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Jack Graham - A Conversation with Frank Turek

June 28, 2026 | 27:29

Jack Graham - A Conversation with Frank Turek
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Power Point with Jack Graham | Jack Graham - A Conversation with Frank Turek | June 28, 2026
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  • There is no person that god cannot save.
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  • There is no promise that god will not keep.
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  • There is nothing that our god cannot do.
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  • Today on powerpoint, i'm sitting down with frank turek
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  • Alongside my friend jeremiah johnston for an incredible
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  • Conversation about faith, biblical evidences, and why
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  • Every christian needs to be ready to share the gospel and
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  • Engage the culture. frank has spent decades making the case
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  • For christ and the christian faith on college campuses on
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  • Debates and in some of the most hostile rooms you can imagine.
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  • I think i know what he shares is going to strengthen your
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  • Faith and equip you to share your faith, as well. so, let's
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  • Get into it right now.
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  • [jack graham] frank, how would you answer, you answered lots
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  • Of questions, the objection that some people have to
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  • Celebrating our country and pray that god would bless
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  • America.
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  • [frank turek] well, god created nations. in fact, god created
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  • Three institutions; government, family, and the church. and so,
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  • Every christian should be concerned about the nation in
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  • Which they live. and you actually said it just a few
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  • Minutes ago when you were up here that our ultimate king is
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  • Jesus and our ultimate allegiance is to jesus. it's
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  • Not to the country, but as long as the country is aligned with
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  • That, we should try and look out for the betterment of our
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  • Country. and i think it's very important that christians are
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  • Involved in one of the three institutions. we shouldn't be
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  • Two thirds of a christian. we should be involved in all three
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  • Institutions. and i often hear people say, even pastors will
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  • Say this, "i don't get involved in politics. i just preach the
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  • Gospel." to which i respond. i guess you don't think the
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  • Gospel's very important then.
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  • And they go, "what do you mean?" i say, "because politics
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  • Affects your ability to preach and live the gospel. if you
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  • Don't think so, go to some of the countries i've been to.
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  • I've been to iran. there's no first baptist church of tehran.
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  • I've been to saudi arabia. there's no calvary chapel of
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  • Mecca. i just got back from egypt not long ago. if you want
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  • To start prestonwood baptist church in egypt, you're going
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  • To have trouble because the government's going to resist
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  • That. so, if for no other reason, you ought to be engaged
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  • Politically is to protect your ability to preach
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  • And live the gospel.
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  • Secondly, as christians, we're called to love people. how do
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  • You do that politically? you carry out the function of
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  • Government, which according to romans 13 is to punish
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  • Wrongdoers to protect innocent people from evil. you need to
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  • Put laws in place that will protect citizens from evil. not
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  • That we'll allow evil and too often, our government in recent
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  • Years has allowed evil rather than preventing evil. so, if
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  • We're going to love people, we should put laws in place that
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  • Protect them from the abortionist, that protect them
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  • From the child mutilators, that protect them from sex
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  • Traffickers, that protect them from murderers and rapists. and
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  • If we don't do that, we're not loving our neighbor. if we
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  • Don't do these things, who else is going to do them?
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  • [jack graham] so true. how about that? okay. amen. let's
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  • Go home. no, that was worth be here just to hear that because
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  • You can get criticism in a church like ours. clearly, we
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  • Are biblically conservative, biblical, christ-centered
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  • Worldview church and we speak to the issues. i wouldn't call
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  • Us a political church. i would call us a culturally engaged
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  • Church. so, frank, how did you get started in this? because
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  • Were you raised in a christian home or family? were you raised
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  • To believe in jesus?
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  • [frank turek] i was brought up catholic because i'm from new
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  • Jersey and it's the law. look, you're either catholic,
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  • Skeptic, or jewish general, if you're from new jersey. i
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  • Always believed in god because i knew there had to be a first
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  • Cause, but i never knew who jesus was. i went to catholic
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  • High school, the whole deal. i went into the navy. i met the
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  • Son of a methodist minister and i had so many questions for
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  • Him. he finally said, "look, you just need to get josh
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  • Mcdowell books, evidence demands a verdict and more than
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  • A carpenter. these were books written in the '70s and '80s."
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  • But anyway, i read those books and i realized that
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  • Christianity was true. and when i got out of the navy in 1992,
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  • Right after that, i met norman geisler, who at the time was
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  • The michael jordan, or maybe i should say the jalen brunson
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  • Of apologetics.
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  • [jack graham] congratulations to the knicks. yeah.
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  • [frank turek] yeah. because he was so good at apologetics,
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  • Evidence for the faith. he was starting a seminary in
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  • Charlotte, north carolina. so, my wife and i and our three
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  • Sons moved from the dc area to charlotte in 1993 to attend
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  • That seminary. and then in 2006, i started
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  • Crossexamined.org. that's our ministry now. we go to
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  • Colleges, high schools, and churches, and present the
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  • Evidence that christianity's true. we cross-examine ideas
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  • Against that. and dr. geisler and i wrote that book, i don't
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  • Have enough faith to be an atheist back in 2004. and it
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  • Basically lays out the case that christianity's true from
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  • Does truth exist to does god exist? are miracles possible?
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  • Is the new testament telling us the truth? did jesus rise from
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  • The dead? and is the bible the word of god? the answer to all
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  • Those questions is yes, and the evidence is in there.
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  • [jack graham] and don't you love that title? i don't have
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  • Enough faith to be an atheist. how did you get that title and
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  • Unpack that just a little bit more for us?
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  • [frank turek] years ago, dr. geisler and i were doing a
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  • Seminar called the 12 points that show christianity is true.
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  • And when we were doing that, at one point, he was going through
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  • The evidence that the universe was so fine-tuned that if you
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  • Were to change any one of a number of factors just
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  • Imperceptibly about our universe, we wouldn't exist.
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  • This implies there's a designer out there. he went through all
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  • This evidence and he finally said, "in light of all this
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  • Evidence, i just don't have enough faith to be an atheist."
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  • And i went, "that needs to be the title of the book. we need
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  • To turn this into a book." now, in this sense, we say i don't
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  • Have enough faith to be an atheist, we're using faith not
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  • In the biblical sense. the biblical sense of faith is
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  • Trusting in what you have good evidence to believe is true,
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  • Trusting in what you have good evidence to believe is true.
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  • But the atheist view of faith is if you don't have evidence,
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  • You have blind faith. you just trust in it regardless. and in
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  • That sense, i think atheists have to have a lot more blind
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  • Faith than we do because they have to ignore all the evidence
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  • That god exists and jesus rose from the dead and the bible's
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  • True.
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  • [jack graham] yeah. hebrews 11, faith is a substance of things
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  • Hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. and so, why is
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  • A christian faith? why is there more evidence for the christian
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  • Faith and what is the evidence primarily the christian faith?
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  • [frank turek] well, the book goes into a lot of detail, but
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  • Let me just give you two basic facts you need to show that to
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  • Show that christianity's true. if these two facts are true,
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  • What c.s. lewis would call mere christianity is true, the
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  • Basics of christianity. number one, go exists and number two,
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  • Jesus rose from the dead. if those two facts are true, it's
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  • Easy to show the bible's the word of god.
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  • [jack graham] that's right.
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  • [frank turek] but those are the two key facts. by the way,
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  • That's one of the reasons jeremiah's book, which we had
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  • Up here a minute ago, is doing so well is because the jesus
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  • Discoveries are showing people that yeah, jesus really did
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  • Exist, number one. and number two, he really did rise in the
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  • Dead. and if he rose from the dead, mark it down
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  • Christianity's true. you're not wasting your time here this
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  • Morning. this is one of the most important things you can
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  • Do.
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  • [jack graham] absolutely. the most important thing you can do.
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  • ♪♪♪
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  • [jack graham] we're living in a time when many people are
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  • Asking very hard questions; questions about faith, about
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  • Truth, about jesus himself, questions like, is he lord or
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  • Is he a legend? that's why i want to introduce to you a
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  • Trusted friend and a co-labor in the gospel of the lord jesus
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  • Christ, dr. jeremiah johnston. god is using jeremiah in a
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  • Powerful way to uncover the historical evidence for the
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  • Life, death, and resurrection of jesus. and in his latest
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  • Book, the jesus discoveries, you'll discover how archeology,
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  • Ancient texts, and real history all point to the truth of who
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  • Jesus is.
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  • [jeremiah johnston] dr. graham has been such an encouragement
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  • In my life and ministry and it's truly an honor to share my
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  • Newest book with you. my prayer is that the jesus discoveries
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  • Will strengthen your faith and give you confidence that what
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  • You believe about jesus is rooted in real historical truth.
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  • [jack graham] amen. and i want you to have this resource.
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  • ♪♪♪
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  • [jack graham] when you think about the foundations of
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  • America and as we celebrate, we know our country was built upon
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  • A biblical and i would even say christian worldview. and if you
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  • Read history as i'm spending a lot of time in the founders
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  • Right now and just reading some of the documents, things they
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  • Said. but why the title mother
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  • Theresa verse hitler and why are you tying in the
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  • Declaration of independence to that subject?
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  • [frank turek] because the declaration of independence,
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  • Our founding document, points out what the founders wanted to
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  • Do. they wanted to have a government that had religious
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  • Freedom but also grounded the rights that people have in god.
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  • Because if there is no god, there are no rights. we say
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  • Mother theresa versus hitler, because if there is no god, you
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  • Can't say mother teresa was right and hitler was wrong. it
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  • Would just be your opinion. there has to be a standard
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  • Beyond us, a standard of righteousness, goodness,
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  • Justice, and love that we're all obligated to obey. if that
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  • Standard exists, then we do have rights granted to us by
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  • That standard, which happens to be god's nature. if that
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  • Standard doesn't exist, everything's just a matter of
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  • Opinion. there are no rights unless god exists. so, what
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  • We're saying in this book is that god has put on our hearts,
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  • And paul echoes this in romans 2, the gentiles and i have the
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  • Law of the law written on their hearts.
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  • This standard is written on our hearts. you don't need the
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  • Bible to know the standard. you don't even need to believe in
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  • God to know the standard, but the issue is there would be no
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  • Standard unless god existed. god is the standard of
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  • Righteousness. and so, what we're saying is that everybody
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  • Intuitively knows right and wrong. they can suppress it,
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  • They can deny it, but in their hearts, they know it. and that
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  • Standard was put there by god and our nation began with that
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  • Standard. we hold these truths to be self-evident. you ought
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  • To celebrate that because this is unique in the history of the
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  • World.
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  • [jack graham] right.
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  • [frank turek] other governments either have a king like a
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  • Monarchy or they're secular governments and that doesn't
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  • Work. the only worldview that will ground human rights and
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  • Grant you the freedom to worship as you want is the
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  • Government that we have here in the united states. and that's
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  • Why when we say american exceptionalism, we don't
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  • Necessarily mean the people are any better, although many cases
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  • They are. sometimes, we're worse. it means the founding
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  • Documents are exceptional. our constitution's exceptional. you
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  • Don't have this anywhere else.
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  • [jack graham] that's right.
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  • [frank turek] this is unique.
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  • Ladies and gentlemen. we can't let it slip away.
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  • [jack graham] what are the threats to the republic as you
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  • See it right now? what about sharia law and why is our law
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  • And land of liberty better than, let's say, sharia law?
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  • [frank turek] well, we wrote a book, it's coming out in
  • 00:12:45.821 --> 00:12:47.256
  • September. it's called the war on reality. do you know there
  • 00:12:47.256 --> 00:12:50.826
  • Is a war on reality? in fact, charlie kirk, my friend, was
  • 00:12:50.826 --> 00:12:53.963
  • One of the casualties of the war on reality. and one of the
  • 00:12:53.963 --> 00:12:58.200
  • Things that we were talking about two nights before he was
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  • Murdered was islam. he was concerned about islam because
  • 00:13:01.403 --> 00:13:06.308
  • Islam is incompatible with the united states constitution. and
  • 00:13:06.308 --> 00:13:09.979
  • This isn't islamophobia. there's no such thing, by the
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  • Way. islamophobia is a made up term. islam is not a race. it's
  • 00:13:14.016 --> 00:13:19.688
  • An ideology. there are muslims from every racial and ethnic
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  • Group. islam is more of a political ideology than it is a
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  • Mere religious ideology. wherever islam goes and there's
  • 00:13:27.930 --> 00:13:31.033
  • 1400 years of history to confirm this, sharia law isn't
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  • Far behind.
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  • What's sharia law? you don't have the rights you have here.
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  • Women are going to be covered up. women can only have to obey
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  • Men in all places, have to be escorted by men everywhere.
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  • Homosexuals executed. christians executed. if you
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  • Turn from islam to christianity, executed, can't
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  • Evangelize, can't live your faith. it's horrific. and yet,
  • 00:13:53.822 --> 00:14:02.331
  • People seem to think that if you speak out against that,
  • 00:14:02.331 --> 00:14:05.567
  • You're against muslims. i'm not against muslims. i love
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  • Muslims. i'm against islam. i don't want that ideology for
  • 00:14:07.937 --> 00:14:11.540
  • Anybody.
  • 00:14:11.540 --> 00:14:12.975
  • [jack graham] well, you speak at all these campuses and been
  • 00:14:12.975 --> 00:14:15.311
  • Doing that even before your friendship mentorship with
  • 00:14:15.311 --> 00:14:18.414
  • Charlie kirk. you speak to a lot of college students,
  • 00:14:18.414 --> 00:14:21.583
  • University students. so, for someone on the front lines of
  • 00:14:21.583 --> 00:14:25.421
  • Mission and ministry to young adults, what are you seeing out
  • 00:14:25.421 --> 00:14:29.858
  • There?
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  • [frank turek] i think that we have to go to college campuses.
  • 00:14:31.126 --> 00:14:33.329
  • One of the reasons we go is because it's generally the most
  • 00:14:33.329 --> 00:14:36.198
  • Anti-christian real estate in america. and too many people
  • 00:14:36.198 --> 00:14:41.003
  • Are given, i would say, misinformation rather than good
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  • Information on a college campus. and so, we go there to
  • 00:14:45.007 --> 00:14:49.411
  • Throw a lifeline to the christians and to put a stone
  • 00:14:49.411 --> 00:14:52.715
  • In the shoe of the skeptics. and here's one thing i think
  • 00:14:52.715 --> 00:14:56.585
  • That you can use if you go, look, i'm not an expert in any
  • 00:14:56.585 --> 00:14:59.989
  • Of this stuff. i don't have all the evidence in my mind. i get
  • 00:14:59.989 --> 00:15:02.791
  • That. none of us have all the answers. but i think if you
  • 00:15:02.791 --> 00:15:06.595
  • Want to help somebody, you want to move somebody closer to
  • 00:15:06.595 --> 00:15:09.465
  • Jesus, you really just need one question. and if you use this
  • 00:15:09.465 --> 00:15:13.068
  • Question, i think it'll help you get right to the bottom
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  • Line of what is causing the person to stay away from
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  • Christianity.
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  • It's a question i use on all college campuses. when someone
  • 00:15:21.076 --> 00:15:23.946
  • Gets up to the microphone, if they're not a christian, i will
  • 00:15:23.946 --> 00:15:26.382
  • Ask this question. the question is, if christianity were true,
  • 00:15:26.382 --> 00:15:30.819
  • Would you become a christian? i've had atheists and other
  • 00:15:30.819 --> 00:15:34.323
  • Non-believers stand at that microphone in front of hundreds
  • 00:15:34.323 --> 00:15:37.059
  • Of people. i ask that question and they say, "no." no? wait, i
  • 00:15:37.059 --> 00:15:44.033
  • Thought you claimed to be reasonable. i thought you
  • 00:15:44.033 --> 00:15:45.868
  • Claimed to be rational. how is it that you wouldn't believe
  • 00:15:45.868 --> 00:15:49.204
  • Something that turned out to be true? because it's not a matter
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  • Of the head. it's a matter of the heart. they're not on a
  • 00:15:53.075 --> 00:15:56.011
  • Truth quest. they're on a happiness quest.
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  • [jeremiah johnston] yeah, absolutely. and one of the
  • 00:15:58.414 --> 00:15:59.748
  • Great things about being part of prestonwood, those people
  • 00:15:59.748 --> 00:16:01.850
  • Are online, as well, is pascal said something so powerful
  • 00:16:01.850 --> 00:16:05.788
  • Before he died at the age of 39. he said that our job as
  • 00:16:05.788 --> 00:16:09.324
  • Christians, not just the delta force christians like frank
  • 00:16:09.324 --> 00:16:12.494
  • Turek, but every believer, we have to present the truth so
  • 00:16:12.494 --> 00:16:17.099
  • That people want it to be true and then show them that it is.
  • 00:16:17.099 --> 00:16:20.936
  • And so, how effective are you at articulating the truth where
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  • If you're on an airplane or if you're at tsa like i was this
  • 00:16:24.773 --> 00:16:28.410
  • Week, you're presenting the truth where man, lost people,
  • 00:16:28.410 --> 00:16:31.980
  • They want it to be true and then you show them that it is.
  • 00:16:31.980 --> 00:16:35.384
  • Frank did that in a man's life named charlie kirk, who you've
  • 00:16:35.384 --> 00:16:38.954
  • Referred to as your fourth son. take us back. when did you meet
  • 00:16:38.954 --> 00:16:43.325
  • Him? take us into that relationship if you would be so
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  • Transparent to share that with us.
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  • [frank turek] yeah. back in 2020, charlie emailed our
  • 00:16:48.630 --> 00:16:51.266
  • Ministry and said, "hey, i've been watching frank and his
  • 00:16:51.266 --> 00:16:53.268
  • Videos and they've really helped me and i want to get to
  • 00:16:53.268 --> 00:16:56.472
  • Know him more and maybe can help me." so, he asked me to be
  • 00:16:56.472 --> 00:17:00.976
  • A mentor. now, it can be difficult to mentor someone
  • 00:17:00.976 --> 00:17:03.479
  • Smarter than you, but not with charlie kirk because the only
  • 00:17:03.479 --> 00:17:07.883
  • Attribute that exceeded his intellect was his humility. the
  • 00:17:07.883 --> 00:17:11.520
  • Few things that i knew that he didn't know he wanted to know,
  • 00:17:11.520 --> 00:17:14.857
  • Which is wise. it's a proverbs say, "you should listen, you
  • 00:17:14.857 --> 00:17:18.026
  • Should try, and get advisors for many." and so, he did. i
  • 00:17:18.026 --> 00:17:21.763
  • Wasn't his only mentor, but in the last year, especially, we
  • 00:17:21.763 --> 00:17:26.301
  • Spent a lot of time together, particularly last summer
  • 00:17:26.301 --> 00:17:30.172
  • Because he knew this college tour was coming up and he
  • 00:17:30.172 --> 00:17:32.674
  • Wanted to get really ready for it. and so, we met on four
  • 00:17:32.674 --> 00:17:36.578
  • Occasions in phoenix over the last summer to try and sharpen
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  • Our answers to questions we get on a college campus.
  • 00:17:43.118 --> 00:17:45.754
  • And so, a couple of nights before he was murdered,
  • 00:17:45.754 --> 00:17:52.027
  • Sometimes, we would go on these long walks at night after he
  • 00:17:52.027 --> 00:17:54.630
  • And erika put the kids down. we'd always have a 300-pound
  • 00:17:54.630 --> 00:17:57.132
  • Armed bodyguard with us, but we'd walk through the streets
  • 00:17:57.132 --> 00:17:59.334
  • Of scottsdale and two nights before he was murdered, i said,
  • 00:17:59.334 --> 00:18:03.739
  • "charles, let's talk about whatever you want to talk
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  • About." and the three things he wanted to talk about, the first
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  • Thing he wanted to talk about was the government and islam,
  • 00:18:07.342 --> 00:18:09.711
  • Which we already mentioned. and then secondly, he wanted to
  • 00:18:09.711 --> 00:18:12.548
  • Talk about the evidence for christianity, particularly the
  • 00:18:12.548 --> 00:18:16.118
  • Resurrection and those two facts. does god exist? did
  • 00:18:16.118 --> 00:18:19.188
  • Jesus rise from the dead? how can we better able to present
  • 00:18:19.188 --> 00:18:22.224
  • Evidence to people on a college campus about that? and then the
  • 00:18:22.224 --> 00:18:25.227
  • Third topic he really wanted to talk about was marriage and the
  • 00:18:25.227 --> 00:18:30.065
  • Family because his generation was not really keen on marriage
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  • Or having kids.
  • 00:18:33.268 --> 00:18:34.703
  • He was 31 at the time. how could he get, particularly
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  • Women, because the men of his generation wanted to get
  • 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:41.343
  • Married and the women didn't. how could he try and get women
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  • To be more interested in marriage? now, we actually
  • 00:18:45.013 --> 00:18:47.683
  • Didn't come up with a plan that night, but god may have
  • 00:18:47.683 --> 00:18:51.520
  • Revealed a plan through the tragedy because i think erika,
  • 00:18:51.520 --> 00:18:54.590
  • Despite being just vilified by a lot of evil intent, is a very
  • 00:18:54.590 --> 00:19:01.964
  • Strong woman who can be a model to women around the country to
  • 00:19:01.964 --> 00:19:07.636
  • Take care of the family. i need to say something about what's
  • 00:19:07.636 --> 00:19:09.805
  • Going on with erika, if i may.
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  • [jack graham] do it.
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  • [frank turek] do you notice that jesus and the apostles
  • 00:19:13.075 --> 00:19:16.278
  • Call satan a murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer who
  • 00:19:16.278 --> 00:19:22.651
  • Seeks to steal, kill, and destroy? okay. on 9/10, we had
  • 00:19:22.651 --> 00:19:27.656
  • A murder and then after the memorial service, what did we
  • 00:19:27.656 --> 00:19:31.126
  • Have? what have we had since? lies, accusations, and slander
  • 00:19:31.126 --> 00:19:36.565
  • Seeking to steal, kill, and destroy. and people don't
  • 00:19:36.565 --> 00:19:40.769
  • Believe in the demonic. could it be more obvious? and by the
  • 00:19:40.769 --> 00:19:45.340
  • Way, if you're out there and you are considering the
  • 00:19:45.340 --> 00:19:48.977
  • Absolute bilge that candace owens is putting out,
  • 00:19:48.977 --> 00:19:52.514
  • Shame on you.
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  • [jack graham] yes.
  • 00:19:55.751 --> 00:19:56.952
  • [frank turek] it's demonic.
  • 00:19:56.952 --> 00:20:00.155
  • [jack graham] say it.
  • 00:20:00.155 --> 00:20:02.691
  • [frank turek] so, those three things, just to wrap this up,
  • 00:20:02.691 --> 00:20:05.360
  • Those three issues that charlie wanted to talk about that
  • 00:20:05.360 --> 00:20:08.163
  • Night, notice those three issues in retrospect are the
  • 00:20:08.163 --> 00:20:11.300
  • Three institutions god created; government, the church and the
  • 00:20:11.300 --> 00:20:16.371
  • Family. charlie was a big strategic thinker. he wasn't
  • 00:20:16.371 --> 00:20:19.908
  • Talking about little ideas. he was talking about big ideas.
  • 00:20:19.908 --> 00:20:23.879
  • [jack graham] thank you for standing in the gap. and last
  • 00:20:23.879 --> 00:20:26.715
  • Night, we were having dinner and you said something that
  • 00:20:26.715 --> 00:20:30.118
  • When, first thing this morning when deb and i got up, she
  • 00:20:30.118 --> 00:20:34.289
  • Said, "i can't stop thinking about what frank said about the
  • 00:20:34.289 --> 00:20:38.760
  • Impact of this," because i asked him last evening, i said,
  • 00:20:38.760 --> 00:20:41.396
  • "what's the impact of this on you?" you can talk words like
  • 00:20:41.396 --> 00:20:47.269
  • Trauma and all the rest, tragedy that he was eyewitness
  • 00:20:47.269 --> 00:20:50.806
  • To all of this so close, so close. how could you ever get
  • 00:20:50.806 --> 00:20:56.445
  • Through it, get over it? but what you said, deb said, "i
  • 00:20:56.445 --> 00:21:00.282
  • Can't stop thinking about what you said." what was that? share
  • 00:21:00.282 --> 00:21:03.585
  • With us what you said.
  • 00:21:03.585 --> 00:21:04.820
  • [frank turek] well, you asked me if i had ptsd and i said,
  • 00:21:04.820 --> 00:21:09.925
  • "well, maybe, but i don't like to call it a disorder because
  • 00:21:09.925 --> 00:21:12.594
  • It's not a disorder. it's normal." and those who've been
  • 00:21:12.594 --> 00:21:16.164
  • In combat, you know this, right? you should feel
  • 00:21:16.164 --> 00:21:20.135
  • Something pretty dramatic. so, i said the first person i think
  • 00:21:20.135 --> 00:21:23.905
  • Of when i wake up is charlie, the last person i think about
  • 00:21:23.905 --> 00:21:27.442
  • Before i go to bed is charlie, but they should be that way,
  • 00:21:27.442 --> 00:21:30.812
  • Right?
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  • [jack graham] yeah.
  • 00:21:33.982 --> 00:21:35.183
  • [frank turek] and because it's what psychologists call an
  • 00:21:35.183 --> 00:21:36.985
  • Impact event. what's an impact event? an impact event is an
  • 00:21:36.985 --> 00:21:40.489
  • Event that's so dramatic that first of all can change you 180
  • 00:21:40.489 --> 00:21:44.526
  • Degrees immediately. and secondly, although you might
  • 00:21:44.526 --> 00:21:49.698
  • Not remember what you had for breakfast this morning, you'll
  • 00:21:49.698 --> 00:21:51.967
  • Remember an impact event that happened 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60
  • 00:21:51.967 --> 00:21:55.937
  • Years ago if you're old enough. in fact, there may only be a
  • 00:21:55.937 --> 00:21:58.640
  • Few people in here that can answer this question, but i'm
  • 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:00.509
  • Going to ask it anyway. if you can remember where you were and
  • 00:22:00.509 --> 00:22:04.146
  • What you were doing november 22nd, 1963, hold your hand up
  • 00:22:04.146 --> 00:22:08.216
  • And hold it up high. ladies and gentlemen, see these people
  • 00:22:08.216 --> 00:22:10.886
  • With their hands up, these people are very old.
  • 00:22:10.886 --> 00:22:18.293
  • That's my earliest memory. i was two years old in two days
  • 00:22:18.293 --> 00:22:20.829
  • And my mom was crying because of the kennedy assassination,
  • 00:22:20.829 --> 00:22:23.565
  • Particularly here in dallas. if you lived here, you can't
  • 00:22:23.565 --> 00:22:26.201
  • Forget that. where were you when the challenger exploded?
  • 00:22:26.201 --> 00:22:29.805
  • Where were you when the second plane hit the tower? where were
  • 00:22:29.805 --> 00:22:32.874
  • You when president trump was shot? where were you when you
  • 00:22:32.874 --> 00:22:35.310
  • Heard that charlie kirk was shot? do you think i'm going to
  • 00:22:35.310 --> 00:22:38.447
  • Ever forget that? there's no way i can forget it. if i
  • 00:22:38.447 --> 00:22:42.451
  • Wanted to forget it, i couldn't. by the way, this is
  • 00:22:42.451 --> 00:22:49.558
  • Why i'm confident i know where charlie is because the same
  • 00:22:49.558 --> 00:22:56.932
  • Impact event that helps me remember his death is the same
  • 00:22:56.932 --> 00:23:03.305
  • Impact event that makes me realize the resurrection was
  • 00:23:03.305 --> 00:23:05.974
  • True. do you think a resurrection would have been an
  • 00:23:05.974 --> 00:23:09.277
  • Impact event? if he truly did rise from the dead after being
  • 00:23:09.277 --> 00:23:13.615
  • In the tomb for at least say 39 hours, as you put it, do you
  • 00:23:13.615 --> 00:23:18.420
  • Think people would remember that?
  • 00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:20.989
  • How else do you explain how these jews who thought they
  • 00:23:20.989 --> 00:23:24.726
  • Were god's chosen people? would claim, a man claimed to be god
  • 00:23:24.726 --> 00:23:29.731
  • And then rose from the dead and they would say this knowing it
  • 00:23:29.731 --> 00:23:36.805
  • Would get them expelled from the synagogue and then beaten,
  • 00:23:36.805 --> 00:23:40.609
  • Tortured, and killed, why would they say all this was true if
  • 00:23:40.609 --> 00:23:45.013
  • It wasn't? these people were jews. people would say, "oh,
  • 00:23:45.013 --> 00:23:47.782
  • Pastor, i can't believe what's in this bible because this is a
  • 00:23:47.782 --> 00:23:50.886
  • Christian source. there are no christian sources in the bible."
  • 00:23:50.886 --> 00:23:53.522
  • They're all jewish sources. every one of them are jewish
  • 00:23:53.522 --> 00:23:58.560
  • Sources. oh, they became christian because of the event,
  • 00:23:58.560 --> 00:24:03.064
  • But even skeptics or even new testament scholars are
  • 00:24:03.064 --> 00:24:06.501
  • Agreeing. now, even luke was a jew. they're all jews. why are
  • 00:24:06.501 --> 00:24:10.238
  • They inventing a resurrected jesus? to get themselves
  • 00:24:10.238 --> 00:24:13.074
  • Beaten, tortured, and killed? no. this event really occurred
  • 00:24:13.074 --> 00:24:16.678
  • And because this event really occurred, i know where charlie
  • 00:24:16.678 --> 00:24:19.514
  • Is and because this event really occurred, then living
  • 00:24:19.514 --> 00:24:24.986
  • Like charlie kirk or mother teresa means something whereas
  • 00:24:24.986 --> 00:24:30.725
  • Living like adolf hitler or tyler robinson is not something
  • 00:24:30.725 --> 00:24:35.230
  • You ought to live by. if there is no god, it doesn't matter
  • 00:24:35.230 --> 00:24:37.899
  • Whether you live like mother teresa or hitler. if you've
  • 00:24:37.899 --> 00:24:41.836
  • Lived like charlie kirk or tyler, it doesn't matter. why?
  • 00:24:41.836 --> 00:24:44.573
  • Because we ultimately wind up in the same place nowhere, just
  • 00:24:44.573 --> 00:24:47.175
  • Out of existence. only if christianity is true, only if
  • 00:24:47.175 --> 00:24:50.612
  • The resurrection is true does your life or my life or
  • 00:24:50.612 --> 00:24:54.215
  • Charlie's life or anyone's life matter.
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  • [jeremiah johnston] that's right. and i want to say one
  • 00:24:57.619 --> 00:24:59.454
  • Thing to our church family that i have a phd in biblical
  • 00:24:59.454 --> 00:25:02.791
  • Studies, but i've gotten a phd about how to be a pastor these
  • 00:25:02.791 --> 00:25:06.494
  • Last years, just learning under dr. graham. and in so many
  • 00:25:06.494 --> 00:25:11.266
  • Moments, pastor is spiritually instinctive about calling or
  • 00:25:11.266 --> 00:25:16.137
  • Reaching out to people he doesn't even know. and frank,
  • 00:25:16.137 --> 00:25:18.907
  • You were two days, less than two days after this happened.
  • 00:25:18.907 --> 00:25:25.380
  • Tell the church who reached out to you because i want you to
  • 00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:28.049
  • Know how behind this church is, we are behind you and it began
  • 00:25:28.049 --> 00:25:32.053
  • With a phone call.
  • 00:25:32.053 --> 00:25:33.822
  • [frank turek] yeah. charlie was murdered on wednesday. we got
  • 00:25:33.822 --> 00:25:36.124
  • Back to phoenix thursday afternoon after jd vance came
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  • With air force two and then friday, we're still in phoenix
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  • And we're about to fly back to charlotte and that's when my
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  • Phone rang and i looked at the phone and i said, "jack graham,
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  • I know who jack graham is, but he doesn't know me. we'd never
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  • Spoken," and it was your pastor just reaching out to say, "i
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  • Saw what happened. i just want to make sure you're all right."
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  • See, now, that's a real pastor. i don't even go here. i live in
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  • Charlotte, north carolina. he's calling me. so, you've got the
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  • Real deal here, right?
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  • [jack graham] i know this conversation with frank turek
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  • Is an incredible blessing to you. it is for me. frank and
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  • Jeremiah remind us that the faith we believe is not a blind
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  • Leap into the dark, but it is a leap into the light. it is
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  • Grounded in truth. our truth is in jesus christ, knowing what
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  • We know is worth sharing, of course. so, we need to be ready
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  • And to be bold and brave in sharing our faith. so, share
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  • This with someone who has questions. share it with
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  • Someone whose faith needs encouragement, equipping. this
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  • Is how we make a difference, one person, one life, one
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  • Conversation at a time. and don't forget, if you want to go
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  • Deeper, i want to put a resource in your hands that
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  • Will help you grow in your knowledge and defense of your
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  • Faith. you can request your copy of the jesus discoveries
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  • By jeremiah johnston, an incredible book when you
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  • Support powerpoint this month. this book will turn your
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  • On powerpoint and until the next time, keep standing for
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  • Truth in jesus' name. god bless you.
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  • ♪♪♪
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