Carrying old wounds? Today, Joyce, Ginger and Christine Caine discuss Joyce's new memoir, My Battlefield, and how God can turn your pain into a powerful testimony of healing.
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Joyce Meyer: Enjoying Everyday Life | Joyce Meyer - Joyce's Memoir | July 12, 2026
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- >> joyce: it was the sound of a helicopter
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- In the distance, and i knew it was looking for me.
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- But i didn't want to be found.
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- In my young, frightened mind, i reasoned that the longer
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- I stayed in the darkness, the safer i was.
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- If no one found me, no one could hurt me.
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- >> announcer: joyce meyer's long-awaited
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- Memoir, "my battlefield: a life broken and made whole."
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- Purchase your copy today.
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- >> joyce: you may say,
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- "well, the facts are," but the truth is.
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- >> chris: exactly.
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- >> joyce: and if you know the truth,
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- And you apply that truth to your life,
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- Then you will be set free.
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- And when--"whom the son sets free is free indeed."
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- You're free to the point where it's
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- As if it never happened to you.
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- >> joyce: i'm joyce meyer, and i believe
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- That god can heal you everywhere you hurt.
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- >> joyce: hello, and welcome
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- To, "enjoying everyday life."
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- Sometimes the
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- Deepest wounds are the ones we don't talk about,
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- But healing comes when we bring them into the light.
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- Today, my very good friend, chris caine, is with ginger
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- And i, and we're sharing our stories
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- Of abuse and the hope we've found in christ.
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- Let's get started with a clip from one of my teachings.
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- >> joyce: you know, i come from
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- A background of being sexually abused by my father for--
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- That's all i ever remember, so i was probably
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- 4 or 5 years old.
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- And-- just a lot of stuff.
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- Married the first guy that came along and he cheated on me.
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- And so,
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- I wanna encourage you, no matter what has happened
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- To you in the past, don't be a victim.
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- >> [audience applauding]
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- >> joyce: don't--
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- Don't have that mentality, "well, if only that wouldn't
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- Have happened to me."
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- Because to be honest,
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- I don't--i used to think, "well, if only i wouldn't have
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- Been abused." but--
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- Look what god's done with it, see?
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- >> [audience applauding]
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- >> joyce: and when you're hurting,
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- You're getting experience to help somebody else that's gonna
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- Come along that's hurting.
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- Amen?
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- >> [audience applauding]
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- >> joyce: so, if there's anybody here
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- Today that thinks, "because this happened to me,
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- My life will never amount to anything,"
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- That is a lie from the devil
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- Because truly you can let go of what lies behind.
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- God's always had a good plan for you.
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- And even though the devil tried to interrupt that,
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- That doesn't change god's mind.
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- You can do amazing things if you want to.
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- You can be seated.
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- You know, when you're healing from something like
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- Sexual abuse, or really any kind of abuse or mistreatment, you--
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- God will sometimes give you scriptures or a scripture
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- That you just really hold on to that means a lot to you.
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- And there's been more than one for me, but this is one that
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- I just wanted to start with.
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- Jesus said--isaiah 61:1-3,
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- "the spirit of the lord god is upon me."
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- I mean, this is about jesus.
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- "the spirit of the lord god is upon me, because the lord
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- Has anointed me to bring good news to the poor;
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- He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
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- To proclaim liberty to the captives and the opening of the
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- Prison to those who are bound,
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- To proclaim the year of the lord's favor,
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- And the day of vengeance of our god; to comfort all who mourn;
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- To grant to those who mourn in zion--
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- To give them a beautiful headdress instead of ashes."
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- Beauty for ashes.
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- "the oil of gladness instead of mourning, the garment of praise
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- Instead of a faint spirit; that they may be called oaks
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- Of righteousness, the planting of the lord,
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- That he may be glorified."
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- You know, god will take...
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- The painful and the hurtful things that happen to you,
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- And he will turn them into something beautiful.
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- You agree, chris?
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- >> chris: i think we're living
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- Testimonies of it, all of us.
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- And it's not--
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- It never minimizes the painful things
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- Or dismisses them.
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- I always say, you know, the blood of jesus, it doesn't give
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- You amnesia.
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- But what it does do is it gives you a life beyond your past.
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- And i think in the day in which we're living, it's a message
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- That our world desperately needs to hear because so many
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- People think that because of what either happened to them
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- Or even the mistakes they've made or, you know,
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- What was said about them, that that has defined
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- Their life.
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- >> joyce: right.
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- >> chris: and i think obviously your
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- Whole ministry, your whole life and testimony
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- Has been living proof that you can have a life beyond your
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- Past, that your history does not define your destiny.
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- And i think even in my own life, you know, nick and i
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- Today are rescuing the victims of human trafficking around
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- The world, but i'm the kid that was left in a hospital.
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- Unnamed and unwanted and sexually abused for a decade
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- When i was younger.
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- A little bit of a different story to yours, but still
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- The ramifications of abuse are major.
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- And so, i think, you know, when i think we've got every reason
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- In the world to have failed
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- Or to have not fulfilled our purpose,
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- But god took all those things that the enemy really meant
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- For evil and did turn them around and work them
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- Together for both our good and for his glory on the earth.
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- And i've heard some people say, you know, "chris, don't be so
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- Flippant and quote romans 8:28
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- That god works all things together."
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- And i said, "but he does."
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- >> joyce: that's not being flippant;
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- That's the word.
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- >> chris: that's the word, but i think--
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- >> ginger: well, and you know
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- It from experience, as well.
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- >> chris: it is.
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- You go, "that's my lived experience."
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- And i say that to people, that our lived experience
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- Is, you know, the fact that you're in your 80s, i'm in my
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- 60s now, and i'm saying to you, after 4 decades of this,
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- Truly, i'm not saying it's easy. i'm not saying it's painless,
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- But there is a life beyond your past.
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- And god can redeem it and use it for his glory, which i'm not
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- Saying it makes it worth it, but it does give it meaning.
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- >> ginger : well, and that's why it's so
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- Important to sit here and share these stories.
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- And joyce has just finished her memoir.
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- And so in--
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- In sharing that, because i've heard you so many times share
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- Your story, but there's something different in what
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- You're sharing this time.
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- There's something--
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- Well, of course, there are many things that
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- You haven't shared before.
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- >> joyce: many details that i'd never
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- Shared before.
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- >> ginger : right, but there's also
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- A timeliness of it.
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- And a reason that god is bringing this forward
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- Right now.
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- And to talk to both of you with your stories being similar in
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- So many ways and varied in others, but thinking about
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- About everyone here with us and how many of their stories have
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- That same component.
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- And really all of us, i mean, we all have been hurt and need
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- Redemption and need what god brings to us.
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- But for the two of you to talk about the fact that you've
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- Seen it, that you know it's true
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- And that it's true for everyone is really important right now.
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- >> joyce: yeah.
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- I think there are some keys that people have to be willing
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- To do with god's help.
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- It is important that you stop feeling like a victim.
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- You know, i'm not a victim or a survivor.
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- I'm a child of god who's been healed and made whole.
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- And god is taking what the devil meant for harm
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- And working it out for good.
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- And i know this sounds very strange;
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- Doesn't make much sense to me either.
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- But i came to a point where i couldn't even say anymore,
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- "i wish i wouldn't have been abused."
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- I really can't say that because of what god's done with it.
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- You know, just like chris...
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- And nick are rescuing victims of sex trafficking.
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- We're involved in the same thing.
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- We've been helping people who've been abused and are in
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- The process right now of building what will eventually
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- Be a huge place for those victims.
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- And i wouldn't have wanted to help them had
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- I not experienced what i did.
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- And, you know, there's a lot of other people
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- Helping through praying and giving and many other ways.
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- Maybe they weren't abused, but
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- They hear what we say and it gives them an idea of what
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- These people are going through.
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- And i love isaiah 61:7.
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- It says that god will give us a double recompense for our
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- Former trouble.
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- And so, that literally means that he will give
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- Us a reward--
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- If--
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- If we go through and come out on the other side.
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- And sometimes, in order to do
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- That, you have to just let it hurt.
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- When you start facing things that you've hid from
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- For so long, you have to just let it hurt.
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- And that, just like any healing hurts while it's healing.
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- Emotionally, you can hurt too,
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- When your emotions are being healed.
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- >> ginger : let me ask you about that,
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- Because with the two of you, you both have shared very
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- Openly, very candidly about your stories,
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- Which is not the easiest thing to do.
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- It's not natural for everybody right away to want to do that.
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- But there's a reason that because of where god has
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- Brought you, that you want to do that.
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- And joyce, with what you're sharing this time around
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- With your memoir,
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- There are new ways that god is gonna use this.
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- There are things that people have not heard before,
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- Have not read before that's going to hit them differently.
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- So for the two of you, why share so openly?
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- >> chris: yeah, i thought that even
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- As i was reading through, you know, because i've known
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- Joyce for 30 years and it hit me differently this time, too.
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- But here is the power of it.
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- And i think because-- i mean, i keep saying,
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- "you're in your 80s." that's because you are.
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- So it's, it's, it's--
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- >> joyce: i started to say,
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- "stop telling everybody how old i am."
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- >> chris: no, but this is beautiful.
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- I want to because i want people to see how you can continue to
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- Serve the lord faithfully.
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- >> joyce: yeah, you can still be vibrant.
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- >> chris: that's what i really want
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- People to see.
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- But here is the deal that it's a--it's a testimony.
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- So there's a difference between a story and a testimony.
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- So it is true, we're talking now
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- Decades and decades and decades later, by the grace of god,
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- You're still being fruitful and flourishing, which is the goal.
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- It's to our father's great glory that we bear much fruit.
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- So, a lot of the pain and the suffering that we have early
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- On, the enemy wants to stop our fruitfulness.
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- He doesn't want us to be fruitful and do what god has
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- Put us on the earth to do.
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- He tried to do that with you and me and, you know, early on.
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- And so, when you first started telling your story,
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- And when i did, what the world has
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- To understand, this was before "me too."
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- People were not--
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- It was not like in a woman's best interest,
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- Especially if you're a minister, people would say,
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- "this will destroy your ministry."
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- People don't want to know-- you know,
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- Those sorts of details.
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- And not that we were ever inappropriate.
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- But it's not that you wanted to necessarily lead
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- With that, nor did i.
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- When i started, i didn't want anyone to think--
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- I mean, there's so much to our ministry
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- That you're just like the girl that talks about abuse
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- Or the abused girl.
- 00:11:50.266 --> 00:11:51.433
- Because i'm thinking, "no," i really had a revelation.
- 00:11:51.433 --> 00:11:53.702
- I'm a new creation in christ jesus.
- 00:11:53.702 --> 00:11:55.471
- And god has gifted me to do a lot of things.
- 00:11:55.471 --> 00:11:57.506
- And my story is a part of my testimony.
- 00:11:57.506 --> 00:12:00.509
- It's not the one thing.
- 00:12:00.509 --> 00:12:02.144
- No, but god has used that, especially after i found out
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- I was adopted.
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- And the first place i shared it was at your conference back
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- In 1998-- '99. and--
- 00:12:09.385 --> 00:12:14.123
- Obviously, the lord has used that, like he's used, you know,
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- Your story as a major way to help millions of people
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- Around the world.
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- But we're living in an era, and i see this so much in my work
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- With young people, where because we have a generation
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- Of, "tell your story, tell your story."
- 00:12:28.704 --> 00:12:30.105
- Well, there's one thing about telling a story
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- And living a testimony.
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- Because you can tell a story
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- And not be free and still be bound.
- 00:12:35.611 --> 00:12:37.413
- And so, the anger, the rejection, the unforgiveness,
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- The bitterness of the abuse, you know, there's--
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- In our era, it was suppress.
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- Your mother--
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- >> joyce: nobody talked about it.
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- >> chris: nobody.
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- You suppress, suppress, suppress.
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- This era is express, express, express.
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- And i'm saying both can be dangerous.
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- I'm very big about using your voice and talking
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- About what happened.
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- But there's got to be the right place.
- 00:12:59.635 --> 00:13:01.170
- Now, if all we're doing is talking to people that can't
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- Help us and not even talking to god or--
- 00:13:03.606 --> 00:13:06.041
- >> ginger : and making that who you are.
- 00:13:06.041 --> 00:13:07.977
- >> chris: that's--my identity then
- 00:13:07.977 --> 00:13:09.211
- Becomes in what happened to me.
- 00:13:09.211 --> 00:13:10.512
- Not in what jesus did for me.
- 00:13:10.512 --> 00:13:12.348
- So my big thing is that by the time i was sharing it,
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- It was from--
- 00:13:16.218 --> 00:13:17.186
- When i say a place of victory, of course,
- 00:13:17.186 --> 00:13:18.687
- God was doing ongoing healing.
- 00:13:18.687 --> 00:13:20.155
- But i really had come to a place where i made what jesus
- 00:13:20.155 --> 00:13:22.925
- Did for me at calvary bigger than what the abusers had done
- 00:13:22.925 --> 00:13:27.296
- To me in my past.
- 00:13:27.296 --> 00:13:31.233
- >> joyce: i've learned so much
- 00:13:31.233 --> 00:13:33.068
- Through the years.
- 00:13:33.068 --> 00:13:34.203
- I've faced heartbreak, disappointment, abuse,
- 00:13:34.203 --> 00:13:37.306
- Abandonment, and obstacles i wasn't sure i would survive.
- 00:13:37.306 --> 00:13:41.810
- But i've also experienced god's grace, love, and healing.
- 00:13:41.810 --> 00:13:45.881
- Now i'm sharing my entire story like never before.
- 00:13:45.881 --> 00:13:49.251
- There's much more than you may know.
- 00:13:49.251 --> 00:13:51.687
- I believe now is the time for me to share even deeper because
- 00:13:51.687 --> 00:13:55.024
- I have seen god bring great good from my battles,
- 00:13:55.024 --> 00:13:57.860
- And i believe god will do the same for you.
- 00:13:57.860 --> 00:14:00.829
- >> announcer: now available,
- 00:14:00.829 --> 00:14:02.731
- Joyce meyer's memoir, "my battlefield,"
- 00:14:02.731 --> 00:14:05.567
- Proof that no matter how your story began,
- 00:14:05.567 --> 00:14:08.203
- With god, your story can
- 00:14:08.203 --> 00:14:10.139
- Be better than you ever imagined.
- 00:14:10.139 --> 00:14:12.541
- Read joyce's story like you've never
- 00:14:12.541 --> 00:14:14.376
- Heard before in her long-awaited memoir,
- 00:14:14.376 --> 00:14:16.245
- "my battlefield: a life broken and made whole,"
- 00:14:16.245 --> 00:14:19.848
- An intimate look into the life of joyce meyer.
- 00:14:19.848 --> 00:14:23.052
- Available wherever books are sold.
- 00:14:23.052 --> 00:14:28.524
- >> joyce: well, the reason why i share
- 00:14:28.524 --> 00:14:31.060
- So openly, first of all, i'm a very open person.
- 00:14:31.060 --> 00:14:34.229
- And that's just a gift that god's given me.
- 00:14:34.229 --> 00:14:36.332
- It's not like i would normally go around and just
- 00:14:36.332 --> 00:14:39.535
- Tell everybody everything about my personal life.
- 00:14:39.535 --> 00:14:42.171
- But--
- 00:14:42.171 --> 00:14:44.206
- I've always had that--
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- It's just a gift.
- 00:14:47.509 --> 00:14:48.544
- I really don't care what people know about me.
- 00:14:48.544 --> 00:14:51.480
- You know, we don't all have to pretend to be
- 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:53.949
- Perfect or like we don't have any problems.
- 00:14:53.949 --> 00:14:56.552
- But i share what happened to me
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- And how god helped me overcome it for one reason and one
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- Reason only.
- 00:15:01.924 --> 00:15:02.992
- And that is for other people who have been hurt
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- To realize that they don't have to live hurt.
- 00:15:06.729 --> 00:15:10.332
- They don't have to live wounded.
- 00:15:10.332 --> 00:15:12.835
- They don't have to live in bitterness and unforgiveness
- 00:15:12.835 --> 00:15:15.637
- And self-pity and lack of confidence
- 00:15:15.637 --> 00:15:19.308
- And all the things that go along with,
- 00:15:19.308 --> 00:15:22.911
- You know, having been abused, whether it's sexually
- 00:15:22.911 --> 00:15:25.681
- Or physically or emotionally, or your parents just
- 00:15:25.681 --> 00:15:29.318
- Weren't there for you, or they compared you to another
- 00:15:29.318 --> 00:15:32.588
- Sibling, or, you know, there's a lot of kinds of abuse.
- 00:15:32.588 --> 00:15:36.025
- And it doesn't have to come from your parents.
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- It can come from somewhere else.
- 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:39.628
- But abuse just means to be used for a purpose that you were not
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- Created for.
- 00:15:43.599 --> 00:15:45.267
- And there's very few people, whether they were abused
- 00:15:45.267 --> 00:15:48.704
- Or not, that haven't been abused by somebody in some way,
- 00:15:48.704 --> 00:15:55.477
- Taken advantage of, hurt, lied to, abandoned.
- 00:15:55.477 --> 00:16:02.418
- You know, there's just--
- 00:16:02.418 --> 00:16:03.719
- The devil just really tries to hurt people.
- 00:16:03.719 --> 00:16:07.656
- So, they will live wounded, and not be able
- 00:16:07.656 --> 00:16:11.060
- To do what god wants them to do.
- 00:16:11.060 --> 00:16:14.029
- I just want people to know that whoever believes in him
- 00:16:14.029 --> 00:16:22.538
- Can have everything that he promised.
- 00:16:22.538 --> 00:16:25.074
- It's not for one person or two people
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- Or a special group of people.
- 00:16:27.176 --> 00:16:29.445
- It's, you know, whoever believes.
- 00:16:29.445 --> 00:16:31.914
- If you believe, and that's our important part, is to believe.
- 00:16:31.914 --> 00:16:36.118
- >> chris: totally.
- 00:16:36.118 --> 00:16:37.386
- And the hope that there is a future.
- 00:16:37.386 --> 00:16:39.088
- I think so many--and so many watching this show today,
- 00:16:39.088 --> 00:16:41.723
- Are feeling hopeless and helpless.
- 00:16:41.723 --> 00:16:44.293
- And i know that moment.
- 00:16:44.293 --> 00:16:46.428
- And joyce, and i think she shares about this beautifully,
- 00:16:46.428 --> 00:16:48.864
- That we have hit those walls where you think,
- 00:16:48.864 --> 00:16:51.633
- "i can't make it one more day.
- 00:16:51.633 --> 00:16:53.769
- And what has happened to me has so ruined me that god
- 00:16:53.769 --> 00:16:57.973
- Could not use me."
- 00:16:57.973 --> 00:16:59.441
- I can tell you years where i felt like used goods.
- 00:16:59.441 --> 00:17:02.845
- "what could god do with someone like me?"
- 00:17:02.845 --> 00:17:05.314
- Or, "if only people really knew what happened to me."
- 00:17:05.314 --> 00:17:08.817
- Or, you know, and the shame. i wore the cloak of shame.
- 00:17:08.817 --> 00:17:13.222
- It was my--i have no recollection of a time of,
- 00:17:13.222 --> 00:17:16.158
- In my youthfulness, childhood where, i don't--
- 00:17:16.158 --> 00:17:19.528
- Shame was a cloak i wore.
- 00:17:19.528 --> 00:17:21.330
- And yet in genesis 2:25, just before the fall, the very last
- 00:17:21.330 --> 00:17:25.200
- Verse that god wants us to know,
- 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:27.569
- Adam and eve were naked and they knew no shame.
- 00:17:27.569 --> 00:17:30.806
- Why would he tell us that right before the fall?
- 00:17:30.806 --> 00:17:33.909
- He goes, "i need you to know there was one thing you were
- 00:17:33.909 --> 00:17:36.645
- Created to never know what it feels like."
- 00:17:36.645 --> 00:17:39.181
- So if i was the enemy, and i wanted to take
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- Out the only thing created in the image of god,
- 00:17:41.450 --> 00:17:43.418
- Which is humanity, i would want them to wear
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- A cloak they were never designed to wear the weight of.
- 00:17:46.355 --> 00:17:49.158
- >> joyce: to just feel bad about yourself.
- 00:17:49.158 --> 00:17:51.093
- >> chris: that's where shame came
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- In and it hasn't left.
- 00:17:52.728 --> 00:17:54.329
- And if people understood, and i think that's why the power--
- 00:17:54.329 --> 00:17:57.799
- You think how many decades joyce has been sharing her story for.
- 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:01.770
- I've been all over the world on every continent with her,
- 00:18:01.770 --> 00:18:03.972
- As have you, ginger, and watched--
- 00:18:03.972 --> 00:18:06.441
- Because everybody's hurting somewhere.
- 00:18:06.441 --> 00:18:08.510
- It doesn't matter.
- 00:18:08.510 --> 00:18:09.778
- This is not a cultural thing, male or female, age.
- 00:18:09.778 --> 00:18:13.682
- This is where people sometimes are shocked.
- 00:18:13.682 --> 00:18:15.617
- How has joyce helped so many
- 00:18:15.617 --> 00:18:17.186
- Millions of people around the world?
- 00:18:17.186 --> 00:18:18.720
- I'm going, because pain knows no culture, no age.
- 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:21.323
- >> joyce: i remember when god told
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- Me one time, the first time i started
- 00:18:22.824 --> 00:18:24.560
- Going out of the country and speaking through an interpreter
- 00:18:24.560 --> 00:18:27.329
- And thinking maybe i needed to preach some other kind
- 00:18:27.329 --> 00:18:29.865
- Of messages because i was going.
- 00:18:29.865 --> 00:18:32.034
- And he said, "people have the same
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- Problems no matter what language they speak."
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- And that's true.
- 00:18:37.339 --> 00:18:39.241
- >> chris: and abuse happens--
- 00:18:39.241 --> 00:18:40.576
- I always say, ginger, when i'm looking at a survivor from
- 00:18:40.576 --> 00:18:43.812
- Human trafficking, i've gotta be able to look them
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- In the eyes, whether they're a little girl or a teenager,
- 00:18:45.881 --> 00:18:48.784
- And you've met survivors and victims,
- 00:18:48.784 --> 00:18:50.686
- You know, with conviction and go,
- 00:18:50.686 --> 00:18:52.888
- "the same god that healed me can heal you."
- 00:18:52.888 --> 00:18:56.491
- Now, if i believe that there was no hope
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- For them because of the country they lived in
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- Or the conditions they're around or the kind
- 00:19:01.496 --> 00:19:03.599
- Of abuse that happened, i need to get another job.
- 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:06.702
- I either really believe that jesus can heal, that we--
- 00:19:06.702 --> 00:19:10.205
- Because not everyone has access to therapy.
- 00:19:10.205 --> 00:19:12.641
- And thank god for therapists.
- 00:19:12.641 --> 00:19:13.942
- We employ some of the best at a21.
- 00:19:13.942 --> 00:19:15.611
- But the thing is, there are many people even watching this
- 00:19:15.611 --> 00:19:17.846
- Program today that go, "i wish i could--"
- 00:19:17.846 --> 00:19:20.115
- But my bible says in isaiah that we have a "wonderful"
- 00:19:20.115 --> 00:19:23.018
- Capital c, "counselor."
- 00:19:23.018 --> 00:19:24.519
- That's why i love--in the memoir, you know, there's
- 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:27.256
- So much talk about the power of the holy spirit bringing
- 00:19:27.256 --> 00:19:30.359
- Healing and wholeness because i am very much telling
- 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.428
- A generation that i wish everybody maybe had access
- 00:19:33.428 --> 00:19:37.165
- To a counselor, but not everybody will.
- 00:19:37.165 --> 00:19:38.900
- There's 8 billion people in the world.
- 00:19:38.900 --> 00:19:40.502
- There's not enough.
- 00:19:40.502 --> 00:19:41.837
- And there's so much trauma and there's so much abuse and there
- 00:19:41.837 --> 00:19:44.106
- Have been genocides and there's been pain and war and struggle
- 00:19:44.106 --> 00:19:47.376
- And just--
- 00:19:47.376 --> 00:19:48.110
- >> ginger : unimaginable.
- 00:19:48.110 --> 00:19:49.211
- >> chris: unimaginable
- 00:19:49.211 --> 00:19:50.078
- And unspeakable pain.
- 00:19:50.078 --> 00:19:51.380
- So can we lie in bed at night and go,
- 00:19:51.380 --> 00:19:54.850
- "holy spirit, do you hear me?
- 00:19:54.850 --> 00:19:56.752
- Do you see me? can you heal me?"
- 00:19:56.752 --> 00:19:58.687
- And my answer is, "yes." and your answer is, "yes."
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- >> joyce: yes.
- 00:20:01.723 --> 00:20:02.424
- >> ginger: one thing i love
- 00:20:02.424 --> 00:20:03.659
- About this story, too, is that it, it is not
- 00:20:03.659 --> 00:20:08.230
- Just a childhood of pain that was healed.
- 00:20:08.230 --> 00:20:10.365
- It's an entire life.
- 00:20:10.365 --> 00:20:11.867
- I mean, it is god walking through all of the different
- 00:20:11.867 --> 00:20:15.537
- Seasons and seeing what it was like to be a woman in ministry.
- 00:20:15.537 --> 00:20:21.143
- >> chris: totally.
- 00:20:21.143 --> 00:20:22.110
- >> ginger : and seeing what it was like
- 00:20:22.110 --> 00:20:24.513
- To raise children and to have 60 years of a marriage.
- 00:20:24.513 --> 00:20:27.282
- I mean, there is much to learn from each other.
- 00:20:27.282 --> 00:20:30.285
- >> joyce: oh, yeah.
- 00:20:30.285 --> 00:20:31.253
- >> chris: that's what i loved
- 00:20:31.253 --> 00:20:32.421
- About all of it.
- 00:20:32.421 --> 00:20:33.588
- I'm like, you don't sugarcoat anything, as in, joyce.
- 00:20:33.588 --> 00:20:35.924
- And i'm like, "well, wherever you are in your marriage,
- 00:20:35.924 --> 00:20:38.627
- Anybody looking at this, you're gonna have hope."
- 00:20:38.627 --> 00:20:41.463
- "wherever you are raising kids, you're gonna have hope."
- 00:20:41.463 --> 00:20:44.800
- And, you know, the gift of not sugarcoating,
- 00:20:44.800 --> 00:20:47.202
- I think it is the greatest gift you've given
- 00:20:47.202 --> 00:20:49.037
- To our generation.
- 00:20:49.037 --> 00:20:49.938
- >> joyce: most--anybody that compliments
- 00:20:49.938 --> 00:20:52.874
- Me, they'll say, "i love your--
- 00:20:52.874 --> 00:20:55.877
- You tell it like it is."
- 00:20:55.877 --> 00:20:57.279
- >> chris: mm-hmm, yep.
- 00:20:57.279 --> 00:20:58.447
- >> joyce: and people really
- 00:20:58.447 --> 00:20:59.481
- Don't want it sugarcoated.
- 00:20:59.481 --> 00:21:02.084
- Their pain is real and they want some real answers.
- 00:21:02.084 --> 00:21:04.886
- Let's just talk about a few things just to give people
- 00:21:04.886 --> 00:21:08.056
- Watching maybe a few goals.
- 00:21:08.056 --> 00:21:10.892
- Like--
- 00:21:10.892 --> 00:21:12.561
- First of all, john 8:31-32 says,
- 00:21:12.561 --> 00:21:18.100
- "if you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you
- 00:21:18.100 --> 00:21:21.970
- Will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
- 00:21:21.970 --> 00:21:26.174
- Now, the fact is, i was abused.
- 00:21:26.174 --> 00:21:30.245
- I had many other stupid, crazy things happen to me.
- 00:21:30.245 --> 00:21:32.948
- I mean, i got to the point where i thought,
- 00:21:32.948 --> 00:21:37.319
- "am i just somebody for the devil to pick
- 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:39.521
- On the rest of my life?"
- 00:21:39.521 --> 00:21:41.189
- And that was a fact.
- 00:21:41.189 --> 00:21:45.327
- But god's word is the truth.
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- And people need to realize that truth is greater than facts.
- 00:21:47.496 --> 00:21:52.100
- >> chris: amen.
- 00:21:52.100 --> 00:21:53.034
- >> joyce: i want 'em to hear that.
- 00:21:53.034 --> 00:21:54.836
- You know, because you may say,
- 00:21:54.836 --> 00:21:56.738
- "well, the facts are,"
- 00:21:56.738 --> 00:21:58.507
- But the truth is.
- 00:21:58.507 --> 00:22:00.008
- >> chris: exactly.
- 00:22:00.008 --> 00:22:01.343
- >> joyce: and if you know the truth
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- And you apply that truth to your life,
- 00:22:03.412 --> 00:22:07.015
- Then you will be set free.
- 00:22:07.015 --> 00:22:09.651
- And "whom the son sets free is free indeed."
- 00:22:09.651 --> 00:22:13.355
- You're free to the point where
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- It's as if it never happened to you.
- 00:22:15.323 --> 00:22:17.359
- >> chris: yeah.
- 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:18.160
- >> ginger: that's huge.
- 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:19.361
- >> joyce: and actually, for me, when i--
- 00:22:19.361 --> 00:22:22.631
- Like my daughter said to me, she said,
- 00:22:22.631 --> 00:22:25.700
- "does it bother you--?"
- 00:22:25.700 --> 00:22:29.704
- I've been reading the book for audio.
- 00:22:29.704 --> 00:22:31.706
- "does it bother you to read read all that.
- 00:22:31.706 --> 00:22:34.476
- It's been kind of interesting, like,
- 00:22:34.476 --> 00:22:37.579
- Studying my life from beginning to end.
- 00:22:37.579 --> 00:22:41.082
- And i'm like, "i should be nuts."
- 00:22:41.082 --> 00:22:43.985
- "i should be crazy."
- 00:22:43.985 --> 00:22:45.454
- And yet, i'm happy and fulfilled and whole.
- 00:22:45.454 --> 00:22:49.024
- And i--you know, i don't deal with guilt and shame.
- 00:22:49.024 --> 00:22:53.428
- And god has done so much in my life.
- 00:22:53.428 --> 00:22:56.331
- And how can you be unhappy about that?
- 00:22:56.331 --> 00:22:59.901
- But there were things that i had to do.
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- Stop feeling sorry for myself was a big one.
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- And i told god, when he started dealing with me about feeling
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- Sorry for myself, i said, "well, you know,
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- I have a reason to feel sorry for myself."
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- And he said, "you have a reason,
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- But you have no right to because i'm willing
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- To set you free."
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- >> chris: that's powerful.
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- That alone is--
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- >> joyce: and he told me--
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- 'cause i was in ministry and wanting to have
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- A powerful ministry.
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- And he said, "you got a choice.
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- You can be pitiful or you can be powerful."
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- So there's a handful of things like that that god spoke
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- To me that really...
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- >> chris: oh, yeah.
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- >> joyce: i mean, got me through what--
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- >> chris: i'm just thinking as you're
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- Talking, as you're saying that,
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- Because it's not the truth that you don't know that'll set
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- You free, but the truth that you know.
- 00:23:46.748 --> 00:23:48.550
- And you committed yourself and you were my,
- 00:23:48.550 --> 00:23:51.953
- Obviously my role model, for decades now that i think
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- Fast-tracked the process for me.
- 00:23:54.723 --> 00:23:56.424
- It's like, "chris, you gotta get that truth into you.
- 00:23:56.424 --> 00:23:59.160
- You're gonna--
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- Whether you want to take that medicine or not."
- 00:24:00.195 --> 00:24:02.097
- Like, who wants to hear,
- 00:24:02.097 --> 00:24:03.164
- "you could be pitiful or powerful?"
- 00:24:03.164 --> 00:24:04.599
- I like my pity party.
- 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:05.934
- I'm normally the only one that attends.
- 00:24:05.934 --> 00:24:07.536
- But, you know, it's like-- but it feels good.
- 00:24:07.536 --> 00:24:10.005
- And i keep saying this because why we're having this program
- 00:24:10.005 --> 00:24:12.974
- Is i want a generation to be set free.
- 00:24:12.974 --> 00:24:15.277
- So it's not--so this sort of generation that is all,
- 00:24:15.277 --> 00:24:18.079
- "but i feel, but i feel."
- 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:19.848
- Well, i'm not denying that you feel,
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- But that's not gonna heal you.
- 00:24:22.384 --> 00:24:24.052
- What's going to heal--
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- >> joyce: and that pity gives
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- You a reason to act bad.
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- >> chris: that's the thing.
- 00:24:28.023 --> 00:24:29.224
- And it justifies it.
- 00:24:29.224 --> 00:24:30.358
- And we're living in a world that justifies it.
- 00:24:30.358 --> 00:24:32.861
- And i guess, saying, if you can learn from two older sisters
- 00:24:32.861 --> 00:24:35.297
- In christ who for decades have done this and you go,
- 00:24:35.297 --> 00:24:37.499
- "i wanna walk in that freedom,"
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- Then it's the truth that you know.
- 00:24:39.100 --> 00:24:41.036
- But that means sometimes like taking medicine you don't like,
- 00:24:41.036 --> 00:24:43.672
- You gotta take it and you've gotta swallow it
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- And you've gotta apply it.
- 00:24:46.274 --> 00:24:47.676
- >> ginger: yeah.
- 00:24:47.676 --> 00:24:48.643
- >> joyce: god loves you and wants to help
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- You with whatever battle you may be facing right now.
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- Thank you for joining us today.
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- We love you and we would really
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- Love it if you would join us every day.
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- >> joyce: i've learned so much
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- Through the years.
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- I've faced heartbreak, disappointment, abuse,
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- Abandonment, and obstacles i wasn't sure i would survive.
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- But i've also experienced god's grace, love, and healing.
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- Now i'm sharing my entire story like never before.
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- There's much more than you may know.
- 00:25:22.143 --> 00:25:24.613
- I believe now is the time for me to share even deeper because
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- I have seen god bring great good from my battles,
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- And i believe god will do the same for you.
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- >> [♪♪]
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- >> announcer: we hope you enjoyed today's program.
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