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Grace for Today with Lawson Perdue | Lawson Perdue - Jesus Influencers (Part 6) | June 2, 2025
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- - hi, friends.
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- Welcome to the broadcast.
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- I'm so glad that you've tuned in.
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- We are sharing today on being a jesus influencer.
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- How can we as believers influencer the world around us?
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- I don't believe that we can really influence the world
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- Effectively without becoming disciples
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- Of the lord jesus christ, or followers of christ.
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- What does that mean?
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- We'll share more about it. blessings.
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- Friends. we're so glad that you're with us today.
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- And i'm glad to have aaron with me, and god is so good.
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- And you've recently done a teaching
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- On being a jesus influencer.
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- In other words, how do we make a difference
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- In this world by sharing jesus.
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- - and we're all created to share jesus.
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- We're all created in his image. we're to be like him.
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- We're to be like god.
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- And really impact people in that way.
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- And too many believers
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- Are actually kind of conforming to the world.
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- Like it's hard to tell the difference
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- Between someone who's a christian and someone who isn't.
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- And we should really stand out.
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- And one thing i kinda learned,
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- I actually went to secular universities for my education.
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- I went to bachelor's, master's, doctorate.
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- And there weren't a lot of christians in my field,
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- A whole lot of christians where i studied.
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- But i stood out.
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- People knew there was something different about me.
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- - praise god.
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- - and if you're following jesus,
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- You're gonna stand out
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- And you're also gonna make an impact on people, right?
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- You're gonna influence people in a positive way,
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- - right?
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- And we can be a witness wherever we are.
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- We can be a witness in our neighborhood with our friends.
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- We can be a witness when we go to the grocery store,
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- When we go to walmart at our work,
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- Wherever we are, we should be making a difference
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- For the lord jesus christ.
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- And people should be able to tell
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- That there's a difference in us.
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- I recently was on a flight, and i was coming back
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- And i was just visiting with this young man.
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- And as i was visiting with him,
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- It's like the lord showed me that he had been in church,
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- His family were christians, but he currently wasn't.
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- And he was like 23 years old.
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- And so i was talking to him about himself,
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- And then he just asked me
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- Right after the lord showed me this.
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- He said, "well, what do you do?"
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- And i said, "well, i'm a pastor."
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- And he had been really involved in church
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- Up to the time that he was 17.
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- But he said he was actually shocked that i was a pastor
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- And i was communicating with him.
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- And but we had a great conversation.
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- - that's awesome.
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- I wanna start with the scripture here.
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- To really be a jesus influencer,
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- To be a leader, to really stand out
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- And make a difference for jesus,
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- You first have to be a follower,
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- And to be a good leader in his kingdom,
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- To impact other people, you have to follow jesus.
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- You can't just do your own thing,
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- A lot of people just want to do their own thing,
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- And that's not how it works.
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- That's not how his kingdom works.
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- He actually calls us into relationships with other people.
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- But you have to really follow jesus.
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- - when jesus first talked to his disciples,
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- He said, "follow me and i will make you fishers of men."
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- - it starts with following him.
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- - yeah. and then when we follow him, he makes us.
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- This fits in with what you're saying,
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- But i believe, when we follow jesus,
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- He makes us into what he wants us to be.
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- Whether that's a banker, a housewife,
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- A school teacher, a welder.
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- And when we do what he wants us to do
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- And become what he wants us to be,
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- We'll become a fisher of men wherever we're at.
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- - yeah, this is something we'll kind of talk about
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- In a later program about being a fisher of men.
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- God kind of spoke to me and said,
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- "you need to be a fisher of men,
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- Or you'll be fished by men."
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- And it kind of flows with what we'll talk about today.
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- How like, if you're not really following jesus,
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- You're gonna conform to the world.
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- And i taught this message to our youth,
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- And i told them about my best friend in high school,
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- How he went off to college
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- And he went to a christian college,
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- But he wanted to be a non-conformist.
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- So he became a hippie.
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- He like wouldn't shave or cut his hair.
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- He'd only shot once every two weeks.
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- He kind of became an atheist, a communist.
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- And eventually his grades started suffering.
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- So his parents pulled him out
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- And he went to community college for a little bit,
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- And then went to the university of colorado boulder.
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- And when he was there, he realized,
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- "i'm not a non-conformist,
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- I'm the same as everyone else."
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- Because they're in boulder.
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- Everyone's an atheist, everyone's a communist,
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- Everyone smokes marijuana.
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- He just realized,
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- "i really conformed to the vast majority of people."
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- And he rededicated his life to the lord.
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- He's very involved in church, he is married.
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- He has four kids, a fifth on the way.
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- Like he reads his bible with his oldest daughter every day.
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- He's trying to,
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- And he's realized that by being married, by going to church,
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- By reading the bible, by like, that's non-conforming.
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- - right? we don't want to-
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- - that's breaking the mold
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- Of what's considered normal in the world today.
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- - right?
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- So if we're born again, right,
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- If jesus is living in us, there should be fruit.
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- Which some of your scripture
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- Is gonna be talking about being a disciple.
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- And one thing about being a disciple, a follower of jesus,
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- A christ follower, is that you're gonna bring forth fruit.
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- - amen.
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- So, i wanna read this verse, something jesus said
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- In matthew 16:24-26, it says,
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- "jesus said to his disciples,"
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- And i like how you define disciples,
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- We'll talk that in a minute,
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- But he says to his disciples,
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- So this is a word for every disciple of jesus.
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- It says, "if anyone desires to come after me,
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- Let him deny himself.
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- It's not about what you want."
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- This is something i tell our church.
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- A lot of people have this mindset
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- When they come to church.
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- "it's what i want."
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- I wanna do the songs i wanna do.
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- And really, the songs are for jesus.
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- It's to worship jesus.
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- It's not about what you want.
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- "let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me."
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- So you can't be doing your own thing and following jesus.
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- You have to surrender some things to jesus.
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- I'm gonna follow him,
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- "for whoever desires to save his life will lose it.
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- But whoever loses his life, for my sake, will find it.
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- For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world
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- And loses his own soul?
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- Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?"
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- So the world teaches you just try to be rich and famous.
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- It's all about what you can get,
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- All about your influence for yourself.
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- - right.
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- - your own fame. - right.
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- - your own riches.
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- It's not about what you can do for others.
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- It's about you.
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- And jesus's saying that you're actually gonna lose your soul
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- In that process and you can't put a price tag on that.
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- Only one person can save your soul.
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- Money can't save your soul.
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- A job can't save your soul,
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- And education can't save your soul.
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- A certain president can't save your soul.
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- Buddhism can't save your soul.
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- I was really surprised that in college,
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- How many people are buddhists, like new age buddhists.
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- Only jesus can save your soul.
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- - right.
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- - and this is something that jesus told his disciples,
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- This is a message to disciples of jesus.
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- So i love your definition of disciples.
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- - right?
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- A disciple first of all is a doer of the word.
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- If you're gonna be a disciple, by definition,
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- Disciple is one who hears what jesus said and does it.
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- In john 8, there were some,
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- Jews believed on jesus in verse 30.
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- And he said to them in verse 31,
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- "if you continue in my word,
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- You're gonna be my disciple indeed."
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- So not everyone who believes continues in the word.
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- And he says in verse 32,
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- "and you will know the truth if you continue in my word,"
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- If you believed on jesus, now continue.
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- Jesus is the living word.
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- Now, continue in his word and you'll be his disciple indeed.
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- "and you will know the truth,
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- And the truth will make you free."
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- - but you have to continue in the word.
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- Like you've known believers too.
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- I've known believers who say they believe on jesus.
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- I think they mean it from their heart
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- When they ask him to come into their life.
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- But at some point, they stop believing the word,
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- They stop following the word.
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- They kind of pick and choose from the word
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- And they aren't in the truth anymore.
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- - mark 4, in the parable of the sower,
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- Jesus said in verse, when he was explaining it
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- To his disciples in verse 13,
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- "if you can understand this parable,
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- Then you can understand the entire kingdom."
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- And there's four types of soil.
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- The soil represents our heart,
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- And then the sower,
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- I believe, represents the lord jesus christ.
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- And it says, the sower sows the word,
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- But the first type of soil
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- Immediately when the seed sown, right?
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- The enemy comes to steal the seed.
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- Satan is a enemy of the word,
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- Because he knows if the word takes root in your heart,
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- You're gonna become a threat to his kingdom,
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- To the kingdom of darkness.
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- - and his only power over a believer is deception,
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- Is to steer people away from truth.
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- And he does that in people's thoughts and their mind.
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- Like, "hey this won't really work for you.
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- These promises in scripture aren't really true.
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- Maybe, maybe it worked 2000 years ago,
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- But it's not gonna work today.
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- Maybe there's an expiration date on some of these promises
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- And expiration date on certain parts of the bible."
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- - no.
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- - and a lot of the church today has adopted that mentality,
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- Adopted that deception.
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- - and that really goes into the second type of soil,
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- Because in the second type of soil,
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- When it's like the stony soil,
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- And jesus said, "this is like those people who,
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- When they receive the word immediately,
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- They receive it with gladness.
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- So they're excited and they are,"
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- But it says, "when persecution or affliction comes
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- For the word sake,"
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- I've received more persecution and affliction
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- For the word sake from religious people than i've received.
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- Now, i have received persecution and affliction
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- From the world, but i've received-
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- - for the word sake.
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- - more persecution and affliction for the word's sake
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- From religious people
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- That really don't believe the word
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- Than i've ever received from the world.
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- - well, our media team took a little clip
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- Of an offering message i did here at church once.
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- And all i did was read one verse out of the bible.
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- I read from deuteronomy 28:11.
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- And the blessing, it says,
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- "god will clutter the world
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- Or the lord will cause you to overflow in prosperity."
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- - yeah. in the modern english version.
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- - i just read one verse outta the bible.
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- I didn't add any interpretation to it, right?
- 00:11:14.750 --> 00:11:16.718
- I just read one verse and just stood there.
- 00:11:16.718 --> 00:11:19.821
- And that got people more riled up than anything.
- 00:11:19.821 --> 00:11:22.657
- - most of our videos on youtube, you can check them out.
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- They have 90 plus percent positive feedback.
- 00:11:25.560 --> 00:11:29.097
- But that one, when it started out, was like 76%.
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- And all you said, "i think i'm gonna say something,"
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- Then you said you waited just 14 seconds
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- And it's called 14 seconds of silence.
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- And then you just said,
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- "well, i think i'll let the word defend itself." and-
- 00:11:42.577 --> 00:11:45.147
- - but persecution comes for the word sake.
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- - yeah, because people don't really believe
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- What the bible says.
- 00:11:50.252 --> 00:11:51.686
- - i didn't even give any personal stories or rephrase it.
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- I just read one sentence out of the bible.
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- - so when this first type of soil, right,
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- The seed is sowed on the,
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- It's like planting your seed on concrete-
- 00:12:04.332 --> 00:12:06.234
- - for word sake. - on a pavement road.
- 00:12:06.234 --> 00:12:08.303
- The birds come and eat it. satan comes and steal the word.
- 00:12:08.303 --> 00:12:10.639
- The second type of soil was the stony soil.
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- And that's like, because they,
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- It says because they have no root in themselves.
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- They receive the word with gladness,
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- But because they have no root,
- 00:12:23.084 --> 00:12:24.352
- They don't bring any lasting fruit.
- 00:12:24.352 --> 00:12:26.822
- And persecution and affliction comes, right?
- 00:12:26.822 --> 00:12:29.357
- Then there's the third type of soil,
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- Which is the weedy soil.
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- And the weeds grow with the good seed,
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- But the weeds choke that.
- 00:12:37.299 --> 00:12:39.968
- And the good seed can't bring forth good fruit,
- 00:12:40.902 --> 00:12:42.838
- But the last type of soil, here's where i wanted to get,
- 00:12:42.838 --> 00:12:44.806
- Because this fits so much with what you're saying.
- 00:12:44.806 --> 00:12:47.876
- And it says in mark 4:20, it says this,
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- "those who are sown on the good soil,
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- Are those who hear the word
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- And they receive the word."
- 00:12:59.754 --> 00:13:01.489
- Not everybody who hears the word receives the word, right?
- 00:13:01.489 --> 00:13:05.660
- And they bring forth fruit.
- 00:13:05.660 --> 00:13:07.462
- And so you've gotta receive the word.
- 00:13:07.462 --> 00:13:09.698
- Not everybody hears the word continues in the word.
- 00:13:09.698 --> 00:13:13.301
- Not everybody becomes a disciple.
- 00:13:13.301 --> 00:13:15.303
- Not everybody who, if you look at james 2,
- 00:13:15.303 --> 00:13:18.807
- Hears the word, does the word continues in the word.
- 00:13:18.807 --> 00:13:23.011
- So if you want the word really to bring forth the harvest,
- 00:13:23.011 --> 00:13:25.747
- This bible is full of promises that are good for us.
- 00:13:25.747 --> 00:13:29.618
- But if we really wanna see those promises come to pass,
- 00:13:29.618 --> 00:13:33.555
- We've got to receive the word.
- 00:13:33.555 --> 00:13:36.024
- We've gotta continue in the word
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- And become doers of the word,
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- Because it's not the hearers of the word that are blessed,
- 00:13:39.494 --> 00:13:42.097
- It's the doers of the work.
- 00:13:42.097 --> 00:13:44.065
- It says in james 1:5,
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- "whoever you know looks into this perfect law of liberty
- 00:13:46.868 --> 00:13:49.638
- Calls the new testament, the new covenant,
- 00:13:49.638 --> 00:13:52.173
- The perfect law of liberty, and continues therein."
- 00:13:52.173 --> 00:13:55.810
- This person will be blessed in his deep,
- 00:13:55.810 --> 00:13:57.779
- God wants you to be blessed,
- 00:13:57.779 --> 00:13:59.648
- But what are we doing with what he's given us?
- 00:13:59.648 --> 00:14:01.516
- And that's what you're really saying,
- 00:14:01.516 --> 00:14:03.051
- Becoming a disciple is becoming a doer of the word.
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- 00:14:28.743 --> 00:14:33.415
- - and to be a doer of the word
- 00:14:34.049 --> 00:14:36.451
- Means you want to be like jesus, because jesus is the word,
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- He's the word made flesh so if you're gonna follow jesus,
- 00:14:40.121 --> 00:14:44.125
- You're gonna value the word,
- 00:14:44.125 --> 00:14:46.261
- I like something you've said before.
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- I dunno if you said it recently, but you could,
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- You said, "i can tell how in love someone is with jesus
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- By how in love they are with the word."
- 00:14:53.935 --> 00:14:56.671
- - yeah. i love the word.
- 00:14:56.671 --> 00:14:58.173
- And people actually, when they watch me,
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- Or come to church or watch, they actually can tell,
- 00:15:00.041 --> 00:15:04.612
- They said, "it's evident that you love the word."
- 00:15:04.612 --> 00:15:07.115
- Well, the word of god has literally changed my life.
- 00:15:07.115 --> 00:15:10.719
- When i got, number one, i got born again
- 00:15:10.719 --> 00:15:13.621
- When i was eight years old,
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- And i was taught by my father
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- That we honored the word of god.
- 00:15:17.225 --> 00:15:18.593
- Now, we didn't always know what it said,
- 00:15:18.593 --> 00:15:20.962
- But my dad honored somebody if they would teach the bible.
- 00:15:20.962 --> 00:15:24.632
- So then it kind of set us up for success
- 00:15:24.632 --> 00:15:27.535
- Because when we got involved in andrew wong's bible studies
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- When i was just eight years old,
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- Andrew was teaching the word,
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- And it was contrary to our religion and tradition.
- 00:15:35.944 --> 00:15:40.215
- But it set us up for success
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- Because i came away from the very first meeting thinking,
- 00:15:42.484 --> 00:15:45.620
- "thank god i don't have to be sick, poor,
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- And defeated by the devil.
- 00:15:47.489 --> 00:15:48.823
- I can believe the word of god."
- 00:15:48.823 --> 00:15:50.358
- And when you believe the word of god
- 00:15:50.358 --> 00:15:52.694
- Is when the word really begins to change your life.
- 00:15:52.694 --> 00:15:55.497
- And in a short time after that,
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- I was baptized in the holy spirit.
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- And one of the first things
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- That the baptism of the holy spirit will do
- 00:16:01.536 --> 00:16:03.638
- Is cause the word to come alive to you.
- 00:16:03.638 --> 00:16:05.540
- The word of god literally came alive to me.
- 00:16:05.540 --> 00:16:09.244
- And when you read in john 14:26 jesus said,
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- "when we're baptizing the holy spirit,
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- The holy spirit will take the things that i've said,
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- The word of god, and bring it to your remembrance."
- 00:16:18.420 --> 00:16:21.756
- The holy spirit will reveal the word,
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- Bring it to your remembrance.
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- And if you're not in love with the word,
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- Jesus and the word are one,
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- You're not really in love with jesus.
- 00:16:30.198 --> 00:16:33.001
- - something that's kinda interesting,
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- Like around the same time
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- That you were baptized in the holy spirit.
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- I know mom as a teenager was baptizing the holy spirit.
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- And she said something that's kinda interesting,
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- Like her parents took her to church growing up,
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- But she remembers being at a service.
- 00:16:46.915 --> 00:16:48.349
- And the minister was preaching from acts,
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- Like acts 2 about what happened
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- And how they prayed in tongues.
- 00:16:52.854 --> 00:16:54.889
- And the pastor said, "this isn't for today."
- 00:16:54.889 --> 00:16:56.891
- He like, read from the bible and then preached against it.
- 00:16:56.891 --> 00:17:00.161
- And she said, "well, it's in the bible"
- 00:17:00.161 --> 00:17:02.230
- She just had this thought, "then it's for me."
- 00:17:02.230 --> 00:17:04.833
- - yeah. mom was raised in a traditional church like i was.
- 00:17:04.833 --> 00:17:08.169
- So when she was in this church,
- 00:17:08.169 --> 00:17:10.305
- When she was about eight years old,
- 00:17:10.305 --> 00:17:12.006
- The minister read these scriptures on speaking in tongues
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- And then said and the baptism of the holy spirit said,
- 00:17:15.210 --> 00:17:18.046
- "this is not for today."
- 00:17:18.046 --> 00:17:19.180
- And she just got the opposite.
- 00:17:19.180 --> 00:17:21.149
- She thought, "well, you know what, if it's in the bible,
- 00:17:21.149 --> 00:17:23.751
- That means it's for me."
- 00:17:23.751 --> 00:17:25.386
- And so then later in her life,
- 00:17:25.386 --> 00:17:27.489
- When she was a teenager, right?
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- And her parents fell on some hard times, her mom,
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- Because her mom went to this traditional church
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- And they said, "oh don't do this.
- 00:17:35.463 --> 00:17:37.866
- Don't believe her that."
- 00:17:37.866 --> 00:17:38.800
- And she said, "no, that's,"
- 00:17:38.800 --> 00:17:40.702
- Actually, barbara's dad, mom's dad had left.
- 00:17:40.702 --> 00:17:44.572
- And and she said, "no."
- 00:17:44.572 --> 00:17:46.441
- She said, "that is my husband,
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- And i'm gonna believe god for him."
- 00:17:48.743 --> 00:17:50.812
- So they actually went to a spirit field church.
- 00:17:50.812 --> 00:17:52.747
- This was in 1978, and the charismatic movement.
- 00:17:52.747 --> 00:17:56.351
- And immediately they heard crazy things.
- 00:17:56.351 --> 00:17:59.621
- This was dave duell's church.
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- It was meeting in greeley, colorado
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- Meeting in a cattle sale barn.
- 00:18:02.624 --> 00:18:04.492
- She heard that people were swinging from the chandeliers
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- And rolling on the floor.
- 00:18:06.861 --> 00:18:08.463
- And she said when she went there,
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- She didn't see any chandeliers
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- And she didn't see anybody rolling on the floor,
- 00:18:11.499 --> 00:18:13.601
- But she said she did see this man fire running around.
- 00:18:13.601 --> 00:18:17.105
- And it looked like he had a fire on his head,
- 00:18:17.105 --> 00:18:18.973
- And she could recognize that he was full of the love of god.
- 00:18:18.973 --> 00:18:23.578
- Well, this was dave duell, and their own church.
- 00:18:23.578 --> 00:18:27.115
- They were going without food.
- 00:18:27.115 --> 00:18:29.017
- They were living in a basement,
- 00:18:29.017 --> 00:18:31.019
- That it was really hard times in their own church
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- Where they'd went for years, didn't do anything,
- 00:18:34.689 --> 00:18:36.758
- And they didn't even tell anybody at this church
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- That they had any needs
- 00:18:38.893 --> 00:18:40.528
- We're talking about when they went to dave duell's.
- 00:18:40.528 --> 00:18:42.030
- And then he showed up at their house with the check,
- 00:18:42.030 --> 00:18:44.465
- And barbara said, i knew god talked to people.
- 00:18:44.465 --> 00:18:47.268
- God actually talked to your mom once, who was a little girl.
- 00:18:47.268 --> 00:18:50.171
- Her mom was having extreme emotional problems.
- 00:18:50.171 --> 00:18:53.241
- And jesus actually came and spoke to mom
- 00:18:53.241 --> 00:18:56.311
- While she was laying on the grass as a little girl.
- 00:18:56.311 --> 00:18:59.080
- And so mom's had a really phenomenal relationship with god
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- From a young child.
- 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:07.388
- And then it just magnified
- 00:19:07.388 --> 00:19:09.557
- When she got in this spirit field church
- 00:19:09.557 --> 00:19:11.926
- And then later got baptized in the holy spirit.
- 00:19:11.926 --> 00:19:14.195
- - and one common thing actually,
- 00:19:14.195 --> 00:19:15.730
- That i've realized when people do receive
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- The baptism holy spirit,
- 00:19:18.233 --> 00:19:19.701
- Is they have just a strong love for the word of god,
- 00:19:19.701 --> 00:19:21.369
- And it just comes alive to them.
- 00:19:21.369 --> 00:19:23.638
- When i was in college,
- 00:19:23.638 --> 00:19:25.139
- I ministered to a friend of mine who really love god,
- 00:19:25.139 --> 00:19:28.610
- But was struggling
- 00:19:28.610 --> 00:19:30.545
- And i took her to a healing evangelist meeting billy burke.
- 00:19:31.713 --> 00:19:36.718
- And she saw these miracles
- 00:19:36.718 --> 00:19:38.653
- And she was really struggling physically.
- 00:19:38.653 --> 00:19:40.989
- She had really bad tendonitis
- 00:19:40.989 --> 00:19:43.258
- And was a flute player like myself,
- 00:19:43.258 --> 00:19:45.126
- But she couldn't play her.
- 00:19:45.126 --> 00:19:46.527
- Her tendonitis was so bad, she had to get therapy
- 00:19:46.527 --> 00:19:48.463
- And steroid shots, and she couldn't even open a door,
- 00:19:48.463 --> 00:19:51.199
- A doorknob, but after these meetings,
- 00:19:51.199 --> 00:19:54.569
- I just asked her if she wanted to receive the holy spirit
- 00:19:54.569 --> 00:19:56.504
- And receive that power, and she said, "yes."
- 00:19:56.504 --> 00:19:58.439
- And i, i prayed for a simple prayer
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- And her arms started shaking,
- 00:20:00.008 --> 00:20:01.309
- And she actually fell on the floor
- 00:20:01.309 --> 00:20:03.144
- And was rolling on the floor, praying in tongues.
- 00:20:03.144 --> 00:20:06.047
- She's like a sponge, just absorbing the holy spirit.
- 00:20:07.081 --> 00:20:09.651
- But after that happened, for weeks,
- 00:20:09.651 --> 00:20:11.886
- Every time she read the bible,
- 00:20:11.886 --> 00:20:13.221
- Her hands would just start shaking.
- 00:20:13.221 --> 00:20:14.922
- - yes.
- 00:20:14.922 --> 00:20:15.790
- - just for weeks.
- 00:20:15.790 --> 00:20:17.125
- She told me every time she'd open up the bible
- 00:20:17.125 --> 00:20:18.660
- And start reading, her hands would start shaking.
- 00:20:18.660 --> 00:20:20.995
- But it made the scripture just come alive to her.
- 00:20:20.995 --> 00:20:24.198
- - yeah.
- 00:20:24.198 --> 00:20:25.033
- - and if you love jesus
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- And haven't received the baptism of the holy spirit,
- 00:20:26.467 --> 00:20:29.337
- Man, you're gonna love the holy spirit
- 00:20:30.138 --> 00:20:31.539
- Because he's gonna intensify
- 00:20:31.539 --> 00:20:34.309
- Your relationship with jesus,
- 00:20:34.309 --> 00:20:36.411
- And he's gonna intensify
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- Your relationship with the word of god.
- 00:20:38.046 --> 00:20:40.581
- - right.
- 00:20:40.581 --> 00:20:41.983
- If you haven't received the baptism of holy spirit,
- 00:20:41.983 --> 00:20:43.284
- You should call in to our ministry today
- 00:20:43.284 --> 00:20:46.721
- And pray with our prayer ministers and receive that.
- 00:20:46.721 --> 00:20:49.957
- That's a gift that's available to believers.
- 00:20:49.957 --> 00:20:53.494
- You must be born again,
- 00:20:53.494 --> 00:20:55.196
- If you haven't received jesus as your savior,
- 00:20:55.196 --> 00:20:57.332
- You're not born again,
- 00:20:57.332 --> 00:20:58.599
- You should receive jesus as your savior.
- 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:00.401
- But you should also go ahead as a believer
- 00:21:00.401 --> 00:21:03.905
- And receive the baptism of the holy spirit.
- 00:21:03.905 --> 00:21:06.474
- It will light up your life.
- 00:21:06.474 --> 00:21:08.843
- - that's awesome. well, yeah.
- 00:21:09.477 --> 00:21:11.713
- And it'll just intensify a relationship with jesus.
- 00:21:11.713 --> 00:21:15.917
- - right? let's go back to this scripture.
- 00:21:15.917 --> 00:21:17.785
- Where jesus is talking about this.
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- In matthew 16, where you started in verse 24 and 25,
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- Jesus said, "if any man will come after me,
- 00:21:24.192 --> 00:21:26.461
- You let him deny himself."
- 00:21:26.461 --> 00:21:28.463
- You're either gonna go your way or go god's way.
- 00:21:28.463 --> 00:21:32.767
- But if you go god's way, you've gotta surrender to jesus.
- 00:21:32.767 --> 00:21:37.739
- And he says, "take up his cross and follow me," right.
- 00:21:37.739 --> 00:21:41.876
- Become a follower of jesus, a christ follower.
- 00:21:41.876 --> 00:21:45.046
- And that's not doing your own thing.
- 00:21:45.046 --> 00:21:47.115
- And just asking god to bless it.
- 00:21:47.115 --> 00:21:48.983
- That's like, jesus, what do you want me to do?
- 00:21:48.983 --> 00:21:51.386
- And when you start following him closely
- 00:21:51.386 --> 00:21:53.821
- And doing what he wants you to do,
- 00:21:53.821 --> 00:21:54.922
- The blessing's already there.
- 00:21:54.922 --> 00:21:57.158
- And he says, "for whoever will save his life, a few."
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- And this word for life in verse 25
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- Is actually the greek word psuche, if i'm correct,
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- It's talking about your soul.
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- You don't follow your own thoughts, your own way.
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- You gotta begin to, my god says,
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- "my thoughts are higher than your thoughts.
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- My ways are higher than your ways."
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- So you surrender your life,
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- But you also surrender your thought life.
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- - well, and it says that god has not given us
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- A spirit of fear, right?
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- But of power of love and a sound mind.
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- So if you're dealing with thoughts of fear,
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- You can say, these aren't from god.
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- God actually gives me power.
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- He gives me love, he gives me a sound mind.
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- So this anxiety, this fear, this torment,
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- I wanna surrender that.
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- I'm gonna lay that down.
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- I'm gonna give that to jesus,
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- And i'm gonna receive what he has from me.
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- - and i mean, it's not like if you're a believer
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- In baptizing the holy spirit,
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- Your every thought is gonna be good.
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- Because i know sometimes the devil attacks me,
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- But the way that i know in my thought life,
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- The way that i know the difference
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- Is because of what the word of god says.
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- So if it doesn't agree with the word, i don't receive it.
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- I stand against it. and i believe what god says about me.
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- And you need to believe what god says about you.
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- And he says, "whoever will save his life will lose it.
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- But whoever loses sight of his own life,
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- For my sake shall find it."
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- I think in one of the other gospels,
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- Jesus said, "whoever loses his own life,
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- For my sake in the gospels is gonna find it,"
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- Are you letting go of who you are
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- And what your carnal thoughts,
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- Your fleshly thoughts,
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- And taking up god's thoughts in the word
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- And saying, "jesus, wherever you want me to go,
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- Whatever you want me to do, whatever your word says,"
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- James, we quoted james 1:21, i believe it says,
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- "receive with meekness the engrafted word."
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- And we need to take a meek attitude toward the word of god
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- So we can become a hearer, not only a hearer,
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- But a doer of the word.
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- Become a true disciple of jesus,
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- And really bring forth fruit in his kingdom.
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- - yeah, and maybe you're watching this right now,
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- And you've asked jesus to be your lord.
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- You've asked him to end your heart,
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- But maybe you haven't really been following after him.
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- You've been kind of doing your own thing.
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- Jesus is calling you right now.
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- I believe that he's calling people
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- To really follow after him with everything they have.
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- And to make a real impact for him to be a real influence.
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- There are people around you,
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- There are people in your life,
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- Maybe people in your own home,
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- People in your neighborhood, people at work,
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- People that you see at the grocery.
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- There are people that only you will reach with the gospel.
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- The only jesus they're gonna see is the jesus in you.
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- And to really shine bright for jesus,
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- You have to be completely, completely,
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- 100% sold out for jesus.
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- So if you feel like you've been holding back,
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- You've been kind of doing your own thing.
- 00:24:51.966 --> 00:24:53.568
- But you know what? i wanna be completely sold out for jesus.
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- I want to be a fanatic. i wanna be different.
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- I wanna stand out.
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- I don't wanna look like everyone else.
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- I don't wanna look like the world.
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- I wanna look like jesus.
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- - the rewards are amazing.
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- And just say, "i want to completely dedicate my life
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- To jesus.
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- I want to be 100% sold out for him."
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- And when you do that,
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- That'll shift things drastically in your life.
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