Jonathan Bernis: A Pro-Israel Muslim Speaks Out | Jewish Voice Ministries

July 9, 2025 | S25 E30 | 28:32

An incredible conversation about Islamists, Israel and the West with Dr. Jasser.

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  • What is the essence
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  • Of the problem
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  • That we're facing here?
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  • >> this is a war that hamas
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  • Declared on october 7
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  • And every year before it.
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  • Two state solution
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  • Is an old technology.
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  • >> what has to happen over there
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  • For there to be peace?
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  • >> first, you have
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  • To acknowledge that israel
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  • Is not their problem,
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  • It's hamas and the militancy.
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  • They use innocent people
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  • As shields.
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  • >> did you know
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  • That jesus was jewish?
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  • You might be asking,
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  • "what does that mean
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  • For your christian faith?"
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  • Watch today and discover how
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  • Understanding the jewish roots
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  • Of your faith and your
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  • Connection to israel
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  • And the jewish people
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  • Can transform your life
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  • And the way you read the bible.
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  • Coming up on jewish voice.
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  • ♪ ♪
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  • >> shalom and welcome
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  • >> shalom and welcome to jewish voice.
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  • To jewish voice. thank you for joining us today.
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  • Thank you for joining us today. i'm jonathan bernis
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  • I'm jonathan bernis and i'm joined once again
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  • And i'm joined once again by my good friend
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  • By my good friend and messianic jewish leader,
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  • And messianic jewish leader, scott volk.
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  • Scott volk. since president
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  • Since president trump's inauguration,
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  • Trump's inauguration, we've seen bold
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  • We've seen bold and unique ideas emerge
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  • And unique ideas emerge about solutions to israel's war
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  • About solutions to israel's war with hamas and they are
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  • With hamas and they are strikingly different.
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  • Strikingly different. but the big question remains,
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  • But the big question remains, will they end the war
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  • Will they end the war and create lasting peace?
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  • And create lasting peace? in having a show
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  • In having a show about understanding
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  • About understanding current events in israel,
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  • Current events in israel, i thought it was so important
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  • I thought it was so important for our audience to hear
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  • For our audience to hear from dr. zuhdi jasser,
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  • From dr. zuhdi jasser, trained at the medical college
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  • Trained at the medical college of wisconsin on
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  • Of wisconsin on a navy scholarship.
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  • A navy scholarship. he served as an officer
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  • He served as an officer for 11 years and is
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  • For 11 years and is a practicing muslim.
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  • A practicing muslim. he speaks often about balance
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  • He speaks often about balance needed between faith,
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  • Needed between faith, culture, and liberty.
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  • Culture, and liberty. he's one of the founders
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  • He's one of the founders of the american islamic forum
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  • Of the american islamic forum for democracy and served
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  • For democracy and served on the u.s. commission on
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  • On the u.s. commission on international religious freedom.
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  • International religious freedom. please welcome
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  • Please welcome to the program, dr. jasser.
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  • To the program, dr. jasser. dr. jasser,
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  • Dr. jasser, welcome to jewish voice.
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  • Welcome to jewish voice. >> it's an honor to be here.
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  • >> it's an honor to be here. >> thank you for coming over.
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  • >> thank you for coming over. we're really glad to have you.
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  • We're really glad to have you. i wanna begin with your story
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  • I wanna begin with your story because your parents,
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  • Because your parents, when your mother was
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  • When your mother was six months pregnant with you,
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  • Six months pregnant with you, fled syria, right?
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  • Fled syria, right? and what led them
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  • And what led them to come to the u.s.
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  • To come to the u.s. and find a new home?
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  • And find a new home? >> well, it's a classic
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  • >> well, it's a classic american story and that
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  • American story and that my father was a --
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  • My father was a -- did his undergraduate learning
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  • Did his undergraduate learning in britain and was avidly
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  • In britain and was avidly studying western society
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  • Studying western society and british democracy
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  • And british democracy and became a --
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  • And became a -- not only an anglophile,
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  • Not only an anglophile, but a loved american
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  • But a loved american culture and ideology.
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  • Culture and ideology. his father, zuhdi jasser,
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  • His father, zuhdi jasser, was not only a businessman in
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  • Was not only a businessman in syria but a newspaper man,
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  • Syria but a newspaper man, had what became
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  • Had what became al-ghad newspaper which
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  • Al-ghad newspaper which still exists from the regimes.
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  • Still exists from the regimes. but in the '30's and '40's,
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  • But in the '30's and '40's, it was attempted to be
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  • It was attempted to be a newspaper for
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  • A newspaper for freedom and democracy.
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  • Freedom and democracy. when the french pulled out
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  • When the french pulled out of syria in 1948,
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  • Of syria in 1948, they tried to demo --
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  • They tried to demo -- the syrian people tried
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  • The syrian people tried to democratize their country
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  • To democratize their country and for four years,
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  • And for four years, fleeted with democracy
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  • Fleeted with democracy until 1952.
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  • Until 1952. and his newspaper flourished,
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  • And his newspaper flourished, and my dad saw what
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  • And my dad saw what his father was trying
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  • His father was trying to do in his young age.
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  • To do in his young age. my dad was 10 at the time,
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  • My dad was 10 at the time, but it failed.
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  • But it failed. there were 20 coos that happened
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  • There were 20 coos that happened in syria between 1952 and 1963.
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  • In syria between 1952 and 1963. they nationalized all
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  • They nationalized all the companies.
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  • The companies. they took away
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  • They took away personal properties.
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  • Personal properties. my grandfather
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  • My grandfather was in house arrest.
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  • Was in house arrest. the jassers were basically
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  • The jassers were basically persona non grata.
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  • Persona non grata. the paper was destroyed
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  • The paper was destroyed and nationalized.
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  • And nationalized. my dad finished
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  • My dad finished his medical education in '65
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  • His medical education in '65 and ultimately escaped.
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  • And ultimately escaped. my parents understood that
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  • My parents understood that we could practice our faith
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  • We could practice our faith more freely in the small town
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  • More freely in the small town of wisconsin that i grew up in.
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  • Of wisconsin that i grew up in. i was born in ohio but grew up
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  • I was born in ohio but grew up basically in wisconsin
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  • Basically in wisconsin from grade school on
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  • From grade school on through medical school.
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  • Through medical school. and i learned that
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  • And i learned that in little nina, wisconsin
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  • In little nina, wisconsin i could be more muslim,
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  • I could be more muslim, and more closer to god,
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  • And more closer to god, and necessarily
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  • And necessarily interpret my faith in
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  • Interpret my faith in my own interpretations,
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  • My own interpretations, not the ones
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  • Not the ones mandated by government,
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  • Mandated by government, or mandated by clerics,
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  • Or mandated by clerics, or any oppressive movement.
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  • Or any oppressive movement. and my father taught me that
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  • And my father taught me that they felt american the moment
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  • They felt american the moment they got off the airplane.
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  • They got off the airplane. >> how sweet freedom is, huh?
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  • >> how sweet freedom is, huh? that's really --
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  • That's really -- >> you started
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  • >> you started an organization
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  • An organization in the early 2000's
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  • In the early 2000's american islamic forum
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  • American islamic forum for democracy.
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  • For democracy. after growing up,
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  • After growing up, going to college,
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  • Going to college, and getting your training,
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  • And getting your training, what prompted you and motivated
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  • What prompted you and motivated you to start that center?
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  • You to start that center? >> yeah.
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  • >> yeah. so, after 9/11 i was
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  • So, after 9/11 i was just horrified by not only
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  • Just horrified by not only the horrific attacks that
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  • The horrific attacks that we suffered on 9/11,
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  • We suffered on 9/11, but how unaware we were
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  • But how unaware we were at the real disease.
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  • At the real disease. and al-qaeda, this,
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  • And al-qaeda, this, you know, 11 operatives
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  • You know, 11 operatives that did what they did,
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  • That did what they did, were simply the tip
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  • Were simply the tip of the iceberg of
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  • Of the iceberg of a deeper, deeper problem.
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  • A deeper, deeper problem. and as i understood growing up,
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  • And as i understood growing up, being a muslim that then
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  • Being a muslim that then went to college and started
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  • Went to college and started to realize that i might have
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  • To realize that i might have my interpretation of islam that
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  • My interpretation of islam that my parents blessed me with.
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  • My parents blessed me with. and my father
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  • And my father translated the quran,
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  • Translated the quran, and we believe
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  • And we believe in the authenticity
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  • In the authenticity of the arabic scripture.
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  • Of the arabic scripture. i was preserved from that,
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  • I was preserved from that, but then i go to the college
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  • But then i go to the college and see the muslim brotherhood
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  • And see the muslim brotherhood working in the muslim student
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  • Working in the muslim student association and see a lot
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  • Association and see a lot of the politization of islam.
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  • Of the politization of islam. and i went home, and i said --
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  • And i went home, and i said -- i called my mom, and i said,
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  • I called my mom, and i said, "what is this poli --
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  • "what is this poli -- this is not a religion.
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  • This is not a religion. the imam is supposed to be
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  • The imam is supposed to be teaching me about
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  • Teaching me about morality and character,
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  • Morality and character, and yet it was this evil,
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  • And yet it was this evil, you know, politics,
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  • You know, politics, anti-western stuff."
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  • Anti-western stuff." so, that's why
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  • So, that's why i joined the navy.
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  • I joined the navy. i realized that that's the key
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  • I realized that that's the key to being an american,
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  • To being an american, is giving back to this country
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  • Is giving back to this country the most moral institution.
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  • The most moral institution. so, fast forward
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  • So, fast forward to 9/11 and i said --
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  • To 9/11 and i said -- i looked at
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  • I looked at the arizona republic.
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  • The arizona republic. on the cover
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  • On the cover of the arizona republic
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  • Of the arizona republic was a article that said,
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  • Was a article that said, "american muslims torn
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  • "american muslims torn between loyalty to america
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  • Between loyalty to america and loyalty to islam."
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  • And loyalty to islam." called the reporter and said,
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  • Called the reporter and said, "where did you
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  • "where did you interview these people?"
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  • Interview these people?" "imans that were basically
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  • "imans that were basically blaming it on israel,
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  • Blaming it on israel, every conspiracy theory,
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  • Every conspiracy theory, blaming it on the jews
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  • Blaming it on the jews and other nonsense."
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  • And other nonsense." and i said, "wow, we need
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  • And i said, "wow, we need an institution that could
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  • An institution that could speak for americanism,
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  • Speak for americanism, that could speak
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  • That could speak for the problems,
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  • For the problems, and be genuinely humble
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  • And be genuinely humble about our problems within islam
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  • About our problems within islam and what we haven't reform."
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  • And what we haven't reform." and that's what
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  • And that's what the american islamic forum is.
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  • The american islamic forum is. it's not just antiterrorism.
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  • It's not just antiterrorism. recognition of liberty
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  • Recognition of liberty and freedom through a process
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  • And freedom through a process that created ultimately
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  • That created ultimately the united states of america.
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  • ♪ ♪
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  • >> announcer: under a ministry
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  • Tent in zambia,
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  • Rabbi tim met a woman and her
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  • Seven year old son charlie.
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  • Like his older brother,
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  • Charlie was born
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  • With cerebral palsy.
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  • Their father had felt
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  • Shame and even disgraced
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  • In having a child with
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  • A physical impairment.
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  • >> when charles was born
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  • The father said, "we need
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  • To get rid of him too."
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  • And the mom realized
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  • That the father had
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  • Killed the older son.
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  • >> that father had secretly
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  • Killed his first born.
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  • With no belief system
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  • That values human life,
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  • He intended to make
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  • Charlie his next victim.
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  • Somehow, charlie's mom
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  • Found courage.
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  • >> and she said, "i can't.
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  • This is -- that's enough.
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  • I realize you're an evil man,"
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  • And she left.
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  • And she's been taking care
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  • Of charlie ever since.
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  • >> for seven years,
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  • Wherever she went
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  • Charlie's mom literally
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  • Carried him on her back.
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  • They endured seasons
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  • Of homelessness and hunger,
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  • But because of her dedication,
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  • The boy always had love
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  • And never lost hope.
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  • >> you look into his eyes,
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  • And he connects deeply.
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  • And what a sweet boy,
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  • Sweet countenance
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  • And special kid.
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  • >> still the cerebral palsy
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  • Meant charlie would never walk,
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  • Which made the wheelchair from
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  • Jewish voice the perfect gift
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  • Just in time too,
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  • Because charlie was getting
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  • Too big to be carried.
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  • >> but their -- the mom,
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  • She was so touched really.
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  • And as she wheeled out
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  • Yesterday --
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  • She's wheeling charlie out
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  • But then we provided a bunch
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  • Of food for her as well.
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  • So, she had that on
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  • Her back now...
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  • [laughter]
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  • Which was what was so sweet.
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  • To be able to help them out
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  • Was such a blessing for us.
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  • And to know that
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  • It was a game changer.
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  • >> the biggest change,
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  • They now know
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  • The god of creation,
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  • The one true source of hope .
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  • >> and you chose charlie
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  • >> and you chose charlie before he was even born, lord.
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  • Before he was even born, lord. and lord, you'll heal this day
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  • And lord, you'll heal this day and lord, we pray for this
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  • And lord, we pray for this young man that your will be
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  • Young man that your will be done in his life, lord.
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  • Done in his life, lord. father, may he know you,
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  • Father, may he know you, may he love you,
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  • May he love you, may he hold on to you, father.
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  • May he hold on to you, father. and lord, i just want
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  • And lord, i just want to thank you
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  • To thank you for your people, lord,
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  • For your people, lord, your loving people who've
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  • Your loving people who've made this possible, lord.
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  • Made this possible, lord. father, may you replenish
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  • Father, may you replenish whatever they have given out,
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  • Whatever they have given out, and we bless them too
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  • And we bless them too in yeshua's name.
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  • >> we are planning
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  • And praying for our next
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  • Medical outreach
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  • To more families and people
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  • Just like charlie and his mom.
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  • Your financial support may be
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  • The difference between
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  • Lives being changed
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  • Or life's continuing in need.
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  • ♪ ♪
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  • >> break down for us at just in
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  • >> break down for us at just in the simplest, in simple terms,
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  • The simplest, in simple terms, islam just going back
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  • Islam just going back to mohammad.
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  • To mohammad. what is jihadist?
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  • What is jihadist? what is sharia law?
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  • What is sharia law? break this down for us.
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  • Break this down for us. just give us an understanding
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  • Just give us an understanding of what is the essence
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  • Of what is the essence of the problem that
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  • Of the problem that we're facing here?
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  • We're facing here? >> yeah.
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  • >> yeah. so, it's --
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  • So, it's -- >> it's not islam
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  • >> it's not islam as a whole, right?
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  • As a whole, right? >> i --
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  • >> i -- if i believe that,
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  • If i believe that, not only would i not be
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  • Not only would i not be a muslim, but you know,
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  • A muslim, but you know, i wouldn't understand history.
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  • I wouldn't understand history. because if it was
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  • Because if it was islam as a whole,
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  • Islam as a whole, islam would have no history
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  • Islam would have no history in which people thrived,
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  • In which people thrived, you know.
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  • You know. there was a time that it wo --
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  • There was a time that it wo -- it's never been
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  • It's never been a democratic institution,
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  • A democratic institution, but ultimately,
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  • But ultimately, if you look at the 7th,
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  • If you look at the 7th, 8th, 9th century,
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  • 8th, 9th century, bernard lewis wrote
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  • Bernard lewis wrote a book called,
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  • A book called, "the jews of islam,"
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  • "the jews of islam," and wrote how rabbi maimonides,
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  • And wrote how rabbi maimonides, a physician and a rabbi --
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  • A physician and a rabbi -- >> i was just gonna mention
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  • >> i was just gonna mention that the jews thrived...
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  • That the jews thrived... >> the jews thrived.
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  • >> the jews thrived. >> under that era of islam.
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  • >> under that era of islam. >> and that era
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  • >> and that era of the elon musks
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  • Of the elon musks of the world we're living
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  • Of the world we're living in islamic, you know,
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  • In islamic, you know, but those were not democracies,
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  • But those were not democracies, those were dynasties.
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  • Those were dynasties. so, ultimately, if you look
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  • So, ultimately, if you look at islam as --
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  • At islam as -- the word itself
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  • The word itself means surrender to god.
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  • Means surrender to god. it doesn't mean peace.
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  • It doesn't mean peace. salam means peace.
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  • Salam means peace. islam means by believing in god
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  • Islam means by believing in god you surrender to his will.
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  • You surrender to his will. but it doesn't mean you then
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  • But it doesn't mean you then commit suicide or all these
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  • Commit suicide or all these other nonsense that radicals do.
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  • Other nonsense that radicals do. it means you do the best you can
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  • It means you do the best you can to effectuate the gifts that
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  • To effectuate the gifts that he gives you on this earth.
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  • He gives you on this earth. so, it's a religion that should
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  • So, it's a religion that should not have clergy.
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  • Not have clergy. now, jihad, if you
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  • Now, jihad, if you look at the time
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  • Look at the time of the prophet mohammed,
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  • Of the prophet mohammed, there was no separation
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  • There was no separation of mosque and state.
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  • Of mosque and state. he was not only, we'd believe,
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  • He was not only, we'd believe, a messenger of god, but he was
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  • A messenger of god, but he was also the head of the military,
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  • Also the head of the military, and he was the head of state.
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  • And he was the head of state. so, when you had one individual
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  • So, when you had one individual that had all three
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  • That had all three of those characteristics,
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  • Of those characteristics, it then in some ways
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  • It then in some ways institutionalizes theocracy.
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  • Institutionalizes theocracy. that needs reform.
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  • That needs reform. does islam mean jihad?
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  • Does islam mean jihad? well, at the time,
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  • Well, at the time, when you mix those rules --
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  • When you mix those rules -- i was in the navy.
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  • I was in the navy. i signed up for
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  • I signed up for four years in america.
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  • Four years in america. if at the time into
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  • If at the time into my third year we were
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  • My third year we were deployed --
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  • Deployed -- we deployed to somalia and went
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  • We deployed to somalia and went to operation to restore hope.
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  • To operation to restore hope. i was on my ship.
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  • I was on my ship. if we were one
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  • If we were one and we were in mogadishu,
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  • And we were in mogadishu, i turn to my ceo and i said,
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  • I turn to my ceo and i said, "you know, i'm tired.
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  • "you know, i'm tired. i changed my mind.
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  • I changed my mind. i'm gonna go work
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  • I'm gonna go work for ibm instead of working
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  • For ibm instead of working for the u.s. navy."
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  • For the u.s. navy." i can't do that.
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  • I can't do that. you signed up.
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  • You signed up. it'd be unauthorized absence.
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  • It'd be unauthorized absence. it would be --
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  • It would be -- you know, if i just left,
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  • You know, if i just left, i could be put in jail.
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  • I could be put in jail. you know, and ultimately,
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  • You know, and ultimately, if you work with the enemy,
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  • If you work with the enemy, god forbid, it's treason
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  • God forbid, it's treason and you could be killed.
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  • And you could be killed. so, islam at the time,
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  • So, islam at the time, the military,
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  • The military, if you left the mili --
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  • If you left the mili -- muslim military,
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  • Muslim military, you'd be the same thing.
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  • You'd be the same thing. you'd be killed.
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  • You'd be killed. the apologist
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  • The apologist will tell you jihad --
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  • Will tell you jihad -- and i have friends with
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  • And i have friends with their first name jihad so it
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  • Their first name jihad so it can't mean military war.
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  • Can't mean military war. my friend, jihad, it just simply
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  • My friend, jihad, it just simply means struggle to get closer
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  • Means struggle to get closer to god in an apologetic way.
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  • To god in an apologetic way. realistically from a branding,
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  • Realistically from a branding, jihad means the adherence
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  • Jihad means the adherence to a military violent conquest
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  • To a military violent conquest to advance islamic law globally.
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  • To advance islamic law globally. so, the jihadist divide
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  • So, the jihadist divide the world into the land
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  • The world into the land of islam where muslims are
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  • Of islam where muslims are a majority and the land of war.
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  • A majority and the land of war. so, there's no land of peace
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  • So, there's no land of peace to the jihadist unless
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  • To the jihadist unless we reform and destroy those
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  • We reform and destroy those ideas intellectually.
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  • >> announcer: there is
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  • A way forward,
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  • A god centered solution
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  • To the arab israeli conflict
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  • To provide you with
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  • A plan to counter
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  • The rise of antisemitism.
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  • And to say thank you for your
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  • One time gift of $40 or more,
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  • We'll send you the book,
  • 00:12:21.723 --> 00:12:22.891
  • "who owns the land?"
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  • Plus, we'll include
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  • >> dr. jasser, thank you
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  • >> dr. jasser, thank you so much for taking the time
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  • So much for taking the time to be with us today.
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  • To be with us today. i hope it's the beginning
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  • I hope it's the beginning of many other visits
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  • Of many other visits to jewish voice.
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  • To jewish voice. >> we've heard terms like
  • 00:13:46.474 --> 00:13:47.609
  • >> we've heard terms like islam, muslim, islamist,
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  • Islam, muslim, islamist, can you break --
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  • Can you break -- >> jihadist.
  • 00:13:52.247 --> 00:13:52.547
  • >> jihadist. >> jihadist.
  • 00:13:52.614 --> 00:13:53.014
  • >> jihadist. can you break those terms down?
  • 00:13:53.081 --> 00:13:54.749
  • Can you break those terms down? because i think in many minds
  • 00:13:54.816 --> 00:13:57.285
  • Because i think in many minds like my own islam is islam
  • 00:13:57.352 --> 00:13:59.220
  • Like my own islam is islam and within it you've got this
  • 00:13:59.287 --> 00:14:01.022
  • And within it you've got this whole array of different
  • 00:14:01.089 --> 00:14:03.191
  • Whole array of different people's expressions.
  • 00:14:03.258 --> 00:14:04.459
  • People's expressions. but you talk about
  • 00:14:04.525 --> 00:14:05.894
  • But you talk about the term islamist.
  • 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:07.028
  • The term islamist. can you --
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  • Can you -- can you just explain
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  • Can you just explain that to us and why
  • 00:14:08.796 --> 00:14:09.797
  • That to us and why it's important for us
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  • It's important for us to understand that?
  • 00:14:10.732 --> 00:14:11.299
  • To understand that? >> that's the whole reason
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  • >> that's the whole reason we formed the organization,
  • 00:14:12.133 --> 00:14:13.334
  • We formed the organization, and i think if you
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  • And i think if you look at my legacy work,
  • 00:14:14.135 --> 00:14:15.703
  • Look at my legacy work, i think one of my legacies
  • 00:14:15.770 --> 00:14:16.938
  • I think one of my legacies is gonna be that we were able
  • 00:14:17.005 --> 00:14:18.473
  • Is gonna be that we were able to shift the conversation
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  • To shift the conversation in america from being about
  • 00:14:20.041 --> 00:14:21.175
  • In america from being about terrorism and radicals,
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  • Terrorism and radicals, you know.
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  • You know. i remember when i was on
  • 00:14:24.045 --> 00:14:24.712
  • I remember when i was on glenn beck show, he says,
  • 00:14:24.779 --> 00:14:25.980
  • Glenn beck show, he says, "zuhdi, you're the radically
  • 00:14:26.047 --> 00:14:26.781
  • "zuhdi, you're the radically actually."
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  • Actually." yeah.
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  • Yeah. "and the other guys
  • 00:14:28.182 --> 00:14:28.616
  • "and the other guys are sort of running a show."
  • 00:14:28.683 --> 00:14:29.851
  • Are sort of running a show." and so --
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  • And so -- >> yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • 00:14:30.518 --> 00:14:30.952
  • >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> and i said, "yes."
  • 00:14:31.019 --> 00:14:31.552
  • >> and i said, "yes." so, i said, "we need to stop
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  • So, i said, "we need to stop using modern --
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  • Using modern -- the term modern muslim.
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  • The term modern muslim. i hate that term."
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  • I hate that term." what does that even mean?
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  • What does that even mean? islamist is the correct term
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  • Islamist is the correct term and the groups like counseling
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  • And the groups like counseling american islamic relations
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  • American islamic relations alongside north america,
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  • Alongside north america, the alphabet soup
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  • The alphabet soup of muslim groups don't
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  • Of muslim groups don't want you to use that term.
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  • Want you to use that term. and my response to them,
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  • And my response to them, as i've testified
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  • As i've testified at congress is,
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  • At congress is, that's what they called
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  • That's what they called themselves in arabic.
  • 00:14:49.871 --> 00:14:50.705
  • Themselves in arabic. h-a-m-a-s, hamas,
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  • H-a-m-a-s, hamas, means harakat al-islamiyya
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  • Means harakat al-islamiyya in arabic which means
  • 00:14:54.475 --> 00:14:55.610
  • In arabic which means the movement of muslims
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  • The movement of muslims for political control,
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  • For political control, for political movements.
  • 00:14:59.213 --> 00:15:00.748
  • For political movements. so, islamism, just like
  • 00:15:00.815 --> 00:15:02.717
  • So, islamism, just like socialism versus capitalism,
  • 00:15:02.784 --> 00:15:05.053
  • Socialism versus capitalism, is about economic ideas.
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  • Is about economic ideas. political ideas about
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  • Political ideas about the role of religious identity
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  • The role of religious identity in the state and in
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  • In the state and in the legal system
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  • The legal system is islamic movements.
  • 00:15:12.894 --> 00:15:14.629
  • Is islamic movements. so, the instrument for islamist
  • 00:15:14.696 --> 00:15:16.965
  • So, the instrument for islamist is the legal system of islam
  • 00:15:17.031 --> 00:15:19.000
  • Is the legal system of islam or islamic jewish prudence
  • 00:15:19.067 --> 00:15:20.668
  • Or islamic jewish prudence versus the secular parties
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  • Versus the secular parties and other parties,
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  • And other parties, the communists,
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  • The communists, and others that exist in
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  • And others that exist in the middle east are not about
  • 00:15:24.906 --> 00:15:26.074
  • The middle east are not about islamic law and islamic rules.
  • 00:15:26.140 --> 00:15:28.109
  • Islamic law and islamic rules. >> but they're not
  • 00:15:28.176 --> 00:15:28.743
  • >> but they're not all terrorists?
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  • All terrorists? jihadists are not
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  • Jihadists are not all terrorists.
  • 00:15:30.011 --> 00:15:30.445
  • All terrorists. >> that's why i don't like
  • 00:15:30.511 --> 00:15:31.245
  • >> that's why i don't like that term because terrorism
  • 00:15:31.312 --> 00:15:32.880
  • That term because terrorism is simply the belief that
  • 00:15:32.947 --> 00:15:34.549
  • Is simply the belief that noncombatants can be targeted,
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  • Noncombatants can be targeted, all that kind of stuff.
  • 00:15:36.417 --> 00:15:37.652
  • All that kind of stuff. but the ends of trying
  • 00:15:37.719 --> 00:15:39.087
  • But the ends of trying to put it into place,
  • 00:15:39.153 --> 00:15:40.521
  • To put it into place, you know, they'll say --
  • 00:15:40.588 --> 00:15:41.155
  • You know, they'll say -- for example when they debated
  • 00:15:41.222 --> 00:15:41.889
  • For example when they debated that imam here locally,
  • 00:15:41.956 --> 00:15:43.091
  • That imam here locally, he said, "well, if muslims are
  • 00:15:43.157 --> 00:15:44.058
  • He said, "well, if muslims are a majority, we have a right
  • 00:15:44.125 --> 00:15:45.426
  • A majority, we have a right to then vote in, in egypt
  • 00:15:45.493 --> 00:15:47.595
  • To then vote in, in egypt or elsewhere, islamic law."
  • 00:15:47.662 --> 00:15:49.330
  • Or elsewhere, islamic law." and i'm like, "no, you don't.
  • 00:15:49.397 --> 00:15:50.898
  • And i'm like, "no, you don't. that's called mobocracy.
  • 00:15:50.965 --> 00:15:52.433
  • That's called mobocracy. that's a majoritocracy.
  • 00:15:52.500 --> 00:15:54.102
  • That's a majoritocracy. that's not liberalism."
  • 00:15:54.168 --> 00:15:55.636
  • That's not liberalism." the fact that makes america
  • 00:15:55.703 --> 00:15:57.038
  • The fact that makes america america is that we can't
  • 00:15:57.105 --> 00:15:57.939
  • America is that we can't be taken over by
  • 00:15:58.006 --> 00:15:59.107
  • Be taken over by a majority that's loose,
  • 00:15:59.173 --> 00:16:00.742
  • A majority that's loose, that ultimately
  • 00:16:00.808 --> 00:16:01.376
  • That ultimately the supreme court has
  • 00:16:01.442 --> 00:16:02.477
  • The supreme court has the final rule of the land,
  • 00:16:02.543 --> 00:16:04.512
  • The final rule of the land, not the 50 plus --
  • 00:16:04.579 --> 00:16:05.279
  • Not the 50 plus -- 50% plus one vote that would be
  • 00:16:05.346 --> 00:16:08.349
  • 50% plus one vote that would be like as ben franklin said,
  • 00:16:08.416 --> 00:16:09.984
  • Like as ben franklin said, "three wolves and a sheep
  • 00:16:10.051 --> 00:16:10.785
  • "three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner."
  • 00:16:10.852 --> 00:16:11.986
  • [laughter]
  • 00:16:12.286 --> 00:16:12.653
  • And that's how hamas
  • 00:16:12.920 --> 00:16:13.588
  • And that's how hamas got elected basically.
  • 00:16:13.654 --> 00:16:15.189
  • Got elected basically. and that's how a lot
  • 00:16:15.256 --> 00:16:15.857
  • And that's how a lot of these parties --
  • 00:16:15.923 --> 00:16:16.391
  • Of these parties -- so, islamism is
  • 00:16:16.457 --> 00:16:17.658
  • So, islamism is the desire through
  • 00:16:17.725 --> 00:16:18.760
  • The desire through populous movements,
  • 00:16:18.826 --> 00:16:20.395
  • Populous movements, through viral movements,
  • 00:16:20.461 --> 00:16:21.562
  • Through viral movements, to put into place
  • 00:16:21.629 --> 00:16:23.131
  • To put into place islamic dominance in areas
  • 00:16:23.197 --> 00:16:25.033
  • Islamic dominance in areas where muslims are a majority.
  • 00:16:25.099 --> 00:16:26.834
  • Where muslims are a majority. they're not seeking
  • 00:16:26.901 --> 00:16:27.435
  • They're not seeking to take over the west,
  • 00:16:27.502 --> 00:16:28.703
  • To take over the west, but they do wanna weaken
  • 00:16:28.770 --> 00:16:29.771
  • But they do wanna weaken and make the west impotent
  • 00:16:29.837 --> 00:16:31.873
  • And make the west impotent to affecting muslim world,
  • 00:16:31.939 --> 00:16:33.641
  • To affecting muslim world, muslim ethics.
  • 00:16:33.708 --> 00:16:34.275
  • Muslim ethics. >> so, let me use
  • 00:16:34.342 --> 00:16:34.876
  • >> so, let me use the terminology correctly.
  • 00:16:34.942 --> 00:16:35.643
  • The terminology correctly. islamist...
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  • Islamist... >> yeah.
  • 00:16:36.644 --> 00:16:37.278
  • >> yeah. >> nations.
  • 00:16:37.345 --> 00:16:38.112
  • >> nations. >> yes.
  • 00:16:38.179 --> 00:16:38.946
  • >> yes. >> which are committed
  • 00:16:39.013 --> 00:16:39.680
  • >> which are committed to the destruction
  • 00:16:39.747 --> 00:16:41.015
  • To the destruction of the infidel.
  • 00:16:41.082 --> 00:16:41.816
  • Of the infidel. >> mhmm.
  • 00:16:41.883 --> 00:16:42.750
  • >> mhmm. >> which begins
  • 00:16:42.817 --> 00:16:43.217
  • >> which begins with israel because
  • 00:16:43.284 --> 00:16:44.419
  • With israel because they're in the territory
  • 00:16:44.485 --> 00:16:46.120
  • They're in the territory and ultimately the west.
  • 00:16:46.187 --> 00:16:47.355
  • And ultimately the west. >> yes.
  • 00:16:47.422 --> 00:16:47.722
  • >> yes. >> right?
  • 00:16:47.789 --> 00:16:48.256
  • >> right? that's why i've heard
  • 00:16:48.322 --> 00:16:49.457
  • That's why i've heard netanyahu referred to israel as
  • 00:16:49.524 --> 00:16:52.060
  • Netanyahu referred to israel as the little satan and america
  • 00:16:52.126 --> 00:16:53.428
  • The little satan and america is the big satan.
  • 00:16:53.494 --> 00:16:54.295
  • Is the big satan. >> yeah.
  • 00:16:54.362 --> 00:16:55.096
  • >> yeah. >> do you feel like there can be
  • 00:16:55.163 --> 00:16:57.932
  • >> do you feel like there can be peace in the middle east?
  • 00:16:57.999 --> 00:16:59.567
  • Peace in the middle east? like, do you have
  • 00:16:59.634 --> 00:17:00.234
  • Like, do you have a hope for that?
  • 00:17:00.301 --> 00:17:01.102
  • A hope for that? it seems like an utterly
  • 00:17:01.169 --> 00:17:01.936
  • It seems like an utterly impossible situation the thought
  • 00:17:02.003 --> 00:17:04.605
  • Impossible situation the thought of a two state solution.
  • 00:17:04.672 --> 00:17:06.274
  • Of a two state solution. is that something?
  • 00:17:06.340 --> 00:17:07.775
  • Is that something? like, how do you view --
  • 00:17:07.842 --> 00:17:09.777
  • Like, how do you view -- what has to happen over there
  • 00:17:09.844 --> 00:17:11.245
  • What has to happen over there for there to be peace?
  • 00:17:11.312 --> 00:17:12.013
  • For there to be peace? >> so, there's two answers
  • 00:17:12.080 --> 00:17:13.114
  • >> so, there's two answers toward peace in the middle east.
  • 00:17:13.181 --> 00:17:14.615
  • Toward peace in the middle east. one is the future protection
  • 00:17:14.682 --> 00:17:16.084
  • One is the future protection of israel and two is
  • 00:17:16.150 --> 00:17:17.885
  • Of israel and two is every different nation state
  • 00:17:17.952 --> 00:17:19.454
  • Every different nation state in the middle east and how
  • 00:17:19.520 --> 00:17:20.321
  • In the middle east and how they're going to evolve.
  • 00:17:20.388 --> 00:17:22.390
  • They're going to evolve. but in israel, the only way
  • 00:17:22.457 --> 00:17:25.393
  • But in israel, the only way to peace in israel is when
  • 00:17:25.460 --> 00:17:26.727
  • To peace in israel is when the palestinians give us
  • 00:17:26.794 --> 00:17:27.929
  • The palestinians give us an unconditional surrender.
  • 00:17:27.995 --> 00:17:29.797
  • An unconditional surrender. that's the only way.
  • 00:17:29.864 --> 00:17:30.698
  • That's the only way. just to constantly
  • 00:17:30.765 --> 00:17:32.100
  • Just to constantly war after war and then have
  • 00:17:32.166 --> 00:17:33.668
  • War after war and then have a moral equivalency where they
  • 00:17:33.734 --> 00:17:35.069
  • A moral equivalency where they do what they did on october 7,
  • 00:17:35.136 --> 00:17:36.904
  • Do what they did on october 7, and then a month later the u.n.,
  • 00:17:36.971 --> 00:17:38.539
  • And then a month later the u.n., and western universities,
  • 00:17:38.606 --> 00:17:39.574
  • And western universities, and other are talking
  • 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:40.441
  • And other are talking about the crimes against
  • 00:17:40.508 --> 00:17:42.376
  • About the crimes against humanity that israel did.
  • 00:17:42.443 --> 00:17:44.045
  • Humanity that israel did. and you litigant who happens
  • 00:17:44.112 --> 00:17:46.314
  • And you litigant who happens to be muslim at the eus
  • 00:17:46.380 --> 00:17:48.082
  • To be muslim at the eus is an islamist tried to bring
  • 00:17:48.149 --> 00:17:50.284
  • Is an islamist tried to bring prime minister netanyahu
  • 00:17:50.351 --> 00:17:52.753
  • Prime minister netanyahu unto a war crimes tribunal.
  • 00:17:52.820 --> 00:17:54.388
  • Unto a war crimes tribunal. and president trump
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  • And president trump now appropriately is going
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  • Now appropriately is going to take our fundings away
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  • To take our fundings away from that entire process
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  • From that entire process because the u.n. contrary
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  • Because the u.n. contrary to what eleanor roosevelt
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  • To what eleanor roosevelt had envisioned,
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  • Had envisioned, has become basically
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  • Has become basically a league of dictatorships
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  • A league of dictatorships against the west.
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  • Against the west. and that little,
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  • And that little, small state is the focus
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  • Small state is the focus of over half of their time,
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  • Of over half of their time, be -- and they don't
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  • Be -- and they don't care about china.
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  • Care about china. they don't care about what
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  • They don't care about what china is doing to the uyghurs
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  • China is doing to the uyghurs or what's happening
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  • Or what's happening in russia or elsewhere.
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  • In russia or elsewhere. >> they don't care
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  • >> they don't care about north korea.
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  • About north korea. they don't care about iran.
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  • They don't care about iran. they just sanctioned israel.
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  • They just sanctioned israel. >> because it's a dictator's
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  • >> because it's a dictator's club against the folks
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  • Club against the folks that would try --
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  • That would try -- that would actually be
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  • That would actually be the ones to facilitate their
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  • The ones to facilitate their own weakness into actually
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  • Own weakness into actually be anti-china, anti-putin.
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  • Be anti-china, anti-putin. all of the evil actors, say,
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  • All of the evil actors, say, "hey, the way to prevent
  • 00:18:40.868 --> 00:18:42.436
  • "hey, the way to prevent the u.n. from actually
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  • The u.n. from actually exposing who we are,"
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  • Exposing who we are," and that's why president trump
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  • And that's why president trump appropriately pulled
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  • Appropriately pulled out of human --
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  • Out of human -- the façade of the human rights
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  • The façade of the human rights council that is in the u.n.
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  • Council that is in the u.n. is it's simply a con-operation
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  • Is it's simply a con-operation that's happening and we
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  • That's happening and we shouldn't be funding it.
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  • Shouldn't be funding it. >> well, let's fo --
  • 00:18:56.951 --> 00:18:57.885
  • >> well, let's fo -- we just have a little time left,
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  • We just have a little time left, let's talk about
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  • Let's talk about the two states' solution.
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  • The two states' solution. i just heard
  • 00:19:01.255 --> 00:19:02.657
  • I just heard economist jeffery sachs,
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  • Economist jeffery sachs, very influential economist
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  • Very influential economist saying that the only solution
  • 00:19:06.494 --> 00:19:07.962
  • Saying that the only solution is a two state solution,
  • 00:19:08.029 --> 00:19:10.131
  • Is a two state solution, and israel going back
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  • And israel going back to the pre '67 borders.
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  • To the pre '67 borders. what's your thoughts on this?
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  • What's your thoughts on this? >> most of us in this community
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  • >> most of us in this community that i've been talking
  • 00:19:16.571 --> 00:19:17.104
  • That i've been talking about debate, debating,
  • 00:19:17.171 --> 00:19:19.006
  • About debate, debating, which should be the way forward.
  • 00:19:19.073 --> 00:19:20.308
  • Which should be the way forward. even my friends
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  • Even my friends at the foundation
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  • At the foundation for defense of democracy,
  • 00:19:21.709 --> 00:19:22.710
  • For defense of democracy, if you look at mr. goldberg
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  • If you look at mr. goldberg there who's running that,
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  • There who's running that, he talked about
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  • He talked about two state solution,
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  • Two state solution, and last week came out
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  • And last week came out and said he apologized
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  • And said he apologized to the jewish community,
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  • To the jewish community, and said,
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  • And said, "we've been very forthright
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  • "we've been very forthright about the need for some
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  • About the need for some identification there."
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  • Identification there." and fdd is very, you know,
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  • And fdd is very, you know, upfront on these issues.
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  • Upfront on these issues. and he apologized for supporting
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  • And he apologized for supporting two states solution
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  • Two states solution and he said what i've been
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  • And he said what i've been saying for a long time.
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  • Saying for a long time. is that imagine syria was not a
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  • Is that imagine syria was not a state and assad was running it,
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  • State and assad was running it, and would you give them
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  • And would you give them the right to a state?
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  • The right to a state? no.
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  • No. not with assad running it
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  • Not with assad running it and not with 30 years of --
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  • And not with 30 years of -- or 40 years of baathism
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  • Or 40 years of baathism which is incompatible
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  • Which is incompatible with human rights
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  • With human rights domestically and globally.
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  • Domestically and globally. so, the palestinians have
  • 00:20:04.585 --> 00:20:07.154
  • So, the palestinians have to first surrender that
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  • To first surrender that they are going to not only
  • 00:20:08.990 --> 00:20:10.057
  • They are going to not only rid themselves of hamas,
  • 00:20:10.124 --> 00:20:11.692
  • Rid themselves of hamas, but the ideologies
  • 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:12.727
  • But the ideologies that create hamas.
  • 00:20:12.793 --> 00:20:14.895
  • That create hamas. so --
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  • So -- >> genocide actually, to push
  • 00:20:15.329 --> 00:20:16.464
  • >> genocide actually, to push israel into the state.
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  • Israel into the state. >> exactly.
  • 00:20:17.598 --> 00:20:18.132
  • >> exactly. i wanna disrupt this
  • 00:20:18.199 --> 00:20:20.568
  • I wanna disrupt this dialogue about two states.
  • 00:20:20.635 --> 00:20:22.069
  • Dialogue about two states. why do we keep using
  • 00:20:22.136 --> 00:20:22.937
  • Why do we keep using the old technology?
  • 00:20:23.004 --> 00:20:23.738
  • The old technology? two state solution
  • 00:20:23.804 --> 00:20:24.772
  • Two state solution is an old technology.
  • 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:26.607
  • Is an old technology. 21st century technology
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  • 21st century technology of discussing solutions
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  • Of discussing solutions in the middle east is looking
  • 00:20:29.510 --> 00:20:31.445
  • In the middle east is looking at a way forward, a pathway,
  • 00:20:31.512 --> 00:20:34.315
  • At a way forward, a pathway, that doesn't talk about
  • 00:20:34.382 --> 00:20:35.349
  • That doesn't talk about state yet.
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  • State yet. they haven't earned that.
  • 00:20:36.050 --> 00:20:37.485
  • They haven't earned that. when we were in
  • 00:20:37.551 --> 00:20:38.286
  • When we were in the colony's era in america,
  • 00:20:38.352 --> 00:20:40.421
  • The colony's era in america, nobody was talking about
  • 00:20:40.488 --> 00:20:41.422
  • Nobody was talking about the united states of america.
  • 00:20:41.489 --> 00:20:42.757
  • The united states of america. they hadn't had
  • 00:20:42.823 --> 00:20:43.257
  • They hadn't had the technology yet.
  • 00:20:43.324 --> 00:20:44.358
  • The technology yet. they got together.
  • 00:20:44.425 --> 00:20:45.159
  • They got together. we had the constitutional
  • 00:20:45.226 --> 00:20:45.993
  • We had the constitutional convention in 1789,
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  • Convention in 1789, 13 years after 1776.
  • 00:20:48.796 --> 00:20:51.165
  • 13 years after 1776. so, if the palestinians
  • 00:20:51.232 --> 00:20:52.700
  • So, if the palestinians are gonna have their liberation
  • 00:20:52.767 --> 00:20:53.868
  • Are gonna have their liberation moment against their rulers,
  • 00:20:53.934 --> 00:20:55.770
  • Moment against their rulers, which is not israel,
  • 00:20:55.836 --> 00:20:56.704
  • Which is not israel, they first have to acknowledge
  • 00:20:56.771 --> 00:20:57.738
  • They first have to acknowledge that israel is not
  • 00:20:57.805 --> 00:20:58.439
  • That israel is not their problem.
  • 00:20:58.506 --> 00:20:59.507
  • Their problem. it's hamas and the militancy.
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  • It's hamas and the militancy. don't rebuild it and allow it
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  • Don't rebuild it and allow it to being rebuilt until
  • 00:21:03.244 --> 00:21:05.379
  • To being rebuilt until we secure an
  • 00:21:05.446 --> 00:21:05.980
  • We secure an unconditional surrender.
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  • Unconditional surrender. >> wow.
  • 00:21:07.048 --> 00:21:07.748
  • >> wow. that is such a great point.
  • 00:21:07.815 --> 00:21:10.217
  • That is such a great point. gaza was in attempt to be
  • 00:21:10.284 --> 00:21:12.353
  • Gaza was in attempt to be at peace and give them autonomy,
  • 00:21:12.420 --> 00:21:15.122
  • At peace and give them autonomy, but they just made it
  • 00:21:15.189 --> 00:21:16.023
  • But they just made it into a staging ground
  • 00:21:16.090 --> 00:21:16.991
  • Into a staging ground for missile attacks.
  • 00:21:17.058 --> 00:21:18.125
  • For missile attacks. it just didn't work.
  • 00:21:18.192 --> 00:21:19.093
  • It just didn't work. so, really, the leadership
  • 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:20.394
  • So, really, the leadership has to be completely changed
  • 00:21:20.461 --> 00:21:21.996
  • Has to be completely changed and there needs to be
  • 00:21:22.063 --> 00:21:22.763
  • And there needs to be a system of reeducation
  • 00:21:22.830 --> 00:21:24.065
  • A system of reeducation of the palestinians.
  • 00:21:24.131 --> 00:21:25.333
  • Of the palestinians. >> hamas has to be thrown away.
  • 00:21:25.399 --> 00:21:27.234
  • >> hamas has to be thrown away. the process of developing
  • 00:21:27.301 --> 00:21:28.836
  • The process of developing who their new leadership
  • 00:21:28.903 --> 00:21:29.804
  • Who their new leadership has to have a vetting process
  • 00:21:29.870 --> 00:21:31.772
  • Has to have a vetting process to where they can accept
  • 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:33.341
  • To where they can accept that western values
  • 00:21:33.407 --> 00:21:34.275
  • That western values or their mantra, if you will,
  • 00:21:34.342 --> 00:21:36.677
  • Or their mantra, if you will, and a recognition
  • 00:21:36.744 --> 00:21:38.112
  • And a recognition of respect of equality,
  • 00:21:38.179 --> 00:21:39.947
  • Of respect of equality, that there's no
  • 00:21:40.014 --> 00:21:40.848
  • That there's no moral equivalency between israel
  • 00:21:40.915 --> 00:21:42.350
  • Moral equivalency between israel defending itself versus terror
  • 00:21:42.416 --> 00:21:45.453
  • Defending itself versus terror against noncombatants,
  • 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:47.188
  • Against noncombatants, and children, and women,
  • 00:21:47.254 --> 00:21:48.189
  • And children, and women, and elderly.
  • 00:21:48.255 --> 00:21:48.956
  • And elderly. that's just incomparable.
  • 00:21:49.023 --> 00:21:50.858
  • That's just incomparable. i'm not saying that
  • 00:21:50.925 --> 00:21:51.659
  • I'm not saying that there haven't been innocent
  • 00:21:51.726 --> 00:21:52.827
  • There haven't been innocent killed in gaza,
  • 00:21:52.893 --> 00:21:53.561
  • Killed in gaza, and i wish there was a way
  • 00:21:53.627 --> 00:21:54.862
  • And i wish there was a way that could have been prevented
  • 00:21:54.929 --> 00:21:56.063
  • That could have been prevented just as i do in japan
  • 00:21:56.130 --> 00:21:57.932
  • Just as i do in japan in world war ii or in germany.
  • 00:21:57.998 --> 00:21:59.567
  • In world war ii or in germany. but unfortunately, this is a war
  • 00:21:59.633 --> 00:22:02.002
  • But unfortunately, this is a war that hamas declared on october 7
  • 00:22:02.069 --> 00:22:03.671
  • That hamas declared on october 7 and every year before it.
  • 00:22:03.738 --> 00:22:05.306
  • And every year before it. and as they built these tunnels,
  • 00:22:05.373 --> 00:22:06.741
  • And as they built these tunnels, it was a process in which
  • 00:22:06.807 --> 00:22:08.542
  • It was a process in which they used innocent people
  • 00:22:08.609 --> 00:22:09.877
  • They used innocent people as shields and use them
  • 00:22:09.944 --> 00:22:11.712
  • As shields and use them as guards for attacks that
  • 00:22:11.779 --> 00:22:14.915
  • As guards for attacks that they did against israel.
  • 00:22:14.982 --> 00:22:17.184
  • They did against israel. so, you know,
  • 00:22:17.251 --> 00:22:18.085
  • So, you know, as we look forward,
  • 00:22:18.152 --> 00:22:20.454
  • As we look forward, every freedom
  • 00:22:20.521 --> 00:22:21.355
  • Every freedom has come at a price.
  • 00:22:21.422 --> 00:22:22.623
  • Has come at a price. and i hope
  • 00:22:22.690 --> 00:22:23.624
  • And i hope the palestinian community
  • 00:22:23.691 --> 00:22:24.692
  • The palestinian community and those of us that
  • 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:25.726
  • And those of us that believe in reformation
  • 00:22:25.793 --> 00:22:27.628
  • Believe in reformation within islam can say that,
  • 00:22:27.695 --> 00:22:29.630
  • Within islam can say that, "okay, we need to advocate for
  • 00:22:29.697 --> 00:22:32.800
  • "okay, we need to advocate for values that are consistent
  • 00:22:32.867 --> 00:22:35.770
  • Values that are consistent and transparent."
  • 00:22:35.836 --> 00:22:37.738
  • And transparent." >> dr. jasser,
  • 00:22:37.805 --> 00:22:38.439
  • >> dr. jasser, we have a saying in yiddish,
  • 00:22:38.506 --> 00:22:40.174
  • We have a saying in yiddish, "from your mouth to god's ear."
  • 00:22:40.241 --> 00:22:42.443
  • "from your mouth to god's ear." >> thank you.
  • 00:22:42.510 --> 00:22:42.977
  • >> thank you. >> and may that be the case.
  • 00:22:43.043 --> 00:22:44.111
  • >> and may that be the case. thank you for spending
  • 00:22:44.178 --> 00:22:45.413
  • Thank you for spending the time with us.
  • 00:22:45.479 --> 00:22:46.180
  • The time with us. >> and i'm hoping to share in
  • 00:22:46.247 --> 00:22:47.548
  • >> and i'm hoping to share in your principles of tikkun olam,
  • 00:22:47.615 --> 00:22:50.251
  • Your principles of tikkun olam, repairing the world.
  • 00:22:50.317 --> 00:22:50.818
  • Repairing the world. >> thank you.
  • 00:22:50.885 --> 00:22:51.252
  • >> thank you. >> thank you.
  • 00:22:51.318 --> 00:22:51.585
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  • >> scott, as we've listened
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  • >> scott, as we've listened to all of these
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  • To all of these intricate details,
  • 00:24:26.981 --> 00:24:28.849
  • Intricate details, the bottom line still is
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  • The bottom line still is this is spiritual.
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  • This is spiritual. all this is spiritual.
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  • All this is spiritual. >> yeah.
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  • >> yeah. >> and i think
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  • >> and i think many of the things that
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  • Many of the things that you're going through right now,
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  • You're going through right now, 'cause we get your emails,
  • 00:24:37.091 --> 00:24:37.958
  • 'cause we get your emails, we get your letters,
  • 00:24:38.025 --> 00:24:39.426
  • We get your letters, are spiritual, and the solution
  • 00:24:39.493 --> 00:24:40.928
  • Are spiritual, and the solution is spiritual.
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  • Is spiritual. god answers prayer.
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  • God answers prayer. and all of this is about faith.
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  • And all of this is about faith. if you trust god,
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  • If you trust god, if you believe god,
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  • If you believe god, abraham believed god
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  • Abraham believed god and it was accounted
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  • And it was accounted unto him for righteousness.
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  • Unto him for righteousness. we wanna take a moment to pray
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  • We wanna take a moment to pray for you, for your needs.
  • 00:24:56.544 --> 00:24:58.279
  • For you, for your needs. but god is the answer, he is.
  • 00:24:58.345 --> 00:25:00.247
  • But god is the answer, he is. so, don't run from him,
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  • So, don't run from him, run to him in faith.
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  • Run to him in faith. >> amen.
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  • >> amen. we agree with you today.
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  • We agree with you today. father, in the name of yeshua,
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  • Father, in the name of yeshua, we pray, great god,
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  • We pray, great god, the prince of peace would
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  • The prince of peace would inhabit each one watching
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  • Inhabit each one watching and listening to us today, lord.
  • 00:25:12.927 --> 00:25:14.595
  • And listening to us today, lord. for those who are
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  • For those who are believing you for healing,
  • 00:25:15.262 --> 00:25:16.764
  • Believing you for healing, for those who are believing
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  • For those who are believing you lord for restoration
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  • You lord for restoration and family relationships,
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  • And family relationships, restoration in their finances.
  • 00:25:21.368 --> 00:25:24.305
  • Restoration in their finances. lord, i just pray that you,
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  • Lord, i just pray that you, the god of peace, would come.
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  • The god of peace, would come. and even as we've talked about
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  • And even as we've talked about things on this show today,
  • 00:25:29.476 --> 00:25:30.477
  • Things on this show today, things that seem
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  • Things that seem impossible with man,
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  • Impossible with man, they're possible with you.
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  • They're possible with you. if peace is possible
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  • If peace is possible in jerusalem,
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  • In jerusalem, what else can't you do?
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  • What else can't you do? so, we believe you, god,
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  • So, we believe you, god, for each person watching,
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  • For each person watching, touch, deliver, bring healing,
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  • Touch, deliver, bring healing, and bring hope and courage
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  • And bring hope and courage in yeshua's name.
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  • In yeshua's name. >> healing and wholeness in
  • 00:25:47.494 --> 00:25:48.829
  • >> healing and wholeness in jesus' name, in yeshua's name.
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  • Jesus' name, in yeshua's name. and i especially wanna speak
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  • And i especially wanna speak to those of you that have
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  • To those of you that have not yet committed your life
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  • Not yet committed your life to the lord and invited
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  • To the lord and invited yeshua jesus into your heart,
  • 00:25:57.071 --> 00:25:59.039
  • Yeshua jesus into your heart, especially if you're jewish.
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  • Especially if you're jewish. he's your messiah.
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  • He's your messiah. and for everyone else,
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  • And for everyone else, he's your savior also.
  • 00:26:02.343 --> 00:26:03.577
  • He's your savior also. so, just ask him.
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  • So, just ask him. it's about faith.
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  • It's about faith. it's a faith proposition.
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  • It's a faith proposition. just say, "god, i trust you.
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  • Just say, "god, i trust you. i believe in you.
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  • I believe in you. i wanna live for you.
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  • I wanna live for you. and forgive me of my sins."
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  • And forgive me of my sins." and that simple prayer
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  • And that simple prayer will change your life.
  • 00:26:16.323 --> 00:26:19.493
  • Will change your life. we invite you also
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  • We invite you also to continue to discover more
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  • To continue to discover more about the jewish foundations
  • 00:26:22.096 --> 00:26:23.998
  • About the jewish foundations of your faith.
  • 00:26:24.064 --> 00:26:25.633
  • Of your faith. you can go to our website,
  • 00:26:25.699 --> 00:26:26.700
  • You can go to our website, jewishvoice.tv,
  • 00:26:26.767 --> 00:26:27.835
  • Jewishvoice.tv, where you'll find
  • 00:26:27.901 --> 00:26:28.602
  • Where you'll find great resources to help you
  • 00:26:28.669 --> 00:26:30.604
  • Great resources to help you grow spiritually
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  • Grow spiritually and opportunities to join
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  • And opportunities to join the mission here at jewish voice
  • 00:26:33.474 --> 00:26:35.609
  • The mission here at jewish voice of reaching the jewish people
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  • Of reaching the jewish people and their neighbors with
  • 00:26:37.845 --> 00:26:39.113
  • And their neighbors with the good news of jesus,
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  • The good news of jesus, the only way to salvation.
  • 00:26:41.448 --> 00:26:44.018
  • The only way to salvation. his name is yeshua, salvation.
  • 00:26:44.084 --> 00:26:46.320
  • His name is yeshua, salvation. so, don't wait.
  • 00:26:46.387 --> 00:26:47.354
  • So, don't wait. okay, i also wanna
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  • Okay, i also wanna remind you to pray
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  • For the peace of jerusalem.
  • 00:26:49.556 --> 00:26:51.592
  • For the peace of jerusalem. they need prayer, not just jews,
  • 00:26:51.659 --> 00:26:53.927
  • They need prayer, not just jews, but arabs.
  • 00:26:53.994 --> 00:26:54.728
  • But arabs. not just israelis,
  • 00:26:54.795 --> 00:26:56.063
  • Not just israelis, but palestinians.
  • 00:26:56.130 --> 00:26:56.997
  • But palestinians. god's peace plan
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  • God's peace plan is the prince of peace,
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  • Is the prince of peace, and we are called to pray
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  • For their true peace.
  • 00:27:01.835 --> 00:27:03.537
  • For their true peace. and also remember
  • 00:27:03.604 --> 00:27:04.304
  • And also remember the greatest gift
  • 00:27:04.371 --> 00:27:05.873
  • The greatest gift that you can share with
  • 00:27:05.939 --> 00:27:06.974
  • That you can share with any jewish person or anyone
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  • Any jewish person or anyone for that matter is the good news
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  • For that matter is the good news of the savior,
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  • Of the savior, the messiah of israel,
  • 00:27:12.413 --> 00:27:14.415
  • The messiah of israel, and the savior of the world,
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  • And the savior of the world, yeshua, jesus.
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  • Yeshua, jesus. until next time,
  • 00:27:16.850 --> 00:27:17.718
  • Until next time, this is jonathan bernis
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  • This is jonathan bernis along with scott volk saying
  • 00:27:19.286 --> 00:27:20.487
  • Along with scott volk saying shalom and god bless you.
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  • ♪ ♪
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