Joyce Meyer - Escaping the Horrors of Domestic Violence (Part 1)

October 22, 2025 | 29:29

Is healing possible after abuse? Join Joyce and friends for a powerful conversation with survivor Sandee Jo Crocker—her story offers real hope and strength.

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>> sandee jo: i just
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>> sandee jo: i just remember thinking,
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>> sandee jo: i just remember thinking, "i'm gonna die.
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Remember thinking, "i'm gonna die. this is the day when
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"i'm gonna die. this is the day when it's all going to end."
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This is the day when it's all going to end." and he walked out.
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It's all going to end." and he walked out. i think he went outside,
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And he walked out. i think he went outside, and i went over
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I think he went outside, and i went over and tried to call 911.
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And i went over and tried to call 911. and immediately,
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And tried to call 911. and immediately, the call got disconnected,
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And immediately, the call got disconnected, and i just knew.
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The call got disconnected, and i just knew. and he told me.
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And i just knew. and he told me. he's like,
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And he told me. he's like, "you make them go away."
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>> joyce: i'm joyce meyer,
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>> joyce: i'm joyce meyer, and i believe that god can heal
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>> joyce: i'm joyce meyer, and i believe that god can heal you everywhere you hurt.
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>> ginger: hi everyone, welcome.
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>> ginger: hi everyone, welcome. today we have a very important
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>> ginger: hi everyone, welcome. today we have a very important discussion for you.
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Today we have a very important discussion for you. imagine getting home from
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Discussion for you. imagine getting home from your honeymoon, newly married,
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Imagine getting home from your honeymoon, newly married, to discover that the man
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Your honeymoon, newly married, to discover that the man you just tied your
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To discover that the man you just tied your whole life to is not
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Who you thought he was.
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Who you thought he was. that was the reality
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Who you thought he was. that was the reality for sandee joe crocker.
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That was the reality for sandee joe crocker. but things only got
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For sandee joe crocker. but things only got worse over the years.
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But things only got worse over the years. in today's talk it out podcast,
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Worse over the years. in today's talk it out podcast, sandee jo joins joyce, and erin,
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In today's talk it out podcast, sandee jo joins joyce, and erin, and me, to talk about her
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Sandee jo joins joyce, and erin, and me, to talk about her experience with domestic
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And me, to talk about her experience with domestic violence and how god
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Experience with domestic violence and how god can get you through
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Violence and how god can get you through the darkest of times.
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>> ginger: hey friends,
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>> ginger: hey friends, welcome to joyce meyer's
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>> ginger: hey friends, welcome to joyce meyer's talk it out podcast,
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Welcome to joyce meyer's talk it out podcast, where we love to talk
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Talk it out podcast, where we love to talk all about the love of god
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Where we love to talk all about the love of god and the way living
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All about the love of god and the way living with him makes such
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And the way living with him makes such a difference in our lives.
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With him makes such a difference in our lives. and today,
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A difference in our lives. and today, we have joyce with us,
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And today, we have joyce with us, of course, and erin,
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We have joyce with us, of course, and erin, and a special guest
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Of course, and erin, and a special guest who's going to talk
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And a special guest who's going to talk about some difficult things.
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So, we just wanna warn you,
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So, we just wanna warn you, before you have little ears
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So, we just wanna warn you, before you have little ears listening to this episode,
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Before you have little ears listening to this episode, you might want to listen
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Listening to this episode, you might want to listen to it yourself first,
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You might want to listen to it yourself first, because we're talking about
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To it yourself first, because we're talking about something that's so important,
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Because we're talking about something that's so important, affects so many people,
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Something that's so important, affects so many people, domestic violence.
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Affects so many people, domestic violence. and we're going to talk
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Domestic violence. and we're going to talk about it in a very real way
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And we're going to talk about it in a very real way with a real situation and also
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About it in a very real way with a real situation and also a real god who is big enough
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With a real situation and also a real god who is big enough to handle even these problems.
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A real god who is big enough to handle even these problems. so, come on in,
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To handle even these problems. so, come on in, be a part of this very,
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So, come on in, be a part of this very, very important conversation.
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Be a part of this very, very important conversation. and we want to welcome
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Very important conversation. and we want to welcome our lovely guest.
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And we want to welcome our lovely guest. we're just so glad you're here.
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Our lovely guest. we're just so glad you're here. this is sandee jo crocker.
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We're just so glad you're here. this is sandee jo crocker. and sandee jo is one
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This is sandee jo crocker. and sandee jo is one of those people who is brave
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And sandee jo is one of those people who is brave enough to share some very
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Of those people who is brave enough to share some very difficult things in her life
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And to share it in a way that
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And to share it in a way that is helping so many people
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And to share it in a way that is helping so many people around the world to know
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Is helping so many people around the world to know "i'm not alone in this."
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Around the world to know "i'm not alone in this." "there are answers," that
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"i'm not alone in this." "there are answers," that "god is there in the midst
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"there are answers," that "god is there in the midst of the most terrible things."
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"god is there in the midst of the most terrible things." and so, we're just really
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Of the most terrible things." and so, we're just really glad that you're here.
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And so, we're just really glad that you're here. it's an honor to have
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Glad that you're here. it's an honor to have you here with us.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. >> sandee jo: thank you,
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Thank you. >> sandee jo: thank you, ginger, for having me,
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>> sandee jo: thank you, ginger, for having me, and i feel so honored
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Ginger, for having me, and i feel so honored to be here,
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And i feel so honored to be here, sitting with you ladies,
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And especially, joyce and erin.
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And especially, joyce and erin. just it's great to be here
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And especially, joyce and erin. just it's great to be here to share my story.
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Just it's great to be here to share my story. >> ginger: well, with what
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To share my story. >> ginger: well, with what you went through,
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>> ginger: well, with what you went through, and we're gonna dig
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You went through, and we're gonna dig into your story deeper,
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And we're gonna dig into your story deeper, but just to give everybody
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Into your story deeper, but just to give everybody an idea of what we're
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But just to give everybody an idea of what we're talking about today.
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An idea of what we're talking about today. you and your family faced very,
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Talking about today. you and your family faced very, very difficult,
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You and your family faced very, very difficult, extreme domestic
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Very difficult, extreme domestic violence in your home.
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Extreme domestic violence in your home. you were married,
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Violence in your home. you were married, and within a week,
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You were married, and within a week, the violence started.
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And within a week, the violence started. and before that time,
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The violence started. and before that time, you had no idea, did you?
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And before that time, you had no idea, did you? >> sandee jo: none whatsoever.
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You had no idea, did you? >> sandee jo: none whatsoever. we dated for two years,
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>> sandee jo: none whatsoever. we dated for two years, and he was wonderful to me.
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We dated for two years, and he was wonderful to me. we did have--
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And he was wonderful to me. we did have-- it was kind of a long-distance
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We did have-- it was kind of a long-distance dating relationship,
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It was kind of a long-distance dating relationship, so he was about
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Dating relationship, so he was about an hour and a half away from me.
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So he was about an hour and a half away from me. but the moments that
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An hour and a half away from me. but the moments that we were together,
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But the moments that we were together, he was a wonderful person,
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We were together, he was a wonderful person, never did anything that would
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He was a wonderful person, never did anything that would make me think that he had any
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Never did anything that would make me think that he had any violent tendencies whatsoever.
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Make me think that he had any violent tendencies whatsoever. >> joyce: and everybody
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Violent tendencies whatsoever. >> joyce: and everybody outside your marriage
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>> joyce: and everybody outside your marriage thought he was just wonderful.
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Outside your marriage thought he was just wonderful. >> sandee jo: absolutely.
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Thought he was just wonderful. >> sandee jo: absolutely. my family loved him.
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>> sandee jo: absolutely. my family loved him. >> joyce: because he could
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My family loved him. >> joyce: because he could turn it on and turn it off.
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>> joyce: because he could turn it on and turn it off. >> sandee jo: yes.
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Turn it on and turn it off. >> sandee jo: yes. >> ginger: and then after
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>> sandee jo: yes. >> ginger: and then after many years of marriage,
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>> ginger: and then after many years of marriage, four children?
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Many years of marriage, four children? >> sandee jo: four children,
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Four children? >> sandee jo: four children, 18 1/2 years later.
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>> sandee jo: four children, 18 1/2 years later. >> ginger: wow.
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18 1/2 years later. >> ginger: wow. and then it all came
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>> ginger: wow. and then it all came to a head on a very,
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And then it all came to a head on a very, very violent day.
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To a head on a very, very violent day. >> sandee jo: yes.
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Very violent day. >> sandee jo: yes. yes.
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>> sandee jo: yes. yes. and that's when our son,
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Yes. and that's when our son, who was 17 years old,
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And that's when our son, who was 17 years old, at the time,
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Who was 17 years old, at the time, shot and killed
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At the time, shot and killed his dad to protect
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Shot and killed his dad to protect himself and our family.
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His dad to protect himself and our family. and that day our lives
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Himself and our family. and that day our lives changed forever.
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And that day our lives changed forever. it really did.
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Changed forever. it really did. it was--
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It really did. it was-- you know, i had, at that point,
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It was-- you know, i had, at that point, i had just accepted
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You know, i had, at that point, i had just accepted that this was my life.
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I had just accepted that this was my life. i couldn't leave.
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That this was my life. i couldn't leave. he always told me
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I couldn't leave. he always told me he would find me,
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He always told me he would find me, and he would kill
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He would find me, and he would kill me if i ever tried to leave.
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And he would kill me if i ever tried to leave. >> joyce: and a lot of men do.
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Me if i ever tried to leave. >> joyce: and a lot of men do. >> ginger: yeah.
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>> joyce: and a lot of men do. >> ginger: yeah. yeah.
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>> ginger: yeah. yeah. you had reason to believe...
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Yeah. you had reason to believe... >> sandee jo: absolutely.
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You had reason to believe... >> sandee jo: absolutely. >> ginger: he meant it.
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>> sandee jo: absolutely. >> ginger: he meant it. >> sandee jo: i knew what
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>> ginger: he meant it. >> sandee jo: i knew what he was capable of.
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>> sandee jo: i knew what he was capable of. >> ginger: yeah.
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He was capable of. >> ginger: yeah. >> sandee jo: so, i stayed.
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>> ginger: yeah. >> sandee jo: so, i stayed. i stayed--
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>> sandee jo: so, i stayed. i stayed-- >> joyce: but now god's
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I stayed-- >> joyce: but now god's given her a great new
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>> joyce: but now god's given her a great new husband and great new life.
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Given her a great new husband and great new life. and he is our redeemer,
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Husband and great new life. and he is our redeemer, our restorer.
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And he is our redeemer, our restorer. and now,
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Our restorer. and now, she can use what satan meant
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And now, she can use what satan meant for harm and use it for good.
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She can use what satan meant for harm and use it for good. >> ginger: that's right.
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For harm and use it for good. >> ginger: that's right. and what we really wanna
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>> ginger: that's right. and what we really wanna do today is just to give women
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And what we really wanna do today is just to give women hope and to empower them
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Do today is just to give women hope and to empower them to know that there are answers
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Hope and to empower them to know that there are answers and that there's a god who
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To know that there are answers and that there's a god who loves them so much when
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And that there's a god who loves them so much when they feel so very hurt
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Loves them so much when they feel so very hurt and alone and isolated.
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They feel so very hurt and alone and isolated. so, we're gonna start with
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And alone and isolated. so, we're gonna start with god's word because that's what
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So, we're gonna start with god's word because that's what helps us through everything
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God's word because that's what helps us through everything that we have to go through.
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Helps us through everything that we have to go through. so, we're gonna start with
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That we have to go through. so, we're gonna start with joyce and then we'll come
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So, we're gonna start with joyce and then we'll come back and we'll talk more
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Joyce and then we'll come back and we'll talk more with sandee jo.
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>> joyce: "god, your god,
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>> joyce: "god, your god, will restore everything
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>> joyce: "god, your god, will restore everything you lost; he'll have
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Will restore everything you lost; he'll have compassion on you; he'll come
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You lost; he'll have compassion on you; he'll come back and pick up the pieces
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Compassion on you; he'll come back and pick up the pieces from all the places you were
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Back and pick up the pieces from all the places you were scattered.
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From all the places you were scattered. no matter how far away you end
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Scattered. no matter how far away you end up, god, your god, will get you
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No matter how far away you end up, god, your god, will get you out of there and bring you back
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Up, god, your god, will get you out of there and bring you back to the land that your ancestors
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Out of there and bring you back to the land that your ancestors once possessed.
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To the land that your ancestors once possessed. it will be yours again.
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Once possessed. it will be yours again. he will give you a good life
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It will be yours again. he will give you a good life and make you more numerous than
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He will give you a good life and make you more numerous than your ancestors were."
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And make you more numerous than your ancestors were." there's a couple of parts
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Your ancestors were." there's a couple of parts of this i really like.
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There's a couple of parts of this i really like. "god, your god, will restore
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Of this i really like. "god, your god, will restore everything that you have lost."
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"god, your god, will restore everything that you have lost." everything is everything.
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Everything that you have lost." everything is everything. it's not everything except
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Everything is everything. it's not everything except your thing.
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It's not everything except your thing. >> [audience laughing]
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Your thing. >> [audience laughing] >> joyce: and he'll come back,
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>> [audience laughing] >> joyce: and he'll come back, no matter how far away you are.
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>> joyce: and he'll come back, no matter how far away you are. he will come back and he'll find
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No matter how far away you are. he will come back and he'll find you and he'll collect you
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He will come back and he'll find you and he'll collect you and he'll bring you back to his
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You and he'll collect you and he'll bring you back to his heart and he'll restore
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And he'll bring you back to his heart and he'll restore everything in your life that
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Heart and he'll restore everything in your life that has been broken.
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Everything in your life that has been broken. >> [audience applauding]
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>> joyce: the bible says that
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>> joyce: the bible says that god gives us beauty for ashes,
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>> joyce: the bible says that god gives us beauty for ashes, that he heals the brokenhearted.
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Maybe there's somebody here
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Maybe there's somebody here tonight that you need
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Maybe there's somebody here tonight that you need restoration from a broken heart.
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Tonight that you need restoration from a broken heart. somebody's hurt you, wounded
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Restoration from a broken heart. somebody's hurt you, wounded you, a broken relationship,
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Somebody's hurt you, wounded you, a broken relationship, somebody did something to you
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You, a broken relationship, somebody did something to you that you would have never ever,
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Somebody did something to you that you would have never ever, ever believed that that person
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That you would have never ever, ever believed that that person would have done to you.
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Ever believed that that person would have done to you. and right now, you feel like you
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Would have done to you. and right now, you feel like you could never trust anybody again.
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And right now, you feel like you could never trust anybody again. let me tell you something,
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Could never trust anybody again. let me tell you something, don't ever let what one or two
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Let me tell you something, don't ever let what one or two or three or four or five
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Don't ever let what one or two or three or four or five mean people do to you get you
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Or three or four or five mean people do to you get you into an area where you distrust
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Mean people do to you get you into an area where you distrust every person out there.
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Into an area where you distrust every person out there. it's miserable for you
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Every person out there. it's miserable for you and it's not fair to them.
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It's miserable for you and it's not fair to them. >> [audience applauding]
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And it's not fair to them. >> [audience applauding] >> joyce: isaiah 61:7.
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>> [audience applauding] >> joyce: isaiah 61:7. boy, when i was going through
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>> joyce: isaiah 61:7. boy, when i was going through the healing process with god for
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Boy, when i was going through the healing process with god for my sexual abuse from my father,
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The healing process with god for my sexual abuse from my father, i hung on to this scripture.
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Man, i hung on to this.
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Man, i hung on to this. this was one of my favorite
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Man, i hung on to this. this was one of my favorite go-to scriptures when i felt
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This was one of my favorite go-to scriptures when i felt like i couldn't make it
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Go-to scriptures when i felt like i couldn't make it one more day.
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Like i couldn't make it one more day. isaiah 61:7: "instead of your
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One more day. isaiah 61:7: "instead of your [former] shame you will have
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Isaiah 61:7: "instead of your [former] shame you will have a double portion; and instead
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[former] shame you will have a double portion; and instead of humiliation your people
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A double portion; and instead of humiliation your people will shout for joy over
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Of humiliation your people will shout for joy over their portion.
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Will shout for joy over their portion. therefore in their land they
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Their portion. therefore in their land they will possess double [what they
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Therefore in their land they will possess double [what they forfeited]; and everlasting joy
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Will possess double [what they forfeited]; and everlasting joy will be theirs."
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Forfeited]; and everlasting joy will be theirs." i call it when you hang out with
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God you get double for your
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God you get double for your trouble, amen?
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God you get double for your trouble, amen? >> [audience applauding]
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Trouble, amen? >> [audience applauding] >> joyce: so i remember
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>> [audience applauding] >> joyce: so i remember the shame.
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>> joyce: so i remember the shame. [swallowing]
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The shame. [swallowing] i remember the humiliation,
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[swallowing] i remember the humiliation, the hiding, the feeling like
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I remember the humiliation, the hiding, the feeling like i was always so different
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The hiding, the feeling like i was always so different than everybody else.
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I was always so different than everybody else. but you know what?
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Than everybody else. but you know what? those things now,
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But you know what? those things now, i have to really try
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Those things now, i have to really try to go back and remember
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I have to really try to go back and remember them because god has
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To go back and remember them because god has given me such an amazing life
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Them because god has given me such an amazing life and such an amazing opportunity
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Given me such an amazing life and such an amazing opportunity to help so many people and so
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And such an amazing opportunity to help so many people and so the devil thought he was winning
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To help so many people and so the devil thought he was winning but actually he gave me
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The devil thought he was winning but actually he gave me equipment to go around the world
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But actually he gave me equipment to go around the world and help everybody else.
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Equipment to go around the world and help everybody else. >> [audience applauding]
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>> ginger: i love that.
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>> ginger: i love that. the devil thought
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>> ginger: i love that. the devil thought he was winning.
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The devil thought he was winning. and what a great scripture
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He was winning. and what a great scripture that you began with, joyce.
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And what a great scripture that you began with, joyce. deuteronomy 30:3-5
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That you began with, joyce. deuteronomy 30:3-5 "god, your god, will restore
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Deuteronomy 30:3-5 "god, your god, will restore everything you lost.
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"god, your god, will restore everything you lost. he'll have compassion on you.
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Everything you lost. he'll have compassion on you. he'll come back and pick up
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He'll have compassion on you. he'll come back and pick up the pieces from all the places
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He'll come back and pick up the pieces from all the places where you were scattered."
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The pieces from all the places where you were scattered." just so many
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Wonderful promises.
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Wonderful promises. >> joyce: i love that.
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Wonderful promises. >> joyce: i love that. >> ginger: when you're
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>> joyce: i love that. >> ginger: when you're in that situation,
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>> ginger: when you're in that situation, however, sandee jo,
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In that situation, however, sandee jo, you have to wonder
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However, sandee jo, you have to wonder "when, how is this
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You have to wonder "when, how is this going to happen?"
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"when, how is this going to happen?" tell us a little bit about how
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Going to happen?" tell us a little bit about how things progressed for you,
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Tell us a little bit about how things progressed for you, how you found yourself
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Things progressed for you, how you found yourself in a situation that you
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How you found yourself in a situation that you never imagined you'd be in.
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In a situation that you never imagined you'd be in. >> sandee jo: well, i married
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Never imagined you'd be in. >> sandee jo: well, i married when i was 18,
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>> sandee jo: well, i married when i was 18, so very young.
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When i was 18, so very young. and then, when we returned
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So very young. and then, when we returned home from our honeymoon,
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And then, when we returned home from our honeymoon, that was the first day that
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Home from our honeymoon, that was the first day that he put his hands on me.
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That was the first day that he put his hands on me. and i just remember thinking,
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He put his hands on me. and i just remember thinking, when he apologized,
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And i just remember thinking, when he apologized, "okay," i forgave him.
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When he apologized, "okay," i forgave him. i had never seen
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"okay," i forgave him. i had never seen the side of him.
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I had never seen the side of him. and so, i just thought,
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The side of him. and so, i just thought, "okay, something happened,"
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And so, i just thought, "okay, something happened," maybe he was stressed.
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"okay, something happened," maybe he was stressed. but, you know, it just--
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Maybe he was stressed. but, you know, it just-- from that point on, the years--
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But, you know, it just-- from that point on, the years-- he--it just escalated.
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From that point on, the years-- he--it just escalated. so, from then,
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He--it just escalated. so, from then, it wasn't just him shoving me,
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So, from then, it wasn't just him shoving me, now it's him choking me,
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It wasn't just him shoving me, now it's him choking me, or throwing me into a wall,
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Now it's him choking me, or throwing me into a wall, or taking me by my hair
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Or throwing me into a wall, or taking me by my hair and slamming me against objects,
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Or taking me by my hair and slamming me against objects, and then guns and knives,
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And slamming me against objects, and then guns and knives, and speeding vehicles,
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And then guns and knives, and speeding vehicles, and just anything that he could
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And speeding vehicles, and just anything that he could use to maintain the control.
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And just anything that he could use to maintain the control. and he--and he did.
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Use to maintain the control. and he--and he did. he maintained that control
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And he--and he did. he maintained that control for years because i was
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He maintained that control for years because i was literally afraid of him.
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For years because i was literally afraid of him. >> joyce: did you have
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Literally afraid of him. >> joyce: did you have to do anything to anger him,
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>> joyce: did you have to do anything to anger him, or did--what set him off?
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To do anything to anger him, or did--what set him off? >> sandee jo: it could
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Or did--what set him off? >> sandee jo: it could be anything.
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>> sandee jo: it could be anything. it could be the baby crying.
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Be anything. it could be the baby crying. it could be we made a wrong
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It could be the baby crying. it could be we made a wrong turn when we were on a way
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It could be we made a wrong turn when we were on a way to go somewhere.
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Turn when we were on a way to go somewhere. just anything, what would seem
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To go somewhere. just anything, what would seem simple to you and i, was huge.
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Just anything, what would seem simple to you and i, was huge. and that's--
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Simple to you and i, was huge. and that's-- and then just like that,
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And that's-- and then just like that, he would change.
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And then just like that, he would change. but yeah, i would fight
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He would change. but yeah, i would fight back in the beginning,
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But yeah, i would fight back in the beginning, which i was embarrassed of.
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Back in the beginning, which i was embarrassed of. i was embarrassed to think,
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Which i was embarrassed of. i was embarrassed to think, "this is what's going
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I was embarrassed to think, "this is what's going on behind closed doors,"
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"this is what's going on behind closed doors," but i would protect myself
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On behind closed doors," but i would protect myself and i would fight back.
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But i would protect myself and i would fight back. but what changed was
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And i would fight back. but what changed was when i became pregnant
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But what changed was when i became pregnant with our first child and then
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When i became pregnant with our first child and then i was no longer fighting back,
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With our first child and then i was no longer fighting back, but i was trying
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I was no longer fighting back, but i was trying to protect my baby.
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But i was trying to protect my baby. and then there was baby number
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To protect my baby. and then there was baby number two, and then there was baby
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And then there was baby number two, and then there was baby number three, and then four.
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Two, and then there was baby number three, and then four. and so now i'm just,
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Number three, and then four. and so now i'm just, i'm feeling trapped.
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And so now i'm just, i'm feeling trapped. whereas, at one point i thought,
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I'm feeling trapped. whereas, at one point i thought, "well, if he does it again,
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Whereas, at one point i thought, "well, if he does it again, i'll just leave."
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"well, if he does it again, i'll just leave." even though i wanted to break
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I'll just leave." even though i wanted to break the cycle of the divorce
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Even though i wanted to break the cycle of the divorce rate in my family,
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The cycle of the divorce rate in my family, in my extended family.
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Rate in my family, in my extended family. so, i stayed in those
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In my extended family. so, i stayed in those early years.
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So, i stayed in those early years. but then i felt trapped
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Early years. but then i felt trapped after i had so many kids.
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But then i felt trapped after i had so many kids. i was like, "okay,
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After i had so many kids. i was like, "okay, i really can't leave."
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I was like, "okay, i really can't leave." and he told me, "you'll never
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I really can't leave." and he told me, "you'll never separate me from my kids.
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And he told me, "you'll never separate me from my kids. you'll never try to leave me.
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Separate me from my kids. you'll never try to leave me. we don't divorce in my family."
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You'll never try to leave me. we don't divorce in my family." and because i was
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We don't divorce in my family." and because i was also a new christian,
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And because i was also a new christian, he would use the spiritual--
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Also a new christian, he would use the spiritual-- he would use scripture.
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He would use the spiritual-- he would use scripture. >> ginger: and you met
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He would use scripture. >> ginger: and you met him in church.
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>> ginger: and you met him in church. >> sandee jo: yes.
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Him in church. >> sandee jo: yes. and he would say--
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>> sandee jo: yes. and he would say-- but i was a new christian.
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And he would say-- but i was a new christian. he had been raised,
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But i was a new christian. he had been raised, you know, his father was
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He had been raised, you know, his father was the pastor of a church.
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You know, his father was the pastor of a church. >> ginger: yeah.
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The pastor of a church. >> ginger: yeah. >> sandee jo: and he would say,
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>> ginger: yeah. >> sandee jo: and he would say, "i'm the head of the house.
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>> sandee jo: and he would say, "i'm the head of the house. you have to submit to me.
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"i'm the head of the house. you have to submit to me. god hates divorce."
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You have to submit to me. god hates divorce." and then i would hear it again
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God hates divorce." and then i would hear it again from my father-in-law,
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And then i would hear it again from my father-in-law, who is a very godly man.
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From my father-in-law, who is a very godly man. and i love him,
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Who is a very godly man. and i love him, still to this day.
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And i love him, still to this day. and i know he would say,
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Still to this day. and i know he would say, you know, "god hates divorce."
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And i know he would say, you know, "god hates divorce." so, i'm hearing all
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You know, "god hates divorce." so, i'm hearing all this and i'm like,
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So, i'm hearing all this and i'm like, "okay, i have to stay."
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This and i'm like, "okay, i have to stay." >> ginger: but your husband
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"okay, i have to stay." >> ginger: but your husband was using that as manipulation
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>> ginger: but your husband was using that as manipulation to get what he wanted.
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Was using that as manipulation to get what he wanted. >> sandee jo: yes.
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To get what he wanted. >> sandee jo: yes. and so, this just years
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>> sandee jo: yes. and so, this just years upon years would, you know.
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And so, this just years upon years would, you know. >> joyce: did he threaten
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Upon years would, you know. >> joyce: did he threaten to kill you if you left him?
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>> joyce: did he threaten to kill you if you left him? >> sandee jo: yes.
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To kill you if you left him? >> sandee jo: yes. he threatened to kill me
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>> sandee jo: yes. he threatened to kill me so many times i lost track.
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He threatened to kill me so many times i lost track. and he would just tell me,
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So many times i lost track. and he would just tell me, he said--and if anybody--
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And he would just tell me, he said--and if anybody-- "if you leave and i come
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He said--and if anybody-- "if you leave and i come after you, i'll kill anybody
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"if you leave and i come after you, i'll kill anybody that gets in the way."
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After you, i'll kill anybody that gets in the way." so, whether that was my family
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That gets in the way." so, whether that was my family or a friend, or just anybody
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So, whether that was my family or a friend, or just anybody that was going to get
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Or a friend, or just anybody that was going to get in the way of his, you know--
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That was going to get in the way of his, you know-- and it was control.
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In the way of his, you know-- and it was control. >> ginger: yeah.
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And it was control. >> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: people control
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>> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: people control you with fear.
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>> joyce: people control you with fear. i know that's what my dad did.
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You with fear. i know that's what my dad did. he never like physically
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I know that's what my dad did. he never like physically forced me to do anything,
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He never like physically forced me to do anything, but he controlled me with fear.
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Forced me to do anything, but he controlled me with fear. and so, i understand
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But he controlled me with fear. and so, i understand from a different viewpoint.
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And so, i understand from a different viewpoint. >> sandee jo: yeah.
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From a different viewpoint. >> sandee jo: yeah. and i understand when you--
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>> sandee jo: yeah. and i understand when you-- you say so often about--
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And i understand when you-- you say so often about-- you talk about the shame.
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You say so often about-- you talk about the shame. and i love that you talk
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You talk about the shame. and i love that you talk about hard things, which,
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And i love that you talk about hard things, which, you know, the world
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About hard things, which, you know, the world is talking about abuse.
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You know, the world is talking about abuse. so, i feel like the church
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Is talking about abuse. so, i feel like the church needs to talk about abuse.
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So, i feel like the church needs to talk about abuse. and you are a mouthpiece
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Needs to talk about abuse. and you are a mouthpiece for abuse.
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And you are a mouthpiece for abuse. you put it out there,
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For abuse. you put it out there, and you say, "this is what
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You put it out there, and you say, "this is what happened to me."
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And you say, "this is what happened to me." and this is, you know,
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Happened to me." and this is, you know, "this is what i used--"
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>> joyce: i don't think
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>> joyce: i don't think we have any idea how many
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>> joyce: i don't think we have any idea how many people are being abused,
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We have any idea how many people are being abused, whether it's just control
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People are being abused, whether it's just control or being put down all the time.
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They can never
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They can never do anything right.
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They can never do anything right. anything to belittle them.
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Do anything right. anything to belittle them. i don't think we have any idea
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Anything to belittle them. i don't think we have any idea how many people are suffering
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I don't think we have any idea how many people are suffering with that behind the scenes.
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How many people are suffering with that behind the scenes. and i wanna say something,
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With that behind the scenes. and i wanna say something, but i don't want--
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And i wanna say something, but i don't want-- i hope people take it right.
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But i don't want-- i hope people take it right. you know, god wants to help
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I hope people take it right. you know, god wants to help us, but he can't do anything
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You know, god wants to help us, but he can't do anything if we won't do anything.
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Us, but he can't do anything if we won't do anything. and so, you had to--
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If we won't do anything. and so, you had to-- you know, your situation
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And so, you had to-- you know, your situation was different in that what
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You know, your situation was different in that what your son was driven to do,
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Was different in that what your son was driven to do, which certainly
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Your son was driven to do, which certainly was not his fault.
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Which certainly was not his fault. you can only put
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Was not his fault. you can only put up with so much.
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You can only put up with so much. but, like, i look back even
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Up with so much. but, like, i look back even at my younger life and,
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But, like, i look back even at my younger life and, i mean, i tried to get help
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At my younger life and, i mean, i tried to get help from a couple of people,
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I mean, i tried to get help from a couple of people, and they didn't wanna
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From a couple of people, and they didn't wanna get involved.
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And they didn't wanna get involved. and abuse was just so not
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Get involved. and abuse was just so not talked about then.
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And abuse was just so not talked about then. it was like--
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Talked about then. it was like-- so, i didn't--
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It was like-- so, i didn't-- but i wonder sometimes,
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So, i didn't-- but i wonder sometimes, should i have just kept
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But i wonder sometimes, should i have just kept it up until i got some help?
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Should i have just kept it up until i got some help? and so, i think sometimes,
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It up until i got some help? and so, i think sometimes, even when you stay,
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And so, i think sometimes, even when you stay, there's a guilt
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Even when you stay, there's a guilt attached to that.
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It's like, you know,
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It's like, you know, you should go.
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It's like, you know, you should go. and i think that it's one
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You should go. and i think that it's one of the things i would like
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And i think that it's one of the things i would like to leave with people today.
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Of the things i would like to leave with people today. and i'm not an expert
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To leave with people today. and i'm not an expert in domestic abuse,
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And i'm not an expert in domestic abuse, but i think probably
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In domestic abuse, but i think probably the sooner you go,
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But i think probably the sooner you go, the better off you are.
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The sooner you go, the better off you are. because if somebody starts,
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The better off you are. because if somebody starts, like my mom and dad,
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Because if somebody starts, like my mom and dad, he hit her when they
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Like my mom and dad, he hit her when they were still engaged.
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He hit her when they were still engaged. so, that should have been
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Were still engaged. so, that should have been a signal right there that
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So, that should have been a signal right there that "i'm not going any
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A signal right there that "i'm not going any further with this."
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"i'm not going any further with this." because the longer
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Further with this." because the longer you put up with it,
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Because the longer you put up with it, the harder it is to break
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You put up with it, the harder it is to break free from it.
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The harder it is to break free from it. >> erin: i thought it was
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Free from it. >> erin: i thought it was interesting in your book
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That when you shared that--
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That when you shared that-- i believe, was it his parents
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That when you shared that-- i believe, was it his parents that came over to your home?
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I believe, was it his parents that came over to your home? it was before you guys
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That came over to your home? it was before you guys had kids, i believe or--
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It was before you guys had kids, i believe or-- >> sandee jo: i think
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Had kids, i believe or-- >> sandee jo: i think we went to their house.
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>> sandee jo: i think we went to their house. >> erin: you went
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We went to their house. >> erin: you went to their house.
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>> erin: you went to their house. >> sandee jo: yeah.
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To their house. >> sandee jo: yeah. that was usually
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>> sandee jo: yeah. that was usually how it happened.
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That was usually how it happened. we would go to their house.
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>> erin: and you
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>> erin: and you shared that you--
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>> erin: and you shared that you-- i think they were
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Shared that you-- i think they were checking on you,
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I think they were checking on you, but it seemed like it was
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Checking on you, but it seemed like it was an opportunity where you--
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But it seemed like it was an opportunity where you-- where you guys could have--
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An opportunity where you-- where you guys could have-- or you could have been
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Where you guys could have-- or you could have been honest about it, but you
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Or you could have been honest about it, but you just--you weren't ready.
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>> sandee jo: i didn't share.
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>> sandee jo: i didn't share. and i was, again,
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>> sandee jo: i didn't share. and i was, again, i was afraid to, and he--
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And i was, again, i was afraid to, and he-- and it was because
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I was afraid to, and he-- and it was because of the threats.
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And it was because of the threats. he would--
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Of the threats. he would-- you know, tell me--
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He would-- you know, tell me-- "you can't tell anyone,
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You know, tell me-- "you can't tell anyone, you can't tell a soul."
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"you can't tell anyone, you can't tell a soul." but then, he was
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You can't tell a soul." but then, he was also so repentant,
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But then, he was also so repentant, or he seemed to be.
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Also so repentant, or he seemed to be. he was so--
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Or he seemed to be. he was so-- in the early days, you know,
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He was so-- in the early days, you know, he seemed so sorry
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In the early days, you know, he seemed so sorry for what he did,
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He seemed so sorry for what he did, and he would cry,
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For what he did, and he would cry, and then i would feel bad.
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And he would cry, and then i would feel bad. but what you said is so true.
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And then i would feel bad. but what you said is so true. the longer that you put
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But what you said is so true. the longer that you put up with it, the more
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The longer that you put up with it, the more control that they have.
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Up with it, the more control that they have. because the longer
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Control that they have. because the longer that i stayed,
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Because the longer that i stayed, the more that he knew
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That i stayed, the more that he knew that i wasn't going to tell.
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The more that he knew that i wasn't going to tell. and he was right.
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That i wasn't going to tell. and he was right. i mean, you know, i didn't tell.
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And he was right. i mean, you know, i didn't tell. and then the kids didn't tell,
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I mean, you know, i didn't tell. and then the kids didn't tell, just because we knew
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And then the kids didn't tell, just because we knew that this is what we had
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Just because we knew that this is what we had to do to not make--you know,
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That this is what we had to do to not make--you know, so that dad didn't get mad.
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To do to not make--you know, so that dad didn't get mad. >> [ladies agreeing]
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So that dad didn't get mad. >> [ladies agreeing] >> sandee jo: and but i--
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>> [ladies agreeing] >> sandee jo: and but i-- you say something also
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>> sandee jo: and but i-- you say something also that i've heard you say
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You say something also that i've heard you say over the years is that
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That i've heard you say over the years is that "take your pain
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Over the years is that "take your pain and do something good with it."
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"take your pain and do something good with it." >> joyce: yeah.
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And do something good with it." >> joyce: yeah. >> sandee jo: and "don't
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>> joyce: yeah. >> sandee jo: and "don't park at your pain."
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>> sandee jo: and "don't park at your pain." >> joyce: yeah.
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Park at your pain." >> joyce: yeah. and i just know that that
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>> joyce: yeah. and i just know that that resonates with me because i know
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And i just know that that resonates with me because i know from your personal story,
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Resonates with me because i know from your personal story, what you've been through.
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From your personal story, what you've been through. and abuse, you know, just like
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What you've been through. and abuse, you know, just like you said, it's slightly
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And abuse, you know, just like you said, it's slightly different, the abuse,
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You said, it's slightly different, the abuse, but it's still abuse,
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Different, the abuse, but it's still abuse, and you feel like you
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But it's still abuse, and you feel like you can't get away from it.
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And you feel like you can't get away from it. >> joyce: now, my dad,
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Can't get away from it. >> joyce: now, my dad, he would come home drunk
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>> joyce: now, my dad, he would come home drunk and slap my mother around,
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He would come home drunk and slap my mother around, and a couple of times
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And slap my mother around, and a couple of times he beat her so bad she
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And a couple of times he beat her so bad she couldn't get off the floor,
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He beat her so bad she couldn't get off the floor, but he never was
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Couldn't get off the floor, but he never was physically violent with me,
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But he never was physically violent with me, except one time when i ran
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Physically violent with me, except one time when i ran away from home, and then
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Except one time when i ran away from home, and then he beat the tar out of me.
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Away from home, and then he beat the tar out of me. but that fear, you almost
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He beat the tar out of me. but that fear, you almost have to experience
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But that fear, you almost have to experience it to understand...
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Have to experience it to understand... >> sandee jo: it's paralyzing.
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It to understand... >> sandee jo: it's paralyzing. >> joyce: how bad that fear is.
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>> sandee jo: it's paralyzing. >> joyce: how bad that fear is. it's just like you, you know.
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>> joyce: how bad that fear is. it's just like you, you know. i tried.
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It's just like you, you know. i tried. i wrote my dad a letter,
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I tried. i wrote my dad a letter, one time.
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I wrote my dad a letter, one time. he worked nights,
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One time. he worked nights, and my mother
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He worked nights, and my mother was in the hospital.
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And my mother was in the hospital. so, he'd get home
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Was in the hospital. so, he'd get home around midnight,
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So, he'd get home around midnight, and i wrote a letter
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Around midnight, and i wrote a letter and left it,
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And i wrote a letter and left it, by where he sat and ate,
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And left it, by where he sat and ate, telling him how awful
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By where he sat and ate, telling him how awful it made me feel,
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Telling him how awful it made me feel, what he was doing,
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It made me feel, what he was doing, and, you know,
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What he was doing, and, you know, would he please stop.
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And, you know, would he please stop. and he came and got me out
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Would he please stop. and he came and got me out of bed and just scared me more.
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And he came and got me out of bed and just scared me more. and so, every time i would
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Of bed and just scared me more. and so, every time i would try to do anything or say
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And so, every time i would try to do anything or say anything to get him to quit,
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Try to do anything or say anything to get him to quit, that would just make him madder.
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Anything to get him to quit, that would just make him madder. >> ginger: yeah.
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That would just make him madder. >> ginger: yeah. well, as an example,
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>> ginger: yeah. well, as an example, there was a time that you
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Well, as an example, there was a time that you called the police for help,
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There was a time that you called the police for help, and he put a stop
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Called the police for help, and he put a stop to that right away.
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And he put a stop to that right away. tell us what happened.
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To that right away. tell us what happened. >> sandee jo: i had never
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Tell us what happened. >> sandee jo: i had never called the police before that,
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>> sandee jo: i had never called the police before that, and i never called
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Called the police before that, and i never called the police again after that.
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And i never called the police again after that. and that's because
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The police again after that. and that's because that day was--
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And that's because that day was-- had just--
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That day was-- had just-- was horrible.
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Had just-- was horrible. he was burning all my stuff,
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Was horrible. he was burning all my stuff, my treasured pictures from
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He was burning all my stuff, my treasured pictures from my grandma and my nana,
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My treasured pictures from my grandma and my nana, and just everything.
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My grandma and my nana, and just everything. and i took his beloved cowboy
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And just everything. and i took his beloved cowboy hat and i tossed it in the fire.
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And i took his beloved cowboy hat and i tossed it in the fire. and i knew even as i did that,
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Hat and i tossed it in the fire. and i knew even as i did that, that this was really
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And i knew even as i did that, that this was really going to set him off.
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That this was really going to set him off. i mean, even worse
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Going to set him off. i mean, even worse than he already was.
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I mean, even worse than he already was. and it did.
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Than he already was. and it did. and he brought a chainsaw
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And it did. and he brought a chainsaw in and started chopping
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And he brought a chainsaw in and started chopping up our furniture.
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And then i was hiding,
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And then i was hiding, crouching in a corner.
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And then i was hiding, crouching in a corner. anyway, he got a hold
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Crouching in a corner. anyway, he got a hold of me and he--again, by the hair
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Anyway, he got a hold of me and he--again, by the hair and drug me room to room,
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Of me and he--again, by the hair and drug me room to room, slamming me into walls
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And drug me room to room, slamming me into walls and then kicking me,
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Slamming me into walls and then kicking me, pounding on me.
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And then kicking me, pounding on me. and i just remember thinking,
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Pounding on me. and i just remember thinking, "i'm going to die.
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And i just remember thinking, "i'm going to die. this is the day when
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"i'm going to die. this is the day when it's all going to end."
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This is the day when it's all going to end." and he walked out.
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It's all going to end." and he walked out. i think he went outside,
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And he walked out. i think he went outside, and i went over
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I think he went outside, and i went over and tried to call 911.
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And i went over and tried to call 911. and immediately, the call got
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And tried to call 911. and immediately, the call got disconnected, and i just knew.
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And immediately, the call got disconnected, and i just knew. and he told me.
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Disconnected, and i just knew. and he told me. he's like,
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And he told me. he's like, "you make them go away.
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He's like, "you make them go away. and if you don't
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"you make them go away. and if you don't make them go away,
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And if you don't make them go away, i'm gonna kill you,
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Make them go away, i'm gonna kill you, i'm gonna kill them,
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I'm gonna kill you, i'm gonna kill them, and then i'm gonna kill myself.
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I'm gonna kill them, and then i'm gonna kill myself. and i knew he was unstable
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Enough to do that.
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Enough to do that. so, he stood behind
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Enough to do that. so, he stood behind a door where he could
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So, he stood behind a door where he could see the front door,
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A door where he could see the front door, and he had a loaded
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See the front door, and he had a loaded rifle in his hand.
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And he had a loaded rifle in his hand. and he said,
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Rifle in his hand. and he said, "you make them go away."
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And he said, "you make them go away." and so, i just opened
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"you make them go away." and so, i just opened the door pretty much in terror,
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And so, i just opened the door pretty much in terror, and kind of fixed
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The door pretty much in terror, and kind of fixed my hair a little bit
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And kind of fixed my hair a little bit and opened the door.
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My hair a little bit and opened the door. and i just said,
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And opened the door. and i just said, "oh, i'm so sorry.
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And i just said, "oh, i'm so sorry. it must have been a mistake,"
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"oh, i'm so sorry. it must have been a mistake," and, "i apologize."
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It must have been a mistake," and, "i apologize." and they kind of looked
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And, "i apologize." and they kind of looked over my shoulder.
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And they kind of looked over my shoulder. they couldn't see
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Over my shoulder. they couldn't see the room where he had just
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They couldn't see the room where he had just chopped up all the furniture.
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The room where he had just chopped up all the furniture. and they said,
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Chopped up all the furniture. and they said, "what's going on out back?"
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And they said, "what's going on out back?" and i said, "oh, my husband's
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"what's going on out back?" and i said, "oh, my husband's just burning some trash
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And i said, "oh, my husband's just burning some trash or burning some stuff."
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Just burning some trash or burning some stuff." and that was it.
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Or burning some stuff." and that was it. and as i watched
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And that was it. and as i watched him drive away,
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And as i watched him drive away, i just remember thinking,
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Him drive away, i just remember thinking, "that was my chance."
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I just remember thinking, "that was my chance." >> ginger: yeah.
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"that was my chance." >> ginger: yeah. >> sandee jo: that was
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>> ginger: yeah. >> sandee jo: that was my chance.
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>> sandee jo: that was my chance. >> ginger: like you had to feel
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My chance. >> ginger: like you had to feel a bit, not just helpless,
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>> ginger: like you had to feel a bit, not just helpless, but like there is no answer.
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A bit, not just helpless, but like there is no answer. >> joyce: yeah.
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But like there is no answer. >> joyce: yeah. >> sandee jo: i felt very
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>> joyce: yeah. >> sandee jo: i felt very helpless at that moment.
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>> sandee jo: i felt very helpless at that moment. and then, of course,
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Helpless at that moment. and then, of course, just like you said,
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And then, of course, just like you said, i paid for that.
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Just like you said, i paid for that. you know, as a result
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I paid for that. you know, as a result of what i did, you know,
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You know, as a result of what i did, you know, i paid for that.
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Of what i did, you know, i paid for that. and the next day,
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I paid for that. and the next day, i had a black eye and i had
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And the next day, i had a black eye and i had to cover up all these marks.
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I had a black eye and i had to cover up all these marks. >> joyce: now, how did you
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To cover up all these marks. >> joyce: now, how did you hide all the bruises?
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>> joyce: now, how did you hide all the bruises? >> sandee jo: the main bruises
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Hide all the bruises? >> sandee jo: the main bruises that i had were on my body.
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>> sandee jo: the main bruises that i had were on my body. and because of the conservative
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That i had were on my body. and because of the conservative church that we belonged to,
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And because of the conservative church that we belonged to, it was very easy to hide.
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Church that we belonged to, it was very easy to hide. i wore long skirts,
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It was very easy to hide. i wore long skirts, and my arms were covered.
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I wore long skirts, and my arms were covered. so, he would usually--
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And my arms were covered. so, he would usually-- that's where i would
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So, he would usually-- that's where i would get the beatings were
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That's where i would get the beatings were on my arms and my body.
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Get the beatings were on my arms and my body. but every once in a while,
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On my arms and my body. but every once in a while, he would strike me in my face.
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But every once in a while, he would strike me in my face. and so, i had black eyes,
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He would strike me in my face. and so, i had black eyes, but that i would just
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And so, i had black eyes, but that i would just cover with makeup.
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But that i would just cover with makeup. and i remember that that
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Cover with makeup. and i remember that that particular occasion when
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And i remember that that particular occasion when i went to work the next day,
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Particular occasion when i went to work the next day, we had a school at the church.
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I went to work the next day, we had a school at the church. and i remember
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We had a school at the church. and i remember somebody saying,
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And i remember somebody saying, "what happened to your eye?"
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Somebody saying, "what happened to your eye?" and i just kind
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"what happened to your eye?" and i just kind of brushed it off.
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And i just kind of brushed it off. i don't even remember
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Of brushed it off. i don't even remember what i said, but i got very
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I don't even remember what i said, but i got very skilled at coming up with,
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What i said, but i got very skilled at coming up with, you know, accidents.
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Skilled at coming up with, you know, accidents. >> ginger: well, sandee jo's
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You know, accidents. >> ginger: well, sandee jo's book is called
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>> ginger: well, sandee jo's book is called "if walls could talk."
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Book is called "if walls could talk." and i think that the subtitle
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"if walls could talk." and i think that the subtitle is so poignant.
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And i think that the subtitle is so poignant. it's "the high price
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Is so poignant. it's "the high price of a picture-perfect family."
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It's "the high price of a picture-perfect family." and that really is,
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Of a picture-perfect family." and that really is, talking about how many
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And that really is, talking about how many christians are in a situation
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Talking about how many christians are in a situation where something terrible
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Christians are in a situation where something terrible is happening in their home
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Where something terrible is happening in their home that nobody knows about.
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Is happening in their home that nobody knows about. and we do hide so much
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That nobody knows about. and we do hide so much because of shame,
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And we do hide so much because of shame, because of embarrassment,
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Because of shame, because of embarrassment, because of fear,
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Because of embarrassment, because of fear, whatever it may be.
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Because of fear, whatever it may be. and you have to get very
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Whatever it may be. and you have to get very good at it after a while.
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>> sandee jo: unfortunately.
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>> sandee jo: unfortunately. >> ginger: it makes you wonder,
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>> sandee jo: unfortunately. >> ginger: it makes you wonder, you know, how many
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>> ginger: it makes you wonder, you know, how many people are suffering?
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You know, how many people are suffering? >> joyce: how did your
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People are suffering? >> joyce: how did your children respond to all this?
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>> joyce: how did your children respond to all this? >> sandee jo: so, growing up
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Children respond to all this? >> sandee jo: so, growing up that was all they knew, sadly.
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>> sandee jo: so, growing up that was all they knew, sadly. i remember my daughter
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That was all they knew, sadly. i remember my daughter telling me, years later,
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When i told her,
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When i told her, in the beginning, that i was
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When i told her, in the beginning, that i was gonna write the book,
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In the beginning, that i was gonna write the book, i remember her saying,
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Gonna write the book, i remember her saying, "you know, mom,
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I remember her saying, "you know, mom, this is all we ever knew."
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"you know, mom, this is all we ever knew." and i had never actually
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This is all we ever knew." and i had never actually thought about it.
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And i had never actually thought about it. she said, "you grew up with
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Thought about it. she said, "you grew up with gram," which is my mom.
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She said, "you grew up with gram," which is my mom. she's got a very
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Gram," which is my mom. she's got a very vibrant personality.
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She's got a very vibrant personality. love my mom.
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Vibrant personality. love my mom. she was the hostess
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Love my mom. she was the hostess for all the family parties.
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She was the hostess for all the family parties. and she said,
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For all the family parties. and she said, "you knew a different life."
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And she said, "you knew a different life." but she says,
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"you knew a different life." but she says, "this is all we ever knew."
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But she says, "this is all we ever knew." so, when the abuse ended
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"this is all we ever knew." so, when the abuse ended and their dad was dead
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So, when the abuse ended and their dad was dead and we moved on with
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And their dad was dead and we moved on with our life, they still had
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And we moved on with our life, they still had so many struggles.
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Our life, they still had so many struggles. they had all the emotional
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So many struggles. they had all the emotional trauma that you have to work
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They had all the emotional trauma that you have to work through and try to figure
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Trauma that you have to work through and try to figure out because they are kids
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Through and try to figure out because they are kids going through it, whereas,
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Out because they are kids going through it, whereas, i'm an adult going through it.
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Going through it, whereas, i'm an adult going through it. and i've had a different--
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I'm an adult going through it. and i've had a different-- i know that there's
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And i've had a different-- i know that there's a different life.
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I know that there's a different life. so, when she pointed
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A different life. so, when she pointed that out to me,
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So, when she pointed that out to me, i tried to be extra
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That out to me, i tried to be extra sensitive to that,
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I tried to be extra sensitive to that, to understand that
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Sensitive to that, to understand that i guess i had really hadn't
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To understand that i guess i had really hadn't thought of it like that,
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I guess i had really hadn't thought of it like that, but they've all had their own
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Thought of it like that, but they've all had their own individual journeys in life.
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But they've all had their own individual journeys in life. they've had to heal, you know,
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Individual journeys in life. they've had to heal, you know, what hurts me as a mom
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They've had to heal, you know, what hurts me as a mom is i can't heal for them.
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What hurts me as a mom is i can't heal for them. you know, it's been
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Is i can't heal for them. you know, it's been a lot for them.
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You know, it's been a lot for them. >> joyce: right.
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A lot for them. >> joyce: right. >> sandee jo: but i did explain
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>> joyce: right. >> sandee jo: but i did explain to them this is what
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>> sandee jo: but i did explain to them this is what i feel like i have to do
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To them this is what i feel like i have to do and i'll keep you guys out
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I feel like i have to do and i'll keep you guys out of it as much as i possibly can,
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And i'll keep you guys out of it as much as i possibly can, but you are part of the story.
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Of it as much as i possibly can, but you are part of the story. and so, as adult children,
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But you are part of the story. and so, as adult children, now grown, and i see that
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And so, as adult children, now grown, and i see that the struggles that they've had,
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Now grown, and i see that the struggles that they've had, it's why i tell other women,
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The struggles that they've had, it's why i tell other women, "i know you're afraid,
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It's why i tell other women, "i know you're afraid, but you have to get
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"i know you're afraid, but you have to get those kids and separate
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But you have to get those kids and separate yourself from the abuser
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Those kids and separate yourself from the abuser because you should be more
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Yourself from the abuser because you should be more afraid of what's going
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Because you should be more afraid of what's going to happen to them as adults
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Afraid of what's going to happen to them as adults when they're trying to heal
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To happen to them as adults when they're trying to heal and they're looking sometimes
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When they're trying to heal and they're looking sometimes at destructive paths to heal,
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And they're looking sometimes at destructive paths to heal, and they don't realize that,
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At destructive paths to heal, and they don't realize that, you know, that's not really
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And they don't realize that, you know, that's not really gonna heal them.
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You know, that's not really gonna heal them. that's going to hurt them."
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Gonna heal them. that's going to hurt them." >> ginger: well, and what
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That's going to hurt them." >> ginger: well, and what your family went through,
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>> ginger: well, and what your family went through, not even just
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Your family went through, not even just the physical abuse,
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Not even just the physical abuse, but the secrets
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The physical abuse, but the secrets and the spiritual
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But the secrets and the spiritual and emotional abuse,
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And the spiritual and emotional abuse, your husband would buy them
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And emotional abuse, your husband would buy them pets to kind of be the hero,
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Your husband would buy them pets to kind of be the hero, and then, at times,
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Pets to kind of be the hero, and then, at times, would kill their pets as well.
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And then, at times, would kill their pets as well. >> sandee jo: yes.
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Would kill their pets as well. >> sandee jo: yes. >> ginger: so, you look at what
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>> sandee jo: yes. >> ginger: so, you look at what a person goes through,
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>> ginger: so, you look at what a person goes through, and you just see the brokenness
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A person goes through, and you just see the brokenness that that must cause.
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And you just see the brokenness that that must cause. and yet, here you are,
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That that must cause. and yet, here you are, and god has done wonderful,
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And yet, here you are, and god has done wonderful, miraculous things.
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And god has done wonderful, miraculous things. and when you look at it from
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Miraculous things. and when you look at it from the outside, you would think,
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And when you look at it from the outside, you would think, "how did you survive?
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The outside, you would think, "how did you survive? how are you here
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"how did you survive? how are you here today to share this,
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How are you here today to share this, to help other people?"
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Today to share this, to help other people?" so, you had a relationship
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To help other people?" so, you had a relationship with christ.
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So, you had a relationship with christ. you were "a new christian,"
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With christ. you were "a new christian," as you said, going into this,
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You were "a new christian," as you said, going into this, but you said there was a time
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As you said, going into this, but you said there was a time that you just needed the word
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But you said there was a time that you just needed the word of god more than anything else.
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That you just needed the word of god more than anything else. like it was the only thing
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Of god more than anything else. like it was the only thing sustaining you.
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Like it was the only thing sustaining you. >> sandee jo: it was.
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>> announcer: you've lived
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>> announcer: you've lived long enough to know:
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Long enough to know: the day won't always
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The day won't always go as planned.
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Go as planned. but peace isn't found
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But peace isn't found in control.
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In control. it's found in quiet
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It's found in quiet moments with god.
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>> joyce: "beginning your day
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>> joyce: "beginning your day god's way" is a 365-day
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God's way" is a 365-day devotional to help you start
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Devotional to help you start your mornings with the truth
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Your mornings with the truth of god's word.
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Of god's word. when you begin your day rooted
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When you begin your day rooted in scripture, something
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In scripture, something powerful happens.
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Powerful happens. your thoughts
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Your thoughts start to change,
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Start to change, your emotions come
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Your emotions come into balance.
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Into balance. you begin
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You begin to respond to life,
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To respond to life, not just react
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Not just react to it.
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To it. and you'll find
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And you'll find yourself walking
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Yourself walking in more
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In more peace,
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Peace, wisdom,
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Wisdom, and joy
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And joy no matter
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No matter what comes
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What comes your way.
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Your way. each devotional includes
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Each devotional includes a scripture, a prayer,
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A scripture, a prayer, and a word
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And a word of encouragement
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Of encouragement to help you stay
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To help you stay focused on god's love
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Focused on god's love and direction
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And direction for your life.
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For your life. so, don't just get
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So, don't just get through your day;
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Through your day; live it on purpose.
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Live it on purpose. >> announcer: every day
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>> announcer: every day is a brand-new
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Is a brand-new opportunity for
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Opportunity for a fresh start with
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A fresh start with joyce's devotional
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Joyce's devotional "beginning your day
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"beginning your day god's way."
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God's way." it's available
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It's available to you, right now,
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To you, right now, for your gift
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For your gift of any amount.
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Of any amount. and when you give...
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And when you give... or more,
00:24:04.199 --> 00:24:05.967
Or more, you'll receive this
00:24:06.034 --> 00:24:06.535
You'll receive this "battlefield of the mind"
00:24:06.601 --> 00:24:07.369
"battlefield of the mind" tote bag filled with joyce's
00:24:07.435 --> 00:24:09.004
Tote bag filled with joyce's devotional and her book,
00:24:09.070 --> 00:24:10.372
Devotional and her book, "how to talk
00:24:10.438 --> 00:24:11.339
"how to talk with god," along with
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With god," along with the "everyday life bible"
00:24:12.507 --> 00:24:13.542
The "everyday life bible" and a couple other
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And a couple other fun surprises.
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Fun surprises. call us today at...
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Call us today at... or visit us online at:
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Or visit us online at: joycemeyer.org
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Joycemeyer.org to get your
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To get your devotional and begin
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Devotional and begin every day god's way.
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Every day god's way. >> joyce: every day
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>> joyce: every day is a new day to grow,
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Is a new day to grow, to trust in god,
00:24:28.123 --> 00:24:29.090
To trust in god, and to walk in peace.
00:24:29.157 --> 00:24:30.792
And to walk in peace. "beginning your day
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"beginning your day god's way" is a devotional
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God's way" is a devotional to help you align
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To help you align your thoughts
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Your thoughts and emotions
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And emotions with the truth
00:24:35.597 --> 00:24:36.431
With the truth of god's word before
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Of god's word before the day even begins.
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The day even begins. you'll be able to face
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You'll be able to face whatever the day
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Whatever the day holds with
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Holds with confidence and joy.
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Confidence and joy. you can begin each
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You can begin each day the right way.
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Day the right way. and remember,
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And remember, your gift,
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Your gift, along with gifts
00:24:48.143 --> 00:24:48.877
Along with gifts from the partners
00:24:48.944 --> 00:24:49.611
From the partners of joyce meyer ministries,
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Of joyce meyer ministries, are making a difference
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Are making a difference around the world,
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Around the world, by helping to share christ,
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By helping to share christ, provide food and medical
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Provide food and medical care to those in need,
00:24:56.451 --> 00:24:58.253
Care to those in need, and so much more.
00:24:58.320 --> 00:24:59.721
And so much more. "beginning your
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"beginning your day god's way"
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Day god's way" devotional helps
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Devotional helps you focus, grow,
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You focus, grow, and walk in peace
00:25:03.758 --> 00:25:04.759
And walk in peace one day at a time.
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One day at a time. and you can receive it for
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And you can receive it for your gift of any amount.
00:25:07.262 --> 00:25:09.230
Your gift of any amount. when you give...
00:25:09.297 --> 00:25:09.864
When you give... or more,
00:25:09.931 --> 00:25:11.299
Or more, you'll receive this
00:25:11.366 --> 00:25:12.334
You'll receive this "battlefield of the mind"
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:13.134
"battlefield of the mind" tote bag filled
00:25:13.201 --> 00:25:13.802
Tote bag filled with joyce's devotional
00:25:13.868 --> 00:25:15.070
With joyce's devotional and her book,
00:25:15.136 --> 00:25:16.304
And her book, "how to talk with god,"
00:25:16.371 --> 00:25:17.405
"how to talk with god," along with the "everyday
00:25:17.472 --> 00:25:19.074
Along with the "everyday life bible" and a couple
00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:19.908
Life bible" and a couple other fun surprises.
00:25:19.975 --> 00:25:21.910
Other fun surprises. call us today at...
00:25:21.977 --> 00:25:25.280
Call us today at... or visit us online at:
00:25:25.347 --> 00:25:26.815
Or visit us online at: joycemeyer.org
00:25:26.881 --> 00:25:27.916
Joycemeyer.org to get your devotional
00:25:27.983 --> 00:25:28.850
To get your devotional and watch how
00:25:28.917 --> 00:25:29.718
And watch how everything else begins
00:25:29.784 --> 00:25:30.885
Everything else begins to fall into place.
00:25:30.952 --> 00:25:33.722
>> joyce: well, rejection
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>> joyce: well, rejection is definitely painful.
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Is definitely painful. it's something we've all
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It's something we've all endured in one way or another.
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Endured in one way or another. >> ginger: our experiences
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>> ginger: our experiences may be different,
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May be different, but the damage is very real.
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But the damage is very real. whether it comes from
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Whether it comes from a stranger, a friend,
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A stranger, a friend, or someone we love,
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Or someone we love, rejection leaves us feeling
00:25:47.168 --> 00:25:48.903
Rejection leaves us feeling unwanted and wounded.
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Unwanted and wounded. >> joyce: we both know how
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>> joyce: we both know how devastating rejection can be.
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Devastating rejection can be. the good news is
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The good news is healing is possible.
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Healing is possible. >> ginger: m-hmm.
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>> ginger: m-hmm. >> joyce: that's why i invited
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>> joyce: that's why i invited ginger to write
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Ginger to write a very important
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A very important book with me,
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Book with me, "healing the wounds
00:26:00.348 --> 00:26:01.149
"healing the wounds of rejection."
00:26:01.216 --> 00:26:02.283
Of rejection." i believe now is the time
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I believe now is the time to overcome those
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To overcome those wounds and embrace
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Wounds and embrace our true identity in christ.
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Our true identity in christ. >> ginger: you may not
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>> ginger: you may not even realize the effects
00:26:08.189 --> 00:26:09.524
Even realize the effects of rejection on your life.
00:26:09.591 --> 00:26:10.659
Of rejection on your life. i know i didn't for a time.
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I know i didn't for a time. but you don't have
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But you don't have to remain stuck
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To remain stuck in the past or let what
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In the past or let what others have done
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Others have done define your worth.
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Define your worth. >> joyce: in our book,
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>> joyce: in our book, we share the truths that
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We share the truths that have helped both of us,
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And the things that
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And the things that we went through.
00:26:22.704 --> 00:26:23.171
We went through. >> ginger: and together,
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>> ginger: and together, we can all move
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We can all move forward with strength
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:25.707
Forward with strength and confidence.
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And confidence. >> announcer: "healing
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>> announcer: "healing the wounds of rejection"
00:26:28.143 --> 00:26:28.677
The wounds of rejection" by joyce meyer
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By joyce meyer and ginger stache,
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And ginger stache, request your copy today.
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>> ginger: real life.
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>> ginger: real life. real friends.
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Real friends. no pretense.
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No pretense. joyce meyer's
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Joyce meyer's talk it out podcast.
00:26:37.385 --> 00:26:39.387
Talk it out podcast. join joyce, erin cluley,
00:26:39.454 --> 00:26:41.289
Join joyce, erin cluley, and me, ginger stache,
00:26:41.356 --> 00:26:43.158
And me, ginger stache, along with some amazing friends,
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Along with some amazing friends, as we honestly share
00:26:45.427 --> 00:26:46.661
As we honestly share the hard stuff,
00:26:46.728 --> 00:26:47.495
The hard stuff, laugh through those
00:26:47.562 --> 00:26:48.563
Laugh through those unpredictable moments,
00:26:48.630 --> 00:26:50.331
Unpredictable moments, and learn to apply what
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And learn to apply what god says about it all.
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God says about it all. watch or listen to new
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Watch or listen to new episodes every other tuesday,
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Episodes every other tuesday, wherever you get your podcast.
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>> [♪♪]
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>> announcer: we hope you
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>> announcer: we hope you enjoyed today's program.
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Enjoyed today's program. we are so grateful
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We are so grateful to our joyce meyer
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To our joyce meyer ministries partners
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Ministries partners who make this
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Who make this and all we do possible,
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And all we do possible, including sharing
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Including sharing god's word
00:27:20.862 --> 00:27:21.796
God's word and offering help
00:27:21.863 --> 00:27:22.997
And offering help to people in need
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To people in need all over the world.
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Joyce Meyer - Escaping the Horrors of Domestic Violence (Part 1)

October 22, 2025 | 29:29

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