Lawson Perdue - Jesus Influencers (Part 6)

June 2, 2025 | S25:E2302

Pastor Lawson Perdue from the Charis Christian Center outreach speaks to viewers across the globe about the practical message of Jesus Christ

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Grace for Today with Lawson Perdue | Lawson Perdue - Jesus Influencers (Part 6) | June 2, 2025
  • (cheerful music)
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  • - hi, friends.
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  • Welcome to the broadcast.
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  • I'm so glad that you've tuned in.
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  • We are sharing today on being a jesus influencer.
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  • How can we as believers influencer the world around us?
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  • I don't believe that we can really influence the world
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  • Effectively without becoming disciples
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  • Of the lord jesus christ, or followers of christ.
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  • What does that mean?
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  • We'll share more about it. blessings.
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  • (cheerful music)
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  • Friends. we're so glad that you're with us today.
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  • And i'm glad to have aaron with me, and god is so good.
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  • And you've recently done a teaching
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  • On being a jesus influencer.
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  • In other words, how do we make a difference
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  • In this world by sharing jesus.
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  • - and we're all created to share jesus.
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  • We're all created in his image. we're to be like him.
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  • We're to be like god.
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  • And really impact people in that way.
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  • And too many believers
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  • Are actually kind of conforming to the world.
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  • Like it's hard to tell the difference
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  • Between someone who's a christian and someone who isn't.
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  • And we should really stand out.
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  • And one thing i kinda learned,
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  • I actually went to secular universities for my education.
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  • I went to bachelor's, master's, doctorate.
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  • And there weren't a lot of christians in my field,
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  • A whole lot of christians where i studied.
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  • But i stood out.
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  • People knew there was something different about me.
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  • - praise god.
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  • - and if you're following jesus,
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  • You're gonna stand out
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  • And you're also gonna make an impact on people, right?
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  • You're gonna influence people in a positive way,
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  • - right?
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  • And we can be a witness wherever we are.
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  • We can be a witness in our neighborhood with our friends.
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  • We can be a witness when we go to the grocery store,
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  • When we go to walmart at our work,
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  • Wherever we are, we should be making a difference
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  • For the lord jesus christ.
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  • And people should be able to tell
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  • That there's a difference in us.
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  • I recently was on a flight, and i was coming back
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  • And i was just visiting with this young man.
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  • And as i was visiting with him,
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  • It's like the lord showed me that he had been in church,
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  • His family were christians, but he currently wasn't.
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  • And he was like 23 years old.
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  • And so i was talking to him about himself,
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  • And then he just asked me
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  • Right after the lord showed me this.
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  • He said, "well, what do you do?"
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  • And i said, "well, i'm a pastor."
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  • And he had been really involved in church
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  • Up to the time that he was 17.
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  • But he said he was actually shocked that i was a pastor
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  • And i was communicating with him.
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  • And but we had a great conversation.
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  • - that's awesome.
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  • I wanna start with the scripture here.
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  • To really be a jesus influencer,
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  • To be a leader, to really stand out
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  • And make a difference for jesus,
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  • You first have to be a follower,
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  • And to be a good leader in his kingdom,
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  • To impact other people, you have to follow jesus.
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  • You can't just do your own thing,
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  • A lot of people just want to do their own thing,
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  • And that's not how it works.
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  • That's not how his kingdom works.
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  • He actually calls us into relationships with other people.
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  • But you have to really follow jesus.
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  • - when jesus first talked to his disciples,
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  • He said, "follow me and i will make you fishers of men."
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  • - it starts with following him.
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  • - yeah. and then when we follow him, he makes us.
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  • This fits in with what you're saying,
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  • But i believe, when we follow jesus,
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  • He makes us into what he wants us to be.
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  • Whether that's a banker, a housewife,
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  • A school teacher, a welder.
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  • And when we do what he wants us to do
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  • And become what he wants us to be,
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  • We'll become a fisher of men wherever we're at.
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  • - yeah, this is something we'll kind of talk about
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  • In a later program about being a fisher of men.
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  • God kind of spoke to me and said,
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  • "you need to be a fisher of men,
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  • Or you'll be fished by men."
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  • And it kind of flows with what we'll talk about today.
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  • How like, if you're not really following jesus,
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  • You're gonna conform to the world.
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  • And i taught this message to our youth,
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  • And i told them about my best friend in high school,
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  • How he went off to college
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  • And he went to a christian college,
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  • But he wanted to be a non-conformist.
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  • So he became a hippie.
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  • He like wouldn't shave or cut his hair.
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  • He'd only shot once every two weeks.
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  • He kind of became an atheist, a communist.
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  • And eventually his grades started suffering.
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  • So his parents pulled him out
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  • And he went to community college for a little bit,
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  • And then went to the university of colorado boulder.
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  • And when he was there, he realized,
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  • "i'm not a non-conformist,
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  • I'm the same as everyone else."
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  • Because they're in boulder.
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  • Everyone's an atheist, everyone's a communist,
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  • Everyone smokes marijuana.
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  • He just realized,
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  • "i really conformed to the vast majority of people."
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  • And he rededicated his life to the lord.
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  • He's very involved in church, he is married.
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  • He has four kids, a fifth on the way.
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  • Like he reads his bible with his oldest daughter every day.
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  • He's trying to,
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  • And he's realized that by being married, by going to church,
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  • By reading the bible, by like, that's non-conforming.
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  • - right? we don't want to-
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  • - that's breaking the mold
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  • Of what's considered normal in the world today.
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  • - right?
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  • So if we're born again, right,
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  • If jesus is living in us, there should be fruit.
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  • Which some of your scripture
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  • Is gonna be talking about being a disciple.
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  • And one thing about being a disciple, a follower of jesus,
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  • A christ follower, is that you're gonna bring forth fruit.
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  • - amen.
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  • So, i wanna read this verse, something jesus said
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  • In matthew 16:24-26, it says,
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  • "jesus said to his disciples,"
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  • And i like how you define disciples,
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  • We'll talk that in a minute,
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  • But he says to his disciples,
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  • So this is a word for every disciple of jesus.
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  • It says, "if anyone desires to come after me,
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  • Let him deny himself.
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  • It's not about what you want."
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  • This is something i tell our church.
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  • A lot of people have this mindset
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  • When they come to church.
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  • "it's what i want."
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  • I wanna do the songs i wanna do.
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  • And really, the songs are for jesus.
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  • It's to worship jesus.
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  • It's not about what you want.
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  • "let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me."
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  • So you can't be doing your own thing and following jesus.
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  • You have to surrender some things to jesus.
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  • I'm gonna follow him,
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  • "for whoever desires to save his life will lose it.
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  • But whoever loses his life, for my sake, will find it.
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  • For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world
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  • And loses his own soul?
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  • Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?"
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  • So the world teaches you just try to be rich and famous.
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  • It's all about what you can get,
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  • All about your influence for yourself.
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  • - right.
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  • - your own fame. - right.
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  • - your own riches.
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  • It's not about what you can do for others.
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  • It's about you.
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  • And jesus's saying that you're actually gonna lose your soul
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  • In that process and you can't put a price tag on that.
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  • Only one person can save your soul.
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  • Money can't save your soul.
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  • A job can't save your soul,
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  • And education can't save your soul.
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  • A certain president can't save your soul.
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  • Buddhism can't save your soul.
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  • I was really surprised that in college,
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  • How many people are buddhists, like new age buddhists.
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  • Only jesus can save your soul.
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  • - right.
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  • - and this is something that jesus told his disciples,
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  • This is a message to disciples of jesus.
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  • So i love your definition of disciples.
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  • - right?
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  • A disciple first of all is a doer of the word.
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  • If you're gonna be a disciple, by definition,
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  • Disciple is one who hears what jesus said and does it.
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  • In john 8, there were some,
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  • Jews believed on jesus in verse 30.
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  • And he said to them in verse 31,
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  • "if you continue in my word,
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  • You're gonna be my disciple indeed."
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  • So not everyone who believes continues in the word.
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  • And he says in verse 32,
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  • "and you will know the truth if you continue in my word,"
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  • If you believed on jesus, now continue.
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  • Jesus is the living word.
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  • Now, continue in his word and you'll be his disciple indeed.
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  • "and you will know the truth,
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  • And the truth will make you free."
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  • - but you have to continue in the word.
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  • Like you've known believers too.
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  • I've known believers who say they believe on jesus.
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  • I think they mean it from their heart
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  • When they ask him to come into their life.
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  • But at some point, they stop believing the word,
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  • They stop following the word.
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  • They kind of pick and choose from the word
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  • And they aren't in the truth anymore.
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  • - mark 4, in the parable of the sower,
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  • Jesus said in verse, when he was explaining it
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  • To his disciples in verse 13,
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  • "if you can understand this parable,
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  • Then you can understand the entire kingdom."
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  • And there's four types of soil.
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  • The soil represents our heart,
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  • And then the sower,
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  • I believe, represents the lord jesus christ.
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  • And it says, the sower sows the word,
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  • But the first type of soil
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  • Immediately when the seed sown, right?
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  • The enemy comes to steal the seed.
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  • Satan is a enemy of the word,
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  • Because he knows if the word takes root in your heart,
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  • You're gonna become a threat to his kingdom,
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  • To the kingdom of darkness.
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  • - and his only power over a believer is deception,
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  • Is to steer people away from truth.
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  • And he does that in people's thoughts and their mind.
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  • Like, "hey this won't really work for you.
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  • These promises in scripture aren't really true.
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  • Maybe, maybe it worked 2000 years ago,
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  • But it's not gonna work today.
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  • Maybe there's an expiration date on some of these promises
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  • And expiration date on certain parts of the bible."
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  • - no.
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  • - and a lot of the church today has adopted that mentality,
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  • Adopted that deception.
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  • - and that really goes into the second type of soil,
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  • Because in the second type of soil,
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  • When it's like the stony soil,
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  • And jesus said, "this is like those people who,
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  • When they receive the word immediately,
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  • They receive it with gladness.
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  • So they're excited and they are,"
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  • But it says, "when persecution or affliction comes
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  • For the word sake,"
  • 00:10:31.239 --> 00:10:32.941
  • I've received more persecution and affliction
  • 00:10:32.941 --> 00:10:36.411
  • For the word sake from religious people than i've received.
  • 00:10:36.411 --> 00:10:40.282
  • Now, i have received persecution and affliction
  • 00:10:40.282 --> 00:10:42.184
  • From the world, but i've received-
  • 00:10:42.184 --> 00:10:43.919
  • - for the word sake.
  • 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:45.420
  • - more persecution and affliction for the word's sake
  • 00:10:45.420 --> 00:10:48.657
  • From religious people
  • 00:10:48.657 --> 00:10:49.958
  • That really don't believe the word
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  • Than i've ever received from the world.
  • 00:10:51.827 --> 00:10:53.328
  • - well, our media team took a little clip
  • 00:10:53.328 --> 00:10:55.497
  • Of an offering message i did here at church once.
  • 00:10:55.497 --> 00:10:57.566
  • And all i did was read one verse out of the bible.
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  • I read from deuteronomy 28:11.
  • 00:11:00.268 --> 00:11:05.407
  • And the blessing, it says,
  • 00:11:05.974 --> 00:11:06.908
  • "god will clutter the world
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  • Or the lord will cause you to overflow in prosperity."
  • 00:11:09.010 --> 00:11:11.213
  • - yeah. in the modern english version.
  • 00:11:11.213 --> 00:11:12.647
  • - i just read one verse outta the bible.
  • 00:11:12.647 --> 00:11:14.750
  • I didn't add any interpretation to it, right?
  • 00:11:14.750 --> 00:11:16.718
  • I just read one verse and just stood there.
  • 00:11:16.718 --> 00:11:19.821
  • And that got people more riled up than anything.
  • 00:11:19.821 --> 00:11:22.657
  • - most of our videos on youtube, you can check them out.
  • 00:11:22.657 --> 00:11:25.560
  • They have 90 plus percent positive feedback.
  • 00:11:25.560 --> 00:11:29.097
  • But that one, when it started out, was like 76%.
  • 00:11:29.097 --> 00:11:33.201
  • And all you said, "i think i'm gonna say something,"
  • 00:11:33.201 --> 00:11:35.804
  • Then you said you waited just 14 seconds
  • 00:11:35.804 --> 00:11:38.540
  • And it's called 14 seconds of silence.
  • 00:11:38.540 --> 00:11:41.042
  • And then you just said,
  • 00:11:41.042 --> 00:11:42.577
  • "well, i think i'll let the word defend itself." and-
  • 00:11:42.577 --> 00:11:45.147
  • - but persecution comes for the word sake.
  • 00:11:45.147 --> 00:11:46.648
  • - yeah, because people don't really believe
  • 00:11:46.648 --> 00:11:50.252
  • What the bible says.
  • 00:11:50.252 --> 00:11:51.686
  • - i didn't even give any personal stories or rephrase it.
  • 00:11:51.686 --> 00:11:55.190
  • I just read one sentence out of the bible.
  • 00:11:55.190 --> 00:11:59.661
  • - so when this first type of soil, right,
  • 00:11:59.661 --> 00:12:02.297
  • The seed is sowed on the,
  • 00:12:02.297 --> 00:12:04.332
  • It's like planting your seed on concrete-
  • 00:12:04.332 --> 00:12:06.234
  • - for word sake. - on a pavement road.
  • 00:12:06.234 --> 00:12:08.303
  • The birds come and eat it. satan comes and steal the word.
  • 00:12:08.303 --> 00:12:10.639
  • The second type of soil was the stony soil.
  • 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:14.276
  • And that's like, because they,
  • 00:12:14.276 --> 00:12:16.778
  • It says because they have no root in themselves.
  • 00:12:16.778 --> 00:12:20.816
  • They receive the word with gladness,
  • 00:12:20.816 --> 00:12:23.084
  • But because they have no root,
  • 00:12:23.084 --> 00:12:24.352
  • They don't bring any lasting fruit.
  • 00:12:24.352 --> 00:12:26.822
  • And persecution and affliction comes, right?
  • 00:12:26.822 --> 00:12:29.357
  • Then there's the third type of soil,
  • 00:12:29.357 --> 00:12:31.493
  • Which is the weedy soil.
  • 00:12:31.493 --> 00:12:33.628
  • And the weeds grow with the good seed,
  • 00:12:33.628 --> 00:12:37.299
  • But the weeds choke that.
  • 00:12:37.299 --> 00:12:39.968
  • And the good seed can't bring forth good fruit,
  • 00:12:40.902 --> 00:12:42.838
  • But the last type of soil, here's where i wanted to get,
  • 00:12:42.838 --> 00:12:44.806
  • Because this fits so much with what you're saying.
  • 00:12:44.806 --> 00:12:47.876
  • And it says in mark 4:20, it says this,
  • 00:12:47.876 --> 00:12:52.480
  • "those who are sown on the good soil,
  • 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.917
  • Are those who hear the word
  • 00:12:55.917 --> 00:12:59.754
  • And they receive the word."
  • 00:12:59.754 --> 00:13:01.489
  • Not everybody who hears the word receives the word, right?
  • 00:13:01.489 --> 00:13:05.660
  • And they bring forth fruit.
  • 00:13:05.660 --> 00:13:07.462
  • And so you've gotta receive the word.
  • 00:13:07.462 --> 00:13:09.698
  • Not everybody hears the word continues in the word.
  • 00:13:09.698 --> 00:13:13.301
  • Not everybody becomes a disciple.
  • 00:13:13.301 --> 00:13:15.303
  • Not everybody who, if you look at james 2,
  • 00:13:15.303 --> 00:13:18.807
  • Hears the word, does the word continues in the word.
  • 00:13:18.807 --> 00:13:23.011
  • So if you want the word really to bring forth the harvest,
  • 00:13:23.011 --> 00:13:25.747
  • This bible is full of promises that are good for us.
  • 00:13:25.747 --> 00:13:29.618
  • But if we really wanna see those promises come to pass,
  • 00:13:29.618 --> 00:13:33.555
  • We've got to receive the word.
  • 00:13:33.555 --> 00:13:36.024
  • We've gotta continue in the word
  • 00:13:36.024 --> 00:13:37.759
  • And become doers of the word,
  • 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:39.494
  • Because it's not the hearers of the word that are blessed,
  • 00:13:39.494 --> 00:13:42.097
  • It's the doers of the work.
  • 00:13:42.097 --> 00:13:44.065
  • It says in james 1:5,
  • 00:13:44.065 --> 00:13:46.868
  • "whoever you know looks into this perfect law of liberty
  • 00:13:46.868 --> 00:13:49.638
  • Calls the new testament, the new covenant,
  • 00:13:49.638 --> 00:13:52.173
  • The perfect law of liberty, and continues therein."
  • 00:13:52.173 --> 00:13:55.810
  • This person will be blessed in his deep,
  • 00:13:55.810 --> 00:13:57.779
  • God wants you to be blessed,
  • 00:13:57.779 --> 00:13:59.648
  • But what are we doing with what he's given us?
  • 00:13:59.648 --> 00:14:01.516
  • And that's what you're really saying,
  • 00:14:01.516 --> 00:14:03.051
  • Becoming a disciple is becoming a doer of the word.
  • 00:14:03.051 --> 00:14:06.821
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  • 00:14:28.743 --> 00:14:33.415
  • - and to be a doer of the word
  • 00:14:34.049 --> 00:14:36.451
  • Means you want to be like jesus, because jesus is the word,
  • 00:14:36.451 --> 00:14:40.121
  • He's the word made flesh so if you're gonna follow jesus,
  • 00:14:40.121 --> 00:14:44.125
  • You're gonna value the word,
  • 00:14:44.125 --> 00:14:46.261
  • I like something you've said before.
  • 00:14:46.261 --> 00:14:47.829
  • I dunno if you said it recently, but you could,
  • 00:14:47.829 --> 00:14:50.065
  • You said, "i can tell how in love someone is with jesus
  • 00:14:50.065 --> 00:14:53.935
  • By how in love they are with the word."
  • 00:14:53.935 --> 00:14:56.671
  • - yeah. i love the word.
  • 00:14:56.671 --> 00:14:58.173
  • And people actually, when they watch me,
  • 00:14:58.173 --> 00:15:00.041
  • Or come to church or watch, they actually can tell,
  • 00:15:00.041 --> 00:15:04.612
  • They said, "it's evident that you love the word."
  • 00:15:04.612 --> 00:15:07.115
  • Well, the word of god has literally changed my life.
  • 00:15:07.115 --> 00:15:10.719
  • When i got, number one, i got born again
  • 00:15:10.719 --> 00:15:13.621
  • When i was eight years old,
  • 00:15:13.621 --> 00:15:15.657
  • And i was taught by my father
  • 00:15:15.657 --> 00:15:17.225
  • That we honored the word of god.
  • 00:15:17.225 --> 00:15:18.593
  • Now, we didn't always know what it said,
  • 00:15:18.593 --> 00:15:20.962
  • But my dad honored somebody if they would teach the bible.
  • 00:15:20.962 --> 00:15:24.632
  • So then it kind of set us up for success
  • 00:15:24.632 --> 00:15:27.535
  • Because when we got involved in andrew wong's bible studies
  • 00:15:27.535 --> 00:15:31.172
  • When i was just eight years old,
  • 00:15:31.172 --> 00:15:33.942
  • Andrew was teaching the word,
  • 00:15:34.576 --> 00:15:35.944
  • And it was contrary to our religion and tradition.
  • 00:15:35.944 --> 00:15:40.215
  • But it set us up for success
  • 00:15:40.215 --> 00:15:42.484
  • Because i came away from the very first meeting thinking,
  • 00:15:42.484 --> 00:15:45.620
  • "thank god i don't have to be sick, poor,
  • 00:15:45.620 --> 00:15:47.489
  • And defeated by the devil.
  • 00:15:47.489 --> 00:15:48.823
  • I can believe the word of god."
  • 00:15:48.823 --> 00:15:50.358
  • And when you believe the word of god
  • 00:15:50.358 --> 00:15:52.694
  • Is when the word really begins to change your life.
  • 00:15:52.694 --> 00:15:55.497
  • And in a short time after that,
  • 00:15:55.497 --> 00:15:58.233
  • I was baptized in the holy spirit.
  • 00:15:58.233 --> 00:16:00.268
  • And one of the first things
  • 00:16:00.268 --> 00:16:01.536
  • That the baptism of the holy spirit will do
  • 00:16:01.536 --> 00:16:03.638
  • Is cause the word to come alive to you.
  • 00:16:03.638 --> 00:16:05.540
  • The word of god literally came alive to me.
  • 00:16:05.540 --> 00:16:09.244
  • And when you read in john 14:26 jesus said,
  • 00:16:09.244 --> 00:16:13.481
  • "when we're baptizing the holy spirit,
  • 00:16:13.481 --> 00:16:15.717
  • The holy spirit will take the things that i've said,
  • 00:16:15.717 --> 00:16:18.420
  • The word of god, and bring it to your remembrance."
  • 00:16:18.420 --> 00:16:21.756
  • The holy spirit will reveal the word,
  • 00:16:21.756 --> 00:16:25.293
  • Bring it to your remembrance.
  • 00:16:25.293 --> 00:16:26.561
  • And if you're not in love with the word,
  • 00:16:26.561 --> 00:16:28.530
  • Jesus and the word are one,
  • 00:16:28.530 --> 00:16:30.198
  • You're not really in love with jesus.
  • 00:16:30.198 --> 00:16:33.001
  • - something that's kinda interesting,
  • 00:16:33.802 --> 00:16:35.170
  • Like around the same time
  • 00:16:35.170 --> 00:16:36.471
  • That you were baptized in the holy spirit.
  • 00:16:36.471 --> 00:16:38.239
  • I know mom as a teenager was baptizing the holy spirit.
  • 00:16:38.239 --> 00:16:41.810
  • And she said something that's kinda interesting,
  • 00:16:41.810 --> 00:16:43.812
  • Like her parents took her to church growing up,
  • 00:16:43.812 --> 00:16:46.915
  • But she remembers being at a service.
  • 00:16:46.915 --> 00:16:48.349
  • And the minister was preaching from acts,
  • 00:16:48.349 --> 00:16:50.218
  • Like acts 2 about what happened
  • 00:16:50.218 --> 00:16:52.854
  • And how they prayed in tongues.
  • 00:16:52.854 --> 00:16:54.889
  • And the pastor said, "this isn't for today."
  • 00:16:54.889 --> 00:16:56.891
  • He like, read from the bible and then preached against it.
  • 00:16:56.891 --> 00:17:00.161
  • And she said, "well, it's in the bible"
  • 00:17:00.161 --> 00:17:02.230
  • She just had this thought, "then it's for me."
  • 00:17:02.230 --> 00:17:04.833
  • - yeah. mom was raised in a traditional church like i was.
  • 00:17:04.833 --> 00:17:08.169
  • So when she was in this church,
  • 00:17:08.169 --> 00:17:10.305
  • When she was about eight years old,
  • 00:17:10.305 --> 00:17:12.006
  • The minister read these scriptures on speaking in tongues
  • 00:17:12.006 --> 00:17:15.210
  • And then said and the baptism of the holy spirit said,
  • 00:17:15.210 --> 00:17:18.046
  • "this is not for today."
  • 00:17:18.046 --> 00:17:19.180
  • And she just got the opposite.
  • 00:17:19.180 --> 00:17:21.149
  • She thought, "well, you know what, if it's in the bible,
  • 00:17:21.149 --> 00:17:23.751
  • That means it's for me."
  • 00:17:23.751 --> 00:17:25.386
  • And so then later in her life,
  • 00:17:25.386 --> 00:17:27.489
  • When she was a teenager, right?
  • 00:17:27.489 --> 00:17:29.891
  • And her parents fell on some hard times, her mom,
  • 00:17:29.891 --> 00:17:33.061
  • Because her mom went to this traditional church
  • 00:17:33.061 --> 00:17:35.463
  • And they said, "oh don't do this.
  • 00:17:35.463 --> 00:17:37.866
  • Don't believe her that."
  • 00:17:37.866 --> 00:17:38.800
  • And she said, "no, that's,"
  • 00:17:38.800 --> 00:17:40.702
  • Actually, barbara's dad, mom's dad had left.
  • 00:17:40.702 --> 00:17:44.572
  • And and she said, "no."
  • 00:17:44.572 --> 00:17:46.441
  • She said, "that is my husband,
  • 00:17:46.441 --> 00:17:48.743
  • And i'm gonna believe god for him."
  • 00:17:48.743 --> 00:17:50.812
  • So they actually went to a spirit field church.
  • 00:17:50.812 --> 00:17:52.747
  • This was in 1978, and the charismatic movement.
  • 00:17:52.747 --> 00:17:56.351
  • And immediately they heard crazy things.
  • 00:17:56.351 --> 00:17:59.621
  • This was dave duell's church.
  • 00:17:59.621 --> 00:18:01.055
  • It was meeting in greeley, colorado
  • 00:18:01.055 --> 00:18:02.624
  • Meeting in a cattle sale barn.
  • 00:18:02.624 --> 00:18:04.492
  • She heard that people were swinging from the chandeliers
  • 00:18:04.492 --> 00:18:06.861
  • And rolling on the floor.
  • 00:18:06.861 --> 00:18:08.463
  • And she said when she went there,
  • 00:18:08.463 --> 00:18:09.831
  • She didn't see any chandeliers
  • 00:18:09.831 --> 00:18:11.499
  • And she didn't see anybody rolling on the floor,
  • 00:18:11.499 --> 00:18:13.601
  • But she said she did see this man fire running around.
  • 00:18:13.601 --> 00:18:17.105
  • And it looked like he had a fire on his head,
  • 00:18:17.105 --> 00:18:18.973
  • And she could recognize that he was full of the love of god.
  • 00:18:18.973 --> 00:18:23.578
  • Well, this was dave duell, and their own church.
  • 00:18:23.578 --> 00:18:27.115
  • They were going without food.
  • 00:18:27.115 --> 00:18:29.017
  • They were living in a basement,
  • 00:18:29.017 --> 00:18:31.019
  • That it was really hard times in their own church
  • 00:18:31.019 --> 00:18:34.689
  • Where they'd went for years, didn't do anything,
  • 00:18:34.689 --> 00:18:36.758
  • And they didn't even tell anybody at this church
  • 00:18:36.758 --> 00:18:38.893
  • That they had any needs
  • 00:18:38.893 --> 00:18:40.528
  • We're talking about when they went to dave duell's.
  • 00:18:40.528 --> 00:18:42.030
  • And then he showed up at their house with the check,
  • 00:18:42.030 --> 00:18:44.465
  • And barbara said, i knew god talked to people.
  • 00:18:44.465 --> 00:18:47.268
  • God actually talked to your mom once, who was a little girl.
  • 00:18:47.268 --> 00:18:50.171
  • Her mom was having extreme emotional problems.
  • 00:18:50.171 --> 00:18:53.241
  • And jesus actually came and spoke to mom
  • 00:18:53.241 --> 00:18:56.311
  • While she was laying on the grass as a little girl.
  • 00:18:56.311 --> 00:18:59.080
  • And so mom's had a really phenomenal relationship with god
  • 00:18:59.080 --> 00:19:05.253
  • From a young child.
  • 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:07.388
  • And then it just magnified
  • 00:19:07.388 --> 00:19:09.557
  • When she got in this spirit field church
  • 00:19:09.557 --> 00:19:11.926
  • And then later got baptized in the holy spirit.
  • 00:19:11.926 --> 00:19:14.195
  • - and one common thing actually,
  • 00:19:14.195 --> 00:19:15.730
  • That i've realized when people do receive
  • 00:19:15.730 --> 00:19:18.233
  • The baptism holy spirit,
  • 00:19:18.233 --> 00:19:19.701
  • Is they have just a strong love for the word of god,
  • 00:19:19.701 --> 00:19:21.369
  • And it just comes alive to them.
  • 00:19:21.369 --> 00:19:23.638
  • When i was in college,
  • 00:19:23.638 --> 00:19:25.139
  • I ministered to a friend of mine who really love god,
  • 00:19:25.139 --> 00:19:28.610
  • But was struggling
  • 00:19:28.610 --> 00:19:30.545
  • And i took her to a healing evangelist meeting billy burke.
  • 00:19:31.713 --> 00:19:36.718
  • And she saw these miracles
  • 00:19:36.718 --> 00:19:38.653
  • And she was really struggling physically.
  • 00:19:38.653 --> 00:19:40.989
  • She had really bad tendonitis
  • 00:19:40.989 --> 00:19:43.258
  • And was a flute player like myself,
  • 00:19:43.258 --> 00:19:45.126
  • But she couldn't play her.
  • 00:19:45.126 --> 00:19:46.527
  • Her tendonitis was so bad, she had to get therapy
  • 00:19:46.527 --> 00:19:48.463
  • And steroid shots, and she couldn't even open a door,
  • 00:19:48.463 --> 00:19:51.199
  • A doorknob, but after these meetings,
  • 00:19:51.199 --> 00:19:54.569
  • I just asked her if she wanted to receive the holy spirit
  • 00:19:54.569 --> 00:19:56.504
  • And receive that power, and she said, "yes."
  • 00:19:56.504 --> 00:19:58.439
  • And i, i prayed for a simple prayer
  • 00:19:58.439 --> 00:20:00.008
  • And her arms started shaking,
  • 00:20:00.008 --> 00:20:01.309
  • And she actually fell on the floor
  • 00:20:01.309 --> 00:20:03.144
  • And was rolling on the floor, praying in tongues.
  • 00:20:03.144 --> 00:20:06.047
  • She's like a sponge, just absorbing the holy spirit.
  • 00:20:07.081 --> 00:20:09.651
  • But after that happened, for weeks,
  • 00:20:09.651 --> 00:20:11.886
  • Every time she read the bible,
  • 00:20:11.886 --> 00:20:13.221
  • Her hands would just start shaking.
  • 00:20:13.221 --> 00:20:14.922
  • - yes.
  • 00:20:14.922 --> 00:20:15.790
  • - just for weeks.
  • 00:20:15.790 --> 00:20:17.125
  • She told me every time she'd open up the bible
  • 00:20:17.125 --> 00:20:18.660
  • And start reading, her hands would start shaking.
  • 00:20:18.660 --> 00:20:20.995
  • But it made the scripture just come alive to her.
  • 00:20:20.995 --> 00:20:24.198
  • - yeah.
  • 00:20:24.198 --> 00:20:25.033
  • - and if you love jesus
  • 00:20:25.033 --> 00:20:26.467
  • And haven't received the baptism of the holy spirit,
  • 00:20:26.467 --> 00:20:29.337
  • Man, you're gonna love the holy spirit
  • 00:20:30.138 --> 00:20:31.539
  • Because he's gonna intensify
  • 00:20:31.539 --> 00:20:34.309
  • Your relationship with jesus,
  • 00:20:34.309 --> 00:20:36.411
  • And he's gonna intensify
  • 00:20:36.411 --> 00:20:38.046
  • Your relationship with the word of god.
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  • - right.
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  • If you haven't received the baptism of holy spirit,
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  • You should call in to our ministry today
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  • And pray with our prayer ministers and receive that.
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  • That's a gift that's available to believers.
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  • You must be born again,
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  • If you haven't received jesus as your savior,
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  • You're not born again,
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  • You should receive jesus as your savior.
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  • But you should also go ahead as a believer
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  • And receive the baptism of the holy spirit.
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  • It will light up your life.
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  • - that's awesome. well, yeah.
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  • And it'll just intensify a relationship with jesus.
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  • - right? let's go back to this scripture.
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  • Where jesus is talking about this.
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  • In matthew 16, where you started in verse 24 and 25,
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  • Jesus said, "if any man will come after me,
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  • You let him deny himself."
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  • You're either gonna go your way or go god's way.
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  • But if you go god's way, you've gotta surrender to jesus.
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  • And he says, "take up his cross and follow me," right.
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  • Become a follower of jesus, a christ follower.
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  • And that's not doing your own thing.
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  • And just asking god to bless it.
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  • That's like, jesus, what do you want me to do?
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  • And when you start following him closely
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  • And doing what he wants you to do,
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  • The blessing's already there.
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  • And he says, "for whoever will save his life, a few."
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  • And this word for life in verse 25
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  • Is actually the greek word psuche, if i'm correct,
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  • It's talking about your soul.
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  • You don't follow your own thoughts, your own way.
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  • You gotta begin to, my god says,
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  • "my thoughts are higher than your thoughts.
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  • My ways are higher than your ways."
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  • So you surrender your life,
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  • But you also surrender your thought life.
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  • - well, and it says that god has not given us
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  • A spirit of fear, right?
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  • But of power of love and a sound mind.
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  • So if you're dealing with thoughts of fear,
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  • You can say, these aren't from god.
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  • God actually gives me power.
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  • He gives me love, he gives me a sound mind.
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  • So this anxiety, this fear, this torment,
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  • I wanna surrender that.
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  • I'm gonna lay that down.
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  • I'm gonna give that to jesus,
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  • And i'm gonna receive what he has from me.
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  • - and i mean, it's not like if you're a believer
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  • In baptizing the holy spirit,
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  • Your every thought is gonna be good.
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  • Because i know sometimes the devil attacks me,
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  • But the way that i know in my thought life,
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  • The way that i know the difference
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  • Is because of what the word of god says.
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  • So if it doesn't agree with the word, i don't receive it.
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  • I stand against it. and i believe what god says about me.
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  • And you need to believe what god says about you.
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  • And he says, "whoever will save his life will lose it.
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  • But whoever loses sight of his own life,
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  • For my sake shall find it."
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  • I think in one of the other gospels,
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  • Jesus said, "whoever loses his own life,
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  • For my sake in the gospels is gonna find it,"
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  • Are you letting go of who you are
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  • And what your carnal thoughts,
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  • Your fleshly thoughts,
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  • And taking up god's thoughts in the word
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  • And saying, "jesus, wherever you want me to go,
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  • Whatever you want me to do, whatever your word says,"
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  • James, we quoted james 1:21, i believe it says,
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  • "receive with meekness the engrafted word."
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  • And we need to take a meek attitude toward the word of god
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  • So we can become a hearer, not only a hearer,
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  • But a doer of the word.
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  • Become a true disciple of jesus,
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  • And really bring forth fruit in his kingdom.
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  • - yeah, and maybe you're watching this right now,
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  • And you've asked jesus to be your lord.
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  • You've asked him to end your heart,
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  • But maybe you haven't really been following after him.
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  • You've been kind of doing your own thing.
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  • Jesus is calling you right now.
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  • I believe that he's calling people
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  • To really follow after him with everything they have.
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  • And to make a real impact for him to be a real influence.
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  • There are people around you,
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  • There are people in your life,
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  • Maybe people in your own home,
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  • People in your neighborhood, people at work,
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  • People that you see at the grocery.
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  • There are people that only you will reach with the gospel.
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  • The only jesus they're gonna see is the jesus in you.
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  • And to really shine bright for jesus,
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  • You have to be completely, completely,
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  • 100% sold out for jesus.
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  • So if you feel like you've been holding back,
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  • You've been kind of doing your own thing.
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  • But you know what? i wanna be completely sold out for jesus.
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  • I want to be a fanatic. i wanna be different.
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  • I wanna stand out.
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  • I don't wanna look like everyone else.
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  • I don't wanna look like the world.
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  • I wanna look like jesus.
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  • - the rewards are amazing.
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  • - i'd encourage you to give us a call
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  • And just say, "i want to completely dedicate my life
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  • To jesus.
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  • I want to be 100% sold out for him."
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  • And when you do that,
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  • That'll shift things drastically in your life.
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  • - yeah, and we have trained prayer ministers that are here,
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  • That are ready to receive your calls.
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