Joyce Meyer - Escaping the Horrors of Domestic Violence (Part 2)

October 23, 2025 | 29:29

What happens after surviving domestic abuse? Don’t miss this inspiring episode as Joyce, Ginger, Erin, and Sandee Jo Crocker share testimonies of courage, healing, and God’s redeeming love.

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Joyce Meyer: Enjoying Everyday Life | Joyce Meyer - Escaping the Horrors of Domestic Violence (Part 2) | October 23, 2025

>> ginger: when you look
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>> ginger: when you look at it from the outside,
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>> ginger: when you look at it from the outside, you would think,
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At it from the outside, you would think, “how did you survive?
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You would think, “how did you survive? how were you here today,
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“how did you survive? how were you here today, to share this to help
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How were you here today, to share this to help other people?”
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>> joyce: i do what i do
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>> joyce: i do what i do because i've seen god's power
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>> joyce: i do what i do because i've seen god's power transform my own life
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Because i've seen god's power transform my own life and he will do it for you.
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Transform my own life and he will do it for you. the key to everything
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And he will do it for you. the key to everything is found in god's word.
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The key to everything is found in god's word. i'm joyce meyer
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Is found in god's word. i'm joyce meyer and i believe that god can heal
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I'm joyce meyer and i believe that god can heal you everywhere you hurt.
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>> ginger: welcome to:
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>> ginger: welcome to: “enjoying everyday life”.
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>> ginger: welcome to: “enjoying everyday life”. you know, that's a simple
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“enjoying everyday life”. you know, that's a simple phrase, isn't it?
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You know, that's a simple phrase, isn't it? enjoying everyday life.
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Phrase, isn't it? enjoying everyday life. but it is possible.
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Enjoying everyday life. but it is possible. it can be exceptionally
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But it is possible. it can be exceptionally difficult to do, though,
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It can be exceptionally difficult to do, though, when times get tough.
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Sandee jo crocker is one woman
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Sandee jo crocker is one woman who endured extremely dark
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Sandee jo crocker is one woman who endured extremely dark times of domestic violence.
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Who endured extremely dark times of domestic violence. and she's now sharing
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Times of domestic violence. and she's now sharing her story of god's love
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And she's now sharing her story of god's love through it and his
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Her story of god's love through it and his restoration in her life.
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Through it and his restoration in her life. this is the second half
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Restoration in her life. this is the second half of this conversation from
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This is the second half of this conversation from our talk it out podcast,
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Of this conversation from our talk it out podcast, and it's a very important one.
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Our talk it out podcast, and it's a very important one. which, by the way, you might
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And it's a very important one. which, by the way, you might not want the little ears
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Which, by the way, you might not want the little ears in your life to listen
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Not want the little ears in your life to listen to this one.
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In your life to listen to this one. so right now, join joyce, erin,
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To this one. so right now, join joyce, erin, me, and sandee jo on the pink
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So right now, join joyce, erin, me, and sandee jo on the pink couch as we talk it out.
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>> sandee jo: what hurts
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>> sandee jo: what hurts me as a mom is i can't
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>> sandee jo: what hurts me as a mom is i can't heal for them.
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Me as a mom is i can't heal for them. you know, it's been
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Heal for them. you know, it's been a lot for them.
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You know, it's been a lot for them. >> joyce: right.
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A lot for them. >> joyce: right. >> sandee jo: but i did explain
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>> joyce: right. >> sandee jo: but i did explain to them this is what
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>> sandee jo: but i did explain to them this is what i feel like i have to do
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To them this is what i feel like i have to do and i'll keep you guys out
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I feel like i have to do and i'll keep you guys out of it as much as i possibly can,
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And i'll keep you guys out of it as much as i possibly can, but you are part of the story.
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Of it as much as i possibly can, but you are part of the story. and so, as adult children,
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But you are part of the story. and so, as adult children, now grown, and i see that
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And so, as adult children, now grown, and i see that the struggles that they've had,
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Now grown, and i see that the struggles that they've had, it's why i tell other women,
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The struggles that they've had, it's why i tell other women, "i know you're afraid,
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It's why i tell other women, "i know you're afraid, but you have to get
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"i know you're afraid, but you have to get those kids and separate
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But you have to get those kids and separate yourself from the abuser
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Those kids and separate yourself from the abuser because you should be more
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Yourself from the abuser because you should be more afraid of what's going
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Because you should be more afraid of what's going to happen to them as adults
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Afraid of what's going to happen to them as adults when they're trying to heal
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To happen to them as adults when they're trying to heal and they're looking sometimes
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When they're trying to heal and they're looking sometimes at destructive paths to heal,
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And they're looking sometimes at destructive paths to heal, and they don't realize that,
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At destructive paths to heal, and they don't realize that, you know, that's not really
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And they don't realize that, you know, that's not really gonna heal them.
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You know, that's not really gonna heal them. that's going to hurt them."
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Gonna heal them. that's going to hurt them." >> ginger: well, and what
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That's going to hurt them." >> ginger: well, and what your family went through,
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>> ginger: well, and what your family went through, not even just
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Your family went through, not even just the physical abuse,
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Not even just the physical abuse, but the secrets
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And the spiritual
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And the spiritual and emotional abuse,
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And the spiritual and emotional abuse, your husband would buy them
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And emotional abuse, your husband would buy them pets to kind of be the hero,
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Your husband would buy them pets to kind of be the hero, and then, at times,
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Pets to kind of be the hero, and then, at times, would kill their pets as well.
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And then, at times, would kill their pets as well. >> sandee jo: yes.
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Would kill their pets as well. >> sandee jo: yes. >> ginger: so, you look at what
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>> sandee jo: yes. >> ginger: so, you look at what a person goes through,
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>> ginger: so, you look at what a person goes through, and you just see the brokenness
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A person goes through, and you just see the brokenness that that must cause.
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And you just see the brokenness that that must cause. and yet, here you are,
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That that must cause. and yet, here you are, and god has done wonderful,
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And yet, here you are, and god has done wonderful, miraculous things.
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And god has done wonderful, miraculous things. and when you look at it from
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Miraculous things. and when you look at it from the outside, you would think,
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And when you look at it from the outside, you would think, "how did you survive?
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The outside, you would think, "how did you survive? how are you here
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"how did you survive? how are you here today to share this,
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How are you here today to share this, to help other people?"
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Today to share this, to help other people?" so, you had a relationship
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To help other people?" so, you had a relationship with christ.
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So, you had a relationship with christ. you were "a new christian,"
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With christ. you were "a new christian," as you said, going into this,
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You were "a new christian," as you said, going into this, but you said there was a time
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As you said, going into this, but you said there was a time that you just needed the word
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But you said there was a time that you just needed the word of god more than anything else.
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That you just needed the word of god more than anything else. like it was the only thing
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Of god more than anything else. like it was the only thing sustaining you.
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>> sandee jo: it was.
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>> sandee jo: it was. >> ginger: how did you make it?
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>> sandee jo: it was. >> ginger: how did you make it? how did you survive this?
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>> ginger: how did you make it? how did you survive this? >> sandee jo: just, you know,
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How did you survive this? >> sandee jo: just, you know, i got saved when i was 15,
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>> sandee jo: just, you know, i got saved when i was 15, but i wasn't discipled until
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I got saved when i was 15, but i wasn't discipled until i was 18 and married.
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But i wasn't discipled until i was 18 and married. and that was in the church
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With my father-in-law.
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With my father-in-law. and so, i was growing
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With my father-in-law. and so, i was growing and learning for the first
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And so, i was growing and learning for the first time as a christian.
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And learning for the first time as a christian. and i just remember
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Time as a christian. and i just remember that peace that i felt.
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And i just remember that peace that i felt. i remember how i felt.
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That peace that i felt. i remember how i felt. so, even in the midst of all
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I remember how i felt. so, even in the midst of all the chaos, i knew that
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So, even in the midst of all the chaos, i knew that i could depend on god.
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The chaos, i knew that i could depend on god. i knew that he was my best
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I could depend on god. i knew that he was my best friend and i just cried
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I knew that he was my best friend and i just cried out to him all the time.
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Friend and i just cried out to him all the time. a lot of those prayers were,
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Out to him all the time. a lot of those prayers were, "god, please keep us safe.
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A lot of those prayers were, "god, please keep us safe. please get me
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"god, please keep us safe. please get me and my kids out safely."
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Please get me and my kids out safely." and i can remember
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And my kids out safely." and i can remember praying that for years.
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And i can remember praying that for years. and there were times where
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Praying that for years. and there were times where i thought, "god, why aren't
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And there were times where i thought, "god, why aren't you changing things?"
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I thought, "god, why aren't you changing things?" like, "i've prayed for my
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You changing things?" like, "i've prayed for my husband now for five years,
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Like, "i've prayed for my husband now for five years, six years, seven years,
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Husband now for five years, six years, seven years, and he's not changing."
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Six years, seven years, and he's not changing." but i just never lost
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And he's not changing." but i just never lost the ability to communicate
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But i just never lost the ability to communicate with god.
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The ability to communicate with god. and i'm thankful for that.
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With god. and i'm thankful for that. and even just the whole
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And i'm thankful for that. and even just the whole healing process is just
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And even just the whole healing process is just maintaining my friendship
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Healing process is just maintaining my friendship and my relationship with jesus
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Maintaining my friendship and my relationship with jesus christ, because he actually
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And my relationship with jesus christ, because he actually is the best healer, the best
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Christ, because he actually is the best healer, the best therapist, the best counselor.
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Is the best healer, the best therapist, the best counselor. and i've been to many.
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Therapist, the best counselor. and i've been to many. and i just know getting
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And i've been to many. and i just know getting on my bike and talking to god
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And i just know getting on my bike and talking to god in the morning is what
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On my bike and talking to god in the morning is what heals me and what makes
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In the morning is what heals me and what makes me feel healed.
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Heals me and what makes me feel healed. >> erin: it's amazing
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Me feel healed. >> erin: it's amazing to hear when you share,
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>> erin: it's amazing to hear when you share, you said your father-in-law
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To hear when you share, you said your father-in-law is who discipled you.
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So, that's your
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So, that's your husband's father...
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So, that's your husband's father... >> sandee jo: my husband's
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Husband's father... >> sandee jo: my husband's father.
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>> sandee jo: my husband's father. >> erin: your story
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Father. >> erin: your story is so complex and there's
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>> erin: your story is so complex and there's so many things that you
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Is so complex and there's so many things that you could get hung up on,
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So many things that you could get hung up on, but yet, jesus is faithful
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In the middle of all of it.
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In the middle of all of it. and you haven't lost him in it.
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In the middle of all of it. and you haven't lost him in it. i think that's so amazing.
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And you haven't lost him in it. i think that's so amazing. you know, the verse in daniel
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I think that's so amazing. you know, the verse in daniel where shadrach, meshach,
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You know, the verse in daniel where shadrach, meshach, and abednego get thrown into
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Where shadrach, meshach, and abednego get thrown into the furnace and they come out
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And abednego get thrown into the furnace and they come out and they don't smell like smoke.
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The furnace and they come out and they don't smell like smoke. as i was talking to you
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And they don't smell like smoke. as i was talking to you earlier this morning,
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As i was talking to you earlier this morning, i thought, "you would just never
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Earlier this morning, i thought, "you would just never know what she's been through
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I thought, "you would just never know what she's been through because all that i see is jesus
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Know what she's been through because all that i see is jesus pouring out of you."
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Because all that i see is jesus pouring out of you." it is so beautiful to see what
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Pouring out of you." it is so beautiful to see what he has carried you through
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And how just beautiful you are.
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And how just beautiful you are. >> ginger: without smelling
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And how just beautiful you are. >> ginger: without smelling like smoke.
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>> ginger: without smelling like smoke. >> erin: without smelling
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Like smoke. >> erin: without smelling like smoke.
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>> erin: without smelling like smoke. >> joyce: and there was a fourth
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Like smoke. >> joyce: and there was a fourth man in that furnace with him.
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>> joyce: and there was a fourth man in that furnace with him. >> ladies: yeah.
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Man in that furnace with him. >> ladies: yeah. >> erin: oh, i love that story.
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>> ladies: yeah. >> erin: oh, i love that story. >> sandee jo: thank you.
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>> erin: oh, i love that story. >> sandee jo: thank you. that's so true.
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>> sandee jo: thank you. that's so true. >> joyce: i prayed
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That's so true. >> joyce: i prayed for god to get me out
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>> joyce: i prayed for god to get me out of the situation that i was in.
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For god to get me out of the situation that i was in. i prayed things i probably
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Of the situation that i was in. i prayed things i probably shouldn't have prayed.
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I prayed things i probably shouldn't have prayed. i prayed for my dad to die.
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Shouldn't have prayed. i prayed for my dad to die. i prayed my mother
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I prayed for my dad to die. i prayed my mother to leave him, and god
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I prayed my mother to leave him, and god did not get me out of it.
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To leave him, and god did not get me out of it. my dad lived to be 86,
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Did not get me out of it. my dad lived to be 86, but he did get me through it.
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My dad lived to be 86, but he did get me through it. and i do believe that if that's
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The route that it takes,
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The route that it takes, that then god will
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The route that it takes, that then god will always use that
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That then god will always use that to help other people.
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Always use that to help other people. hebrews 5, i think it is,
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To help other people. hebrews 5, i think it is, 8 and 9 says that "jesus got
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Hebrews 5, i think it is, 8 and 9 says that "jesus got experience from the things
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8 and 9 says that "jesus got experience from the things that he suffered" and that
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Experience from the things that he suffered" and that "that experience equipped
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That he suffered" and that "that experience equipped him to become the author
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"that experience equipped him to become the author and the source of our
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Him to become the author and the source of our salvation."
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And the source of our salvation." and so, sometimes, you don't--
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I mean, i would not know--
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I mean, i would not know-- i would not know how you
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I mean, i would not know-- i would not know how you feel right now if i would
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I would not know how you feel right now if i would have had this, you know,
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Feel right now if i would have had this, you know, lovely little life with no pain.
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Have had this, you know, lovely little life with no pain. but i get people with pain.
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Lovely little life with no pain. but i get people with pain. i get what it goes
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But i get people with pain. i get what it goes through for healing.
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I get what it goes through for healing. and people will receive
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Through for healing. and people will receive that same thing from you.
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And people will receive that same thing from you. they'll know that--
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That same thing from you. they'll know that-- >> sandee jo: and it shows.
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They'll know that-- >> sandee jo: and it shows. when you get up and you
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>> sandee jo: and it shows. when you get up and you speak to so many people,
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When you get up and you speak to so many people, and i know this because
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Speak to so many people, and i know this because i am one of those people
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And i know this because i am one of those people on the receiving end
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I am one of those people on the receiving end of your ministry.
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On the receiving end of your ministry. so, when you get up
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Of your ministry. so, when you get up and you speak
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So, when you get up and you speak to so many people,
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And you speak to so many people, and i'm sitting there listening,
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To so many people, and i'm sitting there listening, there have been many times
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And i'm sitting there listening, there have been many times where i'm just sitting
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There have been many times where i'm just sitting on the couch crying
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Where i'm just sitting on the couch crying because i can relate
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On the couch crying because i can relate to what you're saying.
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Because i can relate to what you're saying. and had you not been faithful
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To what you're saying. and had you not been faithful enough and stood up there,
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And had you not been faithful enough and stood up there, and it probably wasn't
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Enough and stood up there, and it probably wasn't easy in the beginning
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And it probably wasn't easy in the beginning to tell your story,
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Easy in the beginning to tell your story, especially like you said,
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To tell your story, especially like you said, "it wasn't talked about then."
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Especially like you said, "it wasn't talked about then." >> joyce: my mother said
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"it wasn't talked about then." >> joyce: my mother said the reason why she never
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>> joyce: my mother said the reason why she never left my dad was because she
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The reason why she never left my dad was because she couldn't face the scandal.
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Left my dad was because she couldn't face the scandal. you know, abuse, especially
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Couldn't face the scandal. you know, abuse, especially sexual abuse then, you just--
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You know, abuse, especially sexual abuse then, you just-- nobody--you never heard
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Sexual abuse then, you just-- nobody--you never heard of such a thing, you know,
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Nobody--you never heard of such a thing, you know, and the thing that
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Of such a thing, you know, and the thing that i think is so hard, too,
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And the thing that i think is so hard, too, when you're in a situation
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I think is so hard, too, when you're in a situation like you were in or like
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When you're in a situation like you were in or like i was in, i always was having
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Like you were in or like i was in, i always was having to make excuses for things.
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I was in, i always was having to make excuses for things. why i couldn't
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To make excuses for things. why i couldn't go to the school dance.
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Why i couldn't go to the school dance. why i couldn't go to the party.
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Go to the school dance. why i couldn't go to the party. why, you know, why i couldn't--
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Why i couldn't go to the party. why, you know, why i couldn't-- >> sandee jo: have friends over.
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Why, you know, why i couldn't-- >> sandee jo: have friends over. >> joyce: why i didn't
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>> sandee jo: have friends over. >> joyce: why i didn't get a class ring.
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>> joyce: why i didn't get a class ring. why--
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Get a class ring. why-- you know, because my dad
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Why-- you know, because my dad was not only abusive;
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You know, because my dad was not only abusive; he was just downright mean,
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Was not only abusive; he was just downright mean, just mean.
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He was just downright mean, just mean. so, you always feel like
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Just mean. so, you always feel like you're hiding and trying
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So, you always feel like you're hiding and trying to make up excuses for things,
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You're hiding and trying to make up excuses for things, and you feel very alone.
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To make up excuses for things, and you feel very alone. because you're really,
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And you feel very alone. because you're really, you're in this story
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Because you're really, you're in this story by yourself,
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You're in this story by yourself, and nobody knows
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By yourself, and nobody knows what's going on but you.
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And nobody knows what's going on but you. >> sandee jo: and, i think,
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What's going on but you. >> sandee jo: and, i think, when you say that, it's just--
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>> sandee jo: and, i think, when you say that, it's just-- it's so true.
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When you say that, it's just-- it's so true. a lot of times when people say,
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It's so true. a lot of times when people say, "what would you tell
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A lot of times when people say, "what would you tell other women?"
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You know, "what would you tell
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You know, "what would you tell other people who are going--?"
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You know, "what would you tell other people who are going--?" i--it does happen to men.
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Other people who are going--?" i--it does happen to men. i--from my perspective,
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I--it does happen to men. i--from my perspective, i lived it.
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I--from my perspective, i lived it. obviously, i'm a woman.
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I lived it. obviously, i'm a woman. and so, i share
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Obviously, i'm a woman. and so, i share a lot with women.
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And so, i share a lot with women. but, you know, i say,
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A lot with women. but, you know, i say, "first of all,
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But, you know, i say, "first of all, i want you to know
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"first of all, i want you to know you're not alone,"
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I want you to know you're not alone," because just like you said,
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For so many years,
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For so many years, i thought, "i'm the only
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For so many years, i thought, "i'm the only one going through this."
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I thought, "i'm the only one going through this." part of that was because i was
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One going through this." part of that was because i was so young when i got married.
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Part of that was because i was so young when i got married. i was very naive.
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So young when i got married. i was very naive. i didn't realize that there
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I was very naive. i didn't realize that there were even domestic violence
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I didn't realize that there were even domestic violence shelters, you know.
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Were even domestic violence shelters, you know. >> joyce: yeah, i thought i was
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Shelters, you know. >> joyce: yeah, i thought i was the only person in the whole
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>> joyce: yeah, i thought i was the only person in the whole world that was happening to.
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The only person in the whole world that was happening to. >> sandee jo: yeah, and that's
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World that was happening to. >> sandee jo: yeah, and that's exactly how i thought.
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>> sandee jo: yeah, and that's exactly how i thought. when i would sit in church,
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Exactly how i thought. when i would sit in church, and i'd see other families,
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When i would sit in church, and i'd see other families, and, you know, i just felt
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And i'd see other families, and, you know, i just felt like i was the only one.
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And, you know, i just felt like i was the only one. so, i would tell them,
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Like i was the only one. so, i would tell them, "you're not alone
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So, i would tell them, "you're not alone and you have to tell someone."
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"you're not alone and you have to tell someone." that's the second thing:
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And you have to tell someone." that's the second thing: you have to tell someone.
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That's the second thing: you have to tell someone. because something
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You have to tell someone. because something about telling--
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Because something about telling-- i never told.
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About telling-- i never told. and something about keeping
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I never told. and something about keeping that such a secret,
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And something about keeping that such a secret, it kind of perpetuates
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That such a secret, it kind of perpetuates the control.
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It kind of perpetuates the control. and so, i just continued
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The control. and so, i just continued to live with him controlling
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And so, i just continued to live with him controlling me and me keeping it a secret.
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To live with him controlling me and me keeping it a secret. and even like you mentioned,
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Me and me keeping it a secret. and even like you mentioned, the pets, you know,
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And even like you mentioned, the pets, you know, he would just love
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The pets, you know, he would just love to buy the family a new pet.
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He would just love to buy the family a new pet. and then, as soon as,
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To buy the family a new pet. and then, as soon as, the dog started to bark,
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And then, as soon as, the dog started to bark, or the dog wet on the floor,
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The dog started to bark, or the dog wet on the floor, or just for punishment,
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Or the dog wet on the floor, or just for punishment, because they did
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Or just for punishment, because they did something wrong,
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Because they did something wrong, or you know, then now
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Something wrong, or you know, then now he would kill the pet.
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Or you know, then now he would kill the pet. and to a kid,
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He would kill the pet. and to a kid, you know, to anyone,
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And to a kid, you know, to anyone, but to a child is just,
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You know, to anyone, but to a child is just, it is very devastating.
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But to a child is just, it is very devastating. so, just watching
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It is very devastating. so, just watching that over the years.
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So, just watching that over the years. so, i would tell them--
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That over the years. so, i would tell them-- i like to tell women,
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So, i would tell them-- i like to tell women, "you're not alone."
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I like to tell women, "you're not alone." "you have to tell someone,
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"you're not alone." "you have to tell someone, and--find that trusted person."
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"you have to tell someone, and--find that trusted person." and then, "you have to remove
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And--find that trusted person." and then, "you have to remove yourself from that abuser."
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And then, "you have to remove yourself from that abuser." >> joyce: so, what do you
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Yourself from that abuser." >> joyce: so, what do you think was wrong with him?
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>> joyce: so, what do you think was wrong with him? do you think he had
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Think was wrong with him? do you think he had a mental disorder?
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Do you think he had a mental disorder? do you--
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A mental disorder? do you-- where did--
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Do you-- where did-- how did he get so mean?
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Where did-- how did he get so mean? i honestly, i've thought of this
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How did he get so mean? i honestly, i've thought of this for so long, and i don't know.
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I honestly, i've thought of this for so long, and i don't know. he came from a wonderful family.
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For so long, and i don't know. he came from a wonderful family. and to this day,
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He came from a wonderful family. and to this day, i have wonderful--
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And to this day, i have wonderful-- well, former in-laws,
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I have wonderful-- well, former in-laws, godly in-laws.
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Well, former in-laws, godly in-laws. i don't know where
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Godly in-laws. i don't know where his challenges came from.
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I don't know where his challenges came from. but he--
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His challenges came from. but he-- and i can't just say
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But he-- and i can't just say it was all the alcohol,
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And i can't just say it was all the alcohol, because he was mean
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It was all the alcohol, because he was mean before he started drinking.
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Because he was mean before he started drinking. he'd only started drinking
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Before he started drinking. he'd only started drinking the last two or three years
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He'd only started drinking the last two or three years of our marriage.
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The last two or three years of our marriage. and of course,
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Of our marriage. and of course, by that time, he was
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And of course, by that time, he was on medication for his bipolar.
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By that time, he was on medication for his bipolar. so, he was diagnosed
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On medication for his bipolar. so, he was diagnosed with bipolar.
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So, he was diagnosed with bipolar. >> joyce: so, he was bipolar.
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With bipolar. >> joyce: so, he was bipolar. >> sandee jo: he--
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>> joyce: so, he was bipolar. >> sandee jo: he-- you know, after years,
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>> sandee jo: he-- you know, after years, he finally went
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You know, after years, he finally went and got this diagnosis.
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He finally went and got this diagnosis. but that--
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And got this diagnosis. but that-- >> joyce: did that help him
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But that-- >> joyce: did that help him at all, the medication?
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>> joyce: did that help him at all, the medication? >> sandee jo: the medication
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At all, the medication? >> sandee jo: the medication sometimes helped,
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>> sandee jo: the medication sometimes helped, and sometimes
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Sometimes helped, and sometimes it didn't help.
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And sometimes it didn't help. there were days where
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It didn't help. there were days where i thought, "oh, wow,
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There were days where i thought, "oh, wow, it seems to be helping."
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I thought, "oh, wow, it seems to be helping." and then the next day,
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It seems to be helping." and then the next day, we were right back to,
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And then the next day, we were right back to, you know, the same behavior.
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We were right back to, you know, the same behavior. but i just know that when
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You know, the same behavior. but i just know that when he did get the diagnosis,
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But i just know that when he did get the diagnosis, what happened at that
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He did get the diagnosis, what happened at that point was pretty much,
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What happened at that point was pretty much, "well, i can't help it."
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Point was pretty much, "well, i can't help it." so, whereas, before,
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"well, i can't help it." so, whereas, before, when he would apologize--
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So, whereas, before, when he would apologize-- >> joyce: now, it becomes
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When he would apologize-- >> joyce: now, it becomes an excuse.
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>> joyce: now, it becomes an excuse. >> sandee jo: yeah.
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An excuse. >> sandee jo: yeah. so, he would apologize before.
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>> sandee jo: yeah. so, he would apologize before. "i'm so sorry.
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So, he would apologize before. "i'm so sorry. i shouldn't have done that."
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"i'm so sorry. i shouldn't have done that." but now it was just like,
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I shouldn't have done that." but now it was just like, "well, that's just who i am;
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But now it was just like, "well, that's just who i am; you heard the doctor,"
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"well, that's just who i am; you heard the doctor," you know.
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You heard the doctor," you know. and so, then, it was like, for
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You know. and so, then, it was like, for years i just accepted, "okay,
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And so, then, it was like, for years i just accepted, "okay, well, he's got this disease."
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Years i just accepted, "okay, well, he's got this disease." and, again, we didn't really
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Well, he's got this disease." and, again, we didn't really know what bipolar was,
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And, again, we didn't really know what bipolar was, back then.
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Know what bipolar was, back then. this is like the early '90s.
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Back then. this is like the early '90s. and so, now, we hear about
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This is like the early '90s. and so, now, we hear about it a lot, but then, we didn't.
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And so, now, we hear about it a lot, but then, we didn't. so, i was kind
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It a lot, but then, we didn't. so, i was kind of like accepting,
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So, i was kind of like accepting, "okay, he's got this diagnosis,"
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Of like accepting, "okay, he's got this diagnosis," but then, he just kind
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"okay, he's got this diagnosis," but then, he just kind of wore it like a badge.
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But then, he just kind of wore it like a badge. like, "you can't
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Of wore it like a badge. like, "you can't do anything about it.
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Like, "you can't do anything about it. this is how i am,
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Do anything about it. this is how i am, and this is, you know,
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This is how i am, and this is, you know, what the doctors say."
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And this is, you know, what the doctors say." and so, it was a mental illness,
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What the doctors say." and so, it was a mental illness, but it was also
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And so, it was a mental illness, but it was also he could control.
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But it was also he could control. he could control when
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He could control. he could control when he lost his temper,
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He could control when he lost his temper, when he wanted to be nice
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He lost his temper, when he wanted to be nice and charming to people,
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When he wanted to be nice and charming to people, in the foyer after church
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And charming to people, in the foyer after church if he wanted to talk.
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In the foyer after church if he wanted to talk. and, you know, he did.
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If he wanted to talk. and, you know, he did. but the minute
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And, you know, he did. but the minute we got in the car,
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But the minute we got in the car, he was a different person.
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We got in the car, he was a different person. >> joyce: so, therefore,
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He was a different person. >> joyce: so, therefore, he could control himself.
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>> joyce: so, therefore, he could control himself. >> sandee jo: he could control.
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He could control himself. >> sandee jo: he could control. >> joyce: it wasn't--
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>> sandee jo: he could control. >> joyce: it wasn't-- so, he could have controlled
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>> joyce: it wasn't-- so, he could have controlled himself at home too.
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So, he could have controlled himself at home too. >> sandee jo: and that's why
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Himself at home too. >> sandee jo: and that's why i hesitate with, you know,
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>> sandee jo: and that's why i hesitate with, you know, the bipolar and the mental ill--
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I hesitate with, you know, the bipolar and the mental ill-- i really don't know because
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The bipolar and the mental ill-- i really don't know because he had so much control
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I really don't know because he had so much control over this so-called
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He had so much control over this so-called uncontrollable behavior.
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Over this so-called uncontrollable behavior. >> joyce: yeah.
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Uncontrollable behavior. >> joyce: yeah. >> sandee jo: so, that's what
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>> joyce: yeah. >> sandee jo: so, that's what makes me wonder.
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>> sandee jo: so, that's what makes me wonder. >> ginger: yeah.
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Makes me wonder. >> ginger: yeah. take us to that day
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>> ginger: yeah. take us to that day where it got so bad,
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Take us to that day where it got so bad, everything came to a head.
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Where it got so bad, everything came to a head. your husband had been violent
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Everything came to a head. your husband had been violent for hours during this day,
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Your husband had been violent for hours during this day, just fighting with your
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For hours during this day, just fighting with your son and really you
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Just fighting with your son and really you trying to protect him,
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Son and really you trying to protect him, and the entire
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Trying to protect him, and the entire family being afraid,
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And the entire family being afraid, and it coming to such
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Family being afraid, and it coming to such a fever pitch that your
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And it coming to such a fever pitch that your son felt he had no other
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A fever pitch that your son felt he had no other option than what happened.
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Son felt he had no other option than what happened. with that event, just tell us
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Option than what happened. with that event, just tell us how that felt, and how your
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With that event, just tell us how that felt, and how your life changed after that.
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How that felt, and how your life changed after that. >> sandee jo: well, that
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Life changed after that. >> sandee jo: well, that was good friday, 2008.
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And i remember sitting
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And i remember sitting on the couch that morning,
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And i remember sitting on the couch that morning, i was reading to our
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On the couch that morning, i was reading to our nine-year-old daughter,
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I was reading to our nine-year-old daughter, from a bible book that she had,
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Nine-year-old daughter, from a bible book that she had, and i just heard glass shatter.
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From a bible book that she had, and i just heard glass shatter. and this was not an uncommon
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And i just heard glass shatter. and this was not an uncommon noise in our house, you know,
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But i knew it was different.
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But i knew it was different. immediately after
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But i knew it was different. immediately after i heard the glass shatter,
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Immediately after i heard the glass shatter, i heard footsteps running
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I heard the glass shatter, i heard footsteps running up the stairs from the basement.
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I heard footsteps running up the stairs from the basement. and then, my son goes
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Up the stairs from the basement. and then, my son goes flying out the front door,
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And then, my son goes flying out the front door, and his dad is right behind him.
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Flying out the front door, and his dad is right behind him. and i just knew something
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And his dad is right behind him. and i just knew something bad was going on.
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And i just knew something bad was going on. he had started drinking around
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Bad was going on. he had started drinking around nine o'clock that morning,
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He had started drinking around nine o'clock that morning, which, again, was not uncommon.
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Nine o'clock that morning, which, again, was not uncommon. so, i raced behind both of them,
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Which, again, was not uncommon. so, i raced behind both of them, and i just tried
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So, i raced behind both of them, and i just tried to keep them separated.
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And i just tried to keep them separated. this went on for hours.
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To keep them separated. this went on for hours. it literally did.
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This went on for hours. it literally did. and then, finally,
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It literally did. and then, finally, my son left the house and he--
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And then, finally, my son left the house and he-- because i kept yelling to him,
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My son left the house and he-- because i kept yelling to him, "just leave, just leave,
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Because i kept yelling to him, "just leave, just leave, get away," because i knew
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"just leave, just leave, get away," because i knew he was the target that day.
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Get away," because i knew he was the target that day. it was either--
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He was the target that day. it was either-- most times, it was either
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It was either-- most times, it was either our oldest son or myself.
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Most times, it was either our oldest son or myself. that was the target.
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Our oldest son or myself. that was the target. and that day it was
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That was the target. and that day it was definitely him.
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And that day it was definitely him. and so, i kept hollering,
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Definitely him. and so, i kept hollering, "leave, just leave."
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And so, i kept hollering, "leave, just leave." he wouldn't leave.
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"leave, just leave." he wouldn't leave. finally, he did.
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He wouldn't leave. finally, he did. he ran to a neighbor's house.
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Finally, he did. he ran to a neighbor's house. >> ginger: and he was telling
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He ran to a neighbor's house. >> ginger: and he was telling him he was going to kill him,
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>> ginger: and he was telling him he was going to kill him, right?
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Him he was going to kill him, right? >> sandee jo: oh, yeah.
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Right? >> sandee jo: oh, yeah. he was saying terrible
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>> sandee jo: oh, yeah. he was saying terrible things to him.
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"i'm gonna kill you.
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"i'm gonna kill you. i'm just--"
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"i'm gonna kill you. i'm just--" you know, i write about
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I'm just--" you know, i write about it in the book.
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You know, i write about it in the book. it's just a lot of very
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It in the book. it's just a lot of very horrible things.
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It's just a lot of very horrible things. and to hear that as a mom.
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Horrible things. and to hear that as a mom. and i knew that if he got his
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And to hear that as a mom. and i knew that if he got his hands on our son, on my son,
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And i knew that if he got his hands on our son, on my son, that something, you know,
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Hands on our son, on my son, that something, you know, somebody was going to die.
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That something, you know, somebody was going to die. and i remember thinking,
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Somebody was going to die. and i remember thinking, it's gonna be me because i'm not
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And i remember thinking, it's gonna be me because i'm not going to let him kill my son.
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It's gonna be me because i'm not going to let him kill my son. so, he finally ran away,
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Going to let him kill my son. so, he finally ran away, and i got my husband
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So, he finally ran away, and i got my husband settled down.
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And i got my husband settled down. and he was finally like,
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Settled down. and he was finally like, you know--
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And he was finally like, you know-- usually after he drank a lot,
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He would pass out.
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He would pass out. he would just get so sleepy,
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He would pass out. he would just get so sleepy, and he would go.
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He would just get so sleepy, and he would go. and i kept thinking,
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And he would go. and i kept thinking, "ok, he's gotta be wearing--"
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And i kept thinking, "ok, he's gotta be wearing--" you know, "this has
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"ok, he's gotta be wearing--" you know, "this has gotta be wearing off."
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You know, "this has gotta be wearing off." and i thought that's
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Gotta be wearing off." and i thought that's what was gonna happen.
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And i thought that's what was gonna happen. my son came back
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What was gonna happen. my son came back home and i'm like,
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My son came back home and i'm like, "no, you cannot be here.
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Home and i'm like, "no, you cannot be here. your dad is still enraged.
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"no, you cannot be here. your dad is still enraged. he's still upset."
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Your dad is still enraged. he's still upset." and he's like,
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He's still upset." and he's like, "well, where is he?"
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And he's like, "well, where is he?" i'm like, "he's in his room.
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"well, where is he?" i'm like, "he's in his room. he's laying down,
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I'm like, "he's in his room. he's laying down, but he is not asleep.
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He's laying down, but he is not asleep. you have to go."
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But he is not asleep. you have to go." and we just went back
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You have to go." and we just went back and forth, and he just
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And we just went back and forth, and he just looked at me and he says,
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And forth, and he just looked at me and he says, "mom, i'm not leaving again."
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Looked at me and he says, "mom, i'm not leaving again." and i knew when i looked
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"mom, i'm not leaving again." and i knew when i looked in his eyes, and when i saw
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And i knew when i looked in his eyes, and when i saw him say that, i knew there
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In his eyes, and when i saw him say that, i knew there was no changing his mind.
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Him say that, i knew there was no changing his mind. he said, "i'm not leaving
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Was no changing his mind. he said, "i'm not leaving you and the kids again."
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He said, "i'm not leaving you and the kids again." >> ginger: he was worried
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You and the kids again." >> ginger: he was worried about you guys.
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>> ginger: he was worried about you guys. >> sandee jo: yes.
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About you guys. >> sandee jo: yes. and with that, he came
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>> sandee jo: yes. and with that, he came into the house.
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And with that, he came into the house. and i knew the minute
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Into the house. and i knew the minute that he came in,
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And i knew the minute that he came in, and i knew my husband was
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That he came in, and i knew my husband was not asleep and that when
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And i knew my husband was not asleep and that when he heard him come in,
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Not asleep and that when he heard him come in, that it was gonna be,
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He heard him come in, that it was gonna be, you know, it was gonna
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That it was gonna be, you know, it was gonna start all over again.
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You know, it was gonna start all over again. but i went downstairs
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Start all over again. but i went downstairs to the basement,
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But i went downstairs to the basement, and i tried to get
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To the basement, and i tried to get the other kids to go out.
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And i tried to get the other kids to go out. i just tried to get them
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The other kids to go out. i just tried to get them out of the house.
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I just tried to get them out of the house. i didn't want them
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Out of the house. i didn't want them to be in the house.
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I didn't want them to be in the house. and again, i thought i was gonna
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To be in the house. and again, i thought i was gonna be the one that died that day.
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And again, i thought i was gonna be the one that died that day. and so, when they're crying
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Be the one that died that day. and so, when they're crying and they're really upset,
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And so, when they're crying and they're really upset, and i'm just like,
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And they're really upset, and i'm just like, "go to the woods don't
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And i'm just like, "go to the woods don't come back for a long time."
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"go to the woods don't come back for a long time." and then, i think they
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Come back for a long time." and then, i think they hid in their dad's truck
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And then, i think they hid in their dad's truck for a little while.
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Hid in their dad's truck for a little while. and i turned,
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For a little while. and i turned, and then my husband--
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And i turned, and then my husband-- my son comes out
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And then my husband-- my son comes out and he's got a gun beside him.
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My son comes out and he's got a gun beside him. and i just remember thinking,
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And he's got a gun beside him. and i just remember thinking, "okay, good," you know,
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And i just remember thinking, "okay, good," you know, "keep that, because that,
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"okay, good," you know, "keep that, because that, you know, will scare your dad."
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"keep that, because that, you know, will scare your dad." and then, that's when
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You know, will scare your dad." and then, that's when he looked at me,
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And then, that's when he looked at me, and he shook his head,
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He looked at me, and he shook his head, and he said, "mom,"
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And he shook his head, and he said, "mom," he said, "dad's dead."
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And he said, "mom," he said, "dad's dead." and then, he told
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He said, "dad's dead." and then, he told me that he shot him.
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And then, he told me that he shot him. and for whatever reason,
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Me that he shot him. and for whatever reason, i couldn't process that.
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And for whatever reason, i couldn't process that. i just always thought
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I couldn't process that. i just always thought that he was so much
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I just always thought that he was so much bigger than, you know,
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That he was so much bigger than, you know, anything, even a bullet.
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Bigger than, you know, anything, even a bullet. like, he was like this monster.
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Anything, even a bullet. like, he was like this monster. he would turn into a monster,
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Like, he was like this monster. he would turn into a monster, literally, when he was raging.
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He would turn into a monster, literally, when he was raging. and so, it literally took
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Literally, when he was raging. and so, it literally took me going inside the house
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And so, it literally took me going inside the house to realize that he's not alive.
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Me going inside the house to realize that he's not alive. and in that moment,
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To realize that he's not alive. and in that moment, i realized, first of all,
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And in that moment, i realized, first of all, i was no longer afraid.
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I realized, first of all, i was no longer afraid. and that's a very strange
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I was no longer afraid. and that's a very strange feeling to have been
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And that's a very strange feeling to have been afraid for so many years.
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Feeling to have been afraid for so many years. and then, to realize that
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Afraid for so many years. and then, to realize that "i'm not afraid anymore."
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And then, to realize that "i'm not afraid anymore." and i wasn't afraid when i went
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"i'm not afraid anymore." and i wasn't afraid when i went to the police department.
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And i wasn't afraid when i went to the police department. i just was--
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To the police department. i just was-- it's like i could finally tell
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I just was-- it's like i could finally tell my story without fear
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It's like i could finally tell my story without fear of retaliation or, you know,
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My story without fear of retaliation or, you know, him hurting the kids
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Of retaliation or, you know, him hurting the kids because of it.
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Him hurting the kids because of it. and i felt so freed
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Because of it. and i felt so freed in that moment.
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And i felt so freed in that moment. he was taken away for, i think,
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In that moment. he was taken away for, i think, about five to six weeks.
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He was taken away for, i think, about five to six weeks. he was charged with
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About five to six weeks. he was charged with first-degree murder.
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He was charged with first-degree murder. but god is so good,
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First-degree murder. but god is so good, and he only had to serve
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But god is so good, and he only had to serve five years probation.
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And he only had to serve five years probation. after the investigation,
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Five years probation. after the investigation, they could clearly tell
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After the investigation, they could clearly tell that this was self-defense.
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They could clearly tell that this was self-defense. and after five years
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That this was self-defense. and after five years of probation, they expunged
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And after five years of probation, they expunged it from his record.
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Of probation, they expunged it from his record. >> joyce: that's good.
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It from his record. >> joyce: that's good. >> sandee jo: yeah.
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>> joyce: that's good. >> sandee jo: yeah. >> joyce: that's really good.
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>> sandee jo: yeah. >> joyce: that's really good. >> sandee jo: and so,
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>> joyce: that's really good. >> sandee jo: and so, he is now the father
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>> sandee jo: and so, he is now the father of two beautiful children.
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He is now the father of two beautiful children. he's happily married to my
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Of two beautiful children. he's happily married to my beautiful daughter-in-law, and.
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He's happily married to my beautiful daughter-in-law, and. >> ginger: give us that hope.
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Beautiful daughter-in-law, and. >> ginger: give us that hope. for the people who are thinking,
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>> ginger: give us that hope. for the people who are thinking, "i'm never gonna have
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For the people who are thinking, "i'm never gonna have that because i've been
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"i'm never gonna have that because i've been hurting for so long."
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That because i've been hurting for so long." what is that hope
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Hurting for so long." what is that hope that they can have?
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What is that hope that they can have? >> sandee jo: there is life
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That they can have? >> sandee jo: there is life on the other side of abuse.
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>> sandee jo: there is life on the other side of abuse. and where i thought that
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On the other side of abuse. and where i thought that "this was my life--
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And where i thought that "this was my life-- this was gonna be my life,"
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"this was my life-- this was gonna be my life," i accepted it,
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This was gonna be my life," i accepted it, and i just pretty much thought
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I accepted it, and i just pretty much thought "i'll never have a normal life,"
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And i just pretty much thought "i'll never have a normal life," like what you've
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"i'll never have a normal life," like what you've what you've shared.
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Like what you've what you've shared. i remarried and i am just
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What you've shared. i remarried and i am just living my best life.
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I remarried and i am just living my best life. and i know it's all because
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Living my best life. and i know it's all because of god's faithfulness to me.
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And i know it's all because of god's faithfulness to me. and i just watch...
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Of god's faithfulness to me. and i just watch... sometimes i look at my life
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And i just watch... sometimes i look at my life and i think, "really?"
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Sometimes i look at my life and i think, "really?" "is this--"
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And i think, "really?" "is this--" you know,
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"is this--" you know, "is this happening to me?"
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You know, "is this happening to me?" because i feel like i literally
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"is this happening to me?" because i feel like i literally went from the pit to the palace.
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Because i feel like i literally went from the pit to the palace. and i just have
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Went from the pit to the palace. and i just have a wonderful husband.
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And i just have a wonderful husband. joyce met him, and he's just--
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A wonderful husband. joyce met him, and he's just-- he's a lot.
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>> [ladies laughing]
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>> [ladies laughing] >> joyce: he's a good guy.
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>> [ladies laughing] >> joyce: he's a good guy. >> sandee jo: he is a wonderful.
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>> joyce: he's a good guy. >> sandee jo: he is a wonderful. and he's adopted my two girls,
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>> sandee jo: he is a wonderful. and he's adopted my two girls, and the boys were older.
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And he's adopted my two girls, and the boys were older. he adopted the two girls.
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And the boys were older. he adopted the two girls. and so, yeah, god is faithful.
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He adopted the two girls. and so, yeah, god is faithful. and i just--
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And so, yeah, god is faithful. and i just-- you know, to other women
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And i just-- you know, to other women who are going through this,
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You know, to other women who are going through this, "there is life and god doesn't
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Who are going through this, "there is life and god doesn't want you to live in fear.
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"there is life and god doesn't want you to live in fear. he has something
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Want you to live in fear. he has something better for your life."
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He has something better for your life." i do feel like he's using
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Better for your life." i do feel like he's using what i went through.
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I do feel like he's using what i went through. and so, it's not
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What i went through. and so, it's not gonna be wasted,
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And so, it's not gonna be wasted, but i do want, you know,
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Gonna be wasted, but i do want, you know, others to know that,
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"listen, just because you're
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"listen, just because you're going through it now doesn't
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"listen, just because you're going through it now doesn't mean that there's not
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Going through it now doesn't mean that there's not another side to it and you will
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Mean that there's not another side to it and you will be safe and happy one day."
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Another side to it and you will be safe and happy one day." >> ginger: yeah.
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Be safe and happy one day." >> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: and, you know,
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>> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: and, you know, i think a thought that
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>> joyce: and, you know, i think a thought that we might leave people with is,
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I think a thought that we might leave people with is, "you have a choice to make."
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We might leave people with is, "you have a choice to make." i'm sure a lot of people
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"you have a choice to make." i'm sure a lot of people watching after hearing
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I'm sure a lot of people watching after hearing you and watching this think,
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Watching after hearing you and watching this think, "okay, i need to do something."
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You and watching this think, "okay, i need to do something." and so, you think about
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"okay, i need to do something." and so, you think about that fear of leaving.
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And so, you think about that fear of leaving. but is that--
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That fear of leaving. but is that-- which is gonna be worse,
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But is that-- which is gonna be worse, staying in that
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Which is gonna be worse, staying in that situation forever?
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Staying in that situation forever? i talk about, like,
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Situation forever? i talk about, like, when we need change.
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I talk about, like, when we need change. and, like, forgiving people
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When we need change. and, like, forgiving people that have hurt you,
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And, like, forgiving people that have hurt you, that's hard.
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That have hurt you, that's hard. we took care of my mom
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That's hard. we took care of my mom and dad in their elderly years.
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We took care of my mom and dad in their elderly years. that was very hard, and...
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And dad in their elderly years. that was very hard, and... but god would put
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That was very hard, and... but god would put on my heart sometimes,
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But god would put on my heart sometimes, "which is harder?
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On my heart sometimes, "which is harder? to go ahead and do this hard
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"which is harder? to go ahead and do this hard thing and get it over with
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To go ahead and do this hard thing and get it over with or to keep hurting forever?"
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Thing and get it over with or to keep hurting forever?" so, sometimes, you're better
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Or to keep hurting forever?" so, sometimes, you're better off to just face the thing,
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So, sometimes, you're better off to just face the thing, and deal with it and trust
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Off to just face the thing, and deal with it and trust god to help you in it.
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And deal with it and trust god to help you in it. because if you don't,
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God to help you in it. because if you don't, you're gonna be in that
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Because if you don't, you're gonna be in that situation 20 years from now.
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You're gonna be in that situation 20 years from now. >> sandee jo: yeah.
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Situation 20 years from now. >> sandee jo: yeah. and i wish i would have.
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>> sandee jo: yeah. and i wish i would have. i wish my faith would have
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And i wish i would have. i wish my faith would have been bigger than my fear.
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I wish my faith would have been bigger than my fear. and i know now,
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Been bigger than my fear. and i know now, the things i didn't know then,
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And i know now, the things i didn't know then, are that there are shelters.
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The things i didn't know then, are that there are shelters. there are domestic violent
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Are that there are shelters. there are domestic violent shelters that will help.
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There are domestic violent shelters that will help. they will--
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Shelters that will help. they will-- if you call their number,
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They will-- if you call their number, they will help you with
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If you call their number, they will help you with a safety plan so that you're
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They will help you with a safety plan so that you're not just leaving on a whim
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A safety plan so that you're not just leaving on a whim because emotions are
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Not just leaving on a whim because emotions are heightened and, you know,
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Because emotions are heightened and, you know, he's raging again
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Heightened and, you know, he's raging again and he's gonna keep
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He's raging again and he's gonna keep the control no matter what.
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And he's gonna keep the control no matter what. and that's when things get
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The control no matter what. and that's when things get lethal and very dangerous.
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And that's when things get lethal and very dangerous. but they give you a safety plan
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Lethal and very dangerous. but they give you a safety plan and they're professionals
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But they give you a safety plan and they're professionals and they help you exit
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And they're professionals and they help you exit the situation with law
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And they help you exit the situation with law enforcement if needed.
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The situation with law enforcement if needed. and then, they keep you safe
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Enforcement if needed. and then, they keep you safe for eight weeks or longer
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And then, they keep you safe for eight weeks or longer until you need to find
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For eight weeks or longer until you need to find a secure place to live.
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Until you need to find a secure place to live. and so, there--
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A secure place to live. and so, there-- it's never risk-free
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And so, there-- it's never risk-free because you're dealing
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It's never risk-free because you're dealing with domestic violence.
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Because you're dealing with domestic violence. so, there's always--
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With domestic violence. so, there's always-- >> ginger: no, it's
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So, there's always-- >> ginger: no, it's a terrible situation.
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>> ginger: no, it's a terrible situation. >> sandee jo: but it's also
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A terrible situation. >> sandee jo: but it's also a huge risk to stay.
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>> sandee jo: but it's also a huge risk to stay. >> ginger: yeah.
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A huge risk to stay. >> ginger: yeah. >> sandee jo: and so,
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>> ginger: yeah. >> sandee jo: and so, that's the message
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>> sandee jo: and so, that's the message i try to get out.
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That's the message i try to get out. yes, you think you're
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I try to get out. yes, you think you're staying to protect
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Yes, you think you're staying to protect yourself and your kids,
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Staying to protect yourself and your kids, but you're actually--
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Yourself and your kids, but you're actually-- there's a huge risk in staying.
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But you're actually-- there's a huge risk in staying. >> ginger: well, the national
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There's a huge risk in staying. >> ginger: well, the national domestic violence hotline,
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>> ginger: well, the national domestic violence hotline, in case you need this,
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Domestic violence hotline, in case you need this, take that first step
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In case you need this, take that first step that we're talking about.
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Take that first step that we're talking about. just--
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That we're talking about. just-- it's hard.
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Just-- it's hard. and we understand that
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It's hard. and we understand that these are not easy choices.
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And we understand that these are not easy choices. and we pray that you
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These are not easy choices. and we pray that you have the strength
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And we pray that you have the strength that you need to have.
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But you can reach out
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But you can reach out to someone that you trust
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But you can reach out to someone that you trust or someone to help you.
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To someone that you trust or someone to help you. so, the national domestic
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Or someone to help you. so, the national domestic violence hotline is
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So, the national domestic violence hotline is 1-800-799-safe, s-a-f-e,
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Violence hotline is 1-800-799-safe, s-a-f-e, to give you someplace.
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1-800-799-safe, s-a-f-e, to give you someplace. but whether it's your church
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To give you someplace. but whether it's your church or someone that you can trust.
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It's easy for me to say,
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It's easy for me to say, but coming from you,
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It's easy for me to say, but coming from you, who's been there,
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But coming from you, who's been there, you said that you wish you had.
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Who's been there, you said that you wish you had. and that it's worth
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You said that you wish you had. and that it's worth a try, right?
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And that it's worth a try, right? >> sandee jo: yes.
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A try, right? >> sandee jo: yes. yes.
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>> sandee jo: yes. yes. and to me, i would risk
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Yes. and to me, i would risk everything, take the kids,
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And to me, i would risk everything, take the kids, and get out if i had to redo it.
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Everything, take the kids, and get out if i had to redo it. >> joyce: well, i believe
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And get out if i had to redo it. >> joyce: well, i believe a lot of people are gonna
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>> joyce: well, i believe a lot of people are gonna turn a corner and get
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A lot of people are gonna turn a corner and get the help that they need.
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Turn a corner and get the help that they need. so, let's pray for 'em.
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The help that they need. so, let's pray for 'em. >> ginger: amen.
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So, let's pray for 'em. >> ginger: amen. >> joyce: father, we pray
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>> ginger: amen. >> joyce: father, we pray for all the people watching
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>> joyce: father, we pray for all the people watching that are being abused,
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For all the people watching that are being abused, that you would lead them
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That are being abused, that you would lead them and guide them in the right
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That you would lead them and guide them in the right action to take at the right
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And guide them in the right action to take at the right time and in the right way.
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Action to take at the right time and in the right way. and we pray even for people
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Time and in the right way. and we pray even for people that are not watching,
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And we pray even for people that are not watching, that this would help them
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That are not watching, that this would help them recognize the signs of even
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That this would help them recognize the signs of even a friend that's being abused,
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Recognize the signs of even a friend that's being abused, or somebody else that they know.
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A friend that's being abused, or somebody else that they know. and we just ask you to take
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Or somebody else that they know. and we just ask you to take this program today,
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And we just ask you to take this program today, this 45 minutes, and change
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This program today, this 45 minutes, and change thousands of lives with it.
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This 45 minutes, and change thousands of lives with it. in jesus' name, amen.
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Thousands of lives with it. in jesus' name, amen. >> sandee jo: amen.
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In jesus' name, amen. >> sandee jo: amen. thank you.
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>> sandee jo: amen. thank you. >> ginger: amen.
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Thank you. >> ginger: amen. sandee jo, thank you so much.
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>> ginger: amen. sandee jo, thank you so much. we really appreciate your
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Sandee jo, thank you so much. we really appreciate your courage to share this.
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We really appreciate your courage to share this. and i know that you reach
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Courage to share this. and i know that you reach out and you help so many
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And i know that you reach out and you help so many people at this point.
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Out and you help so many people at this point. and so, we're just grateful
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People at this point. and so, we're just grateful for what you're doing.
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And so, we're just grateful for what you're doing. thank you very much.
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For what you're doing. thank you very much. >> sandee jo: well,
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Thank you very much. >> sandee jo: well, i'm so thankful to be here
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>> sandee jo: well, i'm so thankful to be here and just to talk about
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I'm so thankful to be here and just to talk about a difficult subject.
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And just to talk about a difficult subject. you know, people say a lot
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A difficult subject. you know, people say a lot of times, "what can i do?
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You know, people say a lot of times, "what can i do? you know, i hear your story.
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Of times, "what can i do? you know, i hear your story. this isn't something
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You know, i hear your story. this isn't something that affects me,
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This isn't something that affects me, but what can i do to help?"
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That affects me, but what can i do to help?" support your local
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But what can i do to help?" support your local domestic violence shelter.
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Support your local domestic violence shelter. get to know where it is.
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Domestic violence shelter. get to know where it is. you know, support them,
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Get to know where it is. you know, support them, whether it's through
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You know, support them, whether it's through your volunteer effort
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Whether it's through your volunteer effort or monetary donations.
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Your volunteer effort or monetary donations. they need it.
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Or monetary donations. they need it. they need it to keep
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They need it. they need it to keep their doors open.
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They need it to keep their doors open. >> ginger: thank you.
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Their doors open. >> ginger: thank you. that's a great encouragement.
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>> ginger: thank you. that's a great encouragement. you know, for years,
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That's a great encouragement. you know, for years, my mom volunteered
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You know, for years, my mom volunteered at a domestic violence shelter.
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My mom volunteered at a domestic violence shelter. and she would drive women
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At a domestic violence shelter. and she would drive women to their court dates and came
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And she would drive women to their court dates and came up with all sorts of opposition
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To their court dates and came up with all sorts of opposition from boyfriends and spouses.
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Up with all sorts of opposition from boyfriends and spouses. and so, you know,
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From boyfriends and spouses. and so, you know, what a wonderful thing
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And so, you know, what a wonderful thing if we can offer any help
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What a wonderful thing if we can offer any help to be able to do that.
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If we can offer any help to be able to do that. so, thank you for
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To be able to do that. so, thank you for that encouragement.
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So, thank you for that encouragement. it's so important.
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That encouragement. it's so important. it's been so good
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It's so important. it's been so good talking with you,
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It's been so good talking with you, and we thank all
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Talking with you, and we thank all of you so much for
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And we thank all of you so much for being here with us.
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Of you so much for being here with us. we love you.
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Being here with us. we love you. there is hope even
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We love you. there is hope even in your situation because
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There is hope even in your situation because god is a big god.
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>> announcer: you've lived
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>> announcer: you've lived long enough to know:
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Long enough to know: the day won't always
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The day won't always go as planned.
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Go as planned. but peace isn't found
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But peace isn't found in control.
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In control. it's found in quiet
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It's found in quiet moments with god.
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Moments with god.
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>> joyce: "beginning your day
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>> joyce: "beginning your day god's way" is a 365-day
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God's way" is a 365-day devotional to help you start
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Devotional to help you start your mornings with the truth
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Your mornings with the truth of god's word.
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Of god's word. when you begin your day rooted
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When you begin your day rooted in scripture, something
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In scripture, something powerful happens.
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Powerful happens. your thoughts
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Your thoughts start to change,
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Start to change, your emotions come
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Your emotions come into balance.
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Into balance. you begin
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You begin to respond to life,
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To respond to life, not just react
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Not just react to it.
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To it. and you'll find
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And you'll find yourself walking
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Yourself walking in more
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In more peace,
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Peace, wisdom,
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Wisdom, and joy
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And joy no matter
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No matter what comes
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What comes your way.
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Your way. each devotional includes
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Each devotional includes a scripture, a prayer,
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A scripture, a prayer, and a word
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And a word of encouragement
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Of encouragement to help you stay
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To help you stay focused on god's love
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Focused on god's love and direction
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And direction for your life.
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For your life. so, don't just get
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So, don't just get through your day;
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Through your day; live it on purpose.
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Live it on purpose. >> announcer: every day
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>> announcer: every day is a brand-new
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Is a brand-new opportunity for
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Opportunity for a fresh start with
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A fresh start with joyce's devotional
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Joyce's devotional "beginning your day
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"beginning your day god's way."
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God's way." it's available
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It's available to you, right now,
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To you, right now, for your gift
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For your gift of any amount.
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Of any amount. and when you give...
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And when you give... or more,
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Or more, you'll receive this
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You'll receive this "battlefield of the mind"
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"battlefield of the mind" tote bag filled with joyce's
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Tote bag filled with joyce's devotional and her book,
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Devotional and her book, "how to talk
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"how to talk with god," along with
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With god," along with the "everyday life bible"
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The "everyday life bible" and a couple other
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And a couple other fun surprises.
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Fun surprises. call us today at...
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Call us today at... or visit us online at:
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Or visit us online at: joycemeyer.org
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Joycemeyer.org to get your
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To get your devotional and begin
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Devotional and begin every day god's way.
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Every day god's way. >> joyce: every day
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>> joyce: every day is a new day to grow,
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Is a new day to grow, to trust in god,
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To trust in god, and to walk in peace.
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And to walk in peace. "beginning your day
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"beginning your day god's way" is a devotional
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God's way" is a devotional to help you align
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To help you align your thoughts
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Your thoughts and emotions
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And emotions with the truth
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With the truth of god's word before
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Of god's word before the day even begins.
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The day even begins. you'll be able to face
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You'll be able to face whatever the day
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Whatever the day holds with
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Holds with confidence and joy.
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Confidence and joy. you can begin each
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You can begin each day the right way.
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Day the right way. and remember,
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And remember, your gift,
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Your gift, along with gifts
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Along with gifts from the partners
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From the partners of joyce meyer ministries,
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Of joyce meyer ministries, are making a difference
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Are making a difference around the world,
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Around the world, by helping to share christ,
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By helping to share christ, provide food and medical
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Provide food and medical care to those in need,
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Care to those in need, and so much more.
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And so much more. "beginning your
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"beginning your day god's way"
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Day god's way" devotional helps
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Devotional helps you focus, grow,
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You focus, grow, and walk in peace
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And walk in peace one day at a time.
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One day at a time. and you can receive it for
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And you can receive it for your gift of any amount.
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Your gift of any amount. when you give...
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When you give... or more,
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Or more, you'll receive this
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You'll receive this "battlefield of the mind"
00:25:12.067 --> 00:25:12.801
"battlefield of the mind" tote bag filled
00:25:12.867 --> 00:25:13.468
Tote bag filled with joyce's devotional
00:25:13.535 --> 00:25:14.736
With joyce's devotional and her book,
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And her book, "how to talk with god,"
00:25:16.071 --> 00:25:17.072
"how to talk with god," along with the "everyday
00:25:17.138 --> 00:25:18.773
Along with the "everyday life bible" and a couple
00:25:18.840 --> 00:25:19.608
Life bible" and a couple other fun surprises.
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Other fun surprises. call us today at...
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Call us today at... or visit us online at:
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Or visit us online at: joycemeyer.org
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Joycemeyer.org to get your devotional
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To get your devotional and watch how
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And watch how everything else begins
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Everything else begins to fall into place.
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>> joyce: well, rejection
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>> joyce: well, rejection is definitely painful.
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Is definitely painful. it's something we've all
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It's something we've all endured in one way or another.
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Endured in one way or another. >> ginger: our experiences
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>> ginger: our experiences may be different,
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May be different, but the damage is very real.
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But the damage is very real. whether it comes from
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Whether it comes from a stranger, a friend,
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A stranger, a friend, or someone we love,
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Or someone we love, rejection leaves us feeling
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Rejection leaves us feeling unwanted and wounded.
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Unwanted and wounded. >> joyce: we both know how
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>> joyce: we both know how devastating rejection can be.
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Devastating rejection can be. the good news is
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The good news is healing is possible.
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Healing is possible. >> ginger: m-hmm.
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>> ginger: m-hmm. >> joyce: that's why i invited
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>> joyce: that's why i invited ginger to write
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Ginger to write a very important
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A very important book with me,
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Book with me, "healing the wounds
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"healing the wounds of rejection."
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Of rejection." i believe now is the time
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I believe now is the time to overcome those
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To overcome those wounds and embrace
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Wounds and embrace our true identity in christ.
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Our true identity in christ. >> ginger: you may not
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>> ginger: you may not even realize the effects
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Even realize the effects of rejection on your life.
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Of rejection on your life. i know i didn't for a time.
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I know i didn't for a time. but you don't have
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But you don't have to remain stuck
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To remain stuck in the past or let what
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In the past or let what others have done
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Others have done define your worth.
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Define your worth. >> joyce: in our book,
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>> joyce: in our book, we share the truths that
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We share the truths that have helped both of us,
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And the things that
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And the things that we went through.
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We went through. >> ginger: and together,
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>> ginger: and together, we can all move
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We can all move forward with strength
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Forward with strength and confidence.
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And confidence. >> announcer: "healing
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>> announcer: "healing the wounds of rejection"
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The wounds of rejection" by joyce meyer
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By joyce meyer and ginger stache.
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And ginger stache. request your copy today!
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>> ginger: real life.
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>> ginger: real life. real friends.
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Real friends. no pretense.
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No pretense. joyce meyer's
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Joyce meyer's talk it out podcast.
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Talk it out podcast. join joyce, erin cluley,
00:26:39.220 --> 00:26:41.056
Join joyce, erin cluley, and me, ginger stache,
00:26:41.122 --> 00:26:42.924
And me, ginger stache, along with some amazing friends,
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Along with some amazing friends, as we honestly share
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As we honestly share the hard stuff,
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The hard stuff, laugh through those
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Laugh through those unpredictable moments,
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Unpredictable moments, and learn to apply what
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And learn to apply what god says about it all.
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God says about it all. watch or listen to new
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Watch or listen to new episodes every other tuesday,
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Episodes every other tuesday, wherever you get your podcast.
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>> [music]
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>> announcer: we hope you
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>> announcer: we hope you enjoyed today's program.
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Enjoyed today's program.
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To our joyce meyer ministries partners
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Ministries partners who make this
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Who make this and all we do possible,
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And all we do possible, including sharing
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Including sharing god's word
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God's word and offering help
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And offering help to people in need
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To people in need all over the world.
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Joyce Meyer - Escaping the Horrors of Domestic Violence (Part 2)

October 23, 2025 | 29:29

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