Joyce Meyer - The Greatest Change of All (Part 2)

May 16, 2025 | S25:E18

Tired of waiting for your change to happen? Today, Joyce shares how spending time in God’s Word and relaxing in His presence will help spark your transformation.

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Joyce Meyer: Enjoying Everyday Life | Joyce Meyer - The Greatest Change of All (Part 2) | May 16, 2025

>> joyce: it's hard to let
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>> joyce: it's hard to let go of things that you
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>> joyce: it's hard to let go of things that you don't wanna let go of.
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Go of things that you don't wanna let go of. maybe there's some people
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Don't wanna let go of. maybe there's some people in your life that you need
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Maybe there's some people in your life that you need to not be hanging out
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In your life that you need to not be hanging out with anymore.
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>> joyce: i'm joyce meyer.
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>> joyce: i'm joyce meyer. i've seen god's power
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>> joyce: i'm joyce meyer. i've seen god's power transform my own life,
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I've seen god's power transform my own life, and he will do it for you.
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>> joyce: when god starts
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>> joyce: when god starts changing you, it always
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>> joyce: when god starts changing you, it always means that you're gonna
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Changing you, it always means that you're gonna have to let go of something
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Means that you're gonna have to let go of something and take hold of something.
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Have to let go of something and take hold of something. you gettin' this?
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And take hold of something. you gettin' this? you're gonna have to let
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You gettin' this? you're gonna have to let go of something, and it may
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You're gonna have to let go of something, and it may be something you wanna keep.
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And maybe god's gonna want
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And maybe god's gonna want you to stay some place
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And maybe god's gonna want you to stay some place that you wanna leave,
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You to stay some place that you wanna leave, or leave some place
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That you wanna leave, or leave some place that you wanna stay.
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Or leave some place that you wanna stay. i don't know.
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That you wanna stay. i don't know. maybe you don't
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I don't know. maybe you don't go to church here,
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Maybe you don't go to church here, you're going to a dead
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Go to church here, you're going to a dead church somewhere.
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You're going to a dead church somewhere. you're not learning anything,
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Church somewhere. you're not learning anything, but your friends
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You're not learning anything, but your friends all go there so you don't--
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But your friends all go there so you don't-- you don't wanna leave and make
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All go there so you don't-- you don't wanna leave and make mama mad and grandma mad
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You don't wanna leave and make mama mad and grandma mad if you leave, so.
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Mama mad and grandma mad if you leave, so. you'll just stay there
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If you leave, so. you'll just stay there and stay spiritually stupid
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You'll just stay there and stay spiritually stupid all your life, you know.
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And stay spiritually stupid all your life, you know. >> [audience laughing]
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All your life, you know. >> [audience laughing] >> joyce: i gotta book here
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>> [audience laughing] >> joyce: i gotta book here that i'm reading on satan.
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>> joyce: i gotta book here that i'm reading on satan. i decided i'm gonna write
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That i'm reading on satan. i decided i'm gonna write a book on the devil.
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I decided i'm gonna write a book on the devil. >> [audience applauding]
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>> joyce: "the devil is real."
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>> joyce: "the devil is real." and there are so many good
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>> joyce: "the devil is real." and there are so many good things in this book, but one
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And there are so many good things in this book, but one of the things he says is,
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Things in this book, but one of the things he says is, "the devil gets to church before
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Of the things he says is, "the devil gets to church before the preacher or before any
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"the devil gets to church before the preacher or before any of the people in the pew."
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The preacher or before any of the people in the pew." >> [audience laughing]
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Of the people in the pew." >> [audience laughing] >> joyce: and if you wanna get
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>> [audience laughing] >> joyce: and if you wanna get rid of him, all you gotta do,
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>> joyce: and if you wanna get rid of him, all you gotta do, is do nothing but preach
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Rid of him, all you gotta do, is do nothing but preach legalism and dead orthodoxy
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Is do nothing but preach legalism and dead orthodoxy from the pulpit and he'll leave
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Legalism and dead orthodoxy from the pulpit and he'll leave and go to a church somewhere
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From the pulpit and he'll leave and go to a church somewhere where they're really
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And go to a church somewhere where they're really trying to help people.
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Where they're really trying to help people. >> [audience laughing]
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Trying to help people. >> [audience laughing] >> joyce: so, maybe--
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>> [audience laughing] >> joyce: so, maybe-- you know, i don't know,
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>> joyce: so, maybe-- you know, i don't know, maybe god's dealing with you.
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You know, i don't know, maybe god's dealing with you. you know, "you ain't learning
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Maybe god's dealing with you. you know, "you ain't learning anything here, you need
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You know, "you ain't learning anything here, you need to go to one of those wild,
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Anything here, you need to go to one of those wild, crazy churches, you know,
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To go to one of those wild, crazy churches, you know, where they actually worship.
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Crazy churches, you know, where they actually worship. put their hands up,
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Where they actually worship. put their hands up, maybe dance once in a while,"
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Put their hands up, maybe dance once in a while," you know.
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Maybe dance once in a while," you know. "i'm not gonna go over there
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You know. "i'm not gonna go over there and hang out with all those
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"i'm not gonna go over there and hang out with all those crazy, penny-costals, they--"
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And hang out with all those crazy, penny-costals, they--" >> [audience laughing]
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Crazy, penny-costals, they--" >> [audience laughing] >> joyce: not that you have
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>> [audience laughing] >> joyce: not that you have to go to a pentecostal
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>> joyce: not that you have to go to a pentecostal church, but i don't care what
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To go to a pentecostal church, but i don't care what kind of church you go to,
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Church, but i don't care what kind of church you go to, but there's got to be some
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Kind of church you go to, but there's got to be some life in it.
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But there's got to be some life in it. and what you're hearing preached
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Life in it. and what you're hearing preached should be changing you.
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And what you're hearing preached should be changing you. and if all you can do is sit
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Should be changing you. and if all you can do is sit there and just be comfortable
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And if all you can do is sit there and just be comfortable and think "i'm wonderful
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There and just be comfortable and think "i'm wonderful right where i'm at."
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And think "i'm wonderful right where i'm at." >> [audience laughing]
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>> joyce: my daughter shared
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>> joyce: my daughter shared an article with me last week.
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>> joyce: my daughter shared an article with me last week. i haven't read the whole thing
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An article with me last week. i haven't read the whole thing yet, but she told me part of it.
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I haven't read the whole thing yet, but she told me part of it. and this pastor left
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Yet, but she told me part of it. and this pastor left the pastorate after 20 years.
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And this pastor left the pastorate after 20 years. and he said he left because
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The pastorate after 20 years. and he said he left because he finally realized that
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And he said he left because he finally realized that the people he was preaching
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He finally realized that the people he was preaching to did not want to change.
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The people he was preaching to did not want to change. they only wanted to be told
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To did not want to change. they only wanted to be told that they were lovely
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They only wanted to be told that they were lovely right where they were at.
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That they were lovely right where they were at. and i like to make people
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Right where they were at. and i like to make people a little bit uncomfortable
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And i like to make people a little bit uncomfortable when i preach.
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A little bit uncomfortable when i preach. >> [audience applauding]
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When i preach. >> [audience applauding] >> joyce: i like to make people
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>> [audience applauding] >> joyce: i like to make people squirm just a little tiny bit.
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>> joyce: i like to make people squirm just a little tiny bit. i mean, i hope you have
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Squirm just a little tiny bit. i mean, i hope you have some kind of conviction
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I mean, i hope you have some kind of conviction from my preaching.
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We need to go to church because
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We need to go to church because we wanna hear something
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We need to go to church because we wanna hear something that's gonna change us,
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We wanna hear something that's gonna change us, that's gonna make
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That's gonna change us, that's gonna make us more like christ.
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That's gonna make us more like christ. romans 8:29 says,
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Us more like christ. romans 8:29 says, "we are predestined by god
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Romans 8:29 says, "we are predestined by god to be transformed into
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"we are predestined by god to be transformed into the image of jesus christ."
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To be transformed into the image of jesus christ." now, predestined doesn't
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The image of jesus christ." now, predestined doesn't mean it's automatically
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Now, predestined doesn't mean it's automatically gonna happen.
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Mean it's automatically gonna happen. it means that's god's will.
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Gonna happen. it means that's god's will. he's made his mind up,
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It means that's god's will. he's made his mind up, "this is my decision;
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He's made his mind up, "this is my decision; i want you to be changed
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"this is my decision; i want you to be changed into the image of jesus christ."
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Well, that's gonna take some
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Well, that's gonna take some changing and some work.
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Well, that's gonna take some changing and some work. and so, god says,
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Changing and some work. and so, god says, "well, you can't do it.
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And so, god says, "well, you can't do it. i'm gonna give you
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"well, you can't do it. i'm gonna give you the holy spirit
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I'm gonna give you the holy spirit and he'll do it."
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The holy spirit and he'll do it." but it's not gonna happen
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And he'll do it." but it's not gonna happen because we just stay
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But it's not gonna happen because we just stay comfortable all the time.
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Because we just stay comfortable all the time. it's hard to let go of things
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Comfortable all the time. it's hard to let go of things that you don't wanna let go of.
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It's hard to let go of things that you don't wanna let go of. maybe there's some people
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That you don't wanna let go of. maybe there's some people in your life that you need
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Maybe there's some people in your life that you need to not be hanging out
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In your life that you need to not be hanging out with anymore.
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To not be hanging out with anymore. maybe you have lunch twice
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With anymore. maybe you have lunch twice a week at work with a gossiper,
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And all they do is crab
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And all they do is crab and complain about
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And all they do is crab and complain about everything at work.
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And complain about everything at work. you don't need that.
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Everything at work. you don't need that. you don't need to just sit
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You don't need that. you don't need to just sit and let somebody dump
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You don't need to just sit and let somebody dump their garbage in you.
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"well, i don't wanna
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"well, i don't wanna eat by myself."
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"well, i don't wanna eat by myself." >> [audience laughing]
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Eat by myself." >> [audience laughing] >> joyce: well, why not?
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>> [audience laughing] >> joyce: well, why not? you might be better
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>> joyce: well, why not? you might be better company than the people
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You might be better company than the people you're hanging out with.
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Company than the people you're hanging out with. i like myself.
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You're hanging out with. i like myself. i get along pretty
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I like myself. i get along pretty well with myself now.
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I get along pretty well with myself now. how many of you know
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Well with myself now. how many of you know that you hang out with
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How many of you know that you hang out with the wrong people,
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That you hang out with the wrong people, they can poison you and keep
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You right where you're at,
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You right where you're at, keep you from growing in god.
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You right where you're at, keep you from growing in god. >> [audience applauding]
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>> [♪♪]
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>> ginger: you know, joyce,
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>> ginger: you know, joyce, i love talking with you about
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I love talking with you about different things that you've
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Different things that you've experienced in life, because
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Experienced in life, because we all learn so much from it.
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We all learn so much from it. and we all have the same
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And we all have the same questions and the same
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Questions and the same experiences.
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Experiences. so, today we're going to have
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A conversation about change.
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A conversation about change. >> joyce: uh-oh!
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>> joyce: uh-oh! >> [ladies laughing]
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>> [ladies laughing] >> ginger: and we all address
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>> ginger: and we all address change so differently.
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Change so differently. like, we're all very different
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Like, we're all very different how we look at it.
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How we look at it. i enjoy change, and i probably
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I enjoy change, and i probably pursue change too much.
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Pursue change too much. but let me tell you,
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But let me tell you, change that i don't initiate
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Change that i don't initiate or don't like sometimes,
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Or don't like sometimes, that's a whole different story.
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That's a whole different story. >> joyce: i started to say,
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>> joyce: i started to say, you can't like all change.
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You can't like all change. >> ginger: no, absolutely not.
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>> ginger: no, absolutely not. and some change is very, very
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And some change is very, very hard for me, even liking change,
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Hard for me, even liking change, therefore, for many
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Therefore, for many people, change is...
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People, change is... is always quite difficult.
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Is always quite difficult. so i think it's a great thing
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So i think it's a great thing to talk about is, how do we get
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To talk about is, how do we get through some of these changing
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Through some of these changing times in our life, and how
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Times in our life, and how to do it in a way that honors
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To do it in a way that honors god, and keeps us happier.
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God, and keeps us happier. >> joyce: well, the first thing
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>> joyce: well, the first thing that i've learned that you
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That i've learned that you have to do if you're gonna
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Have to do if you're gonna navigate change properly,
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Navigate change properly, is you have to change your
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Is you have to change your mind about change.
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Mind about change. >> ginger: think differently.
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>> ginger: think differently. >> joyce: well, part of that
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>> joyce: well, part of that means that you just have
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Means that you just have to understand that life
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To understand that life is always changing.
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Is always changing. just like our bodies change,
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Just like our bodies change, our desires change,
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Our desires change, our friends change.
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Our friends change. you have your children at home,
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You have your children at home, and then they go off to college
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And then they go off to college in another state, and end up
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In another state, and end up marrying somebody there.
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Marrying somebody there. and so now you may see
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And so now you may see them twice a year, where
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Them twice a year, where they used to be in your
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They used to be in your house all the time.
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House all the time. >> ginger: i don't enjoy
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>> ginger: i don't enjoy that change.
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That change. >> joyce: you don't enjoy that,
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>> joyce: you don't enjoy that, because it happened to you.
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Because it happened to you. >> ginger: exactly.
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>> ginger: exactly. >> joyce: and whereas three
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>> joyce: and whereas three of mine—well, one lives three
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Of mine—well, one lives three minutes away, and the other
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Minutes away, and the other two live 20 minutes away.
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Two live 20 minutes away. tell us some of the things
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Tell us some of the things maybe that you went
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Maybe that you went through when your kids
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Through when your kids moved out of town.
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Moved out of town. >> ginger: i think one of the
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>> ginger: i think one of the biggest parts of that change
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Biggest parts of that change that was really hard was
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That was really hard was just not knowing as much.
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Just not knowing as much. you know, not having that
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You know, not having that everyday connection,
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Everyday connection, constant conversations.
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Constant conversations. suddenly you feel less connected
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Suddenly you feel less connected because you are further away.
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Because you are further away. you don't know what's happening
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You don't know what's happening in their lives all the time.
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In their lives all the time. you try to ask
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You try to ask the right questions.
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The right questions. you try to connect
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You try to connect as much as you can.
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As much as you can. but that's a really hard thing.
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But that's a really hard thing. and then another one is just
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And then another one is just the house being more quiet.
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The house being more quiet. >> joyce: right.
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>> joyce: right. >> ginger: so, there are many
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>> ginger: so, there are many things that a lot of us go
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Things that a lot of us go through, seasons where
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Through, seasons where it's like, “wow, it wasn't like
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It's like, “wow, it wasn't like this just not long ago,
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This just not long ago, but here i am.”
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But here i am.” >> joyce: there's some things
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>> joyce: there's some things that we're okay with change
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That we're okay with change about, and then some things
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About, and then some things that were not, like, you change
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That were not, like, you change your hair all the time.
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Your hair all the time. you know, it'll be short,
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You know, it'll be short, then it's mid-length,
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Then it's mid-length, then it's long, then you cut it.
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Then it's long, then you cut it. my hair will never
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My hair will never be any different. (laugh)
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Be any different. (laugh) it's, i mean, this is it.
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It's, i mean, this is it. this is all i got.
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This is all i got. i probably won't get any more.
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I probably won't get any more. >> ginger: well, it's a good
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>> ginger: well, it's a good thing it works for you
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Thing it works for you so beautifully.
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So beautifully. >> joyce: and this is all
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>> joyce: and this is all i can do with it.
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I can do with it. and so it'll never,
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And so it'll never, it'll never change.
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It'll never change. >> ginger: i have no control
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>> ginger: i have no control over mine, so it just
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Over mine, so it just is always different.
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Is always different. >> joyce: it's always different
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>> joyce: it's always different because you can't control it.
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Because you can't control it. but you do have to accept
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But you do have to accept the changes in yourself
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The changes in yourself as you get older.
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As you get older. and everybody will.
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And everybody will. so i don't care if people are
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So i don't care if people are watching that are 10, someday
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Watching that are 10, someday you're gonna be 80 or 90,
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You're gonna be 80 or 90, and things will change.
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And things will change. now, we've had a lot of changes
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Now, we've had a lot of changes at the ministry in the last
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At the ministry in the last couple of years because people
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Couple of years because people are just taking in information
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Are just taking in information differently than they used to.
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Differently than they used to. i mean, when i first started
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I mean, when i first started doing this, people just
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Doing this, people just lived in conferences.
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Lived in conferences. i mean, going to a conference
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I mean, going to a conference was just like, just what
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Was just like, just what people did.
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People did. >> ginger: yeah, it's very
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>> ginger: yeah, it's very different now.
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Different now. >> joyce:everybody had what
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>> joyce:everybody had what they called camp meetings.
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They called camp meetings. and they'd have meetings that
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And they'd have meetings that were a whole week long,
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Were a whole week long, and three sessions a day.
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And three sessions a day. and there was just a real
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And there was just a real movement of love for
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Movement of love for the word of god.
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The word of god. and people still love the word,
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And people still love the word, but they take it in more now
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But they take it in more now from the internet, from youtube,
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From the internet, from youtube, from different places.
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From different places. and so we've had to change
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And so we've had to change and not do as many conferences,
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And not do as many conferences, and do more things where
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And do more things where we can make use of our
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We can make use of our television ministry.
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Television ministry. we still do some conferences,
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We still do some conferences, but not like we used to.
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But not like we used to. >> ginger: and those are hard
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>> ginger: and those are hard things to adjust to.
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Things to adjust to. >> joyce: well, it was very
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>> joyce: well, it was very hard for me to adjust
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Hard for me to adjust from preaching to people,
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From preaching to people, to preaching to a camera.
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To preaching to a camera. >> ginger: there's still
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>> ginger: there's still people in there,
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People in there, but it looks differently
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But it looks differently while you're doing it.
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While you're doing it. >> joyce: and so,
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>> joyce: and so, but you know, you just
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But you know, you just have to make your mind up,
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Have to make your mind up, “this is the way it's gonna be.
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“this is the way it's gonna be. and so i might as well get
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And so i might as well get a good attitude about it.”
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A good attitude about it.” >> ginger: you know what, too?
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>> ginger: you know what, too? you did that so well.
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You did that so well. because when we first
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Because when we first started talking about it,
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Started talking about it, you knew it was going
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You knew it was going to be very different.
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To be very different. and you weren't sure and had,
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And you weren't sure and had, of course, some questions.
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Of course, some questions. but as you started doing it,
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But as you started doing it, i could see your determination.
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I could see your determination. you know, that this
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You know, that this is the direction that
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Is the direction that god is taking things.
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God is taking things. and i think that determination
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And i think that determination that you had really
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That you had really made a difference.
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Made a difference. >> joyce: well, and i think
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>> joyce: well, and i think the grace that god has given
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The grace that god has given me to be willing to change,
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Me to be willing to change, is part of the reason why our
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Is part of the reason why our ministry is still relevant,
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Ministry is still relevant, even though (whispering)
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Even though (whispering) “i'm 81 and a half.” (laughing)
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“i'm 81 and a half.” (laughing) >> ginger: shh.
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>> ginger: shh. >> joyce: (whispering)
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>> joyce: (whispering) “i'm 81 and a half.”
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“i'm 81 and a half.” and so, you know, it's strange
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And so, you know, it's strange for me to think that--well,
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For me to think that--well, i mean, even if god gave
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I mean, even if god gave me 15 more years, i'd be 95.
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Me 15 more years, i'd be 95. and so i don't know,
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And so i don't know, how long can i do this?
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How long can i do this? people ask me,
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People ask me, “are you gonna retire?”
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“are you gonna retire?” well, i don't plan to.
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Well, i don't plan to. but, you know, i'm at a point
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But, you know, i'm at a point in life where you just don't
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In life where you just don't know what's gonna happen
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Know what's gonna happen from day to day.
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From day to day. >> ginger: in reality, though,
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>> ginger: in reality, though, we all kind of are, aren't we?
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We all kind of are, aren't we? i mean, i understand what
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I mean, i understand what you're saying, it's different.
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You're saying, it's different. >> joyce: you're right, we are.
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>> joyce: you're right, we are. >> ginger: we all...
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>> ginger: we all... >> joyce: all any of us really
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>> joyce: all any of us really have for sure is the moment
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Have for sure is the moment we have right now.
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We have right now. that's why it's foolish
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That's why it's foolish to waste it being upset.
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To waste it being upset. it doesn't change anything.
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It doesn't change anything. and so, the first thing
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And so, the first thing to change is to change
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To change is to change your mind about change.
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Your mind about change. and there's an ending,
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And there's an ending, but there's also a brilliant
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But there's also a brilliant new beginning.
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New beginning. and the thing that frightens
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And the thing that frightens us is, we don't know what it is.
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Us is, we don't know what it is. we don't know what that's...
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We don't know what that's... >> ginger: it is fear, isn't it?
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>> ginger: it is fear, isn't it? it's fear of the unknown.
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It's fear of the unknown. >> joyce: there are so many
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>> joyce: there are so many people, i'm sure, watching
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People, i'm sure, watching that are going through
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That are going through changes that they hate.
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Changes that they hate. maybe somebody's spouse
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Maybe somebody's spouse has walked off and left them,
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Has walked off and left them, and you've got that pain
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And you've got that pain in your soul to deal with.
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In your soul to deal with. and the thing that i would
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And the thing that i would really like to say about that
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Really like to say about that is in almost all cases,
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Is in almost all cases, if--say, a man leaves his wife,
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If--say, a man leaves his wife, it could be reversed.
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It could be reversed. but the first thing
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But the first thing she feels is guilty.
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She feels is guilty. and don't take what somebody
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And don't take what somebody else did as your fault.
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Else did as your fault. you know, they could've stayed
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You know, they could've stayed and tried to work out whatever
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And tried to work out whatever needed to be worked out.
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Needed to be worked out. and if you lose your job,
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And if you lose your job, have a good attitude,
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Have a good attitude, "my next one's gonna be better."
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"my next one's gonna be better." i tell you, our attitude,
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I tell you, our attitude, what we think, and what we say
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What we think, and what we say during periods of change,
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During periods of change, because our words do have power.
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Because our words do have power. the power of life and death
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The power of life and death is in the tongue.
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Is in the tongue. and words are actually
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And words are actually very creative.
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God created the whole
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God created the whole world with words.
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World with words. he said, “let there be light,
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He said, “let there be light, and there was light.”
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And there was light.” he said, and it took place.
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He said, and it took place. and so...
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And so... >> ginger: that's so true.
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>> ginger: that's so true. >> joyce: i mean, some people
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>> joyce: i mean, some people probably aren't familiar with
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Probably aren't familiar with this teaching at all, but
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This teaching at all, but it's very biblical that
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It's very biblical that your words have power.
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Your words have power. romans 4:17 says, "we serve
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Romans 4:17 says, "we serve a god that calls things that
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A god that calls things that don't exist yet as if they
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Don't exist yet as if they already existed."
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Already existed." so let's just say you have
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Lost your job and you're
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Lost your job and you're gonna get another one.
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Gonna get another one. well, instead of saying,
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Well, instead of saying, "i don't know if i'll ever get
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"i don't know if i'll ever get a job as good as that one.
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A job as good as that one. you know, i probably won't
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You know, i probably won't get a job making as much
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Get a job making as much money as i did."
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Money as i did." don't say that.
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Don't say that. don't curse your future
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Don't curse your future before...
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Before... >> ginger: that's a very
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>> ginger: that's a very conscious effort.
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Conscious effort. i had something that changed
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I had something that changed recently, and it wasn't
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Recently, and it wasn't a terrible thing, but it wasn't
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A terrible thing, but it wasn't what i wanted.
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What i wanted. it wasn't what i would
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It wasn't what i would have chosen.
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Have chosen. and the first thing i thought
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And the first thing i thought was, “i'm gonna call so-and-so
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Was, “i'm gonna call so-and-so and tell them what's going on.”
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And tell them what's going on.” and instead, i mean, i felt very
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And instead, i mean, i felt very strongly, “just--no you just--
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Strongly, “just--no you just-- you need to be quiet and
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You need to be quiet and trust god, that he will work
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Trust god, that he will work through this change.”
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Through this change.” because instead, when you begin
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Because instead, when you begin to start telling everyone,
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To start telling everyone, you need, you know, you need
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You need, you know, you need to commiserate with me.
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To commiserate with me. >> joyce: yeah, right.
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>> joyce: yeah, right. >> ginger: it doesn't
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>> ginger: it doesn't take us anywhere good.
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Take us anywhere good. >> joyce: yeah.
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>> joyce: yeah. and i think it does take
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And i think it does take courage to change.
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Courage to change. i think you have to be brave.
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You know, when i think about
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You know, when i think about how abraham must've felt
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How abraham must've felt when god said to him,
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When god said to him, “leave your family, where you
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“leave your family, where you live, everything, and go to
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Live, everything, and go to a place that i will show you.”
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A place that i will show you.” that is--that's got to be hard.
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>> ginger: can you lay
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>> ginger: can you lay it out for me now?
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It out for me now? >> joyce: yeah, go to a place--
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>> joyce: yeah, go to a place-- imagine just packing up your
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Imagine just packing up your stuff, and walking out of your
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Stuff, and walking out of your house, and starting to walk
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House, and starting to walk down the street, and not
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Down the street, and not having any idea where
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Having any idea where you're gonna go.
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You're gonna go. and there's something in that,
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And there's something in that, that we can all learn
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That we can all learn something from.
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Something from. abraham had to have a good
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Abraham had to have a good attitude about it,
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Attitude about it, or he wouldn't have
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Or he wouldn't have been able to do it.
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Been able to do it. >> ginger: we're talking
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>> ginger: we're talking a lot about change that
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A lot about change that is thrust upon us.
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Is thrust upon us. >> joyce: right.
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>> joyce: right. >> ginger: which is a really
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>> ginger: which is a really hard thing.
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Hard thing. i want to ask you too,
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I want to ask you too, about the changes that you
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About the changes that you begin to think, “maybe this
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Begin to think, “maybe this is something i should do.”
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Is something i should do.” you know, “maybe god's leading
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You know, “maybe god's leading me this way, but i'm afraid,
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Me this way, but i'm afraid, and i don't like the idea
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And i don't like the idea of letting go of what i know,
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Of letting go of what i know, for something that
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For something that i don't know.”
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I don't know.” so, when it comes to that point
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So, when it comes to that point of making decisions that will
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Of making decisions that will result in change in your life,
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Result in change in your life, how do you help us through that?
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>> joyce: well, i'm fairly bold,
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>> joyce: well, i'm fairly bold, and so i might approach
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And so i might approach it a little bit different
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It a little bit different than somebody that's more
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Than somebody that's more timid or more fearful.
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Timid or more fearful. but a good example for me
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But a good example for me would be when i knew god had
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Would be when i knew god had called me to teach the word,
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Called me to teach the word, but i didn't know the word.
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But i didn't know the word. and so i needed time to study.
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And so i needed time to study. and i had three children
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And i had three children already, had a fourth one
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Already, had a fourth one after that, and was working
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After that, and was working a full-time job.
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A full-time job. and, you know, when you work
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And, you know, when you work a full-time job, you come home,
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A full-time job, you come home, you've gotta clean the house
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You've gotta clean the house on the weekends, you've gotta
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Get the groceries at night.
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Get the groceries at night. there was no time,
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There was no time, really, to study.
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Really, to study. and i started feeling like
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And i started feeling like god wanted me to quit my job--
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God wanted me to quit my job-- my very good job.
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My very good job. >> ginger: that's a big
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>> ginger: that's a big step of change.
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Step of change. >> joyce: where i did very well,
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>> joyce: where i did very well, and trust him.
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And trust him. well, we were $40 a month short
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Well, we were $40 a month short of having enough money to pay
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Of having enough money to pay our bills, which meant every
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Our bills, which meant every month we needed a miracle.
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Month we needed a miracle. and i didn't have a lot
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And i didn't have a lot of experience with god.
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Of experience with god. this was all new to me.
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This was all new to me. and it took a little while.
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And it took a little while. but i've kind of found out when
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But i've kind of found out when things just stay there, and stay
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Things just stay there, and stay there, and stay there, that's
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There, and stay there, that's usually when god is trying
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Usually when god is trying to get you to do something.
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To get you to do something. >> ginger: that's a really
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>> ginger: that's a really good point.
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Good point. when sometimes you're more
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When sometimes you're more miserable not changing
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Miserable not changing after a while.
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After a while. >> joyce: well, when you get
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>> joyce: well, when you get to the point where you know
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To the point where you know you're disobeying god,
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You're disobeying god, then you better get with
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Then you better get with the program, because
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The program, because it's not gonna be...
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It's not gonna be... and like when god asked me to--
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And like when god asked me to-- told me it was time for
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Told me it was time for me to quit my job at the church
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Me to quit my job at the church i worked at, 'cause that
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I worked at, 'cause that was the first thing i did.
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Was the first thing i did. i taught some home bible
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I taught some home bible studies, then i worked
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Studies, then i worked five years at a church.
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Five years at a church. and i learned a lot.
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And i learned a lot. i did a lot of teaching there.
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I did a lot of teaching there. i was ordained there.
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I was ordained there. and all of a sudden, i just
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And all of a sudden, i just started not enjoying it,
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Started not enjoying it, and i loved it before that.
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And i loved it before that. they'd call a prayer meeting,
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They'd call a prayer meeting, i didn't wanna go.
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I didn't wanna go. you know, have our weekly
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You know, have our weekly leadership meetings,
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Leadership meetings, i didn't wanna--i'd sit
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I didn't wanna--i'd sit there and just, you know.
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There and just, you know. and finally my pastor said,
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And finally my pastor said, “what is wrong with you?”
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“what is wrong with you?” and it just came out
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And it just came out of my mouth, i didn't
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Of my mouth, i didn't even plan to say it.
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Even plan to say it. “i don't know, maybe i'm not
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“i don't know, maybe i'm not supposed to be here anymore.”
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Supposed to be here anymore.” and that was really exactly
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And that was really exactly what god had been putting
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What god had been putting in my heart, that it was time
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In my heart, that it was time for me to leave.
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For me to leave. matter of fact, one night
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Matter of fact, one night i drove into the church for
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I drove into the church for a tuesday night service,
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A tuesday night service, and i heard the lord say,
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And i heard the lord say, “what are you still doing here?”
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“what are you still doing here?” >> ginger: mmm, wow!
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>> ginger: mmm, wow! >> joyce: and i thought,
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>> joyce: and i thought, well, it's tuesday night,
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Well, it's tuesday night, i'm going to church.
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I'm going to church. and so plainly i heard,
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And so plainly i heard, “i don't need you here anymore.”
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“i don't need you here anymore.” well, i was insulted, because
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Well, i was insulted, because i was one of the church pillars.
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I was one of the church pillars. i helped build the church,
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I helped build the church, you know.
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You know. “i don't need you here anymore.”
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“i don't need you here anymore.” but he didn't.
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But he didn't. he didn't need me there anymore.
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He didn't need me there anymore. and his word to me was,
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And his word to me was, take your ministry and go north,
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Take your ministry and go north, south, east, and west.
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South, east, and west. well, that was a little bit
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Well, that was a little bit abraham-ish, because nobody
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Abraham-ish, because nobody knew me north, south,
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Knew me north, south, east, or west.
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East, or west. so you can't just show
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So you can't just show up in a town and say,
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Up in a town and say, “i'm gonna have a meeting,”
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“i'm gonna have a meeting,” and expect people to come.
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And expect people to come. and so, but i did both
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And so, but i did both of those things.
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Of those things. and i mean, i was so nervous,
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And i mean, i was so nervous, i was shaking.
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I was shaking. i was afraid, but i'm more
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I was afraid, but i'm more afraid of not obeying god.
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Afraid of not obeying god. >> ginger: that's so big.
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>> ginger: that's so big. >> joyce: you know, it's--
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>> joyce: you know, it's-- i don't care how scared i might
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I don't care how scared i might be i'm not gonna disobey god
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Be i'm not gonna disobey god if i believe that he...
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If i believe that he... you know, now i've had a lot
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You know, now i've had a lot more experience with god.
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More experience with god. and so, i know that anytime
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And so, i know that anytime he tells you to do something,
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He tells you to do something, it's going to turn out good.
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It's going to turn out good. it's going to be the best.
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It's going to be the best. and by the way, every month
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And by the way, every month for six years, god provided
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For six years, god provided that extra money we needed
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That extra money we needed to pay our bills.
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To pay our bills. never one time did we have
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Never one time did we have to pay a bill late.
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To pay a bill late. i mean, and it was just like,
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I mean, and it was just like, it was a great experience.
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It was a great experience. i mean, people would walk
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I mean, people would walk up to me at church and say,
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Up to me at church and say, "here, god told me to give
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"here, god told me to give you this," and put $100
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You this," and put $100 in my hands.
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In my hands. or one time we got a big
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Or one time we got a big refund on our gas bill.
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Refund on our gas bill. who gets refunds
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Who gets refunds on your gas bill?
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On your gas bill? >> ginger: no one i know.
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>> ginger: no one i know. (laughing)
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(laughing) >> joyce: it was just--
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>> joyce: it was just-- and so it really brought
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And so it really brought me into a closeness with god,
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Me into a closeness with god, to see him do those things
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To see him do those things all the time.
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All the time. one thing that was really
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One thing that was really good about that is dave
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Good about that is dave and i appreciate everything
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And i appreciate everything that god does for us now.
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That god does for us now. >> ginger: we do learn so much.
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>> ginger: we do learn so much. and i think that god really
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And i think that god really works through change often
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Works through change often because it's us showing
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Because it's us showing a willingness.
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A willingness. “whatever it takes god,”
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“whatever it takes god,” or “i'm going to trust
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Or “i'm going to trust you in this.”
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You in this.” and taking that type of a stand,
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And taking that type of a stand, that's a person that
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That's a person that god can use.
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God can use. and begin doing some
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And begin doing some incredible things.
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Incredible things. and, you know, it may
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And, you know, it may not be as large
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Not be as large as starting a ministry.
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As starting a ministry. it may be something different.
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It may be something different. >> joyce: could be something
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>> joyce: could be something very, very small, you know.
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Very, very small, you know. and don't let money
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And don't let money rule your life.
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Rule your life. you know, you may be working
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You know, you may be working at a job where you make a lot
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At a job where you make a lot of money, but it's really
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Of money, but it's really not what you wanna do.
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Not what you wanna do. you don't enjoy it.
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You don't enjoy it. you wanna do something where
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You wanna do something where you know you're not gonna
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You know you're not gonna make as much money.
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Make as much money. but let me tell you something,
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But let me tell you something, your joy is so much more
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Your joy is so much more important than money.
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Important than money. you know, there's nobody
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You know, there's nobody when they're on their deathbed
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When they're on their deathbed that's gonna ask for
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That's gonna ask for their checkbook.
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Their checkbook. you know, you wanna know that
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You know, you wanna know that you've lived a satisfied life.
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You've lived a satisfied life. to me, i think one of the worst
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To me, i think one of the worst things would be to come
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Things would be to come to be 85, 90 years old
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To be 85, 90 years old and look back and have
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And look back and have nothing but regrets.
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Nothing but regrets. “i wish i would've done this.”
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“i wish i would've done this.” “i wish i would've tried.”
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“i wish i would've tried.” “i wish i would've stepped out.”
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“i wish i would've stepped out.” and now it's too late.
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And now it's too late. and so, i just encourage
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And so, i just encourage people to--if you feel like
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People to--if you feel like god is really pressing
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God is really pressing you to make a change,
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You to make a change, then go ahead and make it.
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Then go ahead and make it. and don't be so afraid
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And don't be so afraid because god is good.
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Because god is good. and if you're really doing
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And if you're really doing all you know to do to hear
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All you know to do to hear from him, and you really
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From him, and you really believe that what you're
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Believe that what you're supposed to do is right,
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Supposed to do is right, even if you're wrong,
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Even if you're wrong, god will take it and work
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God will take it and work it out for your good.
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It out for your good. and then for the people that
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And then for the people that are just hurting, i mean,
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Are just hurting, i mean, they've had a loved one die,
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They've had a loved one die, or a spouse has left them, or...
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Or a spouse has left them, or... >> ginger: yeah, their life
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>> ginger: yeah, their life is just different.
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Is just different. >> joyce: a child is on drugs
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>> joyce: a child is on drugs or, you know, whatever,
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Or, you know, whatever, it's just--hang on to god
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It's just--hang on to god and know that he loves you,
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And know that he loves you, and cares for you, and that
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And cares for you, and that these pains will pass.
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These pains will pass. you will heal because
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You will heal because he is the healer of our soul,
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He is the healer of our soul, not just our body.
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Not just our body. he's interested in every
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He's interested in every part of us and everything
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Part of us and everything that concerns us.
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That concerns us. and don't be afraid of change.
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And don't be afraid of change. i read that anybody who
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I read that anybody who thinks that things are
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Thinks that things are always gonna stay the way
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Always gonna stay the way they are, is a fool.
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They are, is a fool. and i mean, that's just true.
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And i mean, that's just true. i don't know what things will
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I don't know what things will be like in my life next year,
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Be like in my life next year, but i believe whatever it is,
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But i believe whatever it is, i believe it'll be good.
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I believe it'll be good. but even if something
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But even if something happened i didn't like,
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Happened i didn't like, i believe god will take
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I believe god will take care of it, and it will
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Care of it, and it will all work out right.
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All work out right. >> ginger: yeah, i think that's
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>> ginger: yeah, i think that's one of the most reassuring
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One of the most reassuring things is, in change that
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Things is, in change that is often extremely difficult,
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Is often extremely difficult, seems insurmountable,
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Seems insurmountable, there's a god who never changes,
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There's a god who never changes, who is always there
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Who is always there to walk us through it,
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To walk us through it, that we can trust,
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That we can trust, who is completely faithful.
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Who is completely faithful. so your encouragement helps.
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So your encouragement helps. >> joyce: the bible says
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>> joyce: the bible says that everything that can
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That everything that can be shaken will be shaken,
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Be shaken will be shaken, but only god never changes.
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>> [♪♪]
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>> announcer: when faced with
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>> announcer: when faced with life's inevitable ups and downs,
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Life's inevitable ups and downs, having the resiliency to stand
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Having the resiliency to stand up to new challenges and meet
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Up to new challenges and meet them head on is imperative.
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Them head on is imperative. we can't keep changes from
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We can't keep changes from coming, but we can manage our
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Coming, but we can manage our reaction to it, and even come
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Reaction to it, and even come to welcome it into our lives.
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>> joyce: you know,
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>> joyce: you know, life is full of changes,
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Life is full of changes, and sometimes it can
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And sometimes it can feel like everything
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Feel like everything around us is shaking.
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Around us is shaking. jobs are changing,
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Jobs are changing, relationships,
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Relationships, people's expectations.
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People's expectations. it's easy to get
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It's easy to get overwhelmed but i wanna
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Overwhelmed but i wanna remind you today, while
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Remind you today, while change is inevitable,
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Change is inevitable, you have the power
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You have the power to choose how
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To choose how to respond to it.
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To respond to it. in my book,
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In my book, “the courage to change,”
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“the courage to change,” i'll show you how to not
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I'll show you how to not only navigate life's
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Only navigate life's transitions, but to
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Transitions, but to actually embrace them
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Actually embrace them with god's word
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With god's word as your foundation.
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As your foundation. you can face each shift
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You can face each shift with confidence, knowing
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With confidence, knowing the same god who never
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The same god who never changed, is working all
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Changed, is working all things for your good,
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Things for your good, even in the midst
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Even in the midst of difficult moments.
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Of difficult moments.
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>> announcer: be the first
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>> announcer: be the first to get a copy of joyce's
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To get a copy of joyce's newest book,
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Newest book, "the courage to change."
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"the courage to change." it's available for your
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It's available for your gift of any amount.
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Gift of any amount. and today, when you
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And today, when you donate...
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Donate... or more, you'll also
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Small to 3xl. call us today at...
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Call us today at... or visit us online
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Or visit us online at joycemeyer.org
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At joycemeyer.org
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>> joyce: if you're
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>> joyce: if you're weary from all of life's
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Weary from all of life's changes, i want you
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Changes, i want you to know that you can
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To know that you can find peace in the storm.
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Find peace in the storm. in “the courage to change,”
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In “the courage to change,” i'll show you how god's
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I'll show you how god's word can help you
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Word can help you embrace every challenge
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Embrace every challenge with confidence.
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With confidence. you don't have to live
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You don't have to live in the fear of change.
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In the fear of change. with the strength and
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With the strength and the wisdom from god,
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The wisdom from god, you can stand firm
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You can stand firm through any storm and
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Through any storm and come out stronger
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Come out stronger on the other side.
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On the other side. let's face life's
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Let's face life's challenges together
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Challenges together with faith, hope, and
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With faith, hope, and a renewed perspective.
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A renewed perspective.
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Your gift of any amount,
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Your gift of any amount, and if you are a partner,
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And if you are a partner, your partnership with
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Your partnership with joyce meyer ministries
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Joyce meyer ministries will help us reach the
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Will help us reach the lost, feed the hungry,
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Lost, feed the hungry, and help women and
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And help women and girls find freedom
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Girls find freedom all around the world.
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All around the world. your gift today makes
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Your gift today makes it all possible.
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It all possible.
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>> announcer: discover
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>> announcer: discover your courage today
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Your courage today with joyce's book,
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With joyce's book, “the courage to change.”
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“the courage to change.” it's available right now
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It's available right now for your gift of any amount.
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For your gift of any amount. and today, when you
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And today, when you donate...
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Donate... or more, you'll also
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Or more, you'll also receive this love big
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Receive this love big long-sleeve shirt
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Long-sleeve shirt in lavender blue.
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In lavender blue.
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Call us today at...
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Call us today at... or visit us online
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Or visit us online at joycemeyer.org
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>> announcer: it's your
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>> announcer: it's your opportunity to unplug
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Opportunity to unplug and discover what
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And discover what it means to be fully his.
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It means to be fully his. >> joyce: and we need to know
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>> joyce: and we need to know who our real enemy is,
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Who our real enemy is, and by the way,
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And by the way, if you're really full-on
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If you're really full-on walking with god,
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Walking with god, you don't have to be afraid
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You don't have to be afraid of the devil at all.
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Of the devil at all. >> [audience cheering]
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>> [audience cheering] >> announcer: come together
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>> announcer: come together with thousands who are
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With thousands who are ready to worship,
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Ready to worship, learn, laugh,
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Learn, laugh, and lean in.
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And lean in. >> cece: god calls
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>> cece: god calls us to holiness
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Us to holiness because he loves us.
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Because he loves us. y'all, it's beautiful.
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Y'all, it's beautiful. >> announcer: and go home,
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>> announcer: and go home, equipped for all
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Equipped for all of life's battles.
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Of life's battles. >> lysa: he's not trying
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>> lysa: he's not trying to hide from us.
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To hide from us. he's waiting to be seen by us.
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He's waiting to be seen by us. >> announcer: join us for
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>> announcer: join us for the 2025 love life
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Cece winans, lysa terkeurst,
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Lysa terkeurst, and pat barrett.
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And pat barrett.
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Register today
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>> ginger: real life.
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>> ginger: real life. real friends.
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Real friends. no pretense.
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No pretense. joyce meyer's
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Joyce meyer's talk it out podcast.
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Talk it out podcast. join joyce, erin cluley,
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Join joyce, erin cluley, and me, ginger stache,
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And me, ginger stache, along with some amazing friends,
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Along with some amazing friends, as we honestly share
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As we honestly share the hard stuff,
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The hard stuff, laugh through those
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Laugh through those unpredictable moments,
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Unpredictable moments, and learn to apply what
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And learn to apply what god says about it all.
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God says about it all. we have a spot on the pink
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We have a spot on the pink couch saved just for you.
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Watch or listen to new
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Watch or listen to new episodes every tuesday.
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>> [music]
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>> announcer: we hope you
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>> announcer: we hope you enjoyed today's program.
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Enjoyed today's program.
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We are so grateful
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We are so grateful to our joyce meyer
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To our joyce meyer ministries partners
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Ministries partners who make this
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Who make this and all we do possible,
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And all we do possible, including sharing
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Including sharing god's word
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God's word and offering help
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And offering help to people in need
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To people in need all over the world.
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Joyce Meyer - The Greatest Change of All (Part 2)

May 16, 2025 | S25:E18

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