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Praise the Lord | February 26, 2016

Leon Fontaine

February 26, 2016

1:24:46

Leon Fontaine hosts Andrew Farley, Bruxy Cavey, Pastor Rob Koke, Pastor Luke Koke and music by Myron Butler

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Praise the Lord | February 26, 2016

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- male announcer: From coast
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to coast, and around the world,
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it's time to praise the Lord!
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Praise the Lord
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let every nation rejoice!
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Praise the Lord
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- announcer: Welcome to
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the number one Christian network
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in all the world.
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Joining us from
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the International Production
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Center in Dallas, Texas,
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are bestselling author
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and minister, Andrew Farley;
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Teaching Pastor
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at The Meeting House in Ontario,
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Canada, Bruxy Cavey;
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Senior Pastor of Shoreline
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Church in Austin, Texas,
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Rob Koke;
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ministering in music,
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Myron Butler.
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Ready to take your calls,
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prayer partners
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Praise the Lord
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let every nation rejoice!
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Praise the Lord
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with one mighty voice!
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Praise the Lord!
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Praise the Lord!
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Praise...
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- announcer: Now your host,
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Pastor of Springs Church
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and CEO of The Miracle Channel,
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Leon Fontaine!
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[audience applauding]
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- Leon Fontaine: Hey, it is
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so good, so good to have you
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with us tonight.
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We're gonna have an amazing
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time.
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We've got some great guests that
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I know you are gonna love.
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These are men who are doing
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something, not just great
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And I can't wait to get to them
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and interview so you get ready
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for 90 minutes of amazing
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television and programming and I
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know you're gonna wanna get a
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notebook and a pencil.
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Get ready to take some great
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notes 'cause these guys, at the
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same time, aren't just deep and
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know the Word, but there's such
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relevance.
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There's a coolness.
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I like 'em.
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They're all great friends.
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But right off the bat, we've got
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an amazing artist with us,
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Myron Butler,
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and he's got a CD out
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called "Myron Butler Worship"
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and he's gonna do a song for us
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right now.
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All right.
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- Myron Butler: Hallelujah.
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Let's give the Lord another hand
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praise.
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It's a very simple worship song
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that we all know.
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Simply says--
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Water you turned into wine,
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There's no one like you.
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Into the darkness you shine
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and out of the ashes we rise
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There's no one like you.
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Hallelujah.
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None like you.
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Help me all over the room.
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Everybody, sing.
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We sing.
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Our God is greater,
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our God is stronger.
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God, you are higher
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than any other.
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Our God is Healer,
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awesome in power.
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Our God!
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If you know that,
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sing along one more time.
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Ohhh.
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Our God is greater,
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our God is stronger.
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God, you are higher
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than any other.
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Ohh, our God is Healer,
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yes, Lord.
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Awesome in power.
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Our God!
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Our God!
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Everybody in the room,
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just lift your hands
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as an act of worship.
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Hallelujah.
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You can stand on your feet
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if you want to.
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Let's sing
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this verse together.
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We sing
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Water,
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Water you turned into
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wine.
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That's it.
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Opened the eyes.
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Opened the eyes
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of the blind.
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There's no one like you.
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If you believe it, sing it
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from your soul tonight.
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None like you.
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And into the darkness
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you shine.
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Into the darkness you shine,
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yes, Lord.
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Out of the ashes we rise.
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There's no one like--
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no one, no one.
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Anybody proud of the
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God you serve tonight?
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We sing.
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Our God is greater,
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our God is stronger.
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Yes, Lord.
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God, you are higher
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than any other.
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Our God is Healer,
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awesome in power.
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Our God!
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C'mon,
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let me hear you singing
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from the mountaintop.
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One more time.
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Our God!
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Sing.
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Our God is greater,
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our God is stronger.
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God, you are higher
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than any other.
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Ohh, our God is Healer,
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awesome in power.
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And if you believe this
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tonight, sing with us.
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And if our God,
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we sing together.
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And if our God is for us,
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then who could ever stop us
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then what could stand...
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And if our God is for us,
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yes, Lord, then who
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could ever stop us.
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Ohh, and if our God is
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with us.
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One more time.
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Then what could stand--
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And if our God.
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And if our God is for us,
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then who could ever stop us.
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And if our God is with us,
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then what
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One more time.
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And if our God
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And if our God is for us,
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then who could ever stop us.
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And if our God is with us,
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then what could stand...
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I believe it in my soul
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that nothing
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can stand against us.
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Nothing,
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What could stand
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against.
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Yes, Lord.
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Hallelujah to the King of kings
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and the Lord of lords.
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We all sing tonight together.
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Our God.
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Sing.
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Our God is greater,
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yes, our God is stronger.
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God, you are higher
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than any other.
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Our God is Healer, awesome
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awesome in power.
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Our God!
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If you believe it,
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sing it one more time.
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Yes, sing.
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Our God is greater,
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our God is stronger.
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God, you are higher
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than any other.
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Our God is Healer,
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awesome in power.
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Our God!
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If you believe that tonight,
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give God a great
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shout in the house!
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Hallelujah.
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Give God praise in
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[audience applauding]
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- Leon: "Our God is For Us."
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What a great song.
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You know, we're gonna have an
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amazing, amazing time tonight
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and I wanna remind you tonight,
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as you're watching, that it is
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partners like you that have
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making this so special, that it
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goes around the world.
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And what TBN is doing is second
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to none.
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Tonight, we'd love to have you
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partner with us and, as you go
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we've got prayer partners
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standing by, ready to pray with
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you.
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Watch this.
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- announcer: More.
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God wants to do more in you,
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more through you, and more for
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you, if only you'll let him.
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In it, Andrew exposes how we
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explains why we must change
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the image we see of ourselves
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in order to experience
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God's abundance.
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You'll discover that when you
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let the Word of God paint a true
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breakthroughs will follow.
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God" and "The Founders' Bible,"
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for your gift.
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Help us take the limits off of
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Take a moment right now to send
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- Leon: Awesome.
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So I wanna thank you in advance
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so much for being a part of
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helping us out.
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Well, I've got a couple of great
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guests, Rob and Luke Koke.
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It's so good to have you guys
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with me.
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- Rob Koke: We are thrilled
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to be here, Leon.
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This is a wonderful,
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wonderful experience.
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- Leon: Now, just so those
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who don't know who you guys are.
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You're the founder and Senior
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Pastor of Shoreline Church
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in Austin, Texas.
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But we were chatting off screen
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and where are
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all the Shorelines now?
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- Rob: Well, we have a number
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of different locations.
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Shoreline South, Shoreline East,
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in Austin.
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And then within the network,
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we have Shoreline Dallas,
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we have Shoreline Tulsa, we
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to be Shoreline Guatemala
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so it's spreading all around.
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So it's great, yeah.
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We love it.
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- Leon: Ha, ha, ha.
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And Luke, it is so good to have
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you with us, the--as a young
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adult pastor in church.
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- Luke Koke: Yeah, honored to
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be here.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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I appreciate it.
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- Leon: Now, we have been
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friends for a--for years and
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years.
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That's why I'm looking at this
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young man, going, "Man, I
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remember when he was running
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around the pool when we were
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sitting around talking about the
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goodness of God and--"
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- Luke: I'm still running
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around the pool, but--
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- Rob: So you know, what's
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really great about being
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together here tonight is it is a
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joy to have great friends that
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you do life together with and,
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you know, ministry that you've
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been a part of for all of these
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years is so similar to the
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ministry that we're a part of in
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Austin.
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And when we get together we just
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talk shop.
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And we talk about how we can
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make Jesus famous and proclaim
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the beauty and the majesty of
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the grace of God and what a
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thrill to do that.
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- Leon: It's so true.
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Often, when we meet at
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conferences, you know, where is
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Rob and Leon?
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Well, they'll be somewhere
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aside, sitting there talking
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back and forth.
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Because not an awful lot of
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people love to just jump
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straight in and just talk Word.
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Just talk what is God doing.
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What are you finding?
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- Rob: Well, we have the
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greatest message in all the
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world.
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We have the message of
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redemption and healing.
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We have the message of God's
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grace.
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You can find in any philosophy
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of life, in any religion of the
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world, you could find this idea
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that if you're good enough, then
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you can make it in, you know,
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that good people go to heaven
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and bad people don't.
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But in reality, we get to
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celebrate that it's not our
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goodness, it's his goodness on
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our behalf.
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- Leon: C'mon, so true.
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- Rob: And heaven is not a
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place where good people go.
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Heaven is a place where forgiven
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people go.
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And all of us are in need of a
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Savior and we've got the
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greatest message in the world.
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- Leon: You know, a lot of
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people think, "Well, why don't
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all the religions just kind of
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get along, you know?
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C'mon, it's the same God.
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What's the big deal?"
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And Christianity gets along no
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problem, but it is completely
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different 'cause you're right,
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every religion out there and I
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can't call Christianity a
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religion although others do, but
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I mean, it is all about doing
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something to earn favor somehow
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and never seeming to get there.
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- Rob: Do good, get good.
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Do bad, get bad.
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That's the mantra of every
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organization out there.
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But Christianity is, "He did
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good, we did bad, and out of his
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good, we get good."
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And that's the best message in
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the whole world.
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It is.
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And how can you beat that?
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- Leon: Yeah, no.
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- Rob: And we get to live with
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all of our sins forgiven, a
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brand new identity, and the
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Spirit of God living on the
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inside of us, all as an act of
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God's incredible grace.
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And we got the greatest gifts in
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all the world.
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- Leon: You know, grace is
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coming on the scene in a
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beautiful way right now.
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I mean, it's no matter where I
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turn on the television or at
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conferences, I just see this, I
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don't know if it would be a
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resurgence or the message just
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needs to be added to all the
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things that are being taught but
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I am meeting pastor after leader
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who has just been invigorated
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with God's, as they begin to
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study, a fresh grace.
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But you, I've heard you
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preaching this for a couple of
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decades.
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It's--talk to me a little bit
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about--just define grace and why
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it so changes your life.
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'Cause you're the real deal, I
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was talking to some guys about
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you.
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Couple of other friends of mine
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are here that I'm gonna talk
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with next--so they haven't met
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you and I was talking about you
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and I just said, "Well, this guy
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is the real deal.
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He's doing something incredible
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for God.
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He's got a little ego and he's
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in love with Jesus Christ."
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And I just sort of bragged on
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you.
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I thought, "Man, it is great to
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talk about one of your friends
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and just not be able to say
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enough good."
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But I know God's grace is what
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has really helped you.
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- Rob: Yeah.
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You know, when you think about
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life and you think about the
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Scriptures, there's no doubt
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message of the wisdom of
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Scriptures, you know, and so the
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reality that, you know, you're
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gonna reap what you sow is
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something that the Bible teaches
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and even Jesus spoke about.
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You reap what you sow.
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But the things that make the
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biggest impact in your life
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don't come from reaping what you
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sow.
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In fact, you know, some of the
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biggest tragedies in life are
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often the byproduct of reaping
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something that you didn't sow.
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you know, and they were killed,
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you know, they asked Jesus, you
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know, what bad thing did these
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people do?
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And Jesus said, "You know what?
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You don't have it right,
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you know.
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Your thinking about
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this is not accurate.
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Because, you know, sometimes
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tragedy unfolds in people's
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lives and they didn't earn it.
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They didn't sow to get it."
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- Leon: That's powerful.
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- Rob: This is gonna get, you
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know, maybe a little bit deep
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and personal for us but about 7
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years ago we lost our son in a
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tragic car accident and he fell
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asleep on the way home from a
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church event and, yeah, he fell
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asleep and he hit a tree.
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And he was instantly relocated
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to heaven.
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And I can tell you, honestly,
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that tragedy that we reaped in
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our lives, we didn't sow for
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that, you know?
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There's nothing bad enough we
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could have ever done to reap the
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pain that comes from losing, you
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know, your 17-year-old son.
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And people ask me from time to
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time, "Well, you know, that's
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not fair, is it?
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It's not fair that you would
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reap something that you didn't
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sow."
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And I think, yes, that's true,
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but I wouldn't want to change
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the world to be a place where
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it's all about fairness because
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the greatest gifts in life we
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receive and we didn't sow to
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earn it.
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Forgiveness, we didn't sow to
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earn forgiveness but we get it.
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We didn't sow to earn a brand
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new identity but we get it.
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We didn't sow to earn heaven but
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we get it.
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The greatest gifts in life come
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as a result of God's grace and
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he gives us what we don't
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deserve.
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And I would never want to
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exchange the unfairness of this
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world.
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I wouldn't wanna exchange that
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for fairness because then I
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would lose out on the greatest
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gifts.
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The greatest gifts that come to
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us come because of what God does
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for us that we don't deserve.
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- Leon: Now, see, that's a huge
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difference between us, amen,
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that's worth a bigger hand,
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isn't it?
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That is a big difference between
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Christianity and other world
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religions because in most of
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them that I'm aware of, when
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something goes wrong in
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someone's life, people just kind
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of back away and they know,
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okay, he's done something.
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I mean, in some religions, they
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won't even help people in a
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crisis because they need to go
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through this so they're
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reincarnated pro--I mean, it's
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amazing the teaching out there.
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But Jesus, man, he forgives us
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and gives us a life.
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He qualifies us for it.
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Now, you mentioned something
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really good though, that I think
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will set a lot of people free.
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If you're watching, and
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something bad has happened to
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you, you need to know everything
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that happens to us is not sowing
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and reaping.
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- Rob: Yeah, yeah.
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And that's really important to
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recognize, you know.
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We talk a lot of times about
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world religions and, in my view,
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what you just said is really
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accurate.
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In all of my research, it does
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boil down to this idea that it's
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man who's trying to somehow earn
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his way, you know, to God and
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somehow appease an angry God.
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All the religions are the same
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that way.
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And Christianity is in stark
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contrast to that.
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It's not based on what we've
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done.
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It's based on what he's done for
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us and that's the beauty of it.
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Thank God for it.
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But, if we're not careful,
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sometimes even in the Christian
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world, we can kind of get, you
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know, a little bit sideways on
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this issue and it becomes a
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little bit legalistic and I
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don't know how many people who
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have been grieving through loss
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also have to deal with the
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condemnation that comes from
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other believers who said, you
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know what, if you would have
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just prayed a little bit more,
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had a little bit more faith.
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- Leon: Crazy.
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- Rob: You know, and so we
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disqualify people because they
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haven't done enough on their own
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when God ultimately and
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beautifully and in a 100% way
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has qualified us by what Jesus
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And that's--
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- Leon: So true.
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Luke, well--
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- Luke: I wanna tag off of
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that.
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- Leon: Yeah, go for it.
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- Luke: And say, you know, the
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thief comes to, you know, kill,
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steal, and destroy.
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Bottom line, you know, there's
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an enemy out there in Satan that
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just wants to do anything he can
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to tear us apart, to get us off
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track, to cause us to forget
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about Jesus and everything that
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he represents.
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And, you know, if you're
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watching tonight and that's you,
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just wanna encourage you is that
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that is all powerful,
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all loving, all caring,
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all grace-filled.
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And there is nothing that you
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can go through that God won't
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get you through to the other
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side, so.
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- Leon: Yeah, that'll preach.
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Ha, that'll preach.
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Ha, ha, ha, ha.
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- Rob: Who would have known?
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Little boy growing up to preach.
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Anyway--
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- Leon: You've watched your dad
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your whole life, Pastor.
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And I think one of the things I
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love about second generation
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pastors as they rise up is that
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you had a chance to watch.
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And when you watch, you learn,
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you develop skills.
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God's given you gifts.
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But there is this intuitiveness
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that comes with kids raised in
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the ministry that you just don't
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know why you know what you know
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and you know what to do when
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others don't know what to do and
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you kinda go, "How did you know
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that, Luke?"
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You kinda go, "Well, that's just
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commonsense."
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But it is for you because of how
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you've been raised.
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- Luke: Yeah.
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I mean, being raised by him, you
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know, I can't--
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- Rob: And your mom.
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- Luke: And Mom.
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- Leon: Ha, yeah, don't forget
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Mom.
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You're gonna get in trouble.
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- Luke: And Mom.
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Sorry, Mom.
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She's watching.
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You know, something about you
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two that I really, really loved
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is they set a perfect example of
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really what it's like to, you
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know, be parents, not only but
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also, just pastors.
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And I think there are a lot of
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things, you know, sometimes that
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we understand more than other
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people might understand when it
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comes to, you know, Christianity
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and understanding Jesus and
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morals and all this different
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stuff.
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But, you know, one thing I'm
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definitely grateful for is the
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way that they raised us as kids.
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Despite the flaws that we've
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made, you know, throughout life,
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it's definitely come back to us
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on a level when we were kind of,
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you know, off track,
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remembering, you know what?
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This is what our parents taught
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us.
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This is what we're supposed to
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do, so I'm definitely grateful
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for their leadership.
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- Leon: Okay, you just said
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something that's really cool
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that I like because I talk to a
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lot of preachers' kids and a lot
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of 'em don't make it.
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Because they feel this guilt to
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be perfect, act perfect, do
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everything right.
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If you do something wrong you're
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in a glass house.
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Your parents gave you permission
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to fail, didn't they?
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- Luke: Absolutely, absolutely.
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And I think that there's a lot
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of good in that because
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eventually, everybody's gonna do
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something, you're gonna do
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something that you're--isn't
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necessarily--
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- Leon: You're gonna trip and
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fall somewhere.
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- Luke: That's true, yeah.
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You're gonna trip or fall
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somewhere.
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But I think that's also
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important to the testament of
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who God is.
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You know, it doesn't matter what
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we do, where we go, he's always
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there with his arms wide open,
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saying, "Hey, come back home, I
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got you," so.
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- Rob: Beautiful.
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- Leon: So beautiful.
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Now, you're working with your
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dad and Shoreline is a huge
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church.
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It is thousands upon thousands
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of people that attend.
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If I was to ask you, Luke, why
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do people come in a day
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when--you've been raised in a
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great church but that's, like,
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1%, if that, of the churches.
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Why do you think when you meet
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all the young men, all the young
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women, the people that attend,
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why do you think they come to
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Shoreline?
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- Luke: I think one word and
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that one word is acceptance.
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You know, something that I--
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- Leon: So once they get all
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cleaned up, you accept them?
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- Luke: Yes.
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- Rob: I thought you were gonna
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say my preaching.
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- Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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His preaching as well.
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But I think one thing Shoreline
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is really, really good at is it
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doesn't matter your past, it
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doesn't matter your present,
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doesn't matter the color of your
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skin, doesn't matter the things
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you've done wrong or the things
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you've done right.
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Whether you have tattoos,
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whether you drink, whether you
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smoke, it doesn't matter.
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And I think part of that is
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because we wanna be a church
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that whoever walks in those
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doors just feels welcome.
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They feel loved.
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They feel encouraged,
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they feel valued.
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- Leon: Yeah, yeah.
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- Luke: They feel understood.
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- Leon: That's so true.
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- Luke: And they feel like
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somebody's gonna reach out to
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them, encourage them, and bring
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them into this God family.
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And I think that, you know, part
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of my thing that I really love
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and feel God put on my heart to
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do is just reach out to people
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and make everyone know that,
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hey, man, you're accepted and
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you're loved and, you know,
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Christianity isn't this over,
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you know, spiritual type of
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thing where if you do something
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bad like you were saying
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earlier, then you're cast out.
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We're not gonna talk to you.
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We wanna be very close and I
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think that's what God has called
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us to do is to reach out to
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those who are lost and hurting
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and broken and just be there for
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them.
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- Leon: We had a situation in
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our church a little while ago
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where purses started to go
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missing every Sunday.
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And we couldn't catch the person
00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:57.090
who was doing this.
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And people got mad that thieves
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are coming to church.
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And I got up one time and I
00:24:03.130 --> 00:24:04.170
basically said what you just
00:24:04.170 --> 00:24:06.050
said.
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I said, "Folks, wanna encourage
00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.010
ladies, 'Hang on to your purses,
00:24:08.010 --> 00:24:09.120
don't put 'em underneath.
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They're going missing every
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Sunday.'"
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And you could hear people
00:24:13.190 --> 00:24:14.130
going, "Agh, agh."
00:24:14.130 --> 00:24:15.150
I said, "Isn't it wonderful that
00:24:15.150 --> 00:24:17.010
thieves are coming to our
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church?"
00:24:17.280 --> 00:24:20.280
And then they all kind of
00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:21.210
rejuggled their thinking.
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- Luke: That's what it's all
00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:24.130
about.
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Honestly, I think it's all about
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whether you're a thief or
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struggling with anything, you're
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:28.210
welcome in the house of God at
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any time.
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- Leon: I had a guy talk to me
00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:31.080
one time and he says, "Yeah,
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Leon, I really love your
00:24:32.230 --> 00:24:33.220
preaching."
00:24:33.220 --> 00:24:34.280
He says, "I love Springs
00:24:34.280 --> 00:24:36.040
Church," which is the name of
00:24:36.040 --> 00:24:37.070
our church.
00:24:37.070 --> 00:24:37.250
He says, "But I gotta tell you
00:24:37.250 --> 00:24:38.210
why I don't come."
00:24:38.210 --> 00:24:39.250
And I'm going, "Oh, no, what's
00:24:39.250 --> 00:24:40.180
he gonna tell me?
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What doesn't he like about me?"
00:24:41.110 --> 00:24:42.090
And he goes, "You know, I
00:24:42.090 --> 00:24:43.220
wouldn't come to your church
00:24:43.220 --> 00:24:45.000
because your church is full of,
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.250
you know, I don't mean to sound
00:24:47.250 --> 00:24:49.020
proud or anything but it's just
00:24:49.020 --> 00:24:52.010
kinda riff-raff, you know?"
00:24:52.010 --> 00:24:54.190
And I looked at him, I said,
00:24:54.190 --> 00:24:55.260
"That's the greatest compliment
00:24:55.260 --> 00:24:57.020
you could have ever given me,
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'cause that's where Jesus would
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have pastored."
00:25:00.080 --> 00:25:02.080
- Rob: Yeah, I think we all
00:25:02.080 --> 00:25:02.290
know.
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:06.090
I was in the lobby not too long
00:25:06.090 --> 00:25:07.180
ago and someone says, "You know,
00:25:07.180 --> 00:25:08.200
there's people smoking outside,"
00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:10.110
and this, that, and the other.
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Someone else said, "You know,
00:25:12.010 --> 00:25:13.000
somebody was cussing in the
00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:14.000
hallway."
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And I said, "It wasn't my wife,
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was it?"
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- Leon: She's watching.
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Be careful.
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- Rob: I know, I know.
00:25:20.250 --> 00:25:22.020
The truth is, you know, we're
00:25:22.020 --> 00:25:22.280
all flawed and we all have
00:25:22.280 --> 00:25:24.170
issues.
00:25:24.170 --> 00:25:25.200
And the truth is we're loved by
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the Creator of the universe.
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The problem in life is never
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It's always that we don't know
00:25:35.080 --> 00:25:37.000
how much God loves us.
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:38.240
If we knew how much he loved us
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.100
then we would love him back
00:25:40.100 --> 00:25:41.270
spontaneously and passionately.
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- Leon: I think the church has
00:25:44.190 --> 00:25:46.060
gotta get this 'cause we keep
00:25:46.060 --> 00:25:47.100
thinking the church is a
00:25:47.100 --> 00:25:48.120
lighthouse and the Bible does
00:25:48.120 --> 00:25:50.240
say that, but it is a place to
00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:51.240
show the world how to live
00:25:52.040 --> 00:25:55.040
right.
00:25:55.040 --> 00:25:56.040
And if you take that too far,
00:25:56.040 --> 00:25:58.060
then you get a bunch of
00:25:58.060 --> 00:25:59.030
hypocrites acting like
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everything's fine with them, you
00:26:00.120 --> 00:26:02.030
know, and we're gonna be an
00:26:02.030 --> 00:26:03.110
example for the world, rather
00:26:03.110 --> 00:26:05.110
than recognizing if the stall is
00:26:05.110 --> 00:26:07.230
dirty, the oxen is working and
00:26:07.230 --> 00:26:09.270
so the church is reaching out,
00:26:09.270 --> 00:26:11.240
like, I mean, we had the same
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:13.090
problem.
00:26:13.090 --> 00:26:13.280
People were smoking everywhere
00:26:13.280 --> 00:26:14.260
and some of the leaders of the
00:26:14.260 --> 00:26:16.010
church said, "Well, you know,
00:26:16.010 --> 00:26:16.280
we should put up a sign,
00:26:16.280 --> 00:26:17.270
'No smoking.'"
00:26:17.270 --> 00:26:19.020
You know what I said?
00:26:19.020 --> 00:26:19.240
"No, put out ashtrays."
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And I think that it's--when
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we're talking about churches
00:26:26.140 --> 00:26:27.250
that are reaching people, that
00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:29.130
it's this attitude that Jesus
00:26:29.130 --> 00:26:31.100
had that you will accept people
00:26:31.100 --> 00:26:33.100
the way they are and when they
00:26:33.100 --> 00:26:35.080
come to your church, if you
00:26:35.080 --> 00:26:36.080
accept them the way they are,
00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:37.240
they open their heart and only
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:39.280
then can Jesus change them.
00:26:39.280 --> 00:26:42.170
So our disapproval and looking
00:26:42.170 --> 00:26:45.000
down at them is not gonna change
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:46.230
'em.
00:26:46.230 --> 00:26:47.210
One time I had a couple guys
00:26:47.210 --> 00:26:48.190
walk in and they were holding
00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:49.230
hands and they happened to walk
00:26:49.230 --> 00:26:51.140
past me.
00:26:51.140 --> 00:26:52.050
And they said, "Oh, you're
00:26:52.050 --> 00:26:53.030
the pastor here."
00:26:53.030 --> 00:26:54.090
And I said, "Yeah."
00:26:54.090 --> 00:26:55.050
They said, "Is it okay
00:26:55.050 --> 00:26:55.220
if we come to your church?"
00:26:55.220 --> 00:26:57.070
And I said, "Absolutely."
00:26:57.070 --> 00:26:58.190
"Oh, but," and then he holds
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hand, goes, "I love this man."
00:27:00.140 --> 00:27:02.260
I said, "You're more than
00:27:02.260 --> 00:27:03.270
welcome to come to our church."
00:27:03.270 --> 00:27:05.040
And he goes, "No, no, you don't
00:27:05.040 --> 00:27:06.020
get it.
00:27:06.020 --> 00:27:06.280
I love this man."
00:27:06.280 --> 00:27:09.100
And we were starting to get a
00:27:09.100 --> 00:27:10.010
crowd now in the foyer.
00:27:10.010 --> 00:27:11.120
And so I pointed to the ushers
00:27:11.120 --> 00:27:12.270
and the other men that
00:27:12.270 --> 00:27:13.180
were--said, "Do you see these
00:27:13.180 --> 00:27:14.110
men here?"
00:27:14.110 --> 00:27:15.060
I said, "I love these men."
00:27:15.100 --> 00:27:18.100
He looked at me and he goes,
00:27:18.100 --> 00:27:19.180
"No, you're not getting it.
00:27:19.180 --> 00:27:20.200
I love this man."
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:22.030
I said, "You're welcome here.
00:27:22.030 --> 00:27:23.090
I love these men."
00:27:23.090 --> 00:27:25.100
"Okay, you know what I'm talking
00:27:25.100 --> 00:27:27.070
about."
00:27:27.070 --> 00:27:28.160
And then I kind of smiled and I
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:29.150
said, "I know exactly what
00:27:29.150 --> 00:27:30.210
you're talking about."
00:27:30.210 --> 00:27:31.260
I said, "I love these guys.
00:27:31.260 --> 00:27:32.290
I just don't have sex with 'em.
00:27:32.290 --> 00:27:34.010
You're more than welcome to come
00:27:34.010 --> 00:27:34.240
to church.
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:35.130
Come on in."
00:27:35.130 --> 00:27:36.010
"I like you," he goes.
00:27:36.010 --> 00:27:37.130
And in they went.
00:27:37.130 --> 00:27:39.090
Like, this acceptance is saying
00:27:39.090 --> 00:27:41.100
to people, "Come as you are.
00:27:41.100 --> 00:27:43.170
As perfect or as messed up
00:27:43.170 --> 00:27:45.190
whichever you think you are,"
00:27:45.190 --> 00:27:47.160
and then let Jesus touch 'em,
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.090
right?
00:27:49.090 --> 00:27:50.100
- Rob: Absolutely.
00:27:50.100 --> 00:27:51.150
I think one of the biggest
00:27:51.150 --> 00:27:52.070
challenges is we're trying to
00:27:52.070 --> 00:27:53.260
catch 'em, you know?
00:27:56.100 --> 00:27:57.270
What's the deal with that, you
00:27:57.270 --> 00:27:59.100
know?
00:27:59.100 --> 00:28:00.110
- Leon: We're trying to clean
00:28:00.110 --> 00:28:01.020
'em before we catch 'em.
00:28:01.020 --> 00:28:01.250
- Rob: Yeah, so, yeah.
00:28:01.250 --> 00:28:02.170
- Luke: I think one of the
00:28:02.170 --> 00:28:03.090
biggest advantages for
00:28:03.090 --> 00:28:04.060
Christianity this day is your
00:28:04.060 --> 00:28:05.280
flaws.
00:28:05.280 --> 00:28:06.210
You know, I think when you come
00:28:06.210 --> 00:28:07.180
across as this perfect person,
00:28:07.180 --> 00:28:09.030
then you're not able to relate
00:28:09.030 --> 00:28:10.160
to people as much and so
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:11.220
whenever you go through things
00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:12.280
and whenever things happen to
00:28:12.280 --> 00:28:14.070
you, whether it's a death, a
00:28:14.070 --> 00:28:15.220
tragedy, some sort of thing that
00:28:15.220 --> 00:28:16.220
you're facing in your life, it's
00:28:16.220 --> 00:28:17.230
your flaws most often that can
00:28:17.230 --> 00:28:19.110
help reach other people at where
00:28:19.110 --> 00:28:20.150
they're dealing with and facing
00:28:22.170 --> 00:28:23.150
with and say, "Hey, brother,
00:28:23.150 --> 00:28:24.260
sister, I understand what you're
00:28:24.260 --> 00:28:26.050
going through.
00:28:26.050 --> 00:28:27.050
I've gone down that road before.
00:28:27.050 --> 00:28:28.200
You're welcome.
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:29.160
Come on in."
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.070
- Leon: And that is why so many
00:28:30.070 --> 00:28:31.160
people are coming.
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:33.070
And so many attracted.
00:28:33.070 --> 00:28:34.010
Now, you are doing--you're
00:28:34.010 --> 00:28:36.250
launching out into something
00:28:36.250 --> 00:28:37.190
really cool.
00:28:37.190 --> 00:28:38.230
You're launching out into
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conferencing.
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Is it for young singles.
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- Luke: Yeah, yeah.
00:28:42.270 --> 00:28:43.180
So basically, May 20 and 21
00:28:43.180 --> 00:28:44.290
we're doing this thing called
00:28:44.290 --> 00:28:46.100
5-1-2 Conference in Austin,
00:28:46.100 --> 00:28:48.180
Texas, here at Shoreline Church.
00:28:48.180 --> 00:28:50.040
And, you know, I had this dream
00:28:50.040 --> 00:28:51.210
a little while back about going,
00:28:51.210 --> 00:28:53.130
you know, going up to Mom and
00:28:53.130 --> 00:28:54.180
Dad, saying, "Man, it'd be
00:28:54.180 --> 00:28:55.130
really awesome to just unite the
00:28:55.130 --> 00:28:56.240
whole city of Austin."
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:58.070
So our area code is actually
00:28:58.070 --> 00:28:59.130
512.
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It's the number for everyone and
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:02.020
I decided, man, what if we just
00:29:02.020 --> 00:29:03.140
unite churches and get 'em all
00:29:03.140 --> 00:29:05.060
together, have a big conference,
00:29:05.060 --> 00:29:06.200
some awesome speakers coming to
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.240
share, and let's just see what
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:09.230
God does.
00:29:09.230 --> 00:29:10.150
And it's been awesome.
00:29:10.150 --> 00:29:11.140
We haven't even started really
00:29:11.140 --> 00:29:12.260
advertising it through the
00:29:12.260 --> 00:29:14.000
church yet but--
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- Leon: A ton of churches are
00:29:15.040 --> 00:29:15.250
getting involved?
00:29:15.250 --> 00:29:16.130
- Luke: Yeah, we have 15
00:29:16.130 --> 00:29:17.060
churches already involved, 8 of
00:29:17.060 --> 00:29:18.120
them outside of the city of
00:29:18.120 --> 00:29:19.150
Austin.
00:29:19.150 --> 00:29:20.120
And it's just crazy to see what
00:29:20.120 --> 00:29:21.240
God's doing because I really
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:23.030
believe that God not only has
00:29:23.030 --> 00:29:25.020
something special that he wants
00:29:25.020 --> 00:29:26.220
to do in Austin, Texas, but God
00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:28.200
is gonna be doing something
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.140
special all around the world and
00:29:30.140 --> 00:29:32.180
it takes all of us joining
00:29:32.180 --> 00:29:33.260
together and doing this
00:29:33.260 --> 00:29:34.290
together.
00:29:34.290 --> 00:29:36.030
- Leon: Well, I think the
00:29:36.030 --> 00:29:36.280
church needs a wake-up call.
00:29:36.280 --> 00:29:38.110
People ask me, "Leon, are you a
00:29:38.110 --> 00:29:39.210
church planting organization?"
00:29:39.210 --> 00:29:41.270
And I start telling 'em, "No,
00:29:41.270 --> 00:29:43.030
we're a church redeeming
00:29:43.030 --> 00:29:44.030
organization."
00:29:44.030 --> 00:29:45.100
"What do you mean?"
00:29:45.100 --> 00:29:46.060
"I just believe that there are
00:29:46.060 --> 00:29:47.190
some great churches out there
00:29:47.190 --> 00:29:48.280
but thousands are closing
00:29:48.280 --> 00:29:50.060
their doors every year.
00:29:50.060 --> 00:29:52.190
And they don't seem to get
00:29:52.190 --> 00:29:53.260
Spirit contemporary, being
00:29:53.260 --> 00:29:55.280
spiritually alive, but yet cool
00:29:55.280 --> 00:29:58.010
and relevant and able to answer
00:29:58.010 --> 00:30:00.130
questions they're asking.
00:30:00.130 --> 00:30:01.250
The actual ability to connect
00:30:01.250 --> 00:30:03.080
with people is so missing and
00:30:03.080 --> 00:30:05.250
so when churches get together
00:30:05.250 --> 00:30:06.240
and young men and women
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.020
just pack out.
00:30:08.020 --> 00:30:09.160
They come to worship God and to
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.270
be taught.
00:30:10.270 --> 00:30:11.190
I think that's totally, totally
00:30:11.190 --> 00:30:13.120
awesome.
00:30:13.120 --> 00:30:14.250
You know, we're gonna go to a
00:30:14.250 --> 00:30:15.280
song in just a minute but I'd
00:30:15.280 --> 00:30:17.130
love to have you guys pray.
00:30:17.130 --> 00:30:19.120
'Cause there are people watching
00:30:19.120 --> 00:30:20.200
right now and I thought I'd love
00:30:21.090 --> 00:30:24.090
to have you pray for that person
00:30:24.090 --> 00:30:25.230
that's going through a tragedy.
00:30:25.230 --> 00:30:27.010
And I know the guilt,
00:30:27.010 --> 00:30:28.250
the condemnation.
00:30:28.250 --> 00:30:30.240
And when you're done, I want you
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.050
to pray for the emerging
00:30:32.050 --> 00:30:33.070
generation.
00:30:33.070 --> 00:30:34.080
Everywhere I'm going today, I'm
00:30:34.080 --> 00:30:35.130
just seeing gray hair.
00:30:35.130 --> 00:30:37.220
Few churches have all age
00:30:37.220 --> 00:30:39.120
groups.
00:30:39.120 --> 00:30:40.190
It's usually just the older and
00:30:40.190 --> 00:30:42.090
now, there's a lot of great
00:30:42.090 --> 00:30:43.200
churches that we hang with that
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:44.290
have them but it's not the norm.
00:30:44.290 --> 00:30:47.020
And let's pray for them.
00:30:47.020 --> 00:30:48.160
But Rob, would you start and
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:49.220
pray for that person listening
00:30:49.220 --> 00:30:50.150
right now.
00:30:50.150 --> 00:30:51.140
- Rob: Father, we just come
00:30:51.140 --> 00:30:52.040
before you and we are so
00:30:52.040 --> 00:30:54.100
grateful and thankful that our
00:30:54.100 --> 00:30:56.040
relationship with you transcends
00:30:57.050 --> 00:31:00.070
all of the experiences and
00:31:00.070 --> 00:31:02.150
difficulties of life.
00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:04.190
And Father, you wanna meet us
00:31:04.190 --> 00:31:05.230
right where we live and, Father,
00:31:05.230 --> 00:31:07.110
we would never survive the loss
00:31:07.110 --> 00:31:09.140
of loved ones.
00:31:09.140 --> 00:31:10.090
We would never survive the
00:31:10.090 --> 00:31:11.270
setbacks and the difficulties of
00:31:11.270 --> 00:31:13.150
life on our own.
00:31:13.150 --> 00:31:15.010
And so, Father, I'm so grateful
00:31:15.010 --> 00:31:15.260
that your presence is with us.
00:31:15.260 --> 00:31:18.070
Now, Lord, I'm praying right now
00:31:18.070 --> 00:31:19.180
for every single person who's
00:31:19.180 --> 00:31:21.030
watching this broadcast tonight
00:31:21.030 --> 00:31:23.160
who's facing challenges and
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.060
difficulties and loss and pain.
00:31:26.060 --> 00:31:28.220
Father, I pray that your love
00:31:28.220 --> 00:31:30.170
and your comfort, the presence
00:31:30.170 --> 00:31:32.230
of the Holy Spirit, would just
00:31:32.230 --> 00:31:34.110
wrap--you would wrap your arms
00:31:34.110 --> 00:31:37.090
around them, Father, that their
00:31:37.090 --> 00:31:38.230
lives would just feel that
00:31:38.230 --> 00:31:40.010
comfort, feel that peace, feel
00:31:40.010 --> 00:31:41.130
that sense of warmth.
00:31:41.130 --> 00:31:43.060
And Lord, I pray that you would
00:31:43.060 --> 00:31:44.260
give them strength and courage
00:31:44.260 --> 00:31:47.030
to face the challenges as they
00:31:47.030 --> 00:31:48.280
move forward in life, Father.
00:31:48.280 --> 00:31:51.130
We pray it in Jesus' name.
00:31:51.130 --> 00:31:53.110
- Leon: Amen.
00:31:53.110 --> 00:31:54.070
- Luke: Amen.
00:31:54.070 --> 00:31:55.050
- Leon: Luke, go ahead.
00:31:55.050 --> 00:31:55.260
Pray for our young people.
00:31:55.260 --> 00:31:56.240
- Luke: Yeah.
00:31:57.110 --> 00:32:00.130
Lord, we ask your Holy Spirit to
00:32:00.130 --> 00:32:02.220
just rain down right now.
00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:05.010
God, we ask that every young
00:32:05.010 --> 00:32:06.090
person that's watching this
00:32:06.090 --> 00:32:07.150
broadcast live right now, Jesus,
00:32:07.150 --> 00:32:09.150
we pray that anybody that's
00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:11.020
going through anything hard or
00:32:11.020 --> 00:32:12.090
difficult, Father God, anything
00:32:12.090 --> 00:32:13.240
that's getting them off-track or
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.020
away from the will of God that
00:32:15.020 --> 00:32:16.290
you have for their lives, Jesus,
00:32:16.290 --> 00:32:17.290
we know that the enemy comes to
00:32:17.290 --> 00:32:19.070
take us off track.
00:32:19.070 --> 00:32:20.210
But God, we know that we serve
00:32:20.210 --> 00:32:21.220
you.
00:32:21.220 --> 00:32:22.200
You're the King of kings, you're
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:23.150
the Lord of lords.
00:32:23.150 --> 00:32:24.180
You're the alpha, you're the
00:32:24.180 --> 00:32:25.270
omega, you're the beginning and
00:32:25.270 --> 00:32:26.260
you're the end, Jesus.
00:32:26.260 --> 00:32:27.230
It doesn't matter what happens
00:32:27.230 --> 00:32:29.000
in our life.
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:29.220
It doesn't matter what happened
00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:30.200
yesterday or what happens in our
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.010
future, Jesus.
00:32:32.010 --> 00:32:33.010
We know that when we focus on
00:32:33.010 --> 00:32:34.170
you, when we put our attention
00:32:34.170 --> 00:32:35.260
to you, when we take off the
00:32:35.260 --> 00:32:37.170
distractions, the layers, the
00:32:37.170 --> 00:32:39.080
things that don't need to be
00:32:39.080 --> 00:32:40.160
there anymore, Father God, I
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:41.170
know that that will result in
00:32:41.170 --> 00:32:43.140
you blessing us and calling us
00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:45.020
and leading us to where you want
00:32:45.020 --> 00:32:46.190
us to go.
00:32:46.190 --> 00:32:47.120
So God, I pray for this
00:32:47.120 --> 00:32:48.200
generation right now, God, that
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:50.080
they would rise up, God.
00:32:50.080 --> 00:32:51.230
That we'd recognize who we are
00:32:51.230 --> 00:32:53.080
in you, Jesus.
00:32:53.080 --> 00:32:54.030
That we wouldn't allow the
00:32:54.030 --> 00:32:55.110
opinions of the world, the music
00:32:55.110 --> 00:32:57.010
of the world, the way the world
00:32:57.010 --> 00:32:58.190
sways us to and fro to get into
00:32:58.190 --> 00:33:00.160
our lives but, God, from this
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:01.290
moment forward, we'd rise up and
00:33:01.290 --> 00:33:03.110
we'd focus on you.
00:33:03.110 --> 00:33:05.000
So God, we thank you for the
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:06.100
miracles.
00:33:06.100 --> 00:33:07.080
We thank you for what you're
00:33:07.080 --> 00:33:08.050
gonna do in our lives from this
00:33:08.050 --> 00:33:09.240
moment forward, Jesus.
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.000
And I pray that you just have
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:12.100
your way in our lives, Jesus.
00:33:12.100 --> 00:33:13.160
In your name we pray, amen.
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.200
- Leon: Amen.
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.000
Thank you, guys, for being with
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.170
me today.
00:33:18.170 --> 00:33:19.180
Great move of God.
00:33:19.180 --> 00:33:21.130
What God is doing is so special
00:33:21.130 --> 00:33:22.110
there in Austin and Shoreline.
00:33:22.110 --> 00:33:24.080
And thank you, guys, for being
00:33:24.080 --> 00:33:25.200
with us.
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.090
- Luke: Thank you.
00:33:26.090 --> 00:33:27.000
- Leon: Man, Myron, take it
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:27.200
away, bro.
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:28.050
Go for it.
00:33:28.050 --> 00:33:30.010
- Myron: The Word of the Lord
00:33:30.010 --> 00:33:31.120
in the power of the tongue.
00:33:34.180 --> 00:33:37.180
Sing this with us tonight.
00:33:37.180 --> 00:33:39.190
Yes, I believe
00:33:51.190 --> 00:33:54.190
it belongs to me.
00:33:57.030 --> 00:34:00.050
I shall have
00:34:01.080 --> 00:34:04.080
Sing that with us tonight.
00:34:04.080 --> 00:34:06.110
What I decree.
00:34:07.250 --> 00:34:10.250
Yes, I believe, by faith,
00:34:14.200 --> 00:34:17.200
it belongs to me.
00:34:18.180 --> 00:34:21.180
Because of that,
00:34:21.180 --> 00:34:23.130
so I'm going to speak into
00:34:24.120 --> 00:34:27.120
Yes, Lord.
00:34:27.120 --> 00:34:30.070
Does anybody in the room
00:34:30.070 --> 00:34:30.260
believe that tonight?
00:34:30.260 --> 00:34:33.000
We're gonna speak into
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:34.190
the atmosphere.
00:34:39.130 --> 00:34:42.130
Everybody in the room
00:34:42.130 --> 00:34:43.040
tonight, sing with us.
00:34:43.040 --> 00:34:44.290
I shall have.
00:34:44.290 --> 00:34:47.050
Sing.
00:34:47.050 --> 00:34:48.100
I shall have what I decree.
00:34:51.180 --> 00:34:54.180
it belongs to me.
00:35:02.190 --> 00:35:05.190
Again, sing with us.
00:35:05.190 --> 00:35:07.060
I shall have.
00:35:07.060 --> 00:35:09.130
Sing.
00:35:09.130 --> 00:35:11.180
I shall have what I decree.
00:35:14.110 --> 00:35:17.110
Hallelujah.
00:35:20.230 --> 00:35:21.240
Thank you, Lord.
00:35:21.240 --> 00:35:23.070
It belongs.
00:35:23.070 --> 00:35:24.080
It belongs to me.
00:35:24.080 --> 00:35:26.180
And if you believe that tonight,
00:35:26.180 --> 00:35:27.150
I want you to sing with us.
00:35:27.150 --> 00:35:29.110
So I'm gonna speak
00:35:29.110 --> 00:35:31.290
into the atmosphere.
00:35:33.090 --> 00:35:36.090
There's some things
00:35:36.090 --> 00:35:37.140
that God has promised you but
00:35:37.140 --> 00:35:38.260
you gotta open up your mouth--
00:35:38.260 --> 00:35:40.130
And speak into.
00:35:40.130 --> 00:35:41.230
Speak into the atmosphere.
00:35:45.120 --> 00:35:48.120
If you believe it tonight,
00:35:48.120 --> 00:35:49.190
I just want you to say this.
00:35:49.190 --> 00:35:50.280
Say this.
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:51.250
Speak it, speak it.
00:35:53.250 --> 00:35:56.250
That's it, keep saying it.
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Speak it.
00:35:58.010 --> 00:35:59.260
Everything God's told you.
00:35:59.260 --> 00:36:01.200
Speak.
00:36:01.200 --> 00:36:02.230
Everything he promised you.
00:36:02.230 --> 00:36:04.060
Speak.
00:36:04.060 --> 00:36:05.070
It shall come to pass.
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Speak.
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But you've gotta open
00:36:07.290 --> 00:36:08.210
up your mouth and--
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Speak.
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And speak it.
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Listen, listen.
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Declare it.
00:36:13.110 --> 00:36:15.060
You've gotta stand on
00:36:15.060 --> 00:36:16.100
the Word of God.
00:36:16.100 --> 00:36:18.040
Declare it.
00:36:18.040 --> 00:36:18.240
His promises are yea and amen
00:36:18.240 --> 00:36:20.030
Declare.
00:36:20.030 --> 00:36:21.000
Everything God said,
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:21.280
it shall come to pass.
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.040
Declare.
00:36:23.040 --> 00:36:23.220
You've got to declare it.
00:36:23.220 --> 00:36:24.190
Declare it.
00:36:24.190 --> 00:36:26.020
Anybody gonna declare it
00:36:26.020 --> 00:36:26.280
tonight?
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Declare.
00:36:27.220 --> 00:36:28.140
You've got to declare it.
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Declare.
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What you're gonna
00:36:32.150 --> 00:36:33.050
declare tonight?
00:36:33.050 --> 00:36:34.050
Listen.
00:36:34.050 --> 00:36:35.030
It's mine.
00:36:35.030 --> 00:36:36.200
Healing is mine.
00:36:36.200 --> 00:36:39.000
Restoration is mine.
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.160
You shall have what
00:36:41.170 --> 00:36:44.170
you say according to
00:36:44.170 --> 00:36:47.060
the will of the Lord.
00:36:47.060 --> 00:36:49.040
It is mine.
00:36:49.040 --> 00:36:52.010
I believe it in my soul.
00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:54.050
Somebody shout, "Yes."
00:36:54.050 --> 00:36:56.170
Yes.
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I am the head
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and not the tail.
00:36:59.030 --> 00:37:02.040
I am above and not beneath.
00:37:03.160 --> 00:37:06.160
I am the lender and
00:37:06.160 --> 00:37:08.270
not the borrower.
00:37:09.010 --> 00:37:12.010
Do you believe it tonight?
00:37:12.010 --> 00:37:13.180
Speak it to--
00:37:13.180 --> 00:37:15.010
Speak it to.
00:37:15.010 --> 00:37:16.070
Speak it, speak it.
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Speak.
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Somebody speak it.
00:37:19.270 --> 00:37:21.080
Speak.
00:37:21.080 --> 00:37:22.040
Over your past.
00:37:22.040 --> 00:37:23.080
Speak.
00:37:23.080 --> 00:37:24.180
And over your future.
00:37:24.180 --> 00:37:26.240
You've got to speak it.
00:37:26.240 --> 00:37:28.100
Speak it.
00:37:28.100 --> 00:37:29.210
Speak it.
00:37:29.210 --> 00:37:31.010
Speak it.
00:37:31.010 --> 00:37:32.070
Speak into the atmosphere.
00:37:32.100 --> 00:37:35.100
Speak into the atmosphere.
00:37:37.210 --> 00:37:40.210
Hallelujah.
00:37:40.210 --> 00:37:41.230
All over the room
00:37:41.230 --> 00:37:42.130
tonight
00:37:42.130 --> 00:37:43.210
I shall have
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Sing.
00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:46.220
I shall have what I decree.
00:37:50.100 --> 00:37:53.100
Yes, I believe,
00:37:54.140 --> 00:37:57.140
by faith
00:37:57.140 --> 00:37:59.090
it belongs to me.
00:37:59.090 --> 00:38:02.020
One more time
00:38:02.020 --> 00:38:03.000
if you believe.
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:03.240
I shall have
00:38:03.240 --> 00:38:05.190
Sing.
00:38:05.190 --> 00:38:06.130
I shall have what I decree.
00:38:09.230 --> 00:38:12.230
Yes, I believe,
00:38:14.220 --> 00:38:17.220
it belongs to me.
00:38:19.270 --> 00:38:22.270
Everybody.
00:38:22.270 --> 00:38:23.240
So I'm going to speak
00:38:23.240 --> 00:38:26.030
into the atmosphere.
00:38:29.030 --> 00:38:32.030
It's simple but just
00:38:32.030 --> 00:38:32.270
lift it up in the room.
00:38:32.270 --> 00:38:33.240
Say
00:38:33.240 --> 00:38:34.170
Speak into the atmosphere.
00:38:34.170 --> 00:38:36.050
Speak into the atmosphere.
00:38:36.050 --> 00:38:39.010
Yes, Lord.
00:38:39.010 --> 00:38:40.190
If you believe it down
00:38:40.190 --> 00:38:42.170
in your soul tonight,
00:38:42.170 --> 00:38:43.090
sing it one more time.
00:38:43.090 --> 00:38:44.120
Speak into, aye,
00:38:44.290 --> 00:38:47.290
the atmosphere.
00:38:47.290 --> 00:38:50.160
Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-ohh,
00:38:50.160 --> 00:38:53.090
hallelujah.
00:38:53.090 --> 00:38:54.020
One more time.
00:38:54.020 --> 00:38:54.230
Speak into the atmosphere.
00:38:56.090 --> 00:38:59.090
Hallelujah.
00:38:59.090 --> 00:39:00.290
If you believe that,
00:39:00.290 --> 00:39:02.000
give the Lord a hand praise
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:02.250
tonight.
00:39:02.250 --> 00:39:04.200
Speak into the atmosphere,
00:39:09.170 --> 00:39:12.170
yeah.
00:39:12.170 --> 00:39:14.030
Hallelujah.
00:39:14.030 --> 00:39:15.010
- Leon: Amen.
00:39:19.150 --> 00:39:20.140
Praise the Lord.
00:39:20.140 --> 00:39:21.160
Awesome.
00:39:21.160 --> 00:39:24.160
Amen.
00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:25.290
There's nothing like speaking
00:39:25.290 --> 00:39:27.030
God's Word.
00:39:27.030 --> 00:39:28.180
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- Leon: I wanna just say
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thank you.
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Thank you for being a part of
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something that is so important.
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You know, so many Christians get
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used to giving when someone
00:42:36.040 --> 00:42:37.200
starts hollering, "If you don't
00:42:37.200 --> 00:42:38.190
give, we're going under."
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I actually don't give that
00:42:39.290 --> 00:42:40.280
direction.
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:41.230
I go toward direction where
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things are going really well and
00:42:43.020 --> 00:42:44.200
souls are being touched and
00:42:44.200 --> 00:42:45.240
lives are being changed.
00:42:45.240 --> 00:42:47.130
So thank you for partnering with
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us and being a part of it here
00:42:48.150 --> 00:42:49.240
at TBN.
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And Myron Butler, if you love
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That man is a songwriter,
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Get a copy of that thing.
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I know that it'll bless you
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so greatly.
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Well, I've got two guests that
00:43:04.180 --> 00:43:06.090
I want to introduce right now.
00:43:06.090 --> 00:43:07.240
Broxy Cavey is from Ontario,
00:43:07.240 --> 00:43:09.160
Canada.
00:43:09.160 --> 00:43:10.270
So I'm excited about that.
00:43:10.270 --> 00:43:12.170
He's a teaching pastor of The
00:43:12.170 --> 00:43:13.290
Meeting House and a great
00:43:13.290 --> 00:43:16.130
book--it's one of my favorites
00:43:16.130 --> 00:43:17.200
called, "The End of Religion."
00:43:17.200 --> 00:43:19.260
And the other guest I have with
00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:21.040
me today is Andrew Farley, the
00:43:21.040 --> 00:43:22.250
host of "Andrew Farley Live,"
00:43:22.250 --> 00:43:24.140
he's a live call-in radio
00:43:24.140 --> 00:43:26.090
program that is broadcast in all
00:43:26.090 --> 00:43:27.160
50 states throughout Canada on
00:43:27.160 --> 00:43:30.030
Sirius XM 131.
00:43:30.030 --> 00:43:33.010
He also hosts a religion blog
00:43:33.010 --> 00:43:35.190
for "The Huffington Post,"
00:43:35.190 --> 00:43:37.070
serves as President of
00:43:37.070 --> 00:43:38.230
Andrew Farley Ministries, and
00:43:38.230 --> 00:43:40.000
he's got a number of books.
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.180
My favorite one is "The Naked
00:43:41.180 --> 00:43:43.000
Gospel."
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:43.280
I read that cover--welcome, you
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.000
guys.
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:45.290
It's just great to have you with
00:43:45.290 --> 00:43:46.250
me today.
00:43:46.250 --> 00:43:47.180
- Bruxy Cavey: Thank you.
00:43:47.180 --> 00:43:48.270
- Leon: And amen.
00:43:48.270 --> 00:43:49.290
Now, the last time we were on,
00:43:50.100 --> 00:43:53.100
you had gotten a new tattoo.
00:43:53.100 --> 00:43:55.160
- Bruxy: Yes.
00:43:55.160 --> 00:43:56.120
- Leon: So why don't you show
00:43:56.120 --> 00:43:57.030
us the tattoo again?
00:43:57.030 --> 00:43:58.170
- Bruxy: And it's still there.
00:43:58.170 --> 00:43:59.220
- Leon: Leviticus 19:28.
00:43:59.220 --> 00:44:02.180
What is Leviticus 19:28 say?
00:44:02.180 --> 00:44:04.160
- Bruxy: That's the verse in
00:44:04.160 --> 00:44:05.100
the Old Testament that says
00:44:05.100 --> 00:44:06.140
God's people must not get a
00:44:06.140 --> 00:44:07.190
tattoo.
00:44:07.190 --> 00:44:08.290
- Leon: Okay, explain that to
00:44:08.290 --> 00:44:11.040
me 'cause you're a pastor of a
00:44:11.040 --> 00:44:12.140
huge megachurch.
00:44:12.140 --> 00:44:13.150
- Bruxy: Yes, sir.
00:44:13.150 --> 00:44:14.100
- Leon: Now, looking at you,
00:44:14.100 --> 00:44:15.140
some people don't think so but I
00:44:15.140 --> 00:44:16.110
think you're cool, man.
00:44:16.110 --> 00:44:18.020
- Bruxy: I'm undercover.
00:44:18.020 --> 00:44:19.130
- Leon: You the man.
00:44:19.130 --> 00:44:20.050
- Bruxy: That's right.
00:44:20.050 --> 00:44:20.240
- Leon: But why would you put
00:44:20.240 --> 00:44:21.150
that on?
00:44:21.150 --> 00:44:21.290
Tell me what statement are you
00:44:21.290 --> 00:44:23.070
making?
00:44:23.070 --> 00:44:23.260
- Bruxy: Well, I was trying to
00:44:23.260 --> 00:44:24.180
think what's my favorite Bible
00:44:24.180 --> 00:44:25.090
verse?
00:44:25.090 --> 00:44:25.180
This is not my favorite Bible
00:44:25.180 --> 00:44:26.090
verse but what verse points to
00:44:26.090 --> 00:44:28.020
Jesus the quickest?
00:44:28.020 --> 00:44:29.180
'Cause if I'm gonna get a
00:44:29.180 --> 00:44:30.220
tattoo, it's gonna be a
00:44:30.220 --> 00:44:31.200
conversation starter about Jesus
00:44:31.200 --> 00:44:33.050
and the new covenant.
00:44:33.050 --> 00:44:34.150
Now, what Bible verse would
00:44:34.150 --> 00:44:36.050
start that conversation as
00:44:36.050 --> 00:44:37.060
quickly as possible?
00:44:37.060 --> 00:44:38.260
we must not get a tattoo.
00:44:41.130 --> 00:44:43.020
And I thought, "That's gonna be
00:44:43.020 --> 00:44:44.020
the perfect tattoo to get."
00:44:44.020 --> 00:44:45.250
If--because it--the only reason
00:44:45.250 --> 00:44:48.250
someone would get that tattoo
00:44:48.250 --> 00:44:50.180
rebellion against God or because
00:44:52.020 --> 00:44:54.020
they have woken up to the grace
00:44:54.020 --> 00:44:55.090
of the new covenant.
00:44:55.090 --> 00:44:56.170
And it's gotta be one way or the
00:44:56.170 --> 00:44:57.290
other.
00:44:57.290 --> 00:44:59.010
Leviticus 19:27, the verse just
00:44:59.010 --> 00:45:00.240
before this, says that if you're
00:45:00.240 --> 00:45:02.120
a gentleman you are not to cut
00:45:02.120 --> 00:45:03.260
your hair or trim your beard.
00:45:03.260 --> 00:45:06.020
And I see a lot of sinners up
00:45:06.020 --> 00:45:07.010
there.
00:45:07.010 --> 00:45:08.040
And just a few verses before
00:45:08.040 --> 00:45:10.080
that says that if you're wearing
00:45:10.080 --> 00:45:12.020
clothing woven of two different
00:45:12.020 --> 00:45:13.100
kinds of material, that you are
00:45:13.100 --> 00:45:15.090
to be stoned to death.
00:45:15.090 --> 00:45:17.070
So if that's pure wool, ma'am,
00:45:17.070 --> 00:45:19.060
or that's a pure polyester--if
00:45:19.060 --> 00:45:21.030
that's a polyester blend, I'm
00:45:21.030 --> 00:45:22.040
sorry, we will stone you.
00:45:22.040 --> 00:45:23.130
But--and so we intuitively
00:45:23.200 --> 00:45:26.200
realize that God has moved us
00:45:26.200 --> 00:45:27.290
into something new but we're a
00:45:28.170 --> 00:45:31.170
bit fuzzy on it sometimes when
00:45:31.170 --> 00:45:32.220
we try and live life with
00:45:32.220 --> 00:45:33.250
one foot in the new covenant,
00:45:33.250 --> 00:45:35.010
one foot in the old covenant.
00:45:35.010 --> 00:45:36.230
We have grace but we wanna
00:45:36.230 --> 00:45:38.020
season it with a little bit of
00:45:38.020 --> 00:45:39.000
law.
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:40.040
And the gospel message just
00:45:40.040 --> 00:45:42.090
takes us purely into this life
00:45:42.090 --> 00:45:44.290
of grace that is so freeing and
00:45:44.290 --> 00:45:46.290
so beautiful and, if a tattoo
00:45:46.290 --> 00:45:48.080
can help me get a conversation
00:45:48.080 --> 00:45:50.100
started about that--
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- Leon: Has it helped?
00:45:51.060 --> 00:45:52.000
- Bruxy: Oh, my goodness.
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:53.010
Has it ever?
00:45:53.010 --> 00:45:54.190
Yes, and so I--we'll be having a
00:45:54.190 --> 00:45:56.080
tattoo artist giving free
00:45:56.080 --> 00:45:58.100
tattoos tonight for all of--no,
00:45:58.100 --> 00:45:59.240
not really.
00:45:59.240 --> 00:46:01.060
But--
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- Leon: Your book, "The End of
00:46:02.190 --> 00:46:03.180
Religion," I have to tell you, I
00:46:03.180 --> 00:46:04.230
read it a number of years ago.
00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:06.200
It was--if you wanna read a
00:46:06.200 --> 00:46:08.180
great book, "The End of
00:46:08.180 --> 00:46:09.250
Religion," it actually helped me
00:46:09.290 --> 00:46:12.290
as a pastor just to clear that
00:46:12.290 --> 00:46:14.200
up and to be so sold, 'cause
00:46:14.200 --> 00:46:16.260
it's all about Jesus.
00:46:16.260 --> 00:46:18.240
- Bruxy: Yeah, and when
00:46:18.240 --> 00:46:19.240
you--you know, the gospel--it's
00:46:19.240 --> 00:46:20.280
great you say, as a pastor it
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:21.190
helped you.
00:46:21.190 --> 00:46:22.070
I wrote "The End of Religion" to
00:46:22.070 --> 00:46:23.100
your non-Christian friends.
00:46:23.100 --> 00:46:25.170
That's who I had in mind but
00:46:26.010 --> 00:46:29.010
I've heard back from a lot of
00:46:29.010 --> 00:46:30.100
Christians that just kind of
00:46:30.100 --> 00:46:31.110
marinating in the gospel is
00:46:31.110 --> 00:46:32.080
something we all need and will
00:46:32.080 --> 00:46:33.070
benefit from.
00:46:33.070 --> 00:46:34.030
The gospel's not a message that
00:46:34.030 --> 00:46:35.120
we should see in our rear view
00:46:35.120 --> 00:46:36.200
mirror, that we should say,
00:46:36.200 --> 00:46:37.180
"Well, that's how I got saved
00:46:37.180 --> 00:46:38.100
but now I live a different way."
00:46:38.100 --> 00:46:39.210
But rather, this gospel of grace
00:46:39.210 --> 00:46:41.280
is something we all need to come
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:43.050
back to regularly, be reminded
00:46:43.050 --> 00:46:44.120
of.
00:46:44.120 --> 00:46:45.170
Because we will slip slowly back
00:46:45.170 --> 00:46:47.100
into law and into legalism.
00:46:47.100 --> 00:46:49.170
- Leon: It's true.
00:46:49.170 --> 00:46:50.220
We all will slide if we're not
00:46:50.220 --> 00:46:52.000
careful and stay in the Word.
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:53.040
- Bruxy: Yeah, grace is so
00:46:53.040 --> 00:46:54.160
radical.
00:46:54.160 --> 00:46:56.160
So to find ways to just kind of
00:46:56.160 --> 00:46:58.010
bake that gospel message into
00:46:58.010 --> 00:46:58.260
our hearts again and again, and
00:46:58.260 --> 00:46:59.200
that's--I've been reading
00:46:59.200 --> 00:47:00.170
Andrew's books and, for me--
00:47:00.170 --> 00:47:02.070
- Leon: That's how we meet each
00:47:02.070 --> 00:47:04.080
other.
00:47:04.080 --> 00:47:04.270
- Bruxy: Yes, that's right.
00:47:04.270 --> 00:47:05.180
So I read his books and he's
00:47:05.180 --> 00:47:06.090
writing on the same thing and I
00:47:06.090 --> 00:47:07.160
say, "I know this message but I
00:47:07.160 --> 00:47:08.230
need to hear it."
00:47:08.230 --> 00:47:10.010
I mean, I wrote a book about it
00:47:10.010 --> 00:47:10.290
and then I read someone else's
00:47:10.290 --> 00:47:12.220
approach to Scripture on the
00:47:12.220 --> 00:47:14.090
same message of grace and I say,
00:47:14.090 --> 00:47:15.280
"I need to drink this in again
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.270
and again."
00:47:17.270 --> 00:47:18.290
It never gets old.
00:47:18.290 --> 00:47:20.020
That's the beautiful thing about
00:47:20.020 --> 00:47:20.240
the gospel.
00:47:20.240 --> 00:47:21.100
- Leon: "The Naked Gospel"
00:47:21.100 --> 00:47:22.060
rocks.
00:47:22.060 --> 00:47:23.160
I read that thing cover to cover
00:47:23.160 --> 00:47:24.250
and the way you unpack
00:47:24.250 --> 00:47:26.080
Scripture.
00:47:26.080 --> 00:47:27.000
Some guys try so hard to be
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:28.250
complicated as though wisdom is
00:47:28.250 --> 00:47:30.150
being complex but real wisdom's
00:47:30.150 --> 00:47:33.070
taking the complex and making it
00:47:33.070 --> 00:47:35.040
simple.
00:47:35.040 --> 00:47:36.050
You did an amazing job.
00:47:36.050 --> 00:47:37.080
Great book.
00:47:37.080 --> 00:47:38.120
Tell me a little bit about that
00:47:38.120 --> 00:47:39.080
book, "The Naked Gospel."
00:47:39.080 --> 00:47:40.030
- Andrew Farley: Yeah, well, I
00:47:40.030 --> 00:47:41.060
the floor of my apartment and I
00:47:43.080 --> 00:47:44.130
was begging God for answers.
00:47:44.130 --> 00:47:46.110
I was telling him, "Look,
00:47:46.110 --> 00:47:48.070
I have done everything
00:47:48.070 --> 00:47:49.280
I'm sharing my faith with
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:53.230
everybody that I meet.
00:47:53.230 --> 00:47:54.230
I'm in church every time
00:47:54.230 --> 00:47:55.250
the doors are open.
00:47:55.250 --> 00:47:57.000
I'm reading my Bible
00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:58.090
4 and 5 hours a day.
00:47:58.090 --> 00:48:00.130
And I still don't feel like I'm
00:48:00.130 --> 00:48:01.270
growing spiritually.
00:48:01.270 --> 00:48:03.220
I don't feel like I'm getting
00:48:03.220 --> 00:48:04.210
closer to you.
00:48:04.210 --> 00:48:06.000
My feelings aren't lining up.
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.110
What's wrong with my theology?"
00:48:07.110 --> 00:48:10.050
And really, Leon, it wasn't
00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:11.230
a lightning bolt out of heaven.
00:48:11.230 --> 00:48:13.070
It was more like a decade of
00:48:13.070 --> 00:48:15.180
replacing old thoughts with new
00:48:15.180 --> 00:48:17.130
thoughts and, as Bruxy was
00:48:17.130 --> 00:48:19.060
explaining, I mean, we've got
00:48:19.060 --> 00:48:20.120
this new covenant and the new
00:48:20.120 --> 00:48:22.140
covenant brings all kinds of
00:48:22.140 --> 00:48:23.200
new thoughts with it.
00:48:23.200 --> 00:48:26.190
But I had sort of tried to have
00:48:26.190 --> 00:48:27.220
this marriage of the old and the
00:48:27.220 --> 00:48:29.050
new and, you know, my God was in
00:48:29.050 --> 00:48:30.240
a swivel chair.
00:48:30.240 --> 00:48:31.280
I mean, he was in a barber shop
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:33.150
chair and his face was toward me
00:48:33.150 --> 00:48:35.020
when I was obedient and when I
00:48:35.020 --> 00:48:36.080
blew it, he would swivel right
00:48:36.080 --> 00:48:38.110
around and turn his back on me.
00:48:38.110 --> 00:48:40.160
At least, that's the God of my
00:48:40.160 --> 00:48:42.200
imagination.
00:48:42.200 --> 00:48:43.150
- Leon: Right.
00:48:43.150 --> 00:48:44.070
- Andrew: And so what I
00:48:44.070 --> 00:48:45.000
discovered through the new
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:45.240
covenant is that his face is
00:48:45.240 --> 00:48:46.280
always toward me.
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:48.110
That even when I am faithless,
00:48:48.110 --> 00:48:50.080
he remains faithful.
00:48:50.080 --> 00:48:52.010
And that's an incredible gospel
00:48:52.010 --> 00:48:53.260
that makes us just say, "Wow,"
00:48:53.260 --> 00:48:56.040
and then, "Thank you."
00:48:56.040 --> 00:48:57.020
- Leon: Now, we're gonna unpack
00:48:57.020 --> 00:48:57.290
some of this stuff 'cause I
00:48:57.290 --> 00:49:00.070
think this is a huge key to so
00:49:00.070 --> 00:49:02.180
many people out there.
00:49:02.180 --> 00:49:04.060
But the very first question
00:49:04.060 --> 00:49:05.270
you're gonna get and I know,
00:49:05.270 --> 00:49:06.230
because you're on radio, you do
00:49:06.230 --> 00:49:07.220
Q&A all the time, and so do you
00:49:07.220 --> 00:49:08.200
right in your church, is how are
00:49:08.200 --> 00:49:09.170
we gonna stop sin if we don't
00:49:11.150 --> 00:49:14.150
let them know that God turns and
00:49:14.150 --> 00:49:16.050
he is displeased?
00:49:16.050 --> 00:49:17.280
We're gonna have this crazy
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:19.190
sinning everywhere.
00:49:19.190 --> 00:49:20.280
What's your answer to that?
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:21.220
- Andrew: Well, I mean, Titus
00:49:21.220 --> 00:49:22.230
gives us a great answer.
00:49:22.230 --> 00:49:24.100
It says the grace of God brings
00:49:24.100 --> 00:49:26.040
salvation and, of course, we
00:49:26.040 --> 00:49:27.270
check that box and say, "Yeah,
00:49:27.270 --> 00:49:29.120
I've got that straight.
00:49:29.120 --> 00:49:30.170
That's my theology 101."
00:49:30.170 --> 00:49:32.040
But the verse continues.
00:49:32.040 --> 00:49:33.140
It says it brings salvation and
00:49:33.140 --> 00:49:35.150
then it says the grace of God
00:49:35.150 --> 00:49:37.050
teaches us to say no to sin and
00:49:37.050 --> 00:49:40.030
to live a godly life.
00:49:40.030 --> 00:49:42.000
So, you know, there's a lot of
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:43.230
stones being thrown at grace
00:49:43.230 --> 00:49:45.240
right now.
00:49:45.240 --> 00:49:46.230
"Oh, that's cheap grace, that's
00:49:46.230 --> 00:49:48.020
hyper grace, that's too much
00:49:48.020 --> 00:49:49.100
grace.
00:49:49.100 --> 00:49:50.180
You need to tone down that
00:49:50.180 --> 00:49:51.220
grace, balance that grace."
00:49:51.220 --> 00:49:53.190
What they don't realize is
00:49:53.190 --> 00:49:55.030
they're saying, "Let's tone down
00:49:55.030 --> 00:49:56.020
godliness.
00:49:56.020 --> 00:49:57.200
Let's balance godliness with
00:49:57.200 --> 00:49:59.070
something else."
00:49:59.070 --> 00:50:00.200
We need to realize that grace is
00:50:00.200 --> 00:50:02.100
the doorway to godliness.
00:50:02.100 --> 00:50:04.160
There's no conflict there.
00:50:04.160 --> 00:50:06.050
It--by grace we were saved and
00:50:06.050 --> 00:50:08.070
by grace we grow in Christ.
00:50:08.070 --> 00:50:09.270
It's not two methods.
00:50:09.270 --> 00:50:11.200
You don't start one way and
00:50:11.200 --> 00:50:13.030
finish another way.
00:50:13.030 --> 00:50:14.130
I mean, the gospel says just as
00:50:14.130 --> 00:50:16.030
you received him, so walk in
00:50:16.030 --> 00:50:18.050
him.
00:50:18.050 --> 00:50:18.240
- Leon: Yeah.
00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:19.290
You know, that's so--and what's
00:50:19.290 --> 00:50:20.260
unique is that when you read
00:50:20.260 --> 00:50:22.050
your books, you're both saying
00:50:22.050 --> 00:50:24.050
the same things but in a
00:50:24.050 --> 00:50:25.270
uniquely different way.
00:50:25.270 --> 00:50:28.050
And that's how amazing God is.
00:50:28.050 --> 00:50:29.290
Like, when I look at grace, a
00:50:29.290 --> 00:50:31.060
lot of people, "Leo, how--" I
00:50:31.060 --> 00:50:32.270
would just say, "Grace is
00:50:32.270 --> 00:50:34.060
God's ability."
00:50:34.060 --> 00:50:35.090
It's coming to me in undeserved
00:50:35.090 --> 00:50:37.250
favor so when I understand
00:50:37.250 --> 00:50:40.080
the cross and what he did for me
00:50:40.080 --> 00:50:42.200
then he gives me the ability to
00:50:42.200 --> 00:50:44.110
live strong and free from sin.
00:50:44.110 --> 00:50:46.050
And there's just--it's just
00:50:46.050 --> 00:50:47.180
beautiful how that different
00:50:47.180 --> 00:50:49.040
people are unpacking it and
00:50:49.040 --> 00:50:50.190
they're using the Word to do it.
00:50:50.190 --> 00:50:52.170
- Andrew: Yeah.
00:50:52.170 --> 00:50:53.090
- Leon: Now, Bruxy,
00:50:53.090 --> 00:50:54.230
your church.
00:50:54.230 --> 00:50:56.120
I mean, you guys are in a ton of
00:50:56.120 --> 00:50:57.040
locations, all cross Toronto.
00:50:57.040 --> 00:50:59.210
It's a great church and people
00:50:59.210 --> 00:51:01.060
are just attracted and coming.
00:51:01.060 --> 00:51:03.280
Why do you think that is?
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.220
because it's certainly not
00:51:08.150 --> 00:51:09.130
my snappy wardrobe.
00:51:09.130 --> 00:51:11.090
There is something
00:51:11.140 --> 00:51:14.140
about this message of embrace,
00:51:14.140 --> 00:51:17.110
the prodigal son story, which is
00:51:17.110 --> 00:51:19.000
interesting 'cause Jesus never
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:19.270
uses the word grace.
00:51:19.270 --> 00:51:21.040
Isn't it fascinating?
00:51:21.040 --> 00:51:22.060
He doesn't use the word grace.
00:51:22.060 --> 00:51:23.080
He just lives grace over and
00:51:23.080 --> 00:51:26.060
over again.
00:51:26.060 --> 00:51:26.290
And he teaches grace in the
00:51:26.290 --> 00:51:28.170
stories and to have a place that
00:51:28.170 --> 00:51:30.130
over and over again, that shows
00:51:33.200 --> 00:51:35.060
the father's heart, that makes
00:51:35.060 --> 00:51:36.240
safe space to come home.
00:51:36.240 --> 00:51:38.250
And it just took a little bit of
00:51:38.250 --> 00:51:40.040
faith for the prodigal son.
00:51:40.040 --> 00:51:41.150
The prodigal son didn't have his
00:51:41.150 --> 00:51:42.150
theology all worked out.
00:51:42.150 --> 00:51:43.230
He said, "Maybe I'll go home and
00:51:43.230 --> 00:51:44.240
become a servant of my father."
00:51:44.240 --> 00:51:46.270
Not a son.
00:51:46.270 --> 00:51:47.250
He didn't foresee how much grace
00:51:47.250 --> 00:51:49.140
was actually there.
00:51:49.140 --> 00:51:50.110
It was just enough to say, "I'll
00:51:50.110 --> 00:51:52.060
take a risk.
00:51:52.060 --> 00:51:53.100
I'll take a step in that
00:51:53.100 --> 00:51:54.080
direction."
00:51:54.080 --> 00:51:55.010
And if we can create a safe
00:51:55.010 --> 00:51:56.200
place for spiritual seekers to
00:51:56.200 --> 00:51:58.040
come and ask questions, you
00:51:58.040 --> 00:51:59.190
know, we go through all of life
00:51:59.190 --> 00:52:00.190
asking questions in school,
00:52:00.190 --> 00:52:02.050
asking questions at home.
00:52:02.050 --> 00:52:03.240
And then we get to church and
00:52:03.240 --> 00:52:05.080
there can be this implied sense
00:52:05.080 --> 00:52:07.010
of "Shut up and listen.
00:52:07.010 --> 00:52:09.000
We have all the answers.
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:09.260
Don't trouble us with your
00:52:09.260 --> 00:52:10.250
questions."
00:52:10.250 --> 00:52:11.260
So we can create a safe place
00:52:11.260 --> 00:52:12.270
for people to come with all
00:52:12.270 --> 00:52:13.250
their questions.
00:52:13.250 --> 00:52:14.150
And when people bring questions,
00:52:14.150 --> 00:52:15.230
it--that's part of my
00:52:15.230 --> 00:52:17.100
discipleship.
00:52:17.100 --> 00:52:18.080
It challenges me to grow.
00:52:18.080 --> 00:52:19.070
I'm really grateful for the
00:52:19.070 --> 00:52:20.210
skeptics and the seekers who
00:52:20.210 --> 00:52:21.220
come with questions.
00:52:21.220 --> 00:52:23.010
And if I don't have an answer I
00:52:23.010 --> 00:52:24.010
can say, "I do not know but
00:52:24.010 --> 00:52:25.200
thank you for that question
00:52:25.200 --> 00:52:26.190
'cause now I'm gonna go and
00:52:26.190 --> 00:52:27.220
study more this week.
00:52:27.220 --> 00:52:28.280
And I'm gonna--you're motivating
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:30.180
me to grow spiritually this
00:52:30.180 --> 00:52:31.160
week."
00:52:31.160 --> 00:52:32.080
And so we can create that place.
00:52:32.080 --> 00:52:33.030
It does seem that there's a lot
00:52:33.030 --> 00:52:34.010
of people out there that are
00:52:34.010 --> 00:52:35.050
looking for that place where
00:52:35.050 --> 00:52:36.070
they can come and say, "All
00:52:36.070 --> 00:52:37.060
right, I'm ready to begin to
00:52:37.060 --> 00:52:38.060
learn.
00:52:38.060 --> 00:52:39.000
I'm ready to just kind of dip my
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:39.220
toe back in the water and to
00:52:39.220 --> 00:52:41.000
find out if the father in this
00:52:41.030 --> 00:52:44.030
story is really as gracious as
00:52:44.030 --> 00:52:45.040
you say he is."
00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:46.180
- Leon: You know, I was sitting
00:52:46.180 --> 00:52:48.090
beside a man and we got to
00:52:48.090 --> 00:52:49.230
talking until he found out that
00:52:49.230 --> 00:52:52.000
I was a pastor.
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.150
And then you could just see--it
00:52:53.150 --> 00:52:55.020
was a real change for him.
00:52:55.020 --> 00:52:57.030
And I said, "You know, just
00:52:57.030 --> 00:52:58.000
forget that I'm a pastor for a
00:52:58.010 --> 00:53:01.030
minute and tell me why are you
00:53:01.030 --> 00:53:02.060
so upset about it?"
00:53:02.060 --> 00:53:02.290
And here's what he told me.
00:53:02.290 --> 00:53:03.240
He was a director of a huge
00:53:03.240 --> 00:53:05.050
mental institution in Canada and
00:53:05.170 --> 00:53:08.170
he said, "Three-quarters of the
00:53:08.170 --> 00:53:10.290
people that are in there are in
00:53:10.290 --> 00:53:12.130
there because of Christianity,
00:53:12.130 --> 00:53:14.130
religion, and the guilt and the
00:53:14.130 --> 00:53:16.000
shame that they suffer with.
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.170
And then they come to us and
00:53:17.170 --> 00:53:18.280
we're trying to--" I had never
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.020
heard someone say that until he
00:53:20.020 --> 00:53:22.270
said it.
00:53:22.270 --> 00:53:23.260
The gospel shouldn't do that to
00:53:23.260 --> 00:53:25.110
people.
00:53:25.110 --> 00:53:26.080
- Andrew: No, but that's where
00:53:26.080 --> 00:53:27.010
I was headed.
00:53:27.010 --> 00:53:28.020
I mean, honestly, I was gonna
00:53:28.020 --> 00:53:29.130
or I was gonna be rescued
00:53:31.150 --> 00:53:32.210
by God's grace.
00:53:32.210 --> 00:53:34.000
And fortunately, it was God's
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:35.120
grace that rescued me.
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And I came to realize some
00:53:36.290 --> 00:53:38.140
radical things.
00:53:38.140 --> 00:53:40.060
I mean, you know, first and
00:53:40.060 --> 00:53:41.080
foremost, we tend to think that
00:53:41.080 --> 00:53:43.090
our sins are so big, and the
00:53:43.090 --> 00:53:46.010
Bible was written by murderers.
00:53:46.010 --> 00:53:48.200
I mean, just think about it.
00:53:48.200 --> 00:53:50.110
Just think about it for
00:53:50.110 --> 00:53:51.170
a minute.
00:53:51.170 --> 00:53:52.100
in rage.
00:53:54.180 --> 00:53:55.190
He wrote a lot of
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the Old Testament.
00:53:56.160 --> 00:53:57.160
David.
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David put a guy on the front
00:53:58.290 --> 00:54:01.090
lines of his army so that that
00:54:01.090 --> 00:54:03.040
guy would die so that he could
00:54:03.040 --> 00:54:04.190
take that guy's wife.
00:54:04.190 --> 00:54:06.030
Now, that's not nice.
00:54:06.030 --> 00:54:07.160
- Leon: That's not nice.
00:54:07.160 --> 00:54:08.140
- Andrew: And then Paul.
00:54:08.140 --> 00:54:10.270
Paul stood by and gave hearty
00:54:10.270 --> 00:54:12.240
approval at the stoning of
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Stephen and was known for
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killing Christians.
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.010
Now, who have you killed lately?
00:54:17.010 --> 00:54:19.160
I mean, how big are your sins
00:54:19.160 --> 00:54:20.160
again?
00:54:20.160 --> 00:54:21.150
Maybe our sins are small and our
00:54:21.150 --> 00:54:23.120
God is big and he has qualified
00:54:23.120 --> 00:54:25.180
us.
00:54:25.180 --> 00:54:26.280
And that's what grace is.
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:28.170
Grace is not being infatuated
00:54:28.170 --> 00:54:30.240
with the size of your sins, it's
00:54:30.240 --> 00:54:33.030
being obsessed with the size of
00:54:33.030 --> 00:54:34.260
your Savior.
00:54:34.260 --> 00:54:35.240
- Leon: Wow!
00:54:35.240 --> 00:54:36.150
So well said.
00:54:36.150 --> 00:54:38.120
So well said.
00:54:38.120 --> 00:54:40.130
Now, Bruxy, you talk a lot in
00:54:40.220 --> 00:54:43.220
the book about religion and how
00:54:43.220 --> 00:54:45.290
that when people discover God or
00:54:45.290 --> 00:54:48.160
maybe they don't even get to
00:54:48.160 --> 00:54:49.140
know Christ but that how
00:54:49.140 --> 00:54:51.250
destructive religion is and
00:54:51.250 --> 00:54:53.240
that--and you make this comment,
00:54:53.240 --> 00:54:54.270
"Jesus came to end all
00:54:54.270 --> 00:54:56.060
religions."
00:54:56.060 --> 00:54:58.020
Explain that to me.
00:54:58.020 --> 00:54:59.000
- Bruxy: Well, you know, it's
00:54:59.000 --> 00:54:59.260
interesting.
00:54:59.260 --> 00:55:00.170
The apostle Paul says that the
00:55:00.170 --> 00:55:01.140
system of salvations and rules,
00:55:01.140 --> 00:55:03.090
rituals, routines, that helped
00:55:03.090 --> 00:55:05.290
guide people on a path was for
00:55:05.290 --> 00:55:07.290
a season of time.
00:55:07.290 --> 00:55:09.200
While we were young, he says,
00:55:09.200 --> 00:55:12.070
like little children we needed
00:55:12.070 --> 00:55:13.100
a nanny is the Greek word for
00:55:13.100 --> 00:55:15.030
someone who would come along and
00:55:15.030 --> 00:55:16.140
work with a little kid while
00:55:16.140 --> 00:55:17.120
they're young.
00:55:17.120 --> 00:55:18.070
But the goal of every parent is
00:55:18.070 --> 00:55:21.000
for their kids to grow up.
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:21.240
And so it's good to have nannies
00:55:21.240 --> 00:55:23.080
and, you know when your kids
00:55:23.080 --> 00:55:24.090
were young, Leon, you have
00:55:24.090 --> 00:55:24.280
rituals.
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:26.120
Kids need rituals.
00:55:26.120 --> 00:55:27.160
You have routines.
00:55:27.160 --> 00:55:28.150
Kid needs routine.
00:55:28.150 --> 00:55:29.160
They need rules.
00:55:29.160 --> 00:55:30.290
And yet, your goal is not--and
00:55:30.290 --> 00:55:33.000
say, your daughter--are they in
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.050
their 20s now, are they--
00:55:34.050 --> 00:55:35.220
- Leon: Yeah.
00:55:35.220 --> 00:55:36.160
- Bruxy: All right, so if
00:55:36.160 --> 00:55:37.060
they're to call you from
00:55:37.060 --> 00:55:37.290
university and say, "Dad, do I
00:55:37.290 --> 00:55:40.150
have to eat all my peas tonight
00:55:40.150 --> 00:55:42.140
because--" or "Dad, can I--do I
00:55:42.140 --> 00:55:44.250
have to wear a coat when I go
00:55:44.250 --> 00:55:45.250
outside tonight?"
00:55:45.250 --> 00:55:46.130
Or "Dad, can I stay up 'til 10
00:55:46.130 --> 00:55:48.030
o'clock instead of--" You don't
00:55:48.030 --> 00:55:49.130
say, "Yes, my kids are keeping
00:55:49.130 --> 00:55:50.290
the rules I taught them when
00:55:50.290 --> 00:55:51.270
they were younger."
00:55:51.270 --> 00:55:52.270
You say, "Oh, dear, my kids have
00:55:52.270 --> 00:55:54.200
not grown up."
00:55:54.200 --> 00:55:55.230
The goal of a parent is to give
00:55:55.230 --> 00:55:57.080
rules while you're young so that
00:55:57.080 --> 00:55:59.010
internalization can happen
00:55:59.010 --> 00:56:01.150
so the principles behind the
00:56:01.150 --> 00:56:03.130
precept, the reason behind the
00:56:03.130 --> 00:56:04.270
rules, the love behind the law,
00:56:04.270 --> 00:56:07.090
is what lasts into our
00:56:07.090 --> 00:56:08.290
adulthood.
00:56:08.290 --> 00:56:09.250
And then we start to make wise
00:56:09.250 --> 00:56:11.020
decisions that reflect the heart
00:56:11.020 --> 00:56:13.110
of our father.
00:56:13.110 --> 00:56:14.210
And that leads us out of a
00:56:14.210 --> 00:56:16.230
season of rules and rituals,
00:56:16.230 --> 00:56:19.100
into a season of wise
00:56:19.100 --> 00:56:21.160
hand-in-hand, heart-in-heart
00:56:21.160 --> 00:56:23.290
relationship with our heavenly
00:56:23.290 --> 00:56:25.090
Father, making decisions
00:56:25.090 --> 00:56:27.080
together, guided by his Spirit
00:56:27.080 --> 00:56:28.210
with the example of Christ
00:56:28.210 --> 00:56:30.010
before us, which is a whole new
00:56:30.010 --> 00:56:31.180
beautiful way of living.
00:56:31.180 --> 00:56:33.260
- Leon: So define religion for
00:56:33.260 --> 00:56:36.210
me then.
00:56:36.210 --> 00:56:37.210
I'd like both of you to do that.
00:56:37.210 --> 00:56:38.180
You start.
00:56:38.180 --> 00:56:39.070
Define religion.
00:56:39.070 --> 00:56:40.020
- Bruxy: Sure.
00:56:40.020 --> 00:56:40.180
Well, certainly, people use it
00:56:40.180 --> 00:56:41.090
in different ways.
00:56:41.090 --> 00:56:42.070
Some people use the word
00:56:42.070 --> 00:56:43.070
religion, maybe some of you do
00:56:43.070 --> 00:56:44.080
use the word religion positively
00:56:44.080 --> 00:56:45.220
to mean a faith relationship
00:56:45.220 --> 00:56:47.110
with Jesus.
00:56:47.110 --> 00:56:48.070
So if someone says to me, "I'm a
00:56:48.070 --> 00:56:49.130
very religious person," I don't
00:56:49.130 --> 00:56:50.220
immediately say, "Don't you know
00:56:50.220 --> 00:56:52.040
I wrote a book called 'The End
00:56:52.040 --> 00:56:52.280
of Religion'?
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:53.180
That's a terrible thing."
00:56:53.180 --> 00:56:54.110
I wanna listen to them for
00:56:54.110 --> 00:56:55.210
the--and it only takes about 30
00:56:55.210 --> 00:56:56.200
seconds in a conversation to see
00:56:56.200 --> 00:56:58.080
how they're using the word.
00:56:58.080 --> 00:56:59.120
And they might be using the word
00:56:59.120 --> 00:57:00.090
to talk about their love
00:57:00.090 --> 00:57:01.150
relationship with God.
00:57:01.150 --> 00:57:03.110
Many words can function that
00:57:03.110 --> 00:57:05.160
way, like the trunk of a tree or
00:57:05.160 --> 00:57:07.100
the trunk of an elephant or
00:57:07.100 --> 00:57:08.080
what--a big box you put your
00:57:08.080 --> 00:57:09.090
clothes in, all trunk.
00:57:09.090 --> 00:57:10.140
Religion gets used that way by
00:57:10.140 --> 00:57:11.280
some people.
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.040
But it gets used by many people
00:57:13.040 --> 00:57:14.270
to refer to exactly that early
00:57:14.270 --> 00:57:16.270
stage of spiritual development
00:57:16.270 --> 00:57:19.210
that is rule-based, that is
00:57:19.210 --> 00:57:22.000
law-based, and necessarily so
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.050
for that season.
00:57:24.050 --> 00:57:25.290
The word it comes from in the
00:57:25.290 --> 00:57:28.090
Latin, religare, means to tie up
00:57:28.090 --> 00:57:29.260
or to bind.
00:57:29.260 --> 00:57:31.260
So you could use that positively
00:57:31.260 --> 00:57:33.060
to say, "I am fastening myself
00:57:33.060 --> 00:57:34.290
to God."
00:57:34.290 --> 00:57:35.260
But you could use it negatively
00:57:35.260 --> 00:57:37.080
to say, "I have been put in
00:57:37.080 --> 00:57:39.200
bondage."
00:57:39.200 --> 00:57:41.050
And so if--I'd say religion in
00:57:41.160 --> 00:57:44.160
its negative sense is when
00:57:44.160 --> 00:57:46.010
someone claims to be following
00:57:46.010 --> 00:57:48.120
Jesus but is still trying to
00:57:48.120 --> 00:57:49.170
live in the old covenant.
00:57:49.170 --> 00:57:51.010
And then they're still in
00:57:51.010 --> 00:57:52.190
bondage while they're claiming
00:57:52.190 --> 00:57:53.200
the freedom of Christ.
00:57:53.200 --> 00:57:54.200
They become a walking
00:57:54.200 --> 00:57:55.140
contradiction.
00:57:55.140 --> 00:57:56.240
And that will lead to a lot of
00:57:56.240 --> 00:57:59.090
damage.
00:57:59.090 --> 00:58:00.080
- Leon: Is that why you called
00:58:00.080 --> 00:58:01.130
your book, "The Naked Gospel,"
00:58:01.130 --> 00:58:03.230
because men keep adding rules to
00:58:03.230 --> 00:58:05.040
it?
00:58:05.040 --> 00:58:05.280
- Andrew: Yeah, I mean, we've
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:06.240
gotta undress this thing and go
00:58:06.240 --> 00:58:08.140
back 2.000 years ago and see
00:58:08.140 --> 00:58:10.250
what the early church was so
00:58:10.250 --> 00:58:11.250
crazy about.
00:58:11.250 --> 00:58:13.230
I mean, they were willing to be
00:58:13.230 --> 00:58:14.260
stoned, you know, sawn in two,
00:58:15.160 --> 00:58:18.160
taken from their families,
00:58:18.160 --> 00:58:19.240
crucified upside down.
00:58:19.240 --> 00:58:21.190
Something--there was a passion
00:58:21.190 --> 00:58:23.050
there about a message that I'm
00:58:23.050 --> 00:58:25.110
afraid we've covered up and so
00:58:25.110 --> 00:58:27.100
"The Naked Gospel" is about
00:58:27.100 --> 00:58:28.120
getting back to that core
00:58:28.120 --> 00:58:29.240
message.
00:58:29.240 --> 00:58:30.150
And I would say that religion,
00:58:30.150 --> 00:58:32.110
you know, the bad kind of
00:58:32.110 --> 00:58:33.210
religion that we're talking
00:58:33.210 --> 00:58:34.170
about here is basically chasing
00:58:34.170 --> 00:58:36.180
after what you've already got in
00:58:36.180 --> 00:58:38.210
Christ.
00:58:38.210 --> 00:58:39.290
And so, you know, like, for
00:58:40.090 --> 00:58:43.090
example, religion comes knocking
00:58:43.090 --> 00:58:44.170
at your door and, if you let it
00:58:44.170 --> 00:58:46.020
in, it says you need more
00:58:46.020 --> 00:58:48.030
forgiveness.
00:58:48.030 --> 00:58:49.050
So Christians have bought into
00:58:49.050 --> 00:58:50.090
this idea that I need to beg and
00:58:50.090 --> 00:58:52.090
plead and wait and hope to get
00:58:52.090 --> 00:58:53.290
more forgiveness but Jesus said,
00:58:53.290 --> 00:58:55.250
"It's finished."
00:58:55.250 --> 00:58:57.010
Like, right now, we're seated in
00:58:57.010 --> 00:58:58.170
chairs.
00:58:58.170 --> 00:58:59.280
But this chair right here, I
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.100
mean, it was a forbidden piece
00:59:01.100 --> 00:59:03.050
of furniture in the tabernacle,
00:59:03.050 --> 00:59:04.210
in the temple.
00:59:04.210 --> 00:59:05.170
The priest was not allowed to
00:59:05.170 --> 00:59:06.240
sit down on the job.
00:59:06.240 --> 00:59:08.160
Now, why?
00:59:08.160 --> 00:59:09.110
Well, I mean, imagine you go in
00:59:09.110 --> 00:59:10.190
and see your high priest kicked
00:59:10.190 --> 00:59:12.140
back in a La-Z-Boy chair and he
00:59:12.140 --> 00:59:14.040
says, "What's up?"
00:59:14.040 --> 00:59:15.190
I mean, that would communicate
00:59:15.190 --> 00:59:17.060
to you that this guy has no work
00:59:17.060 --> 00:59:19.030
left.
00:59:19.030 --> 00:59:20.000
But Jesus wouldn't allow that in
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.010
the Old Testament so that when
00:59:22.010 --> 00:59:23.240
he finally, after the cross,
00:59:23.240 --> 00:59:25.170
when it says, "He sat down at
00:59:25.170 --> 00:59:27.170
the right hand of God," that
00:59:27.170 --> 00:59:29.030
meant that for the first time in
00:59:29.030 --> 00:59:30.200
human history, the forgiveness
00:59:30.200 --> 00:59:32.270
issue had been settled.
00:59:32.270 --> 00:59:34.190
So our forgiveness is not year
00:59:34.190 --> 00:59:37.160
after year, or day after day, or
00:59:37.160 --> 00:59:39.020
sin after sin in some neurotic
00:59:39.020 --> 00:59:41.130
fashion as we wait for a feeling
00:59:41.130 --> 00:59:43.050
of being forgiven.
00:59:43.050 --> 00:59:44.180
Our forgiveness is once for all,
00:59:44.180 --> 00:59:47.020
the Book of Hebrews says.
00:59:47.020 --> 00:59:48.180
And God is essentially saying,
00:59:48.180 --> 00:59:49.280
"My Son sat down.
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:51.280
Will you sit with him and agree
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:53.190
that it's finished?"
00:59:53.190 --> 00:59:55.130
- Leon: Is it hard for--yeah,
00:59:55.130 --> 00:59:57.100
that's awesome, amen.
00:59:57.100 --> 01:00:00.100
So when you look at sin, even
01:00:00.230 --> 01:00:03.230
before--so are you saying that
01:00:03.230 --> 01:00:05.010
even before you were born, Jesus
01:00:05.010 --> 01:00:06.270
had died 2.000 years ago and
01:00:06.270 --> 01:00:09.170
you're not that old, so he had
01:00:09.170 --> 01:00:10.250
died for every sin, period.
01:00:10.250 --> 01:00:13.220
And you were forgiven even
01:00:13.220 --> 01:00:14.210
before you were born?
01:00:14.210 --> 01:00:15.150
- Andrew: Yeah, I'm saying that
01:00:15.150 --> 01:00:16.070
there was a time in my life when
01:00:16.070 --> 01:00:17.170
I came to faith in Jesus Christ
01:00:17.170 --> 01:00:19.180
and what I received was not
01:00:19.180 --> 01:00:21.110
partial forgiveness or past
01:00:21.110 --> 01:00:23.200
forgiveness only.
01:00:23.200 --> 01:00:25.010
That all of my sins were in the
01:00:25.010 --> 01:00:27.220
future when Christ died.
01:00:27.220 --> 01:00:29.090
Think about it.
01:00:29.090 --> 01:00:30.110
Your past sins were in the
01:00:30.110 --> 01:00:31.150
future when Christ died, your
01:00:31.150 --> 01:00:32.260
present sins.
01:00:32.260 --> 01:00:34.140
Now, what about tomorrow's sins?
01:00:34.140 --> 01:00:36.080
Tomorrow's sins were also in the
01:00:36.080 --> 01:00:37.290
future when Christ died.
01:00:37.290 --> 01:00:40.000
So God looked down the timeline
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.000
of human history and he says,
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:44.070
"Your sins and lawless acts I
01:00:44.070 --> 01:00:46.060
remember no more."
01:00:46.060 --> 01:00:48.010
So when I received Jesus Christ,
01:00:48.010 --> 01:00:49.180
in him I have total forgiveness,
01:00:49.180 --> 01:00:52.160
not partial forgiveness.
01:00:52.160 --> 01:00:54.140
It's not apology-based
01:00:54.140 --> 01:00:57.030
forgiveness.
01:00:57.030 --> 01:00:58.000
It's blood-based forgiveness.
01:00:58.000 --> 01:00:59.240
And you know, unfortunately
01:00:59.240 --> 01:01:02.100
though, Leon, I'll tell you that
01:01:02.100 --> 01:01:04.220
the most popular message out
01:01:04.220 --> 01:01:07.200
there it seems like, in
01:01:07.200 --> 01:01:08.280
forgiven of all my sins, sure,
01:01:11.020 --> 01:01:12.080
up until salvation.
01:01:12.080 --> 01:01:14.180
But then it's up to me to stay
01:01:14.180 --> 01:01:15.290
forgiven and stay cleansed
01:01:15.290 --> 01:01:18.020
after that salvation started.
01:01:18.020 --> 01:01:20.040
- Leon: That's true.
01:01:20.040 --> 01:01:20.280
- Andrew: So then we're saying
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:21.220
that the gospel got worse
01:01:21.220 --> 01:01:23.090
because I got saved.
01:01:23.090 --> 01:01:25.020
I mean, then if that were true,
01:01:25.020 --> 01:01:26.220
the best method would be for me
01:01:26.220 --> 01:01:28.170
to wait and get saved on my
01:01:28.170 --> 01:01:29.270
death bed so that I have few
01:01:29.270 --> 01:01:31.220
sins to manage before I meet
01:01:31.220 --> 01:01:33.020
And we've gotta get ourselves
01:01:35.040 --> 01:01:36.180
out of the equation.
01:01:36.180 --> 01:01:37.230
I mean, it's not--it's healthy
01:01:37.230 --> 01:01:39.170
to be sorry, it's healthy to
01:01:39.170 --> 01:01:41.100
regret sin, it's healthy to
01:01:41.100 --> 01:01:43.110
turn--
01:01:43.110 --> 01:01:44.050
- Leon: So we should do that?
01:01:44.050 --> 01:01:44.260
- Andrew: Absolute--I mean,
01:01:44.260 --> 01:01:45.160
people freak out.
01:01:45.160 --> 01:01:47.000
They say, "You're telling me I
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:48.140
don't have to beg and plead and
01:01:48.140 --> 01:01:50.080
wait for God to forgive me so
01:01:50.080 --> 01:01:51.290
what should I do when I sin?"
01:01:51.290 --> 01:01:54.070
Well, here's a crazy idea.
01:01:54.070 --> 01:01:55.270
Stop.
01:01:55.270 --> 01:01:57.120
I mean, turn from it.
01:01:57.120 --> 01:01:59.180
But stopping and turning from it
01:01:59.180 --> 01:02:02.130
is different than waiting on God
01:02:02.140 --> 01:02:05.140
to swoop down out of heaven and
01:02:05.140 --> 01:02:07.040
polish me off again with a new
01:02:07.040 --> 01:02:09.130
portion of forgiveness.
01:02:09.130 --> 01:02:11.000
See, that's Judaism.
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:12.160
That's the old covenant.
01:02:12.160 --> 01:02:13.220
That's the blood of bulls and
01:02:13.220 --> 01:02:14.260
goats.
01:02:14.260 --> 01:02:15.220
Jesus took our sins away once
01:02:15.220 --> 01:02:17.120
for all and that makes all the
01:02:17.120 --> 01:02:19.090
difference.
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- Leon: Wow.
01:02:20.040 --> 01:02:21.000
Now, Bruxy, when you look at sin
01:02:21.190 --> 01:02:24.190
clap for you.
01:02:24.190 --> 01:02:27.090
When you look at sin, like,
01:02:27.090 --> 01:02:28.240
we're all thinking right now,
01:02:28.240 --> 01:02:30.110
"That's giving everyone a
01:02:30.110 --> 01:02:31.200
license to sin.
01:02:31.200 --> 01:02:32.180
You can go out and kill, you can
01:02:32.180 --> 01:02:33.120
mess around."
01:02:33.120 --> 01:02:34.110
But now, Jesus took the word sin
01:02:34.130 --> 01:02:37.130
and he ramped it up so high
01:02:37.130 --> 01:02:39.030
nobody could possibly do it
01:02:39.030 --> 01:02:41.050
without his help 'cause he said,
01:02:41.050 --> 01:02:42.180
"Whatever's not of faith is sin.
01:02:42.180 --> 01:02:45.160
If you know to do good and you
01:02:45.160 --> 01:02:46.110
don't do it, it's sin."
01:02:46.110 --> 01:02:48.080
It used to be if you murdered
01:02:48.080 --> 01:02:49.020
somebody, that was sin.
01:02:49.020 --> 01:02:50.050
Now, it's kind of like, if
01:02:50.050 --> 01:02:51.180
you're thinking it, it's sin.
01:02:51.180 --> 01:02:53.220
Like, talk to me about that.
01:02:53.220 --> 01:02:54.120
- Bruxy: Well, he makes it an
01:02:54.120 --> 01:02:55.080
internal issue and then he
01:02:55.080 --> 01:02:56.240
hang out inside us to help us
01:02:59.030 --> 01:03:00.240
live the new covenant life.
01:03:00.240 --> 01:03:02.240
So it's not a matter of saying,
01:03:02.240 --> 01:03:03.270
leave a vacuum and we'll see how
01:03:05.070 --> 01:03:06.210
you do."
01:03:06.210 --> 01:03:07.240
It's, "I will give you something
01:03:07.240 --> 01:03:09.020
better than the law.
01:03:09.020 --> 01:03:10.050
It will be my own love."
01:03:10.050 --> 01:03:12.050
And when he offers to come
01:03:12.050 --> 01:03:13.270
inside us, I mean, that's a
01:03:13.270 --> 01:03:14.280
fascinating question, is where
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:16.120
is Jesus right now?
01:03:16.120 --> 01:03:18.120
Where is Jesus right now?
01:03:18.120 --> 01:03:20.040
Well, he's sitting at the right
01:03:20.040 --> 01:03:21.160
hand of the Father.
01:03:21.160 --> 01:03:22.120
His work is finished.
01:03:22.120 --> 01:03:23.190
Yet, he said his last words at
01:03:23.190 --> 01:03:25.140
the end of the Great Commission
01:03:25.140 --> 01:03:27.060
was, "I will be with you always,
01:03:27.060 --> 01:03:30.050
even to the end of the age."
01:03:30.050 --> 01:03:31.220
He says, "I'm gonna be with you
01:03:31.220 --> 01:03:33.120
forever," and then he leaves.
01:03:33.120 --> 01:03:35.140
So which is it?
01:03:35.140 --> 01:03:36.190
Is he with 'em or has he gone,
01:03:36.190 --> 01:03:38.020
right?
01:03:38.020 --> 01:03:39.110
And where is the Father?
01:03:39.110 --> 01:03:40.010
Well, what we learn in John's
01:03:40.010 --> 01:03:42.050
Gospel is that Jesus says that
01:03:42.050 --> 01:03:44.040
"you will love the Father and
01:03:44.040 --> 01:03:47.010
the Father will love you and as
01:03:47.010 --> 01:03:48.160
you obey my teachings," he says,
01:03:48.160 --> 01:03:49.130
"we will come to you."
01:03:49.130 --> 01:03:51.280
We will come to you.
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.040
So through the Holy Spirit
01:03:53.040 --> 01:03:54.200
indwelling us--the Holy Spirit
01:03:54.200 --> 01:03:56.140
really represents the mind of
01:03:56.140 --> 01:03:57.230
Christ, the character of the
01:03:57.230 --> 01:03:59.070
Father--that somehow, through
01:03:59.070 --> 01:04:01.200
the Holy Spirit indwelling us,
01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:03.030
yes, Jesus is sitting at the
01:04:03.030 --> 01:04:04.140
right hand of the Father but his
01:04:04.140 --> 01:04:05.100
mind, his heart, his will,
01:04:05.100 --> 01:04:06.260
is also present within us.
01:04:06.260 --> 01:04:08.190
He is really guiding us
01:04:08.190 --> 01:04:10.190
from the inside out.
01:04:10.190 --> 01:04:12.280
So we don't say,
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:14.200
"What's the rule tell me?"
01:04:14.200 --> 01:04:16.100
We say, "What is Jesus saying to
01:04:16.100 --> 01:04:17.260
me?"
01:04:17.260 --> 01:04:18.190
And in that relational dynamic,
01:04:18.190 --> 01:04:19.290
we're not left without guidance.
01:04:19.290 --> 01:04:21.170
We're left with much better
01:04:21.170 --> 01:04:22.090
guidance.
01:04:22.090 --> 01:04:23.050
The guide himself is living with
01:04:23.050 --> 01:04:24.240
us.
01:04:24.240 --> 01:04:25.160
- Leon: That is so good.
01:04:25.160 --> 01:04:27.050
Anything you wanna add to that?
01:04:27.050 --> 01:04:28.080
- Andrew: Yeah, I mean, I don't
01:04:29.010 --> 01:04:32.010
know if you need to add to it
01:04:32.010 --> 01:04:32.280
but I just think it's the
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.180
miracle of the gospel.
01:04:34.180 --> 01:04:36.090
Christ in you, that's the
01:04:36.090 --> 01:04:38.010
biggest part of this.
01:04:38.010 --> 01:04:39.100
Like, you know, Michael Jordan,
01:04:39.100 --> 01:04:41.000
he's--he was an incredible
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:42.150
basketball player.
01:04:42.150 --> 01:04:43.210
He set all kinds of records, got
01:04:43.210 --> 01:04:45.210
all kind of Most Valuable Player
01:04:45.210 --> 01:04:48.160
awards.
01:04:48.160 --> 01:04:49.170
Now imagine if, by some miracle,
01:04:49.170 --> 01:04:52.010
you were infused with the spirit
01:04:52.010 --> 01:04:53.260
of Michael Jordan.
01:04:53.260 --> 01:04:54.280
And then you're invited to step
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:56.200
out on that court and play in
01:04:56.200 --> 01:04:58.150
your first NBA game.
01:04:58.150 --> 01:05:00.020
Well, at that point, you've got
01:05:00.020 --> 01:05:00.290
a decision to make.
01:05:00.290 --> 01:05:02.090
Are you, Leon, are you gonna
01:05:02.090 --> 01:05:03.200
play basketball like you've
01:05:03.200 --> 01:05:04.210
always played in the past or are
01:05:04.210 --> 01:05:05.270
you gonna trust the spirit of
01:05:05.270 --> 01:05:08.260
Michael Jordan to play in and
01:05:08.260 --> 01:05:11.050
through you?
01:05:11.050 --> 01:05:12.020
Now that's exactly what
01:05:12.020 --> 01:05:13.210
Christianity is.
01:05:13.210 --> 01:05:14.280
Christianity is not a ticket to
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:16.080
heaven.
01:05:16.080 --> 01:05:17.020
It's not primarily about a book
01:05:17.020 --> 01:05:18.110
and a building we sit in for an
01:05:18.110 --> 01:05:20.050
hour a week.
01:05:20.050 --> 01:05:21.080
It's about us being the building
01:05:21.080 --> 01:05:23.030
and Christ cleaning house and
01:05:23.030 --> 01:05:24.290
moving in.
01:05:24.290 --> 01:05:26.080
And then, you know, the
01:05:26.080 --> 01:05:28.020
Christian life is not difficult.
01:05:28.020 --> 01:05:29.250
It's impossible.
01:05:29.250 --> 01:05:31.220
Only Christ can live it.
01:05:31.220 --> 01:05:33.140
- Leon: That's so true.
01:05:33.140 --> 01:05:34.080
- Andrew: Only Christ can live
01:05:34.080 --> 01:05:36.040
it.
01:05:36.040 --> 01:05:36.250
So I step out onto that court of
01:05:36.250 --> 01:05:37.170
the Christian life and I've got
01:05:37.170 --> 01:05:39.010
a choice.
01:05:39.010 --> 01:05:39.250
Am I gonna try to crank out good
01:05:39.250 --> 01:05:40.170
behavior or am I gonna let the
01:05:40.170 --> 01:05:43.050
Spirit of Christ Jesus who lives
01:05:43.050 --> 01:05:44.140
in me go ahead and live through
01:05:44.140 --> 01:05:46.180
me?
01:05:46.180 --> 01:05:47.170
Because remember, I mean, the
01:05:47.170 --> 01:05:48.270
whole point, the whole point of
01:05:48.270 --> 01:05:50.090
the gospel is that he gave his
01:05:50.090 --> 01:05:53.010
life for us so that he could
01:05:53.010 --> 01:05:55.000
give his life to us so that he
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:56.280
could live his life through us.
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:58.280
- Leon: Through us.
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:00.090
Wow.
01:06:00.090 --> 01:06:00.250
That is so well said.
01:06:00.250 --> 01:06:02.010
So good, you guys.
01:06:02.010 --> 01:06:02.280
You know, I do a lot of work in
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:04.250
years past we would go into
01:06:04.250 --> 01:06:06.070
prisons.
01:06:06.070 --> 01:06:07.110
And people would send us names
01:06:07.110 --> 01:06:09.060
and in Canada it's hard to get
01:06:09.060 --> 01:06:10.240
in to see someone.
01:06:10.240 --> 01:06:11.190
You've gotta be accepted
01:06:11.190 --> 01:06:12.200
and go through all this stuff.
01:06:12.200 --> 01:06:14.120
And so I remember meeting with
01:06:14.120 --> 01:06:15.160
one man that his family wanted
01:06:15.160 --> 01:06:16.210
me to talk to him.
01:06:16.210 --> 01:06:17.240
And this guy was a mess.
01:06:17.240 --> 01:06:18.250
He was a murderer.
01:06:18.250 --> 01:06:19.210
I mean, you make a list, this
01:06:19.210 --> 01:06:20.210
guy had a long track sheet.
01:06:20.210 --> 01:06:22.120
And he came from a Christian
01:06:22.120 --> 01:06:23.290
home.
01:06:23.290 --> 01:06:24.240
And he was talking to me about
01:06:24.240 --> 01:06:26.070
guilt and all these different
01:06:26.070 --> 01:06:27.270
things and I just looked at him,
01:06:27.270 --> 01:06:29.120
I said, "You know, you've been
01:06:29.120 --> 01:06:30.170
forgiven the whole time you were
01:06:30.170 --> 01:06:33.060
doing all this stuff."
01:06:33.060 --> 01:06:34.230
He goes, "What?"
01:06:34.230 --> 01:06:36.180
I said--he was telling me how he
01:06:36.180 --> 01:06:38.170
would lay in the bottom of his
01:06:38.170 --> 01:06:39.210
cell and literally just weep and
01:06:39.210 --> 01:06:41.010
he knew that he was just no
01:06:41.010 --> 01:06:43.050
good, that he tried and tried.
01:06:43.050 --> 01:06:45.250
And so we end up talking about
01:06:45.250 --> 01:06:47.020
grace.
01:06:47.020 --> 01:06:48.100
And I basically just told him
01:06:48.100 --> 01:06:49.120
point blank, I said, "All the
01:06:49.120 --> 01:06:51.010
time, the years you've spent
01:06:51.010 --> 01:06:52.160
running from him, thinking he'll
01:06:52.160 --> 01:06:53.240
never accept you back, even
01:06:53.240 --> 01:06:54.250
then, you were forgiven.
01:06:54.250 --> 01:06:57.140
You just needed to reach out and
01:06:57.140 --> 01:06:59.130
believe this."
01:06:59.130 --> 01:07:01.040
And it just busted him up.
01:07:01.040 --> 01:07:03.260
I'll never forget watching him
01:07:03.260 --> 01:07:05.050
just turn to Christ and then,
01:07:05.050 --> 01:07:07.130
even after all he'd done, only
01:07:07.130 --> 01:07:09.090
the miracle of accepting Christ
01:07:09.090 --> 01:07:11.270
and believing on him would have
01:07:11.270 --> 01:07:13.110
done the miracle I watched on
01:07:13.110 --> 01:07:14.150
him as he got rid of the shame
01:07:14.150 --> 01:07:15.210
and the guilt.
01:07:15.210 --> 01:07:17.040
What you guys are talking about
01:07:17.040 --> 01:07:18.090
today is the way for the church
01:07:18.140 --> 01:07:21.140
to reach the world.
01:07:21.140 --> 01:07:23.000
But the more rules and religion
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:24.150
we add to this, the more people
01:07:24.150 --> 01:07:27.130
smartly so, probably stay away
01:07:27.180 --> 01:07:30.180
rather than meet the Jesus we're
01:07:30.180 --> 01:07:32.060
introducing.
01:07:32.060 --> 01:07:33.140
- Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
01:07:33.140 --> 01:07:34.130
You know, my grandmother, she
01:07:34.130 --> 01:07:36.250
they say, late to her own
01:07:39.050 --> 01:07:41.080
funeral.
01:07:41.080 --> 01:07:42.180
She was--she didn't show up for
01:07:42.180 --> 01:07:44.130
it.
01:07:44.130 --> 01:07:45.090
Our family stood around the
01:07:45.090 --> 01:07:46.270
grave and there was a hole in
01:07:46.270 --> 01:07:48.050
the ground and no grandma to be
01:07:48.050 --> 01:07:49.280
found.
01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:51.110
And--this is true story.
01:07:51.110 --> 01:07:52.260
But her hearse driver was 2
01:07:52.260 --> 01:07:55.080
so, you know, she didn't even
01:07:58.000 --> 01:07:59.240
show up.
01:07:59.240 --> 01:08:00.260
And I bring this up--
01:08:00.260 --> 01:08:02.030
- Leon: That's crazy.
01:08:02.030 --> 01:08:02.290
- Andrew: I bring it up because
01:08:02.290 --> 01:08:04.070
not only is it a true story and
01:08:04.070 --> 01:08:05.190
not only is it sort of
01:08:05.190 --> 01:08:07.250
making--bringing to life that
01:08:07.250 --> 01:08:09.120
old statement, you know, are you
01:08:09.120 --> 01:08:10.280
late to your own funeral.
01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:12.190
She'd be late to her own
01:08:12.190 --> 01:08:13.120
funeral.
01:08:13.120 --> 01:08:13.280
Well, she literally was.
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.120
And you know, we Christians, if
01:08:15.120 --> 01:08:17.220
we don't watch it, we're late to
01:08:17.220 --> 01:08:19.060
our own funeral.
01:08:19.060 --> 01:08:20.200
I mean, the Bible says we're
01:08:20.200 --> 01:08:21.150
dead to the law.
01:08:21.150 --> 01:08:22.290
The Bible says our old self
01:08:22.290 --> 01:08:24.090
died.
01:08:24.090 --> 01:08:25.120
It says we're a new creation.
01:08:25.120 --> 01:08:26.240
Romans 6 says, "Or do you not
01:08:26.240 --> 01:08:28.250
know that all of us who were
01:08:28.250 --> 01:08:31.000
baptized into Christ were
01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:32.270
baptized into his death?"
01:08:32.270 --> 01:08:34.220
So we got a lot of Christians,
01:08:34.220 --> 01:08:35.250
myself included, I was late to
01:08:35.250 --> 01:08:37.280
my own funeral.
01:08:37.280 --> 01:08:39.040
I was a Christian 10 years
01:08:39.040 --> 01:08:40.290
before I understood what it
01:08:40.290 --> 01:08:42.130
meant to be crucified with
01:08:42.130 --> 01:08:43.240
Christ, buried with Christ, and
01:08:43.240 --> 01:08:45.220
raised with Christ.
01:08:45.220 --> 01:08:47.000
We're running around planet
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:48.210
earth with crosses on our necks
01:08:48.210 --> 01:08:50.130
and we know that Jesus died and
01:08:50.130 --> 01:08:52.240
people think that the gospel is
01:08:52.240 --> 01:08:54.050
Jesus died for your sins.
01:08:54.050 --> 01:08:55.250
Well, that's half of the gospel.
01:08:55.250 --> 01:08:57.160
The other half is that you died
01:08:57.160 --> 01:08:59.090
with Jesus.
01:08:59.090 --> 01:09:00.220
You died to the law, you died to
01:09:00.220 --> 01:09:02.090
the power of sin.
01:09:02.090 --> 01:09:04.040
You're a new creation.
01:09:04.040 --> 01:09:05.270
But hey, Christian, are you like
01:09:05.270 --> 01:09:07.100
my grandma?
01:09:07.100 --> 01:09:08.200
Are you late to your own
01:09:08.200 --> 01:09:09.190
funeral?
01:09:09.190 --> 01:09:10.290
- Leon: Now, you do a lot of
01:09:10.290 --> 01:09:12.050
radio and a lot of Q&A.
01:09:12.050 --> 01:09:14.160
Do you get a lot of question and
01:09:14.160 --> 01:09:16.170
answers on this topic?
01:09:16.170 --> 01:09:17.250
- Andrew: Oh, yeah.
01:09:17.250 --> 01:09:18.270
I mean, people--well, first of
01:09:18.270 --> 01:09:20.080
all, the number one question I
01:09:20.080 --> 01:09:21.120
get is, "Can I lose my
01:09:21.120 --> 01:09:23.090
salvation?"
01:09:23.090 --> 01:09:24.120
And that question is quickly
01:09:24.120 --> 01:09:25.260
followed by four words, "But
01:09:25.260 --> 01:09:27.080
what if I--" and then they come
01:09:27.080 --> 01:09:29.230
up with a scenario, "But what if
01:09:29.230 --> 01:09:31.290
I get a divorce?"
01:09:31.290 --> 01:09:32.270
"But what if I commit suicide?"
01:09:32.270 --> 01:09:34.060
"But what if I commit the same
01:09:34.060 --> 01:09:35.200
sin over and over?"
01:09:35.200 --> 01:09:38.090
You know, to that one I say,
01:09:38.090 --> 01:09:39.080
"Welcome to planet earth."
01:09:39.080 --> 01:09:40.110
I mean, James says, "We all
01:09:40.110 --> 01:09:41.240
stumble in many ways."
01:09:41.240 --> 01:09:43.060
But, you know, ultimately I
01:09:43.060 --> 01:09:44.260
think what Bruxy is saying and
01:09:44.260 --> 01:09:46.170
what I'm saying is that we get
01:09:46.170 --> 01:09:48.090
into the spot where we become
01:09:48.090 --> 01:09:49.110
the center of our universe.
01:09:49.110 --> 01:09:50.190
We become the center of the
01:09:50.190 --> 01:09:52.190
equation and we're saying,
01:09:52.220 --> 01:09:55.220
"But what if I do this?
01:09:55.220 --> 01:09:56.270
But what if I do this?"
01:09:56.270 --> 01:09:57.280
We need to see that the new
01:09:57.280 --> 01:09:59.000
covenant is not about us.
01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:00.290
It's actually a covenant that
01:10:00.290 --> 01:10:02.290
God made with himself.
01:10:02.290 --> 01:10:04.240
In the Old Testament, when God
01:10:04.240 --> 01:10:06.000
made a covenant, Abraham fell
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:07.050
asleep.
01:10:07.050 --> 01:10:08.030
And he woke up and the covenant
01:10:08.030 --> 01:10:09.290
was ratified.
01:10:09.290 --> 01:10:11.140
And in the same way, the new
01:10:11.140 --> 01:10:12.260
covenant is actually a promise
01:10:12.260 --> 01:10:14.180
between two unchangeable people:
01:10:14.180 --> 01:10:17.130
God and God.
01:10:17.130 --> 01:10:19.050
I'm changeable.
01:10:19.050 --> 01:10:20.110
But thank God, I am not in the
01:10:20.110 --> 01:10:22.010
equation.
01:10:22.010 --> 01:10:23.030
The new covenant is a promise
01:10:23.030 --> 01:10:25.050
between God and God and we're
01:10:25.050 --> 01:10:28.010
not even in the equation.
01:10:28.010 --> 01:10:29.240
We don't sustain it, we don't
01:10:29.240 --> 01:10:31.030
maintain it.
01:10:31.030 --> 01:10:31.290
We didn't start it.
01:10:31.290 --> 01:10:32.250
We don't finish it.
01:10:32.250 --> 01:10:34.100
- Leon: Man, if you wanna hear
01:10:34.100 --> 01:10:35.150
more about this, you've gotta
01:10:35.150 --> 01:10:36.180
get this book, "The Naked
01:10:36.180 --> 01:10:37.260
Gospel."
01:10:37.260 --> 01:10:38.200
Great book.
01:10:38.200 --> 01:10:39.270
It's--now, last thought, Bruxy.
01:10:39.270 --> 01:10:41.000
I gotta say, which is the same
01:10:42.070 --> 01:10:45.070
with Andrew, that whenever I'm
01:10:45.070 --> 01:10:46.120
with you, whenever I see you,
01:10:46.120 --> 01:10:48.200
you are never worked up.
01:10:48.200 --> 01:10:51.170
It's like there's a peace.
01:10:51.170 --> 01:10:52.290
You're not this freaked-out,
01:10:56.290 --> 01:10:58.030
filled-with-shame, guilt,
01:10:58.030 --> 01:10:59.040
remorse.
01:10:59.040 --> 01:11:00.160
Talk to me about that in the
01:11:00.160 --> 01:11:01.230
last few minutes.
01:11:01.230 --> 01:11:03.000
- Bruxy: Well, it's interesting
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:03.240
'cause both Andrew and myself
01:11:03.240 --> 01:11:04.250
have written about this in our
01:11:04.250 --> 01:11:06.150
books that Jesus promises that
01:11:06.180 --> 01:11:09.180
his yoke is easy, his burden is
01:11:09.180 --> 01:11:12.180
light, and that, as we follow
01:11:12.180 --> 01:11:14.150
him, we will find rest for our
01:11:14.150 --> 01:11:16.010
souls.
01:11:16.010 --> 01:11:17.210
There is--now, he says a yoke.
01:11:17.210 --> 01:11:19.160
Now, a yoke is an instrument of
01:11:19.160 --> 01:11:21.110
accomplishment, of doing
01:11:21.110 --> 01:11:23.050
something.
01:11:23.050 --> 01:11:24.010
underneath you or take my couch
01:11:26.090 --> 01:11:27.150
underneath you."
01:11:27.150 --> 01:11:28.110
He says, "Take my yoke upon
01:11:28.110 --> 01:11:29.120
you."
01:11:29.120 --> 01:11:30.110
But he has this beautiful
01:11:30.110 --> 01:11:31.250
paradox, where we're gonna
01:11:31.250 --> 01:11:33.040
accomplish things, we're gonna
01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:34.080
do things together but it will
01:11:34.080 --> 01:11:36.040
be restful for your soul.
01:11:36.040 --> 01:11:38.230
It will be peaceful.
01:11:38.230 --> 01:11:39.290
It will be--have a gentleness
01:11:39.290 --> 01:11:40.280
to it.
01:11:40.280 --> 01:11:42.110
And so there is something about
01:11:42.110 --> 01:11:43.260
the ability to embrace this yoke
01:11:46.230 --> 01:11:49.230
of Christ that says, "Everything
01:11:49.230 --> 01:11:51.080
I do now gets to be a want to
01:11:51.080 --> 01:11:52.170
instead of a have to."
01:11:52.170 --> 01:11:54.040
Everything--and that's
01:11:54.040 --> 01:11:55.110
what--that's--I understand from
01:11:55.110 --> 01:11:56.210
the outside looking in, people
01:11:56.210 --> 01:11:57.120
look at Christians, say, "You're
01:11:57.120 --> 01:11:58.070
like other religions.
01:11:58.070 --> 01:11:59.000
You have a holy book.
01:11:59.000 --> 01:11:59.250
You say holy prayers.
01:11:59.250 --> 01:12:00.220
You visit holy men in
01:12:00.220 --> 01:12:01.190
holy places.
01:12:01.190 --> 01:12:02.150
And you go through holy rituals.
01:12:02.150 --> 01:12:04.020
So you're just like every other
01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:04.290
religion."
01:12:04.290 --> 01:12:05.210
The difference is, for us, it's
01:12:05.210 --> 01:12:06.150
a want to, not a have to.
01:12:06.150 --> 01:12:08.020
None of those things make us
01:12:08.020 --> 01:12:09.170
right with God.
01:12:09.170 --> 01:12:10.210
We're right with God so we want
01:12:10.210 --> 01:12:11.280
to do these things.
01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:14.010
We sing songs to a God that we
01:12:14.010 --> 01:12:15.090
want to experience the romantic
01:12:15.090 --> 01:12:17.070
connection with, rather than
01:12:18.100 --> 01:12:21.100
feel that I have to sing in
01:12:21.100 --> 01:12:22.100
order to make him happy with me.
01:12:22.100 --> 01:12:24.000
You know, we gather together at
01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:25.240
a church so that we can remind
01:12:25.240 --> 01:12:27.120
each other of this beautiful,
01:12:27.120 --> 01:12:28.110
restful, peaceful, celebratory,
01:12:28.110 --> 01:12:30.080
joyful grace, rather than say,
01:12:30.080 --> 01:12:32.280
"We have to get together in
01:12:32.280 --> 01:12:34.020
order to somehow obtain that
01:12:34.020 --> 01:12:35.230
grace."
01:12:35.230 --> 01:12:36.280
And that difference from moving
01:12:36.280 --> 01:12:38.210
from a have to to a want to is
01:12:38.210 --> 01:12:40.040
so freeing.
01:12:40.040 --> 01:12:41.270
And really is, and what Jesus
01:12:41.270 --> 01:12:44.020
promised is true.
01:12:44.020 --> 01:12:45.160
It's restful for the soul.
01:12:45.160 --> 01:12:46.190
- Leon: When you get--when you
01:12:46.190 --> 01:12:47.140
figure out what you two
01:12:47.140 --> 01:12:48.260
gentlemen have written about and
01:12:48.260 --> 01:12:50.000
you begin to see Jesus the way
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:52.250
the Word of God presents him, it
01:12:52.250 --> 01:12:55.110
makes you fascinated with the
01:12:55.110 --> 01:12:56.210
Bible.
01:12:56.210 --> 01:12:58.150
It makes you fall in love with
01:12:58.150 --> 01:12:59.220
Jesus and the whole motive
01:12:59.220 --> 01:13:02.170
changes.
01:13:02.170 --> 01:13:03.110
I wanna thank you guys for being
01:13:03.110 --> 01:13:04.080
with me.
01:13:04.080 --> 01:13:04.260
This has been awesome.
01:13:04.260 --> 01:13:05.170
I could listen to you two guys
01:13:05.170 --> 01:13:06.080
talk all day.
01:13:06.080 --> 01:13:07.250
Ha, ha, ha.
01:13:07.250 --> 01:13:08.190
But thanks for being with me
01:13:08.190 --> 01:13:09.090
today.
01:13:09.090 --> 01:13:09.250
- Bruxy: Thank you.
01:13:09.250 --> 01:13:10.110
- Andrew: Thank you.
01:13:10.110 --> 01:13:10.290
- Leon: I want to--give 'em a
01:13:10.290 --> 01:13:11.200
hand.
01:13:11.200 --> 01:13:12.080
Isn't that awesome?
01:13:12.080 --> 01:13:13.040
Praise the Lord.
01:13:14.190 --> 01:13:17.190
You know, as we--when you think
01:13:17.190 --> 01:13:20.160
about the Christian life, if you
01:13:20.160 --> 01:13:22.170
don't really understand his
01:13:22.170 --> 01:13:25.030
grace and how much he loves you,
01:13:25.030 --> 01:13:27.250
people in the world won't be
01:13:27.250 --> 01:13:29.030
attracted to what you are
01:13:29.030 --> 01:13:30.230
producing.
01:13:30.230 --> 01:13:32.230
Whether you're on the job,
01:13:32.230 --> 01:13:34.030
wherever you go, they'll see you
01:13:34.030 --> 01:13:35.230
struggling, they'll see that you
01:13:35.230 --> 01:13:38.140
don't have a peace that passes
01:13:38.140 --> 01:13:39.190
understanding.
01:13:39.190 --> 01:13:40.170
There's no joy unspeakable
01:13:40.170 --> 01:13:42.170
and full of glory.
01:13:42.170 --> 01:13:43.270
You're just as stressed out
01:13:43.270 --> 01:13:45.070
as they are.
01:13:45.070 --> 01:13:46.100
And there's no change.
01:13:46.100 --> 01:13:47.200
problems but what makes us
01:13:49.220 --> 01:13:50.230
different is not that we're
01:13:50.230 --> 01:13:52.150
problem-free.
01:13:52.150 --> 01:13:54.010
What makes us different is that
01:13:54.010 --> 01:13:55.140
we sense this forgiveness
01:13:55.140 --> 01:13:57.050
and this love that only
01:13:57.050 --> 01:13:59.050
Jesus brings.
01:13:59.050 --> 01:14:00.210
You know, the Bible says about
01:14:00.210 --> 01:14:01.290
Jesus in Luke 2:52 that he grew
01:14:02.010 --> 01:14:05.010
in favor with God and he grew
01:14:05.020 --> 01:14:08.020
in favor with man.
01:14:08.020 --> 01:14:10.290
I call that spirit contemporary.
01:14:10.290 --> 01:14:12.200
It's being spiritually alive
01:14:12.200 --> 01:14:14.140
with the presence of God
01:14:14.140 --> 01:14:15.250
inside of you.
01:14:15.250 --> 01:14:16.220
You know the Word of God so
01:14:16.220 --> 01:14:18.290
You've been set free from the
01:14:21.150 --> 01:14:23.050
condemnation that the enemy
01:14:23.050 --> 01:14:24.280
owns so many Christians with.
01:14:24.280 --> 01:14:27.030
And you begin to realize whose
01:14:27.030 --> 01:14:28.210
you are.
01:14:28.210 --> 01:14:30.110
Then as you go to your job, you
01:14:30.110 --> 01:14:32.060
go about living the life that
01:14:32.060 --> 01:14:34.160
you're living, you then begin to
01:14:34.160 --> 01:14:36.130
focus on the people around you
01:14:36.130 --> 01:14:37.290
in a way that doesn't say, "You
01:14:37.290 --> 01:14:39.120
must go out and make converts.
01:14:39.140 --> 01:14:42.140
If you don't make converts, God
01:14:42.140 --> 01:14:43.180
will be unhappy."
01:14:43.180 --> 01:14:44.230
So we're out trying to get a new
01:14:44.230 --> 01:14:45.230
gold star on our chart or
01:14:45.230 --> 01:14:47.150
another check mark in heaven.
01:14:47.150 --> 01:14:49.120
And people sense it.
01:14:49.120 --> 01:14:50.230
It's like going to get--to a guy
01:14:50.230 --> 01:14:52.010
who's selling cars and you can
01:14:52.010 --> 01:14:53.120
tell he needs to sell a car real
01:14:53.120 --> 01:14:54.220
bad or he's not getting paid.
01:14:54.220 --> 01:14:56.130
And so you walk onto the floor,
01:14:56.130 --> 01:14:58.080
he comes to try to sell you and
01:14:58.080 --> 01:14:59.120
he's overselling and
01:14:59.120 --> 01:15:00.280
overselling.
01:15:00.280 --> 01:15:01.290
And it just pulls you away.
01:15:01.290 --> 01:15:03.200
And then you find this guy that
01:15:03.200 --> 01:15:04.290
he just wants to look after you
01:15:04.290 --> 01:15:06.080
and what is it that you want?
01:15:06.080 --> 01:15:07.190
That's what touches you.
01:15:07.190 --> 01:15:09.070
Until we understand Jesus, the
01:15:09.080 --> 01:15:12.080
cross, what he did on the cross,
01:15:12.210 --> 01:15:15.210
that this salvation package is
01:15:15.210 --> 01:15:17.090
so beautiful and complete, that
01:15:17.090 --> 01:15:19.280
you can just enjoy him, that his
01:15:20.010 --> 01:15:23.010
power is there to help you, it
01:15:23.010 --> 01:15:24.200
transforms you.
01:15:24.200 --> 01:15:26.040
Your life is gonna be so amazing
01:15:26.040 --> 01:15:27.230
with him that now you become an
01:15:27.230 --> 01:15:30.050
attractive force everywhere you
01:15:30.050 --> 01:15:32.150
go.
01:15:32.150 --> 01:15:33.120
People will just say, "What's
01:15:33.120 --> 01:15:34.050
different about you?"
01:15:34.050 --> 01:15:35.160
I was walking into a Starbucks
01:15:35.160 --> 01:15:36.170
that I always go to and one--and
01:15:36.170 --> 01:15:38.130
they didn't know what I did.
01:15:38.130 --> 01:15:39.280
And so I would joke around and
01:15:39.280 --> 01:15:42.040
there was a shift change and
01:15:44.180 --> 01:15:45.200
both shifts were there at the
01:15:45.200 --> 01:15:46.220
Starbucks and one girl says,
01:15:46.220 --> 01:15:48.070
"Can I just ask you a question?"
01:15:48.070 --> 01:15:49.090
I said, "Yeah."
01:15:49.090 --> 01:15:50.050
"What do you do?"
01:15:50.050 --> 01:15:51.100
And I said, "I'm not telling
01:15:51.100 --> 01:15:53.100
you."
01:15:53.100 --> 01:15:54.130
"What?"
01:15:54.130 --> 01:15:55.220
Said, "I'm not telling you."
01:15:55.220 --> 01:15:56.150
"Well, well, tell me what you
01:15:56.150 --> 01:15:57.150
do."
01:15:57.150 --> 01:15:58.040
I said, "No."
01:15:58.040 --> 01:15:58.260
"Okay, are you a lawyer?"
01:15:58.260 --> 01:16:00.030
And I said, "No."
01:16:00.030 --> 01:16:01.150
And they all started guessing
01:16:01.150 --> 01:16:02.100
while I'm getting my coffee and
01:16:02.100 --> 01:16:03.200
I just smiled and walked off.
01:16:03.200 --> 01:16:04.210
Well, for the next week or two,
01:16:04.210 --> 01:16:07.140
it was this ongoing guess with
01:16:07.140 --> 01:16:09.120
this guy do?
01:16:11.250 --> 01:16:12.250
Towards the end, I said, "Why
01:16:12.250 --> 01:16:14.150
are you guys so, like, curious
01:16:14.150 --> 01:16:17.040
about this?"
01:16:17.040 --> 01:16:18.220
They said, "There's just
01:16:18.220 --> 01:16:20.010
something about you.
01:16:20.010 --> 01:16:21.020
You come in here, you're happy,
01:16:21.020 --> 01:16:22.030
you're cool.
01:16:22.030 --> 01:16:23.180
So we're just trying to figure
01:16:23.180 --> 01:16:24.100
what you do."
01:16:24.100 --> 01:16:24.270
So I said, "Well, you wanna know
01:16:24.270 --> 01:16:26.030
what I do?"
01:16:26.030 --> 01:16:26.230
And they said, "Yeah."
01:16:26.230 --> 01:16:27.290
Said, "I'm a pastor."
01:16:27.290 --> 01:16:30.020
"Nooo!"
01:16:30.020 --> 01:16:32.050
And they all freak.
01:16:32.050 --> 01:16:34.120
And the whole place found out I
01:16:34.120 --> 01:16:36.160
was a pastor.
01:16:36.160 --> 01:16:37.250
They could not-- "You're not
01:16:37.250 --> 01:16:38.260
a--you're joshing."
01:16:38.260 --> 01:16:40.240
You know, they didn't use that
01:16:40.240 --> 01:16:41.150
word.
01:16:41.150 --> 01:16:42.000
It was a swear word I can't
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:42.210
repeat.
01:16:42.210 --> 01:16:43.210
And I said, "You're just messing
01:16:43.210 --> 01:16:44.230
with us, aren't you?"
01:16:44.230 --> 01:16:45.160
And they--and then they wouldn't
01:16:45.160 --> 01:16:46.190
believe that I was a pastor.
01:16:46.190 --> 01:16:48.180
So I had to prove to them that I
01:16:48.180 --> 01:16:50.190
was a pastor.
01:16:50.190 --> 01:16:52.100
And do you know, I had 17 of
01:16:52.100 --> 01:16:54.110
them come out one day to church
01:16:54.110 --> 01:16:56.220
to something special that we
01:16:56.220 --> 01:16:57.280
were doing and get a chance to
01:16:57.280 --> 01:16:59.130
see what we're doing.
01:16:59.130 --> 01:17:01.200
You know, to be truly Spirit
01:17:03.080 --> 01:17:06.080
contemporary is about being
01:17:06.090 --> 01:17:09.090
spiritually alive.
01:17:09.090 --> 01:17:10.290
It's about knowing Jesus,
01:17:10.290 --> 01:17:12.220
accepting him as your Savior,
01:17:12.220 --> 01:17:14.080
and then knowing the Word so
01:17:14.080 --> 01:17:16.240
that you realize it's all him.
01:17:16.240 --> 01:17:19.080
That what he did on the cross
01:17:19.080 --> 01:17:20.100
for me was he qualified me to be
01:17:20.170 --> 01:17:23.170
in God's family.
01:17:23.170 --> 01:17:24.260
He qualified me for all the
01:17:24.260 --> 01:17:26.070
promises.
01:17:26.070 --> 01:17:27.130
You know, in the Old Testament,
01:17:27.130 --> 01:17:28.160
all the promises are if.
01:17:28.160 --> 01:17:29.100
If you'll do this, God will do
01:17:29.100 --> 01:17:30.200
this.
01:17:30.200 --> 01:17:31.150
But in the New Testament, it
01:17:31.150 --> 01:17:32.210
says, "All the promises are in
01:17:32.210 --> 01:17:34.130
him Yes and Amen."
01:17:34.230 --> 01:17:37.230
It's done.
01:17:37.230 --> 01:17:38.220
He's qualified us for the
01:17:38.220 --> 01:17:40.030
blessing, the power, every
01:17:40.030 --> 01:17:41.220
promise that you need, you're
01:17:41.220 --> 01:17:42.260
qualified for.
01:17:42.260 --> 01:17:44.230
And then to boot, he's on the
01:17:44.230 --> 01:17:45.290
inside of us, living through us
01:17:45.290 --> 01:17:48.080
with his joy.
01:17:48.080 --> 01:17:49.120
We can have the mind of Christ.
01:17:49.120 --> 01:17:50.280
And in the Amplified it says,
01:17:50.280 --> 01:17:52.010
"The thoughts, the feelings, the
01:17:52.010 --> 01:17:53.160
purposes."
01:17:53.160 --> 01:17:54.230
Can you imagine what Jesus would
01:17:54.230 --> 01:17:56.110
be thinking and what he'd be
01:17:56.110 --> 01:17:57.160
feeling and what his purposes
01:17:57.160 --> 01:17:58.170
are?
01:17:58.170 --> 01:17:59.100
And I like that in the
01:17:59.100 --> 01:18:00.050
Amplified.
01:18:00.050 --> 01:18:00.230
It says you can literally have
01:18:00.230 --> 01:18:02.130
that mind of Christ.
01:18:02.130 --> 01:18:05.120
I wanna encourage you today to
01:18:05.120 --> 01:18:07.080
make sure, make a decision to
01:18:07.080 --> 01:18:09.270
And you know, if you've been led
01:18:12.050 --> 01:18:12.280
down the religion road and
01:18:12.280 --> 01:18:15.010
you've been turned off to
01:18:15.010 --> 01:18:15.250
church, turned off to the Bible,
01:18:15.250 --> 01:18:17.250
take a new look.
01:18:17.250 --> 01:18:19.110
There are so many great leaders
01:18:19.110 --> 01:18:20.270
out there, preachers, great
01:18:20.270 --> 01:18:22.140
churches, that I would say are
01:18:22.140 --> 01:18:23.260
Spirit contemporary.
01:18:23.260 --> 01:18:26.050
They're so filled with God's
01:18:26.050 --> 01:18:27.050
presence, the teaching of his
01:18:27.050 --> 01:18:28.240
Word, but they're contemporary.
01:18:28.240 --> 01:18:30.190
They're connecting with people
01:18:30.190 --> 01:18:32.010
in a real way.
01:18:32.010 --> 01:18:34.040
We're gonna go to a song in just
01:18:34.040 --> 01:18:34.270
a moment but, before we do, I
01:18:34.270 --> 01:18:37.060
wanna pray with you.
01:18:37.060 --> 01:18:39.180
I'm gonna ask God to touch you
01:18:39.180 --> 01:18:41.020
right where you are and that the
01:18:41.020 --> 01:18:42.290
Bruxy has said, some of the
01:18:46.020 --> 01:18:48.050
things that I've said, I believe
01:18:48.050 --> 01:18:48.270
Holy Spirit will touch your
01:18:48.270 --> 01:18:50.220
heart.
01:18:50.220 --> 01:18:51.160
And if just one thought goes
01:18:51.160 --> 01:18:53.040
away, I believe it's gonna
01:18:53.040 --> 01:18:54.260
change you in a beautiful way.
01:18:54.260 --> 01:18:56.100
Father, I just pray for every
01:18:56.100 --> 01:18:57.190
person watching this show.
01:18:57.190 --> 01:18:59.230
I don't know what lies have
01:18:59.230 --> 01:19:02.030
bound them or what the enemy has
01:19:02.030 --> 01:19:03.230
done to hurt them but, Father,
01:19:03.260 --> 01:19:06.260
I just pray a freedom.
01:19:06.260 --> 01:19:08.100
I just pray they'll get to know
01:19:09.130 --> 01:19:12.130
you in a real way, in a special
01:19:12.130 --> 01:19:13.090
way.
01:19:13.090 --> 01:19:14.050
And I'm asking you right now
01:19:14.050 --> 01:19:15.090
that, Father, something unique's
01:19:15.090 --> 01:19:17.140
gonna take place as they reach
01:19:17.140 --> 01:19:19.220
out to you.
01:19:19.220 --> 01:19:20.140
I believe it by faith in the
01:19:20.140 --> 01:19:21.210
mighty name of Jesus, amen and
01:19:22.220 --> 01:19:25.220
amen.
01:19:25.220 --> 01:19:26.200
Wow, give Jesus a hand.
01:19:26.200 --> 01:19:27.190
and keep watching.
01:19:32.200 --> 01:19:33.270
These shows are so awesome.
01:19:33.270 --> 01:19:35.090
I believe that teaching is gonna
01:19:35.090 --> 01:19:36.110
touch your life but, right now,
01:19:36.110 --> 01:19:37.250
let's just go out with
01:19:37.250 --> 01:19:39.040
a gorgeous song as Myron comes
01:19:39.040 --> 01:19:41.160
and sings to us.
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"Bless the Lord O my soul
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and all that is within me.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul,
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and all that is within me.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul,
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and all that is within me.
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I will bless your name.
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I will bless your name.
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I will bless your name.
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I will bless your name.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul.
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I'll bless the Lord
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with all of my soul.
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Bless the Lord.
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Yes, Lord.
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O my soul.
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And all that is within me.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul,
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and all that is within me.
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To the Father.
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I will bless your name.
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I will bless your name.
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I will bless your name.
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I will bless your name.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul.
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I'll bless the Lord
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with all of my soul.
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Bless the Lord.
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Hallelujah.
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O my soul.
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And all--
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Ha, everything
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that is within me.
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Anybody feel like that tonight?
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Hallelujah.
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O my soul.
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And all, oh, oh-oh-ohhh.
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I will bless.
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Hallelujah.
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Anybody gonna bless
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his name with me tonight?
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I will bless your name.
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I will.
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Hallelujah.
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I'll bless your name.
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I will bless your name.
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Listen, listen.
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For the Lord is holy.
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He's mighty.
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He's righteous.
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And the Lord is worthy.
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Bless the Lord.
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O my soul.
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Everybody in the room
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just lift up your hands, lift up
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your hands as an act of worship.
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And somebody just shout,
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"Hallelujah."
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Somebody shout,
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"Thank you, Jesus."
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Somebody shout--
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I will bless him.
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Yeah.
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I will bless your name.
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I will bless your name.
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I will bless your name.
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Hallelujah.
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Your name.
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On your bad days, listen.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul.
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Ohhh.
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Ohhh.
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O my soul.
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One more time.
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For the Lord is holy.
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He's mighty.
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He is righteous.
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And he is worthy.
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O my soul, he is holy.
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He's mighty.
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The Lord is righteous
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and he is worthy.
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Bless him.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul.
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O my soul.
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O my soul.
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Praise...
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Praise the Lord!
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