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Donnie McClurkin: My Story | Praise

August 26, 2025 | 54:50

Donnie McClurkin: My Story | Praise
Matt and Laurie Crouch welcome Donnie McClurkin for a special program titled My Story. Donnie opens up about his personal journey of faith, including the challenges he faced and the miracles he experienced.
#Singer/Songwriter #PersonalStory #Testimony #TBNHistory #Calling #Favor #Blessing #Evangelism #Anointing #Redemption #Restoration #Healing #Failure

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Praise | Donnie McClurkin: My Story | Praise | August 26, 2025
  • Coming up tonight on praise...
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  • ♪ glory, glory to the lamb ♪
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  • Donnie mcclurkin.
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  • What we're trying to do today
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  • Is celebrate a decades long friendship.
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  • Donnie, you started being family in the mid 90s.
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  • You started being mentored in the andraé crouch days, and you
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  • Were the host of the donnie mcclurkin show.
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  • You've been ordained as a pastor since 2001.
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  • You've hosted this praise program more than 50 times
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  • From most of our locations.
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  • We've done lots of other
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  • Kind of long form concert things together.
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  • ♪ jesus ♪
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  • ♪ mighty ♪
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  • ♪ you are savior ♪
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  • ♪ you are lord ♪
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  • ♪ you are ♪
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  • ♪ god ♪
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  • What are some of the highlight memories that pop up.
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  • The soul train awards and the bet awards, and all of those
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  • Different secular awards, was the greatest evangelistic
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  • Platform that i could ever have.
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  • And god opened up all those doors.
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  • And this is no platitude.
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  • Because of this network,
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  • This network gave me global visibility so that i can
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  • Minister to people that i never
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  • Thought i would ever get to meet.
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  • ♪ he is, he is, he is, ♪
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  • ♪ he is ♪
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  • ♪ he is here ♪
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  • Tonight on praise from nashville,
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  • Multi award winning gospel
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  • Singer and pastor, donnie mcclurkin.
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  • And now your hosts, matt and laurie crouch.
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  • If you've ever heard the term o.g., okay, you're looking at it
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  • Right here.
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  • The original god guy.
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  • The original gangster right here, donnie mcclurkin.
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  • Good god.
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  • Okay, start off with telling us your origin story with tbn.
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  • Where did tbn find you?
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  • How did you find tbn all those
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  • Years ago when we were just kids?
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  • Yes. seriously.
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  • I was 12. no. um--
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  • You know, it's so amazing how
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  • God just weaves things together.
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  • No plans, no expectations.
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  • We were sitting in atlanta.
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  • Okay.
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  • Um, they were giving a tribute to bishop
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  • T.d. jakes. got it.
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  • And they had me come in to sing.
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  • And that might have been in '94.
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  • '93 or '94.
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  • Yeah, mid 90s for sure.
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  • Yeah. and i came in to sing and i sat. there was this long desk
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  • And i was sitting all the way at the end.
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  • And a woman with pink hair-- [laughter]
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  • Wonder who that was.
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  • Came and she sat down next to me.
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  • And she had never met me.
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  • I'd only seen her on television.
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  • And she said, hi.
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  • I said, hello.
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  • She said, um,
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  • And what's your name?
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  • I said, my name is donnie.
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  • She said, oh, donnie.
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  • Hi, i'm jan.
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  • I said, yes, ma'am, i know your name.
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  • So i went and i sang and i sat back down.
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  • She said, oh my donnie,
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  • You have to come to tbn.
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  • The next day in atlanta.
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  • And so we went to tbn the next day and benny hinn was there.
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  • And i sang. my friend donnie,
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  • He's going to sing. and i sang.
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  • And when i finished singing,
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  • Benny says, who is that young man?
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  • Who is that young man, just like that.
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  • Who is that young man?
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  • And that's donnie.
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  • You. you come back tomorrow. i'm sorry, i can't.
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  • I got a concert. and from that point on,
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  • Jan-- to another world.
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  • Paul and we became like this.
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  • Yeah. i don't even know how we connected so quickly.
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  • So permanently--
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  • That's awesome.
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  • That every time i turned around, they were calling me to
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  • Come and sing on tbn.
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  • And you're talking about nervous as a cat?
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  • Come on. you? what do they say?
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  • Nervous as a long-tailed cat in a rocking chair.
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  • Whatever they say down south.
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  • And i was petrified,
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  • Petrified every time i stood on stage.
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  • And the only thing that would calm me down with no, with no
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  • Exaggeration, would be a pink haired lady--
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  • My goodness.
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  • That would come and say, how's my donnie?
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  • And from that point on, i was her donnie and,
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  • And your dad,
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  • He was just the genius behind this whole thing.
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  • My goodness.
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  • And he would-- he'd pat me on the shoulder
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  • And say, you've got this, you got this.
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  • That's how this whole thing started.
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  • That was about 1993 or 1994.
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  • I'm not sure the legal adoption went through, but the
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  • Vicariously the adoption went through, which makes you and i
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  • Literal brothers.
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  • Okay. so literally.
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  • Okay. over all these years-- but no--
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  • We've been brothers.
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  • Honest to god, we have become so close and family
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  • That it is unbelievable.
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  • Well, it's felt that way since the day we would have met.
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  • And so what we're trying to do today is celebrate a
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  • Decades long friendship.
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  • And you know, donnie, look, we've got a few statistics i
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  • Can read off off this card here, but, you know, you
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  • Started being family in the mid 90s.
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  • Okay, so we're talking 30 years ago.
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  • You've hosted this praise program more than 50 times from
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  • Most of our locations.
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  • You know, you've been a part of all the telethons.
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  • You had to sing and hear my dad say, back it up.
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  • Do it again. do it again, do it again.
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  • We've done lots of other
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  • Kind of long form concert things together.
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  • You've done-- we're here in nashville in 2025,
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  • And you're going to be shooting a whole nother brand new album
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  • Series for us and a new special.
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  • And stay tuned for all this brand new content we're doing.
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  • But we're talking to the man today.
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  • And, you know-- you look so good, donnie.
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  • You do. oh, good.
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  • You haven't changed.
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  • You haven't changed a minute.
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  • He's talking about being older and this might be the last,
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  • And i'm like-- he and i are the same age.
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  • You've got so much more.
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  • I mean, i get what you're saying.
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  • I understood what you said before the program, but you're
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  • Going to be singing till you, till you say bye bye.
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  • You're going to sing bye bye to all of us.
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  • I'm going to sing until i get to heaven.
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  • And this, this recording stuff,
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  • Let the kids take it.
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  • Oh my gosh.
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  • Okay.
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  • You were the host of the donnie mcclurkin show.
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  • You've been ordained as a pastor since 2001.
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  • Now senior pastor of perfecting faith church
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  • In freeport, new york.
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  • You started being mentored in the andraé crouch days and all
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  • Of that time.
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  • I want to know what you sang on the soul train?
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  • Oh. ♪ soul train ♪
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  • I remember. the year that i got my soul train award,
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  • We sang, ♪ we fall down, but we get up ♪
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  • ♪ we fall down but we get up ♪
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  • And the crazy thing is,
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  • Snoop dogg was
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  • On the on the second row and he broke down crying so hard.
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  • Oh my goodness.
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  • And the cameras started coming around and they
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  • Were saying, you know, get back.
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  • His guys were saying get back.
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  • And when he finished,
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  • Snoop met me in the back and he was like, man, i'm telling you,
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  • I, i, my grandmother used to tell me that if i wasn't doing
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  • This, i was called to be a preacher.
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  • My goodness. i was called to be a preacher.
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  • And he just hugged me and just cried.
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  • And so, you know, the soul train awards and the bet awards
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  • And all of those different secular awards was the greatest
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  • Evangelistic platform that i could ever have.
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  • You got kendrick lamar coming up to you saying,
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  • Man, i used to go to church.
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  • Can you pray for me?
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  • You got all of these different
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  • People, whitney, the whole nine yards.
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  • And god opened up all those doors.
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  • And this is no platitude
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  • Because of this network.
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  • This network gave me global visibility so that i could
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  • Minister to people that i never
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  • Thought i would ever get to meet.
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  • We're just getting started.
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  • Multiple grammy award winner.
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  • Multiple stellar award winner.
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  • Multiple bet award winner.
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  • Multiple soul train award winner.
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  • Dove award winner in a naacp image award.
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  • Millions of albums sold.
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  • And it's all been in the gospel world.
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  • Lifting up his name. and if i be lifted up
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  • Will draw all men unto myself.
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  • Okay. you found us.
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  • My mama found you.
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  • So my mom is sitting somewhere at an event with
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  • T.d. jakes in atlanta.
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  • She asks you your name.
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  • She asks you to come visit and
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  • And everything takes off from there.
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  • Here's an interesting thing.
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  • If you look back over all these 30 years, what are some of the
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  • Highlight memories that pop up?
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  • Is it an on stage thing?
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  • Is it a backstage thing?
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  • Is it a late night dinner thing?
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  • When you think of your interface, just start talking
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  • To us about some of your highlights of the
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  • Donnie mcclurkin world.
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  • South africa. okay.
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  • Singing on stage.
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  • About 50,000 people outside.
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  • And on the third row
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  • Is a man by the name of nelson mandela.
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  • Hmm.
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  • This is in 1995, year after apartheid fell.
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  • Mhm. and chief buthelezi, the chief of the zulus, is sitting
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  • Next to him with his zulu garb on and his staff and his beads
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  • And his feathers.
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  • And after i sang, i was mad because the president of south
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  • Africa is on the third row on the on the stage.
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  • And as i'm sitting there, someone came and tapped me on
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  • The shoulder and said, brother donnie,
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  • Madiba would like to see you.
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  • Please forgive me if i cry.
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  • Madiba would like to see you.
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  • And my heart came into my throat and i go over while the
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  • Preacher's preaching.
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  • And there's a space in between.
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  • And he says, come here.
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  • And i came.
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  • He said, kneel.
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  • And so i crouched down, no pun intended.
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  • I crouched down and he said, what is your name?
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  • He said, my name is donnie, sir.
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  • And he looked at
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  • Chief buthelezi and he nodded his head.
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  • Chief buthelezi took his staff, took his staff, hit me on both
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  • Shoulders and said, rise up. mhm.
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  • And the guy that brought me over while the preacher's
  • 00:12:07.116 --> 00:12:09.752
  • Preaching runs over to the choir
  • 00:12:09.752 --> 00:12:13.556
  • And screams spoosy song.
  • 00:12:13.556 --> 00:12:17.026
  • And the whole choir of zulus jump up.
  • 00:12:17.026 --> 00:12:22.198
  • And he runs to the front of the stage and screams, spoosy song
  • 00:12:22.198 --> 00:12:25.901
  • In a microphone and the whole place is screaming.
  • 00:12:25.901 --> 00:12:30.105
  • You literally had to do like this.
  • 00:12:30.105 --> 00:12:32.842
  • And the preacher said, what is happening?
  • 00:12:32.842 --> 00:12:38.013
  • And i grabbed the microphone and i walked to the front of
  • 00:12:38.013 --> 00:12:41.417
  • The stage and said, well, first of all, my name is not donnie,
  • 00:12:41.417 --> 00:12:46.655
  • My name is spuciso, everybody went rah!
  • 00:12:46.655 --> 00:12:51.427
  • And it hit me.
  • 00:12:51.427 --> 00:12:53.429
  • I don't know what that means.
  • 00:12:53.429 --> 00:12:56.432
  • So i said, excuse me.
  • 00:12:56.432 --> 00:12:57.333
  • I walked back over to the
  • 00:12:57.333 --> 00:12:58.234
  • President, says, what does that mean?
  • 00:12:58.234 --> 00:13:00.603
  • He said, it means anointed one.
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  • Oh boy.
  • 00:13:02.738 --> 00:13:04.506
  • And i went back.
  • 00:13:04.506 --> 00:13:05.741
  • I said, second of all, the president of south africa, the
  • 00:13:05.741 --> 00:13:10.613
  • Hero of south africa is sitting
  • 00:13:10.613 --> 00:13:13.249
  • On this platform on the third row.
  • 00:13:13.249 --> 00:13:15.451
  • President nelson mandela.
  • 00:13:15.451 --> 00:13:16.652
  • Everybody's screaming.
  • 00:13:16.652 --> 00:13:19.388
  • I said, and thirdly-- [sings in african language]
  • 00:13:19.388 --> 00:13:26.328
  • And the whole place is singing in four-part harmony.
  • 00:13:29.832 --> 00:13:33.469
  • That was, i think, the most
  • 00:13:33.469 --> 00:13:37.840
  • Significant time of my entire life.
  • 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:40.109
  • My goodness.
  • 00:13:40.109 --> 00:13:41.410
  • To be given my name in africa, a place that i'm from somewhere
  • 00:13:41.410 --> 00:13:48.684
  • In history.
  • 00:13:48.684 --> 00:13:49.885
  • And i come home and i get my identity from a hero like
  • 00:13:49.885 --> 00:13:54.056
  • Nelson mandela. anointed one.
  • 00:13:54.056 --> 00:13:57.426
  • Yeah. i think that was long ago.
  • 00:13:57.426 --> 00:14:01.997
  • He was just prophesying.
  • 00:14:01.997 --> 00:14:04.166
  • He was the one that, this is my beloved son.
  • 00:14:04.166 --> 00:14:07.803
  • But that is just one of many different things.
  • 00:14:07.803 --> 00:14:12.808
  • Being able to shake hands with queen elizabeth.
  • 00:14:12.808 --> 00:14:15.444
  • [laughing] yes.
  • 00:14:15.444 --> 00:14:17.112
  • Isn't that fun? her majesty.
  • 00:14:17.112 --> 00:14:19.715
  • And it was by mistake.
  • 00:14:19.715 --> 00:14:21.483
  • Oh, it wasn't a planned, organized anything.
  • 00:14:21.483 --> 00:14:24.620
  • I just happened to be in england visiting, and i was at
  • 00:14:24.620 --> 00:14:28.023
  • Buckingham palace sitting on the queen victoria statue in
  • 00:14:28.023 --> 00:14:33.295
  • Front of buckingham palace.
  • 00:14:33.295 --> 00:14:35.030
  • And there was maybe, like 2 or 300 people outside.
  • 00:14:35.030 --> 00:14:38.467
  • Everybody started running over to the to the right.
  • 00:14:38.467 --> 00:14:41.937
  • And i'm like, well, what happened?
  • 00:14:41.937 --> 00:14:43.205
  • And then you see the family coming down, queen elizabeth,
  • 00:14:43.205 --> 00:14:46.475
  • Prince, prince philip, uh, charles, the two, uh, harry and
  • 00:14:46.475 --> 00:14:51.580
  • Will and they're walking down and i'm like, oh, jesus.
  • 00:14:51.580 --> 00:14:57.853
  • Yeah.
  • 00:14:57.853 --> 00:14:58.687
  • And a guy comes up to me and says,
  • 00:14:58.687 --> 00:15:01.790
  • Pastor donnie,
  • 00:15:01.790 --> 00:15:03.892
  • Would you like to meet her majesty?
  • 00:15:03.892 --> 00:15:05.694
  • And he said, i work for.
  • 00:15:05.694 --> 00:15:09.398
  • I work security for a church that you come to here in
  • 00:15:09.398 --> 00:15:12.735
  • England, and i work security for the queen.
  • 00:15:12.735 --> 00:15:16.238
  • Can i please? i'm last online.
  • 00:15:16.238 --> 00:15:19.641
  • I'm last online.
  • 00:15:19.641 --> 00:15:20.642
  • Maybe about 50 people.
  • 00:15:20.642 --> 00:15:22.344
  • And she's shaking hands.
  • 00:15:22.344 --> 00:15:23.812
  • He's giving me the protocols. now, when you when you reach
  • 00:15:23.812 --> 00:15:27.016
  • Her, you don't look her directly in the eye
  • 00:15:27.016 --> 00:15:30.386
  • And you don't-- hold your hand out.
  • 00:15:30.386 --> 00:15:32.821
  • You wait for her to stick her hand out.
  • 00:15:32.821 --> 00:15:34.990
  • You grab her by the fingertips, you bow and you say, your
  • 00:15:34.990 --> 00:15:39.828
  • Majesty, you don't call her your royal highness.
  • 00:15:39.828 --> 00:15:42.297
  • That's for the princes and princesses.
  • 00:15:42.297 --> 00:15:44.466
  • And i'm like, jesus. [laughing]
  • 00:15:44.466 --> 00:15:46.268
  • And i get there and i'm nervous as a cat.
  • 00:15:46.268 --> 00:15:52.775
  • And she sticks her hand out, and i bow my head and i grab
  • 00:15:52.775 --> 00:15:55.377
  • Her by the finger and said, your royal majesty.
  • 00:15:55.377 --> 00:15:58.680
  • And she says,
  • 00:15:58.680 --> 00:16:00.849
  • Oh, he knows the protocol,
  • 00:16:00.849 --> 00:16:04.887
  • And i raise up.
  • 00:16:04.887 --> 00:16:07.890
  • What is your name?
  • 00:16:07.890 --> 00:16:09.458
  • I said, well, my name is donnie mcclurkin.
  • 00:16:09.458 --> 00:16:11.960
  • And where are you from?
  • 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:13.862
  • I said, i'm from america.
  • 00:16:13.862 --> 00:16:16.265
  • And what do you do?
  • 00:16:16.265 --> 00:16:18.734
  • I said, well, i'm a pastor of a church.
  • 00:16:18.734 --> 00:16:20.803
  • You would call it a vicar because you're the head of the
  • 00:16:20.803 --> 00:16:23.338
  • Church of england, and you would call the vicar.
  • 00:16:23.338 --> 00:16:25.908
  • And she said, oh, you know, you know our protocol.
  • 00:16:25.908 --> 00:16:29.111
  • I said, yes, ma'am.
  • 00:16:29.111 --> 00:16:30.512
  • I said, permission to speak.
  • 00:16:30.512 --> 00:16:33.549
  • And i heard the security guy go.
  • 00:16:33.549 --> 00:16:36.552
  • Yeah, cross the line there, donnie.
  • 00:16:36.552 --> 00:16:38.520
  • Permission to speak.
  • 00:16:38.520 --> 00:16:39.254
  • She said, permission granted.
  • 00:16:39.254 --> 00:16:42.091
  • I said, ma'am, i've loved your family since i was born.
  • 00:16:42.091 --> 00:16:46.095
  • I love everything about this country.
  • 00:16:46.095 --> 00:16:49.131
  • We in our church pray for you.
  • 00:16:49.131 --> 00:16:51.200
  • We pray for you, your husband, your family when we pray for
  • 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:54.570
  • This country.
  • 00:16:54.570 --> 00:16:55.571
  • I just want you to--
  • 00:16:55.571 --> 00:16:56.805
  • I want to let you know that i thank god for allowing me
  • 00:16:56.805 --> 00:16:59.208
  • To meet you.
  • 00:16:59.208 --> 00:17:00.709
  • And she looked at her husband
  • 00:17:00.709 --> 00:17:02.144
  • Said, and he has such proper manners.
  • 00:17:02.144 --> 00:17:06.615
  • And i said, well, by your leave, because they told me i
  • 00:17:06.615 --> 00:17:09.885
  • Couldn't turn my back on him.
  • 00:17:09.885 --> 00:17:11.453
  • By your leave, she said, you may leave.
  • 00:17:11.453 --> 00:17:14.356
  • And i bowed and waited for them to turn around and walk away.
  • 00:17:14.356 --> 00:17:17.960
  • And they got about maybe about 50ft away.
  • 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:20.362
  • She turned around and said,
  • 00:17:20.362 --> 00:17:22.731
  • Are you still here?
  • 00:17:22.731 --> 00:17:25.267
  • Go. go home. spit spot.
  • 00:17:25.267 --> 00:17:27.736
  • And then gave that elizabeth smile. when she walked away,
  • 00:17:27.736 --> 00:17:32.141
  • The security guard went crazy because although he's british,
  • 00:17:32.141 --> 00:17:36.078
  • He comes from jamaican roots.
  • 00:17:36.078 --> 00:17:37.546
  • He went straight to me,
  • 00:17:37.546 --> 00:17:39.615
  • You realize what happened?
  • 00:17:39.615 --> 00:17:41.150
  • That woman don't speak to nobody.
  • 00:17:41.150 --> 00:17:43.118
  • She speaks to nobody.
  • 00:17:43.118 --> 00:17:44.786
  • And he was--
  • 00:17:44.786 --> 00:17:46.121
  • I said, oh, i've been doing this a long time.
  • 00:17:46.121 --> 00:17:47.990
  • I've been doing this a long time.
  • 00:17:47.990 --> 00:17:49.558
  • And those are some of the, the, the quirky things that have
  • 00:17:49.558 --> 00:17:54.029
  • Happened in this career that have been remarkable.
  • 00:17:54.029 --> 00:17:58.066
  • I've sung before four of the presidents of the united
  • 00:17:58.066 --> 00:18:01.503
  • States, from george herbert walker bush to bill clinton to
  • 00:18:01.503 --> 00:18:06.441
  • George w bush, who was like a best friend of mine.
  • 00:18:06.441 --> 00:18:10.245
  • My goodness.
  • 00:18:10.245 --> 00:18:11.246
  • He brought me to the white house three times.
  • 00:18:11.246 --> 00:18:13.248
  • And the third time--
  • 00:18:13.248 --> 00:18:16.518
  • President bush, i hope you're watching.
  • 00:18:16.518 --> 00:18:18.520
  • The third time we're sitting down, we sang and i'm sitting
  • 00:18:18.520 --> 00:18:23.592
  • At the table with karl rove and smokie norful.
  • 00:18:23.592 --> 00:18:26.695
  • I'm sitting at the table with president bush, and he comes
  • 00:18:26.695 --> 00:18:30.365
  • Over and says, this is our pastor, this is our pastor,
  • 00:18:30.365 --> 00:18:33.502
  • This pastor, a pastor, donnie, and you need to sit with me.
  • 00:18:33.502 --> 00:18:37.272
  • You don't need to sit with this guy.
  • 00:18:37.272 --> 00:18:38.674
  • You need to sit with me.
  • 00:18:38.674 --> 00:18:40.375
  • And he's going to say prayer, and i'm saying prayer,
  • 00:18:40.375 --> 00:18:44.279
  • And i made a mistake.
  • 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.082
  • While i'm praying, i heard my friend smokie say, oh, jesus.
  • 00:18:47.082 --> 00:18:53.121
  • And when i opened my eyes, my hand was in the president's
  • 00:18:53.121 --> 00:18:55.657
  • Chest while i was praying.
  • 00:18:55.657 --> 00:18:59.661
  • And when we finished, he said, you want to see something cool?
  • 00:18:59.661 --> 00:19:03.665
  • I said, sir? you want to see something cool?
  • 00:19:03.665 --> 00:19:06.401
  • And he took me into this alcove.
  • 00:19:06.401 --> 00:19:09.605
  • I don't know how he did security.
  • 00:19:09.605 --> 00:19:10.973
  • Took me in his elbow.
  • 00:19:10.973 --> 00:19:12.507
  • He said the chopper's coming.
  • 00:19:12.507 --> 00:19:13.709
  • The chopper's coming to
  • 00:19:13.709 --> 00:19:14.743
  • Pick me up to the back lawn of the white house.
  • 00:19:14.743 --> 00:19:17.446
  • And from that point on, we were like this.
  • 00:19:17.446 --> 00:19:19.348
  • My goodness.
  • 00:19:19.348 --> 00:19:20.349
  • Then when he was running for the second term,
  • 00:19:20.349 --> 00:19:23.518
  • They called the-- am i talking too long?
  • 00:19:23.518 --> 00:19:25.587
  • No. they called the church office and they said, uh,
  • 00:19:25.587 --> 00:19:29.791
  • Please hold for the office of
  • 00:19:29.791 --> 00:19:30.859
  • The president of the united states.
  • 00:19:30.859 --> 00:19:32.961
  • And the office of whoever the person was said, i'm calling
  • 00:19:32.961 --> 00:19:36.431
  • Because we're having the republican national convention
  • 00:19:36.431 --> 00:19:39.735
  • At madison square garden.
  • 00:19:39.735 --> 00:19:41.536
  • And mrs. bush wanted to know, would you sing for her day?
  • 00:19:41.536 --> 00:19:46.108
  • I said, i'll do anything for my president.
  • 00:19:46.108 --> 00:19:48.744
  • The next day they called back.
  • 00:19:48.744 --> 00:19:51.813
  • Please hold.
  • 00:19:51.813 --> 00:19:52.714
  • President of united states.
  • 00:19:52.714 --> 00:19:54.182
  • And the same person said, we told the president that you
  • 00:19:54.182 --> 00:19:57.386
  • Said that you'd do anything for your president.
  • 00:19:57.386 --> 00:19:59.454
  • He wants to know, would you sing on his night
  • 00:19:59.454 --> 00:20:01.456
  • Instead of mrs. bush's?
  • 00:20:01.456 --> 00:20:04.026
  • I said no problem, anything.
  • 00:20:04.026 --> 00:20:07.396
  • They called back and said, will you sing certain songs?
  • 00:20:07.396 --> 00:20:10.766
  • Will you sing,
  • 00:20:10.766 --> 00:20:12.034
  • I'm walking in authority and bring some of the young people
  • 00:20:12.034 --> 00:20:13.302
  • From your church and sing stand?
  • 00:20:13.302 --> 00:20:17.572
  • I'm saying, what is-- ?
  • 00:20:17.572 --> 00:20:19.007
  • He said, that's his,
  • 00:20:19.007 --> 00:20:20.008
  • That's his favorite song, stand.
  • 00:20:20.008 --> 00:20:21.310
  • And i'm like, how does he know our stuff?
  • 00:20:21.310 --> 00:20:25.314
  • We got there. we sang the songs.
  • 00:20:25.314 --> 00:20:28.684
  • When we finished, we go into the room, he comes into our
  • 00:20:28.684 --> 00:20:32.921
  • Dressing room,
  • 00:20:32.921 --> 00:20:35.023
  • But he's by himself
  • 00:20:35.023 --> 00:20:37.492
  • And i'm like, sir, i don't think you're supposed to be.
  • 00:20:37.492 --> 00:20:41.430
  • In here by yourself.
  • 00:20:41.430 --> 00:20:42.664
  • And he's like, no, they're going to come and get me soon.
  • 00:20:42.664 --> 00:20:44.299
  • But i just wanted to come and tell you--
  • 00:20:44.299 --> 00:20:45.801
  • And while he's talking, bang, bang, bang, bang on the door.
  • 00:20:45.801 --> 00:20:48.603
  • I said, sir, you're about to get me killed.
  • 00:20:48.603 --> 00:20:52.708
  • And i'm telling you, he was just the greatest guy to me.
  • 00:20:52.708 --> 00:20:57.879
  • The greatest guy.
  • 00:20:57.879 --> 00:20:59.047
  • Okay. world leaders.
  • 00:20:59.047 --> 00:21:02.284
  • Your anointing took you to world leaders.
  • 00:21:02.284 --> 00:21:05.654
  • Yes. you were on global level stages.
  • 00:21:05.654 --> 00:21:10.192
  • Global level moments.
  • 00:21:10.192 --> 00:21:12.828
  • Take us to a moment when
  • 00:21:12.828 --> 00:21:18.767
  • You didn't feel qualified to be in that position.
  • 00:21:18.767 --> 00:21:22.771
  • I've got tissue right here
  • 00:21:25.774 --> 00:21:27.209
  • Because this is, um,
  • 00:21:27.209 --> 00:21:29.578
  • Can i just be transparent, though?
  • 00:21:29.578 --> 00:21:32.581
  • Please. um, a lot of people
  • 00:21:32.581 --> 00:21:35.584
  • See the glory of what we do,
  • 00:21:35.584 --> 00:21:38.854
  • And they applaud us for the, for our accomplishments and our.
  • 00:21:38.854 --> 00:21:43.558
  • But they don't see the fall. mhm.
  • 00:21:43.558 --> 00:21:47.162
  • And we don't we don't ever talk about our falls.
  • 00:21:47.162 --> 00:21:51.700
  • You know we are just hallelujah,
  • 00:21:51.700 --> 00:21:53.468
  • God, glory to jesus people, all the holy--
  • 00:21:53.468 --> 00:21:55.604
  • Anointed ones. yes.
  • 00:21:55.604 --> 00:21:57.606
  • And it was in 1999 that i fathered a child.
  • 00:21:57.606 --> 00:22:06.214
  • And i say all the time it wasn't a mistake.
  • 00:22:09.551 --> 00:22:15.090
  • I hate when we try to romanticize our wrongdoings.
  • 00:22:15.090 --> 00:22:19.561
  • It wasn't a mistake.
  • 00:22:19.561 --> 00:22:20.595
  • A mistake is something you didn't mean to do.
  • 00:22:20.595 --> 00:22:22.164
  • And oops.
  • 00:22:22.164 --> 00:22:23.465
  • It was disobedience
  • 00:22:23.465 --> 00:22:26.468
  • And it was embarrassing.
  • 00:22:26.468 --> 00:22:29.504
  • And it showed the side of me that i fought with for so long.
  • 00:22:29.504 --> 00:22:34.042
  • I could hide behind my music
  • 00:22:34.042 --> 00:22:35.710
  • And i could hide behind a pulpit.
  • 00:22:35.710 --> 00:22:38.046
  • I can preach, i can sing,
  • 00:22:38.046 --> 00:22:41.950
  • I got the anointing of god.
  • 00:22:41.950 --> 00:22:43.852
  • But there's a david's side.
  • 00:22:43.852 --> 00:22:46.955
  • There's a david and bathsheba side.
  • 00:22:46.955 --> 00:22:49.958
  • And now this has made public and known because i can't
  • 00:22:49.958 --> 00:22:53.428
  • Disown what i've done.
  • 00:22:53.428 --> 00:22:55.063
  • The one thing i have to have is integrity.
  • 00:22:55.063 --> 00:22:57.199
  • Even if i'm wrong, i got to gotta have,
  • 00:22:57.199 --> 00:23:01.336
  • I gotta have integrity.
  • 00:23:01.336 --> 00:23:03.705
  • Even if i'm wrong, i gotta have integrity
  • 00:23:03.705 --> 00:23:07.542
  • Because lying is not going to help.
  • 00:23:07.542 --> 00:23:10.912
  • And it's going to dishonor god all the more.
  • 00:23:10.912 --> 00:23:13.915
  • And it's easier to say, have mercy on me, o god, according
  • 00:23:13.915 --> 00:23:17.352
  • To your loving kindness, the multitude of your tender mercy.
  • 00:23:17.352 --> 00:23:20.121
  • But when that happened, i knew it was done.
  • 00:23:20.121 --> 00:23:26.261
  • I knew i was finished.
  • 00:23:26.261 --> 00:23:28.063
  • I knew that it was over because i dishonored god.
  • 00:23:28.063 --> 00:23:33.668
  • I dishonored him and i gave up.
  • 00:23:33.668 --> 00:23:38.073
  • I sat down, i was working in detroit at the time at
  • 00:23:38.073 --> 00:23:41.309
  • Pastor weiner's church.
  • 00:23:41.309 --> 00:23:43.111
  • I was the assistant pastor.
  • 00:23:43.111 --> 00:23:44.646
  • I sat down.
  • 00:23:44.646 --> 00:23:47.115
  • I went, and i, i was working with bishop jakes at the time.
  • 00:23:47.115 --> 00:23:50.685
  • I was working with benny hinn and rod parsley at the time,
  • 00:23:50.685 --> 00:23:53.321
  • And i had to do a tour,
  • 00:23:53.321 --> 00:23:56.057
  • And i went and i told bishop jakes, i can't sing.
  • 00:23:56.057 --> 00:24:00.061
  • It was at a woman, thou art loosed meeting, and i was
  • 00:24:00.061 --> 00:24:02.864
  • Supposed to sing.
  • 00:24:02.864 --> 00:24:04.165
  • And i had to get my sister cece to come and to take my place.
  • 00:24:04.165 --> 00:24:07.269
  • But i had to go so i could tell him what happened, because
  • 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:10.539
  • I can't hide.
  • 00:24:10.539 --> 00:24:12.507
  • And i had to tell him, i messed up.
  • 00:24:12.507 --> 00:24:14.910
  • I fathered a child, and so i can't.
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  • I don't want to bring shame to your ministry.
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  • And we sat and we cried together.
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  • He was the most loving, the most compassionate, the most
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  • Understanding man.
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  • Many times bishop jakes has healed my brokenness.
  • 00:24:28.823 --> 00:24:32.294
  • And he said, when you're
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  • Finished, this door is always open.
  • 00:24:33.929 --> 00:24:38.567
  • Went to benny, told benny.
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  • And benny's like, you have integrity.
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  • You did not hide this and you are always welcomed.
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  • You went to rod parsley. before i could go to rod parsley,
  • 00:24:48.677 --> 00:24:53.582
  • We went up and we were in a room.
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  • Mom parsley, joni, rod,
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  • And rod was laying on the couch.
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  • He said, when you passed by--
  • 00:25:02.724 --> 00:25:04.159
  • I didn't say a word to him.
  • 00:25:04.159 --> 00:25:05.794
  • He said, when you passed by the holy spirit said, the snare
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  • Of the fowler.
  • 00:25:10.098 --> 00:25:12.467
  • You've been caught in the snare of the fowler.
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  • And i just broke down crying.
  • 00:25:15.604 --> 00:25:18.006
  • I said, that's why i'm here, to tell you that i can't minister
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  • With you anymore. i told him what happened.
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  • He prayed with me.
  • 00:25:24.012 --> 00:25:25.180
  • And, you know, mother parsley prayed like crazy.
  • 00:25:25.180 --> 00:25:27.816
  • She prayed like she was jesus' sister.
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  • And that was the weakest point of my life.
  • 00:25:30.752 --> 00:25:34.289
  • For seven months, i sat and did nothing because i just knew it
  • 00:25:34.289 --> 00:25:38.393
  • Was all over. i was a failure.
  • 00:25:38.393 --> 00:25:42.764
  • My integrity was shot as far as i was concerned.
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  • I didn't want to go any further, and i didn't think
  • 00:25:46.901 --> 00:25:49.904
  • That i could ever gain my, uh,
  • 00:25:49.904 --> 00:25:52.574
  • Gain back the confidence of people.
  • 00:25:52.574 --> 00:25:56.111
  • And then i went and i heard at a, at a dove awards,
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  • ♪ we fall down, but we get up, we fall down, but we get up, ♪
  • 00:26:02.617 --> 00:26:09.691
  • ♪ we fall down but we get up ♪
  • 00:26:09.691 --> 00:26:12.994
  • ♪ a saint is just a sinner who fell down ♪
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  • And that's all i heard.
  • 00:26:16.965 --> 00:26:20.068
  • And that's the only thing that brought me back
  • 00:26:20.068 --> 00:26:22.737
  • To realize that god knew.
  • 00:26:22.737 --> 00:26:25.273
  • And then he brought me to proverbs and said, a just man
  • 00:26:25.273 --> 00:26:28.543
  • Falls seven times. a just man.
  • 00:26:28.543 --> 00:26:33.348
  • A just man falls seven times, but he rises back up again.
  • 00:26:33.348 --> 00:26:40.188
  • I said, well, how is he just?
  • 00:26:40.188 --> 00:26:43.191
  • Because his proclivitie did not stop god's mercy.
  • 00:26:43.191 --> 00:26:48.096
  • His failure didn't stop god's mercy.
  • 00:26:48.096 --> 00:26:49.931
  • Then he took me-- and i'm about to--
  • 00:26:49.931 --> 00:26:52.200
  • God help me.
  • 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:53.401
  • Then he took me to micah 7:8.
  • 00:26:53.401 --> 00:26:56.204
  • Micah 7:8 says,
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  • Rejoice not against me, o mine enemy.
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  • For when i fall, not if i fall.
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  • For when i fall i shall arise again.
  • 00:27:03.311 --> 00:27:06.948
  • And when i sit in darkness, god will be a light unto me.
  • 00:27:06.948 --> 00:27:10.719
  • And out of all the words that were preached to me, they
  • 00:27:10.719 --> 00:27:13.588
  • Didn't really hit me until god started talking to me through
  • 00:27:13.588 --> 00:27:17.058
  • These two scriptures.
  • 00:27:17.058 --> 00:27:18.526
  • Mhm. and started to show me.
  • 00:27:18.526 --> 00:27:20.895
  • Now let me use your fault and failure as a testimony to
  • 00:27:20.895 --> 00:27:26.801
  • Others if you're not ashamed to tell it.
  • 00:27:26.801 --> 00:27:28.803
  • Yeah. and that's been my salvation.
  • 00:27:28.803 --> 00:27:31.873
  • Aren't you basically
  • 00:27:31.873 --> 00:27:35.610
  • Almost telling the story of every human being on earth?
  • 00:27:35.610 --> 00:27:39.714
  • Isn't the difference between
  • 00:27:39.714 --> 00:27:42.917
  • Sitting here 30 years later,
  • 00:27:42.917 --> 00:27:47.288
  • Celebrating what god's done all over the world, all of these
  • 00:27:47.288 --> 00:27:51.993
  • Millions of stories of your music helping other people is
  • 00:27:51.993 --> 00:27:56.364
  • Because not that you fail, but that you got up.
  • 00:27:56.364 --> 00:28:00.502
  • Isn't that what we're trying to tell everybody?
  • 00:28:00.502 --> 00:28:03.671
  • The only difference is they think--
  • 00:28:03.671 --> 00:28:06.574
  • I think a lot of people think that if you're sitting here,
  • 00:28:06.574 --> 00:28:10.078
  • Then you've got it all together.
  • 00:28:10.078 --> 00:28:11.880
  • And if you're sitting here and the lights are pointed at you
  • 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:14.949
  • And you've got cameras with red lights, and you're the one
  • 00:28:14.949 --> 00:28:18.086
  • Getting ready to go do all the music down here and all the,
  • 00:28:18.086 --> 00:28:21.523
  • All that, that you've got it all together.
  • 00:28:21.523 --> 00:28:23.858
  • All you are is an example of somebody that got up.
  • 00:28:23.858 --> 00:28:26.795
  • You fell down, but you got up.
  • 00:28:26.795 --> 00:28:28.630
  • Isn't that kind of what we're trying to say?
  • 00:28:28.630 --> 00:28:31.466
  • If it were just that real, if it were just that real, that
  • 00:28:31.466 --> 00:28:37.872
  • People would be transparent.
  • 00:28:37.872 --> 00:28:41.376
  • The higher the seat, the bigger the mask, the higher the
  • 00:28:41.376 --> 00:28:46.648
  • Position, the more we cover.
  • 00:28:46.648 --> 00:28:50.118
  • And the truth of the matter is, the people need to see the
  • 00:28:50.118 --> 00:28:54.489
  • Grandeur as well as the faults and cracks and fissures.
  • 00:28:54.489 --> 00:28:59.194
  • They need to see how god can take somebody,
  • 00:28:59.194 --> 00:29:03.398
  • How god can take somebody who is literally unqualified.
  • 00:29:03.398 --> 00:29:09.704
  • And even after he puts him on a pedestal,
  • 00:29:09.704 --> 00:29:12.040
  • So people think that there's still these fissures, there's,
  • 00:29:12.040 --> 00:29:15.343
  • Still these cracks that people cannot see.
  • 00:29:15.343 --> 00:29:18.980
  • And the only thing that people want to really know is
  • 00:29:18.980 --> 00:29:22.784
  • How real is this thing?
  • 00:29:22.784 --> 00:29:27.722
  • Oh, people, they say, oh,
  • 00:29:25.086 --> 00:29:29.524
  • That's because you're donnie mcclurkin.
  • 00:29:29.524 --> 00:29:32.627
  • I've been donnie mcclurkin for 65 years.
  • 00:29:32.627 --> 00:29:35.530
  • There are stories i can't even
  • 00:29:35.530 --> 00:29:36.998
  • Tell you about donnie mcclurkin.
  • 00:29:36.998 --> 00:29:39.367
  • Donnie mcclurkin is full of the the ebbs and flows, the highs
  • 00:29:39.367 --> 00:29:43.271
  • And the lows.
  • 00:29:43.271 --> 00:29:44.973
  • There's so much that makes donnie mcclurkin, because if
  • 00:29:44.973 --> 00:29:48.810
  • You really want to see donnie mcclurkin?
  • 00:29:48.810 --> 00:29:50.645
  • He's a broken man. don't say that.
  • 00:29:50.645 --> 00:29:53.815
  • Don't say that. declare your strength.
  • 00:29:53.815 --> 00:29:58.987
  • Donnie mcclurkin came into this thing as a broken man with a
  • 00:29:58.987 --> 00:30:03.625
  • Gift and an anointing that i didn't understand because it
  • 00:30:03.625 --> 00:30:08.129
  • Worked so well in this category.
  • 00:30:08.129 --> 00:30:11.633
  • But then i was still so broken over in this set.
  • 00:30:11.633 --> 00:30:15.536
  • And it taught me how to pretend in a, in a way that was
  • 00:30:15.536 --> 00:30:20.541
  • Detrimental, until finally god started showing me the truth
  • 00:30:20.541 --> 00:30:26.047
  • And the benefit of transparency.
  • 00:30:26.047 --> 00:30:28.216
  • Mhm. because i can reach more people being transparent than i
  • 00:30:28.216 --> 00:30:32.120
  • Can standing as though i'm some stoic, you know, pharisee that
  • 00:30:32.120 --> 00:30:36.024
  • That has everything together. no, man.
  • 00:30:36.024 --> 00:30:39.527
  • It's a mystery, though, donnie, because the bible does say, let
  • 00:30:39.527 --> 00:30:43.331
  • The weak say i am strong.
  • 00:30:43.331 --> 00:30:45.934
  • Paul said, i boast in my weakness.
  • 00:30:45.934 --> 00:30:47.969
  • I boast in my weaknesses
  • 00:30:47.969 --> 00:30:49.037
  • Because that's where he's made--
  • 00:30:49.037 --> 00:30:50.471
  • There's a, there's a weird paradox.
  • 00:30:50.471 --> 00:30:52.073
  • I asked my dad, um,
  • 00:30:52.073 --> 00:30:55.443
  • You know, when he was about 70, sitting right here on this
  • 00:30:55.443 --> 00:30:59.447
  • Property where we are here in nashville, and i asked my dad,
  • 00:30:59.447 --> 00:31:04.185
  • Dad, look, you know, everyone knows roughly what god
  • 00:31:04.185 --> 00:31:08.656
  • Called you to do.
  • 00:31:08.656 --> 00:31:10.191
  • He called you to establish
  • 00:31:10.191 --> 00:31:13.394
  • A christian television.
  • 00:31:13.394 --> 00:31:15.029
  • My dad saw satellite in visual effects.
  • 00:31:15.029 --> 00:31:19.901
  • Donnie, looked up at the ceiling and saw a picture of satellites
  • 00:31:19.901 --> 00:31:24.038
  • Around the world.
  • 00:31:24.038 --> 00:31:25.840
  • He had to say, lord, what am i seeing?
  • 00:31:25.840 --> 00:31:28.476
  • When the lord says the word satellite to you, you know
  • 00:31:28.476 --> 00:31:32.914
  • That's a clue. go after satellite.
  • 00:31:32.914 --> 00:31:35.316
  • And he established a satellite signal all over the world.
  • 00:31:35.316 --> 00:31:41.122
  • And so as i was interviewing my dad,
  • 00:31:41.122 --> 00:31:45.593
  • I said, dad, there isn't anybody that knows you well
  • 00:31:45.593 --> 00:31:50.131
  • Enough to know what god called you to do, and then would
  • 00:31:50.131 --> 00:31:52.934
  • Honestly look at what, what, what god accomplished in your
  • 00:31:52.934 --> 00:31:56.070
  • 40 years here as the head of tbn, that you haven't done
  • 00:31:56.070 --> 00:32:01.809
  • Exactly what god's called you to do.
  • 00:32:01.809 --> 00:32:03.678
  • What does that feel like?
  • 00:32:03.678 --> 00:32:07.515
  • And he paused for a moment and just kind of blurted out
  • 00:32:07.515 --> 00:32:11.019
  • The word, challenge. mhm.
  • 00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:13.087
  • And i went, well, that's super interesting
  • 00:32:13.087 --> 00:32:17.725
  • Because you actually won the race.
  • 00:32:17.725 --> 00:32:22.130
  • You did what god called you to do and everybody can see it.
  • 00:32:22.130 --> 00:32:24.932
  • But it's, it's still a challenge to you.
  • 00:32:24.932 --> 00:32:27.668
  • Is that still what it feels like?
  • 00:32:27.668 --> 00:32:30.138
  • And in an odd way, that was a comfort to me because i was a
  • 00:32:30.138 --> 00:32:33.141
  • Young businessman thinking that every friday at payday was my
  • 00:32:33.141 --> 00:32:36.778
  • Last payroll i'd ever be able to have anybody on staff,
  • 00:32:36.778 --> 00:32:39.313
  • You know. it just-- you know.
  • 00:32:39.313 --> 00:32:41.215
  • And so i always thought, donnie, there was something
  • 00:32:41.215 --> 00:32:43.951
  • Wrong with me.
  • 00:32:43.951 --> 00:32:45.386
  • My dad had it all together.
  • 00:32:45.386 --> 00:32:47.588
  • I didn't, you know. you probably lived a very similar
  • 00:32:47.588 --> 00:32:53.327
  • Thing, that i don't have it all together, but
  • 00:32:53.327 --> 00:32:56.297
  • Oh, my gosh, i just got called the anointed one by nelson
  • 00:32:56.297 --> 00:33:00.068
  • Mandela in front of 50,000 people.
  • 00:33:00.068 --> 00:33:03.004
  • And there's, there's this dichotomy going on that what
  • 00:33:03.004 --> 00:33:07.642
  • Are we going to believe? as a man thinks,
  • 00:33:07.642 --> 00:33:11.512
  • So is he. so is he.
  • 00:33:11.512 --> 00:33:13.281
  • And it feels like what god is asking you to do is just
  • 00:33:13.281 --> 00:33:17.351
  • Believe his word about what he says about you, no matter what
  • 00:33:17.351 --> 00:33:20.721
  • The reality is.
  • 00:33:20.721 --> 00:33:21.956
  • That's a dichotomy that we won't understand until we're
  • 00:33:21.956 --> 00:33:24.292
  • In heaven at all.
  • 00:33:24.292 --> 00:33:25.660
  • You've lived that.
  • 00:33:25.660 --> 00:33:26.894
  • What does that feel like?
  • 00:33:26.894 --> 00:33:28.296
  • It's a yo-yo effect.
  • 00:33:28.296 --> 00:33:31.032
  • It's a journey and challenge i think is the
  • 00:33:31.032 --> 00:33:35.503
  • Perfect word because it, it makes it so that you have to
  • 00:33:35.503 --> 00:33:41.142
  • Live by faith and not by facts. hey.
  • 00:33:41.142 --> 00:33:44.145
  • You cannot live by the factuality of your
  • 00:33:44.145 --> 00:33:47.582
  • Proclivities, your predilections,
  • 00:33:47.582 --> 00:33:49.684
  • The you that you were born and raised to be.
  • 00:33:49.684 --> 00:33:53.020
  • You have to live by the faith of god.
  • 00:33:53.020 --> 00:33:55.923
  • One of my favorite scriptures is i am crucified with christ,
  • 00:33:55.923 --> 00:33:59.760
  • Galatians 2:20, nevertheless, i live.
  • 00:33:59.760 --> 00:34:03.364
  • But it's not i, but it's christ that's living in me and the
  • 00:34:03.364 --> 00:34:07.468
  • Life that i now live in this flesh.
  • 00:34:07.468 --> 00:34:09.370
  • I have to live it by faith. there it is.
  • 00:34:09.370 --> 00:34:11.906
  • In the son of god, who loved me and gave himself for me.
  • 00:34:11.906 --> 00:34:15.476
  • Colossians 3:1-3,
  • 00:34:15.476 --> 00:34:16.811
  • If ye then be risen with christ.
  • 00:34:16.811 --> 00:34:18.980
  • Donnie, stop looking at the stuff that's around you.
  • 00:34:18.980 --> 00:34:21.983
  • Stop looking at the broken side of you.
  • 00:34:21.983 --> 00:34:23.985
  • Seek those things which are above
  • 00:34:23.985 --> 00:34:25.553
  • Where christ sits at the right hand of god.
  • 00:34:25.553 --> 00:34:27.922
  • Set all of your affection on things above and not on the
  • 00:34:27.922 --> 00:34:31.392
  • Broken cycles of the things of the earth below.
  • 00:34:31.392 --> 00:34:34.128
  • For you are now dead to the old donnie.
  • 00:34:34.128 --> 00:34:36.898
  • You are dead, and your life is hidden.
  • 00:34:36.898 --> 00:34:39.901
  • All the stuff that you did and all this stuff that happened
  • 00:34:39.901 --> 00:34:42.537
  • And all the stuff that went
  • 00:34:42.537 --> 00:34:43.771
  • Wrong is hidden with christ in god.
  • 00:34:43.771 --> 00:34:46.574
  • Pray for people right now, donnie. love on them.
  • 00:34:46.574 --> 00:34:48.843
  • Pray for them. lead him to jesus.
  • 00:34:48.843 --> 00:34:50.545
  • If i can, if i can. do it.
  • 00:34:50.545 --> 00:34:52.947
  • I'm telling you, this wonderful world, this wonderful walk
  • 00:34:52.947 --> 00:34:56.918
  • Called christianity,
  • 00:34:56.918 --> 00:34:58.953
  • It is absolutely mandatory that you walk it by faith
  • 00:34:58.953 --> 00:35:03.991
  • Because if you try to do it on your own accord, you'll be
  • 00:35:03.991 --> 00:35:07.261
  • Quite disappointed and you'll feel inferior and inadequate.
  • 00:35:07.261 --> 00:35:11.699
  • The only strength that we have comes from god, and it comes
  • 00:35:11.699 --> 00:35:15.336
  • From his word.
  • 00:35:15.336 --> 00:35:16.737
  • And his promise is always yea and amen.
  • 00:35:16.737 --> 00:35:19.807
  • So no matter who you are, you are qualified,
  • 00:35:19.807 --> 00:35:22.910
  • You are worthy, you are called by god and there's a purpose
  • 00:35:22.910 --> 00:35:26.547
  • For your life.
  • 00:35:26.547 --> 00:35:27.648
  • Even if you haven't discovered it yet, you will.
  • 00:35:27.648 --> 00:35:30.751
  • Continue on the walk.
  • 00:35:30.751 --> 00:35:32.119
  • So i pray for every one of you that are watching.
  • 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.355
  • Thank you lord.
  • 00:35:34.355 --> 00:35:35.623
  • In the mighty name of our lord jesus christ, that you would
  • 00:35:35.623 --> 00:35:38.659
  • Rise up and follow him into your destiny, that you would
  • 00:35:38.659 --> 00:35:42.997
  • Break free from every chain of bondage that has come through
  • 00:35:42.997 --> 00:35:46.033
  • The history of your life.
  • 00:35:46.033 --> 00:35:47.568
  • I pray that you'd be free from every shackle that has ever
  • 00:35:47.568 --> 00:35:51.205
  • Been generationally put upon you, and that you would rise up
  • 00:35:51.205 --> 00:35:54.375
  • Into the glory of whom god's called you to be, and that you
  • 00:35:54.375 --> 00:35:57.645
  • Would live this thing out until the coming of jesus christ.
  • 00:35:57.645 --> 00:36:00.881
  • That there would be no fear,
  • 00:36:00.881 --> 00:36:02.450
  • That there would be no insecurities.
  • 00:36:02.450 --> 00:36:04.318
  • That there would be no hindrances that would hold you
  • 00:36:04.318 --> 00:36:06.520
  • Back, for the only thing that you can do that will be
  • 00:36:06.520 --> 00:36:10.725
  • Successful is obey god, follow him, and in jesus's name see
  • 00:36:10.725 --> 00:36:16.530
  • The miraculous power.
  • 00:36:16.530 --> 00:36:18.099
  • I tell the people in our church
  • 00:36:18.099 --> 00:36:19.433
  • All the time, watch my god work.
  • 00:36:19.433 --> 00:36:23.471
  • Watch him work in your life.
  • 00:36:23.471 --> 00:36:24.972
  • Thank you lord. amen.
  • 00:36:24.972 --> 00:36:26.641
  • Amen. think of it.
  • 00:36:26.641 --> 00:36:28.409
  • Um, decades ago, when you were sitting across from paul and
  • 00:36:28.409 --> 00:36:34.181
  • Jan crouch, not matt laurie crouch,
  • 00:36:34.181 --> 00:36:37.385
  • He would have told you to do the exact same thing, donnie.
  • 00:36:37.385 --> 00:36:40.721
  • Look and pray for the folks who--
  • 00:36:40.721 --> 00:36:42.023
  • Did several thousand times.
  • 00:36:42.023 --> 00:36:44.091
  • Just we're just doing the same thing that we've been doing.
  • 00:36:44.091 --> 00:36:47.194
  • God has been with us.
  • 00:36:47.194 --> 00:36:48.462
  • We're going to continue to do what god's called us to do.
  • 00:36:48.462 --> 00:36:51.198
  • When you think back, you mentioned at the very beginning
  • 00:36:51.198 --> 00:36:55.670
  • Of this story you sat next to at an event for t.d.
  • 00:36:55.670 --> 00:36:59.407
  • Jakes in atlanta, a pink haired lady who looked at you and
  • 00:36:59.407 --> 00:37:03.611
  • Said, what's your name, young man?
  • 00:37:03.611 --> 00:37:06.147
  • You know, [laughter]
  • 00:37:06.147 --> 00:37:09.617
  • And that began our time together.
  • 00:37:09.617 --> 00:37:14.789
  • When you think back all those years ago and all of this time
  • 00:37:14.789 --> 00:37:19.794
  • That's passed and all everything that's happened and
  • 00:37:19.794 --> 00:37:23.531
  • Things we've seen good, bad and indifferent,
  • 00:37:23.531 --> 00:37:28.436
  • What do you think about your
  • 00:37:28.436 --> 00:37:31.806
  • Interface with paul and jan crouch?
  • 00:37:31.806 --> 00:37:33.908
  • What does it what does it make you think about?
  • 00:37:33.908 --> 00:37:35.976
  • What are you thinking about when you think of them?
  • 00:37:35.976 --> 00:37:38.512
  • You know, um,
  • 00:37:38.512 --> 00:37:40.247
  • The bible says the steps of a
  • 00:37:40.247 --> 00:37:41.549
  • Good man are ordered by the lord.
  • 00:37:41.549 --> 00:37:44.185
  • I don't consider myself good except for in him.
  • 00:37:44.185 --> 00:37:47.455
  • But when god orchestrates things,
  • 00:37:47.455 --> 00:37:51.192
  • It's most unconventional.
  • 00:37:51.192 --> 00:37:54.762
  • Most unconventional.
  • 00:37:54.762 --> 00:37:56.297
  • But the interaction between your mom and dad and myself has
  • 00:37:56.297 --> 00:38:01.969
  • Been life changing for me.
  • 00:38:01.969 --> 00:38:03.971
  • Um, i remember we were in haiti together.
  • 00:38:03.971 --> 00:38:07.875
  • All of us were in haiti.
  • 00:38:07.875 --> 00:38:09.577
  • And i had been in the hospital.
  • 00:38:09.577 --> 00:38:12.146
  • And while i was in the hospital, your mother called.
  • 00:38:12.146 --> 00:38:16.584
  • And i'd never heard your mother like this before
  • 00:38:16.584 --> 00:38:19.086
  • In my life. i've always heard the soft spoken, jan.
  • 00:38:19.086 --> 00:38:21.989
  • Oh, my donnie,
  • 00:38:21.989 --> 00:38:23.491
  • Your mother was so aggressive,
  • 00:38:23.491 --> 00:38:27.628
  • And she bound death.
  • 00:38:27.628 --> 00:38:29.997
  • And she bound sickness.
  • 00:38:29.997 --> 00:38:32.366
  • And she--
  • 00:38:32.366 --> 00:38:33.367
  • I mean, she roared over the telephone,
  • 00:38:33.367 --> 00:38:36.270
  • And you get away from him!
  • 00:38:36.270 --> 00:38:39.106
  • And there was no niceties.
  • 00:38:39.106 --> 00:38:41.542
  • There was no, hi, my donnie.
  • 00:38:41.542 --> 00:38:43.277
  • She said, are you-- where are you?
  • 00:38:43.277 --> 00:38:44.612
  • I said, i'm in the hospital. and she went into prayer
  • 00:38:44.612 --> 00:38:48.015
  • Like nobody's business.
  • 00:38:48.015 --> 00:38:51.819
  • Two days later they released me from the hospital.
  • 00:38:51.819 --> 00:38:53.721
  • Thank you lord.
  • 00:38:53.721 --> 00:38:54.889
  • I was in haiti with you, talking to your mother on the
  • 00:38:54.889 --> 00:38:57.625
  • Phone while we were in the van, going to the orphanage
  • 00:38:57.625 --> 00:39:00.828
  • Or wherever that was we were.
  • 00:39:00.828 --> 00:39:02.830
  • And how are you doing? then i got the nice jan.
  • 00:39:02.830 --> 00:39:05.866
  • How are you doing, my--
  • 00:39:05.866 --> 00:39:07.835
  • I'm saying, jan, you saved my life.
  • 00:39:07.835 --> 00:39:10.771
  • Thank you. oh, glory to god.
  • 00:39:10.771 --> 00:39:13.040
  • God is so good.
  • 00:39:13.040 --> 00:39:14.875
  • And those are the kind of encounters when i sat on the
  • 00:39:14.875 --> 00:39:19.246
  • Stage before i got on stage,
  • 00:39:19.246 --> 00:39:20.981
  • And your father came into my room because i was petrified.
  • 00:39:20.981 --> 00:39:25.486
  • And he just said, no, just, just we're just going to be,
  • 00:39:25.486 --> 00:39:28.689
  • We're just going to talk.
  • 00:39:28.689 --> 00:39:29.890
  • Just be you.
  • 00:39:29.890 --> 00:39:31.192
  • Hey, if he said, if you weren't supposed to be here,
  • 00:39:31.192 --> 00:39:33.360
  • You wouldn't be here. thank you lord.
  • 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.262
  • If you weren't--
  • 00:39:35.262 --> 00:39:36.430
  • And those are the things because i'm in front of a globe
  • 00:39:36.430 --> 00:39:39.433
  • Now, and your father had to talk me down out of my nerves
  • 00:39:39.433 --> 00:39:43.971
  • And teach me how to do this so that i could do it 50 times, so
  • 00:39:43.971 --> 00:39:48.609
  • I could go from being a guest to a host.
  • 00:39:48.609 --> 00:39:52.112
  • And that is all because of what your mom and your dad showed
  • 00:39:52.112 --> 00:39:55.549
  • Me, taught me, introduced me to, opened the world up to me.
  • 00:39:55.549 --> 00:39:59.820
  • That is no small feat.
  • 00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:01.822
  • That's no small thing.
  • 00:40:01.822 --> 00:40:03.190
  • I don't take it lightly or for granted.
  • 00:40:03.190 --> 00:40:05.726
  • It all happened because of two people who followed god and
  • 00:40:05.726 --> 00:40:10.097
  • Started a global network.
  • 00:40:10.097 --> 00:40:15.402
  • What are you-- what are you thinking?
  • 00:40:15.402 --> 00:40:16.937
  • I just love it
  • 00:40:16.937 --> 00:40:19.740
  • When you talk about mom like that.
  • 00:40:19.740 --> 00:40:21.308
  • That's exactly the way she was.
  • 00:40:21.308 --> 00:40:23.077
  • Of course. i mean--
  • 00:40:23.077 --> 00:40:24.144
  • Very few knew her that way, though.
  • 00:40:24.144 --> 00:40:26.413
  • Yeah. if you needed anything--
  • 00:40:26.413 --> 00:40:28.849
  • Anything. yeah. any--
  • 00:40:28.849 --> 00:40:30.384
  • Prayer. she would take me down,
  • 00:40:30.384 --> 00:40:32.720
  • She'd fly me down to orlando,
  • 00:40:32.720 --> 00:40:34.922
  • Her baby. that, that, orlando was her baby.
  • 00:40:34.922 --> 00:40:38.759
  • We would put hard hats on before they finished buildingn
  • 00:40:38.759 --> 00:40:42.162
  • Hard hats on now.
  • 00:40:42.162 --> 00:40:44.798
  • She's got pink hair.
  • 00:40:44.798 --> 00:40:46.967
  • She's got long, flowing chiffon pants and and puts a hard hat
  • 00:40:46.967 --> 00:40:52.506
  • On and walks me through the whole of the construction
  • 00:40:52.506 --> 00:40:56.677
  • That's going on. and this was--
  • 00:40:56.677 --> 00:41:00.147
  • And then sit down and show me the blueprints and show me how
  • 00:41:00.147 --> 00:41:02.917
  • It's going to be.
  • 00:41:02.917 --> 00:41:04.919
  • I don't know how i gained that kind of favor except for god.
  • 00:41:04.919 --> 00:41:09.490
  • I don't know how.
  • 00:41:09.490 --> 00:41:10.591
  • Your description of my mom made me think. i was
  • 00:41:10.591 --> 00:41:16.130
  • Very close to president trump one time, and i said, you know,
  • 00:41:16.130 --> 00:41:20.768
  • My mom and he said, i do?
  • 00:41:20.768 --> 00:41:22.937
  • Who's your mom? i said, jan crouch.
  • 00:41:22.937 --> 00:41:26.206
  • And he kind of did this kind of like, yeah, i've heard the
  • 00:41:26.206 --> 00:41:28.676
  • Name, but i can't really place it.
  • 00:41:28.676 --> 00:41:30.144
  • And i said-- and he looked at me kind of like that, and i looked
  • 00:41:30.144 --> 00:41:33.213
  • At him and i go, mr. president? pink hair. jan crouch.
  • 00:41:33.213 --> 00:41:38.018
  • He went, oh my gosh. that's your mother?
  • 00:41:38.018 --> 00:41:42.957
  • That's your mother?
  • 00:41:42.957 --> 00:41:44.058
  • She loves me. she loves me.
  • 00:41:44.058 --> 00:41:47.061
  • You know, and the funniest story, i heard this recently.
  • 00:41:47.061 --> 00:41:51.699
  • I literally-- i wasn't there.
  • 00:41:51.699 --> 00:41:53.534
  • I'm not saying it's true, but jentezen franklin told me
  • 00:41:53.534 --> 00:41:57.438
  • It's true, that there was some meeting.
  • 00:41:57.438 --> 00:42:00.908
  • I never-- i'm not a political guy.
  • 00:42:00.908 --> 00:42:02.743
  • I don't really get into the politics side very much.
  • 00:42:02.743 --> 00:42:05.346
  • I like content, i like what you're about to do down here.
  • 00:42:05.346 --> 00:42:08.115
  • I love seeing content made and, and, uh, but my mom,
  • 00:42:08.115 --> 00:42:13.554
  • Uh, went to some meeting somewhere at the trump tower.
  • 00:42:13.554 --> 00:42:17.725
  • This is before he's president the first time.
  • 00:42:17.725 --> 00:42:20.761
  • Okay. way back.
  • 00:42:20.761 --> 00:42:22.296
  • And this story got told to me by jensen.
  • 00:42:22.296 --> 00:42:25.566
  • And he's a preacher, and i don't think he was lying.
  • 00:42:25.566 --> 00:42:27.568
  • Okay. thank you. this really happened.
  • 00:42:27.568 --> 00:42:29.737
  • You could have been there, i don't know.
  • 00:42:29.737 --> 00:42:30.938
  • You know, you might-- you might be a witness to it.
  • 00:42:30.938 --> 00:42:33.207
  • And they were in some kind of a big boardroom that was near a
  • 00:42:33.207 --> 00:42:38.379
  • Lobby, so that when the elevators dinged, you could
  • 00:42:38.379 --> 00:42:41.415
  • Actually see the elevators from the boardroom had glass
  • 00:42:41.415 --> 00:42:44.752
  • So you could see.
  • 00:42:44.752 --> 00:42:46.854
  • So there's, you know, 30 people sitting around a big boardroom
  • 00:42:46.854 --> 00:42:50.124
  • And, and a bunch of preachers.
  • 00:42:50.124 --> 00:42:52.226
  • And my mom's late to the meeting, and the elevator dings
  • 00:42:52.226 --> 00:42:55.963
  • And the doors open and there pink chiffon and
  • 00:42:55.963 --> 00:42:58.866
  • Pink hair steps out.
  • 00:42:58.866 --> 00:43:02.102
  • Can you imagine all those baptist preachers looking over
  • 00:43:02.102 --> 00:43:06.640
  • And seeing jan crouch?
  • 00:43:06.640 --> 00:43:08.509
  • Before he was president,
  • 00:43:08.509 --> 00:43:11.345
  • Donald trump stands up, walks all the way out to the
  • 00:43:11.345 --> 00:43:14.615
  • Elevator, takes her by the hand, walks her back in, makes
  • 00:43:14.615 --> 00:43:18.886
  • Somebody sit next to him, get
  • 00:43:18.886 --> 00:43:20.654
  • Up and move, sits her next to him.
  • 00:43:20.654 --> 00:43:24.091
  • And then, jensen swears this is true,
  • 00:43:24.091 --> 00:43:27.695
  • They sat and held hands
  • 00:43:27.695 --> 00:43:30.831
  • For 30 minutes during the meeting.
  • 00:43:30.831 --> 00:43:35.402
  • And when i said to him, yeah, jan crouch, pink hair.
  • 00:43:35.402 --> 00:43:38.305
  • He went, oh my gosh.
  • 00:43:38.305 --> 00:43:40.074
  • And i remember as he was leaving one time, he looked
  • 00:43:40.074 --> 00:43:42.943
  • Back over his shoulder at me and, and i was with mike
  • 00:43:42.943 --> 00:43:46.313
  • Huckabee in the white house and, and he goes, jan crouch.
  • 00:43:46.313 --> 00:43:50.584
  • She loved me.
  • 00:43:50.584 --> 00:43:51.852
  • You know, like so very few people--
  • 00:43:51.852 --> 00:43:56.590
  • You can say that.
  • 00:43:56.590 --> 00:43:57.491
  • You know, jan crouch, she loved me.
  • 00:43:57.491 --> 00:44:00.527
  • I can say that. yeah.
  • 00:44:00.527 --> 00:44:02.429
  • Because i'm telling you, the way that she treated me was,
  • 00:44:02.429 --> 00:44:08.535
  • Well, i believe that i was her favorite.
  • 00:44:08.535 --> 00:44:10.704
  • Yeah, i believe that i was her favorite.
  • 00:44:10.704 --> 00:44:12.539
  • The way that she treated me.
  • 00:44:12.539 --> 00:44:13.774
  • And no matter when i came to any studio that she was at,
  • 00:44:13.774 --> 00:44:17.544
  • She was there, at the praise a thons--
  • 00:44:17.544 --> 00:44:20.180
  • Come on now.
  • 00:44:20.180 --> 00:44:21.048
  • I had to sing seven different times.
  • 00:44:21.048 --> 00:44:23.917
  • That's true. and sing it again, donnie
  • 00:44:23.917 --> 00:44:26.653
  • Sing it again.
  • 00:44:26.653 --> 00:44:28.288
  • I'm like, i'm about to die up here.
  • 00:44:28.288 --> 00:44:31.759
  • Sing it again! or i'm sitting next to her
  • 00:44:31.759 --> 00:44:34.128
  • At the praise a thon, sitting next to her,
  • 00:44:34.128 --> 00:44:36.997
  • And i'm nodding off.
  • 00:44:36.997 --> 00:44:38.999
  • I'm nodding off, and she's grabbed me, hit my hands.
  • 00:44:38.999 --> 00:44:42.770
  • Said hallelujah.
  • 00:44:42.770 --> 00:44:45.773
  • Hallelujah. and donnie's going to sing for us.
  • 00:44:45.773 --> 00:44:50.277
  • When we got back, we were in
  • 00:44:50.277 --> 00:44:53.147
  • Orlando and we got back in the,
  • 00:44:53.147 --> 00:44:55.182
  • You know, crystal dressing rooms.
  • 00:44:55.182 --> 00:44:56.683
  • Yeah.
  • 00:44:56.683 --> 00:44:57.684
  • And she said, i'll bet that'll wake you up.
  • 00:44:57.684 --> 00:45:01.789
  • Crystal dressing room. [laughing]
  • 00:45:01.789 --> 00:45:03.791
  • Just for your information,
  • 00:45:03.791 --> 00:45:05.592
  • We didn't have crystal dressing rooms.
  • 00:45:05.592 --> 00:45:07.261
  • No. there's mirrors.
  • 00:45:07.261 --> 00:45:08.295
  • The mirrors. all simulated crystal.
  • 00:45:08.295 --> 00:45:11.732
  • She said, i bet that'll wake you up.
  • 00:45:11.732 --> 00:45:16.804
  • Okay. so if we think about over all these years,
  • 00:45:16.804 --> 00:45:23.243
  • Start helping me kind of land the plane here.
  • 00:45:23.243 --> 00:45:27.714
  • We've been talking about the highs, the lows,
  • 00:45:27.714 --> 00:45:30.818
  • The challenge, the this.
  • 00:45:30.818 --> 00:45:32.452
  • We've talked about, we've put pictures of, you
  • 00:45:32.452 --> 00:45:36.390
  • Know, kings and queens and you know, presidents and you know,
  • 00:45:36.390 --> 00:45:40.828
  • There's been a lot. and then there's times of
  • 00:45:40.828 --> 00:45:44.031
  • Despair that we've talked about,
  • 00:45:44.031 --> 00:45:46.433
  • And you thinking your ministry life was done, uh, a righteous
  • 00:45:46.433 --> 00:45:52.139
  • Man falls seven times, but apparently the definition is
  • 00:45:52.139 --> 00:45:55.209
  • About how many times you get back up.
  • 00:45:55.209 --> 00:45:57.044
  • Yes.
  • 00:45:57.044 --> 00:45:58.912
  • So we're we're kind of talking about this big story
  • 00:45:58.912 --> 00:46:02.950
  • Of my virtually adopted brother, uh, donnie mcclurkin
  • 00:46:02.950 --> 00:46:08.989
  • And how
  • 00:46:08.989 --> 00:46:11.225
  • There was this movement, and you realize tbn is, uh, got a
  • 00:46:11.225 --> 00:46:18.732
  • Statistic that 30%, 28 to 30%
  • 00:46:18.732 --> 00:46:23.537
  • Of our viewership is african american.
  • 00:46:23.537 --> 00:46:26.640
  • Well, second only to the bet channel.
  • 00:46:26.640 --> 00:46:29.643
  • So you see, we have the whatever god wanted to do when
  • 00:46:29.643 --> 00:46:35.282
  • He started speaking as the voice of tbn through many
  • 00:46:35.282 --> 00:46:39.753
  • People, the right people got drawn, the right people got
  • 00:46:39.753 --> 00:46:44.291
  • Adopted, the right people's voice got pulled together so
  • 00:46:44.291 --> 00:46:50.197
  • That god could make this
  • 00:46:50.197 --> 00:46:53.834
  • Beautiful, you know, expression
  • 00:46:53.834 --> 00:46:57.204
  • Of who he is for all these years.
  • 00:46:57.204 --> 00:47:00.774
  • You're one of the voices, donnie.
  • 00:47:00.774 --> 00:47:02.609
  • You're one of the pillars.
  • 00:47:02.609 --> 00:47:04.244
  • I look around and, you know, my mom was responsible
  • 00:47:04.244 --> 00:47:09.082
  • For some of what this room looks like.
  • 00:47:09.082 --> 00:47:12.352
  • And i'm looking at all these pillars, and i'm thinking
  • 00:47:12.352 --> 00:47:15.689
  • Of the pillars of the voices.
  • 00:47:15.689 --> 00:47:18.225
  • And that that one could be donnie mcclurkin right there.
  • 00:47:18.225 --> 00:47:20.994
  • And there could be t.d. jakes or ev hill
  • 00:47:20.994 --> 00:47:23.230
  • Is here, you know. i mean, uh, buck and dottie rambo could be,
  • 00:47:23.230 --> 00:47:27.634
  • You know, one of these pillars and all the the voices, you
  • 00:47:27.634 --> 00:47:30.904
  • Know, uh, vestal goodman, you know, bill gaither, you know.
  • 00:47:30.904 --> 00:47:35.008
  • Vestal.
  • 00:47:35.008 --> 00:47:38.478
  • And when you when you think of what god did to collect
  • 00:47:38.478 --> 00:47:42.649
  • These voices, laurie and i are on a mission to really circle
  • 00:47:42.649 --> 00:47:47.921
  • Back and do a lot of these interviews because you have the
  • 00:47:47.921 --> 00:47:54.461
  • Maturity now that your voice matters.
  • 00:47:54.461 --> 00:47:57.998
  • It's always built tbn, but now you can look back and go, yeah,
  • 00:47:57.998 --> 00:48:03.637
  • Young, young person.
  • 00:48:03.637 --> 00:48:05.605
  • You know, sonny, i've been around 30 years, you know, and
  • 00:48:05.605 --> 00:48:10.510
  • And you know, i've got the
  • 00:48:10.510 --> 00:48:12.045
  • Right color hair, you got no hair.
  • 00:48:12.045 --> 00:48:13.880
  • So we qualify at some point to be, you know, getting to say
  • 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:19.720
  • A thing or two.
  • 00:48:19.720 --> 00:48:21.621
  • You're here, you've been around, you've had the highs,
  • 00:48:21.621 --> 00:48:26.259
  • You've had the lows, you've had the middles.
  • 00:48:26.259 --> 00:48:30.330
  • What say ye, donnie mcclurkin?
  • 00:48:30.330 --> 00:48:33.533
  • Uh, in conclusion? what is it
  • 00:48:33.533 --> 00:48:36.103
  • That your heart wants to express?
  • 00:48:36.103 --> 00:48:38.705
  • Uh, at the end of this particular broadcast?
  • 00:48:38.705 --> 00:48:42.275
  • Um, i think more than anything else, my expression would be
  • 00:48:42.275 --> 00:48:46.246
  • Toward you two. mm.
  • 00:48:46.246 --> 00:48:50.283
  • What seems to have been a, uh, you know, a natural course of
  • 00:48:50.283 --> 00:48:55.555
  • Transition of power,
  • 00:48:55.555 --> 00:48:58.025
  • It's much more intense than most people understand.
  • 00:48:58.025 --> 00:49:02.829
  • For you all to take on this ministry from your mom and dad,
  • 00:49:02.829 --> 00:49:08.235
  • The highs, the lows of it, and to continue it circling the
  • 00:49:08.235 --> 00:49:12.139
  • Globe and to perfect it,
  • 00:49:12.139 --> 00:49:14.975
  • To make it greater than it was based on the foundation that
  • 00:49:14.975 --> 00:49:18.879
  • Was laid, that's herculean.
  • 00:49:18.879 --> 00:49:22.482
  • That's more than meets the eye.
  • 00:49:22.482 --> 00:49:24.684
  • And while you've got billions of people watching every single
  • 00:49:24.684 --> 00:49:27.721
  • Week, billions of people around this world that have confidence
  • 00:49:27.721 --> 00:49:32.426
  • In the ministry, whenever they turn on their tbn channel,
  • 00:49:32.426 --> 00:49:36.029
  • They've got confidence in this ministry.
  • 00:49:36.029 --> 00:49:38.265
  • It lies on the shoulders of the two of you and those that are
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  • Walking alongside of you.
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  • You have a responsibility to make sure that this gospel of
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  • Jesus christ circles the entire globe.
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  • Thank you lord. the entire globe.
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  • 8.2 billion people on this earth.
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  • 340 million americans.
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  • You have that responsibility, and you take it and
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  • You're wearing it.
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  • And god has given you the grace to carry this load.
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  • God has given you-- the bible said he gives us more grace.
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  • He's given you the grace to be able to develop programing that
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  • Can reach people in every different culture.
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  • It is not a monoculture.
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  • It is in every different culture.
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  • So in the conclusion of all of that we're talking about now,
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  • It is about the continuance of tbn reaching people throughout
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  • Every continent
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  • Around this entire world.
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  • I don't think people understand the magnitude of this.
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  • I don't think that they can.
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  • All they know is that when i turn my television on, i can
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  • See 24 hour christian programing that will never end
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  • Until jesus comes back.
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  • Thank you lord.
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  • It will never cease.
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  • Thank you lord.
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  • There will never be a time that this goes dark until
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  • Jesus comes back.
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  • And this is what has been passed down.
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  • This is the baton.
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  • This is the mantle that elisha received from elijah.
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  • This is the baton passed on to you all to carry this gospel so
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  • That more souls will come in.
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  • You will never-- pastor winans wrote a song.
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  • Pastor marvin winans wrote a song.
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  • He said,
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  • ♪ for we may never know all the people we have touched ♪
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  • ♪ for we may never know all the lives that we have reached ♪
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  • ♪ but we know you know ♪
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  • ♪ for a record you do keep and win the end ♪
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  • ♪ this final plea begin ♪
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  • ♪ we will receive a great reward for what we've done ♪
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  • The reward that your mother and father have already received.
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  • He's a wonder in my soul.
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  • And i'm not going to speak in tongues.
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  • The reward that your mother and father has received when they
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  • Crossed over into the glory and heard jesus wrap his arms
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  • Around them and say, well done, paul.
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  • Well done, jan, well done, good and faithful servant.
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  • Enter into the joy of your lord.
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  • Now you are right behind continuing this ministry that
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  • God has graced your mom and father to start.
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  • You will be the finisher, and those that are under your sons
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  • Will continue this ministry by the grace of god.
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  • So that's my, that's my conclusion, is that i'm sitting
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  • In a place that is destined.
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  • This is not just a crouch legacy.
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  • This is a christ legacy.
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  • And to god be the glory for all the work that god has given you
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  • All to do, and the strength and the vision and the creativity
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  • To do it. amen.
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  • ♪♪ will receive a great reward for what we've done ♪♪
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