John Burke: Beyond Death | Life Today

April 17, 2026 | 27:29

The author of “Imagine Heaven” recounts the experiences and insights of people who claim to have seen beyond this life.

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Coming up on life today!
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Bestselling author john burke explores
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The phenomenon of near-death experiences.
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>> the best way to liken it is think about a painting
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On a wall, a black and white painting
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On a wall in a home here. right?
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Imagine if that's our world and our life
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And death is separation.
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So you get ripped out of that painting
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Into this three-dimensional world of this room
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And you experience three dimensions of color
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But you've only known two dimensions,
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And black and white...
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James: thank you all
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James: thank you all very much.
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James: thank you all very much. i welcome you.
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Very much. i welcome you. i'm james robison.
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I welcome you. i'm james robison. betty and i have a guest that
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I'm james robison. betty and i have a guest that we're really grateful
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Betty and i have a guest that we're really grateful to talk to.
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The book he has written
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The book he has written is called imagine heaven .
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The book he has written is called imagine heaven . he has spent years talking
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Is called imagine heaven . he has spent years talking to people, i mean hundreds
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He has spent years talking to people, i mean hundreds of people who've had
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To people, i mean hundreds of people who've had near-death experiences.
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Of people who've had near-death experiences. i'm telling you, it's
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Near-death experiences. i'm telling you, it's a new york times bestseller.
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I'm telling you, it's a new york times bestseller. let's talk to him.
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A new york times bestseller. let's talk to him. would you like to?
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Let's talk to him. would you like to? let's welcome john burke.
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Would you like to? let's welcome john burke. john: thank you so much
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Let's welcome john burke. john: thank you so much for having me on your show.
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John: thank you so much for having me on your show. james: alright, tell us
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John: well, it started for me
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John: well, it started for me when i was a skeptic.
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When i was a skeptic. when i was young i thought
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I didn't know what
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I didn't know what i believed about god.
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I didn't know what i believed about god. but my father was dying
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I believed about god. but my father was dying of cancer.
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But my father was dying of cancer. one night i saw on
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Of cancer. one night i saw on his bedstand, someone had
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One night i saw on his bedstand, someone had given him a book called
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His bedstand, someone had given him a book called life after life.
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Given him a book called life after life. and it was the first book...
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Life after life. and it was the first book... james: life after what?
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And it was the first book... james: life after what? john: life after life.
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James: life after what? john: life after life. it was the first book
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John: life after life. it was the first book that coined the term
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It was the first book that coined the term "near-death experience."
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That coined the term "near-death experience." that's when someone has
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"near-death experience." that's when someone has a heart attack or
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That's when someone has a heart attack or their brain waves cease.
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A heart attack or their brain waves cease. they are clinically dead
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Their brain waves cease. they are clinically dead and yet modern medicine
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They are clinically dead and yet modern medicine resuscitates them.
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And yet modern medicine resuscitates them. they come back talking about
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Resuscitates them. they come back talking about how, "but i wasn't dead!
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They come back talking about how, "but i wasn't dead! there's something else!"
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How, "but i wasn't dead! there's something else!" i read that book in one night
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There's something else!" i read that book in one night and i said at the end of it,
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I read that book in one night and i said at the end of it, oh my gosh!
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And i said at the end of it, oh my gosh! jesus, i think you're real!
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Oh my gosh! jesus, i think you're real! james: how old were you?
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Jesus, i think you're real! james: how old were you? john: i was 16 at the time.
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James: how old were you? john: i was 16 at the time. moody, who wrote that book,
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John: i was 16 at the time. moody, who wrote that book, was not a christian; he didn't
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Moody, who wrote that book, was not a christian; he didn't lead people that way.
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Was not a christian; he didn't lead people that way. that's what i concluded
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Lead people that way. that's what i concluded just hearing their stories.
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That's what i concluded just hearing their stories. so that took me on a journey.
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Just hearing their stories. so that took me on a journey. the next year was when
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So that took me on a journey. the next year was when i actually got into a small
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The next year was when i actually got into a small group bible study,
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I actually got into a small group bible study, asked my questions,
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Group bible study, asked my questions, came to faith in christ.
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Asked my questions, came to faith in christ. since then, i went from
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Came to faith in christ. since then, i went from a career in engineering,
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Since then, i went from a career in engineering, so i'm skeptical by nature.
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A career in engineering, so i'm skeptical by nature. i ask a lot of questions.
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So i'm skeptical by nature. i ask a lot of questions. into ministry,
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I ask a lot of questions. into ministry, through seminary.
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Into ministry, through seminary. so for the last 35 years
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Through seminary. so for the last 35 years i've not only intensely
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So for the last 35 years i've not only intensely studied the bible,
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I've not only intensely studied the bible, but i have studied about
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Studied the bible, but i have studied about a thousand of these
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But i have studied about a thousand of these near-death experiences
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A thousand of these near-death experiences because i've always wanted
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Near-death experiences because i've always wanted to understand what are those
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Because i've always wanted to understand what are those and how do they reconcile
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To understand what are those and how do they reconcile with what scripture says?
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And how do they reconcile with what scripture says? james: tell me what
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With what scripture says? james: tell me what you found out.
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James: tell me what you found out. john: well, what's really
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You found out. john: well, what's really important is understanding
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John: well, what's really important is understanding that what people come back
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Important is understanding that what people come back to try to describe is truly
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That what people come back to try to describe is truly of another dimension.
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To try to describe is truly of another dimension. the best way to liken it
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Of another dimension. the best way to liken it is think about a painting
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The best way to liken it is think about a painting on a wall, a black and white
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Is think about a painting on a wall, a black and white painting on a wall
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On a wall, a black and white painting on a wall in a home here. right?
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Painting on a wall in a home here. right? imagine if that's our world
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In a home here. right? imagine if that's our world and our life and death
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Imagine if that's our world and our life and death is separation.
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And our life and death is separation. so you get ripped out
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Is separation. so you get ripped out of that painting into
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So you get ripped out of that painting into this three-dimensional world
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Of that painting into this three-dimensional world of this room and you
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This three-dimensional world of this room and you experience three dimensions
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Of this room and you experience three dimensions of color but you've only
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Experience three dimensions of color but you've only known two dimensions
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Of color but you've only known two dimensions and black and white.
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Known two dimensions and black and white. now you're put back into
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And black and white. now you're put back into the flat painting and
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Now you're put back into the flat painting and you have to describe
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The flat painting and you have to describe three dimensions of color
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You have to describe three dimensions of color in two-dimensional
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Three dimensions of color in two-dimensional black and white words.
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In two-dimensional black and white words. that's what people
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Black and white words. that's what people are trying to explain.
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That's what people are trying to explain. so, as a result they are all
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Are trying to explain. so, as a result they are all interpreting an experience.
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So, as a result they are all interpreting an experience. they're going to interpret it
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Interpreting an experience. they're going to interpret it in their own framework.
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They're going to interpret it in their own framework. now, when you look at what
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In their own framework. now, when you look at what they are commonly trying
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Now, when you look at what they are commonly trying to say, and that's what
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They are commonly trying to say, and that's what i'm doing, is taking
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To say, and that's what i'm doing, is taking these thousand near-death
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I'm doing, is taking these thousand near-death experiences and i take
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These thousand near-death experiences and i take about 120 of their stories
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Experiences and i take about 120 of their stories to let you hear
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About 120 of their stories to let you hear through their words how this
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To let you hear through their words how this actually correlates with what
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Through their words how this actually correlates with what the bible said all along
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Actually correlates with what the bible said all along about what we should expect
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The bible said all along about what we should expect of the life to come.
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James: did you find common
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James: did you find common experiences, descriptions,
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James: did you find common experiences, descriptions, that you found consistent
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Experiences, descriptions, that you found consistent with what another said
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That you found consistent with what another said that in a skeptic's mind
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Actually seemed to make sense
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Actually seemed to make sense and would have as a person
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Actually seemed to make sense and would have as a person then who's been studying
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And would have as a person then who's been studying the bible, consistent, not
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Then who's been studying the bible, consistent, not contradictory of scripture?
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The bible, consistent, not contradictory of scripture? john: absolutely! yes.
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Contradictory of scripture? john: absolutely! yes. james: so i know you go over
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John: absolutely! yes. james: so i know you go over them very, very thoroughly
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James: so i know you go over them very, very thoroughly in the book which is why
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Them very, very thoroughly in the book which is why it's a bestseller,
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In the book which is why it's a bestseller, which is why betty and i heard
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It's a bestseller, which is why betty and i heard about it, which is why betty
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Which is why betty and i heard about it, which is why betty immediately started reading
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What are the common elements?
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What are the common elements? john: well, the first is,
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John: well, the first is, when people die
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When people die they don't feel dead.
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They don't feel dead. they feel more alive than
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They feel more alive than they've ever been before.
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They've ever been before. they say they come alive.
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But it's a spiritual body.
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But it's a spiritual body. and they often say, it wasn't
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But it's a spiritual body. and they often say, it wasn't like i had five senses.
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And they often say, it wasn't like i had five senses. i still could touch, taste...
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Like i had five senses. i still could touch, taste... but i had more like
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I still could touch, taste... but i had more like 50 senses.
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But i had more like 50 senses. the senses were heightened,
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50 senses. the senses were heightened, like sight that
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The senses were heightened, like sight that you could see for miles.
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Like sight that you could see for miles. or hearing, or touch.
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You could see for miles. or hearing, or touch. everything was supercharged.
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Or hearing, or touch. everything was supercharged. now, what's interesting is
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Everything was supercharged. now, what's interesting is they usually stay within
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Now, what's interesting is they usually stay within the room and are usually
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They usually stay within the room and are usually up above looking down
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The room and are usually up above looking down at their own resuscitation.
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Up above looking down at their own resuscitation. and in chapter two i write
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At their own resuscitation. and in chapter two i write about skeptical doctors
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And in chapter two i write about skeptical doctors and the afterlife.
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About skeptical doctors and the afterlife. and i write about many
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And the afterlife. and i write about many skeptical cardiologists
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And i write about many skeptical cardiologists and oncologists who,
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Skeptical cardiologists and oncologists who, interviewing their patients,
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And oncologists who, interviewing their patients, changed their view.
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Interviewing their patients, changed their view. they thought when you died
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Changed their view. they thought when you died it's lights out, done.
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They thought when you died it's lights out, done. you're over.
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It's lights out, done. you're over. and they changed their view
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You're over. and they changed their view to believe no, consciousness
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And they changed their view to believe no, consciousness lasts beyond the grave.
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To believe no, consciousness lasts beyond the grave. now, whether they get it
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Lasts beyond the grave. now, whether they get it that it connects the bible
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Now, whether they get it that it connects the bible or not isn't always clear.
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That it connects the bible or not isn't always clear. james: but they got that this
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Or not isn't always clear. james: but they got that this doesn't seem to be the end?
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James: but they got that this doesn't seem to be the end? john: yeah! because of
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Doesn't seem to be the end? john: yeah! because of very verifiable things
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John: yeah! because of very verifiable things that have been reported.
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Very verifiable things that have been reported. so, for instance...
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That have been reported. so, for instance... james: that are consistent?
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So, for instance... james: that are consistent? john: yeah.
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James: that are consistent? john: yeah. so this has been reported
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John: yeah. so this has been reported in the journal of american
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So this has been reported in the journal of american medical association.
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In the journal of american medical association. about 900 scholarly journals
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Medical association. about 900 scholarly journals have written on this now.
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About 900 scholarly journals have written on this now. gallop poll says
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Have written on this now. gallop poll says one out of 25 people have
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Gallop poll says one out of 25 people have had a near-death experience.
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One out of 25 people have had a near-death experience. this is not uncommon.
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Had a near-death experience. this is not uncommon. but christians have not
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This is not uncommon. but christians have not wrestled with okay, but
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But christians have not wrestled with okay, but we need to reconcile it
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Wrestled with okay, but we need to reconcile it to the scriptures.
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We need to reconcile it to the scriptures. how do we do that?
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To the scriptures. how do we do that? it's what i was trying to do.
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How do we do that? it's what i was trying to do. and it does.
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It's what i was trying to do. and it does. so paul said...
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And it does. so paul said... i believe paul had
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So paul said... i believe paul had a near-death experience.
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I believe paul had a near-death experience. acts chapter 14 he's stoned
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A near-death experience. acts chapter 14 he's stoned to death, dragged out
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Acts chapter 14 he's stoned to death, dragged out of the city, left for dead.
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To death, dragged out of the city, left for dead. and then he gets up and
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Of the city, left for dead. and then he gets up and goes back into the city.
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And then he gets up and goes back into the city. personally, i don't think
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Goes back into the city. personally, i don't think i would have gone back
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Personally, i don't think i would have gone back in the city that just
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I would have gone back in the city that just stoned me to death.
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In the city that just stoned me to death. [laughter]
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Stoned me to death. [laughter] james: he did refer to it like
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[laughter] james: he did refer to it like an out of body experience.
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James: he did refer to it like an out of body experience. john: in first corinthians 12
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An out of body experience. john: in first corinthians 12 he says - he talks about
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John: in first corinthians 12 he says - he talks about himself 14 years ago,
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He says - he talks about himself 14 years ago, whether in the body
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Himself 14 years ago, whether in the body or out of the body
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Whether in the body or out of the body i don't know. why?
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Or out of the body i don't know. why? because you still feel
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I don't know. why? because you still feel like you have a body.
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Because you still feel like you have a body. and he talks about being
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Like you have a body. and he talks about being taken up into heaven and
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And he talks about being taken up into heaven and seeing inexpressible things.
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Taken up into heaven and seeing inexpressible things. but he also talks about,
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Seeing inexpressible things. but he also talks about, in first corinthians 15,
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But he also talks about, in first corinthians 15, that our bodies are sown
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In first corinthians 15, that our bodies are sown a natural body, but they're
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That our bodies are sown a natural body, but they're raised a spiritual body.
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A natural body, but they're raised a spiritual body. they're sown in weakness
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Raised a spiritual body. they're sown in weakness but they're raised in power.
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They're sown in weakness but they're raised in power. james: do many of them express
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But they're raised in power. james: do many of them express that there's a power
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James: do many of them express that there's a power that they've sensed
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That there's a power that they've sensed in this other realm?
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That they've sensed in this other realm? john: the way they describe it
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In this other realm? john: the way they describe it is, "i had never felt
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John: the way they describe it is, "i had never felt so alive in my life."
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Is, "i had never felt so alive in my life." they come back and they say
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So alive in my life." they come back and they say this life is the shadow.
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They come back and they say this life is the shadow. that's the real thing.
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This life is the shadow. that's the real thing. this is the less -
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That's the real thing. this is the less - we think of heaven and
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This is the less - we think of heaven and we think fuzzy, ethereal,
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We think of heaven and we think fuzzy, ethereal, boring, hanging out on clouds
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We think fuzzy, ethereal, boring, hanging out on clouds wishing you'd brought
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Boring, hanging out on clouds wishing you'd brought a magazine.
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Wishing you'd brought a magazine. or people think
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A magazine. or people think it's going to be an endless
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Or people think it's going to be an endless church service.
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It's going to be an endless church service. i'm a pastor and
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Church service. i'm a pastor and that sounds bad to me.
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I'm a pastor and that sounds bad to me. james: a lot of people
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That sounds bad to me. james: a lot of people just checked out.
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James: a lot of people just checked out. [laughter]
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Just checked out. [laughter] john: it's going to
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[laughter] john: it's going to be life fully!
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John: it's going to be life fully! that's what jesus said.
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Be life fully! that's what jesus said. hey, i'm going to prepare
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That's what jesus said. hey, i'm going to prepare a place for you.
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People consistently say.
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People consistently say. so yes, like in the ██ lancet █,
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So yes, like in the ██ lancet █, a medical journal in europe,
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Who is brought into
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Who is brought into the hospital there.
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Who is brought into the hospital there. he was comatose.
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The hospital there. he was comatose. he had had a heart attack.
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He was comatose. he had had a heart attack. the nurse realized before
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He had had a heart attack. the nurse realized before they intubated him
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The nurse realized before they intubated him and shocked his heart
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They intubated him and shocked his heart he had dentures.
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And shocked his heart he had dentures. so they took the dentures out,
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He had dentures. so they took the dentures out, put them in a lower drawer
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So they took the dentures out, put them in a lower drawer of the crash cart.
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Put them in a lower drawer of the crash cart. his heart started beating
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Of the crash cart. his heart started beating but he never came to
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His heart started beating but he never came to in the e.r.; rolled him
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But he never came to in the e.r.; rolled him out to another room.
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In the e.r.; rolled him out to another room. a week later he comes to.
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Out to another room. a week later he comes to. he sees that nurse and says
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A week later he comes to. he sees that nurse and says that's the nurse who knows
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He sees that nurse and says that's the nurse who knows where my lost dentures are.
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That's the nurse who knows where my lost dentures are. [laughter]
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Said he was up above
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Said he was up above watching everything and that
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Watching everything and that nurse took my dentures
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Nurse took my dentures and put them in
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And put them in the lower drawer of the cart
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The lower drawer of the cart with all the bottles on it.
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With all the bottles on it. and that's common.
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John: there are many,
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John: there are many, many stories like that
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John: there are many, many stories like that that have convinced people,
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Many stories like that that have convinced people, okay, we really do live on.
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That have convinced people, okay, we really do live on. now, what happens is
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Okay, we really do live on. now, what happens is what i'm trying to show.
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Now, what happens is what i'm trying to show. the beauty of heaven
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What i'm trying to show. the beauty of heaven that christians talk about,
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The beauty of heaven that christians talk about, and that's what is
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That christians talk about, and that's what is so encouraging is more
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And that's what is so encouraging is more and more christians were
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So encouraging is more and more christians were having these experiences
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And more christians were having these experiences and talking about them.
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Having these experiences and talking about them. early on they didn't because
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And talking about them. early on they didn't because new age researchers took it
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Early on they didn't because new age researchers took it and interpreted what was
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New age researchers took it and interpreted what was being said in more of
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And interpreted what was being said in more of a new age slant.
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Being said in more of a new age slant. for instance, all
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A new age slant. for instance, all the experiences were good.
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For instance, all the experiences were good. well, that's because
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The experiences were good. well, that's because only people who heard of
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Well, that's because only people who heard of these good experiences
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Only people who heard of these good experiences and had good experiences
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These good experiences and had good experiences came forward.
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And had good experiences came forward. but since we found out
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Came forward. but since we found out no, that's not true,
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But since we found out no, that's not true, people don't often
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No, that's not true, people don't often come forward but
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People don't often come forward but 23% of those who do
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Come forward but 23% of those who do come forward to share this,
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23% of those who do come forward to share this, they don't come forward
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Come forward to share this, they don't come forward because it's so sacred
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They don't come forward because it's so sacred to them, they don't want
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Because it's so sacred to them, they don't want to be made fun of.
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To them, they don't want to be made fun of. 23 percent come forward
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To be made fun of. 23 percent come forward saying they had
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23 percent come forward saying they had hellish experiences.
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Saying they had hellish experiences. so they're not all good.
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Hellish experiences. so they're not all good. james: horrific.
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So they're not all good. james: horrific. more horrific than
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James: horrific. more horrific than they might have imagined?
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More horrific than they might have imagined? john: and i interview
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They might have imagined? john: and i interview a tenured college professor
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John: and i interview a tenured college professor who was an atheist
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A tenured college professor who was an atheist who dies in paris -
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Who was an atheist who dies in paris - duodenum ruptures.
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Who dies in paris - duodenum ruptures. he can't get surgery. he dies.
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Duodenum ruptures. he can't get surgery. he dies. this is really important
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He can't get surgery. he dies. this is really important because i've discovered
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This is really important because i've discovered some interpretive keys
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Because i've discovered some interpretive keys to these stories.
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Some interpretive keys to these stories. because if you just go read
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To these stories. because if you just go read near-death experience stories
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Because if you just go read near-death experience stories you could get really confused.
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Near-death experience stories you could get really confused. some things about how does
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You could get really confused. some things about how does that relate to the bible?
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Some things about how does that relate to the bible? but they're some interpretive
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That relate to the bible? but they're some interpretive keys and one of them is
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But they're some interpretive keys and one of them is that people often say
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Keys and one of them is that people often say there was a border
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That people often say there was a border or a boundary they knew
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There was a border or a boundary they knew they couldn't cross
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Or a boundary they knew they couldn't cross on the other side or
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They couldn't cross on the other side or they couldn't come back.
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On the other side or they couldn't come back. so this is not
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They couldn't come back. so this is not full biological death.
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So this is not full biological death. it's a peek in, but there is
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Full biological death. it's a peek in, but there is a border or a boundary
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It's a peek in, but there is a border or a boundary you can't cross.
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A border or a boundary you can't cross. so we can't tell from
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You can't cross. so we can't tell from near-death experiences
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So we can't tell from near-death experiences what eternity is like.
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Near-death experiences what eternity is like. we can tell that from
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What eternity is like. we can tell that from what jesus and the prophets
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We can tell that from what jesus and the prophets told us,
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What jesus and the prophets told us, because god revealed it.
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Told us, because god revealed it. so that's the bigger
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Because god revealed it. so that's the bigger framework we've got
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So that's the bigger framework we've got to fit these into.
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Framework we've got to fit these into. but howard storm,
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To fit these into. but howard storm, this professor, dies.
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But howard storm, this professor, dies. he thought it was going
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This professor, dies. he thought it was going to be lights out, but
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He thought it was going to be lights out, but he's more alive than
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Like 50 senses not just five.
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Like 50 senses not just five. and another commonality
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And another commonality is that people often have
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Is that people often have friends and relatives who
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Friends and relatives who have passed on before them
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It is this joyous reunion.
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It is this joyous reunion. it's like this incredible,
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It is this joyous reunion. it's like this incredible, just bursting with joy -
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It's like this incredible, just bursting with joy - we're ourselves.
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Just bursting with joy - we're ourselves. we recognize each other.
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We're ourselves. we recognize each other. we still know our memories.
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We recognize each other. we still know our memories. we still - it's just life
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We still know our memories. we still - it's just life continued but much,
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We still - it's just life continued but much, much better because
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Continued but much, much better because communication is purer.
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Much better because communication is purer. we know each other
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Communication is purer. we know each other thought to thought.
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We know each other thought to thought. james: then, when they come
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Thought to thought. james: then, when they come back are they expressing
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James: then, when they come back are they expressing disappointment, after where
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Back are they expressing disappointment, after where they were and -- ?
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Disappointment, after where they were and -- ? john: they don't want
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They were and -- ? john: they don't want to be here.
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John: they don't want to be here. many of them are depressed.
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To be here. many of them are depressed. james: they thought they had
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Many of them are depressed. james: they thought they had really gotten to the ultimate?
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James: they thought they had really gotten to the ultimate? john: yeah. but this
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Really gotten to the ultimate? john: yeah. but this atheist college professor,
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John: yeah. but this atheist college professor, initially it was all good,
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Atheist college professor, initially it was all good, and he even had a group
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Initially it was all good, and he even had a group of people who were saying,
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And he even had a group of people who were saying, "come with us, howard."
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Of people who were saying, "come with us, howard." and he thought they were
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"come with us, howard." and he thought they were hospital staff.
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And he thought they were hospital staff. he didn't know he was dead.
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Hospital staff. he didn't know he was dead. he couldn't figure it out
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He didn't know he was dead. he couldn't figure it out because he felt alive.
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He couldn't figure it out because he felt alive. but they were saying,
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Because he felt alive. but they were saying, "come with us.
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But they were saying, "come with us. we're going to help you."
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"come with us. we're going to help you." but they deceived him
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We're going to help you." but they deceived him and led him into an outer
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But they deceived him and led him into an outer darkness and it was horrific.
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And led him into an outer darkness and it was horrific. when i interviewed him,
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Darkness and it was horrific. when i interviewed him, he couldn't tell me about it.
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When i interviewed him, he couldn't tell me about it. he said, "they did such
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He couldn't tell me about it. he said, "they did such horrific things that
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He said, "they did such horrific things that i've been trying
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Horrific things that i've been trying to block it out."
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I've been trying to block it out." because he had not crossed
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To block it out." because he had not crossed that boundary i think he still
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Because he had not crossed that boundary i think he still could call out to god.
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That boundary i think he still could call out to god. he remembered when
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Could call out to god. he remembered when a neighbor brought him
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He remembered when a neighbor brought him to sunday school as a kid
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A neighbor brought him to sunday school as a kid and a song came to his mind,
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To sunday school as a kid and a song came to his mind, "jesus loves me."
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And a song came to his mind, "jesus loves me." that's all he could remember.
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"jesus loves me." that's all he could remember. and he wanted that to be true
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That's all he could remember. and he wanted that to be true like nothing else.
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And he wanted that to be true like nothing else. and he cries out,
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Like nothing else. and he cries out, "jesus, save me!"
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And he cries out, "jesus, save me!" and he says into this
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"jesus, save me!" and he says into this utter blackness comes
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And he says into this utter blackness comes this brilliant man of light,
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Utter blackness comes this brilliant man of light, brighter than the sun
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This brilliant man of light, brighter than the sun but not hard to look at,
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Brighter than the sun but not hard to look at, unconditional love,
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But not hard to look at, unconditional love, wraps him up, holds him
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Unconditional love, wraps him up, holds him to his chest.
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Wraps him up, holds him to his chest. he is healed.
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To his chest. he is healed. takes him out of there
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He is healed. takes him out of there and there he gets
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Takes him out of there and there he gets a life review.
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And there he gets a life review. so he relives his life
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A life review. so he relives his life in the presence of jesus
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So he relives his life in the presence of jesus and the angels and this
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In the presence of jesus and the angels and this is another commonality,
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And the angels and this is another commonality, by the way.
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Is another commonality, by the way. so another commonality
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By the way. so another commonality is that people all around
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So another commonality is that people all around the globe experience
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Is that people all around the globe experience this brilliant god of light
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The globe experience this brilliant god of light who is unconditional love.
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This brilliant god of light who is unconditional love. he knows them, he's personal,
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Who is unconditional love. he knows them, he's personal, he knows their every thought
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He knows them, he's personal, he knows their every thought and motive.
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He knows their every thought and motive. and in his present state,
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And motive. and in his present state, review their lives.
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And in his present state, review their lives. they re-experience
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Review their lives. they re-experience their lives.
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They re-experience their lives. james: all this is happening
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Their lives. james: all this is happening in rapid time.
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Is not the same.
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Is not the same. you experience past,
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You experience past, present, and future
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Present, and future in a different way.
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In a different way. they say, "i don't know if
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They say, "i don't know if it was an instant or i relived
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Which sounds an awful lot
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Which sounds an awful lot like second peter 3,
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Which sounds an awful lot like second peter 3, "to the lord a day is like
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Like second peter 3, "to the lord a day is like a thousand years, and
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"to the lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like
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A thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day." right?
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A thousand years is like a day." right? so you start to see all
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A day." right? so you start to see all these commonalities but
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So you start to see all these commonalities but all across the globe
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These commonalities but all across the globe they don't describe the god
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All across the globe they don't describe the god of their culture,
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They don't describe the god of their culture, they describe the god of
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Of their culture, they describe the god of the bible, the god who said
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They describe the god of the bible, the god who said i am the light of the world.
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The bible, the god who said i am the light of the world. james: that's another
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I am the light of the world. james: that's another consistency?
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Unconditional love, who
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Unconditional love, who knows them by name personally
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Knows them by name personally and they never want to leave
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And they never want to leave his presence.
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His presence. they never want to leave
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They never want to leave his presence.
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Because what's confused
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Because what's confused christians is why doesn't
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Because what's confused christians is why doesn't jesus tell them i'm jesus?
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Christians is why doesn't jesus tell them i'm jesus? because those who know jesus,
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Jesus tell them i'm jesus? because those who know jesus, know he's jesus.
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Because those who know jesus, know he's jesus. they absolutely know it.
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Know he's jesus. they absolutely know it. but jesus said, "my sheep
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They absolutely know it. but jesus said, "my sheep know my voice; they hear me
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But jesus said, "my sheep know my voice; they hear me and they follow me." right?
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Know my voice; they hear me and they follow me." right? sometimes we think, well,
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And they follow me." right? sometimes we think, well, why doesn't god just
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Sometimes we think, well, why doesn't god just tell them, "i'm jesus"?
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Why doesn't god just tell them, "i'm jesus"? as if he couldn't do that now
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Tell them, "i'm jesus"? as if he couldn't do that now if he wanted to.
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As if he couldn't do that now if he wanted to. he's not limited. right?
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If he wanted to. he's not limited. right? so, he's doing
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He's not limited. right? so, he's doing these things on purpose.
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So, he's doing these things on purpose. what they do come back
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These things on purpose. what they do come back consistently knowing
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What they do come back consistently knowing is that god is love and what
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Consistently knowing is that god is love and what he shows in their life review
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Is that god is love and what he shows in their life review is the most important thing
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He shows in their life review is the most important thing is how they treated all the
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Is the most important thing is how they treated all the people they interacted with
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Is how they treated all the people they interacted with and how love is
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People they interacted with and how love is what's most important
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And how love is what's most important and how every little action,
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What's most important and how every little action, for good or bad,
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And how every little action, for good or bad, had a ripple effect
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For good or bad, had a ripple effect and mattered to him.
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Had a ripple effect and mattered to him. so, love god and love people.
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And mattered to him. so, love god and love people. that's what
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So, love god and love people. that's what they come back with.
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That's what they come back with. james: amazing. the ultimate,
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The two great commandments.
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The two great commandments. betty, you've been
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The two great commandments. betty, you've been studying that.
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Betty, you've been studying that. betty: he mentioned earlier
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About some of the stories
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About some of the stories - every story it seems like
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About some of the stories - every story it seems like they could not describe
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- every story it seems like they could not describe enough how beautiful,
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They could not describe enough how beautiful, extraordinary everything was.
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Enough how beautiful, extraordinary everything was. like you said, it was
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Extraordinary everything was. like you said, it was like depth after depth.
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Like you said, it was like depth after depth. everything was alive.
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Like depth after depth. everything was alive. john: and not unlike earth,
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Everything was alive. john: and not unlike earth, and i interview people
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John: and not unlike earth, and i interview people who like doctors
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And i interview people who like doctors and twa airline pilots
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Who like doctors and twa airline pilots and like this college
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And twa airline pilots and like this college professor who then became
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And like this college professor who then became a pastor.
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Professor who then became a pastor. he left his tenured
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A pastor. he left his tenured college professorship
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He left his tenured college professorship to become a christian pastor,
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College professorship to become a christian pastor, literally a damascus road
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To become a christian pastor, literally a damascus road experience.
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Literally a damascus road experience. but these people who don't
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Experience. but these people who don't need to make up crazy stories
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But these people who don't need to make up crazy stories to go sell books
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Need to make up crazy stories to go sell books and make money,
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To go sell books and make money, and in fact it hurts
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And make money, and in fact it hurts their careers.
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And in fact it hurts their careers. yet they are saying
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Their careers. yet they are saying the same thing.
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Yet they are saying the same thing. james: well, you know,
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The same thing. james: well, you know, this is not the place
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James: well, you know, this is not the place anybody wants to miss.
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This is not the place anybody wants to miss. i've met jesus,
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Anybody wants to miss. i've met jesus, and he's believable
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I've met jesus, and he's believable and i've experienced enough
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And he's believable and i've experienced enough of the presence of heaven
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And i've experienced enough of the presence of heaven as he presents it
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Of the presence of heaven as he presents it in my life to be able to see.
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As he presents it in my life to be able to see. you can't embellish it
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In my life to be able to see. you can't embellish it beyond reality, the heaven
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You can't embellish it beyond reality, the heaven is beyond embellishment.
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Beyond reality, the heaven is beyond embellishment. it's beyond exaggeration.
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Is beyond embellishment. it's beyond exaggeration. it's beyond imagination.
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It's beyond exaggeration. it's beyond imagination. it's real and he offers it,
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It's beyond imagination. it's real and he offers it, he offers a great peace
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It's real and he offers it, he offers a great peace that passes understanding now,
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He offers a great peace that passes understanding now, and comfort.
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That passes understanding now, and comfort. but eternity, you just
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And comfort. but eternity, you just don't want to miss it.
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But eternity, you just don't want to miss it. john: it's the hope we have.
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Don't want to miss it. john: it's the hope we have. you know, god actually
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John: it's the hope we have. you know, god actually commands us to imagine heaven.
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You know, god actually commands us to imagine heaven. colossians 3:1 says: set
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Commands us to imagine heaven. colossians 3:1 says: set your minds on things above,
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Colossians 3:1 says: set your minds on things above, not on things of the earth.
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Your minds on things above, not on things of the earth. set your hearts where
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Not on things of the earth. set your hearts where christ is because your life
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Set your hearts where christ is because your life is hidden there.
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Christ is because your life is hidden there. james: and it's beyond
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Is hidden there. james: and it's beyond and greater than anything
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James: and it's beyond and greater than anything we could even comprehend.
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And greater than anything we could even comprehend. john: it's going to be greater
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We could even comprehend. john: it's going to be greater than we really can -
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John: it's going to be greater than we really can - betty: and i think if we can
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Than we really can - betty: and i think if we can do that, grasp a little bit
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Betty: and i think if we can do that, grasp a little bit of heaven that god wants us
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Do that, grasp a little bit of heaven that god wants us to see, we would live
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Of heaven that god wants us to see, we would live differently here.
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To see, we would live differently here. john: it changes how you live.
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Differently here. john: it changes how you live. and you know what,
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John: it changes how you live. and you know what, quite honestly?
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And you know what, quite honestly? that's why i wrote this.
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Quite honestly? that's why i wrote this. i wrote it for two reasons.
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That's why i wrote this. i wrote it for two reasons. i wrote it for skeptics
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They'll see that okay,
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They'll see that okay, this is across the globe.
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This is across the globe. this is all cultures,
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This is all cultures, and yet they are describing
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And yet they are describing the god of the bible.
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The god of the bible. and i show very clearly
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But secondly, for christians,
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But secondly, for christians, because i find so many
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But secondly, for christians, because i find so many christians who live
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Because i find so many christians who live for retirement because
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Christians who live for retirement because they can imagine it.
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For retirement because they can imagine it. they can imagine golfing,
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They can imagine it. they can imagine golfing, and being with family
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They can imagine golfing, and being with family and friends and enjoying life.
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And being with family and friends and enjoying life. but they haven't realized
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And friends and enjoying life. but they haven't realized how great the ultimate
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But they haven't realized how great the ultimate retirement is going to be
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How great the ultimate retirement is going to be and we need to live for it
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Retirement is going to be and we need to live for it and save for it
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And we need to live for it and save for it and sacrifice for it.
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And save for it and sacrifice for it. james: and i love sharing life
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And sacrifice for it. james: and i love sharing life so i wouldn't ever want
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James: and i love sharing life so i wouldn't ever want to retire from that.
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So i wouldn't ever want to retire from that. but i know i have
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To retire from that. but i know i have eternal life.
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But i know i have eternal life. do you appreciate
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Eternal life. do you appreciate john taking the time
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Do you appreciate john taking the time to research and to investigate
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John taking the time to research and to investigate and talk to all these people?
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To research and to investigate and talk to all these people? you can get the book
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And talk to all these people? you can get the book in the bookstore.
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You can get the book in the bookstore. john, we have led, literally,
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In the bookstore. john, we have led, literally, i think, by showing people
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John, we have led, literally, i think, by showing people where they can be the miracle
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I think, by showing people where they can be the miracle people longed for.
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Where they can be the miracle people longed for. every one of you
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People longed for. every one of you that communicate with us,
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Every one of you that communicate with us, whether we see you in person
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That communicate with us, whether we see you in person or you communicate
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Whether we see you in person or you communicate through email or in a note,
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Or you communicate through email or in a note, you say, james and betty,
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Through email or in a note, you say, james and betty, thank you for letting us
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You say, james and betty, thank you for letting us be the miracle
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You're going to want to be
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You're going to want to be a miracle right here,
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A miracle right here, i want you to watch.
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I want you to watch. this is where you can download
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This is where you can download a whole lot of heaven
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A whole lot of heaven right here in somebody's life
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Right here in somebody's life right now.
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Announcer: every day thousands of children are born with or
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Distant, but the solution is not unknown.
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Come to cure, and the first thing that we do is actually
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Invite you in, give you a hug, say that we love you, and we do
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This because, actually, christ asks us to do this.
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James: i hope i can adequately express how much your love means to these
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Adequately express how much your love means to these -- you're saving their lives
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Your love means to these -- you're saving their lives and their families.
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-- you're saving their lives and their families. thank you so much,
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And their families. thank you so much, viewers of █ life today ,
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Thank you so much, viewers of █ life today , sharing ██ life today █ .
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Viewers of █ life today , sharing ██ life today █ . imagine heaven █ .
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Sharing ██ life today █ . imagine heaven █ . when you have somebody there
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Imagine heaven █ . when you have somebody there and now a lot of people
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When you have somebody there and now a lot of people for us, it becomes
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And now a lot of people for us, it becomes very special.
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For us, it becomes very special. we're not going to miss it.
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Very special. we're not going to miss it. i think when you share this,
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We're not going to miss it. i think when you share this, and see it, you're going
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I think when you share this, and see it, you're going to help a lot of other
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And see it, you're going to help a lot of other people not miss it.
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To help a lot of other people not miss it. would you thank john
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People not miss it. would you thank john for sharing this with us?
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Would you thank john for sharing this with us? john, i thank you
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For sharing this with us? john, i thank you for the effort, buddy.
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John, i thank you for the effort, buddy. thank you, bless gateway church
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For the effort, buddy. thank you, bless gateway church there in the austin area.
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Thank you, bless gateway church there in the austin area. thank you so much for
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There in the austin area. thank you so much for watching the program.
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Thank you so much for watching the program. thank you for being an answer
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Watching the program. thank you for being an answer to somebody's prayer!
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Jonathan pokluda: i spent the last three years studying
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Spiritual warfare, and i wanna bring your attention
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To something.
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I believe that the holy spirit, through the word of god, is
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Giving us a clue as to how to be protected
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From spiritual attacks.
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In ephesians chapter 6, this is the chapter on spiritual
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Warfare, i think paul's writing this chapter in prison in rome,
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Most likely chained to a roman soldier.
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At least he sees them walk by, and he begins to describe an
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Authentic christian, and he does so by using the roman soldier's
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Armor as a--as metaphors or teaching tools to show us what
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It looks like to be dressed and ready for battle as a christian.
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And so, he says things like, "you're going to want to put on
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The belt of truth.
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You're gonna want to put on the breastplate of righteousness and
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Protect your heart.
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You're gonna wanna have your feet fitted with the readiness
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Of the gospel.
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You're going to want to have on the helmet of salvation."
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And then he says, "and pick up or take up the shield of faith,
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Which extinguishes the fiery darts of the enemy," and then he
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Says, "and also the sword of the spirit, which is the word of
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God, praying at all times."
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Now, i wanna go back to the shield of faith, because he says
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That the shield of faith is what extinguishes the fiery darts
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Of the enemy.
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This is what protects us from satan's attacks, which this is
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Paul writing this letter to the church in ephesus, and if it was
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Just paul, that would be interesting.
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But peter says something similar.
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He says in 1 peter chapter 5, "your enemy the devil prowls
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Around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.
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Resist him, standing firm in the faith."
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So, there's this idea that faith is our protection.
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Again, now if it was just paul and peter, that would be
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Noteworthy or notable, but there's also jesus.
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In luke chapter 22, jesus says to peter, "satan has asked me to
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Sift you all like wheat."
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Now, if i was peter, i'd be like, "jesus, why don't you just
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Tell him no?
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Like, just say no.
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Say he can't, don't let him do it."
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But he doesn't.
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He says, jesus says to peter, "so i will pray for you, that
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Your faith won't fail."
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Now, this is paul saying faith is key to protecting us from the
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Enemy's fiery darts, this is peter saying that faith is key
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To protecting us from the enemy who prowls around like a roaring
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Lion, and now you have jesus himself saying that in
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Satan's attacks, "i'm going to pray for you that your faith
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Won't fail," because jesus and paul and peter understand that
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Our belief in god, our trust in the father is the path to
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Victory in spiritual attacks.
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He wants us, the enemy wants us to put down our shield, and
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He'll do that through heartbreak, breakups,
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Discouragement, a sick child or a sick parent or a sick loved
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One, or maybe illness upon yourself, maybe a layoff or a
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Hard day at work or a car accident, or any circumstances
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Of life that would get you to be discouraged and lower that
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Shield so that the enemy can begin to shoot those fiery
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Darts at you.
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When you're discouraged, he can deceive you, he can push you
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Towards deconstruction.
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He wants you to put down your faith so that you're open and
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Vulnerable to his attacks.
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Don't do it.
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Resist him, and he will flee from you.
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Continue to trust in the lord with all your heart and lean not
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On your own understanding, but in all your ways acknowledge him
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And he will make your path straight.
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And so, in times of attack, i want you to lean in to your
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Faith, your belief in god, and he will protect you.
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John Burke: Beyond Death | Life Today

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