Joyce Meyer - Facing Difficult Things

September 5, 2025 | S E | 29:29

Joyce shares some valuable lessons she’s learned as a leader in ministry, and teaches how to handle difficult situations in a godly way.

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Joyce Meyer: Enjoying Everyday Life | Joyce Meyer - Facing Difficult Things | September 5, 2025

>> joyce: i do what
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>> joyce: i do what i do because i've seen god's
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>> joyce: i do what i do because i've seen god's power transform my own life,
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I do because i've seen god's power transform my own life, and he will do it for you.
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Power transform my own life, and he will do it for you. the key to everything
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And he will do it for you. the key to everything is found in god's word.
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The key to everything is found in god's word. i'm joyce meyer,
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Is found in god's word. i'm joyce meyer, and i believe that god can heal
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I'm joyce meyer, and i believe that god can heal you everywhere you hurt.
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>> ginger: today, i am thrilled
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>> ginger: today, i am thrilled that this is something
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That this is something that you said,
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That you said, "i think we need to talk about
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"i think we need to talk about this in a candid conversation."
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This in a candid conversation." >> joyce: right.
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>> joyce: right. >> ginger: this is something
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>> ginger: this is something that you've spent a lot
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That you've spent a lot of time thinking about,
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Of time thinking about, and being able to share
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And being able to share some of the difficulties that
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Some of the difficulties that you have faced in your
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You have faced in your own ministry, and building
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Your leadership;
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Your leadership; there are just so,
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Your leadership; there are just so, many valid points
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There are just so, many valid points here for leaders,
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Many valid points here for leaders, for people who do want to have,
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Here for leaders, for people who do want to have, or do have a ministry,
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For people who do want to have, or do have a ministry, and really, even,
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Or do have a ministry, and really, even, just for people
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And really, even, just for people in everyday life,
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Just for people in everyday life, because it applies
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In everyday life, because it applies to everything.
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What made you start thinking,
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What made you start thinking, "you know, i've learned
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"you know, i've learned some lessons through
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Some lessons through some really hard things
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Some really hard things and i wanna share it and help
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And i wanna share it and help other people through it?
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Other people through it? >> joyce: i think a lot
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>> joyce: i think a lot of people aren't really
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When they start something
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When they start something like this.
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When they start something like this. they think, "oh, i wanna
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Like this. they think, "oh, i wanna be in ministry."
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They think, "oh, i wanna be in ministry." or, you know, maybe people
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Be in ministry." or, you know, maybe people might see somebody like
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Or, you know, maybe people might see somebody like me on television and think,
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Might see somebody like me on television and think, "oh, i wanna do that."
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Me on television and think, "oh, i wanna do that." but that's a little,
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"oh, i wanna do that." but that's a little, tiny bit of everything
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But that's a little, tiny bit of everything else that you have to do.
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Tiny bit of everything else that you have to do. it's not all easy.
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Else that you have to do. it's not all easy. and you have to be determined.
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It's not all easy. and you have to be determined. so, one of the first things
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And you have to be determined. so, one of the first things that i had to deal with
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So, one of the first things that i had to deal with was loneliness.
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And you wouldn't think,
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And you wouldn't think, "well, how could you be lonely
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"well, how could you be lonely with all the people that
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With all the people that are around you all the time?"
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Are around you all the time?" well, i had quit my job
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Well, i had quit my job at a church where i was
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At a church where i was part of a team of people,
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Part of a team of people, and we did all kinds
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And we did all kinds of things together, and then,
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Of things together, and then, when i started my own ministry,
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When i started my own ministry, i started traveling
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I started traveling and doing meetings,
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And doing meetings, and i was just by myself a lot.
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And i was just by myself a lot. i was in hotel rooms by myself.
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I was in hotel rooms by myself. i was in, what they call,
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I was in, what they call, the green room,
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The green room, behind the stage waiting
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Behind the stage waiting for things to start.
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For things to start. or even, when i would go for
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They'd always have a room
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They'd always have a room somewhere for me to wait in.
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They'd always have a room somewhere for me to wait in. and i was just by myself a lot.
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Somewhere for me to wait in. and i was just by myself a lot. and of course, you know,
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And i was just by myself a lot. and of course, you know, i've written somewhere like
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And of course, you know, i've written somewhere like about a hundred and fifty
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I've written somewhere like about a hundred and fifty books and you don't do that
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About a hundred and fifty books and you don't do that running around all the time,
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Books and you don't do that running around all the time, you know?
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Running around all the time, you know? so, i--it's necessary
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You know? so, i--it's necessary for me to spend a lot of time
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So, i--it's necessary for me to spend a lot of time alone to study, to prepare,
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For me to spend a lot of time alone to study, to prepare, to get the messages, to pray.
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Alone to study, to prepare, to get the messages, to pray. and so, i had to learn that
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To get the messages, to pray. and so, i had to learn that being alone didn't mean
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And so, i had to learn that being alone didn't mean that you had to be lonely.
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Being alone didn't mean that you had to be lonely. and now, i really love
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That you had to be lonely. and now, i really love and cherish my time alone.
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And now, i really love and cherish my time alone. it actually is one of the things
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And cherish my time alone. it actually is one of the things that restores me more
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It actually is one of the things that restores me more than anything else.
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That restores me more than anything else. and i think anytime that
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Than anything else. and i think anytime that you're the leader--you have
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And i think anytime that you're the leader--you have to be a little bit careful
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You're the leader--you have to be a little bit careful who you choose for friends.
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To be a little bit careful who you choose for friends. you know, it's--
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Who you choose for friends. you know, it's-- that's not saying that
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You know, it's-- that's not saying that people are bad, but, you know,
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That's not saying that people are bad, but, you know, some people would try
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People are bad, but, you know, some people would try to take advantage of that.
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Some people would try to take advantage of that. they start wanting you
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To take advantage of that. they start wanting you to do things for 'em,
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They start wanting you to do things for 'em, or they start asking questions
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To do things for 'em, or they start asking questions they shouldn't be asking,
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Or they start asking questions they shouldn't be asking, and things like that.
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They shouldn't be asking, and things like that. and so, after getting
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And things like that. and so, after getting hurt a few times,
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And so, after getting hurt a few times, after choosing my own friends,
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Hurt a few times, after choosing my own friends, i had to learn to let
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After choosing my own friends, i had to learn to let god really give me divine
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I had to learn to let god really give me divine connections in my life.
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God really give me divine connections in my life. i mean, you're a leader here,
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Connections in my life. i mean, you're a leader here, no matter what
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I mean, you're a leader here, no matter what decision you make,
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No matter what decision you make, you can't make one that
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Decision you make, you can't make one that everybody's gonna like.
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You can't make one that everybody's gonna like. >> ginger: very true, very true.
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Everybody's gonna like. >> ginger: very true, very true. >> joyce: you know,
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>> ginger: very true, very true. >> joyce: you know, we get like--
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>> joyce: you know, we get like-- for example, in these focus
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We get like-- for example, in these focus meetings about what to name
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For example, in these focus meetings about what to name a book or a book cover
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Meetings about what to name a book or a book cover or something like that,
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A book or a book cover or something like that, and always, invariably,
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Or something like that, and always, invariably, half the people like one
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And always, invariably, half the people like one thing and half the people
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Half the people like one thing and half the people like something else.
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Thing and half the people like something else. and then, that leaves me or you,
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Like something else. and then, that leaves me or you, with the decision to make.
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And then, that leaves me or you, with the decision to make. and you can't--you can't
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With the decision to make. and you can't--you can't always make one that
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And you can't--you can't always make one that everybody is going to like.
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Always make one that everybody is going to like. have you experienced any
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Everybody is going to like. have you experienced any loneliness in the position
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Have you experienced any loneliness in the position that you're in?
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Loneliness in the position that you're in? >> ginger: you know,
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That you're in? >> ginger: you know, so much more than
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>> ginger: you know, so much more than i ever expected.
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So much more than i ever expected. it's very true.
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I ever expected. it's very true. and i think it's very true
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It's very true. and i think it's very true for people in leadership,
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And i think it's very true for people in leadership, because you do have
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For people in leadership, because you do have to be careful,
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Because you do have to be careful, and you have to use wisdom
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To be careful, and you have to use wisdom in the people that you
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And you have to use wisdom in the people that you are connected with it.
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In the people that you are connected with it. but also, you have to make--
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Are connected with it. but also, you have to make-- you have to have
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But also, you have to make-- you have to have tough conversations,
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You have to have tough conversations, maybe that's the best
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Tough conversations, maybe that's the best way to say it.
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Maybe that's the best way to say it. as a leader, if your goal
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Way to say it. as a leader, if your goal really is to help
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As a leader, if your goal really is to help other people grow,
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Really is to help other people grow, then you have to be that
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Other people grow, then you have to be that person who's willing
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Then you have to be that person who's willing to show them some areas
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Person who's willing to show them some areas that they can grow in,
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To show them some areas that they can grow in, and people don't
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That they can grow in, and people don't always love that.
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And people don't always love that. so, it can--it can be lonely.
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Always love that. so, it can--it can be lonely. i've found ways
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So, it can--it can be lonely. i've found ways to make it better.
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I've found ways to make it better. like, you said,
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To make it better. like, you said, connect with the right people,
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Like, you said, connect with the right people, enjoy the time that
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Connect with the right people, enjoy the time that i do have on my own.
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Enjoy the time that i do have on my own. but i have before, said,
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I do have on my own. but i have before, said, "you know, god,
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But i have before, said, "you know, god, can you bring me somebody that
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"you know, god, can you bring me somebody that i can have a connection with?"
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Can you bring me somebody that i can have a connection with?" yeah.
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I can have a connection with?" yeah. >> joyce: right, when you're
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Yeah. >> joyce: right, when you're in a position of leadership,
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>> joyce: right, when you're in a position of leadership, many times,
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In a position of leadership, many times, you're misunderstood.
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Many times, you're misunderstood. people don't always
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You're misunderstood. people don't always understand why you make
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People don't always understand why you make the decisions that you make,
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Understand why you make the decisions that you make, or maybe, if you do have
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The decisions that you make, or maybe, if you do have to have a hard conversation,
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Or maybe, if you do have to have a hard conversation, they don't--
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To have a hard conversation, they don't-- they don't understand
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They don't-- they don't understand because they're just looking
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They don't understand because they're just looking at it from their viewpoint.
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Because they're just looking at it from their viewpoint. like, for example,
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At it from their viewpoint. like, for example, we have guidelines about,
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Like, for example, we have guidelines about, let's say, vacation time.
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We have guidelines about, let's say, vacation time. well, so, it's not infrequent
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Let's say, vacation time. well, so, it's not infrequent for somebody, especially,
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Well, so, it's not infrequent for somebody, especially, if they think they know
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For somebody, especially, if they think they know you pretty well, to say,
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If they think they know you pretty well, to say, "you know, could you
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You pretty well, to say, "you know, could you do me a favor,
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"you know, could you do me a favor, and let me do this?"
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Do me a favor, and let me do this?" which is not part
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And let me do this?" which is not part of our guidelines.
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Which is not part of our guidelines. and i have to tell 'em,
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Of our guidelines. and i have to tell 'em, "if i do it for you, then i have
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And i have to tell 'em, "if i do it for you, then i have to do it for everybody."
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"if i do it for you, then i have to do it for everybody." and people--any time they
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To do it for everybody." and people--any time they wanna hear, "yes,"
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And people--any time they wanna hear, "yes," and you tell 'em, "no,"
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Wanna hear, "yes," and you tell 'em, "no," they don't like it.
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And you tell 'em, "no," they don't like it. and so, that's lonely too,
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They don't like it. and so, that's lonely too, whenever you feel like,
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And so, that's lonely too, whenever you feel like, that you're doing your
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Whenever you feel like, that you're doing your best to try to manage things,
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That you're doing your best to try to manage things, the best way that you can,
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Best to try to manage things, the best way that you can, and people just
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The best way that you can, and people just don't understand it.
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And people just don't understand it. >> ginger: you mention
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Don't understand it. >> ginger: you mention with that, "when people who have
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>> ginger: you mention with that, "when people who have the call of god on their lives
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With that, "when people who have the call of god on their lives are often unique individuals."
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The call of god on their lives are often unique individuals." talk to me a little
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Are often unique individuals." talk to me a little bit about that,
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Talk to me a little bit about that, because that is very true.
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>> joyce: well, like,
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>> joyce: well, like, even before i knew that
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Even before i knew that i was called to ministry,
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I was called to ministry, i just didn't seem to like,
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I just didn't seem to like, or enjoy, a lot of the things
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Or enjoy, a lot of the things that other women,
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That other women, that i knew, did.
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That i knew, did. >> ginger: sure, so,
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>> ginger: sure, so, you feel different.
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You feel different. >> joyce: yeah, i was always
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>> joyce: yeah, i was always a little more serious.
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A little more serious. and i always wanted
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And i always wanted things to matter.
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Things to matter. i didn't wanna
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I didn't wanna do frivolous things.
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Do frivolous things. and i wasn't interested
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And i wasn't interested in the coffee klatching,
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In the coffee klatching, and gossiping, and the home
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And gossiping, and the home decorating parties,
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Decorating parties, and things like that.
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And things like that. not that there's anything,
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But it just wasn't what
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But it just wasn't what god was calling me to do.
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But it just wasn't what god was calling me to do. and many times, i felt like,
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God was calling me to do. and many times, i felt like, you know, i was just really
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And many times, i felt like, you know, i was just really strange and weird.
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You know, i was just really strange and weird. and i learned that i was unique,
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Strange and weird. and i learned that i was unique, and that god built
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And i learned that i was unique, and that god built me as a unique person for
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And that god built me as a unique person for the call on my life that he had.
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Me as a unique person for the call on my life that he had. one of the things that
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The call on my life that he had. one of the things that was really hard for me,
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One of the things that was really hard for me, is what i call,
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Was really hard for me, is what i call, the silent years.
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Is what i call, the silent years. and you see them
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The silent years. and you see them in jesus' life.
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And you see them in jesus' life. you see them in the life
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In jesus' life. you see them in the life of john, the baptist.
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You see them in the life of john, the baptist. like, jesus was dedicated
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Of john, the baptist. like, jesus was dedicated at eight days old,
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Like, jesus was dedicated at eight days old, in the temple,
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At eight days old, in the temple, and you don't hear anything
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In the temple, and you don't hear anything else about him until they
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And you don't hear anything else about him until they go for the census and he was
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Else about him until they go for the census and he was like 12 or 13, i think.
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Go for the census and he was like 12 or 13, i think. and then, you don't hear
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Like 12 or 13, i think. and then, you don't hear anything about him again,
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And then, you don't hear anything about him again, until he's 30.
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Anything about him again, until he's 30. and so, all it says,
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Until he's 30. and so, all it says, all the bible says,
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And so, all it says, all the bible says, about those years is:
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All the bible says, about those years is: "he grew."
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About those years is: "he grew." and it says the same thing
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"he grew." and it says the same thing about john, the baptist,
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And it says the same thing about john, the baptist, "he grew in wisdom, and stature,
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About john, the baptist, "he grew in wisdom, and stature, and in favor with god."
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"he grew in wisdom, and stature, and in favor with god." and see, a lot of people don't
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And in favor with god." and see, a lot of people don't realize that when god
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And see, a lot of people don't realize that when god calls you to do something,
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Realize that when god calls you to do something, you may not yet
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Calls you to do something, you may not yet be qualified to do it.
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You may not yet be qualified to do it. the call is there,
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Be qualified to do it. the call is there, and you think it's just
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The call is there, and you think it's just gonna happen right away.
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And you think it's just gonna happen right away. but god's got a lot of work
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Gonna happen right away. but god's got a lot of work that he's gotta do in you.
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But god's got a lot of work that he's gotta do in you. and i think about it like
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That he's gotta do in you. and i think about it like the caterpillar that's
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And i think about it like the caterpillar that's becoming a butterfly.
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The caterpillar that's becoming a butterfly. and that caterpillar spins
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Becoming a butterfly. and that caterpillar spins a web around itself,
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And that caterpillar spins a web around itself, and it usually is on
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A web around itself, and it usually is on the backside of a branch.
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And it usually is on the backside of a branch. a lot of times, the things
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The backside of a branch. a lot of times, the things that god has to do in us,
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A lot of times, the things that god has to do in us, they're better off
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That god has to do in us, they're better off done in private,
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They're better off done in private, not out where everybody
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Done in private, not out where everybody can see them.
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Not out where everybody can see them. >> ginger: that's a great point.
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Can see them. >> ginger: that's a great point. and be grateful for that.
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>> ginger: that's a great point. and be grateful for that. >> joyce: but those silent
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And be grateful for that. >> joyce: but those silent years are hard because--
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>> joyce: but those silent years are hard because-- what i mean by silent years is,
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Years are hard because-- what i mean by silent years is, you have this dream
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What i mean by silent years is, you have this dream and this vision, and you're
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You have this dream and this vision, and you're not sure if you're crazy,
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And this vision, and you're not sure if you're crazy, or if it's really gonna happen.
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Not sure if you're crazy, or if it's really gonna happen. and then, you know, it's like,
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Or if it's really gonna happen. and then, you know, it's like, one part of you can't
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And then, you know, it's like, one part of you can't give up because god's put
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One part of you can't give up because god's put something in your heart.
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Give up because god's put something in your heart. but then, you don't see
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Something in your heart. but then, you don't see god doing anything.
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But then, you don't see god doing anything. and so,
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God doing anything. and so, that makes it challenging.
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And so, that makes it challenging. and so, i really wanna
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That makes it challenging. and so, i really wanna encourage people,
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And so, i really wanna encourage people, if they have a dream
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Encourage people, if they have a dream or a vision from god,
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If they have a dream or a vision from god, something that they feel
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Or a vision from god, something that they feel pretty firmly that god
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Something that they feel pretty firmly that god wants them to do, you--
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Pretty firmly that god wants them to do, you-- don't expect it to happen
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Wants them to do, you-- don't expect it to happen overnight because it doesn't.
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Don't expect it to happen overnight because it doesn't. you'll go through
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Overnight because it doesn't. you'll go through different things,
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You'll go through different things, and every one of those things
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Different things, and every one of those things will be valuable to you,
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And every one of those things will be valuable to you, if you let them.
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Will be valuable to you, if you let them. >> ginger: yeah, that waiting;
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If you let them. >> ginger: yeah, that waiting; it's the waiting that is hard,
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>> ginger: yeah, that waiting; it's the waiting that is hard, i think, for almost
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It's the waiting that is hard, i think, for almost all of us that--
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I think, for almost all of us that-- and, of course,
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All of us that-- and, of course, it builds patience,
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And, of course, it builds patience, but nobody likes the process.
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It builds patience, but nobody likes the process. and, like you said,
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But nobody likes the process. and, like you said, god does so much in our
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And, like you said, god does so much in our life during that time.
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God does so much in our life during that time. and you've talked many different
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Life during that time. and you've talked many different times about your ministry,
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And you've talked many different times about your ministry, how god would use
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Times about your ministry, how god would use those times, of you,
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How god would use those times, of you, trying to do other things
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Those times, of you, trying to do other things or trying to act like
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Trying to do other things or trying to act like another person.
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Or trying to act like another person. but he was honing you,
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Another person. but he was honing you, and preparing you.
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But he was honing you, and preparing you. and, without that preparation,
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And preparing you. and, without that preparation, you wouldn't be where
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And, without that preparation, you wouldn't be where you are today.
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You wouldn't be where you are today. >> joyce: no, no,
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You are today. >> joyce: no, no, and i'm so glad now,
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>> joyce: no, no, and i'm so glad now, that i didn't jump ahead,
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And i'm so glad now, that i didn't jump ahead, and get out, and try
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That i didn't jump ahead, and get out, and try to start doing big things,
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And get out, and try to start doing big things, when i wasn't mature
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To start doing big things, when i wasn't mature enough to do them.
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When i wasn't mature enough to do them. and another thing that
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Enough to do them. and another thing that was challenging for me--
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And another thing that was challenging for me-- i wrote a list here,
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Was challenging for me-- i wrote a list here, was learning how to handle
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I wrote a list here, was learning how to handle rejection, betrayal,
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Was learning how to handle rejection, betrayal, and critical judgment.
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Rejection, betrayal, and critical judgment. you know, any time that you're
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And critical judgment. you know, any time that you're in front of a lot of people,
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You know, any time that you're in front of a lot of people, some people--i don't know what
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In front of a lot of people, some people--i don't know what they have to do with their time,
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Some people--i don't know what they have to do with their time, but they'll write some
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They have to do with their time, but they'll write some of the silliest things
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But they'll write some of the silliest things and send it to you.
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>> ginger: well, and today,
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>> ginger: well, and today, on social media, people are--
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On social media, people are-- everybody's getting that.
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Everybody's getting that. so, it's just rampant.
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So, it's just rampant. >> joyce: and it's usually
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>> joyce: and it's usually the people that don't have
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The people that don't have any idea what they're
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Any idea what they're talking about that do it.
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Talking about that do it. but you can get
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But you can get criticism from friends,
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Criticism from friends, you can get judgment
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You can get judgment from friends.
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From friends. i had a group of ladies
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And i experienced a real
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And i experienced a real difficult situation of betrayal,
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And i experienced a real difficult situation of betrayal, and that was very hard for me.
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Difficult situation of betrayal, and that was very hard for me. and you--
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And that was very hard for me. and you-- nobody is ever gonna like that,
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And you-- nobody is ever gonna like that, but i think if you're gonna
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Nobody is ever gonna like that, but i think if you're gonna be in front of a lot of people,
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But i think if you're gonna be in front of a lot of people, you have to learn that
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Be in front of a lot of people, you have to learn that there are gonna be times
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You have to learn that there are gonna be times when that's gonna happen,
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There are gonna be times when that's gonna happen, and you have to learn how
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When that's gonna happen, and you have to learn how to shake it off and go on,
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And you have to learn how to shake it off and go on, and remember that jesus went
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To shake it off and go on, and remember that jesus went through the exact same thing.
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And remember that jesus went through the exact same thing. >> ginger: that's what's really
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Through the exact same thing. >> ginger: that's what's really helped me is thinking about
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>> ginger: that's what's really helped me is thinking about the fact that jesus gets it.
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Helped me is thinking about the fact that jesus gets it. he was perfect
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The fact that jesus gets it. he was perfect and he still got it.
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He was perfect and he still got it. i'm far, far from perfect;
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And he still got it. i'm far, far from perfect; there are many reasons
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I'm far, far from perfect; there are many reasons to criticize me.
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There are many reasons to criticize me. and yet, he understands it,
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To criticize me. and yet, he understands it, and he helps.
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And yet, he understands it, and he helps. so, how did he teach you
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And he helps. so, how did he teach you to deal with this?
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So, how did he teach you to deal with this? let's say, you get a note,
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To deal with this? let's say, you get a note, and it's somebody,
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Let's say, you get a note, and it's somebody, and you don't like
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And it's somebody, and you don't like what they said,
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And you don't like what they said, where do you go with
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What they said, where do you go with it from there?
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Where do you go with it from there? >> joyce: well, now, if i get
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It from there? >> joyce: well, now, if i get things like that from people
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>> joyce: well, now, if i get things like that from people that i don't know, to be honest,
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Things like that from people that i don't know, to be honest, i don't pay one bit
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That i don't know, to be honest, i don't pay one bit of attention to it,
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I don't pay one bit of attention to it, because i know that
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Of attention to it, because i know that they don't have any idea,
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Because i know that they don't have any idea, most of the time,
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They don't have any idea, most of the time, what they're even talking about,
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Most of the time, what they're even talking about, because they don't know me.
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What they're even talking about, because they don't know me. and i think, you just--when you
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Because they don't know me. and i think, you just--when you go through it enough,
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And i think, you just--when you go through it enough, you make your mind up that
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Go through it enough, you make your mind up that you just can't go around
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You make your mind up that you just can't go around devastated all the time
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You just can't go around devastated all the time because of what people think.
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Devastated all the time because of what people think. >> ginger: don't dwell on it.
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Because of what people think. >> ginger: don't dwell on it. >> joyce: and you have
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>> ginger: don't dwell on it. >> joyce: and you have to know if your heart's
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>> joyce: and you have to know if your heart's right before god.
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To know if your heart's right before god. that, you know--
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Right before god. that, you know-- that he'll teach you what
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That, you know-- that he'll teach you what he wants you to know.
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That he'll teach you what he wants you to know. now, i don't just,
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He wants you to know. now, i don't just, not ever pay any attention
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Now, i don't just, not ever pay any attention to what people say.
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Not ever pay any attention to what people say. i mean, if something
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To what people say. i mean, if something makes sense, or if we get--
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I mean, if something makes sense, or if we get-- if we get several people
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Makes sense, or if we get-- if we get several people saying the same thing,
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If we get several people saying the same thing, then especially,
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Saying the same thing, then especially, we'll listen to it.
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Then especially, we'll listen to it. and, you know, we laugh about
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We'll listen to it. and, you know, we laugh about when i first started trying
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And, you know, we laugh about when i first started trying to interview different people
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When i first started trying to interview different people on the tv show, and we started
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To interview different people on the tv show, and we started getting letters, you know,
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On the tv show, and we started getting letters, you know, "joyce needs to let
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Getting letters, you know, "joyce needs to let the guests talk."
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"joyce needs to let the guests talk." and we found out,
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The guests talk." and we found out, pretty soon, that,
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And we found out, pretty soon, that, that's really not my wheelhouse.
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Pretty soon, that, that's really not my wheelhouse. it's not--
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That's really not my wheelhouse. it's not-- that's not the--
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It's not-- that's not the-- i've gotten better at it now,
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That's not the-- i've gotten better at it now, and i can do it,
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I've gotten better at it now, and i can do it, but it's still not
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And i can do it, but it's still not my wheelhouse,
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But it's still not my wheelhouse, because i'm a teacher.
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My wheelhouse, because i'm a teacher. i'm not one to--
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Because i'm a teacher. i'm not one to-- you know, i would ask
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I'm not one to-- you know, i would ask them a question,
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You know, i would ask them a question, and if they weren't saying
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Them a question, and if they weren't saying what i want 'em to say,
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And if they weren't saying what i want 'em to say, i'd try to route 'em
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What i want 'em to say, i'd try to route 'em around to the place
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I'd try to route 'em around to the place that i wanted them to be.
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Around to the place that i wanted them to be. >> ginger: "here's the point.
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That i wanted them to be. >> ginger: "here's the point. here's what you should
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>> ginger: "here's the point. here's what you should be saying."
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Here's what you should be saying." >> joyce: yeah, you know,
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Be saying." >> joyce: yeah, you know, "here's the point."
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>> joyce: yeah, you know, "here's the point." and--so, it's not that
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"here's the point." and--so, it's not that i'll never listen to anybody,
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And--so, it's not that i'll never listen to anybody, but you can't let people
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I'll never listen to anybody, but you can't let people just rip you apart
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But you can't let people just rip you apart and tear you apart.
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Just rip you apart and tear you apart. i mean, you know,
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And tear you apart. i mean, you know, you get letters
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I mean, you know, you get letters that are--silly things.
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You get letters that are--silly things. somebody wrote in, one time,
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That are--silly things. somebody wrote in, one time, and said you need
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Somebody wrote in, one time, and said you need to go to joyce's hairdresser."
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And said you need to go to joyce's hairdresser." and the funny thing was,
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To go to joyce's hairdresser." and the funny thing was, that's who you went to.
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And the funny thing was, that's who you went to. >> ginger: [chuckling]
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That's who you went to. >> ginger: [chuckling] at the time, we were going
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>> ginger: [chuckling] at the time, we were going to the same person.
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At the time, we were going to the same person. >> joyce: we were going
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To the same person. >> joyce: we were going to the same person.
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>> joyce: we were going to the same person. and so, but you know,
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To the same person. and so, but you know, you can be a young mom,
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And so, but you know, you can be a young mom, raising your kids and you'll
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You can be a young mom, raising your kids and you'll find another young mom
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Raising your kids and you'll find another young mom that wants to criticize
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Find another young mom that wants to criticize you because you're not
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That wants to criticize you because you're not doing it the way she's doing it.
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You because you're not doing it the way she's doing it. i don't care what you do,
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Doing it the way she's doing it. i don't care what you do, especially, in the world today,
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I don't care what you do, especially, in the world today, there's so--
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Especially, in the world today, there's so-- it's so easy for people
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There's so-- it's so easy for people to give their opinions.
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It's so easy for people to give their opinions. and most of them are based
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To give their opinions. and most of them are based on a total lack of knowledge.
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And most of them are based on a total lack of knowledge. they really don't even know
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On a total lack of knowledge. they really don't even know what they're talking about.
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They really don't even know what they're talking about. and so, i think you have
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What they're talking about. and so, i think you have to consider the source.
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And so, i think you have to consider the source. you have to look at--
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To consider the source. you have to look at-- you know, i really believe
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You have to look at-- you know, i really believe if god wants to correct
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You know, i really believe if god wants to correct me that he'll try
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If god wants to correct me that he'll try to do it himself first,
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Me that he'll try to do it himself first, and if i won't listen,
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To do it himself first, and if i won't listen, he may send somebody
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And if i won't listen, he may send somebody else to do it,
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He may send somebody else to do it, but it's not gonna be somebody
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Else to do it, but it's not gonna be somebody that i don't know,
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But it's not gonna be somebody that i don't know, that i've never heard of.
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That i don't know, that i've never heard of. it's gonna be somebody
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That i've never heard of. it's gonna be somebody that i respect,
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It's gonna be somebody that i respect, that i will listen to.
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That i respect, that i will listen to. >> ginger: yeah, so,
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That i will listen to. >> ginger: yeah, so, you say that,
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>> ginger: yeah, so, you say that, "we need to go through,
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And that's really huge,
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And that's really huge, is not to let it change
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Is not to let it change your outlook on people.
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Your outlook on people. >> joyce: right, you can't
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>> joyce: right, you can't let your heart get hard.
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Let your heart get hard. and you don't wanna start
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And you don't wanna start isolating yourself,
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Isolating yourself, and thinking,
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And thinking, "well, i'm just gonna stay
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"well, i'm just gonna stay away from people because
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Away from people because that's the only way i can
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>> ginger: you also, talk about,
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>> ginger: you also, talk about, "learning to say, 'no.'"
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>> ginger: you also, talk about, "learning to say, 'no.'" was that a big lesson
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"learning to say, 'no.'" was that a big lesson for you in ministry?
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Was that a big lesson for you in ministry? >> joyce: yeah, and it took
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For you in ministry? >> joyce: yeah, and it took me a long time to do it.
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>> joyce: yeah, and it took me a long time to do it. >> ginger: did it?
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Me a long time to do it. >> ginger: did it? >> joyce: you know,
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>> ginger: did it? >> joyce: you know, i made myself sick,
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>> joyce: you know, i made myself sick, really, three times.
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I made myself sick, really, three times. the last time, i didn't get
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Really, three times. the last time, i didn't get over it very quick,
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The last time, i didn't get over it very quick, just because i didn't wanna
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Over it very quick, just because i didn't wanna hurt people's feelings
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Just because i didn't wanna hurt people's feelings and tell them "no."
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Hurt people's feelings and tell them "no." and i think,
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And tell them "no." and i think, when you've waited a long,
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And i think, when you've waited a long, long time to do something,
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When you've waited a long, long time to do something, and then when the opportunities
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Long time to do something, and then when the opportunities start coming, it's very
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And then when the opportunities start coming, it's very difficult to know what
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Start coming, it's very difficult to know what to say, "yes," to,
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Difficult to know what to say, "yes," to, and what to say, "no," to.
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To say, "yes," to, and what to say, "no," to. >> ginger: and that's true
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And what to say, "no," to. >> ginger: and that's true in every life.
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>> ginger: and that's true in every life. i mean, it's just hard
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In every life. i mean, it's just hard for all of us.
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I mean, it's just hard for all of us. >> joyce: you know,
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For all of us. >> joyce: you know, there's a lot of different
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>> joyce: you know, there's a lot of different things that go into that,
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There's a lot of different things that go into that, "yes," that you just said.
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Things that go into that, "yes," that you just said. so, we really wanna make
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"yes," that you just said. so, we really wanna make sure that when we say,
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So, we really wanna make sure that when we say, "yes," that it's what
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Sure that when we say, "yes," that it's what god wants us to do,
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"yes," that it's what god wants us to do, and not just, "oh yeah,
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God wants us to do, and not just, "oh yeah, sure i can do that for you."
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And not just, "oh yeah, sure i can do that for you." and you know--
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Sure i can do that for you." and you know-- >> ginger: your heart
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And you know-- >> ginger: your heart is always to help people.
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>> ginger: your heart is always to help people. >> joyce: right,
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Is always to help people. >> joyce: right, 'cuz people always,
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>> joyce: right, 'cuz people always, "can you do me a favor
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'cuz people always, "can you do me a favor and do this?
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"can you do me a favor and do this? can you do me a favor
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And do this? can you do me a favor and do that?"
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Can you do me a favor and do that?" and it's not that
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And do that?" and it's not that you don't ever wanna
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And it's not that you don't ever wanna do favors for people,
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You don't ever wanna do favors for people, but i finally,
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Do favors for people, but i finally, find out if i'm doing favors
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But i finally, find out if i'm doing favors for everybody that asked me to,
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Find out if i'm doing favors for everybody that asked me to, then i still have everything
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For everybody that asked me to, then i still have everything to do that i need to do here.
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Then i still have everything to do that i need to do here. and i was just ending
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To do that i need to do here. and i was just ending up wearing myself out.
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And i was just ending up wearing myself out. you know, so many people,
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Up wearing myself out. you know, so many people, have so much stress
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You know, so many people, have so much stress in their life, these days.
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Have so much stress in their life, these days. and most of it would
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In their life, these days. and most of it would be eliminated if they
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And most of it would be eliminated if they would learn how to say,
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Be eliminated if they would learn how to say, "no," to things that they
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Would learn how to say, "no," to things that they really don't believe that
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"no," to things that they really don't believe that they should be involved in.
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Really don't believe that they should be involved in. >> ginger: well,
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They should be involved in. >> ginger: well, let's talk about that.
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>> ginger: well, let's talk about that. that is such a great point.
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Let's talk about that. that is such a great point. so, whether you are a leader,
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That is such a great point. so, whether you are a leader, or a mother who's
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So, whether you are a leader, or a mother who's raising a family,
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Or a mother who's raising a family, or someone who is trying
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Raising a family, or someone who is trying to create a vision that
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Or someone who is trying to create a vision that god has given you,
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To create a vision that god has given you, how do you stay fresh
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God has given you, how do you stay fresh in all of that?
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How do you stay fresh in all of that? not get burnt out.
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In all of that? not get burnt out. how do you keep
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Not get burnt out. how do you keep the vision alive?
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How do you keep the vision alive? >> joyce: i think you have
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The vision alive? >> joyce: i think you have to figure out what
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>> joyce: i think you have to figure out what it is that you need.
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To figure out what it is that you need. you know, when you're
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It is that you need. you know, when you're helping other people,
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You know, when you're helping other people, naturally, there's a lot
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Helping other people, naturally, there's a lot of sacrifice involved,
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Naturally, there's a lot of sacrifice involved, but that's not all that
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Of sacrifice involved, but that's not all that god has asked you to do.
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But that's not all that god has asked you to do. he also, wants you to take
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And so, there are certain
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And so, there are certain things that i like to do,
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Things that i like to do, that i finally,
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That i finally, had to make room,
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Had to make room, in my life, to do them.
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In my life, to do them. i enjoy working out.
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I enjoy working out. so, i do that three days a week.
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So, i do that three days a week. i like doing it with a trainer.
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I like doing it with a trainer. so, i have a trainer,
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So, i have a trainer, because i know if i did
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Because i know if i did it by myself, that i probably,
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It by myself, that i probably, would miss more days,
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Would miss more days, than i would,
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Than i would, if i had a trainer.
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If i had a trainer. and i really need and enjoy
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And i really need and enjoy quiet time, alone.
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Quiet time, alone. and i don't run around
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And i don't run around every evening, going every
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There was a time in that,
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There was a time in that, for my life.
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There was a time in that, for my life. i was always on the go,
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For my life. i was always on the go, always doing something.
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I was always on the go, always doing something. most evenings, if i'm not
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Always doing something. most evenings, if i'm not on the road, speaking,
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Most evenings, if i'm not on the road, speaking, i stay home.
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On the road, speaking, i stay home. i like to be quiet
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I stay home. i like to be quiet and be at home.
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I like to be quiet and be at home. and you know, you like
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And be at home. and you know, you like different things than i do.
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And you know, you like different things than i do. and you make sure
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Different things than i do. and you make sure that you do them.
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And you make sure that you do them. you like to hike.
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That you do them. you like to hike. i mean, i would not
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You like to hike. i mean, i would not like to hike.
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I mean, i would not like to hike. i'll just say that.
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Like to hike. i'll just say that. >> ginger: would not
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I'll just say that. >> ginger: would not be your choice.
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>> ginger: would not be your choice. >> joyce: that would not be
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Be your choice. >> joyce: that would not be my choice of something to do.
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>> joyce: that would not be my choice of something to do. so, you have to--
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My choice of something to do. so, you have to-- i wanna say this the right way,
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So, you have to-- i wanna say this the right way, so it's not misunderstood.
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I wanna say this the right way, so it's not misunderstood. but when you're
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So it's not misunderstood. but when you're in a ministry position,
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But when you're in a ministry position, most everybody who
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In a ministry position, most everybody who comes to you, wants you
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Most everybody who comes to you, wants you to do something for them.
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Comes to you, wants you to do something for them. they want you to help them.
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To do something for them. they want you to help them. and so, you don't always
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They want you to help them. and so, you don't always have people that are there
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And so, you don't always have people that are there just to help you, and--
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Have people that are there just to help you, and-- many times you do.
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Just to help you, and-- many times you do. i mean, i have a lot
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Many times you do. i mean, i have a lot of wonderful people
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I mean, i have a lot of wonderful people that help me with
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Of wonderful people that help me with a lot of things.
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That help me with a lot of things. but i've also,
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A lot of things. but i've also, found out that i have
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But i've also, found out that i have to be willing to do things
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Found out that i have to be willing to do things for myself that i enjoy,
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To be willing to do things for myself that i enjoy, and that there's absolutely
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For myself that i enjoy, and that there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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And that there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. and if you don't,
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Nothing wrong with that. and if you don't, what you get is burnout.
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And if you don't, what you get is burnout. and then, you don't
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What you get is burnout. and then, you don't wanna do any of it.
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And then, you don't wanna do any of it. >> ginger: right.
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Wanna do any of it. >> ginger: right. you say this, and i think,
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>> ginger: right. you say this, and i think, this is so, good:
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You say this, and i think, this is so, good: "there's a difference
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This is so, good: "there's a difference between working for god
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"there's a difference between working for god and spending time with god."
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Between working for god and spending time with god." and that was one of those
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And spending time with god." and that was one of those things you learned in that--
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And that was one of those things you learned in that-- especially, i'm sure,
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Things you learned in that-- especially, i'm sure, in the beginning
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Especially, i'm sure, in the beginning of the ministry,
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In the beginning of the ministry, is there's much to do,
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Of the ministry, is there's much to do, that it would be easy
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Is there's much to do, that it would be easy to be doing everything
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That it would be easy to be doing everything on your list,
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To be doing everything on your list, and not having the time that
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On your list, and not having the time that you needed to spend with god.
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And not having the time that you needed to spend with god. >> joyce: well, when i was
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You needed to spend with god. >> joyce: well, when i was still working at the church
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>> joyce: well, when i was still working at the church that i worked at,
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Still working at the church that i worked at, i was driving to work,
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That i worked at, i was driving to work, one morning, and the lord
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I was driving to work, one morning, and the lord just spoke to my heart
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One morning, and the lord just spoke to my heart and he said, "you're so proud
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Just spoke to my heart and he said, "you're so proud of yourself because
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And he said, "you're so proud of yourself because you work for me.
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Of yourself because you work for me. but the problem is,
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You work for me. but the problem is, you don't spend
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But the problem is, you don't spend any time with me."
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You don't spend any time with me." and boy, that hit me like
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Any time with me." and boy, that hit me like a ton of bricks, because--
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And boy, that hit me like a ton of bricks, because-- and, i think, probably,
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A ton of bricks, because-- and, i think, probably, a lot of ministers,
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And, i think, probably, a lot of ministers, or people in ministry,
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A lot of ministers, or people in ministry, are guilty of this.
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Or people in ministry, are guilty of this. they think that going out
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Are guilty of this. they think that going out and preaching to someone,
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They think that going out and preaching to someone, is their time with god,
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And preaching to someone, is their time with god, but it's not.
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Is their time with god, but it's not. see, i--that--
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But it's not. see, i--that-- i'm ministering.
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See, i--that-- i'm ministering. i'm giving out.
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I'm ministering. i'm giving out. this is exactly why jesus
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I'm giving out. this is exactly why jesus would slip away from
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This is exactly why jesus would slip away from the crowds all the time
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Would slip away from the crowds all the time and go get by himself.
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The crowds all the time and go get by himself. if we don't stay built up,
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And go get by himself. if we don't stay built up, and stay fresh, then,
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If we don't stay built up, and stay fresh, then, pretty soon,
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And stay fresh, then, pretty soon, you have nothing
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Pretty soon, you have nothing to give anybody.
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You have nothing to give anybody. >> ginger: yeah, yeah.
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To give anybody. >> ginger: yeah, yeah. that's a really great.
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>> ginger: yeah, yeah. that's a really great. what about being confident
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That's a really great. what about being confident in what you're doing?
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What about being confident in what you're doing? because, like you said,
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In what you're doing? because, like you said, when you are
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Because, like you said, when you are in a public position,
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When you are in a public position, and there are people tearing
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In a public position, and there are people tearing you down in different ways,
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And there are people tearing you down in different ways, there are also,
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You down in different ways, there are also, a lot of people lifting you up.
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There are also, a lot of people lifting you up. so, how do you find that
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A lot of people lifting you up. so, how do you find that balance between keeping,
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So, how do you find that balance between keeping, your confident in what god
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Balance between keeping, your confident in what god wants you to do and your
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Your confident in what god wants you to do and your confidence in christ,
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Wants you to do and your confidence in christ, and not having
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>> joyce: well, first of all,
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>> joyce: well, first of all, i think you have
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I think you have to learn what you're not.
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To learn what you're not. and god has done
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And god has done me the great favor of teaching
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Me the great favor of teaching me that over and over.
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Me that over and over. so, i know that there's
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So, i know that there's no way that i can do,
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No way that i can do, what i'm doing,
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What i'm doing, if god wasn't doing
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If god wasn't doing it through me.
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It through me. i mean, it just would
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I mean, it just would be impossible.
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Be impossible. you couldn't--
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You couldn't-- i couldn't do it.
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I couldn't do it. and any time i've gotten
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And any time i've gotten a little bit full of myself,
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A little bit full of myself, he's put me in my place,
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He's put me in my place, and i'm glad that he has.
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And i'm glad that he has. but god has taught
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But god has taught me that one of the things
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Throughout a conference,
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Throughout a conference, is my confidence.
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Throughout a conference, is my confidence. i have to be confident that
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Is my confidence. i have to be confident that i have the right message,
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I have to be confident that i have the right message, for the right people.
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I have the right message, for the right people. and i can't let
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For the right people. and i can't let the people's faces,
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And i can't let the people's faces, or them looking at their watch,
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The people's faces, or them looking at their watch, or if somebody gets up and goes
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Or them looking at their watch, or if somebody gets up and goes to the bathroom;
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Or if somebody gets up and goes to the bathroom; i can't think,
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To the bathroom; i can't think, "oh, they don't like
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I can't think, "oh, they don't like my preaching.
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"oh, they don't like my preaching. they're leaving."
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My preaching. they're leaving." you know, i mean, i used to--
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They're leaving." you know, i mean, i used to-- i would preach my heart out,
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You know, i mean, i used to-- i would preach my heart out, and then, always,
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I would preach my heart out, and then, always, i would go to my hotel
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And then, always, i would go to my hotel room and think,
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I would go to my hotel room and think, "oh, i had the wrong message.
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Room and think, "oh, i had the wrong message. that wasn't right.
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"oh, i had the wrong message. that wasn't right. that was--"
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That wasn't right. that was--" i'd think of everything
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That was--" i'd think of everything that i did,
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I'd think of everything that i did, that i shouldn't have done.
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That i did, that i shouldn't have done. and, you know,
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That i shouldn't have done. and, you know, if i didn't get 25 compliments,
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And, you know, if i didn't get 25 compliments, i was sure that it was a mess,
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If i didn't get 25 compliments, i was sure that it was a mess, and i was just miserable.
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I was sure that it was a mess, and i was just miserable. and so, god really
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And i was just miserable. and so, god really taught me that you--
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And so, god really taught me that you-- i do the best i can,
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Taught me that you-- i do the best i can, before i ever get
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I do the best i can, before i ever get to the platform,
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Before i ever get to the platform, i study, i study hard.
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To the platform, i study, i study hard. i really work hard at picking
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I study, i study hard. i really work hard at picking what i feel right about,
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I really work hard at picking what i feel right about, in my heart.
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What i feel right about, in my heart. and so, i'm not being lazy,
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In my heart. and so, i'm not being lazy, and i go, and i trust
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And so, i'm not being lazy, and i go, and i trust god to bring it out
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And i go, and i trust god to bring it out of me in the right way.
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God to bring it out of me in the right way. and so, you have to maintain
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Of me in the right way. and so, you have to maintain your confidence because
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And so, you have to maintain your confidence because if the devil can take
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Your confidence because if the devil can take your confidence,
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If the devil can take your confidence, and get you afraid,
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Your confidence, and get you afraid, then he ends up running
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And get you afraid, then he ends up running the whole thing,
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Then he ends up running the whole thing, and you end up being a loser,
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The whole thing, and you end up being a loser, and people don't get anything.
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And you end up being a loser, and people don't get anything. >> ginger: right.
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And people don't get anything. >> ginger: right. well, i wanna make sure
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>> ginger: right. well, i wanna make sure that we talk about some
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Well, i wanna make sure that we talk about some of those things that
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That we talk about some of those things that are most important to you.
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Of those things that are most important to you. tell me another one,
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Are most important to you. tell me another one, on your list,
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Tell me another one, on your list, that you think is really
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On your list, that you think is really valuable for our
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That you think is really valuable for our friends to hear.
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Valuable for our friends to hear. >> joyce: well, my husband
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Friends to hear. >> joyce: well, my husband and i are in ministry together,
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>> joyce: well, my husband and i are in ministry together, and learning how to do that
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And i are in ministry together, and learning how to do that peacefully was a challenge.
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And learning how to do that peacefully was a challenge. i think it's important that dave
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Peacefully was a challenge. i think it's important that dave and i are both in the ministry.
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I think it's important that dave and i are both in the ministry. i think it says a lot to people.
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And i are both in the ministry. i think it says a lot to people. and when i'm on the platform,
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I think it says a lot to people. and when i'm on the platform, i'm in charge
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And when i'm on the platform, i'm in charge of what's going on.
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I'm in charge of what's going on. dave understands that.
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Of what's going on. dave understands that. he never tries to tell
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Dave understands that. he never tries to tell me what to do,
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He never tries to tell me what to do, when i'm up there.
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Me what to do, when i'm up there. there's maybe been two
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When i'm up there. there's maybe been two or three times that he's said,
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There's maybe been two or three times that he's said, "you know, i don't think
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Or three times that he's said, "you know, i don't think you should have said that,"
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"you know, i don't think you should have said that," or, "i don't think you
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You should have said that," or, "i don't think you should say that,"
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Or, "i don't think you should say that," and i always listen to him.
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Should say that," and i always listen to him. but when i come down
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And i always listen to him. but when i come down off that platform,
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But when i come down off that platform, i'm dave meyer's wife again.
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Off that platform, i'm dave meyer's wife again. and people say to him,
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I'm dave meyer's wife again. and people say to him, all the time,
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And people say to him, all the time, "are you joyce meyer's husband?"
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All the time, "are you joyce meyer's husband?" and he says,
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"are you joyce meyer's husband?" and he says, "no, she's my wife."
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And he says, "no, she's my wife." and so, i--
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"no, she's my wife." and so, i-- god had to teach me,
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And so, i-- god had to teach me, "you're not dave's teacher.
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God had to teach me, "you're not dave's teacher. you know, you don't have
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"you're not dave's teacher. you know, you don't have to try to teach him everything
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You know, you don't have to try to teach him everything that you're getting ready
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To try to teach him everything that you're getting ready to teach the people."
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That you're getting ready to teach the people." i don't need to correct him,
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To teach the people." i don't need to correct him, if he's not doing everything
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I don't need to correct him, if he's not doing everything that i think that
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If he's not doing everything that i think that he should be doing.
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That i think that he should be doing. and dave, and i worked
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He should be doing. and dave, and i worked it out pretty good,
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And dave, and i worked it out pretty good, where we both had our
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It out pretty good, where we both had our areas in ministry.
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Where we both had our areas in ministry. he handled the finances,
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Areas in ministry. he handled the finances, he did a lot of the getting
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He handled the finances, he did a lot of the getting me on radio stations,
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He did a lot of the getting me on radio stations, getting me on television
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Me on radio stations, getting me on television stations.
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Getting me on television stations. and i handled the teaching,
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Stations. and i handled the teaching, and i handled most
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And i handled the teaching, and i handled most of the correction,
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And i handled most of the correction, or though the hiring of people,
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Of the correction, or though the hiring of people, and the counseling
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Or though the hiring of people, and the counseling and things like that.
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And the counseling and things like that. and we learned to respect
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And things like that. and we learned to respect each other's positions
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And we learned to respect each other's positions and not get involved
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Each other's positions and not get involved in them unless we really
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And not get involved in them unless we really felt like that it was
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In them unless we really felt like that it was totally necessary.
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Felt like that it was totally necessary. and then, the last thing that
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Totally necessary. and then, the last thing that i think i have time to say is,
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And then, the last thing that i think i have time to say is, i had to learn how
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I think i have time to say is, i had to learn how to enjoy the ministry.
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I had to learn how to enjoy the ministry. >> ginger: that is so important.
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To enjoy the ministry. >> ginger: that is so important. if we miss that,
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>> ginger: that is so important. if we miss that, what's the point?
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If we miss that, what's the point? >> joyce: i was working
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What's the point? >> joyce: i was working so hard at it,
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>> joyce: i was working so hard at it, and i wasn't enjoying it.
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So hard at it, and i wasn't enjoying it. and i'd go out and do
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And i wasn't enjoying it. and i'd go out and do a conference and i would
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And i'd go out and do a conference and i would be thinking, "i'll be glad
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A conference and i would be thinking, "i'll be glad when this is over,
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Be thinking, "i'll be glad when this is over, so i can go home
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When this is over, so i can go home and enjoy myself."
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So i can go home and enjoy myself." well, i've done
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And enjoy myself." well, i've done so many conferences,
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Well, i've done so many conferences, and stood on so many platforms,
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So many conferences, and stood on so many platforms, in the 45 years that
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And stood on so many platforms, in the 45 years that i've been doing this,
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In the 45 years that i've been doing this, that i finally, thought,
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I've been doing this, that i finally, thought, "i practically live up here.
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That i finally, thought, "i practically live up here. so, if i don't learn
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"i practically live up here. so, if i don't learn how to enjoy this,
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So, if i don't learn how to enjoy this, then i'm gonna miss
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How to enjoy this, then i'm gonna miss my whole life."
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Then i'm gonna miss my whole life." and so, i have learned
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My whole life." and so, i have learned how to enjoy it.
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And so, i have learned how to enjoy it. and the only way you can
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How to enjoy it. and the only way you can do that is if you're, yourself.
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And the only way you can do that is if you're, yourself. i can't get up there
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Do that is if you're, yourself. i can't get up there and try to impress people,
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I can't get up there and try to impress people, and pretend that
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And try to impress people, and pretend that i'm something that i'm not.
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And pretend that i'm something that i'm not. i have to be the same
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I'm something that i'm not. i have to be the same there as i am at home.
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I have to be the same there as i am at home. and it's very important
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There as i am at home. and it's very important for everybody to enjoy
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And it's very important for everybody to enjoy what they're doing.
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For everybody to enjoy what they're doing. if you're raising kids,
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What they're doing. if you're raising kids, enjoy your kids.
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If you're raising kids, enjoy your kids. don't just try
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Enjoy your kids. don't just try to be the perfect mom
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Don't just try to be the perfect mom and do everything just right;
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To be the perfect mom and do everything just right; make sure you take
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And do everything just right; make sure you take time to enjoy them.
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Make sure you take time to enjoy them. the bible says that a woman
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Time to enjoy them. the bible says that a woman should enjoy her husband.
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The bible says that a woman should enjoy her husband. and every time,
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Should enjoy her husband. and every time, i say that in a meeting,
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And every time, i say that in a meeting, women laugh.
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I say that in a meeting, women laugh. but it is important to--
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Women laugh. but it is important to-- you work hard, here.
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But it is important to-- you work hard, here. and it would be easy to just
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You work hard, here. and it would be easy to just get caught up in the doing
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And it would be easy to just get caught up in the doing of the work and not enjoy it.
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Get caught up in the doing of the work and not enjoy it. >> ginger: yeah.
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Of the work and not enjoy it. >> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: but we need
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>> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: but we need to take the time to enjoy
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>> joyce: but we need to take the time to enjoy what we're doing.
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To take the time to enjoy what we're doing. >> ginger: yeah, i think that
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What we're doing. >> ginger: yeah, i think that is a great reminder
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>> ginger: yeah, i think that is a great reminder to end this with.
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Is a great reminder to end this with. because there are people
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To end this with. because there are people who are so passionate
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Because there are people who are so passionate about what they're doing,
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Who are so passionate about what they're doing, and so caught
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About what they're doing, and so caught up in wanting to see--
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And so caught up in wanting to see-- "here's where i am now,"
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Up in wanting to see-- "here's where i am now," wanting to be here,
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"here's where i am now," wanting to be here, that they're missing
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Wanting to be here, that they're missing the enjoyment in all that
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That they're missing the enjoyment in all that god is giving them,
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The enjoyment in all that god is giving them, at every stage, along the way,
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God is giving them, at every stage, along the way, in wherever it takes them.
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At every stage, along the way, in wherever it takes them. >> joyce: enjoying where
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In wherever it takes them. >> joyce: enjoying where you're at on the way
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>> joyce: enjoying where you're at on the way to where you're going.
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You're at on the way to where you're going. >> ginger: absolutely.
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To where you're going. >> ginger: absolutely. thank you, joyce.
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>> ginger: absolutely. thank you, joyce. that is such powerful,
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Thank you, joyce. that is such powerful, just rich material,
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That is such powerful, just rich material, and i think it does apply
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Just rich material, and i think it does apply to so many of us,
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And i think it does apply to so many of us, in different aspects
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To so many of us, in different aspects of our life.
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In different aspects of our life. really great stuff.
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Of our life. really great stuff. >> joyce: all i can say is,
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Really great stuff. >> joyce: all i can say is, i'm glad that i'm on the other
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>> joyce: all i can say is, i'm glad that i'm on the other side of a lot of stuff, now.
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I'm glad that i'm on the other side of a lot of stuff, now. >> ginger: it's always good,
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Side of a lot of stuff, now. >> ginger: it's always good, when you learn those lessons,
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>> ginger: it's always good, when you learn those lessons, and you look back, and you say,
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When you learn those lessons, and you look back, and you say, "thank you, lord."
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And you look back, and you say, "thank you, lord." >> joyce: that's right.
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"thank you, lord." >> joyce: that's right. >> ginger: well, great
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>> joyce: that's right. >> ginger: well, great conversation, thank you.
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>> ginger: well, great conversation, thank you. >> joyce: thank you.
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>> announcer: we're all
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>> announcer: we're all searching for something more,
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Something more significant, something deeper.
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Something deeper. believing is important,
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Believing is important, but truly knowing
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But truly knowing is a journey beyond belief.
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Is a journey beyond belief. if our heart is convinced,
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If our heart is convinced, that's when we're
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That's when we're willing to change.
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Willing to change. and truly knowing god,
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And truly knowing god, changes everything.
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Changes everything.
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>> ginger: you know,
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>> ginger: you know, god knows us better
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God knows us better than we know ourselves.
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Than we know ourselves. and he desires a close,
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And he desires a close, personal relationship
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Personal relationship with each of us.
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With each of us. when i desperately want
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When i desperately want more of him in my life, i ask
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More of him in my life, i ask him to show me what's missing.
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Him to show me what's missing. this gives me a chance to focus
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This gives me a chance to focus on him and all of the amazing
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On him and all of the amazing things that he does,
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Things that he does, giving me a better
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Giving me a better understanding of who he is,
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Understanding of who he is, his unconditional love,
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His unconditional love, and his character.
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Joyce Meyer - Facing Difficult Things

September 5, 2025 | S E | 29:29

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