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January 27, 2026 | 55:34

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Praise | Chloe Cole: Courageous Christians | Praise | January 27, 2026

Join us tonight as we sit with jim daly, ceo of focus on the
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Family, and john stonestreet, ceo of the colson center.
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They'll be sharing the story of chloe cole's life, her journey
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To truth, and the courage it takes to proclaim that our
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Identity is made in the image of god.
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She discovered what's true about herself, and now she's
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Discovered faith in christ.
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And that has turned her into a voice of courage.
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And that's what a redemption can do.
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The message is perfect for this time because there's so much
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Cloudiness when it comes to truth, and there is truth.
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And in fact, the best line that chloe cole gives, i think in
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The film, she said, it's not your truth, my truth.
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It's jesus is the truth.
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Welcome. i'm so glad that
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You're joining us for tonight's program.
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I wanted to read you something that i read in my own personal
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Devotions this morning.
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I've been working through the sermon on the mount, and in
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This particular passage made me pause.
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Do you ever feel that when the holy spirit says pause,
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Pay attention here.
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So let me read it to you.
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This is from matthew chapter five.
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And verse 14 says, you are the light of the world, like a city
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On a hilltop that cannot be hidden.
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No one lights a lamp and then puts it under a basket.
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Instead, a lamp is placed on a stand where it gives light to
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Everyone in the house.
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In the same way, let your good deeds shine out for all to see,
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So that everyone will praise your heavenly father.
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Have you ever thought,
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What does that mean for my life, lord?
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What does it look like to live my life out like that, so that
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Other people will notice and not give praise to me?
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Other people will notice and give praise to the lord.
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I'm so happy that i'm going to be joined by jim daly,
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President of focus on the family, and john stonestreet,
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President of the colson center for christian worldview.
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We're going to be talking about what does it look like to be a
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Light that's set on a hill. you don't hide as you're
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As a believer. you don't hide your faith. but you've got this
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Incredible documentary.
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I wondered, where did the idea initially come from to make a
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Documentary, truth rising?
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My recollection was i was just thinking and watching the
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Culture and people in the culture, nonbelievers who are
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Saying something's wrong.
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Something is not working in our
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Culture the way it used to work.
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And it gave me the idea we had done truth project many years
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Ago, and i thought, maybe it's time for focus on the family to
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Do another film, which we're calling truth rising, and
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Quickly, my next thought was, we need to get john stonestreet
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Involved because he's an expert in culture and you've done a
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Lot to study up and understand culture and biblical themes.
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And so i called john and just said, what do you think?
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And you were right there.
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Yeah. i mean, i was on board because one of the realities of
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The scripture is that god is described as in a very
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Historically precise way, at just the right time
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And just the right place,
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Galatians four talks about that god sends jesus, and paul talks
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About this in acts 17, when he's talking to the epicurean
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And stoic philosophers on mars hill, that god determines the
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Exact times in which we live and the boundaries of
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Our dwelling place.
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In other words, it's not an accident that we find ourselves
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In this cultural moment.
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That's like jim just described, right?
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Where things seem to be broken.
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Things seem to be really uncertain back and forth.
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And there's lots of ways we could describe it, but we are
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Called to this moment.
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So what does it mean for a christian to be the sort of
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Christian that god's called them to be in this time
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And in this place?
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So being a light on the hill,
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Um, well, listen, you can do all the right things and be
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Accused of being a hateful, bigot,
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Intolerant jerk.
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You can be accused of all kinds of evils and canceled by
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Doing the right thing.
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And so what do you do? does that mean you get quiet?
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Does that mean you stop shining your light?
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Absolutely not.
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That's where the courageous piece comes in.
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One of the things that you've said i overheard in a
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Conversation you were having with matt and laurie, you said
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Something that i found very challenging.
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You were talking about courage, but you said that it
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Begins with faith,
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Because so often we look at people who are doing courageous
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Things and we think, i could never do that.
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And yet, when you find the root
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Of that, what is that rooted in?
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It's rooted in an absolute conviction that god is in
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Control, that god is good.
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And because of that, and because our eternity is secure,
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We get to speak the truth. i agree.
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I mean, it starts internally with faith, right?
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Faith in christ.
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And then i think that external expression of that faith is
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Courage and doing the right thing, even when it cost you
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Something, which means the lord's got your heart.
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Yeah. and i can only imagine how he smiles when one of his
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Children maybe at the bottom, you know, somebody in the
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Valley of life-- yeah.
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And you do the right thing, whatever that might be.
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I can only imagine the smile that god has because he knows
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I've got that person.
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Yeah, that person is mine.
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Chloe cole grew up in central california.
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Like so many young people
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Today, chloe struggled with her identity.
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And like so many young people today, she sought comfort
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And companionship online.
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But what she found there were harmful ideas about who she is.
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I had heard the word transgender a few times, but i
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Thought it was just kind of a funny concept, and i didn't
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Really care for it until i was actually seeing it just being
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Presented to my face through my usage of social media.
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A lot of these users were kids my age, or maybe a little bit
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Older, who identified with the opposite sex or another part of
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The lgbt community.
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But it was primarily like these, these girls who called
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Themselves males.
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Maybe the reason why i'm so interested in this is because
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I'm one of them.
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I wasn't supposed to be a girl.
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That's why i'm so uncomfortable with myself
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And my developing female body.
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I was born with a male brain.
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Maybe half a year or so of being exposed to this content
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Was when i decided to go all in and to transition, and they
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Really drilled it hard into my mom and dad's head that like,
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You're going to have to choose between
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Having a live son or a dead daughter.
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And it's the only choice that they give parents.
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They say it's transition or die.
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Chloe started her transition when she was just 12 years old.
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First with puberty suppressant
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And then cross-sex hormones at 13.
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And at just 15 years old, chloe underwent a double mastectomy.
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I didn't have the clarity or maturity yet to be able to
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Realize that my transition was actually destroying me.
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I was still very much in the mindset of, okay, maybe i just
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Need to move further then because i'm not satisfied.
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I started to wonder, like, what's wrong with me
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This time, you know?
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Like, i looked like a guy. everybody thinks i'm a guy.
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Everybody accepts me,
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And yet i'm still not happy.
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When i was being rolled in, i was just, like, nervously.
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Like, babbling my doctor's ears off.
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And i remember looking in the back corner of the room and
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There was like this young male nurse.
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He had like, this look of
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Horror on his face the whole time.
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And i think retrospectively, i now recognize that
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That's the face of like,
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I'm doing this to a kid.
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I was not quite old enough yet to drive a car,
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But i could get my perfectly healthy breasts removed.
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It was not an easy process to deal with or cope with at all.
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Something changed the day of surgery, and as soon as i woke
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Up and as soon as i went home, and once i had the stitches
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Taken out and i had to start taking care of the wounds and
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Looking down at that area of my chest, that area of my body
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And what was left of my breasts every single day,
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It was horrific.
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I was taking a class in psychology at this point in
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Time, and the end of the course was very focused on family and
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Particularly children, and how they develop from infancy.
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And one particular lesson involved breastfeeding.
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And then i had this moment of like,
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What have i done to myself?
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This is beautiful.
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This is incredible.
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I'm never going to be able to do it.
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I woke up something in me.
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I began to feel like real, genuine grief and regret
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Just flooding through
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Like, like a storm.
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I began to miss
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The femininity i once had, not just my breasts, but also
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Being able to wear makeup, have long hair, wear flowy dresses
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And clothing, feeling pretty.
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Some of the simpler things about womanhood,
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I really just dearly missed.
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It was like, okay, i'm already like four years into this,
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So there's no going back now, is there?
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So i made the choice to detransition.
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I went off hormones, cold turkey.
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I never wanted to look at the syringe ever again.
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My decision was not one that was made with any sort of
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Religious intentions or beliefs in mind, because at the time i
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Was completely agnostic.
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I was in deep, deep suffering.
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And i started to think, if there's a god out there, he's
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Got to absolutely hate me.
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I pretty much believe that up until the end of my transition,
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And those feelings began to go away.
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It wasn't until i began speaking out publicly that i
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Started going on this advocacy journey, that i've connected
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With a bunch of different christians, both individuals
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And groups and churches and pastors and other leaders who
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Have not only given me a place of comfort where i know i'm
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Loved and appreciated, but also have challenged me in my
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Old beliefs and have guided me to the truth.
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God has been using all of it to strengthen me into the woman
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Who i am now.
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And it's that newfound faith
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That gives me a reason to fight.
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I used to be afraid to speak my mind.
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My faith in him has given me the strength and the
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Discernment and understanding and compassion that i need.
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He has called me to put an end
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To the gender ideology movement.
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I'm incredibly grateful that i've been given this purpose.
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I have this gift now that allows me to transform all the
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Pain that i've been through, and all the pain that my family
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Has been through to help others.
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There is no my truth or your truth.
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I've come to the conclusion that jesus is the truth.
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What comes to your mind when you think about god is the most
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Important thing about you,
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Because i think if you think that god is somebody who
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Expects things of you or is disappointed in you,
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Or wants to punish you,
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But if you get this understanding of god's love,
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That he loves us so much that christ came so that we could be
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Reunited with god,
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I think that in itself gives me courage because i'll be honest
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With you, i did not grow up very courageous.
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My dad died by suicide when i was five, and he was quite
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Violent before he died.
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So i turned into a very scared little girl.
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Um, even if guys from the church, uncles came over, i
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Would go upstairs and wait in my bedroom until they left.
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And my mum at night would say, lord, for this one,
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When i was sleeping, she would say, for this least likely to
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Succeed or do anything.
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And i think that's i think that's one of the things i want
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Our viewers to know.
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Do you know that god loves to use the least likely person?
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Because so often we look at people and we think, oh, you're
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So gifted and you're so talented,
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But when you actually hear
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Their stories, god delights in you.
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If you feel like the least likely,
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Welcome to the club.
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God just signed you up.
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What's so amazing with that is can you look back to that
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Ingredient that god used to give you courage?
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Yeah. what was it?
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Pain. think of that.
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Pain has a purpose.
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Yeah. and that's the beautiful thing that so many of these
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Stories that you're telling, and they're very different and
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Very appropriate for the times we're living in.
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They didn't just-- you know, we want a beginning and a happy
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Ending, but there's a process to what god is doing.
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And so many of the stories that we talk about in the film are
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The stories that they tell are stories of people who came to
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Grips with truth, that what they believed wasn't just
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Something that was true for them and not for everyone else,
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But this is actually-- when we're talking about
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Christianity being true,
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We're saying that the christian vision of life in the
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World is the accurate description of the world
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As we experience it.
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It is the world we live in.
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And when you have that confidence, then you can
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Walk out in courage.
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I feel like this fresh wave of understanding of every single
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Life, like your life matters.
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You might think, well, i don't have the gifts or talents.
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Your life matters
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Because when you understand the source of that life and the
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Source of that power and the source of that courage is god.
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It's so true.
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I think that expression of
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God's love for us, we can't comprehend.
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You know, i interviewed for focus on the family a
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Gentleman by the name of john burke, who wrote a book called
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Imagine the god of heaven.
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And the core of that message was people that have near death
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Experiences and touch that veil, whatever that might be,
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They come back and they describe that sense of love
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That is unseen, kind of comprehensible here.
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It's so much more than what we understand.
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And i don't know about you guys, but i think that's a good
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Thing. when we get there to feel that kind of love, we think we
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Understand what love is,
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But i think it's going to be much bigger and much better
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When we're in heaven.
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My name is chloe cole and i am a detransitioner,
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And a woman from the central valley of california.
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I was born and raised there, and i'm the youngest of five
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Kids with two older brothers and two older sisters.
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And i was kind of in the middle of being a girly girl and a
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Tomboyish archetype throughout most of my childhood.
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But i found that especially as i got older, i started to
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Gravitate a little bit more towards like my dad and my
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Older brothers and eventually my male peers.
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I just found out that they were a lot more relatable, a lot
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More easygoing and fun,
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And even when it came to things like my own personality in
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The way that i presented myself, i grew less and less
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Comfortable with having long hair,
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Things like purses or dresses, skirts.
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And eventually, as i started going through puberty, which i
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Started to develop when i was about 8 or 9. i became very,
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Very deeply uncomfortable with that and the changes that were
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Coming with me growing into a woman as well.
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I felt like i was just fundamentally different from
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The other kids around me.
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I felt like there was just something, somewhere about
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Myself that was just setting me apart.
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And i had a bit of a complex over this,
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You know? i, i was born with a cleft palate.
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I was diagnosed with a learning disability down the line.
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And so i was just used to always hearing that there was
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Something wrong with me.
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And even when i would go to school and try to make friends,
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A lot of the time i just felt like i couldn't, that i
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Couldn't really get along with other with other kids my age.
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And so i started to think like, what's wrong with me?
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What is it that is making me so different.
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I kind of, i struggled with myself for, for years and with
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Trying to build an identity and feel like i had a place in the
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World where i could belong
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Until i discovered the transgender community online,
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And i was about 12 years old by this point in time, maybe
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A little bit younger.
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Um, i think this was around the time that i got my first cell
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Phone, and i had heard the word transgender a few times
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Um, while, like, overhearing conversations between, like, my
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Parents or between like, family adults or like over the t.v.,
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But i thought it was just kind of a funny concept, and i
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Didn't really care for it until i was actually seeing it just
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Being presented to my face
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Through my usage of social media.
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And it was through these communities that were based
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Around things like that i was interested in, like video
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Games, um, illustration, character design, tv shows
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That i watched.
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A lot of these users were kids my age, or maybe a little bit
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Older, who identified with the opposite sex or another part of
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The lgbt community,
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But it was primarily like these these girls who called
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Themselves males, and they just seemed so similar to me.
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They were tomboys growing up
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And all sorts of different ways
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They had struggled with their relationships at home or with
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Their peers or with bullying.
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And just like me, they couldn't really find like a means of
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Understanding themselves or connecting with other people.
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But they seem to be so happy, and like they were so fulfilled
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And identifying as transgender.
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And just watching them,
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At first it was a curiosity, and then it became sort of like
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An intellectual interest for me.
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I started reading up on, like some of the medical and, and
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Scientific and philosophical literature around
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Transgenderism until i started to connect it to myself.
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And it was like, maybe the reason why i'm so interested in
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This is because i'm one of them.
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I wasn't supposed to be a girl.
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That's why i'm so uncomfortable with myself and my developing
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Female body, and why i don't always necessarily get along
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With the other women around me.
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It's because i was born with a male brain, and i just so
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Happened to have a female body, and now i finally have a path
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Through which i can finally be seen as the person who i've
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Always wanted to be.
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So how did you pick the stories.
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That you chose?
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Because they're very different.
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You have stories in the film
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Like chloe cole, who believed a lie,
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One of the most damaging lies of our of our culture, that who
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We are as human beings, um, is, is kind of a construct that we
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Just, we just make of ourselves and that, you know, therefore
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Men can become women and women can become men.
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And that was an idea that's
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Been forced on a lot of children.
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She was one of those 12 year old girls.
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I don't remember kids when i was at school wrestling with
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Whether they were a boy or a girl.
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Well, there were so many parts of our culture that
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Reinforce basic reality,
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But if you go back, um, so much follows from what you
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Believe about god.
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Psalm 135 talks about how, um, uh, the gods of the of the
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Nations or the idols are silver
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And gold made by the hands of men.
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They have mouths but can't speak,
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Eyes but can't see, ears but can't hear.
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And we know that we know.
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It's kind of weird that someone would take a block of wood,
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Carve an ear on it, and then
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Try to talk to it as if it can hear.
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But david's next point in verse 18 of psalm 135 is, those who
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Make them will be like them.
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If we lose sight of god, we will lose sight of ourselves.
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And that's a process in coming.
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I mean, romans one talks about how rejecting god means
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Rejecting reality, and that's part of the cultural crisis
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That we've found ourselves. in in the film, oz guinness calls
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It, a civilizational moment. when a civilization untethers
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From basic truth,
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There's no telling where it can go.
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Think about what a patently absurd idea it is that our
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Bodies are irrelevant to who we are.
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And yet that was an idea that was widely taken for granted in
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Our culture and then pushed on the vulnerable.
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Yeah. and, you know, i'm just so grateful that chloe has
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Found what is true about god and about herself.
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And for her, it came in the other order.
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She discovered what's true about herself, and now she's
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Discovered faith in christ.
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And that has turned her into a voice of courage.
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And that's what a redemption can do.
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Uh, paul says in two corinthians five that those who
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Have been reconciled are agents of reconciliation.
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That's what chloe is.
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To be a person of courage is to be a a voice of reconciliation
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In our culture.
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But i would say chloe's story, what it does for me, hearing
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It, maybe as a parent-- i don't have daughters,
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I have two sons--
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It makes me want to be a spiritual warrior for her.
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Absolutely.
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And i think right now in the culture, there's an assault
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On girls particularly.
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I mean, the culture is attacking them in every way.
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And for chloe, as a 12, 13 year old, to be told that she's
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Probably trapped in a girl's body, that she was truly born a
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Boy and then going to the parents with professionals,
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Physicians, psychiatrists who reinforce that to say, oh,
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You'll either have a dead daughter or a live trans son.
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You choose.
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Now, here's the irony.
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You look at the data.
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70 to 90% of gender dysphoric preteens and teens will
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Self-correct and move back to their biological gender by
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19 years old. wow.
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So the immorality of what school administrators,
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Counselors are doing to these poor children is horrific.
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Leave them alone.
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If we are not courageous enough to just say what's true, then
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We are abandoning innocent,
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Vulnerable people, especially children.
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Yeah. folks like chloe.
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And so it is a calling of all christians to tell the truth.
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And it is something that requires courage to tell the
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Truth in our culture.
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I'd say like probably about maybe half a year or so of
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Being exposed to this content was when i decided to go all in
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And to transition.
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And before i actually had started going by alternative
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Labels like pansexual or agender or all these crazy
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Things that honestly just don't make sense.
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But to a 12 year old's mind, with all the colorful flags and
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New words and just the novelty
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Of it all, it's kind of exciting.
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It's kind of fun.
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It's kind of like a game and trying to find new ways to
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Express yourself, right?
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Because you're at that age where you want to, like, sort
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Of branch out and show everybody who you are.
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So i after i started calling myself a boy and going through
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The psychological process of beginning my transition
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Reconceptualizing my identity in my head and my gender, i
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Started trying to make it more convincing, you know, trying to
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Cut my hair shorter,
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Um, going to the mall and buying more boys clothing and
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Then starting to, like, stash and, like, get rid of my
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Girls clothing until eventually i came out, i think first to
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People online and then an older sister of mine before i told my
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Mom and dad about it.
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I felt like they deserved to know because they were
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My mom and dad, and i also,
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I wanted to stop hearing my birth name.
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I wanted to stop hearing them call me chloe.
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I didn't want them to call me a girl anymore.
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I wanted them to see me as their son now.
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So they were supportive of me, and they were proud of me for
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Trying to branch out and find a new means of expressing
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And exploring my myself.
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But they also were very cautious as well.
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Um, they never believed that i was transgender or boy or
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Anything like that.
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They had always seen me as their daughter and they
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Understood that, you know, i was i'd always been a
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Little bit tomboyish and
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Maybe my, my learning disability, maybe having adhd
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And these other psychiatric issues that i was
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Going through at the time,
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The loneliness of being sort of an outcast at school was making
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It hard for me to kind of understand myself, and that
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This was just a this was just a consequence of that.
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They decided that we were going--
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They were going to send me to a therapist.
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After a few days of doing a little bit of research, there
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Really weren't any stories like mine of people coming out on
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The other side of things, or any pushback against this idea
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Against the transitioning of of children, right.
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All that they were seeing was just affirm your child, affirm
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Your child's identity, um, and have them seek medical
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Attention immediately and seek care.
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Have them seek mental help.
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And they just assumed like, okay, i mean, that's pretty
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Standard, right?
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It's a psychological issue.
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And surely she's going to be getting psychiatric help
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For that, right?
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They didn't expect that by going to therapy i would be
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Separated from them, that they wouldn't be allowed in the room
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During these appointments.
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And so they wouldn't know what we were talking about or that
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They, these doctors or these psychological professionals
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Would goad them into going along with it, rather than just
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Allowing me to develop like any other kid and just grow up
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Without any intervention.
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They were kind of upset about that, naturally, and they
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Decided that they were going to take matters into their own
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Hands and speak to the psychologist themselves, and
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They were asking all the right questions, like, so why does
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She want to do this?
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What is making her feel this way?
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And why do we have to jump into this right now?
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Why does she want to undergo the medical process of a gender
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Transition, when maybe we could just wait until she's, like a
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Little bit older, preferably at least legally an adult, and
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Understands perhaps what it is that she wants to do in life a
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Little bit better.
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Why does it have to happen now?
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What are the chances that she's
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Going to regret this and and stop
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Maybe? and if she regrets it, like, what do we do?
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What do we do about that?
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And it's like all their concerns were just ignored.
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And almost like these doctors at multiple steps of the way
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Just had this script to go by whenever parents asked these
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Perfectly reasonable questions.
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Uh, they told them like, well, your child just doesn't have
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Any other choice.
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You know, this is who he is.
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This is your transgender son.
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You have to go along with this. if he is expressing discontent
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With his body and he wants to undergo the medical procedures,
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You must allow him to do so.
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Here's what i love about god.
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He's a redemptive-- who he is.
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I mean, if she'd never gone through any of that, i'm sure
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She'd have grown up, gone to college, had a great life.
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Now she has become like this trophy of god's grace who
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Speaks out for other children.
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It's beautiful.
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In fact, in the story that everyone can see is where she
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Has that realization.
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As a 16, 17 year old, she's had a double mastectomy at
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That point. she's taking hormone treatments to become as much as
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A boy as she can, and she sees a woman breastfeeding and it
00:30:08.396 --> 00:30:12.767
Triggered for her, what have i done to my body?
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I will never be able to do that, which i think is that
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Point of design.
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It's a realization of how god designed you and what has
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Happened to you now.
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And it's a, that's a tragedy.
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She will never recover from that because of those doctors,
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The psychiatrists.
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And i would only say to her, for her mom and dad, she's very
00:30:33.488 --> 00:30:36.224
Gentle with them because they were told they would have a
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Dead daughter or a live trans son.
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I mean, what a choice.
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What a choice.
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There's no choice.
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No, that's a sophie's choice right there.
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And he will make your paths straight.
00:30:45.333 --> 00:30:47.035
And i think these are stories that relate to that scripture.
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Yeah.
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What do you say to parents who have a child who comes up and
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Says, hey, mom, i think i'm
00:30:53.942 --> 00:30:55.543
This, hey, dad, i think i'm that?
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How do you help parents navigate those waters?
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Well, first of all, we need to be sympathetic because if a
00:31:00.648 --> 00:31:03.251
Parent, especially-- now, some of that tide has turned in our
00:31:03.251 --> 00:31:07.188
Culture and praise god that it has, and it has to do with
00:31:07.188 --> 00:31:10.024
Stories like chloe, is to understand that if a parent did
00:31:10.024 --> 00:31:13.928
Speak out, they were doing it all by themselves.
00:31:13.928 --> 00:31:17.398
In many cases, their doctors would abandon them.
00:31:17.398 --> 00:31:20.835
Any school officials or public officials would abandon them.
00:31:20.835 --> 00:31:25.540
Psychologists. in some places they were even threatened
00:31:25.540 --> 00:31:27.842
With loss of custody.
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I mean, this is a very, very difficult thing to do.
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But a brave new world.
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Well, it is, and it's terrible.
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But the most important thing is, is that parents are the
00:31:35.950 --> 00:31:41.155
Ones that god has designed to protect their kids.
00:31:41.155 --> 00:31:44.392
So you have to do this.
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Everything is at stake.
00:31:46.060 --> 00:31:47.395
You have to do this.
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Uh, second, um, get rid as much
00:31:48.696 --> 00:31:52.233
As possible of the other voices.
00:31:52.233 --> 00:31:54.535
I've talked to a number of parents who were in that very
00:31:54.535 --> 00:31:57.438
Situation, and one of the most important things they'll say
00:31:57.438 --> 00:32:01.509
That they did is they unplugged the cell phone.
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They removed social media.
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I talked to, uh, school leaders all the time.
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And i say, listen, if you had a creepy old man walking around
00:32:10.351 --> 00:32:13.554
Your school whispering terrible things into the ears of the
00:32:13.554 --> 00:32:16.290
Girls, would you stop him?
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Yes. that's what social media was for
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A lot of girls, and still is in many ways.
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We have to cut off the lies.
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And the third thing is, is be confident in the truth.
00:32:26.367 --> 00:32:30.304
No one knows your child as well as you do.
00:32:30.304 --> 00:32:34.075
You know it better than the experts.
00:32:34.075 --> 00:32:35.843
You know your child better than the teachers and the school
00:32:35.843 --> 00:32:38.579
Officials and the pretend authorities.
00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:40.681
You have to be the one to take that stand.
00:32:40.681 --> 00:32:43.684
That's one of the things about this film is that for
00:32:43.684 --> 00:32:47.055
Different christians in different situations, courage
00:32:47.055 --> 00:32:49.323
Is going to look different.
00:32:49.323 --> 00:32:50.792
And it's amazing how much that social pressure can make us
00:32:50.792 --> 00:32:56.064
Silent, even when so much is at stake.
00:32:56.064 --> 00:32:59.500
So we have to know the truth.
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We have to love the truth.
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And when we know and love the
00:33:03.438 --> 00:33:05.106
Truth, courage comes out of that.
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That's true.
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Can i add one thing being from focus on the family?
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Absolutely.
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It would be the relationship, what parents need to
00:33:12.046 --> 00:33:14.015
Concentrate on.
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I know you didn't have that in your father.
00:33:15.016 --> 00:33:16.651
I didn't have it in my father.
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But for a healthy, spiritually healthy mom and dad, have
00:33:18.820 --> 00:33:22.757
Relationship with your kids.
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They're not going to be perfect.
00:33:24.292 --> 00:33:25.493
They're going to blow it.
00:33:25.493 --> 00:33:26.727
We blow it as adults.
00:33:26.727 --> 00:33:28.396
So the goal there is to have a relationship of the nature in
00:33:28.396 --> 00:33:31.933
Which your child feels they can trust you by telling you things
00:33:31.933 --> 00:33:36.137
And asking for your input.
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And i think if a parent can develop that kind of nurturing
00:33:38.206 --> 00:33:41.309
Relationship with their son or
00:33:41.309 --> 00:33:43.211
Daughter, the rest falls into place.
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The medical process began with the use of puberty blockers and
00:33:46.147 --> 00:33:51.219
The administration of weekly injections of testosterone.
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And it started with the blockers first.
00:33:56.023 --> 00:33:58.593
So i was on a drug called lupron, um, which historically
00:33:58.593 --> 00:34:01.863
Has been used to treat late stage cancer or toddler onset
00:34:01.863 --> 00:34:07.668
Puberty or castrating sex offenders.
00:34:07.668 --> 00:34:10.805
And emotionally, while i was on this, i was a little numb.
00:34:10.805 --> 00:34:15.343
I found it very difficult to enjoy activities that i used to
00:34:15.343 --> 00:34:19.814
Like drawing or playing
00:34:19.814 --> 00:34:20.815
Video games or hanging out with friends.
00:34:20.815 --> 00:34:23.184
I just felt kind of dead inside.
00:34:23.184 --> 00:34:25.019
But when i began the testosterone, it was an
00:34:25.019 --> 00:34:28.022
Entirely different drug.
00:34:28.022 --> 00:34:29.757
Placing a 13 year old on a steroid makes for some
00:34:29.757 --> 00:34:36.197
Interesting results.
00:34:36.197 --> 00:34:37.899
So very rapid physical changes happened, and there also were
00:34:37.899 --> 00:34:42.303
Emotional and behavioral and psychological changes as well.
00:34:42.303 --> 00:34:45.039
It just completely changed the
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:46.107
Way that i experienced emotions.
00:34:46.107 --> 00:34:48.476
My surgery consultations began when i was 14 years old, and
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They went on for maybe about a year or less.
00:34:52.914 --> 00:34:56.217
I ended up going under the knife the summer just after
00:34:56.217 --> 00:34:59.587
My sophomore year. i was 15.
00:34:59.587 --> 00:35:02.356
I was not quite old enough yet to drive a car, but i could get
00:35:02.356 --> 00:35:08.729
My perfectly healthy breasts removed, and it was not easy.
00:35:08.729 --> 00:35:12.633
It was not an easy process to deal with or cope with at all.
00:35:12.633 --> 00:35:17.338
That marks the first point in my transition where i began to
00:35:17.338 --> 00:35:21.776
Feel like real, genuine grief and regret just flooding
00:35:21.776 --> 00:35:27.114
Through, like a storm.
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Regret and detransitioning were never spoken about during any
00:35:29.750 --> 00:35:36.357
Of the consultations for any of the treatments, not even to me
00:35:36.357 --> 00:35:40.761
After my mom and dad brought it up, but with how tough the
00:35:40.761 --> 00:35:45.900
Post-op process was, it really
00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:48.002
Just it woke up something in me.
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Something changed the day of surgery, and as soon as i woke
00:35:51.205 --> 00:35:54.775
Up and as soon as i went home, and once i had the stitches
00:35:54.775 --> 00:35:58.212
Taken out and i had to start taking care of the wounds and
00:35:58.212 --> 00:36:01.082
Looking down at that area of my chest, that area of my body and
00:36:01.082 --> 00:36:03.985
What was left in my breasts every single day,
00:36:03.985 --> 00:36:06.487
It was horrific.
00:36:06.487 --> 00:36:10.091
I couldn't stand what i was seeing.
00:36:10.091 --> 00:36:11.892
I was having a major identity crisis during this point.
00:36:11.892 --> 00:36:14.962
It was less than a year after my surgery and i started to
00:36:14.962 --> 00:36:18.599
Think like, in two years i am going to legally be an adult
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:23.371
And i'm going to have to start
00:36:23.371 --> 00:36:24.438
Asking myself, like, what about relationships?
00:36:24.438 --> 00:36:26.974
I hadn't had a boyfriend really by this point in time yet.
00:36:26.974 --> 00:36:31.245
So i started wondering, like, maybe i'll get married one day,
00:36:31.245 --> 00:36:36.817
But what's that going to look like?
00:36:36.817 --> 00:36:38.452
What are people going to call me?
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Because i'm still attracted to men.
00:36:39.620 --> 00:36:41.756
What would they call me?
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Wife or husband?
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And if we were to have kids,
00:36:43.824 --> 00:36:45.259
Which that'd be crazy to figure out, right?
00:36:45.259 --> 00:36:48.663
Like going off of hormones and trying to figure out, like, all
00:36:48.663 --> 00:36:52.199
The medical consequences that maybe for me and the child,
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:56.103
Would they call me mom or dad?
00:36:56.103 --> 00:36:58.472
Because i'm in this weird in-between role, and would that
00:36:58.472 --> 00:37:02.977
Even be healthy for them to grow up in an environment where
00:37:02.977 --> 00:37:05.613
They have a normal dad and then they have whatever i would be?
00:37:05.613 --> 00:37:11.686
And that was when it hit me that i not only
00:37:11.686 --> 00:37:16.524
Lost a major part of my adulthood,
00:37:16.524 --> 00:37:22.496
But potentially my future children
00:37:22.496 --> 00:37:26.701
Were losing something as well.
00:37:26.701 --> 00:37:29.970
And that was the moment of like, i can't go any further.
00:37:29.970 --> 00:37:33.174
I can't keep doing this to myself.
00:37:33.174 --> 00:37:35.176
This is destroying me. this is horrific.
00:37:35.176 --> 00:37:39.747
I don't even know if there is any going back, but i sure
00:37:39.747 --> 00:37:42.550
Am not going forward.
00:37:42.550 --> 00:37:45.286
And so i made the choice to detransition.
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If you're just joining us tonight, i have the privilege
00:37:47.822 --> 00:37:49.990
Of talking with jim daly of focus on the family and john
00:37:49.990 --> 00:37:52.760
Stonestreet, the colson center, and they have this incredible
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.664
New documentary called truth rising and stories of courage.
00:37:56.664 --> 00:38:02.670
I think it's-- one of the powerful things, having watched
00:38:02.670 --> 00:38:05.873
The documentary through twice and loving it, is that if you
00:38:05.873 --> 00:38:09.977
Talk to any of these people when they were younger and
00:38:09.977 --> 00:38:12.680
Said, do you have any idea what
00:38:12.680 --> 00:38:15.249
God is going to do through your life,
00:38:15.249 --> 00:38:17.151
I'm sure they wouldn't have had a clue.
00:38:17.151 --> 00:38:18.986
I agree.
00:38:18.986 --> 00:38:20.054
I mean, who has that understanding of what you
00:38:20.054 --> 00:38:23.724
Will become and what you might do for the lord?
00:38:23.724 --> 00:38:26.360
But it all takes being grounded in a relationship with christ.
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:30.164
That's where it starts.
00:38:30.164 --> 00:38:31.165
And then you watch the lord lay the path.
00:38:31.165 --> 00:38:33.634
You know, i love proverbs 3:5-6.
00:38:33.634 --> 00:38:36.170
Don't lean on your own understanding, but in all
00:38:36.170 --> 00:38:38.472
Your ways acknowledge him.
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I have this memory of my son.
00:38:40.107 --> 00:38:41.909
When i used to travel with something called women of
00:38:41.909 --> 00:38:44.011
Faith, and we did arena events and we'd had a celebration for
00:38:44.011 --> 00:38:47.181
One of our camera guys.
00:38:47.181 --> 00:38:48.616
It was his birthday and we'd had a huge chocolate cake, and
00:38:48.616 --> 00:38:50.818
My son was maybe five, and he had planted his face in the
00:38:50.818 --> 00:38:53.921
Frosting as any self-respecting five year old would.
00:38:53.921 --> 00:38:57.124
And my mother-in- law was with me.
00:38:57.124 --> 00:38:58.659
She was taking him back to the hotel to get a bath, and i had
00:38:58.659 --> 00:39:01.829
On a cream suit because i remember i never wore it again,
00:39:01.829 --> 00:39:05.299
Because they're about to introduce me on the platform
00:39:05.299 --> 00:39:07.201
And i hear this little voice behind me saying, mom.
00:39:07.201 --> 00:39:10.438
And i knew he just wanted one more hug, and i knew what was
00:39:10.438 --> 00:39:13.240
Going to happen.
00:39:13.240 --> 00:39:14.442
But i got down on my knees and i hugged him, and i got
00:39:14.442 --> 00:39:16.710
Frosting in my hair and frosting in my suit.
00:39:16.710 --> 00:39:19.079
That's why i love working with women, because they get that.
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.715
But my message was really intentional, because what i
00:39:21.715 --> 00:39:25.152
Wanted to say to my son was, don't clean yourself up to come
00:39:25.152 --> 00:39:27.988
To your mom because you don't clean yourself up
00:39:27.988 --> 00:39:29.356
To come to your father.
00:39:29.356 --> 00:39:30.791
You come as you are and you tell the truth.
00:39:30.791 --> 00:39:34.161
I think that's something that i see in a younger generation
00:39:34.161 --> 00:39:37.465
That i find very inspiring,
00:39:37.465 --> 00:39:39.633
Um, a desire for truth and
00:39:39.633 --> 00:39:41.802
Transparency, not pretend christianity.
00:39:41.802 --> 00:39:44.538
Well, and i think that's why
00:39:44.538 --> 00:39:45.639
The timing of all this is so good.
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.175
You know, this concept of truth rising, you know, the world's
00:39:48.175 --> 00:39:51.612
Dirt and satan's dirt is not going to cover the
00:39:51.612 --> 00:39:55.249
Truth of god for long.
00:39:55.249 --> 00:39:57.885
It just keeps rising above the
00:39:57.885 --> 00:40:00.387
Fray of the world and of our enemy.
00:40:00.387 --> 00:40:03.357
And that's why i think the message is perfect for this
00:40:03.357 --> 00:40:06.260
Time, because there's so much cloudiness when it comes to
00:40:06.260 --> 00:40:10.631
Truth, and there is truth.
00:40:10.631 --> 00:40:12.032
And in fact, the best line that chloe cole gives, i think, in
00:40:12.032 --> 00:40:16.036
The film, as a fairly new christian, i mean, a one year
00:40:16.036 --> 00:40:20.941
Old christian, she said, it's not your truth.
00:40:20.941 --> 00:40:24.044
My truth, it's jesus is the truth.
00:40:24.044 --> 00:40:27.114
Yeah. man, 60 year old
00:40:27.114 --> 00:40:29.116
Christians may not come to that conclusion.
00:40:29.116 --> 00:40:31.585
Yeah. but that is true.
00:40:31.585 --> 00:40:33.020
Yeah, absolutely.
00:40:33.020 --> 00:40:34.321
One of the things i love, what you do, um, the colson center,
00:40:34.321 --> 00:40:37.791
Is you've got some other resources available.
00:40:37.791 --> 00:40:40.327
Tell us about that.
00:40:40.327 --> 00:40:41.495
Well, one of the most important resources we've just
00:40:41.495 --> 00:40:43.564
Developed is what does it then look like to become a voice of
00:40:43.564 --> 00:40:46.567
Courage? like these stories
00:40:46.567 --> 00:40:48.435
That are highlighted in the documentary.
00:40:48.435 --> 00:40:50.938
And so after truth rising, the documentary is
00:40:50.938 --> 00:40:54.174
Truth rising, the study.
00:40:54.174 --> 00:40:55.576
It's just a simple way of thinking about what does it
00:40:55.576 --> 00:40:58.512
Mean to have a courageous faith with four important pillars
00:40:58.512 --> 00:41:01.549
Hope, truth, identity, calling.
00:41:01.549 --> 00:41:03.651
Hope tells us what's true about the moment.
00:41:03.651 --> 00:41:06.186
It's going to be easy to see some of the developments in our
00:41:06.186 --> 00:41:08.656
Culture and think all is lost, and that we are to despair.
00:41:08.656 --> 00:41:13.260
I loved what chuck colson used to always say, for the
00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:15.829
Christian despair is a sin because christ is risen
00:41:15.829 --> 00:41:19.133
From the grave. wow.
00:41:19.133 --> 00:41:20.734
So what does it mean to have hope even about a crazy
00:41:20.734 --> 00:41:23.037
Moment like this?
00:41:23.037 --> 00:41:24.505
Truth is, what we all have to ground our feet in.
00:41:24.505 --> 00:41:26.640
We'll never have courage if we don't actually believe that
00:41:26.640 --> 00:41:28.676
Christianity is true.
00:41:28.676 --> 00:41:30.277
And not just individual truths,
00:41:30.277 --> 00:41:32.046
But the true story of reality. identity,
00:41:32.046 --> 00:41:35.215
I mean, this is such a wonderful christian truth to
00:41:35.215 --> 00:41:39.486
Plant our feet on.
00:41:39.486 --> 00:41:40.921
Humans are made in the image and likeness of god, and that
00:41:40.921 --> 00:41:43.591
We are restored by christ to be the image bearers that god
00:41:43.591 --> 00:41:47.695
Created us to be.
00:41:47.695 --> 00:41:49.797
All the questions, the challenge that chloe had with
00:41:49.797 --> 00:41:54.234
Gender dysphoria, and we can think about it in terms of the
00:41:54.234 --> 00:41:57.805
Entire lgbtq movement and all that,
00:41:57.805 --> 00:42:00.040
These are all identity crises.
00:42:00.040 --> 00:42:02.109
So we're in a moment of an identity crisis.
00:42:02.109 --> 00:42:05.179
Good news.
00:42:05.179 --> 00:42:06.447
The bible gives us the best description of what it means to
00:42:06.447 --> 00:42:09.016
Be human, of any on the market, that we're made in the image
00:42:09.016 --> 00:42:12.019
And likeness of god. and then finally calling.
00:42:12.019 --> 00:42:14.188
And this was an important point for chuck colson.
00:42:14.188 --> 00:42:16.357
It's an important point for me.
00:42:16.357 --> 00:42:18.125
Sometimes we think, well, you know, it's jim dobson's or jim
00:42:18.125 --> 00:42:20.761
Daly's, you know, job to go out and defend christianity in the
00:42:20.761 --> 00:42:24.932
Public square, or it's, you know, you go to dc and that's
00:42:24.932 --> 00:42:27.768
Where it happens,
00:42:27.768 --> 00:42:28.702
Or hollywood, that's where it happens.
00:42:28.702 --> 00:42:30.504
Every christian is called to a particular time and place
00:42:30.504 --> 00:42:34.274
In human history.
00:42:34.274 --> 00:42:35.943
So that means we're called to be truth tellers, right now,
00:42:35.943 --> 00:42:40.114
All of us.
00:42:40.114 --> 00:42:41.348
And so that fourth pillar, hope, truth, identity, calling,
00:42:41.348 --> 00:42:45.052
Kind of helps people map out a game plan.
00:42:45.052 --> 00:42:47.788
And that's one of the most important resources i think we
00:42:47.788 --> 00:42:49.957
Can have, because it is time for the church to become the
00:42:49.957 --> 00:42:53.427
Truth tellers that god has called us to be.
00:42:53.427 --> 00:42:56.163
Throughout a lot of my formative years, i struggled to
00:42:56.163 --> 00:42:59.333
Find some sort of foundation to build myself off of, and by
00:42:59.333 --> 00:43:04.271
Beliefs and ideals off of, and throughout most of my
00:43:04.271 --> 00:43:10.544
Adolescence ended up-- it ended up becoming transgenderism
00:43:10.544 --> 00:43:14.181
That filled that gap.
00:43:14.181 --> 00:43:16.183
Once that fell through, i had to find something new.
00:43:16.183 --> 00:43:19.653
It wasn't until i began speaking out publicly
00:43:19.653 --> 00:43:23.824
That i started going on this advocacy journey that i've
00:43:23.824 --> 00:43:28.295
Connected with a bunch of different christians, both
00:43:28.295 --> 00:43:31.198
Individuals and groups and churches and pastors and
00:43:31.198 --> 00:43:33.901
Other leaders who have
00:43:33.901 --> 00:43:37.504
Not only given me a place of comfort, where i know i'm loved
00:43:37.504 --> 00:43:42.109
And appreciated, but also have challenged me in my old beliefs
00:43:42.109 --> 00:43:47.915
And my old values and everything that i knew before,
00:43:47.915 --> 00:43:50.951
And have guided me to the truth and gave me the word.
00:43:50.951 --> 00:43:56.423
Slowly over time,
00:43:56.423 --> 00:43:58.592
I started to realize that i wasn't a mistake, that i was
00:43:58.592 --> 00:44:04.164
Created perfectly the way that i was.
00:44:04.164 --> 00:44:06.533
That my design was one lovingly made with full intention.
00:44:06.533 --> 00:44:12.740
And that's even the scars,
00:44:12.740 --> 00:44:16.076
The mental scars and the literal scars were beautiful.
00:44:16.076 --> 00:44:21.348
And if i had not gone through all of this, i wouldn't be
00:44:21.348 --> 00:44:25.719
Who i am today.
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:27.387
And it's that newfound faith that gives me a foundation not
00:44:27.387 --> 00:44:31.492
Only to ground myself and understand who i am and the
00:44:31.492 --> 00:44:37.197
People in the world around me, but also a reason to fight and
00:44:37.197 --> 00:44:42.569
A guidebook on how to carry myself throughout that fight.
00:44:42.569 --> 00:44:47.541
People will call me all sorts of things.
00:44:47.541 --> 00:44:50.210
They might call me an activist or perhaps an advocate.
00:44:50.210 --> 00:44:53.781
At the end of the day, i feel like it's something that's so
00:44:53.781 --> 00:44:56.049
Much bigger than that.
00:44:56.049 --> 00:44:57.518
It's the reclaiming of myself, of reality, and of extending my
00:44:57.518 --> 00:45:05.626
Hand out to other people who are suffering and bringing them
00:45:05.626 --> 00:45:10.798
Back to the truth as well.
00:45:10.798 --> 00:45:12.432
And ultimately, that has always been the core of my mission.
00:45:12.432 --> 00:45:16.236
I want to spread the truth.
00:45:16.236 --> 00:45:18.172
I want people to know what is going on in our world, with our
00:45:18.172 --> 00:45:24.478
Youth, with my generation and the ones that follow.
00:45:24.478 --> 00:45:27.714
I not only want to serve as a cautionary tale, but also as a
00:45:27.714 --> 00:45:32.519
Tale of triumph, because i am not just a tragedy.
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:37.191
I want to show people that there is life after transition,
00:45:37.191 --> 00:45:40.828
That there's life after any tragedy in one's life, that you
00:45:40.828 --> 00:45:45.032
Can live beyond whatever it is that you've lost, because there
00:45:45.032 --> 00:45:49.670
Is so much more to live and to fight for.
00:45:49.670 --> 00:45:52.472
I want to encourage other members of my generation to
00:45:52.472 --> 00:45:55.843
Find a purpose and to find an identity in the truth
00:45:55.843 --> 00:46:02.082
Because throughout the years, i've come to really just see
00:46:02.082 --> 00:46:07.087
The full consequences of the identity crisis that is
00:46:07.087 --> 00:46:11.258
Going on in my generation.
00:46:11.258 --> 00:46:13.627
I don't want to live in a world where i have to worry about my
00:46:13.627 --> 00:46:16.864
Nieces and nephews, or the children around me, in my
00:46:16.864 --> 00:46:19.800
Community, or my own future children and grandchildren
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:24.171
Going through what i did.
00:46:24.171 --> 00:46:25.639
I don't want them to know the pain that i have.
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:29.343
I don't want them to have their innocence or parts of their
00:46:29.343 --> 00:46:32.112
Bodies, or their health
00:46:32.112 --> 00:46:34.281
Compromised at such an early age.
00:46:34.281 --> 00:46:37.918
I want to share a world where
00:46:37.918 --> 00:46:41.655
Our children and the generations that follow mine,
00:46:41.655 --> 00:46:45.559
Can grow up safe and sound.
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:47.828
I am just so grateful that i've been given this purpose,
00:46:47.828 --> 00:46:53.734
That i have this gift now that allows me to transform all the
00:46:53.734 --> 00:47:00.407
Pain that i've been through and all the pain that my family has
00:47:00.407 --> 00:47:03.076
Been through to help others, to help other children, young men
00:47:03.076 --> 00:47:08.081
And women and struggling families, and to make sure that
00:47:08.081 --> 00:47:13.020
What happened to me
00:47:13.020 --> 00:47:15.055
Will no longer repeat itself ever again.
00:47:15.055 --> 00:47:18.091
I'm thinking of.
00:47:18.091 --> 00:47:19.159
Families watching a home right now,
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:20.527
You know, mary in minnesota, you know, sam and sarasota who
00:47:20.527 --> 00:47:25.265
Think, well, what can i do?
00:47:25.265 --> 00:47:26.867
What would your message from this documentary, from truth
00:47:26.867 --> 00:47:29.503
Rising be to a mom or a dad or someone who's just watching and
00:47:29.503 --> 00:47:34.474
Thinking, well, how does that apply to me?
00:47:34.474 --> 00:47:36.410
Yeah, it doesn't have to be an
00:47:36.410 --> 00:47:38.245
Engagement that requires a big manual.
00:47:38.245 --> 00:47:40.914
Read the word, know the word,
00:47:40.914 --> 00:47:42.649
Apply the word to your everyday life.
00:47:42.649 --> 00:47:44.885
You know, we just completed a marriage survey in the us.
00:47:44.885 --> 00:47:50.190
The weakest marriages are what
00:47:50.190 --> 00:47:54.127
I would call kind of light christianity.
00:47:54.127 --> 00:47:58.131
They don't read the word, they
00:47:58.131 --> 00:47:59.199
Don't pray, they don't go to church.
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:00.701
But they have an affiliation to christianity.
00:48:00.701 --> 00:48:04.071
The best marriages, the healthiest marriages are those
00:48:04.071 --> 00:48:07.507
That are convictional christian.
00:48:07.507 --> 00:48:09.509
They read with their spouse, read the word, pray together,
00:48:09.509 --> 00:48:13.013
Go to church together on a regular basis.
00:48:13.013 --> 00:48:15.716
Those marriages are the healthiest marriages.
00:48:15.716 --> 00:48:18.518
But you have to apply the word in order to receive the
00:48:18.518 --> 00:48:22.089
Benefits of the word, right?
00:48:22.089 --> 00:48:23.523
The blessings of the lord.
00:48:23.523 --> 00:48:24.992
I think that's true of all of our lives. whether it's
00:48:24.992 --> 00:48:27.160
Engaging the culture on truth,
00:48:27.160 --> 00:48:28.795
It doesn't have to be a big thing.
00:48:28.795 --> 00:48:30.163
It's just do that in incremental steps.
00:48:30.163 --> 00:48:33.533
Do it with your children at their school.
00:48:33.533 --> 00:48:35.535
Be part of the school board. yeah.
00:48:35.535 --> 00:48:37.437
You know, wherever you can show up.
00:48:37.437 --> 00:48:38.805
I taped a program the other day with a woman who's working in
00:48:38.805 --> 00:48:42.109
Four states with something like release time, back to school.
00:48:42.109 --> 00:48:47.180
And uh, what she said to me was the supreme court has already
00:48:47.180 --> 00:48:51.752
Ruled on this several times.
00:48:51.752 --> 00:48:53.086
It's legal,
00:48:53.086 --> 00:48:54.654
Every every state, all 50 states that schools, public
00:48:54.654 --> 00:48:59.292
Schools need to release kids where parents opt the child in.
00:48:59.292 --> 00:49:03.864
They transport the child to a church nearby the school.
00:49:03.864 --> 00:49:06.700
They do an hour of release time and you cannot
00:49:06.700 --> 00:49:11.972
Sue the school for that.
00:49:11.972 --> 00:49:13.607
Why isn't every elementary school--
00:49:13.607 --> 00:49:15.509
Why don't we have release time at every elementary?
00:49:15.509 --> 00:49:17.444
I didn't even know there was such a thing.
00:49:17.444 --> 00:49:19.079
Exactly. i told the woman, this was yesterday,
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.682
I said, when i retire from focus, i'm going to do this
00:49:22.682 --> 00:49:25.085
Full time for colorado springs.
00:49:25.085 --> 00:49:27.254
Wow. so that's an example.
00:49:27.254 --> 00:49:28.789
It sounds like a big job, but just pick one school and go do
00:49:28.789 --> 00:49:32.592
Release time for these 12,13 kids that are going to be
00:49:32.592 --> 00:49:35.162
Part of it.
00:49:35.162 --> 00:49:36.063
And one of them might be a
00:49:36.063 --> 00:49:37.798
Future president or somebody else.
00:49:37.798 --> 00:49:40.500
You never know.
00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:41.735
I think that's one of the most amazing things about the
00:49:41.735 --> 00:49:44.237
Kingdom of god that he will choose people from all sorts of
00:49:44.237 --> 00:49:48.075
Different walks of life who
00:49:48.075 --> 00:49:49.743
Feel ill equipped to be significant.
00:49:49.743 --> 00:49:53.447
And yet, when they understand that it's-- i'm thinking of what
00:49:53.447 --> 00:49:57.017
Would you say to believers who think, well, that's all great,
00:49:57.017 --> 00:49:59.519
But i don't want to come across as an unloving christian.
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.622
You can do both.
00:50:02.622 --> 00:50:03.924
I've done it with the lgbtq community.
00:50:03.924 --> 00:50:06.660
We work together on sex trafficking in colorado.
00:50:06.660 --> 00:50:09.463
I had the idea.
00:50:09.463 --> 00:50:10.363
I called the gill foundation there.
00:50:10.363 --> 00:50:13.033
Contract lobbyist worked with me, a homosexual man, and we
00:50:13.033 --> 00:50:17.104
Were able to improve the laws
00:50:17.104 --> 00:50:18.638
Against sex trafficking in colorado.
00:50:18.638 --> 00:50:20.941
And from that, a deep relationship was born.
00:50:20.941 --> 00:50:23.410
And i consider him a friend and somebody who is curious
00:50:23.410 --> 00:50:26.146
About the lord now.
00:50:26.146 --> 00:50:27.447
He said, you know what i hate about you?
00:50:27.447 --> 00:50:29.649
You keep moving me closer to god.
00:50:29.649 --> 00:50:32.119
And i looked at him and said, that's my job.
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.287
It's the biggest compliment you could have paid me, dude.
00:50:34.287 --> 00:50:36.590
And i so appreciate it.
00:50:36.590 --> 00:50:37.958
But just be genuine. yeah.
00:50:37.958 --> 00:50:41.228
Be who you are.
00:50:41.228 --> 00:50:42.429
Know the word.
00:50:42.429 --> 00:50:43.396
Apply the word and love your fellow man.
00:50:43.396 --> 00:50:46.333
And in that is also truth.
00:50:46.333 --> 00:50:48.535
And it's interesting to me that scripture tells us that
00:50:48.535 --> 00:50:52.439
Jesus is truth.
00:50:52.439 --> 00:50:53.740
Jesus said, i am the way, i am the truth, and that he is love.
00:50:53.740 --> 00:50:57.444
So if we think that there's a conflict between truth and
00:50:57.444 --> 00:51:00.480
Love-- which we feel it, we sense it.
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:02.682
Our world thinks that, right?
00:51:02.682 --> 00:51:04.151
Like, if you love anyone, you will never tell them the truth
00:51:04.151 --> 00:51:06.820
If it hurts their feelings.
00:51:06.820 --> 00:51:08.355
And then if something is true, then it's actually unloving.
00:51:08.355 --> 00:51:12.259
I mean, the world pits
00:51:12.259 --> 00:51:14.127
These two things against each other.
00:51:14.127 --> 00:51:16.196
But the bible tells us that
00:51:16.196 --> 00:51:17.397
Jesus is the source of both of them.
00:51:17.397 --> 00:51:19.566
So if we think there's a conflict between truth and
00:51:19.566 --> 00:51:22.402
Love, then there's something wrong with our theology, right?
00:51:22.402 --> 00:51:26.373
We have to rethink that because it is possible.
00:51:26.373 --> 00:51:29.075
You know those two things together.
00:51:29.075 --> 00:51:30.210
I've noticed when you're engaging people that might
00:51:30.210 --> 00:51:32.546
Oppose christianity, if you're sincere with them and you
00:51:32.546 --> 00:51:35.649
Listen to them, i think it's something in the way that god
00:51:35.649 --> 00:51:39.019
Has created us, all of us, not just christian, but all humans
00:51:39.019 --> 00:51:42.689
In his image, there's something that unlocks their heart.
00:51:42.689 --> 00:51:46.860
Their heart cracks open
00:51:46.860 --> 00:51:49.296
If you're sincere, you truly love them, and you speak
00:51:49.296 --> 00:51:51.965
The truth to them.
00:51:51.965 --> 00:51:53.700
It doesn't mean there won't be some cost.
00:51:53.700 --> 00:51:55.769
Right. i mean, some of the
00:51:55.769 --> 00:51:56.803
Stories that we tell in the film,
00:51:56.803 --> 00:51:58.338
I'm thinking of jack phillips, the baker, one of the nicest
00:51:58.338 --> 00:52:01.608
Guys that i've ever met.
00:52:01.608 --> 00:52:02.809
There's not a nicer person on the planet.
00:52:02.809 --> 00:52:04.811
I'm sure there might be, but i have not met him.
00:52:04.811 --> 00:52:06.546
Jack is the one for me, and he did it right.
00:52:06.546 --> 00:52:09.783
He was very loving and he paid a very, very steep price
00:52:09.783 --> 00:52:14.187
That went on for over a decade for that.
00:52:14.187 --> 00:52:17.123
And, you know, that's some of the things, though,
00:52:17.123 --> 00:52:18.825
That jesus talks about.
00:52:18.825 --> 00:52:20.026
We have to count the cost for what we're going to do.
00:52:20.026 --> 00:52:23.129
But i know, jack, i know looking back at how god has
00:52:23.129 --> 00:52:27.033
Used his act of obedience on a national level, on a personal
00:52:27.033 --> 00:52:32.772
Level, with individuals who have found the lord because of
00:52:32.772 --> 00:52:36.109
His act of courage, that he'd do it again in a heartbeat.
00:52:36.109 --> 00:52:39.045
Wow. he's a sweet man.
00:52:39.045 --> 00:52:40.780
If you're a mom, if you're a dad, you're a grandparent,
00:52:40.780 --> 00:52:43.750
There's a generation of children growing up, and god
00:52:43.750 --> 00:52:46.553
Has called us to be a covering to them that we should be, to
00:52:46.553 --> 00:52:50.924
Speak up for them, to give them a voice.
00:52:50.924 --> 00:52:53.126
So i'm going to ask you to do, jim, is i'm going to ask you if
00:52:53.126 --> 00:52:55.962
You pray for young people in our culture, for those who are
00:52:55.962 --> 00:52:59.933
Struggling up, struggling in school and just struggling with
00:52:59.933 --> 00:53:03.670
Who they are, a lot of broken families, a lot of divorced
00:53:03.670 --> 00:53:06.873
Families, and sometimes kids just don't know where they want
00:53:06.873 --> 00:53:09.175
To belong somewhere.
00:53:09.175 --> 00:53:10.910
But i want to ask you, as a dad, to pray for young people
00:53:10.910 --> 00:53:14.814
Who are struggling. i'd love to.
00:53:14.814 --> 00:53:16.549
Let's pray.
00:53:16.549 --> 00:53:18.018
Father, we're grateful that you have created each and every
00:53:18.018 --> 00:53:21.187
Human being in your image.
00:53:21.187 --> 00:53:22.756
And, lord, that you're the author of identity.
00:53:22.756 --> 00:53:27.193
And i pray for this generation of young people, lord, for
00:53:27.193 --> 00:53:30.397
Their heart, for their soul, for their emotions in a land
00:53:30.397 --> 00:53:33.933
Where they have so much and yet spiritually, they're bankrupt
00:53:33.933 --> 00:53:38.305
In so many ways with identity.
00:53:38.305 --> 00:53:41.107
Help them to know that you love them.
00:53:41.107 --> 00:53:43.143
Help us to be able to share that and to show the love
00:53:43.143 --> 00:53:46.680
That you have for them.
00:53:46.680 --> 00:53:48.315
And lord, i do rejoice that this generation coming up has
00:53:48.315 --> 00:53:52.485
An appetite for truth.
00:53:52.485 --> 00:53:54.387
May your truth be on display.
00:53:54.387 --> 00:53:56.323
May it be like a magnet that draws them to you, especially
00:53:56.323 --> 00:54:00.160
In this world of chaos.
00:54:00.160 --> 00:54:01.528
Lord, when sin entered the world, chaos entered the world.
00:54:01.528 --> 00:54:05.632
But you came and brought shalom, your peace.
00:54:05.632 --> 00:54:09.269
May they taste it, may they experience it, and may they be
00:54:09.269 --> 00:54:12.906
Drawn to you.
00:54:12.906 --> 00:54:13.907
And may this generation coming
00:54:13.907 --> 00:54:16.343
Be a powerful generation for you.
00:54:16.343 --> 00:54:19.646
And it's in christ's name we pray, amen.
00:54:19.646 --> 00:54:22.549
Amen. i have to tell you guys, when i got to watch the whole
00:54:22.549 --> 00:54:26.086
Of truth rising again, i watched it twice through the
00:54:26.086 --> 00:54:28.455
Whole way, and the one word i was left with was hope.
00:54:28.455 --> 00:54:31.825
I felt so much hope for for what god is doing.
00:54:31.825 --> 00:54:35.528
And i want to thank you both for investing your time and
00:54:35.528 --> 00:54:39.032
Your energy and finances into something like this.
00:54:39.032 --> 00:54:42.769
I can't wait for our audience to be able to watch the whole
00:54:42.769 --> 00:54:45.205
Documentary, truth rising.
00:54:45.205 --> 00:54:48.041
It's really it's phenomenal.
00:54:48.041 --> 00:54:50.310
And i believe we are starting to see the tide turning.
00:54:50.310 --> 00:54:54.214
And here's what i love, people.
00:54:54.214 --> 00:54:56.149
It starts with you and me.
00:54:56.149 --> 00:54:58.218
It just starts with us saying, i've got a tattoo,
00:54:58.218 --> 00:55:00.520
Which my mother would--
00:55:00.520 --> 00:55:02.589
I would say she's turning in her grave, but she's not.
00:55:02.589 --> 00:55:04.324
She's home with jesus.
00:55:04.324 --> 00:55:05.692
But i have a tattoo in my wrist that says, yes, lord.
00:55:05.692 --> 00:55:08.161
And that's all it takes, you know?
00:55:08.161 --> 00:55:10.163
It's simply waking up every day and say, today, lord,
00:55:10.163 --> 00:55:12.699
I say yes to you.
00:55:12.699 --> 00:55:14.334
And god will do all sorts of things.
00:55:14.334 --> 00:55:16.636
♪♪
00:55:16.636 --> 00:55:16.636

Chloe Cole: Courageous Christians | Praise

January 27, 2026 | 55:34

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