Matt Chandler: Becoming Like Jesus | Life Today

April 21, 2026 | 27:29

The author and pastor maps out a path to holiness that embraces life’s ups and downs.

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  • Matt chandler: it has left the christian imagination in the
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  • West that suffering is normal, and what feels like a loss to us
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  • Might actually be a win.
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  • I describe sanctification not as up and to the right but think of
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  • A coil laid horizontally, where every high and low is actually
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  • Still moving you towards something, and that something is
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  • To become like jesus.
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  • Announcer: next.
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  • Randy robison: hey, welcome to "life today."
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  • We're excited that you're here.
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  • I'm randy robinson, this is blynda lane.
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  • Blynda lane: happy to be here.
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  • Randy: we are here with a dynamic pastor, author, and kind
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  • Of a great guy to talk to.
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  • His name is matt chandler, and he has a brand-new book out.
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  • It's called "becoming like jesus," yeah, okay, and there's
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  • A word on there, blynda, i'm curious, holiness, the everyday,
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  • What does it say?
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  • The everyday journey to living a life of holiness.
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  • What do you think of when i say the word holiness?
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  • Because i know there's a lot of different things going in
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  • People's minds right now.
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  • Blynda: set apartness.
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  • Randy: set apart, that's good.
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  • I like that one, you're getting the root words here.
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  • Blynda: i like that.
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  • Randy: well, i wanna find out exactly what that means.
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  • Blynda: what does matt say about it though?
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  • Randy: matt, welcome to "life today."
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  • Matt: oh, man, it's good to be back.
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  • It feels like moments ago we were here.
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  • Randy: always good to see you.
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  • Matt: i love that.
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  • Randy: and this is one of those hot words.
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  • I think it means different things to different people.
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  • What does it mean to you?
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  • Matt: well, i think it doesn't matter what it means to
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  • Me, right?
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  • I think it matters how the scriptures define it, and
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  • Holiness is certainly being set apart, and so god calls us to be
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  • A holy people, but it's also a word that scares the heck out
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  • Of everybody.
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  • Blynda: take us through on becoming like jesus.
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  • You're focusing a lot on the matthew 5, the beatitudes.
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  • Take us through kind of the heart behind the book and what
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  • You're--the message you're wanting to give.
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  • Matt: well, it's a book that i would argue is probably 23 years
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  • In the making.
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  • I don't think a young man should write this book.
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  • I've pastored the same church for 23 years, i've ministered in
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  • The same location to the same people, and i wanted to write an
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  • Honest book about sanctification.
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  • I just think most people think that sanctification is up and to
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  • The right, and then what happens is a significant disorientation
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  • When they realize that's not the way this is going to work, and
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  • So the way--
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  • Blynda: and all the sudden god is now disappointed in some way.
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  • Matt: that's right, and if you'll pay attention to a lot
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  • Of, not all of, but a lot of the deconstructionists, their
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  • Stories sound like that.
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  • They grew up in church, and they were following jesus, and then
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  • Their mom got sick, or then they lost their job, or then their
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  • Friend was, and it's like it has left the christian imagination
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  • In the west that suffering is normal and what feels like a
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  • Loss to us might actually be a win.
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  • I describe sanctification not as up and to the right, but think
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  • Of a coil laid horizontally, where every high and low is
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  • Actually still moving you towards something, and that
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  • Something is to become like jesus.
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  • So, if you think of a horizontal coil moving forward, okay, then
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  • What is he doing?
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  • What is he up to?
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  • Well, i embed the book in the beatitudes of matthew 5, and i'm
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  • Making the argument jesus didn't come to find these people, he
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  • Came to make them, and so he's not looking for, like, to
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  • Develop these eight character attributes in you, but rather
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  • Through these eight character formation things, over and over
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  • Again, he forms you more and more and more into the image
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  • Of jesus.
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  • And so that's kind of the framework.
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  • Randy: so, how--contrast those two in a way that i can
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  • Grasp, right?
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  • Because i've always felt like, you know, if i wanted to be like
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  • Jesus, i just need to act more this way, right?
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  • That's kind of the--
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  • Matt: so, you can do that, but you're not gonna be like jesus,
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  • Because jesus, right?
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  • Is full of the holy spirit, connected to the father, and so
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  • If you're watching jesus live a life of discipline, the one that
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  • Most frequently is in the scriptures is withdrawing to be
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  • With the lord, right?
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  • Now, you're not seeing the other ones come to the forefront, but
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  • If i ask you to study jesus's life, and i ask you to--which
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  • Part of this is requiring an alarm clock, which part of this
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  • Is requiring, you're gonna say he's up early, he's up all night
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  • Doing what?
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  • Connecting to the presence of god.
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  • So, transformation happens in the presence of god so that the
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  • Banner over our life should be i want to orient my life around
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  • The presence of jesus.
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  • How do i keep moving towards him?
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  • How do i shrink any distance between me and the presence
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  • Of jesus?
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  • So if we think through the beatitudes, there's some--like,
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  • Some theologians would say they actually work in succession,
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  • That blessed are the poor in spirit, there's your salvation.
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  • Nobody comes into the kingdom without being poor in spirit,
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  • They're not wrong, and then it kind of moves through a
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  • Successive kind of flow.
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  • I think you can make that argument once.
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  • Like, the first time you go through it is probably a
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  • Succession of those things, but i don't think you could say once
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  • You've been persecuted for righteousness' sake,
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  • You're done.
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  • I've been in, you know, following jesus now 33, 34
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  • Years, do you know how many times i've had to learn blessed
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  • Are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of god?
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  • Like, over and over and over again, but every time it's a
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  • Different experience.
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  • There's something different about it.
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  • And so when i'm being taught life circumstances from the hand
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  • Of god or my own stupidity, i get invited into the presence of
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  • God to avail my heart to him and let the work of formation
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  • Take place.
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  • The way it's working now for most people is, oh, man, i made
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  • This mistake, i was judge instead of the merciful one, let
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  • Me repent of that and just move on, but what we wanna be able to
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  • Do is just go i want this moment to do its work in me.
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  • I want this moment to form me.
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  • That's what god's committed to.
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  • He who began the good work in you will be faithful to carry it
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  • Unto completion.
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  • When does that end?
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  • At the coming of the lord.
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  • But in this space between, this already but not yet, every high,
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  • Every low, forming, shaping, and if you don't see it that way, i
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  • Think you'll lose heart, and i think you'll create distance
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  • From god.
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  • Blynda: in this in between you speak about, i feel like--i
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  • Think you've even referred to it before, we like things done more
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  • Quickly, and we're in a long journey, it's like a marathon,
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  • Not a sprint, and you even make the analogy that we we're a
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  • Microwave society but a crock pot is our spiritual walk.
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  • How do you encourage the believer who in this coil you're
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  • Talking about, that's a long journey.
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  • You said you've experienced that poor in spirit over and over
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  • And over.
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  • It's hard, especially the older you get to feel like, man, am i
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  • Ever going to arrive?
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  • Matt: yeah, here's what i think's required, deep work over
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  • Time in community.
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  • So if you have that grid, now you know what you signed up for.
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  • So deep work, the sheer volume of surface-level triviality that
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  • Most christians walk in, like never get down to the heart, all
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  • Above the line, strength and might, not heart and soul, like
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  • Vulnerability, confession, deep work, and then the
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  • Acknowledgement that i am not on some quick journey, i'm on a
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  • Long journey home, and jesus knew what he was buying on
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  • The cross.
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  • Like, jesus knew what he was buying on the cross.
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  • The reason it's so public and so graphic is because of me, and
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  • Jesus knew what he was buying on the cross, and he's not asking
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  • For a mulligan.
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  • And so he is as committed to me in that journey as he's ever
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  • Been since the foundation of the earth was laid, if you want to
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  • Believe the apostle paul in ephesians.
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  • And so deep work over time, one degree of glory to the next, but
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  • One degree over two decades is a great movement, great movement.
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  • And then deep work over time in community.
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  • You cannot become like jesus without the effects that come
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  • From community that's doing that deep work over time with you.
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  • If you have those three things there, and you'll lean into
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  • Those three things, because they're gonna be times that the
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  • Deep work is a little painful, and it'd be a lot easier just to
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  • Kind of just leave buried what's buried and move forward
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  • In might.
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  • There'll be time that the slowness of what christ is
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  • Accomplishing in us feels like there's a better fix somewhere
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  • Else, and you'll do spiritual bypass.
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  • You know, you'll go off with some secondary theological
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  • Thing, and you'll baptize it in the holy spirit, and it's called
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  • Spiritual bypass.
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  • Or people will bother you, and you'll change churches eight
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  • Times, and you'll, you know, you'll be spring loaded
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  • With offense.
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  • It's called a belonging deficit, which is ironic.
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  • The reason people run all the time is they have belonging
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  • Deficits, and once you have a belonging deficit, you read
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  • Rejection in a room that it's not.
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  • Like, i had a young woman share with me that one of the reasons
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  • She doesn't like going to the church she goes to, she's not a
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  • Member of ours, is because when she's there everybody's judging
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  • Her, and i was like, well, tell me more, say more about how that
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  • Plays out.
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  • And then she told this story, i mean this is--i'm gonna rub
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  • My head.
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  • She was like, well, i walked in, and i went up, my husband
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  • Doesn't go, so he wasn't with me, and everybody's asking me
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  • About my marriage, like judging me for my husband not
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  • Being there.
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  • I'm like, or they know you've been married in a newish
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  • Marriage, and they're genuinely curi--but you see what a
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  • Belonging deficit does?
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  • It makes her read offense where there's none.
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  • It's just people trying to connect with her, and she's not
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  • Connecting because she has a belonging deficit to begin with.
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  • But if you'll commit, and you'll dive in with people for the long
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  • Haul, man, the lord uses that in deep ways.
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  • He's used it in my own life.
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  • I mean, there--i don't even-- i'm not supposed to say this,
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  • There are people in my church i don't like, and what the lord's
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  • Taught me over time is that most frequently what i don't like in
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  • Them is actually something in me, and so when i go to the lord
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  • And begin to pray, he'll do work in me that changes how i
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  • See them.
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  • And if you look at the fifty-something one another's in
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  • Scripture, one of them is tolerate one another.
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  • Like, the lord just knew like there's gonna be brother, you
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  • Just gotta tolerate that brother.
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  • Like, you ain't gonna be best friends, you ain't going on
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  • Vacation, but you can tolerate him.
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  • And i've just learned people are so quick, they don't give
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  • Belonging a chance.
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  • They go to church, but they don't really belong to one, and
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  • I think the biblical call to become like jesus is to belong.
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  • Randy: here's the problem, and because i hear the same
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  • Thing too.
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  • People in church aren't perfect.
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  • Some of them don't even act like christians or act like
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  • Christians are supposed to.
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  • What do you say to the person who maybe have like genuine
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  • Observations, like these people don't, whatever?
  • 00:11:53.836 --> 00:11:57.072
  • Because a lot of them give up for some--i mean, the reason,
  • 00:11:57.072 --> 00:12:01.177
  • The particular reason might be valid, but your greater point
  • 00:12:01.177 --> 00:12:04.313
  • Is scripture.
  • 00:12:04.313 --> 00:12:06.615
  • What do you say to them?
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  • Matt: well, one, i would wanna make some distinctions.
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  • Like, if i'm sitting with them right now, we're having the--i
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  • Wanna talk about what you're seeing.
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  • I don't want you in some place that's destructive or abusive
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  • Or toxic.
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  • So if that's going on, get out.
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  • Yeah, i don't care what other good thing might be happening
  • 00:12:22.298 --> 00:12:25.301
  • There, abusive, toxic, destructive, not difficult,
  • 00:12:25.301 --> 00:12:29.104
  • Difficult stay, destructive go.
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  • And if that's what you're experiencing, i'm telling you to
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  • Get out.
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  • If you're just pointing at the normal hypocrisy of a human
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  • Being, i would tell you praise god you would feel welcome
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  • There right?
  • 00:12:45.621 --> 00:12:46.989
  • You're gonna feel welcome there.
  • 00:12:46.989 --> 00:12:48.324
  • Randy: there's room for one more.
  • 00:12:48.324 --> 00:12:49.692
  • Matt: that's right, like, if you're out there, and you
  • 00:12:49.692 --> 00:12:52.928
  • Haven't joined the community because you can't find a perfect
  • 00:12:52.928 --> 00:12:55.564
  • One, i would just say as soon as you showed up, you would ruin
  • 00:12:55.564 --> 00:12:58.033
  • The perfect one.
  • 00:12:58.033 --> 00:12:59.368
  • You better see yourself a little bit with a little bit more
  • 00:12:59.368 --> 00:13:01.937
  • Reality than maybe you are right now.
  • 00:13:01.937 --> 00:13:04.306
  • And so we're all, like who's batting 1,000 of us?
  • 00:13:04.306 --> 00:13:09.378
  • Man, i'm not.
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  • You come too close to me, you'll see the lord's still got--he's
  • 00:13:10.713 --> 00:13:13.349
  • Got some things he's gotta shave off this brother.
  • 00:13:13.349 --> 00:13:15.584
  • Randy: and you're the pastor.
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  • Matt: that's right, isn't that wild?
  • 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:18.287
  • And so like nobody, or even like biblically this is true,
  • 00:13:18.287 --> 00:13:21.924
  • Historically this is true.
  • 00:13:21.924 --> 00:13:23.292
  • Like, i often think of peter.
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  • So, you've got that acts 10 moment at cornelius's
  • 00:13:25.261 --> 00:13:27.763
  • House, what?
  • 00:13:27.763 --> 00:13:29.131
  • He's got the vision of the blanket, kill and eat.
  • 00:13:29.131 --> 00:13:31.567
  • Brother had that pork sandwich for the first time, you know,
  • 00:13:31.567 --> 00:13:34.303
  • Broke out in tongues, and then he's at cornelius's house, then
  • 00:13:34.303 --> 00:13:37.473
  • He's a part of, like even states it's illegal for me to do what
  • 00:13:37.473 --> 00:13:40.943
  • I'm about to do.
  • 00:13:40.943 --> 00:13:42.278
  • Then cornelius and his whole house converts to christianity.
  • 00:13:42.278 --> 00:13:45.614
  • Now we've got our gentiles moving, the kingdom of god fully
  • 00:13:45.614 --> 00:13:48.550
  • Breaking through.
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  • But paul has to rebuke him all these years later in galatia
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  • For what?
  • 00:13:54.957 --> 00:13:56.292
  • For being a racist.
  • 00:13:56.292 --> 00:13:57.660
  • How?
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  • He had a vision from god, an angel of the lord spoke to
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  • His face.
  • 00:14:01.063 --> 00:14:02.431
  • He was there when jesus was arrested, saw him crucified,
  • 00:14:02.431 --> 00:14:05.200
  • Touched his resurrected body, ate fish with the resurrected
  • 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.438
  • Jesus over a smoky fire, right?
  • 00:14:09.438 --> 00:14:12.308
  • And then is used by the spirit, not just at pentecost, but to
  • 00:14:12.308 --> 00:14:16.211
  • Usher in the gentiles.
  • 00:14:16.211 --> 00:14:17.746
  • And then, you know, decades later, same old racism rearing
  • 00:14:17.746 --> 00:14:21.517
  • Its head in galatia.
  • 00:14:21.517 --> 00:14:23.052
  • Paul had to rebuke him to his face.
  • 00:14:23.052 --> 00:14:24.887
  • Like, you're like, okay, great.
  • 00:14:24.887 --> 00:14:26.755
  • If god can be patient with that, he can be patient with me.
  • 00:14:26.755 --> 00:14:29.158
  • Randy: that's the progressive sanctification that you're
  • 00:14:29.158 --> 00:14:31.193
  • Talking about.
  • 00:14:31.193 --> 00:14:32.561
  • All right, so what hope does the average person, me, blynda, the
  • 00:14:32.561 --> 00:14:38.133
  • Viewer, have to become like jesus?
  • 00:14:38.133 --> 00:14:42.638
  • Matt: well, i think your holiness and you becoming like
  • 00:14:42.638 --> 00:14:46.375
  • Jesus is fully paid for and available.
  • 00:14:46.375 --> 00:14:49.478
  • I think it's fully--i'm not thinking your holiness.
  • 00:14:49.478 --> 00:14:54.583
  • Both your positional holiness before the lord and the
  • 00:14:54.583 --> 00:14:59.088
  • Manifestation of that holiness in your life, paid for fully by
  • 00:14:59.088 --> 00:15:03.359
  • The blood of jesus christ, paid for in full, past, present, and
  • 00:15:03.359 --> 00:15:07.062
  • Future, fully, freely, and forever, done, paid for.
  • 00:15:07.062 --> 00:15:11.133
  • Spirit sealed in you with the promise so that you now have the
  • 00:15:11.133 --> 00:15:14.837
  • Power to begin to live into.
  • 00:15:14.837 --> 00:15:17.172
  • You just need to be patient with yourselves and repent quickly
  • 00:15:17.172 --> 00:15:21.410
  • And lean into difficult seasons and suffering, begin to see them
  • 00:15:21.410 --> 00:15:25.381
  • As normative, because they are.
  • 00:15:25.381 --> 00:15:28.017
  • They are for men and women in the bible, they are for
  • 00:15:28.017 --> 00:15:30.486
  • Everybody else, and if we didn't live in a moment where we could
  • 00:15:30.486 --> 00:15:34.156
  • Project this curated image of ourselves, we would actually be
  • 00:15:34.156 --> 00:15:37.593
  • More encouraged by just how much suffering is going on all
  • 00:15:37.593 --> 00:15:40.596
  • Around us.
  • 00:15:40.596 --> 00:15:41.930
  • Like, i pastor a church, there's so much pain out there, but
  • 00:15:41.930 --> 00:15:46.602
  • Nobody's willing to really talk about it.
  • 00:15:46.602 --> 00:15:48.504
  • They cover it up, like i said, with a curated image of
  • 00:15:48.504 --> 00:15:52.508
  • Themselves on instagram or tiktok or facebook or wherever
  • 00:15:52.508 --> 00:15:55.577
  • It is, but the reality is the world's filled with a lot of
  • 00:15:55.577 --> 00:15:57.913
  • Pain, and most people are carrying pain from something
  • 00:15:57.913 --> 00:16:01.183
  • Behind them or terrified of something in the future that
  • 00:16:01.183 --> 00:16:04.186
  • They think's coming for them, and, man, if we could begin to
  • 00:16:04.186 --> 00:16:08.057
  • Do that deep work, what happened back here, right?
  • 00:16:08.057 --> 00:16:12.795
  • We could understand that it's gonna take time to unravel and
  • 00:16:12.795 --> 00:16:16.432
  • Renew me, and then i need to find people who want this as bad
  • 00:16:16.432 --> 00:16:21.370
  • As i want it, and then i'm saying yes to them, and i know
  • 00:16:21.370 --> 00:16:24.573
  • They're gonna bother me, and i know i'm gonna bother them,
  • 00:16:24.573 --> 00:16:26.442
  • There's gonna be something in the sparks of that that
  • 00:16:26.442 --> 00:16:29.244
  • Produces transformation.
  • 00:16:29.244 --> 00:16:30.813
  • So, i don't care who you are, i don't care if you don't know a
  • 00:16:30.813 --> 00:16:33.449
  • Theological term, or you don't know where to open in your
  • 00:16:33.449 --> 00:16:36.885
  • Bible, if you are a christian, your holiness has been paid for,
  • 00:16:36.885 --> 00:16:41.023
  • And i want you to walk in the victory of it, and i want you to
  • 00:16:41.023 --> 00:16:43.225
  • Walk in the joy of it, because holiness brings these pictures
  • 00:16:43.225 --> 00:16:46.528
  • Of like sullen ashen faces, but like holiness, you should be
  • 00:16:46.528 --> 00:16:50.966
  • Dripping with the oil of gladness, like dripping with the
  • 00:16:50.966 --> 00:16:54.603
  • Oil of gladness.
  • 00:16:54.603 --> 00:16:55.971
  • Randy: that's encouraging.
  • 00:16:55.971 --> 00:16:57.306
  • We just have to let him do what he came to do, which is to make
  • 00:16:57.306 --> 00:17:00.409
  • Us more like him.
  • 00:17:00.409 --> 00:17:01.743
  • Matt: yeah, move near the fire.
  • 00:17:01.743 --> 00:17:03.112
  • That's the way i would often-- if i was preaching it, it's not
  • 00:17:03.112 --> 00:17:04.847
  • The way i wrote on it.
  • 00:17:04.847 --> 00:17:06.348
  • The way i would preach it is like how far are you from
  • 00:17:06.348 --> 00:17:09.118
  • The furnace?
  • 00:17:09.118 --> 00:17:10.853
  • Like, the only thing that i'm telling you to do is to get
  • 00:17:10.853 --> 00:17:14.723
  • Close to the furnace.
  • 00:17:14.723 --> 00:17:16.258
  • And the closer you get to the furnace, the more the things
  • 00:17:16.258 --> 00:17:19.161
  • That you want to change will begin to change.
  • 00:17:19.161 --> 00:17:22.798
  • Like, you've been around recovery, you've been around
  • 00:17:22.798 --> 00:17:24.967
  • Things like that.
  • 00:17:24.967 --> 00:17:26.301
  • You know, an alcoholic who manages the behavior but hasn't
  • 00:17:26.301 --> 00:17:30.806
  • Been transformed is going to be miserable and in a fight the
  • 00:17:30.806 --> 00:17:33.342
  • Rest of their lives, but the former alcoholic sealed with the
  • 00:17:33.342 --> 00:17:38.514
  • Spirit, in love with jesus, intimately situated there, not
  • 00:17:38.514 --> 00:17:42.518
  • Only has the discipline of not having the drink, but has been
  • 00:17:42.518 --> 00:17:44.953
  • Given a new heart.
  • 00:17:44.953 --> 00:17:46.288
  • Randy: doesn't want it.
  • 00:17:46.288 --> 00:17:47.656
  • Matt: yeah, and that's the freedom, and this is jesus's
  • 00:17:47.656 --> 00:17:49.992
  • Beef with the pharisees.
  • 00:17:49.992 --> 00:17:51.960
  • This is why he says to 'em, "you have heard it said, but i
  • 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:54.596
  • Say," why?
  • 00:17:54.596 --> 00:17:55.931
  • Because he wants us, right?
  • 00:17:55.931 --> 00:17:58.467
  • Not just physical behavior.
  • 00:17:58.467 --> 00:18:00.169
  • We're not moralistic deists.
  • 00:18:00.169 --> 00:18:02.437
  • It's not what we believe.
  • 00:18:02.437 --> 00:18:04.239
  • The the thing that makes us unique is we're indwelt with the
  • 00:18:04.239 --> 00:18:08.977
  • Spirit of the triune creator god of the universe and that he
  • 00:18:08.977 --> 00:18:12.114
  • Loves us and is committed to transforming us over time.
  • 00:18:12.114 --> 00:18:15.417
  • Randy: that's great, that's great, and he's committed to
  • 00:18:15.417 --> 00:18:17.486
  • You, he's committed to you, to me, he's committed to you, and
  • 00:18:17.486 --> 00:18:21.924
  • If you want a little bit of just pushing you towards the furnace,
  • 00:18:21.924 --> 00:18:26.195
  • You can pick up "becoming like jesus."
  • 00:18:26.195 --> 00:18:28.664
  • In fact, i'd love to send it to you, and there's a way that we
  • 00:18:28.664 --> 00:18:32.668
  • Can do that.
  • 00:18:32.668 --> 00:18:34.036
  • It involves you kind of doing what jesus did, which is caring
  • 00:18:34.036 --> 00:18:37.439
  • For the poor.
  • 00:18:37.439 --> 00:18:38.774
  • Right now we feed about 350,000 children every day in the
  • 00:18:38.774 --> 00:18:43.579
  • Various mission feeding programs, but there are more.
  • 00:18:43.579 --> 00:18:49.985
  • It's hard to say, it hurts to say it, but if we don't respond,
  • 00:18:49.985 --> 00:18:55.023
  • If we don't maintain and in some places increase,
  • 00:18:55.023 --> 00:18:59.161
  • Those mothers will bury their children.
  • 00:18:59.161 --> 00:19:02.598
  • Blynda: i can't even, like, fathom how a mother--the biggest
  • 00:19:02.598 --> 00:19:06.635
  • Fear a mom has is that they would lose a child, and this--
  • 00:19:06.635 --> 00:19:09.271
  • These moms have experienced losing multiple children,
  • 00:19:09.271 --> 00:19:13.408
  • And it's so avoidable.
  • 00:19:13.408 --> 00:19:15.310
  • I think that's the thing that when i watch it i think oh my
  • 00:19:15.310 --> 00:19:18.380
  • Goodness, if we could just get there to help.
  • 00:19:18.380 --> 00:19:20.249
  • The urgency that is there, that if we can just help them, we can
  • 00:19:20.249 --> 00:19:24.620
  • Bring the aid that they need.
  • 00:19:24.620 --> 00:19:26.021
  • Randy: they've exhausted every ability they have in these
  • 00:19:26.021 --> 00:19:31.093
  • Situations where we go into it, and oftentimes it's drought a
  • 00:19:31.093 --> 00:19:35.697
  • Lot of times, you know?
  • 00:19:35.697 --> 00:19:37.065
  • It's just the weather has turned against them.
  • 00:19:37.065 --> 00:19:39.601
  • It's crops that have failed for various reasons.
  • 00:19:39.601 --> 00:19:42.604
  • They've worked hard to plant, and they expect that harvest.
  • 00:19:42.604 --> 00:19:46.275
  • They go--and it doesn't come.
  • 00:19:46.275 --> 00:19:48.176
  • And when they say if no help comes, we're afraid that we
  • 00:19:48.176 --> 00:19:51.613
  • Won't be here, we won't exist, that's the reality that they
  • 00:19:51.613 --> 00:19:55.651
  • Live in.
  • 00:19:55.651 --> 00:19:56.985
  • We're asking you today to come alongside of us and give them
  • 00:19:56.985 --> 00:20:01.256
  • Hope by giving them a simple bowl of food,
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  • And it breaks down like this.
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  • If you wanna help feed a child for the next several months,
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  • Desperation and poverty to give them a hope and a future.
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  • This has been--it's so good, and i'm so excited for this book
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  • To come out.
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  • [music]
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  • Joseph prince: that's what the power of right believing
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  • Is all about.
  • 00:23:01.503 --> 00:23:02.838
  • You know, it's about focusing on jesus and his obedience.
  • 00:23:02.838 --> 00:23:08.510
  • You know, scripture says in romans 5:19, "by one man's
  • 00:23:08.510 --> 00:23:11.613
  • Disobedience, many were made sinners."
  • 00:23:11.613 --> 00:23:14.916
  • So that's adam's sin.
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  • "by one man's obedience, many will be made righteous," okay?
  • 00:23:16.618 --> 00:23:21.156
  • So, sinners sin because they are sinners, okay?
  • 00:23:21.156 --> 00:23:26.895
  • We are not sinners because we sin.
  • 00:23:26.895 --> 00:23:29.998
  • We are sinners because adam sinned, all right?
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  • So, adam's sin made us sinners, therefore we sin.
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  • Now, by the same token--it sounds so unfair, doesn't it?
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  • But by the same token--this is the divine unfairness,
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  • All right?
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  • By one man's obedience, we are made righteous, okay?
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  • And when we believe that, it does not produce licentiousness.
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  • It produces right--i always say this, right believing produces
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  • Right living.
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  • How come it that sometimes, you know, we have more faith in what
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  • Adam has done than what jesus has done?
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  • For example, when we were sinners, we knew, we were
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  • Taught, we were we were preached to and all that that you cannot
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  • Save yourself by good works, all right?
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  • Only christ can save you.
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  • In other words, what the first adam did was so powerful that we
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  • Cannot undo it by our good works.
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  • No matter what good you do, you are still a sinner.
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  • You need to be born again.
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  • But now that we are saved and we are made righteous by that one
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  • Man's obedience, how come sometimes, all right, when we
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  • Sin or we fall, okay, they tell us that now you are unrighteous,
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  • You need to get right.
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  • In other words, i can undo what jesus did just in one day, by
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  • One act, whereas, when i was a sinner, i can't even undo what
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  • Adam did, you know?
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  • And we're not even talking about the much more of the book of
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  • Romans, the much more of what jesus has done.
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  • We are putting them both on the same ground, and we don't even
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  • Have enough respect and appreciation for what jesus has
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  • Done.
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  • And believing right will always produce right because the
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  • Essence of the gospel is the just shall live by faith.
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  • Or i can say it like this, the just shall live by right
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  • Believing.
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  • There's a lot of preaching on right living, right living, and
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  • We all want right living.
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  • But how to get there from here, all right?
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  • Right believing.
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  • We need to get right believing in our hearts and our thoughts,
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  • And one of the best ways is to know that as he is, so are we in
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  • This world, you know?
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  • And i've got people who are bad tempered and on addictions, and
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  • The book has a lot of testimonies of many from
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  • America, especially those who are--you guys are quite a mess
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  • Up.
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  • James robison: no greater truth ever spoken.
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  • Joseph: and the thing is that many of the testimonies are on
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  • Freedom from addictions: drugs, eating disorders, depression,
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  • And especially pornography, sexual sins.
  • 00:25:57.212 --> 00:26:01.850
  • I got a young man from new york who shared that, you know, he's
  • 00:26:01.850 --> 00:26:05.987
  • Trained in the martial arts, so he understands discipline.
  • 00:26:05.987 --> 00:26:09.391
  • But he has been hooked to pornography ever since he was
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  • 13, and now he's in his 20s.
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  • And he says that, "i used my discipline and willpower to
  • 00:26:14.229 --> 00:26:16.965
  • Overcome it, it got worse," all right?
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  • "but when i began to confess and believe that i am the
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  • Righteousness of god in christ," all right,
  • 00:26:22.504 --> 00:26:24.673
  • "'father, i thank you.
  • 00:26:24.673 --> 00:26:26.007
  • You have made me righteous in christ,' and even in the midst
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  • Of my sin, i would say that," all right, "i would confess it."
  • 00:26:28.009 --> 00:26:31.880
  • He says that "now," he wrote to me, "pastor prince, just let you
  • 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:35.383
  • Know that it's been more than a year or longer than that."
  • 00:26:35.383 --> 00:26:38.586
  • He says, "i've not watched pornography ever since.
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  • No desire to."
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  • Now, and he says he's a testimony to what grace can do.
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  • James: that's huge.
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