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Grace for Today with Lawson Perdue | Lawson Perdue - Jesus Influencers (Part 5) | May 30, 2025
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- - praise the lord.
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- Friends, i wanna say a great big thank you
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- For tuning in today.
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- This is actually our last broadcast
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- On being a jesus influencer.
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- And realize it or not, as a member of the body of christ,
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- You have a sphere of influence.
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- You don't wanna miss this last teaching
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- Where we're in 1 timothy 4,
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- Talking about our response really to the word of god
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- And the holy spirit.
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- Friend, i'm so glad that you're here today.
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- We've been sharing all this week on being an example
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- Of believers, being an influencer for the lord jesus christ.
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- And believe it or not, as a believer,
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- You have a sphere of influence.
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- - that's really true.
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- You know, sometimes we think,
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- "oh, i don't have that big of an influence.
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- Maybe i don't really have a big platform,
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- Or i don't have, you know, a big business.
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- I don't have a big following."
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- But there are people that god has strategically placed
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- Around you that you're to impact,
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- You're to minister to, you're to influence,
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- They might be believers, they might be non-believers.
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- - yeah.
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- - you know, god has actually placed you next to people
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- That you're supposed to minister to,
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- That you're supposed to preach the gospel to and get saved.
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- - yeah. - on several occasions.
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- - many occasions.
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- - yeah. do you wanna talk about?
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- - well, i mean, when we moved here to colorado springs,
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- God moved us right across the street from a retired,
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- You know, general in the air force.
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- And he had actually, or...
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- - colonel. - colonel in the air force.
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- He had actually ran three air bases during his career.
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- And, you know, i knew immediately when we drove in,
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- We moved in with the pickup truck
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- And a big stock trailer, 26 foot stock trailer loaded.
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- We had three loads, you know,
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- And we had this fixer upper house that we bought
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- That was about 30 years old that hadn't been touched
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- For about 30 years and a lot of work.
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- But when we moved in,
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- I saw across the street this ford truck
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- And a big cowboy hat.
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- And i thought, i got a friend over there.
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- And i started talking to him and he started talking to me,
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- And we became really good friends.
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- And he actually had 30 years in military
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- And had fought in world war ii,
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- Had actually flown bombers
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- And different things, flew over 200 missions
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- And then ran, you know, three military air bases
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- During his career.
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- And then he got involved in the cattle business,
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- Which i was actively involved in when we moved here
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- To colorado springs and had been involved in for years.
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- And so we became friends,
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- And i started witnessing to him
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- As god would give me opportunity.
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- And, you know, about a year into us being here, you know,
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- His middle son, he had three sons,
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- Just like i have three sons.
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- His middle son came to my house one day
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- And knocked on the door, and he said, "hey, i want you
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- To know that god sent you to witness to my dad."
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- - and that son actually worked for a very large ministry.
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- - yeah. james dobson and his school, yeah.
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- - probably at the time that was one
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- Of the largest ministries in the country.
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- - yeah and his son had a doctorate degree,
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- But he said, he told me, "my dad hates preachers."
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- - and you had just started a church here.
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- You know, you started, you know, 20,
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- 40 people there at church.
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- So you could have thought,
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- "well, i don't have that much influence, you know?"
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- And this son, he works for james dobson,
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- Who, you know, talks to the president
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- And has, you know, millions of people listen
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- To him on the radio.
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- But god placed you there to reach that person.
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- - right.
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- And so he said,
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- "but my dad hates preachers, but he loves you.
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- And god sent you to witness to my dad."
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- - and his son realized that too.
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- His son realized that god put you there.
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- - and i mean, we had a relationship where i spoke
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- To this person for years.
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- We had a really good friendship,
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- And he gave me really great advice financially
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- And different things.
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- He was very successful financially,
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- But also, i shared jesus with him,
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- But actually on his death bed, you know, i went,
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- He asked me if i would watch his dog.
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- He had to go in for a little surgery and get in his mail.
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- He thought it was gonna be a couple days.
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- And he went in and actually, as a result of this surgery,
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- He went into a coma.
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- And like several weeks into it, the lord told me to go down
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- And see him, and they'd put him in the hospital here
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- In springs where they just leave people to die.
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- And when i went in his room, he came out of the coma
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- And he started talking to me.
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- And i asked him, his name was ken.
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- I said, "ken, do you believe
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- That jesus christ died for your sins?
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- And god raised him from the dead and made him lord?"
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- So on, and so he said yes.
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- I mean, and you know what?
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- I really believe that ken, you know, as he answered me yes
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- In the affirmative in those things, i believe
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- That i'm gonna see ken in heaven.
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- And you know, he was awake for about a half hour that day,
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- Talking to me, conversing with me.
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- And then when i left the room,
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- He went back into the coma and he never came out.
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- But i believe that i'm gonna see ken in heaven.
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- You know, god is not trying to keep people out of heaven.
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- And heaven depends on what you do with jesus,
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- If you believe jesus or if you don't.
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- But, you know, that conversation was a result.
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- I mean, we'd had a relationship
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- For several years before that happened.
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- - well, he got to see you live out the gospel.
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- You know, we've been sharing from 1 timothy 4:12-13,
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- And we'll talk about verse 14 today.
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- But, you know, he got to see your example.
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- And, you know, the scripture says,
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- "let no one despise your youth."
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- So you were younger than him.
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- You know, he was further ahead of you.
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- And you know, he was very high up in the military, very...
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- - influential. - in the cattle industry.
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- But you were an example to him.
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- It says you can be an example to believers in word,
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- In conduct and love and spirit and faith and purity.
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- - you know, god will give you divine appointments.
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- You know, then god moved us
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- After ken went home to be with jesus,
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- And we bought another house.
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- It was a foreclosure, and the men were moving us in.
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- And this neighbor who's a, you know,
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- Like multi, multi, multimillionaire,
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- Probably has a net worth of over 100 million.
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- And he said, "what are you doing?"
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- They said, "we're moving in our pastor."
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- He said, "i hate preachers."
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- But, you know, we became good friends.
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- And i witnessed to him, and i witnessed to him for 13 years,
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- But last year, he received jesus as his lord and savior.
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- And he's come to this church a few times.
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- He goes to other churches in arizona
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- Where he goes for the winter.
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- But, you know, thank god,
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- God will give you divine appointments
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- And put you in people's place so you can be a witness
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- To them about the living god, about jesus christ.
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- - well, that's one thing i've just noticed about you
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- And mom, you guys are always witnessing
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- To people just when you're out on a walk
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- Or at the gym, at the grocery store.
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- - [lawson] i talk to people wherever i am.
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- - you're inviting people to church.
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- And you might think, well, this is just one person who,
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- You know, 10% chance will actually come
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- And i actually have 1,000 people i need to minister to
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- On a regular basis.
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- But you guys are... even those small things.
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- - the shepherd goes after the one sheep
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- And he rejoices more when the one sheep comes home.
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- - and paul wrote to timothy too, who was a pastor, he said,
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- You need to do the work of an evangelist.
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- - right, we all should be telling people about jesus.
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- You know, the other day i was at my gym
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- And it happened to be on sunday.
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- And i have a retired doctor there.
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- He's 94 years old. i love him.
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- He loves people. he's served people.
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- He's really a blessing.
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- But, you know, he's there nearly every day at 4:45,
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- Sometimes before me, but we're usually there both at 4:45
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- When the gym opens.
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- But it was sunday, and i got in the shower
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- And i happened to be worshiping the lord
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- And this other general,
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- And he's run the whole air force.
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- He's run the whole mountain over here,
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- Cheyenne mountain military base.
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- And, you know, he's done all these different things
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- And you know, he was in there.
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- And this general goes out generally and swims,
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- And i swim in the morning.
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- So we visit a little bit and i jumped in the shower
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- And i was worshiping god.
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- And so when i got out of the shower,
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- Dr. jim said, "i told the general,
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- You were practicing for church."
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- Well, i'm really practicing for heaven, you know,
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- But you just live your life and just be who you are.
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- - i kind of have a word.
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- I believe it's for myself,
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- But for many people watching right now.
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- But it's don't be so busy that you can't take a minute
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- To minister to someone, to hear from the holy spirit
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- And just pray for someone, witness,
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- Just to literally have a minute.
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- Sometimes you can be so busy
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- Or have that feeling that you're so busy and just...
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- - [lawson] right.
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- - like you need to have a little space in life
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- For the holy spirit to flow through you, you know?
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- - [lawson] and just listen.
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- A month ago, my wife and i, once a month,
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- We go to a chiropractor,
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- And we've been seeing this guy for several years now.
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- And he's a great, great person, a father, you know,
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- He's been expanding his business,
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- But my wife could tell like, something was off.
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- He just wasn't his usual self.
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- And he told us he was kind of going
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- Through some legal things,
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- And she just asked, "hey, can we pray for you?"
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- - right.
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- - and we just spent two or three minutes praying for him.
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- And we were busy too.
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- We actually had to fly out the next day,
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- And we had our four year-old with us,
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- And she's climbing all over the chiropractor equipment,
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- And it wasn't like a convenient thing for us, you know,
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- But we came back a month later
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- And it just really ministered to him.
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- He just thanked us,
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- You know, for doing that.
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- And, you know, you mentioned too,
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- You visited a church in miami.
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- And the pastor's of a different denomination,
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- But you just felt led,
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- I'm just gonna give this guy $100,
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- Just bless him and, you know,
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- Be led by the holy spirit in the small things.
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- It might be just praying for someone,
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- Giving someone a gift.
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- - he was really busy that day.
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- He had a meeting after church.
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- He really couldn't even talk to me.
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- But i just put $100, i put $100 in for the church,
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- And then i put $100 in the offering for him.
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- And i said, this is a personal gift for,
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- You know, wrote his name on it.
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- And then i put my phone number.
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- A little bit after i came home, my phone rang,
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- And he left me a really nice message.
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- And then i got a really nice thank you from him, you know?
- 00:10:38.780 --> 00:10:41.516
- And even though he pastors, you know, a different church,
- 00:10:41.516 --> 00:10:44.086
- It was just like, you know,
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- I can tell the man understands the love of god.
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- I can tell he preaches the true gospel of jesus.
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- He understands the gospel, the goodness of god.
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- And it's just great.
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- You know, we can...
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- You know, i love the gospel.
- 00:10:59.401 --> 00:11:01.069
- - be an example in the small things as well.
- 00:11:01.069 --> 00:11:02.971
- Sometimes people think, "man, i only i wanna be an example
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- In something major, something big."
- 00:11:06.141 --> 00:11:08.910
- But the small things, man, that's what really can speak
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- To people and really have a huge impact.
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- - [lawson] yeah.
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- - you know, like giving someone $100
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- Or praying for someone even though you might be busy.
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- - yeah, and you know, aaron, i tell you,
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- I'm gotta tell you about something that happened last night.
- 00:11:21.089 --> 00:11:23.091
- I was at walmart and i was picking up a couple of things
- 00:11:23.091 --> 00:11:24.893
- For the church plow truck, you know?
- 00:11:24.893 --> 00:11:26.962
- And when i was doing that, you know,
- 00:11:27.763 --> 00:11:31.399
- I saw a man in our church, an older man,
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- He's up in his 90s, he doesn't drive,
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- But there was another man in our church
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- That was walking behind him.
- 00:11:39.541 --> 00:11:41.009
- And i recognized this man brought this other man,
- 00:11:41.009 --> 00:11:45.013
- And it would just touch me.
- 00:11:45.013 --> 00:11:46.615
- And i didn't go try to talk to him, but it just touched me,
- 00:11:46.615 --> 00:11:48.683
- These people just demonstrating the love of jesus christ.
- 00:11:48.683 --> 00:11:52.788
- And i went out in the parking lot
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- And we were driving out of the parking lot,
- 00:11:54.823 --> 00:11:56.324
- And here was that man standing in his pickup
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- And this other man that he had brought.
- 00:11:58.193 --> 00:11:59.995
- And i know that man took time out of his day
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- Just to demonstrate the love of god.
- 00:12:01.696 --> 00:12:04.166
- Sunday here, there was a woman, she's up in her 90s,
- 00:12:04.166 --> 00:12:06.902
- And she recently got put in a nursing home,
- 00:12:06.902 --> 00:12:09.104
- And there was another woman with her.
- 00:12:09.104 --> 00:12:10.605
- And i went and sat down by her, talked to her
- 00:12:10.605 --> 00:12:13.375
- Because it took her a lot of time to go get this woman,
- 00:12:13.375 --> 00:12:16.711
- She's clear on the other end of town,
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- To bring her to church
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- And then to take her back after church.
- 00:12:19.548 --> 00:12:21.149
- But it's just really great when you see people
- 00:12:21.149 --> 00:12:23.885
- That are really living out the love of god
- 00:12:23.885 --> 00:12:27.389
- And demonstrating jesus.
- 00:12:27.389 --> 00:12:29.024
- - and that influence, it might seem like a small thing,
- 00:12:29.024 --> 00:12:31.626
- But it can be a very big thing.
- 00:12:31.626 --> 00:12:33.495
- - it's a huge thing to me.
- 00:12:33.495 --> 00:12:34.996
- - yeah. and that's how you live it out.
- 00:12:34.996 --> 00:12:36.898
- That's how you be an example is in those things.
- 00:12:36.898 --> 00:12:39.901
- - amen.
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- - we're gonna take a brief break.
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- I'd encourage you to stay tuned for the second half.
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- It's gonna be really awesome.
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- Get the entire teaching it, it's really gonna bless you.
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- So stay tuned. we'll see you in just a short second.
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- It says, "some brought for 30, some 60, some 100-fold."
- 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:31.353
- I believe the 100-fold ground.
- 00:13:31.987 --> 00:13:33.855
- That's the ground is talking about our heart.
- 00:13:33.855 --> 00:13:35.790
- The word is talking about the seed.
- 00:13:35.790 --> 00:13:37.592
- How many of you know the seed is consistent?
- 00:13:37.592 --> 00:13:39.895
- The word is consistent, but our heart is what changes.
- 00:13:39.895 --> 00:13:43.932
- In fact, your heart is producing a harvest.
- 00:13:43.932 --> 00:13:45.967
- If you don't like the harvest you're getting,
- 00:13:45.967 --> 00:13:48.403
- You gotta change the seed you're allowing
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- To remain in your heart.
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- Praise the lord. friends, i'm glad you stayed with us.
- 00:13:55.043 --> 00:13:57.345
- We're right here, and we're in 1 timothy 4.
- 00:13:57.345 --> 00:14:00.282
- We've actually been here all week, and we've been talking
- 00:14:00.282 --> 00:14:03.585
- About how you can be an example for jesus.
- 00:14:03.585 --> 00:14:05.987
- You can be a jesus influencer.
- 00:14:05.987 --> 00:14:08.023
- In fact, if you're born again,
- 00:14:08.023 --> 00:14:09.925
- If you're a believer, you are an influencer for jesus.
- 00:14:09.925 --> 00:14:13.929
- So he says, "be an example in your words,
- 00:14:13.929 --> 00:14:17.499
- In your lifestyle, in your love for one another, in spirit,
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- In your attitude, in faith, in purity.
- 00:14:21.069 --> 00:14:23.672
- Give attendance, keep reading the word.
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- Keep exhorting people.
- 00:14:25.473 --> 00:14:27.042
- Stay in a place where you're being exhorted
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- And to doctrine."
- 00:14:29.778 --> 00:14:31.313
- But then we're gonna get into verse 14 through verse 16
- 00:14:31.313 --> 00:14:35.650
- Where the scripture says,
- 00:14:35.650 --> 00:14:36.885
- "don't neglect the gift that is in you,
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- Which was given to you by prophecy."
- 00:14:38.987 --> 00:14:40.755
- Paul knew timothy, physically, right?
- 00:14:40.755 --> 00:14:43.625
- He was like a spiritual father to him,
- 00:14:43.625 --> 00:14:45.327
- But he also knew him by the spirit.
- 00:14:45.327 --> 00:14:47.362
- "with the laying on of hands of the presbytery.
- 00:14:47.362 --> 00:14:50.098
- Meditate on these things.
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- Give yourself holy to them
- 00:14:52.300 --> 00:14:54.336
- That your profiting may appear to all.
- 00:14:54.336 --> 00:14:57.472
- Take heed to yourself
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- And also to your doctrine,
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- To what you believe.
- 00:15:00.275 --> 00:15:01.743
- Continue in them for in doing this,
- 00:15:01.743 --> 00:15:04.245
- You're both gonna save yourself
- 00:15:04.245 --> 00:15:06.948
- And those that hear you."
- 00:15:06.948 --> 00:15:07.816
- You know, it's important
- 00:15:07.816 --> 00:15:09.751
- What you stay at and what you believe
- 00:15:09.751 --> 00:15:11.987
- Because it affects not only you, it affects those
- 00:15:11.987 --> 00:15:14.522
- That you're influencing.
- 00:15:14.522 --> 00:15:15.590
- - yeah, and i love verse 14.
- 00:15:15.590 --> 00:15:16.958
- It says, "do not neglect the gift that is in you."
- 00:15:16.958 --> 00:15:18.593
- God has placed certain things in you,
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- But you have to draw it out.
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- You have to remember it's there and to grow with it.
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- - [lawson] right.
- 00:15:26.501 --> 00:15:27.435
- - you know, at a young age,
- 00:15:27.435 --> 00:15:29.371
- You and mom realized that i had musical giftings,
- 00:15:29.371 --> 00:15:31.673
- Musical abilities, but i couldn't just neglect it.
- 00:15:31.673 --> 00:15:34.843
- You have to develop it.
- 00:15:34.843 --> 00:15:38.246
- So certain things that god gives us, we have to put to use,
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- We have to develop, we have to put to use consistently.
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- - [lawson] amen.
- 00:15:46.488 --> 00:15:47.922
- - and, you know, he's given you specific giftings.
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- He's placed you in certain areas
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- To reach certain people,
- 00:15:51.893 --> 00:15:53.161
- But you have to use what he's given you.
- 00:15:53.161 --> 00:15:55.397
- And i like that it says too that these certain gifts
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- Are given by the laying out of hands with prophecy.
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- Your prophecy actually speaks things out.
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- It calls things out. you can prophetically create something.
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- - [lawson] amen.
- 00:16:08.676 --> 00:16:09.978
- - you know, and to me that's really important
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- That you're in a place, you're in a church
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- Where they understand the gift of prophecy,
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- The gift of speaking life, the gift of...
- 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:21.356
- - well, and all the manifestations of the holy spirit.
- 00:16:21.356 --> 00:16:24.959
- You know, there's really two parts of the church today.
- 00:16:24.959 --> 00:16:29.097
- There's the church that believes in salvation, right?
- 00:16:29.097 --> 00:16:32.400
- And water baptism.
- 00:16:32.400 --> 00:16:34.803
- Most churches believe in salvation, water baptism.
- 00:16:34.803 --> 00:16:38.006
- But there's also the church that believes in salvation,
- 00:16:38.006 --> 00:16:41.076
- Water baptism, and the baptism of the holy spirit.
- 00:16:41.076 --> 00:16:43.745
- And we're one of those churches.
- 00:16:43.745 --> 00:16:45.113
- Inevitably, the churches that have really grown,
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- Especially in the last few years,
- 00:16:48.917 --> 00:16:50.852
- And in the last century, are the churches
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- That are actively teaching the baptism of the holy spirit
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- With the evidence of speaking in other tongues.
- 00:16:58.126 --> 00:17:00.728
- And this isn't only a gift for a few believers.
- 00:17:00.728 --> 00:17:04.365
- I don't believe that it was an odd thing
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- For someone to be baptized in the holy spirit
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- And speak in tongues in the new testament.
- 00:17:11.239 --> 00:17:13.708
- I believe that most believers, if not,
- 00:17:13.708 --> 00:17:16.678
- I believe nearly every believer in the book
- 00:17:16.678 --> 00:17:20.348
- Of acts spoke in tongues.
- 00:17:20.348 --> 00:17:21.850
- Not only did they receive salvation,
- 00:17:21.850 --> 00:17:24.986
- Were they water baptized, but they spoke with tongues.
- 00:17:24.986 --> 00:17:28.590
- They prayed the personal prayer language.
- 00:17:28.590 --> 00:17:30.859
- - and paul himself said,
- 00:17:30.859 --> 00:17:32.060
- "i thank god that i pray in tongues,
- 00:17:32.060 --> 00:17:33.628
- That i speak in tongues more than you all.
- 00:17:33.628 --> 00:17:35.463
- - right, and he was not even born again
- 00:17:35.463 --> 00:17:37.732
- Till a number of years after the church was born.
- 00:17:37.732 --> 00:17:41.169
- - last night, i was up in the middle of the night
- 00:17:41.169 --> 00:17:43.204
- Around 3 o'clock,
- 00:17:43.204 --> 00:17:44.472
- And god was speaking to me about prophecy
- 00:17:44.472 --> 00:17:46.541
- And just how a lot of people,
- 00:17:46.541 --> 00:17:48.309
- Even in charismatic churches,
- 00:17:48.309 --> 00:17:49.477
- Don't really understand that ministry.
- 00:17:49.477 --> 00:17:52.714
- And a lot of people look to it and are excited about it
- 00:17:52.714 --> 00:17:54.849
- Because they think
- 00:17:54.849 --> 00:17:56.151
- It's like a fortune telling kind of thing.
- 00:17:56.151 --> 00:17:57.552
- But god was telling that prophecy and true prophets,
- 00:17:57.552 --> 00:18:00.588
- They're not fortune tellers.
- 00:18:00.588 --> 00:18:02.357
- - [lawson] right.
- 00:18:02.357 --> 00:18:03.458
- - and some people kinda go around
- 00:18:03.458 --> 00:18:05.527
- Acting like fortune tellers.
- 00:18:05.527 --> 00:18:06.995
- - you know, i told this minister,
- 00:18:06.995 --> 00:18:08.930
- And he has a very viable ministry, and i really love him.
- 00:18:08.930 --> 00:18:12.066
- I really do love him.
- 00:18:12.066 --> 00:18:13.668
- But i told him one time, the difference between you and me
- 00:18:13.668 --> 00:18:16.204
- Is you're trying to, you know,
- 00:18:16.204 --> 00:18:18.706
- Be the voice of god for people.
- 00:18:18.706 --> 00:18:20.708
- And i'm trying to teach people how to hear the voice
- 00:18:20.708 --> 00:18:23.011
- Of god for theirself.
- 00:18:23.011 --> 00:18:24.846
- And i believe you're in a lot stronger position
- 00:18:24.846 --> 00:18:27.081
- When you can hear the voice of god for yourself
- 00:18:27.081 --> 00:18:29.651
- Than run around from meeting to meeting trying
- 00:18:29.651 --> 00:18:32.287
- To just hear the voice of god, right?
- 00:18:32.287 --> 00:18:34.856
- I'm all for prophetic meetings.
- 00:18:34.856 --> 00:18:37.458
- I'm all for, you know, evangelistic meetings.
- 00:18:37.458 --> 00:18:39.994
- I'm all for all of these things, teaching the...
- 00:18:39.994 --> 00:18:43.198
- You know, i'm all for the fivefold ministry,
- 00:18:43.198 --> 00:18:45.133
- Apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher.
- 00:18:45.133 --> 00:18:47.335
- But i believe as believers mature, they don't have
- 00:18:47.335 --> 00:18:51.005
- To just look for a word from a prophet, so to speak,
- 00:18:51.005 --> 00:18:55.076
- But they can really hear god for themselves.
- 00:18:55.076 --> 00:18:56.744
- - well, and sometimes prophecy might be happening
- 00:18:56.744 --> 00:18:59.247
- And you don't even realize it.
- 00:18:59.247 --> 00:19:00.348
- Like, it might be in the worship.
- 00:19:00.348 --> 00:19:01.649
- There might be a song that's declaring things,
- 00:19:01.649 --> 00:19:03.251
- That's calling things out prophetically from people,
- 00:19:03.251 --> 00:19:05.887
- Or when, you know, the pastor gets up and prays.
- 00:19:05.887 --> 00:19:08.223
- They might be...
- 00:19:08.223 --> 00:19:09.524
- And just because they're not saying abracadabra
- 00:19:09.524 --> 00:19:12.393
- And doing a fortune telling show, sometimes people miss it.
- 00:19:12.393 --> 00:19:16.664
- - right, see, prophecy, a biblical definition of prophecy,
- 00:19:16.664 --> 00:19:20.935
- It says, "he that prophesies," in 1 corinthians 14:3,
- 00:19:20.935 --> 00:19:24.172
- "speaks to man exhortation."
- 00:19:24.172 --> 00:19:25.974
- We've been talking about that.
- 00:19:25.974 --> 00:19:27.609
- Edification, to build up, and comfort.
- 00:19:27.609 --> 00:19:29.978
- Simple prophecy is just exhortation,
- 00:19:29.978 --> 00:19:33.781
- Edification, and comfort.
- 00:19:33.781 --> 00:19:35.049
- And that can come in many different ways.
- 00:19:35.049 --> 00:19:37.085
- - that's awesome.
- 00:19:37.085 --> 00:19:38.319
- So, you know, don't neglect the gift.
- 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:40.888
- We all have certain gifts that god has given us.
- 00:19:40.888 --> 00:19:45.860
- Can you read that verse?
- 00:19:46.361 --> 00:19:47.762
- - yeah, he says, "don't neglect the gift that is in you,
- 00:19:47.762 --> 00:19:49.831
- Which was given to you by prophecy."
- 00:19:49.831 --> 00:19:51.366
- In other words,
- 00:19:51.366 --> 00:19:52.800
- They recognized it with called the laying on of hands
- 00:19:52.800 --> 00:19:55.303
- Of the presbytery.
- 00:19:55.303 --> 00:19:56.571
- Meditate on these things.
- 00:19:56.571 --> 00:19:58.506
- So there's words, for instance,
- 00:19:58.506 --> 00:19:59.841
- Andrew wommack has spoken about 23 words
- 00:19:59.841 --> 00:20:04.612
- Of wisdom over me in the last 47 years
- 00:20:04.612 --> 00:20:08.116
- That we've been friends.
- 00:20:08.116 --> 00:20:10.084
- And 22 of them have come to pass.
- 00:20:10.084 --> 00:20:12.820
- There's one of them that hasn't, i still believe it,
- 00:20:12.820 --> 00:20:14.822
- And it was given over 10 years ago,
- 00:20:14.822 --> 00:20:16.824
- But i believe it's coming to pass.
- 00:20:16.824 --> 00:20:17.992
- I think i've began to get insight
- 00:20:17.992 --> 00:20:20.395
- What the holy spirit's doing
- 00:20:20.395 --> 00:20:21.763
- And how it's gonna happen in this next season
- 00:20:21.763 --> 00:20:23.931
- That the church is in.
- 00:20:23.931 --> 00:20:25.233
- But he says, "meditate on these things."
- 00:20:25.233 --> 00:20:30.505
- I've meditated on it. i've thought about it a lot.
- 00:20:31.539 --> 00:20:32.874
- I can quote it to you verse.
- 00:20:32.874 --> 00:20:34.475
- You know, i have a leader here, and i'd given her a word.
- 00:20:34.475 --> 00:20:36.778
- I thought it was last year,
- 00:20:36.778 --> 00:20:37.779
- But there was a transition
- 00:20:37.779 --> 00:20:39.314
- That was happening in our ministry staff.
- 00:20:39.314 --> 00:20:40.982
- And i went and said, "do you remember that word?"
- 00:20:40.982 --> 00:20:42.817
- And she spoke the word exactly as i gave it to her.
- 00:20:42.817 --> 00:20:46.487
- She told me the exact date she's been meditating
- 00:20:46.487 --> 00:20:49.090
- On that thing.
- 00:20:49.090 --> 00:20:49.957
- It was two years ago.
- 00:20:49.957 --> 00:20:51.392
- - well, and she recognized that it was prophetic.
- 00:20:51.392 --> 00:20:53.127
- - right. - what was happening.
- 00:20:53.127 --> 00:20:54.429
- - and so it says, "give yourself holy to them."
- 00:20:54.429 --> 00:20:56.564
- She has been applying herself to the things
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- That she's doing, so she's prepared.
- 00:21:00.201 --> 00:21:02.704
- And i said, "well, your overseer here
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- In the ministry said this."
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- And she said, "well, i was at that place,
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- But i'm in a completely different place
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- Because i've done this."
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- And so she's been giving herself to those things.
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- "that your profiting may appear to all."
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- And listen, the word that i gave her is promotion is coming
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- And her profiting is gonna appear
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- To other people in the future.
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- He said, "take heed to yourself."
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- First of all, you gotta guard yourself.
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- And he says, "and unto your doctrine
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- And to what you believe"
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- Because if you're believing wrong,
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- You're gonna start acting wrong
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- And you're gonna start leading others astray.
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- "continue in them for in doctrine, in the right doctrine
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- And in the things of the spirit,
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- And taking heed to yourself for in doing this
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- In the word of god also, you're gonna both save yourself
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- And those who hear you."
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- And it's important what you're giving yourself to.
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- Man, if you give yourselves to, you know, flintstones,
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- You're gonna be a fruity pebble.
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- So don't give yourself the flint.
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- You need to give yourself to the word of god.
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- You need to give yourself to the things of the spirit.
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- You need to give yourself to these.
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- That's what he's talking about, this whole verse is.
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- - and this is awesome.
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- You know, we've actually spent the entire week
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- Just going through three verses in 1 timothy,
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- 1 timothy 4:12-14.
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- But really, this entire book, you know,
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- 2 timothy as well, paul just has loads
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- And loads of leadership principles here.
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- And they apply to everyone.
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- They especially apply to pastors, you know?
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- When i became a pastor nine years ago,
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- I didn't have an education in pastoral ministry,
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- But i could learn from a great pastor just from by example.
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- That's the greatest way to learn.
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- So i've been close to you,
- 00:22:50.478 --> 00:22:52.513
- - you know, we have a series on leadership,
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- Actually from 1 and 2 timothy
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- That i taught with pastor max cornell.
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- And before you came to pastor,
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- Max cornell came here to church.
- 00:23:00.688 --> 00:23:02.557
- And max, one of the leaders at charis bible college,
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- Greg mohr said that max is probably the greatest teacher
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- That's ever graduated from charis bible college.
- 00:23:08.696 --> 00:23:11.232
- But he came to our church and he worked for me
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- For three years and as assistant pastor.
- 00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:15.169
- And max says, "you know what?
- 00:23:15.169 --> 00:23:16.671
- I wouldn't have known a lot of things about pastoring,
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- But i learned 'em from you."
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- And now he's in kansas city, in the west side of kansas.
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- Pastors charis church there in the west side
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- Of kansas city in johnson county.
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- And he's a great pastor, but max learned
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- And he's applied those things.
- 00:23:30.384 --> 00:23:32.086
- And him and i taught the entire book
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- Of timothy really on leader.
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- Andit's on our website, it's free of charge.
- 00:23:36.123 --> 00:23:37.692
- - and he's learned by example too, you know?
- 00:23:37.692 --> 00:23:39.727
- Paul says you gotta be an example.
- 00:23:39.727 --> 00:23:41.562
- And the greatest way that people learn is by example.
- 00:23:41.562 --> 00:23:44.799
- And it's not just the big things.
- 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:46.434
- Again, the small things is what really, really counts.
- 00:23:46.434 --> 00:23:50.738
- You know, i remember, you know,
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- And i mentioned this before,
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- But i have a background in classical music.
- 00:23:53.541 --> 00:23:55.109
- I play the flute, have a doctorate in music.
- 00:23:55.109 --> 00:23:58.312
- And the primary way you learn an instrument is by example.
- 00:23:58.312 --> 00:24:02.517
- - [lawson] right.
- 00:24:02.517 --> 00:24:03.784
- - you know, the teacher, they don't just describe
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- To you, you don't just read a book,
- 00:24:05.219 --> 00:24:07.255
- But you have to meet with that teacher one-on-one
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- And learn by example how they do it.
- 00:24:10.625 --> 00:24:12.693
- But i remember once i studied, you know,
- 00:24:12.693 --> 00:24:15.730
- With one of the greatest teachers in the world,
- 00:24:15.730 --> 00:24:18.799
- And she has students in top orchestras,
- 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:20.601
- Top universities all around the world.
- 00:24:20.601 --> 00:24:23.204
- But i remember once we were gonna go surprise her
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- On her birthday.
- 00:24:26.340 --> 00:24:27.909
- This is in houston, texas, like in february,
- 00:24:27.909 --> 00:24:30.811
- But i remember the, the eight of us,
- 00:24:30.811 --> 00:24:33.214
- We all got together at our house at like 10 pm.
- 00:24:33.214 --> 00:24:37.218
- We're all just gonna start playing our flutes
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- And piccolos outside of her house really loud,
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- Happy birthday and surprise her.
- 00:24:40.821 --> 00:24:42.123
- But we all just show up, you know,
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- On her front lawn at 10 pm
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- And she was in her house.
- 00:24:45.993 --> 00:24:47.395
- We could hear her practicing at 10 pm.
- 00:24:47.395 --> 00:24:50.197
- You know, she was in her 70s.
- 00:24:50.197 --> 00:24:52.733
- Like, she didn't have to practice,
- 00:24:52.733 --> 00:24:54.135
- She didn't have to be doing this thing.
- 00:24:54.135 --> 00:24:56.537
- But she was a great example in those little things.
- 00:24:56.537 --> 00:24:59.840
- You know, that really inspired me.
- 00:24:59.840 --> 00:25:01.008
- Hey, like you could be in your 70s
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- And still be learning, still be growing,
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- Still be doing things.
- 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:07.748
- - and she's played for the boston symphony.
- 00:25:07.748 --> 00:25:11.118
- - so, i mean, years before, i mean,
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- She's a tremendous, tremendous, you know, person
- 00:25:12.887 --> 00:25:16.724
- In this area, but she's still living it
- 00:25:16.724 --> 00:25:19.660
- And she's practicing it on a daily basis.
- 00:25:19.660 --> 00:25:22.763
- - i was talking to someone recent too, they're asking about,
- 00:25:22.763 --> 00:25:24.532
- "in that classical music field, was it very competitive?"
- 00:25:24.532 --> 00:25:26.867
- And i said, "well, our teachers set a good example
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- On how to celebrate each other's successes."
- 00:25:29.770 --> 00:25:34.575
- So it's not a competitive thing,
- 00:25:34.575 --> 00:25:36.644
- But we're all gonna learn from each other
- 00:25:36.644 --> 00:25:38.045
- And grow and celebrate achievements.
- 00:25:38.045 --> 00:25:39.313
- - that's a great example for the body of christ.
- 00:25:39.313 --> 00:25:41.749
- - but you have to set the example.
- 00:25:41.749 --> 00:25:43.718
- - celebrate each other's success.
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- - [aaron] amen.
- 00:25:45.653 --> 00:25:46.921
- - man, we need to do that in the church.
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- That's a great example.
- 00:25:48.222 --> 00:25:49.457
- Well, i wanna say great big thank you
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- To all you who've been watching.
- 00:25:51.826 --> 00:25:53.461
- I also wanna let you know that, you know,
- 00:25:53.461 --> 00:25:55.763
- We have our website, we have great teaching.
- 00:25:55.763 --> 00:25:57.865
- It's downloadable, audio, video, it's free.
- 00:25:57.865 --> 00:26:00.301
- You can check us out on youtube.
- 00:26:00.301 --> 00:26:01.802
- In fact, you know, we live stream our sunday services,
- 00:26:01.802 --> 00:26:04.939
- Our wednesday service on youtube.
- 00:26:04.939 --> 00:26:07.742
- If i'm not here, i live stream myself many times,
- 00:26:07.742 --> 00:26:10.478
- Or i go back and live stream
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- If i'm preaching somewhere else.
- 00:26:11.712 --> 00:26:13.280
- After the service, i got pastors, they go preach
- 00:26:13.280 --> 00:26:16.083
- And then they watch us on youtube
- 00:26:16.083 --> 00:26:17.885
- Or they watch us on youtube and then they go preach.
- 00:26:17.885 --> 00:26:20.087
- But you can check us out on the website
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- And you can come to church here
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- If you're in colorado springs.
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- We'd love to see you. blessings.
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