Lawson Perdue - Jesus Influencers (Part 9)

June 5, 2025 | S25 E2305 | 29:55

Pastor Lawson Perdue from the Charis Christian Center outreach speaks to viewers across the globe about the practical message of Jesus Christ

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Grace for Today with Lawson Perdue | Lawson Perdue - Jesus Influencers (Part 9) | June 5, 2025

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- praise the lord, friends, and welcome to the broadcast.
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I have a question for you today.
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What are you doing with the word?
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Did you realize what you do with the word determines
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What the word will do with you?
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Now we're going to talk today about two different aspects
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Of the word, and you don't want to miss this teaching.
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Because if you don't understand what these two aspects are,
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You won't know what to do.
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Friend, it's so good to have you today.
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We're sharing on being a jesus influencer,
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And there's different ways that we can really make an impact
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For the kingdom of god.
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So, aaron, you've got some great teaching.
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Want to jump into that?
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- yeah, and i've just been thinking about believers
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That i know that have really made a big difference,
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Really just been a strong influence, you know,
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Impacting other people's lives for jesus, for the kingdom.
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And ultimately, it's about what we do for his kingdom,
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For his glory. - amen.
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- and the blessings that he gives us,
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The giftings that he gives us,
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It's to ultimately point people to jesus.
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- right.
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- and to help them grow in who they are in jesus,
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Who god really created them to be.
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But there's a common denominator amongst
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All these people who really shine bright for jesus,
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And it's that they prioritize the word of god.
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- [pastor lawson] amen.
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- you have to prioritize the word of god,
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Or you're not going to really make a dent in anything.
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And i was thinking about something
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That jesus said in matthew 4, verse 4, it said,
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"he answered and said,"
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This is, we've mentioned this earlier,
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When, you know-
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- right, man shall not live by bread alone.
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"man shall not live by bread alone,
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But by every word that proceeds from the mouth of god."
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- and jesus was prioritizing the word of god.
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This is when he was being tempted
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By satan in the wilderness,
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You know, during that 40-day fast.
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He was tempted three times,
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But every single time he answered with the word of god.
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- right. - it's interesting.
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You know, he didn't just remain silent.
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He spoke up.
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- now, here's something a lot of people don't realize.
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Jesus, when he ministered on the earth,
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Did not minister on the earth as god.
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Jesus ministered on the earth as a man anointed
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By the holy ghost.
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So, when jesus was baptized in the river,
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That was by john the baptist.
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That was immediately after this temptation, right?
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Or actually, prior to this temptation, jesus was baptized.
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The devil, you know, he went into the wilderness.
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The spirit led him into the wilderness to be tempted
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By the devil.
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And he overcame the devil,
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Lust of the flesh, lust of the eye,
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Pride of life, right?
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The same temptations that were in genesis chapter 3,
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When adam and eve sinned.
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So, you know, god gave authority to a man in the beginning,
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Had to get authority back through a man.
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So, he sent jesus as a perfect man.
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So, a lot of people, when they look at jesus,
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They say, well, that's jesus.
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Well, the bible says that we can do the same works
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That jesus did.
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And what we have to realize that when jesus operated here
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On the earth, he wasn't operating as god.
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He was operating as a man anointed by the holy ghost.
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And he defeated the devil at every realm.
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So just like jesus lived and defeated the devil,
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We can live and take our authority in christ as a believer,
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And we can defeat the devil every temptation, every time,
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Just like jesus did.
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- and i want to talk about what he did-
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- right.
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- specifically what jesus did when the devil,
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You know, piped up,
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Tempted him, really every time the devil is trying
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To get him to question his identity.
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If you are the son of god-
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- and that's the same thing, you know,
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There's nothing new under the sun.
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- [pastor lawson] abosutely.
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- the devil isn't that smart.
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The way he tempts people is very similar
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To how he tried to tempt jesus in their identity.
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If you really are saved, if you really are, you know,
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A child of god- - right.
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- you know, hey, jesus,
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If you really are the messiah,
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If you really are the son of god, prove it, you know,
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Turn these stones into bread, and jesus answered him.
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- right.
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- you have to answer the devil.
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You have to answer those lies.
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You have to answer those thoughts of deception.
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You have to say, it is written,
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You have to know the word of god,
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And there is power in the word.
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Jesus knew there was power in the word of god.
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That's how he knew who he was.
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- that's how he grew in wisdom and grew in stature,
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Grew in favor with god and man,
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Because he grew in revelation from the word.
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- jesus actually talked back to the devil.
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- he spoke back, and he spoke back with the word of god.
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The word is so powerful.
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"he said, it is written, man shall not live by bread alone,
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But by every word that proceeds from the mouth of god."
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- you know, the devil will try to get in your mind
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And trash talk you, and you got to trash talk him back.
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You got to tell him, no, this is what the word said.
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This is what god said.
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- and i love what, i agree completely
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With what you're saying about that jesus,
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In his ministry here on this earth,
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He was operating as a man-
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- right.
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- 100% man, anointed by the holy spirit.
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He is 100% god.
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You know, he was raised from the dead,
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You know, ascended to heaven.
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He is 100% lord.
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He and the father are one in the same.
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Before abraham was, i am, he is eternal.
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He was with god in the beginning.
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He is the living word.
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He is the word manifest, but he is our example.
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- you know, what would jesus do?
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And if jesus did it, we can do it.
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- so, if the enemy is attacking you, you know, you know,
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And you haven't renewed your mind in the word,
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You're more susceptible to being attacked and to falling
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For the lies and the deception that he's trying to-
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- and it's always about identity.
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It's often about identity.
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- that's why, you know, this young generation, you know,
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My wife and i serve as youth pastors,
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The enemy is really attacking young people big time
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In their identity. - right.
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- even in texas, just recently in the state of texas,
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They're trying to pass a law that in schools,
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Kids can't bark and act like dogs
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And cats and use litter boxes.
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And liberal people are blowing up about it.
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- [pastor lawson] that's crazy.
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- i have a friend who's liberal,
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I have all these liberal friends
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From when i went to college to say that they're blowing up.
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They're like, this is like, it's so insane.
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The world that we live in- - yeah.
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- they're just trying to pass a law
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That says, hey, when you're at school,
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You have to act like a human because you are a human being.
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And people are blowing up about it.
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(cross talk)
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And the enemy is attacking that generation.
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He's attacking, you know, and he's got all these woke,
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Demonic supporters, you know, just pumping these lies into
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That generation because god has big plans
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For that generation.
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And if people figure out that they are loved,
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That they have a creator, that they have a purpose,
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That they are human, that they are male, they are female,
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They are created in his image.
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They will pulverize the devil and his kingdom of darkness,
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His kingdom of lies, his kingdom of death.
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- god wants to use the young generation to do that.
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- and the devil is working overtime to try to warp truth.
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You need to know what the truth is.
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Christians need to go to church.
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They need to give to churches.
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They need to believe the bible.
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Man, the society has tanked since the '50s
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Because people stop believing the bible.
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People stop going to church.
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People stop valuing family.
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You need to read the bible.
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You need to go to church.
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You need to tithe.
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You need to wake up because this thing is real.
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- yeah, well, it works, not just as a legalistic thing,
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But because it works, because that's what we want to do.
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You know, there's a lot of people that do that,
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That they're stuck
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Because they don't realize it's really the grace of god.
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And we have to teach, you know, all of that.
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But really, what you're talking about, aaron, is this.
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In philemon verse 6, the scripture says,
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The communication of our faith becomes effective
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By acknowledging every good thing that is in us in christ.
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And what we've got to do is begin to identify
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With who god says we are.
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What we've got to do is begin to identify
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With who jesus says we are.
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And we've got to identify
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With what the scripture says about us.
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You know, i was raised that way.
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I was trained that way.
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But, you know, i do what i do
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Because i know it's what the bible says, right?
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But i'm not doing it to make god accept me.
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I know that i'm accepted in the beloved.
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- but look how society has just digressed so rapidly.
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- like from the time that you were in school to the time
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That i'm in school to the time that my kids are in school.
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Now, we have kids that want to wear tails,
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That want to go around barking,
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That want to go around licking each other's hair-
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- it's literally crazy. - in school.
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And there is a state where the governor
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Is trying to pass a law
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That says you can't do that in school.
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And people's minds are blowing up.
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They're so upset.
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- thank god for that guy.
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- look at how drastic society has shifted.
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- it's nuts.
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But here's what's happening, aaron.
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There's a grass-rich change in america, right?
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People are coming back to their sanity, right?
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The world- - some people are.
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- people, yeah, but they've got so crazy
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That people are figuring it out.
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There's actually a lot of young people, right,
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That are coming back to the conservative side,
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That are coming back.
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There's an influx of people-
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- because it's the reality- - buying bibles,
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And it's young people, right?
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In el paso county, we have a group called
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The el paso county young republicans.
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It's people like your age, like 35 to 20,
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And it's the largest one in our state.
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There's over 300 people meeting every month.
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It's exploding because people are coming back to sanity.
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People are coming back to truth.
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And they're coming back to the word of god.
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- the word of god, that's what i want to.
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- and what we've got to show them,
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This is what happened even
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In this seeker-sensitive movement.
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Andrew wommack told me years ago,
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He said, listen, if you would have started a church
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In the late 1970s, in the very early 1980s, in a city,
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Your church would have exploded
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Because you teach the word.
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But people got away from the word.
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People got, you know, and as the church goes,
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The world goes.
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And they got into this seeker-sensitive deal
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To where if it feels good, listen,
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It's not if it feels good, it's like,
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What does the bible say about it?
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But people are coming back to reality.
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And reality is what the word of god says.
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You know, the scripture says,
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"heaven and earth will pass away."
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Matthew 24, verse 35, "but my word shall endure forever."
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So, we got to get back to teaching
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The word, living the word,
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And letting the word direct our steps.
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- and this is really interesting.
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When jesus quotes this in matthew 4, verse 4, saying,
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"man shall not live by bread alone,
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But by every word that proceeds from the mouth of god,"
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When this was written in matthew,
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When it was written in greek,
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The greek original word for word, there, you know,
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Man shall not live by bread alone,
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But by every rhema- - yeah.
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- that proceeds from the mouth of god.
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So, there are two greek words used for word.
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- right.
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- w-r-i-d, there are two greek words.
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There's rhema and there's logo.
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So rhema, it's a word of god.
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It's an utterance.
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It's something that is spoken by the living voice.
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God's word, it needs to be living.
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- it has to be fresh.
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You have to have fresh bread-
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- fresh revelation, fresh word, fresh.
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So, it's a current thing being spoken.
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It's a command, it's living,
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Active, authoritative proclamation,
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A declaration full of the power of god.
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- [pastor lawson] you know-
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- so, we need the rhema word of god.
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It has to be fresh every day.
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- yeah, that's living by the spirit.
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You know, jesus said this in john 6:63.
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He said, "it's the spirit that quickens.
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The flesh profits nothing.
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And the words that i speak to you, the rhema words."
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Now, here's what happens if you spend time
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In the logos word.
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- that's what i'm gonna talk about next.
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- in the written word, right?
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Then god will begin to speak to you rhema words, right?
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From the written word, and that word will direct you.
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And he says, "they are spirit and they are life."
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So, we need to live by the word of god.
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- and the rhema, the living,
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Current, actively spoken word of god,
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It flows with the logos.
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- the logos it's, it's scripture.
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It's something that has been recorded.
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It's, you know, a doctrine, sometimes a teaching.
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- right.
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- and i want to show you this
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And how logos and rhema flows together.
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So, let's go to luke five.
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- right.
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- i want to start in verse one.
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And this is really interesting.
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It says, "so it was as the multitude pressed about him,
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About jesus to hear the word of god.
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Right there, it's the logos.
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- right.
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- they wanted to hear his teaching.
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They wanted to hear what he had to share about scripture.
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They wanted to hear his sermon.
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That's a logos word of god.
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John had this awesome revelation of who jesus was,
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That he was the logos word of god,
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That he was scripture made manifest.
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- [pastor lawson] right, right.
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- so, in john one, in his gospel, he starts off saying,
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"in the beginning was the word."
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- "and the word was with god, and the word was god."
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He's talking about jesus- - right?
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- and he's saying, jesus is the logos.
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In the greek there, it's logos.
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In the beginning was the logos.
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And the logos was with god, and the logos was god.
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Scripture is, is it is who god is.
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- "he was in the beginning with god.
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All things were made through him, and without him,
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Nothing was made that was made in him."
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And from the logos person of god,
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He spoke rhema- - right.
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- as he spoke, let there be light.
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That's rhema.
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It's active.
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That's present. - right.
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- that's a command.
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And it happened. - right.
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- logos and rhema flow together.
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So, they came to hear the word.
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It's really interesting
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That this multitude came to hear the logos.
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- right.
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It says later that they came to hear him.
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It says this both in luke five and luke six,
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They came to hear him and to be healed by him.
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- yeah, why would multitudes,
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Why would people come to jesus?
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They came for healing.
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- they came also to hear, hear him-
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- teach.
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- they came to hear the truth.
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They came to hear the logos.
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- and the church today needs
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To have a desire for the logos.
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- too many churches just, just teach to,
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You know, itching ears.
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They just feel good stuff.
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No, no logos.
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It's just like, just a feel good, inspirational message
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That you could hear literally anywhere.
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- actually, you know, mom and i taught
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In charis bible college for years.
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We still teach there, but some of the teacher, you know,
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And now they've got many more teachers
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And a lot of different things, but i've taught up
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To eight classes a year,
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One of them up to four times a year.
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But the teachers used to tell us,
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You and barbara use more scriptures than anybody here.
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And people that come to this church, they're like,
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Well, we go to church, and the pastor shares one scripture,
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And then he teaches kind of his message,
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And it might connect with that scripture.
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But they'll say, you know, you actually teach the scripture,
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And you teach it.
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And so they'll say in my average service,
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This was years ago,
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People that would keep track because i put notes down,
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But then i, you know, i follow that, you know,
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With openness to go where the holy spirit wants me to go.
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So, they say in the average message you use
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About over 40 scriptures
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Because we're actually teaching the word of god,
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And we're using the word of god to explain the word of god,
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Not just experiences, not just ideas, but the word.
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- so, they press, there's this multitude pressing about him
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To hear the word of god, the logos, the scripture,
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The expounding upon that.
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"and he stood by the lake of gennesaret
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And saw two boats standing by the lake,
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But the fishermen had gone from them
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And were washing their nets.
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Then he got into one of the boats, which was simon's,
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And asked him to put out a little from the land,
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And he sat down and taught the multitudes from the boat."
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So, he's still teaching the multitudes.
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He's still flowing in that logos way of communicating.
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But then in verse four, it says he had stopped speaking.
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And said something. - yeah.
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- yeah, this has happened to me before.
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This is how you need to go to church.
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You need to go to a good bible preaching church,
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But you need to be listening.
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- for the holy spirit.
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- beyond the logos.
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So, you need to be listening for the reign of god.
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God will speak to you from the logos.
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My dad has been doing a message on something,
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And i've been listening to what god is saying.
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And he'll just give me an entire series'
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Worth in an instant.
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- or he'll tell you about your business
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Or tell you about your family.
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- yeah, exactly.
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You know-
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- about what you need to do in a financial decision or.
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- well, i wanted to share this too.
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You know, sometimes people think,
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Well, you know, i really need to get to hear that.
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If you go to church, a bible preaching church,
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Where there's a flow of the holy spirit,
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The holy spirit will minister to you,
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And where you have a need. - right.
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- you know, i recently i was able to share
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On a sunday morning when you're out of town,
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I shared on the parable of the talents.
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- that could have spoken to someone about finances,
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Even though i wasn't preaching on money.
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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It could have spoken to someone about it.
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Even though i wasn't preaching about marriage,
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You could have spoken to someone about marriage.
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You know, you need to receive counsel from the word of god-
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- right.
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- from the logos word of god, from that.
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If you're eager, if you have eyes to see, ears to hear-
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- the spirit will speak to you.
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So, he stopped speaking and said,
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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"launch out into the deep,
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And let down your nets for a catch."
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- so, simon peter knew something shifted here.
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- and simon answered and said to him,
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"master, we have toiled all night, caught nothing."
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This was his career.
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This was his ability.
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This was his...
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He's saying, i know what i'm doing.
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- right.
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- and he calls him master.
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He said, you're a master.
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You're a rabbi.
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You know how to speak on scripture, master.
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But he says something really important.
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This is what every single person
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Needs to decide in their heart.
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- nevertheless, at your word. - right.
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- he said, and in the greek, it's at your rhema.
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This is active.
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This is alive.
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This is powerful.
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And if i act on it, something's going to happen.
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- you know, aaron, so i read the bible, right?
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Generally, six days a week, a lot of times seven,
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But the seventh is sunday.
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So sometimes i don't read the bible sunday.
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I come to church and preach.
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I might not read the bible like
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I do the other six days a week,
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But, you know, i'll generally read three to five chapters.
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Sometimes i read 10 or 20, and i just keep reading the word.
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But you know what?
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God will speak to me from that private time
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That i have with him.
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You know, i generally get up really early in the morning,
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Go to the gym, workout, you know, and then i come home.
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I sit down with the bible, and i just read.
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And many times, god will take a word from that word
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And just speak to my spirit, and he'll give me direction.
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He'll give me direction about decisions mom and i
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Need to make, maybe financial decisions,
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Investment decisions, maybe business decisions,
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Maybe decisions about things here at church.
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God will speak to me, you know,
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As i'm just there with the word.
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Other times god will wake me up in the night,
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And he'll begin to give rhema words.
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So, he'll begin to take word from the word
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And begin to speak that to me, you know.
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And really, as you act on that, you know, jesus was raised.
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He was a carpenter's son.
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He knew how to build a chair, build a table, right?
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Build a bench, but that wasn't his trade.
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Maybe even build a house.
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His dad was a carpenter.
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- [aaron] he wasn't an expert fisherman.
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- he wasn't an expert fisherman.
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These guys were.
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But you know, one thing is simon, peter had so deceived,
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Took jesus out so he could preach the word, right?
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And then jesus said, let's go catch fish.
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And he told him to do something different,
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Which was contrary to what simon thought should be done.
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But he said, nevertheless, at your word, i'm gonna do it.
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Go ahead.
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- and this is where things shift.
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All of us need to hear from jesus.
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We need to hear from scripture.
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We need to hear rhema.
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We need to hear what we need to do.
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- how can we take a step of faith?
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So even though simon, you know,
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He didn't understand who jesus was at the time.
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He just said, hey, you're a rabbi, you're a master.
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But you know what?
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Nevertheless- - yeah.
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- at your word, it comes down.
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Hey, i'm gonna surrender my thoughts to myself.
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Surrender is involved.
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We've been talking about that.
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How to really be a jesus influencer,
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That surrender is involved.
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- yeah.
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- you have to present your body as a living sacrament.
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Nevertheless, at your word, i will let down the net.
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When they had done this, they caught a great number of fish.
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And their net was breaking.
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So, they signaled to their partners
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In the other boat to come and help them.
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And they came and filled both the boats
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So that they began to sink.
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When simon peter saw it,
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He fell down at jesus' knees, saying,
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"depart from me, for i am a sinful man.
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Oh lord, adonai." - right.
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- it's not just, you're not just rabbi now.
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And he repented.
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He said, "i'm a sinner." - right.
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- you aren't just a teacher.
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You're not just some rabbi.
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You are lord.
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You're messiah.
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You are the messiah.
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You are lord.
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And it says, "for he and all who
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Were with him were astonished
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At the catch of fish, which they had taken.
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And so also were james and john, the sons of zebedee,
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Who were partners with simon."
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So, he got a third of his disciples just
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From this one miracle of provision.
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"and jesus said to simon, do not be afraid."
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- "from this point, you will catch men."
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- you're going to be a fisher of men.
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- [pastor lawson] praise god.
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- and when i taught this to our students here at church,
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God spoke to me.
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He said, "if you're not a fisher of men,
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You will be fished by men."
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Praise god.
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You have to be a leader.
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You have to be an influencer.
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Otherwise, you're going to be being influenced by the world.
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- yeah.
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And when this happened, verse 11 says,
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"when they brought their ships to land,
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They forsook all and followed him."
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And really, that's where we started this week out.
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You know, if you're going to, jesus said,
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"if you're going to be my disciple,
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You've got to deny yourself,
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Take up your cross, and follow me."
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But when they saw, when they heard jesus preach,
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When he gave them a specific word, a rhema word,
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And they acted on his word, when they acted on his word,
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They received a miracle.
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And when they saw that, it caused them, number one,
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To be convinced of the lordship
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And dominion of jesus christ.
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And number two, it caused them to surrender their life
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To the lordship of jesus christ.
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- and we need to have a desire for both the logos,
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The scripture,
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The written word of god, and also the rhema word of god.
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- how we can, how it is alive to us in that moment,
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How we can act upon it in that moment.
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- right.
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I actually shared this with our worship team as well.
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And i said, a lot of worship people are kind
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Of rhema people.
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We like prophetic.
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We like, you know, the emotion of the present,
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But we also need to have a strong desire for the logos.
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So be in the word, you know, be in service,
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Be there for the teaching of the word.
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- [pastor lawson] right.
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- and the rhema and the logos flow together.
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- amen.
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Praise god.
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They work together.
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You know, i had a guy come into my church one time
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And he said that he was a prophet.
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He came from another church.
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He came because of a guest speaker i had,
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But he would show up, you know,
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Blow in and blow out maybe once a month.
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And he came out in one day to tell me, you know,
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That i hadn't obeyed god's call and i should have stayed
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On the farm.
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And man, i rebuked him firmly.
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He got up, kind of shook and walked out the door.
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And then he called me a couple of years later
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After i'd moved from there
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Because god was working transition in her life to hear
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And apologize to me.
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But i don't care how prophetic you think you are.
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You need to live by what the word says,
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And you need to keep actively doing that.
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And when people see the fruit,
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Then they're going to be more willing to receive, right,
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The rhema word that you have to share.
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- and as ministers, we are to preach the word.
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- [pastor lawson] amen.
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- you know, paul writes in 2 timothy 4 to preach the word.
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- [pastor lawson] amen.
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- be ready in season, out of season, convince, rebuke,
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Exhort with all long suffering and teaching.
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- [pastor lawson] praise the lord.
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- so, we should all be in the word on a continual basis.
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- amen.
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Lawson Perdue - Jesus Influencers (Part 9)

June 5, 2025 | S25 E2305 | 29:55

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