • - TOM: AND, YEAH, AND THEN--AND THEN ON JULY 21 OF--
  • 00:07:02.472 --> 00:07:09.012
  • AND THEN ON JULY 21 OF--- ERIC: HOW OLD WAS YOUR
  • 00:07:09.012 --> 00:07:10.747
  • - ERIC: HOW OLD WAS YOURDAUGHTER WHEN SHE WAS MURDERED?
  • 00:07:10.747 --> 00:07:12.482
  • DAUGHTER WHEN SHE WAS MURDERED?- TOM: TWENTY-ONE.
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  • - TOM: TWENTY-ONE.- ERIC: TWENTY-ONE.
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  • - ERIC: TWENTY-ONE.- TOM: YEAH.
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  • - TOM: YEAH.- ERIC: MY DAUGHTER IS
  • 00:07:14.551 --> 00:07:15.885
  • - ERIC: MY DAUGHTER IS20, SO AS I SAID, WHEN I
  • 00:07:15.885 --> 00:07:16.886
  • 20, SO AS I SAID, WHEN IREAD YOUR STORY, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:07:16.886 --> 00:07:18.688
  • READ YOUR STORY, YOU KNOW,I THOUGHT, "BOY, THIS IS
  • 00:07:18.688 --> 00:07:21.591
  • I THOUGHT, "BOY, THIS ISTHE ULTIMATE."
  • 00:07:21.591 --> 00:07:22.692
  • THE ULTIMATE."THERE AREN'T WORDS.
  • 00:07:22.692 --> 00:07:23.393
  • THERE AREN'T WORDS.IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
  • 00:07:23.393 --> 00:07:26.830
  • IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOWHOW PEOPLE DEAL WITH THIS.
  • 00:07:26.830 --> 00:07:28.064
  • HOW PEOPLE DEAL WITH THIS.I'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF
  • 00:07:28.064 --> 00:07:29.432
  • I'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OFHOW YOU'VE DEALT WITH IT,
  • 00:07:29.432 --> 00:07:30.200
  • HOW YOU'VE DEALT WITH IT,AND IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:07:30.200 --> 00:07:31.167
  • AND IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.IT'S SO IMPRESSIVE THAT I
  • 00:07:31.167 --> 00:07:33.603
  • IT'S SO IMPRESSIVE THAT IFELT IT WAS REALLY
  • 00:07:33.603 --> 00:07:35.205
  • FELT IT WAS REALLYIMPORTANT FOR MY AUDIENCE
  • 00:07:35.205 --> 00:07:36.439
  • IMPORTANT FOR MY AUDIENCETO HEAR YOUR STORY.
  • 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:37.907
  • TO HEAR YOUR STORY.SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU
  • 00:07:37.907 --> 00:07:39.275
  • SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUCAN SAY ABOUT YOUR
  • 00:07:39.275 --> 00:07:44.714
  • CAN SAY ABOUT YOURDAUGHTER'S DEATH, BUT TAKE
  • 00:07:44.714 --> 00:07:46.349
  • DAUGHTER'S DEATH, BUT TAKEUS THROUGH WHAT YOU CAN.
  • 00:07:46.349 --> 00:07:47.317
  • US THROUGH WHAT YOU CAN.- TOM: YEAH, SO THERE WAS
  • 00:07:47.317 --> 00:07:48.485
  • - TOM: YEAH, SO THERE WASA KNOCK ON THE DOOR ABOUT
  • 00:07:48.485 --> 00:07:52.222
  • AND I SAW SOME PEOPLE
  • 00:07:53.823 --> 00:07:54.457
  • AND I SAW SOME PEOPLEOUTSIDE THE DOOR THAT ONE
  • 00:07:54.457 --> 00:07:55.058
  • OUTSIDE THE DOOR THAT ONEPERSON I RECOGNIZED, AND
  • 00:07:55.058 --> 00:07:56.459
  • PERSON I RECOGNIZED, ANDTHE TWO OTHER ARE
  • 00:07:56.459 --> 00:07:57.927
  • THE TWO OTHER ARESTRANGERS, AND I LET THEM IN.
  • 00:07:57.927 --> 00:07:58.761
  • STRANGERS, AND I LET THEM IN.I KNEW SOMETHIN' WAS WRONG
  • 00:07:58.761 --> 00:08:00.730
  • AND THEY TOLD ME, "JUDGE,
  • 00:08:02.165 --> 00:08:02.632
  • AND THEY TOLD ME, "JUDGE,SIT DOWN.
  • 00:08:02.632 --> 00:08:03.266
  • SIT DOWN.MEGAN WAS MURDERED EARLIER
  • 00:08:03.266 --> 00:08:03.900
  • MEGAN WAS MURDERED EARLIERTODAY."
  • 00:08:03.900 --> 00:08:06.302
  • TODAY."SO, YOU KNOW, A PARENT'S
  • 00:08:06.302 --> 00:08:07.136
  • SO, YOU KNOW, A PARENT'SWORST NIGHTMARE BECAME
  • 00:08:07.136 --> 00:08:08.238
  • WORST NIGHTMARE BECAMEA REALITY FOR ME,
  • 00:08:08.238 --> 00:08:08.838
  • A REALITY FOR ME,AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I
  • 00:08:08.838 --> 00:08:09.405
  • AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IWOULD'VE DONE WITHOUT
  • 00:08:09.405 --> 00:08:11.074
  • WOULD'VE DONE WITHOUTJESUS CHRIST IN MY LIFE.
  • 00:08:11.074 --> 00:08:12.442
  • JESUS CHRIST IN MY LIFE.YOU EITHER TURN TO GOD IN
  • 00:08:12.442 --> 00:08:13.243
  • YOU EITHER TURN TO GOD INA SITUATION LIKE THAT, OR
  • 00:08:13.243 --> 00:08:14.978
  • A SITUATION LIKE THAT, ORYOU TURN AWAY.
  • 00:08:14.978 --> 00:08:15.645
  • YOU TURN AWAY.IF YOU TURN AWAY, THERE
  • 00:08:15.645 --> 00:08:17.480
  • IF YOU TURN AWAY, THEREARE CONSEQUENCES TO THAT,
  • 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.416
  • ARE CONSEQUENCES TO THAT,BECAUSE OF MY COMMUNITY
  • 00:08:20.416 --> 00:08:21.618
  • BECAUSE OF MY COMMUNITYTHAT I WAS IN AND THE
  • 00:08:21.618 --> 00:08:22.819
  • THAT I WAS IN AND THECHURCH THAT I WAS GOING TO,
  • 00:08:22.819 --> 00:08:24.087
  • CHURCH THAT I WAS GOING TO,I HAD SO MUCH PRAYER SUPPORT.
  • 00:08:24.087 --> 00:08:25.822
  • I HAD SO MUCH PRAYER SUPPORT.I WAS BACK ON THE BENCH
  • 00:08:25.822 --> 00:08:27.724
  • I WAS BACK ON THE BENCHAFTER TWO WEEKS, AND I
  • 00:08:27.724 --> 00:08:29.893
  • AFTER TWO WEEKS, AND ITHINK PEOPLE THOUGHT I WAS
  • 00:08:29.893 --> 00:08:31.060
  • THINK PEOPLE THOUGHT I WASON DRUGS OR SOMETHING
  • 00:08:31.060 --> 00:08:32.328
  • ON DRUGS OR SOMETHINGBECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO COME
  • 00:08:32.328 --> 00:08:33.897
  • BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO COMEBACK SO QUICKLY WITH THAT,
  • 00:08:33.897 --> 00:08:35.832
  • BACK SO QUICKLY WITH THAT,BUT IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR
  • 00:08:35.832 --> 00:08:37.033
  • BUT IT WAS ABOUT A YEARLATER, THE POLICE ARRESTED
  • 00:08:37.033 --> 00:08:37.967
  • LATER, THE POLICE ARRESTEDTHE MAN WHO MURDERED MY
  • 00:08:37.967 --> 00:08:39.636
  • THE MAN WHO MURDERED MYDAUGHTER.
  • 00:08:39.636 --> 00:08:40.203
  • DAUGHTER.THEY CHARGED HIM WITH
  • 00:08:40.203 --> 00:08:40.703
  • THEY CHARGED HIM WITHAGGRAVATED MURDER.
  • 00:08:40.703 --> 00:08:41.271
  • AGGRAVATED MURDER.HE WAS LOOKIN' AT THE
  • 00:08:41.271 --> 00:08:41.938
  • HE WAS LOOKIN' AT THEDEATH PENALTY.
  • 00:08:41.938 --> 00:08:43.973
  • DEATH PENALTY.AND IT WAS REALLY
  • 00:08:43.973 --> 00:08:45.542
  • AND IT WAS REALLYINTERESTING BECAUSE I HAD
  • 00:08:45.542 --> 00:08:46.976
  • INTERESTING BECAUSE I HADSO MUCH SORROW AND DESPAIR
  • 00:08:46.976 --> 00:08:48.111
  • SO MUCH SORROW AND DESPAIRAND HOPELESSNESS IN MY
  • 00:08:48.111 --> 00:08:49.212
  • AND HOPELESSNESS IN MYHEART, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY
  • 00:08:49.212 --> 00:08:50.647
  • HEART, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYROOM FOR HATRED OR ANGER
  • 00:08:50.647 --> 00:08:52.448
  • ROOM FOR HATRED OR ANGEROR RESENTMENT TOWARDS THE
  • 00:08:52.448 --> 00:08:53.383
  • OR RESENTMENT TOWARDS THEPERSON WHO HAD MURDERED MY
  • 00:08:53.383 --> 00:08:54.284
  • PERSON WHO HAD MURDERED MYDAUGHTER.
  • 00:08:54.284 --> 00:08:55.952
  • DAUGHTER.AND JESUS CHRIST JUST GAVE
  • 00:08:55.952 --> 00:08:57.287
  • AND JESUS CHRIST JUST GAVEME A GIFT: HE GAVE ME THE
  • 00:08:57.287 --> 00:08:58.555
  • ME A GIFT: HE GAVE ME THEGIFT OF FORGIVENESS BEFORE
  • 00:08:58.555 --> 00:08:59.956
  • GIFT OF FORGIVENESS BEFOREI EVEN PRAYED FOR IT, AND
  • 00:08:59.956 --> 00:09:00.924
  • I EVEN PRAYED FOR IT, ANDSO I WAS ABLE TO FORGIVE,
  • 00:09:00.924 --> 00:09:02.191
  • SO I WAS ABLE TO FORGIVE,THROUGH THE POWER AND
  • 00:09:02.191 --> 00:09:02.892
  • THROUGH THE POWER ANDPRESENCE OF JESUS CHRIST,
  • 00:09:02.892 --> 00:09:04.160
  • PRESENCE OF JESUS CHRIST,THE MAN WHO MURDERED MY
  • 00:09:04.160 --> 00:09:04.961
  • THE MAN WHO MURDERED MYDAUGHTER, BEFORE I EVEN KNEW
  • 00:09:04.961 --> 00:09:07.330
  • DAUGHTER, BEFORE I EVEN KNEWWHO HE WAS.
  • 00:09:07.330 --> 00:09:07.931
  • WHO HE WAS.SO THEY ARRESTED HIM IN
  • 00:09:07.931 --> 00:09:09.899
  • SO THEY ARRESTED HIM INJUNE OF 2007, ABOUT A YEAR
  • 00:09:09.899 --> 00:09:10.700
  • JUNE OF 2007, ABOUT A YEARLATER, AND THEN, TWO YEARS
  • 00:09:10.700 --> 00:09:12.569
  • LATER, AND THEN, TWO YEARSLATER, THERE WAS A TRIAL
  • 00:09:12.569 --> 00:09:18.341
  • LATER, THERE WAS A TRIALIN A NEIGHBORING COUNTY SO--
  • 00:09:18.341 --> 00:09:19.242
  • IN A NEIGHBORING COUNTY SO--- ERIC: IT SEEMS
  • 00:09:19.242 --> 00:09:19.776
  • - ERIC: IT SEEMSOBVIOUS THAT, IN HIS
  • 00:09:19.776 --> 00:09:21.477
  • OBVIOUS THAT, IN HISUNFATHOMABLE MYSTERY, GOD
  • 00:09:21.477 --> 00:09:24.881
  • UNFATHOMABLE MYSTERY, GODPREPARED YOU IN YOUR OWN
  • 00:09:24.881 --> 00:09:27.617
  • PREPARED YOU IN YOUR OWNLIFE FOR THIS HORROR, THIS
  • 00:09:27.617 --> 00:09:32.322
  • LIFE FOR THIS HORROR, THISMYSTERY THAT LAY AHEAD.
  • 00:09:32.322 --> 00:09:33.656
  • MYSTERY THAT LAY AHEAD.HOW DOES-- YOU KNOW, I
  • 00:09:33.656 --> 00:09:34.757
  • HOW DOES-- YOU KNOW, ITHINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO
  • 00:09:34.757 --> 00:09:35.825
  • THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TOASK SOMEONE LIKE YOU,
  • 00:09:35.825 --> 00:09:37.860
  • ASK SOMEONE LIKE YOU,"HOW-- HOW IS THAT
  • 00:09:37.860 --> 00:09:38.428
  • "HOW-- HOW IS THATPOSSIBLE?"
  • 00:09:38.428 --> 00:09:39.228
  • POSSIBLE?"- TOM: THAT WAS A
  • 00:09:39.228 --> 00:09:40.163
  • - TOM: THAT WAS ASUPERNATURAL EVENT
  • 00:09:40.163 --> 00:09:41.898
  • SUPERNATURAL EVENTBECAUSE, AS I MENTIONED, I
  • 00:09:41.898 --> 00:09:43.333
  • BECAUSE, AS I MENTIONED, IJUST-- I MEAN, KNOWING ME,
  • 00:09:43.333 --> 00:09:44.400
  • JUST-- I MEAN, KNOWING ME,IF YOU KNEW ME BEFORE
  • 00:09:44.400 --> 00:09:45.335
  • IF YOU KNEW ME BEFORETHAT, YOU WOULD THINK,
  • 00:09:45.335 --> 00:09:46.970
  • THAT, YOU WOULD THINK,"THIS MAN IS VINDICTIVE,"
  • 00:09:46.970 --> 00:09:48.237
  • "THIS MAN IS VINDICTIVE,"YOU KNOW, "HE WOULD BE
  • 00:09:48.237 --> 00:09:49.439
  • YOU KNOW, "HE WOULD BERESENTFUL," "HE WOULD DO
  • 00:09:49.439 --> 00:09:50.139
  • RESENTFUL," "HE WOULD DOSOMETHING ABOUT THIS,"
  • 00:09:50.139 --> 00:09:51.207
  • SOMETHING ABOUT THIS,"BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S
  • 00:09:51.207 --> 00:09:52.008
  • BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'SSOMETHING I DIDN'T ASK
  • 00:09:52.008 --> 00:09:53.009
  • SOMETHING I DIDN'T ASKFOR, AND JESUS JUST GAVE
  • 00:09:53.009 --> 00:09:54.010
  • FOR, AND JESUS JUST GAVEME THAT GIFT.
  • 00:09:54.010 --> 00:09:56.546
  • ME THAT GIFT.I DON'T KNOW HOW TO
  • 00:09:56.546 --> 00:09:57.880
  • I DON'T KNOW HOW TOEXPLAIN IT, BUT HE JUST
  • 00:09:57.880 --> 00:09:58.414
  • EXPLAIN IT, BUT HE JUSTGAVE ME THAT GIFT OF
  • 00:09:58.414 --> 00:09:59.115
  • GAVE ME THAT GIFT OFFORGIVENESS BEFORE I EVEN
  • 00:09:59.115 --> 00:10:00.083
  • FORGIVENESS BEFORE I EVENASKED FOR IT.
  • 00:10:00.083 --> 00:10:02.151
  • ASKED FOR IT.IT WAS AN AMAZING PROCESS
  • 00:10:02.151 --> 00:10:03.453
  • IT WAS AN AMAZING PROCESSIN AND OF ITSELF.
  • 00:10:03.453 --> 00:10:05.054
  • IN AND OF ITSELF.I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A
  • 00:10:05.054 --> 00:10:07.223
  • I KNOW THAT THERE WAS ATRIAL IN A LOCAL COUNTY
  • 00:10:07.223 --> 00:10:08.992
  • TRIAL IN A LOCAL COUNTYTHERE, AN
  • 00:10:08.992 --> 00:10:10.293
  • THERE, ANAGGRAVATED-MURDER TRIAL.
  • 00:10:10.293 --> 00:10:11.527
  • AGGRAVATED-MURDER TRIAL.THE MAN-- HIS FIRST NAME
  • 00:10:11.527 --> 00:10:13.396
  • THE MAN-- HIS FIRST NAMEIS ROBERT-- HE PLED NOT
  • 00:10:13.396 --> 00:10:14.764
  • IS ROBERT-- HE PLED NOTGUILTY, AND SO THERE WAS A
  • 00:10:14.764 --> 00:10:15.965
  • GUILTY, AND SO THERE WAS ASIX-WEEK TRIAL, AND I
  • 00:10:15.965 --> 00:10:17.500
  • SIX-WEEK TRIAL, AND ISTAYED AWAY FROM THAT
  • 00:10:17.500 --> 00:10:18.635
  • STAYED AWAY FROM THATTRIAL BECAUSE I WAS A
  • 00:10:18.635 --> 00:10:20.036
  • TRIAL BECAUSE I WAS APRESIDING JUDGE IN WASHINGTON
  • 00:10:20.036 --> 00:10:20.803
  • PRESIDING JUDGE IN WASHINGTONCOUNTY AT THAT TIME.
  • 00:10:20.803 --> 00:10:21.771
  • COUNTY AT THAT TIME.I DIDN'T WANNA BE A
  • 00:10:21.771 --> 00:10:22.739
  • I DIDN'T WANNA BE ADISTRACTION THERE IN THE
  • 00:10:22.739 --> 00:10:23.640
  • DISTRACTION THERE IN THECOURTROOM, AND SO THE D.A.
  • 00:10:23.640 --> 00:10:25.008
  • COURTROOM, AND SO THE D.A.WOULD CALL ME EVERY NIGHT
  • 00:10:25.008 --> 00:10:25.808
  • WOULD CALL ME EVERY NIGHTAND TELL ME HOW THINGS
  • 00:10:25.808 --> 00:10:26.309
  • AND TELL ME HOW THINGSWERE GOING.
  • 00:10:26.309 --> 00:10:27.677
  • WERE GOING.I WAS ASKED TO COME AND
  • 00:10:27.677 --> 00:10:28.478
  • I WAS ASKED TO COME ANDTESTIFY THOUGH.
  • 00:10:28.478 --> 00:10:29.946
  • TESTIFY THOUGH.AFTER THE JURY FOUND HIM
  • 00:10:29.946 --> 00:10:31.047
  • AFTER THE JURY FOUND HIMGUILTY, I TESTIFIED AT THE
  • 00:10:31.047 --> 00:10:31.881
  • GUILTY, I TESTIFIED AT THESENTENCING PHASE OF THE
  • 00:10:31.881 --> 00:10:32.849
  • SENTENCING PHASE OF THETRIAL, AND SO I WAS ABLE
  • 00:10:32.849 --> 00:10:35.752
  • TRIAL, AND SO I WAS ABLETO GO AND TELL THE JURY
  • 00:10:35.752 --> 00:10:38.254
  • TO GO AND TELL THE JURYTHE IMPACT OF THE LOSS OF
  • 00:10:38.254 --> 00:10:39.656
  • THE IMPACT OF THE LOSS OFMY DAUGHTER ON MY FAMILY
  • 00:10:39.656 --> 00:10:40.923
  • MY DAUGHTER ON MY FAMILYAND ME, AND THEN STARTED TO
  • 00:10:40.923 --> 00:10:43.760
  • AND ME, AND THEN STARTED TOTALK TO ROBERT AND TELL
  • 00:10:43.760 --> 00:10:44.694
  • TALK TO ROBERT AND TELLHIM HOW I FELT ABOUT THAT,
  • 00:10:44.694 --> 00:10:46.329
  • HIM HOW I FELT ABOUT THAT,AND SO IT'S A VERY ODD
  • 00:10:46.329 --> 00:10:47.430
  • AND SO IT'S A VERY ODDCIRCUMSTANCE TO BE IN
  • 00:10:47.430 --> 00:10:48.831
  • CIRCUMSTANCE TO BE INWHEN YOU ARE A JUDGE
  • 00:10:48.831 --> 00:10:50.600
  • WHEN YOU ARE A JUDGEAND YOU'RE CALLED TO THE
  • 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:51.634
  • AND YOU'RE CALLED TO THEWITNESS STAND TO TESTIFY
  • 00:10:51.634 --> 00:10:52.335
  • WITNESS STAND TO TESTIFYIN YOUR DAUGHTER'S MURDER
  • 00:10:52.335 --> 00:10:56.172
  • IN YOUR DAUGHTER'S MURDERTRIAL.
  • 00:10:56.172 --> 00:10:57.206
  • TRIAL.- ERIC: YEAH, I MEAN,
  • 00:10:57.206 --> 00:10:58.141
  • - ERIC: YEAH, I MEAN,IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING
  • 00:10:58.141 --> 00:10:59.242
  • IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHINGOUT OF A MOVIE, BASICALLY.
  • 00:10:59.242 --> 00:11:00.443
  • OUT OF A MOVIE, BASICALLY.IT'S THAT LEVEL OF
  • 00:11:00.443 --> 00:11:04.681
  • IT'S THAT LEVEL OFHYPER-REALITY, SURREALITY.
  • 00:11:04.681 --> 00:11:08.651
  • HYPER-REALITY, SURREALITY.HOW DID YOUR FORGIVENESS
  • 00:11:08.651 --> 00:11:10.019
  • HOW DID YOUR FORGIVENESSOF HIM IN YOUR HEART
  • 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:11.487
  • OF HIM IN YOUR HEARTMANIFEST ITSELF WHEN YOU
  • 00:11:11.487 --> 00:11:14.557
  • MANIFEST ITSELF WHEN YOUDID TESTIFY, OR DID IT?
  • 00:11:14.557 --> 00:11:16.292
  • DID TESTIFY, OR DID IT?DID THAT COME INTO IT AT
  • 00:11:16.292 --> 00:11:20.430
  • - TOM: YEAH, IT DID.
  • 00:11:21.664 --> 00:11:22.265
  • - TOM: YEAH, IT DID.I WAS ABLE TO TALK ABOUT
  • 00:11:22.265 --> 00:11:22.999
  • I WAS ABLE TO TALK ABOUTTHE LOSS, AND THEN I WAS
  • 00:11:22.999 --> 00:11:24.067
  • THE LOSS, AND THEN I WASABLE TO SPEAK TO ROBERT
  • 00:11:24.067 --> 00:11:27.704
  • AND I TOLD HIM--
  • 00:11:28.671 --> 00:11:29.305
  • AND I TOLD HIM--ESSENTIALLY, I SAID, YOU
  • 00:11:29.305 --> 00:11:29.972
  • ESSENTIALLY, I SAID, YOUKNOW, "ROBERT, YOU'RE
  • 00:11:29.972 --> 00:11:30.506
  • KNOW, "ROBERT, YOU'REGONNA HAVE TO MAKE A
  • 00:11:30.506 --> 00:11:31.374
  • GONNA HAVE TO MAKE ACHOICE ONE OF THESE DAYS.
  • 00:11:31.374 --> 00:11:32.008
  • CHOICE ONE OF THESE DAYS.YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE
  • 00:11:32.008 --> 00:11:32.709
  • YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKEA CHOICE BETWEEN HEAVEN
  • 00:11:32.709 --> 00:11:33.443
  • A CHOICE BETWEEN HEAVENAND HELL, AND THERE IS AN
  • 00:11:33.443 --> 00:11:34.644
  • AND HELL, AND THERE IS ANETERNITY, AND I HOPE YOU
  • 00:11:34.644 --> 00:11:36.079
  • ETERNITY, AND I HOPE YOUMAKE THAT RIGHT CHOICE AND
  • 00:11:36.079 --> 00:11:37.880
  • MAKE THAT RIGHT CHOICE ANDCHOOSE GOD."
  • 00:11:37.880 --> 00:11:39.482
  • CHOOSE GOD."AND THEN I TOLD HIM,
  • 00:11:39.482 --> 00:11:40.116
  • AND THEN I TOLD HIM,I SAID, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:11:40.116 --> 00:11:41.384
  • I SAID, YOU KNOW,"I FORGAVE YOU BEFORE I
  • 00:11:41.384 --> 00:11:42.085
  • "I FORGAVE YOU BEFORE IEVEN KNEW YOUR NAME,
  • 00:11:42.085 --> 00:11:43.486
  • EVEN KNEW YOUR NAME,AND IT WAS ONLY
  • 00:11:43.486 --> 00:11:44.053
  • AND IT WAS ONLYTHROUGH THE POWER AND
  • 00:11:44.053 --> 00:11:45.221
  • THROUGH THE POWER ANDPRESENCE OF JESUS IN MY
  • 00:11:45.221 --> 00:11:45.855
  • PRESENCE OF JESUS IN MYLIFE THAT I WAS ABLE TO
  • 00:11:45.855 --> 00:11:46.522
  • LIFE THAT I WAS ABLE TOFORGIVE YOU."
  • 00:11:46.522 --> 00:11:48.057
  • FORGIVE YOU."AT THE END OF THAT TESTIMONY,
  • 00:11:48.057 --> 00:11:49.125
  • AT THE END OF THAT TESTIMONY,I WAS CRYING.
  • 00:11:49.125 --> 00:11:51.394
  • I WAS CRYING.ROBERT WAS CRYING, AND
  • 00:11:51.394 --> 00:11:52.462
  • ROBERT WAS CRYING, ANDSEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE
  • 00:11:52.462 --> 00:11:53.896
  • SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THEJURY WERE CRYING.
  • 00:11:53.896 --> 00:11:55.598
  • JURY WERE CRYING.AND SO, AFTER THAT, HE WAS
  • 00:11:55.598 --> 00:11:57.467
  • AND SO, AFTER THAT, HE WASSENTENCED TO LIFE IN
  • 00:11:57.467 --> 00:11:58.534
  • SENTENCED TO LIFE INPRISON WITHOUT THE
  • 00:11:58.534 --> 00:11:59.535
  • PRISON WITHOUT THEPOSSIBILITY OF PAROLE, AND
  • 00:11:59.535 --> 00:12:00.636
  • POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE, ANDTHAT'S WHERE THE BOOK
  • 00:12:00.636 --> 00:12:03.539
  • THAT'S WHERE THE BOOKCOMES INTO PLAY ON THAT SO--
  • 00:12:03.539 --> 00:12:04.040
  • COMES INTO PLAY ON THAT SO--- ERIC: WELL, HOW
  • 00:12:04.040 --> 00:12:05.007
  • - ERIC: WELL, HOWDID THIS AFFECT YOU AS A
  • 00:12:05.007 --> 00:12:06.342
  • DID THIS AFFECT YOU AS AJUDGE?
  • 00:12:06.342 --> 00:12:07.443
  • JUDGE?AND I KNOW YOU FOUNDED A
  • 00:12:07.443 --> 00:12:08.578
  • AND I KNOW YOU FOUNDED ANONPROFIT ORGANIZATION
  • 00:12:08.578 --> 00:12:09.779
  • NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONRECENTLY, TWO YEARS AGO,
  • 00:12:09.779 --> 00:12:11.013
  • RECENTLY, TWO YEARS AGO,CALLED PAID IN FULL
  • 00:12:11.013 --> 00:12:12.448
  • CALLED PAID IN FULLOREGON, SO LET'S TALK A
  • 00:12:12.448 --> 00:12:14.851
  • OREGON, SO LET'S TALK ALITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT
  • 00:12:14.851 --> 00:12:16.619
  • LITTLE BIT ABOUT THATBECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY
  • 00:12:16.619 --> 00:12:18.087
  • BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANYPEOPLE IN PRISONS WHO HAVE
  • 00:12:18.087 --> 00:12:18.755
  • PEOPLE IN PRISONS WHO HAVENO HOPE.
  • 00:12:18.755 --> 00:12:19.889
  • NO HOPE.THEY'RE JUST DOING TIME.
  • 00:12:19.889 --> 00:12:22.125
  • THEY'RE JUST DOING TIME.SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN
  • 00:12:22.125 --> 00:12:24.026
  • SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED INYOUR LIFE WITH REGARD TO THEM?
  • 00:12:24.026 --> 00:12:25.294
  • YOUR LIFE WITH REGARD TO THEM?- TOM: YEAH, SO THE BOOK
  • 00:12:25.294 --> 00:12:27.463
  • - TOM: YEAH, SO THE BOOKBEGAN THAT PROCESS.
  • 00:12:27.463 --> 00:12:29.065
  • BEGAN THAT PROCESS.I FELT GOD WAS CALLING ME
  • 00:12:29.065 --> 00:12:30.399
  • I FELT GOD WAS CALLING METO WRITE A BOOK ABOUT
  • 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.136
  • TO WRITE A BOOK ABOUTMEGAN, AND SO I BEGAN THAT
  • 00:12:33.136 --> 00:12:34.637
  • MEGAN, AND SO I BEGAN THATPROCESS OF WRITING THE
  • 00:12:34.637 --> 00:12:35.638
  • PROCESS OF WRITING THEBOOK, AND I ENDED UP
  • 00:12:35.638 --> 00:12:37.173
  • BOOK, AND I ENDED UPFINISHING THE BOOK IN
  • 00:12:37.173 --> 00:12:38.808
  • FINISHING THE BOOK INNOVEMBER.
  • 00:12:38.808 --> 00:12:39.642
  • NOVEMBER.IT WAS PUBLISHED IN
  • 00:12:39.642 --> 00:12:40.777
  • IT WAS PUBLISHED INNOVEMBER OF 2012.
  • 00:12:40.777 --> 00:12:44.847
  • NOVEMBER OF 2012.WHAT HAPPENED WAS, WHEN I
  • 00:12:44.847 --> 00:12:46.449
  • WHAT HAPPENED WAS, WHEN IFINISHED WRITING THE BOOK,
  • 00:12:46.449 --> 00:12:47.884
  • FINISHED WRITING THE BOOK,I THOUGHT I WAS DONE, BUT
  • 00:12:47.884 --> 00:12:48.518
  • I THOUGHT I WAS DONE, BUTGOD WANTED ME TO WRITE ONE
  • 00:12:48.518 --> 00:12:49.552
  • GOD WANTED ME TO WRITE ONEMORE CHAPTER.
  • 00:12:49.552 --> 00:12:50.153
  • MORE CHAPTER.HE WANTED ME TO GO VISIT
  • 00:12:50.153 --> 00:12:51.220
  • HE WANTED ME TO GO VISITROBERT IN PRISON.
  • 00:12:51.220 --> 00:12:53.356
  • ROBERT IN PRISON.AND SO THAT WAS THE FIRST
  • 00:12:53.356 --> 00:12:54.223
  • AND SO THAT WAS THE FIRSTTIME I HAD EVER BEEN IN
  • 00:12:54.223 --> 00:12:55.758
  • TIME I HAD EVER BEEN INPRISON, AND HE, ROBERT,
  • 00:12:55.758 --> 00:12:57.026
  • PRISON, AND HE, ROBERT,WAS SERVING IN EASTERN
  • 00:12:57.026 --> 00:12:57.693
  • WAS SERVING IN EASTERNOREGON, SERVING SOME
  • 00:12:57.693 --> 00:12:58.995
  • OREGON, SERVING SOMETIME-- OR BEGAN HIS
  • 00:12:58.995 --> 00:12:59.962
  • TIME-- OR BEGAN HISSENTENCE THERE IN EASTERN
  • 00:12:59.962 --> 00:13:00.897
  • SENTENCE THERE IN EASTERNOREGON, AND SO, I WENT,
  • 00:13:00.897 --> 00:13:04.066
  • OREGON, AND SO, I WENT,AND I WENT IN TO THE PRISON.
  • 00:13:04.066 --> 00:13:05.535
  • AND I WENT IN TO THE PRISON.I HAD AN HOUR TO BE WITH HIM.
  • 00:13:05.535 --> 00:13:07.270
  • I HAD AN HOUR TO BE WITH HIM.WE HAD A CONFERENCE ROOM.
  • 00:13:07.270 --> 00:13:08.204
  • WE HAD A CONFERENCE ROOM.IT WAS ONLY THROUGH A
  • 00:13:08.204 --> 00:13:09.305
  • IT WAS ONLY THROUGH ASERIES OF MIRACLES THAT I
  • 00:13:09.305 --> 00:13:10.473
  • SERIES OF MIRACLES THAT IWAS ABLE TO MEET WITH HIM
  • 00:13:10.473 --> 00:13:11.340
  • WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH HIMIN THE FIRST PLACE, YOU
  • 00:13:11.340 --> 00:13:14.277
  • IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOUKNOW, A SITTING JUDGE
  • 00:13:14.277 --> 00:13:15.945
  • KNOW, A SITTING JUDGECOMING IN, WHO'S IN A
  • 00:13:15.945 --> 00:13:17.146
  • COMING IN, WHO'S IN AMEETING WITH THE MAN WHO
  • 00:13:17.146 --> 00:13:17.713
  • MEETING WITH THE MAN WHOMURDERED HIS DAUGHTER.
  • 00:13:17.713 --> 00:13:18.681
  • MURDERED HIS DAUGHTER.THERE WERE JUST SO MANY
  • 00:13:18.681 --> 00:13:19.515
  • THERE WERE JUST SO MANYRULES AND REGULATIONS THAT
  • 00:13:19.515 --> 00:13:20.650
  • RULES AND REGULATIONS THATWOULD'VE PROHIBITED THAT,
  • 00:13:20.650 --> 00:13:22.084
  • WOULD'VE PROHIBITED THAT,BUT GOD GOT RID OF ALL OF
  • 00:13:22.084 --> 00:13:22.718
  • BUT GOD GOT RID OF ALL OFTHOSE, AND SO WE HAD A
  • 00:13:22.718 --> 00:13:24.253
  • THOSE, AND SO WE HAD ACHANCE TO MEET FOR AN
  • 00:13:24.253 --> 00:13:25.621
  • CHANCE TO MEET FOR ANHOUR, AND I BEGAN SPEAKING
  • 00:13:25.621 --> 00:13:27.223
  • HOUR, AND I BEGAN SPEAKINGWITH HIM, AND I TALKED TO
  • 00:13:27.223 --> 00:13:28.391
  • WITH HIM, AND I TALKED TOHIM, AND WE WEREN'T
  • 00:13:28.391 --> 00:13:29.525
  • HIM, AND WE WEREN'TALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THE
  • 00:13:29.525 --> 00:13:30.126
  • ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THECASE BECAUSE HE WAS
  • 00:13:30.126 --> 00:13:31.294
  • CASE BECAUSE HE WASAPPEALING IT, AND SO I
  • 00:13:31.294 --> 00:13:32.528
  • APPEALING IT, AND SO IBEGAN AT 1:30, SPOKE WITH
  • 00:13:32.528 --> 00:13:34.130
  • BEGAN AT 1:30, SPOKE WITHHIM FOR A FEW MINUTES,
  • 00:13:34.130 --> 00:13:35.331
  • HIM FOR A FEW MINUTES,LOOKED UP AT THE CLOCK.
  • 00:13:35.331 --> 00:13:36.299
  • LOOKED UP AT THE CLOCK.IT WAS 1:35.
  • 00:13:36.299 --> 00:13:38.034
  • IT WAS 1:35.BEGAN TO ASK SOME MORE
  • 00:13:38.034 --> 00:13:38.801
  • BEGAN TO ASK SOME MOREQUESTIONS.
  • 00:13:38.801 --> 00:13:39.635
  • QUESTIONS.HE HAD A DAUGHTER.
  • 00:13:39.635 --> 00:13:40.570
  • HE HAD A DAUGHTER.I ASKED ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER.
  • 00:13:40.570 --> 00:13:42.538
  • I ASKED ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER.AND I WAS DONE WITH ASKING
  • 00:13:42.538 --> 00:13:44.640
  • AND I WAS DONE WITH ASKINGHIM QUESTIONS.
  • 00:13:44.640 --> 00:13:45.308
  • HIM QUESTIONS.I WAS DONE WITH THE
  • 00:13:45.308 --> 00:13:46.075
  • I WAS DONE WITH THECONVERSATION.
  • 00:13:46.075 --> 00:13:46.676
  • CONVERSATION.I WAS DONE.
  • 00:13:46.676 --> 00:13:47.610
  • I WAS DONE.I WAS PHYSICALLY
  • 00:13:47.610 --> 00:13:48.811
  • I WAS PHYSICALLYEXHAUSTED, EMOTIONALLY
  • 00:13:48.811 --> 00:13:49.946
  • EXHAUSTED, EMOTIONALLYSPENT, AND I LOOKED AT THE
  • 00:13:49.946 --> 00:13:52.114
  • SPENT, AND I LOOKED AT THECLOCK, AND IT WAS 1:45.
  • 00:13:52.114 --> 00:13:52.949
  • CLOCK, AND IT WAS 1:45.AND SO WE STILL HAD 45
  • 00:13:52.949 --> 00:13:55.618
  • AND SO WE STILL HAD 45MINUTES TO SPEND IF I
  • 00:13:55.618 --> 00:13:57.887
  • MINUTES TO SPEND IF IDECIDED TO DO THAT, AND SO
  • 00:13:57.887 --> 00:14:01.591
  • DECIDED TO DO THAT, AND SOI ASKED ROBERT-- I JUST
  • 00:14:01.591 --> 00:14:02.625
  • I ASKED ROBERT-- I JUSTFELT GOD PROMPTING ME.
  • 00:14:02.625 --> 00:14:03.960
  • FELT GOD PROMPTING ME.I ASKED ROBERT, I SAID,
  • 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:04.760
  • I ASKED ROBERT, I SAID,"DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
  • 00:14:04.760 --> 00:14:05.428
  • "DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONSFOR ME?"
  • 00:14:05.428 --> 00:14:06.829
  • FOR ME?"AND HE LOOKED AT ME, AND
  • 00:14:06.829 --> 00:14:08.130
  • AND HE LOOKED AT ME, ANDHE BOWED HIS HEAD, AND HE
  • 00:14:08.130 --> 00:14:10.933
  • HE BOWED HIS HEAD, AND HESTARTED TO CRY, AND HE
  • 00:14:10.933 --> 00:14:14.737
  • STARTED TO CRY, AND HESAID, "I'M SORRY."
  • 00:14:14.737 --> 00:14:15.404
  • SAID, "I'M SORRY."AND I KNEW HE WAS REFERRING
  • 00:14:15.404 --> 00:14:15.938
  • AND I KNEW HE WAS REFERRINGTO THE FACT THAT HE
  • 00:14:15.938 --> 00:14:16.539
  • TO THE FACT THAT HEHAD MURDERED MY DAUGHTER
  • 00:14:16.539 --> 00:14:18.507
  • HAD MURDERED MY DAUGHTERAND THAT WE COULDN'T
  • 00:14:18.507 --> 00:14:19.408
  • AND THAT WE COULDN'TTALK ABOUT THE CASE,
  • 00:14:19.408 --> 00:14:20.343
  • TALK ABOUT THE CASE,BUT I KNEW WHAT HE WAS
  • 00:14:20.343 --> 00:14:21.110
  • BUT I KNEW WHAT HE WASREFERRING TO,
  • 00:14:21.110 --> 00:14:22.044
  • REFERRING TO,AND THEN HE SAID, "HOW CAN
  • 00:14:22.044 --> 00:14:23.012
  • AND THEN HE SAID, "HOW CANYOU BE SO KIND TO ME?"
  • 00:14:23.012 --> 00:14:24.113
  • YOU BE SO KIND TO ME?"AND, AT THAT POINT THEN, I
  • 00:14:24.113 --> 00:14:25.181
  • AND, AT THAT POINT THEN, IKNEW EXACTLY WHERE I
  • 00:14:25.181 --> 00:14:26.749
  • KNEW EXACTLY WHERE INEEDED TO GO, WHERE GOD
  • 00:14:26.749 --> 00:14:27.717
  • NEEDED TO GO, WHERE GODWANTED ME TO GO, BECAUSE
  • 00:14:27.717 --> 00:14:29.018
  • WANTED ME TO GO, BECAUSETHE NEXT 45 MINUTES FLEW
  • 00:14:29.018 --> 00:14:30.186
  • THE NEXT 45 MINUTES FLEWBY IN A FLASH, AND I WAS
  • 00:14:30.186 --> 00:14:31.888
  • BY IN A FLASH, AND I WASABLE TO BRING THE GOSPEL
  • 00:14:31.888 --> 00:14:33.556
  • ABLE TO BRING THE GOSPELMESSAGE TO HIM AND TALK
  • 00:14:33.556 --> 00:14:34.857
  • MESSAGE TO HIM AND TALKABOUT JESUS CHRIST AND
  • 00:14:34.857 --> 00:14:36.325
  • ABOUT JESUS CHRIST ANDTHAT PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP
  • 00:14:36.325 --> 00:14:37.827
  • THAT PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPIN REVELATION 3:20, WHERE
  • 00:14:37.827 --> 00:14:40.830
  • IN REVELATION 3:20, WHEREJESUS IS OUTSIDE, KNOCKING
  • 00:14:40.830 --> 00:14:42.131
  • JESUS IS OUTSIDE, KNOCKINGON THE DOOR AND SAYING,
  • 00:14:42.131 --> 00:14:43.266
  • ON THE DOOR AND SAYING,"IF YOU OPEN THE DOOR AND
  • 00:14:43.266 --> 00:14:43.933
  • "IF YOU OPEN THE DOOR ANDLET ME COME IN, I'LL COME
  • 00:14:43.933 --> 00:14:45.134
  • LET ME COME IN, I'LL COMEIN AND DINE WITH YOU, AND
  • 00:14:45.134 --> 00:14:45.968
  • IN AND DINE WITH YOU, ANDYOU WITH ME," AND THAT WAS
  • 00:14:45.968 --> 00:14:47.970
  • YOU WITH ME," AND THAT WASJESUS'S PERSONAL
  • 00:14:47.970 --> 00:14:48.971
  • JESUS'S PERSONALINVITATION TO HAVE A
  • 00:14:48.971 --> 00:14:50.539
  • INVITATION TO HAVE ARELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
  • 00:14:50.539 --> 00:14:51.841
  • RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.AND SO, IN THE END, I WAS
  • 00:14:51.841 --> 00:14:53.109
  • AND SO, IN THE END, I WASABLE TO PRAY FOR HIM, AND
  • 00:14:53.109 --> 00:14:56.178
  • ABLE TO PRAY FOR HIM, ANDHE LEFT THE ROOM AT 2:30.
  • 00:14:56.178 --> 00:14:57.280
  • HE LEFT THE ROOM AT 2:30.WE FILLED UP THAT FULL
  • 00:14:57.280 --> 00:14:58.481
  • WE FILLED UP THAT FULLHOUR, AND IT WAS JUST AN
  • 00:14:58.481 --> 00:14:59.515
  • HOUR, AND IT WAS JUST ANAMAZING, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:14:59.515 --> 00:15:02.084
  • AMAZING, YOU KNOW,EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:15:02.084 --> 00:15:02.652
  • EXPERIENCE.GOD CAME CRASHING DOWN
  • 00:15:02.652 --> 00:15:03.920
  • GOD CAME CRASHING DOWNTHROUGH THE WALLS OF THE
  • 00:15:03.920 --> 00:15:04.887
  • THROUGH THE WALLS OF THEPRISON THERE.
  • 00:15:04.887 --> 00:15:05.988
  • PRISON THERE.- ERIC: YEAH, WELL, WHAT
  • 00:15:05.988 --> 00:15:08.224
  • - ERIC: YEAH, WELL, WHATCOULD BE MORE BEAUTIFUL
  • 00:15:08.224 --> 00:15:09.692
  • COULD BE MORE BEAUTIFULTHAN THE IDEA THAT THIS
  • 00:15:09.692 --> 00:15:11.027
  • THAN THE IDEA THAT THISMAN WHO'S KILLED YOUR
  • 00:15:11.027 --> 00:15:12.461
  • MAN WHO'S KILLED YOURDAUGHTER IS SITTING THERE
  • 00:15:12.461 --> 00:15:13.562
  • DAUGHTER IS SITTING THEREIN TEARS AND SAYING, "HOW
  • 00:15:13.562 --> 00:15:15.631
  • IN TEARS AND SAYING, "HOWCAN YOU BE SO KIND TO ME?"
  • 00:15:15.631 --> 00:15:19.435
  • CAN YOU BE SO KIND TO ME?"THAT, ITSELF, SO MOVING
  • 00:15:19.435 --> 00:15:21.570
  • THAT, ITSELF, SO MOVINGBECAUSE IT ECHOES IN ALL
  • 00:15:21.570 --> 00:15:22.905
  • BECAUSE IT ECHOES IN ALLOF OUR HEARTS, "HOW CAN
  • 00:15:22.905 --> 00:15:24.240
  • OF OUR HEARTS, "HOW CANGOD BE SO KIND TO US?"
  • 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:25.508
  • GOD BE SO KIND TO US?"- TOM: RIGHT, YEAH.
  • 00:15:25.508 --> 00:15:28.210
  • - TOM: RIGHT, YEAH.- ERIC: IT HITS US, "HOW
  • 00:15:28.210 --> 00:15:30.546
  • - ERIC: IT HITS US, "HOWCAN YOU BE SO KIND TO US?"
  • 00:15:30.546 --> 00:15:32.748
  • CAN YOU BE SO KIND TO US?"AND IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL
  • 00:15:32.748 --> 00:15:33.916
  • AND IT'S JUST A WONDERFULTHING, SO I WANNA CONTINUE
  • 00:15:33.916 --> 00:15:37.320
  • THING, SO I WANNA CONTINUETHIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU.
  • 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:38.254
  • THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU.IS THERE A WEBSITE
  • 00:15:38.254 --> 00:15:40.156
  • IS THERE A WEBSITEPAIDINFULLOREGON.ORG?
  • 00:15:40.156 --> 00:15:40.823
  • PAIDINFULLOREGON.ORG?- TOM: THAT'S IT.
  • 00:15:40.823 --> 00:15:41.991
  • - TOM: THAT'S IT.- ERIC: OKAY, FOLKS GO TO
  • 00:15:41.991 --> 00:15:45.027
  • - ERIC: OKAY, FOLKS GO TOPAIDINFULLOREGON.ORG, AND
  • 00:15:45.027 --> 00:15:47.630
  • PAIDINFULLOREGON.ORG, ANDWE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH
  • 00:15:47.630 --> 00:15:49.732
  • WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITHJUDGE TOM KOHL.
  • 00:15:49.732 --> 00:15:52.969
  • - [MUSIC]
  • 00:15:59.240 --> 00:15:59.840
  • - [MUSIC]- ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, I'M
  • 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:00.341
  • - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, I'MHAVING A WONDERFUL
  • 00:16:00.341 --> 00:16:00.975
  • HAVING A WONDERFULCONVERSATION WITH
  • 00:16:00.975 --> 00:16:02.343
  • CONVERSATION WITHJUDGE TOM KOHL, WHO'S
  • 00:16:02.343 --> 00:16:04.745
  • FINDING HOPE, COMFORT AND
  • 00:16:07.515 --> 00:16:08.182
  • FINDING HOPE, COMFORT ANDFORGIVENESS IN THE MIDST
  • 00:16:08.182 --> 00:16:11.085
  • FORGIVENESS IN THE MIDSTOF MURDER,"
  • 00:16:11.085 --> 00:16:11.652
  • OF MURDER,"AND WHO'S FOUNDED THIS
  • 00:16:11.652 --> 00:16:12.286
  • AND WHO'S FOUNDED THISNONPROFIT WE'RE DISCUSSING
  • 00:16:12.286 --> 00:16:12.787
  • NONPROFIT WE'RE DISCUSSINGNOW CALLED
  • 00:16:12.787 --> 00:16:13.454
  • NOW CALLED"PAID IN FULL OREGON,"
  • 00:16:13.454 --> 00:16:14.522
  • "PAID IN FULL OREGON,"AND THE WEBSITE IS
  • 00:16:14.522 --> 00:16:17.591
  • AND THE WEBSITE ISPAIDINFULLOREGON.ORG.
  • 00:16:17.591 --> 00:16:18.192
  • PAIDINFULLOREGON.ORG.SO WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT
  • 00:16:18.192 --> 00:16:19.760
  • SO WHAT HAPPENED AT THATPOINT?
  • 00:16:19.760 --> 00:16:20.594
  • POINT?BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUNDED
  • 00:16:20.594 --> 00:16:21.896
  • BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUNDEDTHIS NONPROFIT
  • 00:16:21.896 --> 00:16:23.264
  • - TOM: YEAH, SO I THOUGHT
  • 00:16:25.333 --> 00:16:26.000
  • - TOM: YEAH, SO I THOUGHTI WAS WRITING THE BOOK FOR
  • 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:26.801
  • I WAS WRITING THE BOOK FORPARENTS WHO HAD LOST
  • 00:16:26.801 --> 00:16:27.702
  • PARENTS WHO HAD LOSTCHILDREN THROUGH TRAGIC
  • 00:16:27.702 --> 00:16:29.403
  • CHILDREN THROUGH TRAGICCIRCUMSTANCES OR LOVED
  • 00:16:29.403 --> 00:16:30.972
  • CIRCUMSTANCES OR LOVEDONES THROUGH TRAGIC
  • 00:16:30.972 --> 00:16:34.241
  • YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF
  • 00:16:35.409 --> 00:16:36.043
  • YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OFGOD'S PURPOSE, BUT ANOTHER
  • 00:16:36.043 --> 00:16:36.644
  • GOD'S PURPOSE, BUT ANOTHERPURPOSE GOD HAD FOR THAT
  • 00:16:36.644 --> 00:16:37.244
  • PURPOSE GOD HAD FOR THATBOOK WAS THAT IT BECAME
  • 00:16:37.244 --> 00:16:38.879
  • BOOK WAS THAT IT BECAMETHE KEY THAT OPENED THE
  • 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:39.747
  • THE KEY THAT OPENED THEDOOR FOR ME TO SPEAK IN
  • 00:16:39.747 --> 00:16:40.815
  • DOOR FOR ME TO SPEAK INTHE PRISONS, AND SO I
  • 00:16:40.815 --> 00:16:41.882
  • THE PRISONS, AND SO ISTARTED SPEAKING IN
  • 00:16:41.882 --> 00:16:43.284
  • STARTED SPEAKING INPRISONS IN OREGON ABOUT
  • 00:16:43.284 --> 00:16:46.220
  • PRISONS IN OREGON ABOUTJESUS CHRIST, FORGIVENESS,
  • 00:16:46.220 --> 00:16:47.688
  • JESUS CHRIST, FORGIVENESS,HOPE, AND COMFORT, AND I
  • 00:16:47.688 --> 00:16:48.956
  • HOPE, AND COMFORT, AND ITRAVELED AROUND SEVERAL
  • 00:16:48.956 --> 00:16:49.557
  • TRAVELED AROUND SEVERALPRISONS IN OREGON.
  • 00:16:49.557 --> 00:16:51.759
  • PRISONS IN OREGON.THEN I WENT TO WASHINGTON,
  • 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:53.060
  • THEN I WENT TO WASHINGTON,AND THEN I STARTED TRAVELING
  • 00:16:53.060 --> 00:16:53.828
  • AND THEN I STARTED TRAVELINGAROUND THE COUNTRY.
  • 00:16:53.828 --> 00:16:54.929
  • AROUND THE COUNTRY.I WOULD CONTACT PRISONS,
  • 00:16:54.929 --> 00:16:55.496
  • I WOULD CONTACT PRISONS,"HEY, I WANNA COME AND
  • 00:16:55.496 --> 00:16:56.364
  • "HEY, I WANNA COME ANDTALK TO THE INMATES AND
  • 00:16:56.364 --> 00:16:56.998
  • TALK TO THE INMATES ANDGIVE THEM A MESSAGE OF
  • 00:16:56.998 --> 00:16:58.065
  • GIVE THEM A MESSAGE OFHOPE," AND THEY STARTED
  • 00:16:58.065 --> 00:17:00.001
  • HOPE," AND THEY STARTEDINVITING ME.
  • 00:17:00.001 --> 00:17:01.202
  • INVITING ME.I ENDED UP FINDING OUT
  • 00:17:01.202 --> 00:17:01.969
  • I ENDED UP FINDING OUTABOUT A PRISON IN
  • 00:17:01.969 --> 00:17:03.804
  • ABOUT A PRISON INLOUISIANA CALLED ANGOLA
  • 00:17:03.804 --> 00:17:04.672
  • LOUISIANA CALLED ANGOLAPRISON, AND I CALLED
  • 00:17:04.672 --> 00:17:06.273
  • PRISON, AND I CALLEDBURL CAIN.
  • 00:17:06.273 --> 00:17:06.941
  • BURL CAIN.HE HAD NO IDEA WHO I WAS.
  • 00:17:06.941 --> 00:17:07.842
  • HE HAD NO IDEA WHO I WAS.I CALLED AND LEFT A
  • 00:17:07.842 --> 00:17:08.676
  • I CALLED AND LEFT AMESSAGE ON HIS PHONE.
  • 00:17:08.676 --> 00:17:09.643
  • MESSAGE ON HIS PHONE.I SAID, "HEY, THIS IS
  • 00:17:09.643 --> 00:17:11.212
  • I SAID, "HEY, THIS ISJUDGE KOHL FROM OREGON.
  • 00:17:11.212 --> 00:17:11.979
  • JUDGE KOHL FROM OREGON.I'D LOVE TO COME DOWN AND
  • 00:17:11.979 --> 00:17:13.881
  • I'D LOVE TO COME DOWN ANDTALK TO THE MEN THERE IN
  • 00:17:13.881 --> 00:17:15.249
  • TALK TO THE MEN THERE INYOUR PRISON."
  • 00:17:15.249 --> 00:17:16.083
  • YOUR PRISON."AND I NEVER THOUGHT HE'D
  • 00:17:16.083 --> 00:17:16.484
  • AND I NEVER THOUGHT HE'DCALL BACK,
  • 00:17:16.484 --> 00:17:17.318
  • CALL BACK,BUT HE DID, LIKE, THREE
  • 00:17:17.318 --> 00:17:18.886
  • BUT HE DID, LIKE, THREEDAYS LATER, AND HE SAID,
  • 00:17:18.886 --> 00:17:19.620
  • DAYS LATER, AND HE SAID,"JUDGE, COME ON DOWN."
  • 00:17:19.620 --> 00:17:20.721
  • "JUDGE, COME ON DOWN."AND HE SAID, "BRING YOUR
  • 00:17:20.721 --> 00:17:22.823
  • AND HE SAID, "BRING YOURWIFE WITH YA."
  • 00:17:22.823 --> 00:17:23.724
  • WIFE WITH YA."AND SO MY WIFE LOOKED UP ON
  • 00:17:23.724 --> 00:17:24.658
  • AND SO MY WIFE LOOKED UP ONTHE INTERNET ABOUT ANGOLA,
  • 00:17:24.658 --> 00:17:25.493
  • THE INTERNET ABOUT ANGOLA,AND IT'S AN AMAZING PLACE.
  • 00:17:25.493 --> 00:17:26.927
  • AND IT'S AN AMAZING PLACE.I MEAN, IT SITS ON 18.000
  • 00:17:26.927 --> 00:17:29.063
  • I MEAN, IT SITS ON 18.000ACRES.
  • 00:17:29.063 --> 00:17:30.131
  • ACRES.IT'S SURROUNDED BY THE
  • 00:17:30.131 --> 00:17:31.065
  • IT'S SURROUNDED BY THEMISSISSIPPI RIVER ON THREE
  • 00:17:31.065 --> 00:17:31.899
  • MISSISSIPPI RIVER ON THREESIDES.
  • 00:17:31.899 --> 00:17:34.268
  • SIDES.IT USED TO BE THE
  • 00:17:34.268 --> 00:17:35.369
  • IT USED TO BE THEBLOODIEST, MOST VIOLENT
  • 00:17:35.369 --> 00:17:36.337
  • BLOODIEST, MOST VIOLENTMAXIMUM-SECURITY PRISON IN
  • 00:17:36.337 --> 00:17:38.272
  • MAXIMUM-SECURITY PRISON INTHE UNITED STATES UNTIL
  • 00:17:38.272 --> 00:17:39.707
  • THE UNITED STATES UNTILBURL CAIN CAME THERE IN 1995.
  • 00:17:39.707 --> 00:17:41.575
  • BURL CAIN CAME THERE IN 1995.HE INVITED THE NEW ORLEANS
  • 00:17:41.575 --> 00:17:42.777
  • HE INVITED THE NEW ORLEANSBAPTIST THEOLOGICAL
  • 00:17:42.777 --> 00:17:43.444
  • BAPTIST THEOLOGICALSEMINARY TO COME IN AND
  • 00:17:43.444 --> 00:17:44.512
  • SEMINARY TO COME IN ANDSET UP A SEMINARY THERE,
  • 00:17:44.512 --> 00:17:45.846
  • SET UP A SEMINARY THERE,AND IT CHANGED THE WHOLE
  • 00:17:45.846 --> 00:17:47.415
  • AND IT CHANGED THE WHOLECULTURE OF THE PRISON.
  • 00:17:47.415 --> 00:17:48.349
  • CULTURE OF THE PRISON.THEY HAD AROUND 5.000
  • 00:17:48.349 --> 00:17:49.116
  • THEY HAD AROUND 5.000INMATES THERE.
  • 00:17:49.116 --> 00:17:50.618
  • INMATES THERE.THEY HAD A MAIN PRISON AND
  • 00:17:50.618 --> 00:17:51.719
  • THEY HAD A MAIN PRISON ANDFIVE SATELLITE PRISONS ON
  • 00:17:51.719 --> 00:17:53.654
  • FIVE SATELLITE PRISONS ONTHE GROUNDS, AND IT JUST--
  • 00:17:53.654 --> 00:17:55.322
  • THE GROUNDS, AND IT JUST--IT WAS AMAZING WHAT IT HAD
  • 00:17:55.322 --> 00:17:56.857
  • IT WAS AMAZING WHAT IT HADDONE, AND IT CHANGED MY LIFE.
  • 00:17:56.857 --> 00:17:59.927
  • DONE, AND IT CHANGED MY LIFE.IT CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE.
  • 00:17:59.927 --> 00:18:00.995
  • IT CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE.I KNEW WHAT GOD WANTED ME
  • 00:18:00.995 --> 00:18:02.163
  • I KNEW WHAT GOD WANTED METO-- I SENSED WHAT GOD
  • 00:18:02.163 --> 00:18:02.930
  • TO-- I SENSED WHAT GODWANTED ME TO DO WITH THIS,
  • 00:18:02.930 --> 00:18:03.998
  • WANTED ME TO DO WITH THIS,SO I CONTINUED TO GO BACK
  • 00:18:03.998 --> 00:18:04.899
  • SO I CONTINUED TO GO BACKDOWN TO ANGOLA.
  • 00:18:04.899 --> 00:18:05.966
  • DOWN TO ANGOLA.BURL AND I BECAME GOOD
  • 00:18:05.966 --> 00:18:07.401
  • BURL AND I BECAME GOODFRIENDS, AND I WAS WITH
  • 00:18:07.401 --> 00:18:08.369
  • FRIENDS, AND I WAS WITHHIM ONE DAY, AND I PRAYED
  • 00:18:08.369 --> 00:18:09.904
  • HIM ONE DAY, AND I PRAYEDFOR HIM, AND I WAS GETTIN'
  • 00:18:09.904 --> 00:18:13.274
  • FOR HIM, AND I WAS GETTIN'UP TO LEAVE, AND HE SAID,
  • 00:18:13.274 --> 00:18:14.108
  • UP TO LEAVE, AND HE SAID,"NO, NO JUDGE, SIT DOWN.
  • 00:18:14.108 --> 00:18:15.076
  • "NO, NO JUDGE, SIT DOWN.I WANNA PRAY FOR YOU."
  • 00:18:15.076 --> 00:18:16.477
  • I WANNA PRAY FOR YOU."HE SAID, "BOW YOUR HEAD,
  • 00:18:16.477 --> 00:18:18.446
  • HE SAID, "BOW YOUR HEAD,CLOSE YOUR EYES, AND SIT DOWN."
  • 00:18:18.446 --> 00:18:19.914
  • CLOSE YOUR EYES, AND SIT DOWN."AND SO, WHEN THE WARDEN OF A
  • 00:18:19.914 --> 00:18:21.382
  • AND SO, WHEN THE WARDEN OF AMAXIMUM-SECURITY PRISON
  • 00:18:21.382 --> 00:18:23.017
  • MAXIMUM-SECURITY PRISONTELLS YOU TO-- WHAT?
  • 00:18:23.017 --> 00:18:24.585
  • TELLS YOU TO-- WHAT?-- BOW YOUR HEADS, SIT
  • 00:18:24.585 --> 00:18:25.786
  • -- BOW YOUR HEADS, SITDOWN, CLOSE YOUR EYES, YOU
  • 00:18:25.786 --> 00:18:26.854
  • DOWN, CLOSE YOUR EYES, YOUDO, AND I DID, AND THIS
  • 00:18:26.854 --> 00:18:28.355
  • DO, AND I DID, AND THISWAS HIS PRAYER.
  • 00:18:28.355 --> 00:18:30.524
  • WAS HIS PRAYER.HE SAID, "DEAR LORD, DON'T
  • 00:18:30.524 --> 00:18:31.892
  • HE SAID, "DEAR LORD, DON'TLET THIS MAN REST UNTIL
  • 00:18:31.892 --> 00:18:33.461
  • LET THIS MAN REST UNTILTHEY HAVE A BIBLE COLLEGE
  • 00:18:33.461 --> 00:18:35.362
  • THEY HAVE A BIBLE COLLEGEIN THE OREGON DEPARTMENT
  • 00:18:35.362 --> 00:18:36.597
  • IN THE OREGON DEPARTMENTOF CORRECTIONS, AMEN."
  • 00:18:36.597 --> 00:18:37.465
  • OF CORRECTIONS, AMEN."[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:18:37.465 --> 00:18:38.199
  • [LAUGHTER]AND I SAID, "WARDEN, WHY
  • 00:18:38.199 --> 00:18:39.600
  • AND I SAID, "WARDEN, WHYWOULD YOU EVER PRAY THAT
  • 00:18:39.600 --> 00:18:41.102
  • WOULD YOU EVER PRAY THATPRAYER FOR ME?
  • 00:18:41.102 --> 00:18:42.103
  • PRAYER FOR ME?I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS,
  • 00:18:42.103 --> 00:18:42.503
  • I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS,YOU KNOW?
  • 00:18:42.503 --> 00:18:43.404
  • YOU KNOW?[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:18:43.404 --> 00:18:44.004
  • [LAUGHTER]YEAH, I THOUGHT WE WERE
  • 00:18:44.004 --> 00:18:45.005
  • YEAH, I THOUGHT WE WEREGOOD FRIENDS, AND WHY
  • 00:18:45.005 --> 00:18:46.507
  • GOOD FRIENDS, AND WHYWOULD YOU WANT ME TO HAVE
  • 00:18:46.507 --> 00:18:47.441
  • WOULD YOU WANT ME TO HAVENO REST UNTIL THAT
  • 00:18:47.441 --> 00:18:48.409
  • NO REST UNTIL THATHAPPENS?"
  • 00:18:48.409 --> 00:18:49.310
  • HAPPENS?"BECAUSE YOU KNOW OREGON,
  • 00:18:49.310 --> 00:18:49.877
  • BECAUSE YOU KNOW OREGON,RIGHT?
  • 00:18:49.877 --> 00:18:50.744
  • RIGHT?AND YOU KNOW OREGON'S ONE
  • 00:18:50.744 --> 00:18:51.779
  • AND YOU KNOW OREGON'S ONEOF THE MOST UNCHURCHED
  • 00:18:51.779 --> 00:18:52.580
  • OF THE MOST UNCHURCHEDSTATES IN THE COUNTRY?
  • 00:18:52.580 --> 00:18:53.681
  • STATES IN THE COUNTRY?THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN
  • 00:18:53.681 --> 00:18:54.482
  • THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN INOREGON.
  • 00:18:54.482 --> 00:18:55.616
  • OREGON.IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE
  • 00:18:55.616 --> 00:18:56.817
  • IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLEIMPOSSIBILITY."
  • 00:18:56.817 --> 00:18:58.152
  • IMPOSSIBILITY."AND THE WARDEN LOOKED AT
  • 00:18:58.152 --> 00:18:59.220
  • AND THE WARDEN LOOKED ATME, AND HE SAYS,
  • 00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:00.454
  • ME, AND HE SAYS,"JUDGE," IN HIS SOUTHERN DRAWL,
  • 00:19:00.454 --> 00:19:01.322
  • "JUDGE," IN HIS SOUTHERN DRAWL,HE SAYS,
  • 00:19:01.322 --> 00:19:02.656
  • HE SAYS,"WHO DO WE WORSHIP?"
  • 00:19:02.656 --> 00:19:03.791
  • "WHO DO WE WORSHIP?"AND I SAID, "YEAH, THE GOD
  • 00:19:03.791 --> 00:19:04.391
  • AND I SAID, "YEAH, THE GODOF THE IMPOSSIBLE."
  • 00:19:04.391 --> 00:19:05.426
  • OF THE IMPOSSIBLE."SO THAT WAS-- THAT PLANTED
  • 00:19:05.426 --> 00:19:06.227
  • SO THAT WAS-- THAT PLANTEDA SEED.
  • 00:19:06.227 --> 00:19:06.861
  • A SEED.GOD WAS SPEAKING TO ME
  • 00:19:06.861 --> 00:19:08.696
  • GOD WAS SPEAKING TO METHROUGH BURL, AND THAT
  • 00:19:08.696 --> 00:19:09.830
  • THROUGH BURL, AND THATPLANTED A SEED IN MY HEART
  • 00:19:09.830 --> 00:19:11.065
  • PLANTED A SEED IN MY HEARTTO COME BACK TO OREGON TO
  • 00:19:11.065 --> 00:19:11.832
  • TO COME BACK TO OREGON TOSEE WHAT I COULD DO
  • 00:19:11.832 --> 00:19:12.433
  • SEE WHAT I COULD DOABOUT THAT.
  • 00:19:12.433 --> 00:19:14.768
  • ABOUT THAT.- ERIC: SO WHAT HAPPENED?
  • 00:19:14.768 --> 00:19:15.870
  • - ERIC: SO WHAT HAPPENED?YOU SAID, WITHIN A YEAR,
  • 00:19:15.870 --> 00:19:17.771
  • YOU SAID, WITHIN A YEAR,THE FOLKS IN OREGON WERE
  • 00:19:17.771 --> 00:19:19.840
  • THE FOLKS IN OREGON WEREOPEN TO THIS IDEA, AND
  • 00:19:19.840 --> 00:19:21.609
  • OPEN TO THIS IDEA, ANDWHAT HAPPENED?
  • 00:19:21.609 --> 00:19:22.543
  • WHAT HAPPENED?WHAT YEAR WAS THAT?
  • 00:19:22.543 --> 00:19:23.644
  • WHAT YEAR WAS THAT?- TOM: THEY WERE IN 2016,
  • 00:19:23.644 --> 00:19:26.847
  • - TOM: THEY WERE IN 2016,SO I RETIRED AS A
  • 00:19:26.847 --> 00:19:27.915
  • SO I RETIRED AS AFULL-TIME SITTING JUDGE ON
  • 00:19:27.915 --> 00:19:29.216
  • FULL-TIME SITTING JUDGE ONJANUARY 1ST OF 2016.
  • 00:19:29.216 --> 00:19:31.118
  • JANUARY 1ST OF 2016.I WAS IN COSTA RICA, GOT
  • 00:19:31.118 --> 00:19:32.186
  • I WAS IN COSTA RICA, GOTAN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND,
  • 00:19:32.186 --> 00:19:35.890
  • AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND,SAYING, "HEY, THE D.O.C.
  • 00:19:35.890 --> 00:19:36.557
  • SAYING, "HEY, THE D.O.C.IS INTERESTED IN ALLOWING
  • 00:19:36.557 --> 00:19:38.192
  • IS INTERESTED IN ALLOWINGYOU TO INVITE A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:19:38.192 --> 00:19:40.461
  • YOU TO INVITE A CHRISTIANUNIVERSITY TO COME IN AND
  • 00:19:40.461 --> 00:19:41.228
  • UNIVERSITY TO COME IN ANDSET UP A FULL FOUR-YEAR
  • 00:19:41.228 --> 00:19:41.862
  • SET UP A FULL FOUR-YEARCOLLEGE DEGREE PROGRAM IN
  • 00:19:41.862 --> 00:19:43.030
  • COLLEGE DEGREE PROGRAM INONE OF THEIR PRISONS.
  • 00:19:43.030 --> 00:19:44.198
  • ONE OF THEIR PRISONS.I COULD NOT GET BACK TO
  • 00:19:44.198 --> 00:19:44.798
  • I COULD NOT GET BACK TOTHE UNITED STATES QUICK
  • 00:19:44.798 --> 00:19:45.866
  • THE UNITED STATES QUICKENOUGH 'CAUSE I'D BEEN
  • 00:19:45.866 --> 00:19:46.901
  • ENOUGH 'CAUSE I'D BEENWORKIN' ON THIS.
  • 00:19:46.901 --> 00:19:47.868
  • WORKIN' ON THIS.THIS SEED HAD BEEN PLANTED
  • 00:19:47.868 --> 00:19:48.569
  • THIS SEED HAD BEEN PLANTEDFOUR YEARS BEFORE.
  • 00:19:48.569 --> 00:19:49.870
  • FOUR YEARS BEFORE.SO THEY ACTUALLY STARTED
  • 00:19:49.870 --> 00:19:51.472
  • SO THEY ACTUALLY STARTEDTHE CONSTRUCTION THEN ON
  • 00:19:51.472 --> 00:19:53.741
  • THE CONSTRUCTION THEN ONOCTOBER 7, AND IT'S GONNA
  • 00:19:53.741 --> 00:19:56.610
  • OCTOBER 7, AND IT'S GONNABE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED
  • 00:19:56.610 --> 00:19:58.979
  • BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETEDBY THE END OF JANUARY OF 2020.
  • 00:19:58.979 --> 00:20:00.548
  • BY THE END OF JANUARY OF 2020.NOW, IN THE MEANTIME, THE
  • 00:20:00.548 --> 00:20:02.082
  • NOW, IN THE MEANTIME, THED.O.C. REALLY WANTED US IN
  • 00:20:02.082 --> 00:20:03.150
  • D.O.C. REALLY WANTED US INTHERE, AND SO THEY FOUND
  • 00:20:03.150 --> 00:20:05.753
  • THERE, AND SO THEY FOUNDTEMPORARY CLASSROOM SPACE
  • 00:20:05.753 --> 00:20:06.387
  • TEMPORARY CLASSROOM SPACEFOR US, AND SO WE STARTED
  • 00:20:06.387 --> 00:20:07.321
  • FOR US, AND SO WE STARTEDCLASSES ON OCTOBER 14, AND
  • 00:20:07.321 --> 00:20:09.356
  • CLASSES ON OCTOBER 14, ANDIT'S JUST AMAZING.
  • 00:20:09.356 --> 00:20:10.457
  • IT'S JUST AMAZING.WE HAVE A COHORT OF 25 MEN
  • 00:20:10.457 --> 00:20:11.825
  • WE HAVE A COHORT OF 25 MENWE HAD.
  • 00:20:11.825 --> 00:20:13.127
  • WE HAD.WE OPENED THAT UP TO THE
  • 00:20:13.127 --> 00:20:14.261
  • WE OPENED THAT UP TO THEMEN IN THE ENTIRE PRISON
  • 00:20:14.261 --> 00:20:14.728
  • MEN IN THE ENTIRE PRISONSYSTEM.
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  • SYSTEM.- ERIC: SO WHAT DOES THIS
  • 00:20:15.429 --> 00:20:16.497
  • - ERIC: SO WHAT DOES THISMEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, FOR
  • 00:20:16.497 --> 00:20:20.201
  • - TOM: I GO BACK TO
  • 00:20:21.335 --> 00:20:21.969
  • - TOM: I GO BACK TOANGOLA, AND I LOOK AT WHAT
  • 00:20:21.969 --> 00:20:22.770
  • ANGOLA, AND I LOOK AT WHATTHE SEMINARY IN ANGOLA
  • 00:20:22.770 --> 00:20:23.404
  • THE SEMINARY IN ANGOLADID, AND WHAT WE ARE DOING
  • 00:20:23.404 --> 00:20:24.004
  • DID, AND WHAT WE ARE DOINGIS GONNA BE VERY SIMILAR
  • 00:20:24.004 --> 00:20:25.139
  • WE WANT TO OFFER THESE MEN
  • 00:20:26.340 --> 00:20:27.575
  • WE WANT TO OFFER THESE MENAN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A
  • 00:20:27.575 --> 00:20:28.275
  • AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET AFULL FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE
  • 00:20:28.275 --> 00:20:29.977
  • FULL FOUR-YEAR COLLEGEDEGREE.
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  • DEGREE.THERE'S GONNA BE 30 HOURS
  • 00:20:32.012 --> 00:20:32.746
  • THERE'S GONNA BE 30 HOURSOF THEOLOGY, 30 HOURS OF
  • 00:20:32.746 --> 00:20:33.414
  • OF THEOLOGY, 30 HOURS OFPSYCHOLOGY.
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  • PSYCHOLOGY.IT'S GONNA BE A BACHELOR
  • 00:20:35.783 --> 00:20:37.451
  • IT'S GONNA BE A BACHELOROF SCIENCE IN LIBERAL ARTS
  • 00:20:37.451 --> 00:20:38.185
  • OF SCIENCE IN LIBERAL ARTSWITH AN EMPHASIS IN
  • 00:20:38.185 --> 00:20:39.887
  • WITH AN EMPHASIS INPSYCHOLOGY, SOCIAL SERVICE,
  • 00:20:39.887 --> 00:20:41.789
  • PSYCHOLOGY, SOCIAL SERVICE,AND LEADERSHIP.
  • 00:20:41.789 --> 00:20:43.257
  • AND LEADERSHIP.THESE MEN ARE GONNA GET
  • 00:20:43.257 --> 00:20:44.291
  • THESE MEN ARE GONNA GETTHEIR DEGREE, AND THEN ONE
  • 00:20:44.291 --> 00:20:50.698
  • THEIR DEGREE, AND THEN ONEOF THE CRITERIA FOR MEN
  • 00:20:50.698 --> 00:20:51.265
  • OF THE CRITERIA FOR MENAPPLYING TO COLLEGE IS
  • 00:20:51.265 --> 00:20:52.499
  • APPLYING TO COLLEGE ISTHEY NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST
  • 00:20:52.499 --> 00:20:53.534
  • THEY NEED TO HAVE AT LEASTEIGHT YEARS LEFT ON THEIR
  • 00:20:53.534 --> 00:20:54.868
  • EIGHT YEARS LEFT ON THEIRSENTENCE BECAUSE WE WANT
  • 00:20:54.868 --> 00:20:56.203
  • SENTENCE BECAUSE WE WANTTHEM TO GET THEIR DEGREE
  • 00:20:56.203 --> 00:20:56.937
  • THEM TO GET THEIR DEGREEIN FOUR YEARS, AND THEN WE
  • 00:20:56.937 --> 00:20:59.173
  • IN FOUR YEARS, AND THEN WEWANT TO SEND THEM OUT LIKE
  • 00:20:59.173 --> 00:21:00.341
  • WANT TO SEND THEM OUT LIKE"MISSIONARIES," AND I USE
  • 00:21:00.341 --> 00:21:01.408
  • "MISSIONARIES," AND I USETHAT TERM.
  • 00:21:01.408 --> 00:21:02.710
  • THAT TERM.THE D.O.C. DOESN'T USE THE TERM
  • 00:21:02.710 --> 00:21:03.344
  • THE D.O.C. DOESN'T USE THE TERM"MISSIONARIES," BUT I USE
  • 00:21:03.344 --> 00:21:04.211
  • "MISSIONARIES," BUT I USETHE TERM "MISSIONARIES,"
  • 00:21:04.211 --> 00:21:05.179
  • THE TERM "MISSIONARIES,"AND THEY WILL MENTOR AND
  • 00:21:05.179 --> 00:21:06.680
  • AND THEY WILL MENTOR ANDCOUNSEL THEIR FELLOW
  • 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:07.648
  • COUNSEL THEIR FELLOWINMATES THROUGHOUT THE
  • 00:21:07.648 --> 00:21:10.017
  • INMATES THROUGHOUT THEOREGON PRISON SYSTEM.
  • 00:21:10.017 --> 00:21:10.751
  • OREGON PRISON SYSTEM.NOW, NOT ONLY ARE THEY
  • 00:21:10.751 --> 00:21:11.385
  • NOW, NOT ONLY ARE THEYGONNA DO THAT, BUT THE
  • 00:21:11.385 --> 00:21:14.388
  • GONNA DO THAT, BUT THED.O.C. HAS COME UP WITH
  • 00:21:14.388 --> 00:21:15.022
  • D.O.C. HAS COME UP WITHADDITIONAL THINGS FOR THEM
  • 00:21:15.022 --> 00:21:15.656
  • ADDITIONAL THINGS FOR THEMTO DO, LIKE BEING MENTAL
  • 00:21:15.656 --> 00:21:16.824
  • TO DO, LIKE BEING MENTALHEALTH HELPERS, TO WORK IN
  • 00:21:16.824 --> 00:21:18.592
  • HEALTH HELPERS, TO WORK INTHE HOSPICE PROGRAM, TO BE
  • 00:21:18.592 --> 00:21:19.760
  • THE HOSPICE PROGRAM, TO BEEDUCATIONAL TUTORS;
  • 00:21:19.760 --> 00:21:20.894
  • EDUCATIONAL TUTORS;THEY'RE GONNA BE
  • 00:21:20.894 --> 00:21:22.496
  • THEY'RE GONNA BECHAPLAIN'S ASSISTANTS.
  • 00:21:22.496 --> 00:21:24.198
  • CHAPLAIN'S ASSISTANTS.THESE MEN ARE GONNA CHANGE
  • 00:21:24.198 --> 00:21:25.933
  • THESE MEN ARE GONNA CHANGETHE CULTURE OF THE OREGON
  • 00:21:25.933 --> 00:21:26.967
  • THE CULTURE OF THE OREGONPRISON SYSTEM FROM THE
  • 00:21:26.967 --> 00:21:27.968
  • PRISON SYSTEM FROM THEINSIDE OUT.
  • 00:21:27.968 --> 00:21:29.169
  • INSIDE OUT.THIS IS NOT A REENTRY--
  • 00:21:29.169 --> 00:21:30.137
  • THIS IS NOT A REENTRY--A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THIS
  • 00:21:30.137 --> 00:21:30.838
  • A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THISIS A REENTRY PROGRAM.
  • 00:21:30.838 --> 00:21:32.640
  • IS A REENTRY PROGRAM.NO, THIS IS CHANGING THE
  • 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:33.240
  • NO, THIS IS CHANGING THECULTURE OF THE OREGON
  • 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:34.475
  • CULTURE OF THE OREGONPRISON SYSTEM FROM THE
  • 00:21:34.475 --> 00:21:35.509
  • PRISON SYSTEM FROM THEINSIDE OUT.
  • 00:21:35.509 --> 00:21:36.110
  • INSIDE OUT.- ERIC: AND THIS IS THE
  • 00:21:36.110 --> 00:21:37.945
  • - ERIC: AND THIS IS THEANTITHESIS OF LOCK 'EM UP
  • 00:21:37.945 --> 00:21:39.346
  • ANTITHESIS OF LOCK 'EM UPAND THROW AWAY THE KEY?
  • 00:21:39.346 --> 00:21:39.880
  • AND THROW AWAY THE KEY?- TOM: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:40.581
  • - TOM: ABSOLUTELY.- ERIC: THIS IS THE
  • 00:21:40.581 --> 00:21:41.548
  • - ERIC: THIS IS THEABSOLUTE ANTITHESIS OF
  • 00:21:41.548 --> 00:21:42.449
  • ABSOLUTE ANTITHESIS OFTHAT BECAUSE THIS IS
  • 00:21:42.449 --> 00:21:44.084
  • THAT BECAUSE THIS ISGENUINE REHABILITATION.
  • 00:21:44.084 --> 00:21:44.551
  • GENUINE REHABILITATION.- TOM: THIS IS.
  • 00:21:44.551 --> 00:21:45.519
  • - TOM: THIS IS.THIS IS CHANGING PEOPLE'S
  • 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:46.920
  • THIS IS CHANGING PEOPLE'SLIVES.
  • 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:47.554
  • LIVES.THIS IS BREAKING THE CYCLE
  • 00:21:47.554 --> 00:21:48.822
  • THIS IS BREAKING THE CYCLEOF RECIDIVISM DOWN THE ROAD.
  • 00:21:48.822 --> 00:21:50.891
  • OF RECIDIVISM DOWN THE ROAD.IT'S REUNITING THEM WITH
  • 00:21:50.891 --> 00:21:51.525
  • IT'S REUNITING THEM WITHTHEIR FAMILIES 'CAUSE JUST
  • 00:21:51.525 --> 00:21:52.326
  • THEIR FAMILIES 'CAUSE JUSTTHINK OF THE FAMILIES ON
  • 00:21:52.326 --> 00:21:52.793
  • THINK OF THE FAMILIES ONTHE OUTSIDE.
  • 00:21:52.793 --> 00:21:54.628
  • THE OUTSIDE.NOW THEY CAN LOOK AT THEIR
  • 00:21:54.628 --> 00:21:56.263
  • NOW THEY CAN LOOK AT THEIRLOVED ONE WHO IS IN PRISON
  • 00:21:56.263 --> 00:21:57.498
  • LOVED ONE WHO IS IN PRISONAND SAY, "YOU KNOW, JOE'S
  • 00:21:57.498 --> 00:21:58.532
  • AND SAY, "YOU KNOW, JOE'SIN PRISON, AND NOT ONLY IS
  • 00:21:58.532 --> 00:21:59.500
  • IN PRISON, AND NOT ONLY ISHE IN-- I MEAN, HE'S GOING
  • 00:21:59.500 --> 00:22:01.035
  • HE IN-- I MEAN, HE'S GOINGTO COLLEGE.
  • 00:22:01.035 --> 00:22:01.969
  • TO COLLEGE.HE'S GONNA GET HIS COLLEGE
  • 00:22:01.969 --> 00:22:02.536
  • HE'S GONNA GET HIS COLLEGEDEGREE."
  • 00:22:02.536 --> 00:22:03.504
  • DEGREE."HE WILL GET THE SAME
  • 00:22:03.504 --> 00:22:04.738
  • HE WILL GET THE SAMEDEGREE IN PRISON THAT
  • 00:22:04.738 --> 00:22:05.939
  • DEGREE IN PRISON THATSTUDENTS OF THE OUTSIDE
  • 00:22:05.939 --> 00:22:06.573
  • STUDENTS OF THE OUTSIDEGET, WHICH COSTS THEM
  • 00:22:06.573 --> 00:22:08.409
  • GET, WHICH COSTS THEMABOUT $140.000, AND THESE
  • 00:22:08.409 --> 00:22:09.643
  • ABOUT $140.000, AND THESEINMATES ARE GETTING
  • 00:22:09.643 --> 00:22:11.178
  • INMATES ARE GETTINGSCHOLARSHIPS.
  • 00:22:11.178 --> 00:22:11.945
  • SCHOLARSHIPS.WE'RE PAYIN' FOR THE WHOLE
  • 00:22:11.945 --> 00:22:12.446
  • WE'RE PAYIN' FOR THE WHOLEKIT AND KABOODLE.
  • 00:22:12.446 --> 00:22:13.480
  • KIT AND KABOODLE.- ERIC: AND IT'S A
  • 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:14.882
  • - ERIC: AND IT'S ATESTIMONY TO THE GOD WE
  • 00:22:14.882 --> 00:22:16.317
  • TESTIMONY TO THE GOD WEWORSHIP THAT THIS IS EVEN
  • 00:22:16.317 --> 00:22:17.951
  • WORSHIP THAT THIS IS EVENPOSSIBLE THAT WE'RE HAVING
  • 00:22:17.951 --> 00:22:18.552
  • POSSIBLE THAT WE'RE HAVINGTHIS CONVERSATION.
  • 00:22:18.552 --> 00:22:19.553
  • THIS CONVERSATION.- TOM: JUST IMAGINE THIS:
  • 00:22:19.553 --> 00:22:22.156
  • - TOM: JUST IMAGINE THIS:THE MAN WHO MURDERED MY
  • 00:22:22.156 --> 00:22:23.424
  • THE MAN WHO MURDERED MYDAUGHTER COULD END UP
  • 00:22:23.424 --> 00:22:25.225
  • DAUGHTER COULD END UPGOING TO COLLEGE IN PRISON
  • 00:22:25.225 --> 00:22:26.093
  • GOING TO COLLEGE IN PRISONBECAUSE HE MURDERED MY
  • 00:22:26.093 --> 00:22:27.728
  • BECAUSE HE MURDERED MYDAUGHTER.
  • 00:22:27.728 --> 00:22:28.862
  • DAUGHTER.HOW IRONIC IS THAT?
  • 00:22:28.862 --> 00:22:29.830
  • HOW IRONIC IS THAT?I MEAN, ONLY GOD COULD
  • 00:22:29.830 --> 00:22:30.764
  • I MEAN, ONLY GOD COULDCOME UP WITH--
  • 00:22:30.764 --> 00:22:31.632
  • COME UP WITH--- ERIC: WELL, GOD IS THE
  • 00:22:31.632 --> 00:22:34.601
  • - ERIC: WELL, GOD IS THESUPREME IRONIST, AND IT'S
  • 00:22:34.601 --> 00:22:37.371
  • SUPREME IRONIST, AND IT'SJUST SO BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:22:37.371 --> 00:22:38.806
  • JUST SO BEAUTIFUL.IT'S SUCH A PLEASURE.
  • 00:22:38.806 --> 00:22:39.406
  • IT'S SUCH A PLEASURE.THE BOOK IS
  • 00:22:39.406 --> 00:22:40.240
  • THE BOOK IS"LOSING MEGAN."
  • 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:43.744
  • "LOSING MEGAN."KOHL IS K-O-H-L,
  • 00:22:43.744 --> 00:22:44.545
  • KOHL IS K-O-H-L,JUDGE TOM KOHL, AND THE
  • 00:22:44.545 --> 00:22:45.813
  • JUDGE TOM KOHL, AND THEORGANIZATION-- I HOPE YOU
  • 00:22:45.813 --> 00:22:47.414
  • JUDGE TOM KOHL, THANK YOU,
  • 00:22:53.787 --> 00:22:54.955
  • JUDGE TOM KOHL, THANK YOU,AND GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:22:54.955 --> 00:22:55.923
  • AND GOD BLESS YOU.JUST BEEN A PRIVILEGE.
  • 00:22:55.923 --> 00:22:56.957
  • JUST BEEN A PRIVILEGE.THANK YOU.
  • 00:22:56.957 --> 00:22:58.492
  • ♪ CAN'T STOP, CAN'T STOP ♪
  • 00:23:03.697 --> 00:23:05.065
  • ♪ CAN'T STOP, CAN'T STOP ♪♪ CAN'T STOP, CAN'T-- ♪
  • 00:23:05.065 --> 00:23:06.266
  • ♪ CAN'T STOP, CAN'T-- ♪♪ CAN'T STOP, ♪
  • 00:23:06.266 --> 00:23:09.103
  • - JOE RICKETTS: SO THEY
  • 00:23:11.972 --> 00:23:13.173
  • - JOE RICKETTS: SO THEYDON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT IS
  • 00:23:13.173 --> 00:23:14.241
  • DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT ISAND ALL THE TRIALS AND
  • 00:23:14.241 --> 00:23:15.175
  • AND ALL THE TRIALS ANDTRIBULATIONS THAT YOU HAVE
  • 00:23:15.175 --> 00:23:16.110
  • TRIBULATIONS THAT YOU HAVETO GO THROUGH TO MAKE A
  • 00:23:16.110 --> 00:23:19.146
  • TO GO THROUGH TO MAKE ASUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.
  • 00:23:19.146 --> 00:23:19.713
  • SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.YOU NEED TO BE REALLY
  • 00:23:19.713 --> 00:23:20.848
  • YOU NEED TO BE REALLYENERGIZED BY THOSE
  • 00:23:20.848 --> 00:23:22.216
  • ENERGIZED BY THOSEPROBLEMS THAT COME UP SO
  • 00:23:22.216 --> 00:23:23.083
  • PROBLEMS THAT COME UP SOTHAT YOU CAN FIND A
  • 00:23:23.083 --> 00:23:24.451
  • THAT YOU CAN FIND ASOLUTION AND GET THROUGH
  • 00:23:24.451 --> 00:23:27.221
  • SOLUTION AND GET THROUGHTHEM AND BE ENERGIZED BY IT.
  • 00:23:27.221 --> 00:23:28.355
  • THEM AND BE ENERGIZED BY IT.- [MUSIC]
  • 00:23:28.355 --> 00:23:29.323
  • - [MUSIC]♪ BOOM, BOOM ♪
  • 00:23:29.323 --> 00:23:30.124
  • ♪ BOOM, BOOM ♪♪ BOOM, BOOM ♪
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