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June 26, 2025 | 57:0

Sheila Walsh hosts Colby Barrett for a heartfelt discussion about the new documentary A Faith Under Siege. They explore the impact of the Ukrainian war on the lives and faith of the Ukrainian people.

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Praise | Colby Barrett: A Faith Under Siege | Praise | June 26, 2025

Sheila walsh: i've never done a show like this before, and i
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Don't want you to miss a single moment.
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Wherever your family are, would you gather them together and
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Join us for this very important program?
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Male: i've been a united states marine, been a special forces
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Green beret.
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I never met fear until i came to ukraine.
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Female: russian forces are closing churches and
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Persecuting christians.
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Male: the soldiers stopped worship service, they
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Arrested me.
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Male: they destroyed hundreds church.
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Male: [speaking in ukrainian]
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Male: russia is torturing and murdering ukrainian christians
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For their faith.
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Colby barrett: this is good versus evil.
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♪♪♪
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Male announcer: tonight on "praise."
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From dallas, entrepreneur, engineer, and filmmaker
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Colby barrett.
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And now your host, sheila walsh.
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Sheila: as you know, we live in a time of tremendous
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Communication, information overload.
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We hear about things happening all the time, all over
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The world.
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But what i wanna ask you, as god's family, as part of the
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Body of christ, when you hear something that you think if this
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Was happening in my neighborhood, i would be
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Standing right beside those people, how does that make
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You feel?
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We're about to talk about something that is happening
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Right now where our brothers and sisters around the world
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Probably literally on their knees asking god, "please, god,
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Will you intervene?
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Will you shine your glory?"
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But as church history has proved, so often when things are
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The worst, then somehow the holy spirit through his people
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Shines the brightest.
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We're gonna talk about an incredible new movie.
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Watch this.
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Male: i've been a united states marine, a police officer for 15
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Years, been a special forces green beret.
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I never met fear until i came to ukraine.
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Male: many evangelical churches absolutely destroyed.
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Male: the devil knew exactly how to attack.
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Colby: once i came to ukraine and saw what's going on here,
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This is good versus evil.
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Female: russian forces are closing churches and
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Persecuting christians.
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Male: all across russian-occupied ukraine,
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Soldiers are shutting down places of worship.
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Female: vladimir putin not only wants to control ukrainian
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Territory, he also intends to silence the church and take away
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Religious freedom.
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Male: the soldiers came to church.
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They stopped worship service. they arrested me.
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They church, my home.
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Female: [speaking in ukrainian]
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Male: they destroyed many, many hundreds church.
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Male: [speaking in ukrainian]
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Male: if people knew about what was really happening, that
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Russia is torturing and murdering ukrainian christians
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For their faith.
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Male: it is a war crime.
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Colby: why does russia hate evangelical christians?
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Pavlo unguryan: they afraid.
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Our churches never want to be under government, under
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Communistic party, under kgb, under dictatorship regime.
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Russia persecute evangelicals because we have just one leader.
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It's jesus christ.
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Colby: wow.
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Christian hickey: an american who is far removed from the war
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May not think that it matters who wins or loses in ukraine.
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But we see evil happening, and we don't want that evil
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To triumph.
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Colby: america's role, the christian role in this struggle
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Is so critical.
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Male: we come to minister to them, to see them, to listen
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To them.
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Christian: i'm not here on behalf of the united
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States government.
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I'm just a faithful servant of jesus christ coming to support
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You and be alongside you.
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Colby: the faith of the people of ukraine is
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Absolutely amazing.
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Male: [speaking in ukrainian]
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Karl ahlgren: they're rebuilding their cities.
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They're rebuilding their lives and their churches.
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Male: [speaking in ukrainian]
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Male: we have a duty to these folks that are on the front
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Lines defending religious freedom.
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Male: this is an audio bible.
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You come get one too.
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Christian: the bible says that what's right and wrong is
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Written on your heart.
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And so, if you know that there's something you can do to affect
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Change, save lives, then just do it.
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Sheila: you'd think it would be headlines on the news every
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Single night.
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You'd think everywhere we turned at the moment we would hear
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These stories, but we are not, and that is why here at tbn, on
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"praise," we're gonna show you exactly what's happening and
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Introduce you to this amazing gentleman, his name's colby
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Barrett, who produced this phenomenal movie.
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But i just wanted to let people know a little bit about you
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First, colby, because it's really--you're entrepreneur,
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But it says you're a philanthropreneur.
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What does that mean?
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Colby: it's basically setting up businesses that not only create
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Profit, but also do good in the world.
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Sheila: wow, a farmer, a filmmaker, and former captain in
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The us marine corps.
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Thank you for your service.
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Colby: thank you, sheila, and thank you for having us
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On today.
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It's such a big deal to get awareness and prayer towards
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This issue.
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I can't thank you enough for having me on.
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Sheila: oh gosh, it's totally our honor here at tbn.
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But tell me, how did you become aware of what was going on?
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Colby: i was asked to join an aid convoy this summer, this
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Past summer.
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We also run a farm, we were right in the middle of harvest,
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I was very busy with business, i've got four kids, so i had
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A myriad of excuses on why i couldn't go.
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But i felt that call, that tug, that holy spirit tug.
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I'm not fortunate enough to hear the voice of god, but i do feel
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The tug.
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And this was a strong pull to go.
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Once we decided to actually head out and go to ukraine to help
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With aid, we started doing some research on what was happening
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There, particularly the christians.
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And it absolutely blew my mind.
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It didn't seem believable, and so i knew i needed to go there
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And see this and also go hear these stories and bring that
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Back to a us audience and to christians in america so they
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Could see what was really happening.
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Sheila: why do you think that the national news is not
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Covering this at all?
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Colby: i think there's a little bit of war fatigue.
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It's been three years.
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I also think it's--it--like, when i first looked at it,
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It did not seem believable.
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And so, getting those statistics and those things out there may
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Be just hard for the media, but it's really troubling: 47
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Pastors and priests killed by russia, 650 churches destroyed,
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Shelled, or looted, 19,546 children abducted, ukrainian
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Children abducted into russia.
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It's absolutely heartbreaking.
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Sheila: now, when i think about situations like that and when i
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Imagine if something like that happened on our shore, i wonder
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What it would do to our faith here in america to face that
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Kind of persecution.
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What are you discovering amongst the believers in ukraine?
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Colby: it was a faith bootcamp for me going over there.
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When you look at, you know, our foundational document is the
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New testament, right?
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And you have to look at what are the conditions that were like
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That, and it was a small group of persecuted believers really
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Being hunted by a big empire that did not like them at all.
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But what did they do?
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They met that with defiance and with love and compassion and
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Help for each other and their community, and that's exactly
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What you see.
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So, i always say it's almost like having a time machine to go
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Back to the new testament to go find and spend time with
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These people.
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It's--it was absolutely uplifting.
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Sheila: wow, so we'd love to give you a little look as to
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What is happening to our brothers and sisters, to faith
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In ukraine.
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Watch this.
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[church bell tolling]
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♪♪♪
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Karl: there's nothing quite like stepping into a church service
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In ukraine.
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Even after three years of war, they're thankful.
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They're so so thankful.
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I've fallen in love with the ukrainian people, their will,
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Just their spirit about them.
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What i have found in being here, it brings about the opportunity
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For you to be transformed, not just as a person,
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But spiritually.
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Colby: this trip has been a faith bootcamp for me.
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Seeing the way these christians in ukraine have behaved amongst
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Intolerable suffering, absolutely intolerable
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Suffering, the way that they've reacted, the lack of fear, the
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Love that they have for their community, in some ways, i
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Shouldn't be surprised.
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The new testament was written during a time of persecution of
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The church, when evil authorities and really the whole
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World was organized against the nascent christian community.
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And that's exactly what these folks were facing in the
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Occupied territories, and their response has been just like the
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1st century christians.
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They've responded with action, they've responded with love, and
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They've responded with a lack of fear that i find
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Frankly overwhelming.
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♪♪♪
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[singing in ukrainian]
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[singing in ukrainian]
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Colby: when the soviet union collapsed, there was a real
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Hunger for christianity, and protestant christianity in
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Particular in ukraine, and it took off.
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It's been called the bible belt of the former soviet republics.
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And we saw that over there.
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There's a very, very strong faith infrastructure.
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♪♪♪
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Colby: we also saw this in the actions of the
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Ukrainian government.
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The ukrainian government established a chaplain corps.
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They've basically established different industries and jobs
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That are critical, and being a pastor is deemed critical.
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When you look that they were communists, you know, in 1991,
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It's not that long ago they were in a place where there was
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Supposed to be no religion whatsoever, and they've gone
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From that to flourishing chaplaincy corps and exempting
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Pastors from military service.
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That's huge.
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That's coming from a recognition by their government that there's
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Something there, there's something that's protecting them
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Against the russians.
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Viktor: bless them to stay strong before the guns.
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Christian: christianity has exploded in this country.
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So many people have come to know christ through this war, because
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They've seen things.
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They've seen miracles, they've seen things they don't--they
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Can't explain, and god has revealed himself in it just like
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He did in the old testament, just like jesus prophesied in
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The new testament, and as we're living today.
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♪ jesus.
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♪ his name is jesus.
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♪ his name is father, father. ♪
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Christian: being inside churches in ukraine, i was struck by how
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Familiar it felt.
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Like, it could have been right down the road in my
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Own hometown.
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The people there could be any of us, brothers and sisters
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In faith.
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They pray like we do, they worship like we do.
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But in the midst of war, yeah, you can see just how much deeper
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That peace and refuge from god truly means.
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Male: god, you're the same god that walked with us in 2022,
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'23, and '24, god.
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Lord, i just pray that we would recognize your power, your hand
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In our lives.
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I pray that you would recognize--that we would
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Recognize what you wanted, what you want for us so that we can
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Continue in seeking your will, your wisdom.
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Karl: heavenly father, we thank you for viktor.
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We thank you for how strong his faith is.
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Colby: part of our trip is to come here and to share that good
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News that their brothers and sisters over the seas are
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Thinking about them, that we're praying for them, and we stand
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In solidarity with them as they suffer.
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But i had no idea on how much i would be getting back from
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These folks.
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They've strengthened my faith.
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We've prayed for them, but they've volunteered to pray for
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Us as we travel for our safety, for us to be able to tell
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This story.
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Witnessing their faith has profoundly changed everyone
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Involved in making this film.
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I just feel so blessed to have experienced that.
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Sheila: i just want to pause for a moment.
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Didn't that just look like your church on a sunday morning?
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People worshiping, people loving jesus, and then to see a soldier
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Come up with a gun.
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I mean, it's just, it's unthinkable, but it's happening,
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And that's why we are doing this program.
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Our guest, colby barrett, has this incredible movie called
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"a faith under siege."
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And, you know, i found myself thinking, colby, because i've
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Watched the movie, it's phenomenal.
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I mean, i had to tell you, i was in tears at the end.
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It was--and i think it was-- you said it was like a faith
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Wake-up call for you.
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I felt like it was a faith wake-up call watching
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Your movie.
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How has this--being aware of this changed your life?
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Colby: it's been such an impact on my faith, seeing what really
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Matters in life, right?
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What should we be clinging to and what is just noise?
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In ukraine, that's--they've separated out the noise and the
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Chaff from the--what really matters.
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And even making the movie, we had one of the guys that was
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With us was an iraq war veteran, and he told me in a moment of
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Confidence that he had lost his faith in iraq with what he
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Had seen.
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And he said making this movie and being with these christians
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Again, he's like, "colby, it's back," and that was just,
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I mean, i get a little worked up when i tell that story.
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And so, just being with these people that have to rely on god,
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They have to rely on god, not their own power, not their
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Own strength.
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It just rips away all the stuff that doesn't matter.
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Sheila: one of the phrases that stuck out to me in the piece
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That we just watched was the bible belt, buckle of the
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Bible belt?
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I think most people in the us don't know that.
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Colby: yeah, 85% of ukrainians are christians, and it's kind of
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Amazing, if you think, as the film says, you know, in 1991
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They were communist.
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Religion was illegal.
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Right, since that they've really grown in faith.
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And you'd see, especially before the war, huge gatherings.
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So, michael w. smith and franklin graham came to lviv,
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39,000 people worshiping there together.
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That's not safe anymore.
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And so, what you see as the russian invasion has progressed,
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The level of faith has increased, but the group sizes
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Have to be smaller, right?
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They've gone from 39,000 people in an amphitheater to churches
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That sometimes have to be underground because of the
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Constant missile and drone barrages.
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But they've not--they have not given up.
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Sheila: i remember being in kiev some years ago before the
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Russian invasion and being in a hall with 6,000 women, and a lot
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Of them young women, worshiping the lord, and i had no idea that
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What was just around the corner for them.
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Some people say, "well, what about the russian
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Orthodox church?
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You know, surely they're doing what they can to help."
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Colby: it's--when you look at the russian orthodox church,
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It's not a church in the same way that you and i
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Understand that.
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In russia, the church unfortunately has been mostly
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Co-opted by the state, so it's-- and a lot of the proclamations
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Are things that mostly serve the kremlin's narrative.
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So, one of the things that came out recently was the patriarch
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Of the russian orthodox church saying that if you die as
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A russian on the battlefield fighting ukraine, your sins will
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Be forgiven, right?
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We know as christians there's only one way to have your sins
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Forgiven, right, and it's not death on a battlefield,
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So that's just an example.
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And so, i really pray for the people of russia, for the
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Christians in russia, because their kind of only option for
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A christian church is one that isn't free.
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And so, and that's what's being brought into ukraine, so these
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Rules around being able to preach the gospel since 2016
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Under the yarovaya laws, it's been illegal to preach the
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Gospel publicly in russia.
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Nobody hears about this.
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Primarily evangelicals that are prosecuted under those laws, and
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Those laws now apply to the occupied territories in ukraine,
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And so it's really tough to see.
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So, there is obviously a large christian population in russia,
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But that church is not able to stop this war.
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They've unfortunately kind of picked sides with the state.
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Sheila: isn't it interesting that because of christ's
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Sacrifice on the cross, as you said, he paid the bill in full,
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But that rather than--i often think when--because this is
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Clearly a battle between good and evil.
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I mean, this is demonic, clearly to me, it's demonic.
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But that trying to crush the faith, it's almost like
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Wine pressing.
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It's like what comes out is sweet wine.
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Colby: yeah, and there--it is a very intentional war on faith.
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Faith is very disruptive to authoritarian regimes, because
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As you saw from the film there, you know, we only have
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One leader.
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That's jesus.
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It's really hard to control christians, right, to get them
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To tell on their neighbor or do anything bad.
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We won't do that, because we have a leader that's above all
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Those things.
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So, for authoritarian regimes trying to control a new area,
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Faithful people are really scary, really scary to them, and
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That's why you see such bad things happening to them.
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Sheila: wow, it's so interesting.
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I think of when they said at one point here, "you can't pray in
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School," and i'm like, yeah, well, just try and stop.
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You know, people who love jesus will be praying.
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But what would you say to our viewers?
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Because if you're just joining me, i'm here with colby barrett
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And this incredible new movie that's called "a faith under
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Siege," all about what's happening to our brothers and
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Sisters in ukraine.
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What would you say to people who say, "well, i'm really sorry
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That's happening, but that doesn't really impact me"?
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Colby: i think that's what we've heard a little bit.
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But if you look at the bible, it's very clear what--how we
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Should feel when christians are suffering.
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In 1 corinthians paul talks about all of us as a body of
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Christ, as an actual literal body, hands, feet, arms.
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And so, maybe you would say, "ukraine, well, that's far away,
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So it's my pinky," right?
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Well, if you ever put your pinky on a hot stove, what is the
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Body's reaction?
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The body's reaction is twofold.
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First, you scream out.
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You feel pain and you scream out.
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And then you remove that pinky from the stove.
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And that's why the analogy-- paul uses that analogy, and
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That's exactly--so you say, okay, these ukrainians
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Are suffering.
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We need to scream out, we need to care, we cannot be
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Indifferent, and then we can do whatever we can to remove
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That pain.
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Sheila: did you get to meet with people who have lost someone
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During this war?
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Colby: almost everybody we met lost someone.
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And we met with many fathers that had lost their entire
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Families in missile and drone attacks.
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Unfortunately, those stories are just all too common, and you get
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Closer to the front lines, especially where russia has
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Occupied, the stories of loss are even more horrific, and the
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Stories of torture.
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In kherson in particular, everyone in that city knows
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Someone or has been themselves tortured by the russians.
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It's being--it's called being taken to the basement is the
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Euphemism, which it took us a while to understand that because
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People would keep saying, "i was taken to the basement or my wife
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Or daughter was taken to the basement."
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We finally understood what that meant.
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Sheila: there was a statistic mentioned, or perhaps you
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Mentioned about the number of children that have disappeared.
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Talk to us about that.
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Colby: so, the official number that the ukrainian government
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Knows about is 19,546 children abducted into russia.
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There's a series of 43 camps that have been set up for these
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Kids, to re-educate or indoctrinate and then militarize
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A lot of these kids.
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Often the step is one camp to kind of re-educate, and then
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They move on to a military training camp.
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Many of these kids are pushed back to fight against
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Their country.
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And, you know, unfortunately the stories you hear, we were
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Actually able to sit down with some of these kids.
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Talk about brave.
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I told one of the kids, rostislav, i was like, "i served
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In the marine corps.
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I served a lot of brave men.
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You, my friend, are brave."
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And so, it's just--it's just horrible what's happening there.
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It is really the theft of an entire generation
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Of that country.
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Sheila: are they children that have lost their parents?
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Colby: some are, some are orphans.
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If you look at the number of children, kind of not where they
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Want to be, even with parents, the number's more like 700,000.
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Sheila: oh my gosh, wow.
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When you were there and you got to meet with so many different
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People, is it the same with young people?
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Are their--is their faith strong as well as those who've
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Walked with the lord for maybe 40, 50 years?
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Colby: you know, faith, free faith is kind of new in
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Ukraine, right?
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Since communism fell, it's this new thing.
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I think you see that hunger across generations.
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And that's the word i would use for the way ukrainians
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Approach faith.
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It's just an absolute hunger.
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They passed a law recently mandating that every battalion
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Have a chaplain.
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But that's new.
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So, you think about the soviet army, they don't have
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Chaplains, right?
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And so, the fact that they have a chaplain corps now, the issue
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Is there's not enough chaplains.
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So, there's that hunger to have those people serve.
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And you see this across generations.
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The churches we went into, it would be the same as if you were
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In dallas.
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It's young people and old people.
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And some of the music there i think has us beat.
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I don't understand ukrainian, but some of the praise music
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There was absolutely fantastic.
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Sheila: because it costs.
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Colby: it does, and it's coming from a heart of surrender, if
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That's the word i would use.
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Sheila: take us with you into the church service in ukraine.
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What did you experience?
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Colby: this was probably one of the most emotional parts of
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The trip.
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We had been in kiev for a while.
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There's constant air raid alerts, and so, you know, coming
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From my home in colorado where it's very safe to a place that
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Has a lot of danger, i felt very, very far from my home.
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I wasn't able to call my wife and kids very much due to all
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The filming schedule and some of the risks.
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We came into an evangelical church there on the outskirts of
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Kiev, and i just lost it.
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I mean, it was pure waterworks.
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And the reason was i felt like i was coming home.
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It felt like when you walk in your front door and open that
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Door and you come in, it's not just what you see, it's that
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Feeling of home.
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And it--i cried through the whole service.
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I did not want to leave that place because i felt like i had
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Been magically transported to colorado, opening my own front
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Door, so.
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Sheila: some of you might be tempted to ask, "well, in the
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Midst of that chaos, you know, where's god showing up?
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Are there any miracles?"
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Well, let me introduce you to viktor so you can see and hear
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With your very own eyes and ears.
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Colby: christians know the story of paul walking out of the
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Roman jail.
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What do you think about what happened when you left
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Russian captivity?
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Viktor: it was a miracle.
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In 2014, i was serving as a volunteer, evacuating people
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From luhansk on the east of ukraine.
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Svitlana: it was very dangerous, and that level of danger was
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Increasing day after day.
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We decided that we should left our home, because in that year
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Our son was one years old.
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My husband never left luhansk.
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Viktor: i saved 37 people.
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Most of them were children and women.
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Svitlana: he always tried to help, and this is in his heart.
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Viktor: in august of 2014, russians stopped me on the road
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And captured me.
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In the next cell was a baptist who was captured on the road
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Because he is a baptist.
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I was praying with him and people in my cell, praying with
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Them just three times per day.
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I have no bible, so i will repeating words from bible, just
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What i remembered.
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One of the russian priests heard that, and he said because i am
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Evangelical christian, he have to cast out demons from me.
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He asked me to kiss the cross in the hand, and after that they
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Tased me with electricity, and they hit me with baseball bats,
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With hands, with legs, and they were simulating shooting at me
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As well.
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Rostyslav pavlenko: the russian orthodox church is effectively a
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Part of russian state efforts, part of russian mechanism
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Of aggression.
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They condemn the values of freedom.
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They condemn values of free speech.
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They think that all the world should live under russia.
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Pavlo: russian orthodox church declared holy war against west,
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Against america, but especially against ukraine.
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It's like jesus said, demons sometimes want to looks like
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Angels of light.
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Svitlana: russian hate, hate christian.
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♪♪♪
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Svitlana: i have no news about my husband for one week.
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After two weeks, i was totally desperate.
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Viktor: she left our son on the west of ukraine and came to
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Luhansk to find me.
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She went to the place where dead bodies were laying in luhansk,
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Didn't found me.
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Svitlana: i was praying every time, every day, and i got the
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Relevation from god.
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And he said, "you should do like esther from bible.
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You should come to some government institution and ask
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For your husband."
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When i visited, they came to me and said, "yes, your husband
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Here, but no, you cannot see him."
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They said, "we will keep him for whole war."
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They promised me.
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Viktor: that place was so dangerous.
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She came every day and didn't give up.
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Svitlana: i was crying because i was desperate, but i continued
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To stay in that place.
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Viktor: these people, russians, they came to my cell and were
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Saying that i will be there captured to the end of the war.
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I'll be there for ten years.
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I started fasting, and god gave me a revelation that next few
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Days i will be released.
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Svitlana: god created the hugest miracle in my life, because,
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I don't know why, but some russian passed me my husband.
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Viktor: just happens in 30 minutes.
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It was a miracle.
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Main officer who was in charge there, he released me.
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Svitlana: and first thought, it was in my mind that, "svitlana,
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You should took him and run away."
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Viktor: people wouldn't understand what is happening.
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I was there, and now i'm outside.
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At the beginning of full invasion, i became a
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Military chaplain.
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I was in the most dangerous places in ukraine, and god keep
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Me safe so many times.
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One time, my truck on the front line has been hit by russian
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Fpv drone.
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It was burning out, and i evacuated from the truck.
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It's blowed up.
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And we have no injuries at all because god kept us safe.
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♪♪♪
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I hope to god that god will keep me safe for my country.
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Svitlana: my husband is a very brave man, and it is important
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For him to protect our country and to serve god.
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Viktor: now i know you can be stronger when you are a servant
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To someone.
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Sheila: what a powerful statement.
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I love that she said that her husband is brave.
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But i have to tell you, she's a brave woman.
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She is a brave woman.
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And honestly, people, that's what happens when you're filled
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With the holy spirit and you love jesus and you're a follower
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Of christ, not just somebody who goes to church once a week, but
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Understands we're all in.
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And that--i think that's the thing.
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If you're just joining us, colby barrett, my guest today, has
00:31:41.489 --> 00:31:44.425
This incredible, incredible movie called "a faith
00:31:44.425 --> 00:31:47.528
Under siege."
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I think that's what struck me when i got to watch the movie--
00:31:49.163 --> 00:31:51.566
Which by the way, i think is just absolutely brilliant,
00:31:51.566 --> 00:31:54.068
Everyone needs to watch it--was it made me realize how shallow
00:31:54.068 --> 00:31:58.973
We are here in the states and how we argue.
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I mean, social media at the moment is driving me bonkers,
00:32:01.442 --> 00:32:04.545
Because we just argue about stupid things.
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But you feel like there faith is on the line, and you decide, i'm
00:32:06.948 --> 00:32:11.986
Either all in, i believe all, or i don't and i walk away.
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Colby: that's exactly right.
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Yeah, it's one of those places where it's--things are black
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And white, things are good and evil.
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There's a very clarifying concept with that, for sure.
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Sheila: absolutely, what would you say to people here in the
00:32:24.065 --> 00:32:27.602
States who say, "okay, this is an eye opener.
00:32:27.602 --> 00:32:29.871
I want to do something.
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What can i do?"
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Colby: that's a great question.
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So, the first thing is obviously prayer.
00:32:34.142 --> 00:32:35.476
On our website, faithundersiege.com, we have
00:32:35.476 --> 00:32:37.445
A variety of things that people might be called to do.
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We know that prayer can move mountains.
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That will be what ends this war.
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In my opinion, prayer will be what ends this.
00:32:44.452 --> 00:32:47.555
So, that's the most important thing anybody can do, especially
00:32:47.555 --> 00:32:51.192
As a christian.
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You can let your representatives know about what's going
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On there.
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There are nonprofits that are getting kids out of the russian
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Occupied territories, rescuing children.
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You can donate to those.
00:33:01.202 --> 00:33:03.137
As i mentioned, we've got a prayer guide.
00:33:03.137 --> 00:33:05.006
There's a variety of ways to help, and that's really what
00:33:05.006 --> 00:33:07.675
This movie is about, is to not only tell these stories and show
00:33:07.675 --> 00:33:12.613
Christians what's happening, but give them the information they
00:33:12.613 --> 00:33:15.483
Need so they can do something about it, right?
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All the way from prayer to taking action.
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One of the gentlemen in our film is christian hickey.
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He was called.
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He's a former marine, like me, but then also became
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A green beret.
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He was also a police officer for a while, just a fantastic,
00:33:28.463 --> 00:33:30.932
Fantastic human.
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He was called to go minister to the frontline troops, so he was
00:33:32.667 --> 00:33:36.471
Bringing audio bibles to these folks.
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And really, yeah, and it's just--so that was--that's what
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He was called to do.
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I was called to make this film.
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Some people will be called to pray, some people called to
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Donate, or, you know, one of the things i think is most important
00:33:46.581 --> 00:33:50.051
Is screening this movie in your church.
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Sheila: absolutely.
00:33:52.520 --> 00:33:54.255
You know, it's so interesting, after i watched the film, my
00:33:54.255 --> 00:33:56.357
Husband barry and i sat and watched it together, and i was
00:33:56.357 --> 00:33:59.427
In tears at the end of it.
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But here's--i saw this picture.
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I mean, i'm not given the great visions and things at all, but i
00:34:02.196 --> 00:34:05.233
Saw this picture, and it was like a map.
00:34:05.233 --> 00:34:07.034
It's like a world map, and i saw little sparks coming from
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Ukraine, lighting fires in different places, almost like
00:34:10.705 --> 00:34:14.709
A wake-up call for the church, saying, "this is what it looks
00:34:14.709 --> 00:34:17.578
Like to follow jesus."
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What's your prayer for this, the impact of this movie?
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Colby: that's such a great--i-- that's such an amazing way to
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Envision it, i think for two reasons.
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One is when christianity--when the cold war ended and
00:34:27.889 --> 00:34:31.993
Christianity could really come there, it not only took off in
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Ukraine, but it was the source of missionaries to all the
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Post-soviet republics.
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Actually, if you go back, not to get too big into history, but in
00:34:40.935 --> 00:34:43.638
About the year 988 christianity came to ukraine, and they used
00:34:43.638 --> 00:34:48.376
All the rivers there to spread it throughout the slavic world.
00:34:48.376 --> 00:34:51.879
So, this concept of christianity spreading from there in maybe
00:34:51.879 --> 00:34:57.285
Three waves, as you allude to, a long time ago, recently, and
00:34:57.285 --> 00:35:01.255
Right now.
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Seeing what christians are doing can be a motivating factor for
00:35:02.657 --> 00:35:06.928
Christians all over the world, seeing how they're behaving and
00:35:06.928 --> 00:35:10.097
How they're standing up to this unjust invasion and occupation.
00:35:10.097 --> 00:35:14.001
Sheila: you know, it's interesting, you talk about the
00:35:14.001 --> 00:35:15.870
Different streams.
00:35:15.870 --> 00:35:17.238
I had the privilege of being part of a group of people who
00:35:17.238 --> 00:35:19.207
Did the first christian concert in a former--in tallinn, in
00:35:19.207 --> 00:35:23.344
Estonia in, you know, and i remember we were giving out
00:35:23.344 --> 00:35:26.714
Bibles at the end, and there were soldiers at the back.
00:35:26.714 --> 00:35:29.483
They were kind of keeping an eye on us.
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But after everything was done this one soldier came up to me
00:35:31.085 --> 00:35:34.255
And asked was there a bible left?
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So yeah, i can just--i just see the way that the seeds, the
00:35:37.625 --> 00:35:42.263
Tears are falling into the soil.
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And there's some stories, in fact, you've got another clip
00:35:45.132 --> 00:35:47.935
I would love us to look at, because there's so much
00:35:47.935 --> 00:35:50.805
Loss there.
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And as a mom, i can't imagine what it's like to lose your
00:35:52.139 --> 00:35:55.476
Husband or a child.
00:35:55.476 --> 00:35:57.378
But you have a powerful story of a gentleman who lost his wife.
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His name's serhii?
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Colby: serhii, yeah.
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Sheila: watch this, and you'll see what it looks like.
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Colby: what was the last thing you did with your wife and son?
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Serhii haidarzhy: [speaking in ukrainian]
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Serhii haidarzhy: [speaking in ukrainian]
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Mike johnson: the communists always do this.
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They go after the christians first.
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They target christians, why?
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Because they believe they owe an allegiance to a power higher
00:37:57.765 --> 00:38:01.102
Than the government, than the state.
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I've seen examples and photographs of families who were
00:38:03.537 --> 00:38:05.773
Taken out by targeted rockets to their apartment building on, you
00:38:05.773 --> 00:38:10.144
Know, level five of an apartment building because
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They're christians.
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Colby: how do you process that kind of grief?
00:38:17.985 --> 00:38:22.690
Losing your wife and son while you also have to be a father,
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What helps you go on?
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Serhii: [speaking in ukrainian]
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Christian: lord, thank you for being with us in our
00:38:48.149 --> 00:38:54.321
Hardest moments.
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As i listened to serhii's testimony that you've given him,
00:38:55.656 --> 00:38:59.994
He's lost his wife and his child, but he knows that was
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Just temporary.
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They're yours, lord.
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Serhii: [speaking in ukrainian]
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Christian: lord, thank you for serhii.
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Lead him, guide him, provide for him in every way as
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You've already done.
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In jesus's name, amen.
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Serhii: [speaking in ukrainian]
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♪♪♪
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Serhii: [speaking in ukrainian]
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Serhii: [speaking in ukrainian]
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Sheila: and that's our brother.
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That's our brother in christ.
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If you're just joining us, i'm talking with colby barrett, this
00:41:41.388 --> 00:41:44.625
Incredible, incredible movie called "a faith under siege,"
00:41:44.625 --> 00:41:49.129
Shining a spotlight on what's happening in ukraine, things
00:41:49.129 --> 00:41:52.633
That we don't hear about on the news.
00:41:52.633 --> 00:41:55.002
And, you know, the thing i think has touched me so much about the
00:41:55.002 --> 00:41:59.173
Different people you've highlighted in the movie is that
00:41:59.173 --> 00:42:01.809
They've walked through what to most of us would be the greatest
00:42:01.809 --> 00:42:04.011
Nightmare, but somehow it reminds me of--remember when
00:42:04.011 --> 00:42:07.681
Paul and silas were in prison in philippi and they had been
00:42:07.681 --> 00:42:12.219
Beaten and thrown in prison, and what were they doing
00:42:12.219 --> 00:42:15.189
At midnight?
00:42:15.189 --> 00:42:16.557
They were worshiping god.
00:42:16.557 --> 00:42:17.891
Has this driven the church kind of underground?
00:42:17.891 --> 00:42:20.628
Colby: it depends on where you're at in ukraine.
00:42:20.628 --> 00:42:22.496
So, in the areas that are still controlled, about 80% of ukraine
00:42:22.496 --> 00:42:25.666
Is still controlled by ukrainians, in there it's very
00:42:25.666 --> 00:42:28.802
Free other than drone and missile attacks coming in
00:42:28.802 --> 00:42:32.606
From russia.
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It's very free to worship, and so you won't see
00:42:33.974 --> 00:42:37.211
Huge gatherings.
00:42:37.211 --> 00:42:38.746
In the past, gatherings of 39,000 were common.
00:42:38.746 --> 00:42:42.016
They're much smaller now.
00:42:42.016 --> 00:42:43.550
In the occupied territories, it is definitely underground.
00:42:43.550 --> 00:42:47.421
There, even holding a bible study in your home can have you
00:42:47.421 --> 00:42:51.625
Sentenced to prison.
00:42:51.625 --> 00:42:52.960
We know of one lady that got 20 years in prison for holding
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:56.130
A bible study in her home, for "terroristic attack" was
00:42:56.130 --> 00:42:59.366
The charge.
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Sheila: that's how they label it?
00:43:00.734 --> 00:43:02.069
Colby: that was it.
00:43:02.069 --> 00:43:03.437
And if you want to in the occupied territories have
00:43:03.437 --> 00:43:05.472
A aboveground church service, there's a lot of
00:43:05.472 --> 00:43:08.375
State involvement.
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First of all, have to register the building with russia.
00:43:09.743 --> 00:43:13.514
You have to register every one of your church members
00:43:13.514 --> 00:43:16.583
With russia.
00:43:16.583 --> 00:43:17.951
And you have to have at least 30 russian passport holders there
00:43:17.951 --> 00:43:21.855
To have a service that wouldn't open you up to being prosecuted.
00:43:21.855 --> 00:43:27.394
Sheila: i find myself wondering how this has impacted your
00:43:27.394 --> 00:43:30.898
Own life?
00:43:30.898 --> 00:43:32.266
Because i--sometimes you can't unsee what you've seen, and you
00:43:32.266 --> 00:43:34.935
Can't unhear what you've heard.
00:43:34.935 --> 00:43:37.004
And it has an impact.
00:43:37.004 --> 00:43:38.539
How has it impacted you, colby?
00:43:38.539 --> 00:43:40.107
Colby: it's been so amazing for my own faith journey, but then
00:43:40.107 --> 00:43:43.644
For my family as well.
00:43:43.644 --> 00:43:45.012
And i would say just seeing somebody like serhii haidarzhy,
00:43:45.012 --> 00:43:49.349
An iranian drone was launched from russia into his
00:43:49.349 --> 00:43:53.253
Apartment building.
00:43:53.253 --> 00:43:54.621
He was asleep with his young daughter in one room.
00:43:54.621 --> 00:43:57.624
His wife and four-month-old son were in the other room, which
00:43:57.624 --> 00:44:00.527
Was completely destroyed.
00:44:00.527 --> 00:44:02.496
That man should be so full of anger and hatred and thirst
00:44:02.496 --> 00:44:06.500
For revenge.
00:44:06.500 --> 00:44:07.901
If you meet him, you can feel god's presence in him, and he
00:44:07.901 --> 00:44:12.439
Says, "don't let anger and hate come into your heart.
00:44:12.439 --> 00:44:16.410
Revenge is for god, it is not for you."
00:44:16.410 --> 00:44:19.246
To see him go through that and then behave--and it's not just
00:44:19.246 --> 00:44:22.783
The way he says it.
00:44:22.783 --> 00:44:24.284
When we met him to film him, he was a little bit late because he
00:44:24.284 --> 00:44:28.055
Was delivering aid to the community right next door.
00:44:28.055 --> 00:44:31.825
So, he has taken all of those emotions into love for his
00:44:31.825 --> 00:44:35.395
Neighbor and love for other people.
00:44:35.395 --> 00:44:38.165
So, how this has really impacted me was just seeing that,
00:44:38.165 --> 00:44:42.836
You know, when i get mad at something.
00:44:42.836 --> 00:44:44.238
It's like, well, sirhii can suffer this loss and respond
00:44:44.238 --> 00:44:48.509
With love.
00:44:48.509 --> 00:44:49.843
I can too in whatever this really trivial thing that's
00:44:49.843 --> 00:44:52.913
Affecting me.
00:44:52.913 --> 00:44:54.248
The other thing was walking out your faith when you're called
00:44:54.248 --> 00:44:58.819
Towards things that may be a little bit dangerous is
00:44:58.819 --> 00:45:01.989
An amazing model, i think, for your children.
00:45:01.989 --> 00:45:04.158
A lot of people ask me, what did your wife think about you going
00:45:04.158 --> 00:45:07.895
To ukraine?
00:45:07.895 --> 00:45:09.229
And my joke is i have a lot of life insurance, so she was okay
00:45:09.229 --> 00:45:11.465
With it.
00:45:11.465 --> 00:45:13.233
But the honest answer is she's a really strong christian as
00:45:13.233 --> 00:45:17.371
Well, and she said, "look, if the holy spirit is calling you
00:45:17.371 --> 00:45:21.008
There, there's only one answer.
00:45:21.008 --> 00:45:22.810
It's yes."
00:45:22.810 --> 00:45:24.144
You can say or do whatever you want, but like jonah, you're
00:45:24.144 --> 00:45:27.147
Gonna go there kicking and screaming or you can, you know,
00:45:27.147 --> 00:45:29.349
Just be obedient.
00:45:29.349 --> 00:45:31.552
And we did wonder about whether we should tell the kids when i
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Was over there, whether it would be maybe better to say dad's on
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A business trip and tell them when we got back, and we decided
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Not to.
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We said--i remember my 12-year-old daughter, i thought
00:45:41.795 --> 00:45:44.364
She was gonna be very, very upset by the risk i was taking.
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And she--i mean, she was obviously worried for me and all
00:45:48.735 --> 00:45:53.640
Those things, but this is what you do when you're called.
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You don't, you know, you don't kick and scream.
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You go and you be obedient, and so that was a big thing for my
00:46:01.215 --> 00:46:04.284
Kids to be able to see that be modeled in what we did here.
00:46:04.284 --> 00:46:09.523
Sheila: you know, it's funny, this morning i was walking our
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Little dog maggie around the neighborhood, and this hymn came
00:46:11.625 --> 00:46:15.462
Back to me that we used to sing in our church in scotland when
00:46:15.462 --> 00:46:17.731
I was just a wee girl.
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And it was called "trust and obey."
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And i found myself thinking, i actually think that's it.
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You know, it sounds very simplistic, but we trust jesus
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And we obey him.
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We do the things that he would do.
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And i think that's--honestly, that's my prayer for me and it's
00:46:32.346 --> 00:46:37.050
My prayer for you.
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I'm praying that when you watch this movie and then make an
00:46:38.385 --> 00:46:42.189
Absolute commitment to pray for our brothers and sisters.
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I was so moved too by the way that they wanted to pray
00:46:45.759 --> 00:46:48.428
For you.
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Colby: right, that was one of the things that really kind of
00:46:49.763 --> 00:46:52.399
Floored me when i was over there, how happy everybody was
00:46:52.399 --> 00:46:55.869
To see us.
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And i think it's because, well, obviously seeing a fellow
00:46:57.738 --> 00:47:00.607
Christian come and stand next to you, but americans are
00:47:00.607 --> 00:47:04.611
Absolutely adored over there.
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And i think it's because we have common values of freedom and
00:47:05.946 --> 00:47:08.682
Freedom of religion, and so when you're going through hard times
00:47:08.682 --> 00:47:13.453
And a friend shows up or somebody that you know is
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On your side, that is so uplifting.
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So, i worried when we were filming that we were gonna be
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Bothering these people.
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Like, we, you know, viktor was on the front lines, he came off
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The front lines to come talk to us.
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And i can tell you it was just so amazing and uplifting for me,
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But i think also for him too.
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So, the level of joy and love and trust that we saw with these
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Individuals that have gone through so much was really
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Uplifting for me.
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Sheila: are you able to stay in touch with some of the people
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That you met?
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Colby: i do, i do.
00:47:48.055 --> 00:47:49.890
Viktor and i text probably every week.
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He's going--it's hard on the front lines right now.
00:47:53.593 --> 00:47:56.163
It was really hard when we met him.
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His position had just gotten hit by a multiple launch rocket
00:47:58.265 --> 00:48:02.569
System that the russians have, completely destroyed.
00:48:02.569 --> 00:48:05.605
Thankfully, he was underground when that happened.
00:48:05.605 --> 00:48:08.842
But he was worked up and pretty frazzled when we met.
00:48:08.842 --> 00:48:12.012
But i stay in touch with viktor, i stay in touch with serhii,
00:48:12.012 --> 00:48:15.382
I follow him on instagram.
00:48:15.382 --> 00:48:16.717
He's--he takes such a joy in his daughter, and it's
00:48:16.717 --> 00:48:21.955
Heartbreaking to watch that.
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But when you look at serhii, he's such a strong believer,
00:48:24.091 --> 00:48:28.895
He doesn't feel like he's lost his wife and son.
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He just doesn't get to be with them right now for a little bit.
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I mean, he's looking at eternity, not right this second.
00:48:35.369 --> 00:48:39.139
And it just, i mean, being with that man has been fantastic.
00:48:39.139 --> 00:48:43.744
So yes, i keep in touch with most of the people from the film
00:48:43.744 --> 00:48:46.146
And look for ways to help and get their story out, because
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That's really what they want.
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That's the way i can honor them is to tell their stories and get
00:48:51.551 --> 00:48:55.856
People to see what's really going on there.
00:48:55.856 --> 00:48:57.958
Sheila: i was rereading c.s. lewis's
00:48:57.958 --> 00:48:59.559
"mere christianity" recently, and he talked about
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.462
This kind of human dilemma of life not showing up the way you
00:49:02.462 --> 00:49:06.033
Think it is, and he said there's three ways we can deal with it.
00:49:06.033 --> 00:49:08.602
And he called the first one externally, the fool's way,
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Where it's like if i had a nicer car, if i had a nicer house,
00:49:11.204 --> 00:49:14.041
If i had all--if this happened.
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And then he talked about the other one was internally, where
00:49:16.843 --> 00:49:19.346
You just almost become kind of resigned to this is as good as
00:49:19.346 --> 00:49:22.749
Things are gonna get, and you're almost a little disillusioned
00:49:22.749 --> 00:49:26.153
With life.
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But the third way, he talked about the eternal way, where you
00:49:27.521 --> 00:49:31.491
Understand that even though, i mean, as jesus said, in this
00:49:31.491 --> 00:49:35.228
World you will have trouble, and even that little greek word for
00:49:35.228 --> 00:49:39.599
Trouble is like the perfect storm.
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"in this world you will go through the perfect storm,
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But take heart, because i have overcome the world."
00:49:44.871 --> 00:49:49.109
What's next for you?
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Colby: we're planning more aid, humanitarian aid for ukraine.
00:49:51.378 --> 00:49:55.782
Stories keep coming up, and so you saw some of the short films
00:49:55.782 --> 00:49:58.485
We've made.
00:49:58.485 --> 00:49:59.853
We've made the main documentary, but we keep hearing these
00:49:59.853 --> 00:50:01.855
Amazing stories, and i just--i can't stop telling these.
00:50:01.855 --> 00:50:05.725
So yeah, we're making a number of short films and just helping
00:50:05.725 --> 00:50:09.062
Any way we can and getting these--getting this information
00:50:09.062 --> 00:50:12.132
Out, because it's-- unfortunately, it's just not
00:50:12.132 --> 00:50:14.134
Being told.
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And it's--i wish i had a better answer for why it's not getting
00:50:15.735 --> 00:50:20.207
Out there, but we're gonna do our part.
00:50:20.207 --> 00:50:22.976
Sheila: and you're right, there's something about being
00:50:22.976 --> 00:50:24.711
With people who are on fire, that it just--it makes all the
00:50:24.711 --> 00:50:28.882
Rest of the stuff that doesn't matter.
00:50:28.882 --> 00:50:30.717
I remember being with a mom in africa who--it was a desperate
00:50:30.717 --> 00:50:34.621
Village where they--every single mother had at least
00:50:34.621 --> 00:50:37.157
Buried one child, because there was no clean water.
00:50:37.157 --> 00:50:39.860
And i remember this one woman, her name was mercy, and she
00:50:39.860 --> 00:50:41.962
Asked if i would take a walk with her.
00:50:41.962 --> 00:50:44.397
And i realized she was taking me to where her two-year-old son
00:50:44.397 --> 00:50:46.533
Was buried.
00:50:46.533 --> 00:50:47.868
And we got down on our knees beside the grave, and we were
00:50:47.868 --> 00:50:50.170
Both in tears, and i didn't know what to say to her, you know.
00:50:50.170 --> 00:50:53.507
It's like i couldn't even imagine that kind of pain.
00:50:53.507 --> 00:50:56.143
And she looked at--and she put her hand on my arm and she said,
00:50:56.143 --> 00:50:58.712
"no, no, jesus."
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And there's something about when you're forced into a place where
00:51:01.314 --> 00:51:04.951
You think, okay, this is either real or it's not real,
00:51:04.951 --> 00:51:07.687
It changes how you live your life.
00:51:07.687 --> 00:51:10.190
Colby: i think that's one of the things we face so much when we
00:51:10.190 --> 00:51:12.959
Live in a place that's so comfortable and safe.
00:51:12.959 --> 00:51:15.695
The natural response is indifference, and so to see
00:51:15.695 --> 00:51:19.766
These kind of things, to wake us up out of this kind of slumber
00:51:19.766 --> 00:51:23.136
We're in, to take a stand, pray for this and pray for these
00:51:23.136 --> 00:51:28.408
People and hurt for them, hurt with them, in whatever way that
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That means, so.
00:51:33.380 --> 00:51:35.382
Sheila: okay, so if you're just joining me, you missed the--
00:51:35.382 --> 00:51:39.586
One--an incredible program.
00:51:39.586 --> 00:51:40.921
But you know you can always rewatch "praise" on our
00:51:40.921 --> 00:51:43.490
Tbn+ app.
00:51:43.490 --> 00:51:45.492
So, get friends and family together, maybe your church
00:51:45.492 --> 00:51:49.029
Group, and watch, you know, watch this movie, "faith
00:51:49.029 --> 00:51:52.766
Under siege."
00:51:52.766 --> 00:51:54.134
But these are our brothers and sisters, and they've asked us to
00:51:54.134 --> 00:51:57.370
Pray for them.
00:51:57.370 --> 00:51:59.272
So, i just want to ask you, will you join me right now?
00:51:59.272 --> 00:52:02.709
We're--in fact, apologies to the cameraman, but i'm gonna get
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Down on my knees.
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I hope you can follow me, and if you can't, that's fine.
00:52:07.714 --> 00:52:09.983
But i just--and if--wherever you are, i just invite you
00:52:09.983 --> 00:52:15.121
To join us.
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And let's lift up our brothers and sisters around the world.
00:52:16.456 --> 00:52:20.160
And ask for god's protection, but more than that, that this
00:52:20.160 --> 00:52:24.731
Faith, this faith that is in their hearts, that god would
00:52:24.731 --> 00:52:28.268
Light a flame and the reflection would impact you and me.
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Father god, we come to you now in the beautiful, perfect,
00:52:34.441 --> 00:52:39.980
Wonderful name of your son jesus christ.
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Thank you that you loved us so much, you would not leave us
00:52:43.650 --> 00:52:47.554
To ourselves.
00:52:47.554 --> 00:52:49.155
But you came, and you lived a life where you were humiliated
00:52:49.155 --> 00:52:53.126
And betrayed and executed, but you did it because you loved us
00:52:53.126 --> 00:52:57.864
And you wanted to give us a way home.
00:52:57.864 --> 00:53:00.567
Right now, lord, our brothers and sisters in ukraine
00:53:00.567 --> 00:53:04.037
Are hurting.
00:53:04.037 --> 00:53:05.572
They're struggling with loss, with the constant fear of what
00:53:05.572 --> 00:53:08.975
Might happen next, even into their worship services.
00:53:08.975 --> 00:53:13.046
So we as your family here, wherever we're watching from,
00:53:13.046 --> 00:53:17.484
We lift them up to you, lord.
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We ask for your grace, we ask for your comfort.
00:53:19.019 --> 00:53:23.189
Lord, you bring comfort that nothing else in life can bring.
00:53:23.189 --> 00:53:27.227
We ask for miracles, like viktor saw, we ask that you would
00:53:27.227 --> 00:53:30.764
Continue to show your people there that you are watching over
00:53:30.764 --> 00:53:34.768
Them, that you are with them, and that you love them.
00:53:34.768 --> 00:53:38.104
And lord, i ask for us.
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I ask, would you wake us up from our slumber, from arguing about
00:53:40.373 --> 00:53:45.145
Things that don't matter at all, to understanding that we are
00:53:45.145 --> 00:53:49.883
Your boots on the ground until you return?
00:53:49.883 --> 00:53:53.420
So i ask you, jesus, right now i ask for a fresh filling of every
00:53:53.420 --> 00:53:58.058
Believer, a fresh filling of your holy spirit and fresh eyes
00:53:58.058 --> 00:54:03.096
To see what we would miss without you and ears to hear
00:54:03.096 --> 00:54:06.533
Your voice on this earth and that we would respond.
00:54:06.533 --> 00:54:09.836
Lord, i want to thank you for colby and his team.
00:54:09.836 --> 00:54:12.706
Thank you for this incredible documentary.
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And i pray, lord, that you would take this to places that he
00:54:15.575 --> 00:54:18.311
Can't even imagine, that you would open doors that only you
00:54:18.311 --> 00:54:21.548
Could open, and that, lord, as they continue to film that you
00:54:21.548 --> 00:54:25.552
Would give them protection and coverage.
00:54:25.552 --> 00:54:27.921
But lord, you could throw open doors that no man on earth
00:54:27.921 --> 00:54:31.758
Can close.
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We know that this is a battle between good and evil, but we
00:54:33.226 --> 00:54:36.429
Also know that on the cross you declared, "it is finished."
00:54:36.429 --> 00:54:42.001
So, we ask, jesus, help us to be part of being your hands and
00:54:42.001 --> 00:54:45.972
Feet in a broken world.
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We ask it in jesus's name.
00:54:48.274 --> 00:54:51.077
Amen, amen.
00:54:51.077 --> 00:54:54.047
Colby: thank you.
00:54:54.047 --> 00:54:55.415
Sheila: thank you for joining us, colby.
00:54:55.415 --> 00:54:58.084
I have no other words other than thank you.
00:54:58.084 --> 00:55:00.820
Colby: and thank you so much for bringing awareness and prayer to
00:55:00.820 --> 00:55:03.523
This issue.
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It's so important, and i can't-- just can't thank you enough for
00:55:04.891 --> 00:55:08.661
Bringing us on and talking about the film.
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Sheila: okay, thank you, friends.
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We love you, and we'll see you next time.
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God bless you.
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♪♪♪
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Colby Barrett: A Faith Under Siege | Praise

June 26, 2025 | 57:0

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