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Doug Giles: When Pain Becomes God's Purpose | Praise

January 6, 2026 | 57:55

Doug Giles: When Pain Becomes God's Purpose | Praise
Hosted by TBN’s own Matt and Laurie Crouch along with other popular personalities, Praise features the best in contemporary Christian music and worship, fresh and impacting ministry voices, engaging interviews from a wide variety of guests, and a fast-moving hour of relevant talk you won’t want to miss!
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Praise | Doug Giles: When Pain Becomes God's Purpose | Praise | January 6, 2026
  • - coming up tonight on praise.
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  • - because you know we like our sermons lysoled, disinfected
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  • And secret friendly, we like to spray perfume on them.
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  • The people in the real world that are going through real
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  • Garbage, they can't even relate with a lot of pastors.
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  • Like, what are you talking about?
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  • This is not sexy, fun, enjoyable conversations.
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  • But this is real, man.
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  • When you become nothing, that's when he comes on the
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  • Scene and he starts his creative work
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  • And the believer.
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  • And that's where you have your true impact.
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  • ♪ (music playing)
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  • - tonight on praise.
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  • From dallas, best selling author, and pastor and
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  • Painter, doug giles.
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  • ♪ (music playing)
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  • Now your hosts, matt and laurie crouch.
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  • - doug giles, we have turned the praise set into a lot of
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  • Things over a lot of years, 53 years now.
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  • But i don't remember ever having an art gallery in our
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  • Studio, today we are surrounded by heroes of
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  • The faith.
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  • What an amazing praise prayer, we're going to get into a lot
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  • Of stuff.
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  • Help kind of set the stage for why we're sitting here in an
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  • Art gallery surrounded by heroes of faith, we're going
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  • To get into what they all had in common, help me explain
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  • What we're doing here today.
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  • - well dougie likes painting biblical warriors, heroes,
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  • Heroines and it's really amazing you know just the set
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  • I'm blown away because i sit back in a little art gallery
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  • And i push paint and nobody will ever see it even though
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  • We sold a lot of them and a lot of prints too and so man
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  • To see this, oh my gosh.
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  • - so david, samson, paul, esther, joshua, caleb, john
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  • The baptist, and i, and my boys have been to a very small
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  • Little town i think it had one traffic signal where were we
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  • In texas down there?
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  • - i'm not gonna tell...
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  • Well i'm not going to tell 1 billion people where i live
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  • Right now.
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  • - we are out in the sticks.
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  • - outside of austin.
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  • - and we drove out there and i have been with you doug when
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  • You had a paintbrush in your hand and you were painting and
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  • You were showing us all of your galleries and what a
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  • Unique expression of what creativity pours out you in a
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  • Very unique way.
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  • You are a bible teacher you technically pastor a church,
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  • Little church in liberty fellowship in wimberley texas,
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  • And we found you because you are kind of a little bit of a
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  • Wild man and you were with another wild man we know eric
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  • Metaxas, i saw you and i think what i remember about seeing
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  • You the first time is you know go to the wide shop for just a
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  • Second i want to kind of re-create something it felt
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  • Like doug there was a picture of you you were talking about
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  • Right here about like this was a giant lion about like this
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  • Where his paws is that about accurate?
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  • - oh yeah yeah.
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  • - and there's a lion in your studio down there in your
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  • House out there in the garage back behind the house.
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  • - kind of yes.
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  • - all right so- - get back in your seat.
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  • - this david what an amazing what a fun praise program to
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  • Be sitting inside of kind of the creative expression of
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  • Doug but there's a reason that we are sitting here surrounded
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  • By these people.
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  • Think of all of the stories of the old testament think about
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  • How in matthew 13 jesus says to the disciples you know when
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  • They said why do you tell stories?
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  • He said i love the message bible and the way that it gets
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  • Said there but jesus answered and said to create readiness,
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  • To nudge the people towards receptive inside of the
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  • Kingdom of god.
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  • And so story is a very unique thing.
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  • Pictures, a picture is worth a thousand words.
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  • So we have all these heroes, biblical heroes and all of a
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  • Sudden you get paint and start slapping it around on canvas
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  • And out come these expressions.
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  • And let's talk about heroes let's talk about what makes a
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  • Hero, just where do you want to start our story it's a
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  • Pretty fun praise program.
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  • - yes when most people think christian nowadays or believer
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  • Or someone who has faith whether it's male or female,
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  • We think of some nice person you know who has precious
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  • Moments figurines everywhere, and if they hear something
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  • Naughty or something bad they start pearl clutching and
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  • They're like oh glory god my dainty ears cannot fathom a
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  • Handle you know this real raw world that we live in.
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  • So i've got a whacked imagination as you guys well
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  • Know, so when i read the scripture man i'm into it
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  • I go there.
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  • So i emote.
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  • I am in the story, i'm in the battle, i'm in the fray, i'm
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  • In the wilderness, so being a i got my bachelors of fine
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  • Arts at texas tech, i got an art history minor and so we
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  • Have to plow through all the christian art from the
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  • Renaissance and all the other movements forward to today,
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  • And what i saw depicted as christian men and women was
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  • Insulting to me it's like they look like bearded women like
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  • The disciples.
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  • They look like these scared bearded women kind of back
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  • From the victorian days and they just found out the got an
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  • Std or something these guys were not these were rough
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  • Cussing fishermen like peter and the boys those guys were
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  • Like the crew on the deadliest catch.
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  • I've been a fisherman all my life and i've never seen a
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  • Dainty you know guy on the docks.
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  • These guys were dudes, knuckle dragon, gill netters,
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  • Sunburned lips, chapped skin, and you know.
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  • - okay so there are, we are surrounded by these images and
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  • I see david with the sling, i see david holding up goliath's
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  • Head, i see david with the harp as a boy, you are kind of
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  • Taking moments capturing moments, what do all these
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  • People have in common, why are these people in our scriptures
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  • Why did god leave us these stories, why are these the
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  • Ones and why are these the heroes we think of when we
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  • Think of biblical heroes?
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  • - yes, you know the thing that enthralls me again about the
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  • Guys and the girls is that we usually spotlight them in
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  • Their heroic actions you know david with goliath which we
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  • Should and you know the painting that i have of david
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  • As a teen, stem lining about to let the air out of goliath
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  • With a rock to the four head, but the thing that we miss
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  • With a lot of these cats is the process of turning them
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  • Into a world changer to turning them into a
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  • Significant man or woman in the kingdom of god and that
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  • Process, this is something that gets ignored you know an
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  • Ad blaster at a big girl's house is the process is
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  • Usually this thing called pain and the pain that these guys
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  • Got to to where they got to the precipice of being
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  • Utilized by god in a profound eternal scripture manner, so
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  • That they could be protagonist back to us [indiscernible] of
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  • How to pony up when things get real.
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  • So the art aspect of it you know i'm a big proponent like
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  • My sig line for my gallery is if life imitates art don't
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  • Get lame art.
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  • Monkey see, monkey do and if you've got some lame painting
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  • On the wall, you are not going to walk out of that house
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  • Ready to kick you know what and take names it affects you,
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  • Art affects you big time.
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  • - when you look around most of these heroes they are all in a
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  • Life or death situation.
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  • So they are ready to lay down their life or fight for the
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  • Life or and it's all in the surrendering to their
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  • Faith in god.
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  • You know i mean daniel.
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  • - and the faith in god pushed them to those conflicts so
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  • Again, everybody is like i want a relationship with the
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  • Lord like david, oh really?
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  • You want to climb down to the valley of elon and confront
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  • This 9 foot monster with a slingshot?
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  • While everybody is telling you you're going to get your
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  • [indiscernible] cleaned if you go do this?
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  • You can't have a relationship like david unless you know god
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  • In a deep, profound way and you're willing to risk
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  • It all, man.
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  • - yeah.
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  • - it feels like you are starting to kind of start
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  • Pulling on the through line here that all of these images
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  • And really the story that the bible is telling us in general
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  • Is, there is no kind of you know purpose until there's
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  • Pain involved.
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  • The pain is i read in one of your articles that you wrote,
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  • Is something that all of these guys have in common.
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  • Let's just kind of pick one, we did a movie back in the
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  • 2000's on esther and i think esther is back this way in the
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  • Studio back over here, and she is who she is because she said
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  • If i die, i die.
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  • But i'm going to go and plead the case of my people before
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  • The king unsummoned and we aren't artists, i can draw
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  • Stick figures but i had to make a choice about how do you
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  • Communicate who esther is in a what we call one sheet the
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  • Poster that was in the movie theaters?
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  • Well we have esther with her hands pushing giant doors open
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  • To push herself through to go before the king unsummoned
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  • Which as everyone knows was a death sentence unless he
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  • Extended the scepter and so these heroes have a sub story
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  • Of pain and misery, and present day church says if you
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  • Have pain misery and suffering it's the devil kicking your
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  • Rear end and it has nothing to do with god and we completely
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  • Walk away and a lot of cases from what would be called the
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  • Sovereignty of god and we don't really quite understand
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  • That in 2026, by the way, happy new year.
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  • We have clicked over and we are in 2026.
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  • So i forgot to mention that early.
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  • So doug, you're a teaching pastor, you have to make sense
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  • Of this, these are your works of art which are beautiful,
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  • What an amazing set, pick somebody and let's start
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  • Driving through some of these stories and what we are really
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  • Talking about here.
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  • - yes so david is my boy how can you not like david from
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  • The time he was a week teen to his older crotched years like
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  • I am in and psalm 71 and david comes on the scene, he is
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  • Faithful to his old man jesse he's taking care of the flock,
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  • He brings his brother sandwiches and hears goliath
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  • Talking mad smack about jehovah.
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  • And he sees all the chicken hearted
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  • Saul and all of his men they are up there singing praise
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  • Songs but they're not confronting the monster they
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  • Are not doing that.
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  • So david hears what they hear and then he goes kinetic he
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  • Goes i'm gonna take your head off with your own sword, and
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  • The birds are going to eat your flesh, how can you not
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  • Like that kind of christian?
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  • You know when we think christian men again they are
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  • Wearing cardigans and nicer than christ, and they are not
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  • Going to jump into any kind of fray and here david was his
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  • Faith led him to confront goliath as you all know, when
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  • Saul saw goliath he saw the enemy that's too big to kill
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  • And david saw goliath he's like this is too big to
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  • Miss, so he kills goliath, he gets annointed king, great,
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  • And then 20 years of -- on earth, you know follows that
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  • Incredible victory everybody loves david, david is on tbn,
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  • David is getting the big speaking gigs, david's getting
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  • The rolex, and then david is living in a cave, i mean
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  • That's nuts, can you imagine the kind of mind game that was
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  • Going on in david?
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  • So he's got one option.
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  • You are either going to allow this distress to make you
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  • Bigger and better in christ, or you're going to curl up in
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  • The fetal position and what's your toga?
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  • What's your options?
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  • So god purposely sovereignty like you said you know it
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  • Wasn't the devil's got him, it was not like you know he needs
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  • More marketing, god's like listen, young man you are
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  • Going to rule and reign in zion, you're going to be a
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  • Protagonist that's to define christ when he is incarnated
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  • But right here right now i got to knock the david out of
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  • David again in order to make him a vessel of honor that's
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  • Fit for god's use, so again the process is pain and
  • 00:14:54.116 --> 00:14:58.287
  • There's purpose in it, and man we try to avoid pain our whole
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  • Lives is to get likes and avoid pain.
  • 00:15:03.292 --> 00:15:06.528
  • - we have entire doctrines that say if you're going
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  • Through pain you have done something wrong.
  • 00:15:11.834 --> 00:15:14.303
  • You are cursed, you are sinning or this, and that the
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  • Same process that david the wood chipper let's say that
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  • David went through and all these biblical heroes, somehow
  • 00:15:22.745 --> 00:15:25.914
  • The wood chipper is wrong in 2026.
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  • Somehow we've gotten to the point where if you are going
  • 00:15:30.219 --> 00:15:35.724
  • Through the wood chipper, whatever, you've made a
  • 00:15:35.724 --> 00:15:38.027
  • Mistake and there couldn't be any purpose in the pain and we
  • 00:15:38.027 --> 00:15:41.430
  • Are crying foul on that.
  • 00:15:41.430 --> 00:15:43.899
  • - yes and absolutely and i think the pulpit is the
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  • Culprit for that kind of nonsense because i can read
  • 00:15:47.369 --> 00:15:50.072
  • Left and right up and down, when you scour the scripture
  • 00:15:50.072 --> 00:15:53.675
  • Even just a cursory glance you see again all of the fathers
  • 00:15:53.675 --> 00:15:58.313
  • Of the faith, all the heroes, all the heroines, man those
  • 00:15:58.313 --> 00:16:02.618
  • Guys went through as you said the wood chipper.
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  • People are like i want the lord to use me as his holy
  • 00:16:06.722 --> 00:16:10.626
  • Weapon, well okay, to get a double edge sword you have got
  • 00:16:10.626 --> 00:16:15.597
  • To hammer a chunk of steel and you cannot become a weapon in
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  • The hand of the lord that crushes the powers of darkness
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  • If you keep telling the hammer to stop.
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  • And so again because the church is effeminate and we
  • 00:16:26.642 --> 00:16:30.512
  • Are emasculated and we are not you know the hardy first
  • 00:16:30.512 --> 00:16:35.084
  • Century primal nation thing that the holy spirit birthed
  • 00:16:35.084 --> 00:16:38.587
  • Up in room, we are americanized and we think that
  • 00:16:38.587 --> 00:16:41.690
  • If i become a christian young man then the lord will give me
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  • A condo in las olas, florida and he will give me a woman
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  • That looks like sydney sweeney and has the heart
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  • Of mother teresa.
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  • That's what the lord is going to give me and says who and
  • 00:16:55.838 --> 00:16:58.073
  • Says where, paul didn't get that treatment, peter didn't
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  • Get the treatment, david didn't, abraham didn't.
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  • Every single one of the people that i've depicted here you
  • 00:17:02.878 --> 00:17:06.515
  • Know they had highs and they had god's presence, and they
  • 00:17:06.515 --> 00:17:10.152
  • Also had times of estrangement from the lord not just
  • 00:17:10.152 --> 00:17:14.389
  • Disobedient acts but where the lord just let that thing
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  • Simmer you know, just like joseph man, he has a dream,
  • 00:17:18.127 --> 00:17:23.065
  • And he tells stupidly his vision to his parents and his
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  • Siblings and they were not digging on it like you have a
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  • Dream, well we have a pit.
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  • So we are going to put you in the pit and we are going sell
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  • You off to slavery and then after he gets out of that he
  • 00:17:36.578 --> 00:17:40.048
  • Gets false rape allegations then he goes to prison.
  • 00:17:40.048 --> 00:17:43.352
  • So when we are turning these pages, we are turning years we
  • 00:17:43.352 --> 00:17:47.289
  • Are turning decades.
  • 00:17:47.289 --> 00:17:48.457
  • We're just reading it like yeah that's part
  • 00:17:48.457 --> 00:17:51.426
  • Of my devotional.
  • 00:17:51.426 --> 00:17:52.995
  • The dude was in the saddle joseph, and nearly 15 years
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  • Before the dream was fulfilled and even in prison and in the
  • 00:17:57.699 --> 00:18:02.137
  • Slavery says and the lord was with joseph.
  • 00:18:02.137 --> 00:18:05.374
  • Now how does an american christian equate being in jail
  • 00:18:05.374 --> 00:18:09.144
  • On false rape charges as being blessed in the lord
  • 00:18:09.144 --> 00:18:13.148
  • Is with me?
  • 00:18:13.148 --> 00:18:14.449
  • We would hire lawyers we do hashtag campaigns, get me out
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  • Of jail and joseph just rode the storm out and then with
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  • The shower and shave, and you know god's timing,
  • 00:18:22.624 --> 00:18:26.461
  • Poof there he is.
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  • Second in charge in egypt with his dream coming to pass but
  • 00:18:27.763 --> 00:18:31.600
  • Again oh my gosh man, we forget all the stuff that went
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  • Down between genesis 37 in genesis 50, and that again
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  • That's where you are marinating that's where you
  • 00:18:41.076 --> 00:18:43.045
  • Are cooking that's when god is doing something in you that
  • 00:18:43.045 --> 00:18:46.782
  • Nobody sees you don't have anybody behind you clapping
  • 00:18:46.782 --> 00:18:50.652
  • And cheering you on you feel for god and abandoned, and
  • 00:18:50.652 --> 00:18:53.655
  • There's god he's like let it ride, now he's got too much
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  • Joseph in him.
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  • We will give it i don't know, holy spirit, what do you say,
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  • We will give him five years.
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  • Jesus what about you?
  • 00:19:05.567 --> 00:19:07.236
  • No he's too full of himself, let's give him seven.
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  • And then it was time.
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  • And that's the whole thing, an inheritance that's gained
  • 00:19:12.641 --> 00:19:16.511
  • Quickly shall not be blessed in the end.
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  • And so i've always prayed lord don't dump on me anything
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  • That's going to destroy me because
  • 00:19:23.552 --> 00:19:26.488
  • Prosperity can destroy you.
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  • Blessings can destroy you.
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  • That's what the whole book of judges is all about.
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  • That's what moses warned the children of israel in
  • 00:19:30.626 --> 00:19:34.096
  • Deuteronomy 8 said listen, guys when you get in the
  • 00:19:34.096 --> 00:19:37.566
  • Promised land don't lose your head.
  • 00:19:37.566 --> 00:19:39.635
  • Remember, you know you were a bondsman in egypt, and most
  • 00:19:39.635 --> 00:19:43.005
  • People you know when they get- i've seen a litany of them in
  • 00:19:43.005 --> 00:19:46.174
  • 42 years of following the rebel from galilee they get
  • 00:19:46.174 --> 00:19:50.312
  • Blessed, they get notoriety and the next thing you know,
  • 00:19:50.312 --> 00:19:53.515
  • They are living in a van down by the river.
  • 00:19:53.515 --> 00:19:55.284
  • You know, and-- - it feels like i remember, i
  • 00:19:55.284 --> 00:20:00.088
  • Was either talking to you at another occasion,
  • 00:20:00.088 --> 00:20:04.960
  • But jeremiah is kind of this i think
  • 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:11.366
  • It's jeremiah when he's talking about in the
  • 00:20:11.366 --> 00:20:13.502
  • Hands of the potter, the clay was marred.
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  • And you know the marring of the clay finally getting
  • 00:20:20.008 --> 00:20:27.649
  • Formed into something, what happens to clay after it
  • 00:20:27.649 --> 00:20:31.520
  • Dries, you have to fire it.
  • 00:20:31.520 --> 00:20:33.622
  • - and i've been around those kilns they are hot
  • 00:20:33.622 --> 00:20:36.224
  • Like 2600°, 3000.
  • 00:20:36.224 --> 00:20:38.226
  • It's like i want to be a vessel of the lord, you want
  • 00:20:38.226 --> 00:20:40.495
  • To go into a 3000° trial?
  • 00:20:40.495 --> 00:20:43.665
  • Because again, we are not artists we are not potters,
  • 00:20:43.665 --> 00:20:49.271
  • They were, they understood that in order for you to be a
  • 00:20:49.271 --> 00:20:54.242
  • Vessel you know fit for the master's use, that's the slip,
  • 00:20:54.242 --> 00:20:57.446
  • That is some squeezing, that's some pinching, that is some
  • 00:20:57.446 --> 00:21:02.617
  • Poking, and once it's there it goes into into the fire.
  • 00:21:02.617 --> 00:21:04.753
  • - it doesn't go into the store shelf it goes into the kilns,
  • 00:21:04.753 --> 00:21:09.024
  • And man when you open the door to those kilns it will melt
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  • Your eyebrows off.
  • 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:14.463
  • - so if we are going to reset for a moment, doug, you spent
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  • A lot of your time speaking, teaching, you spent a lot
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  • Of your time alone in your room with paint, expression,
  • 00:21:28.777 --> 00:21:36.551
  • These images come out of your imagination but
  • 00:21:36.551 --> 00:21:41.056
  • What you seem to be putting on
  • 00:21:41.056 --> 00:21:45.961
  • Let's say the faces of joshua and caleb is a very weathered,
  • 00:21:45.961 --> 00:21:48.930
  • The way you depicted paul, you know is somebody that's been
  • 00:21:48.930 --> 00:21:55.103
  • Through, you know, i think he wins the award the lord says
  • 00:21:55.103 --> 00:22:00.108
  • I'm not gonna let them do that to you anymore finally, god
  • 00:22:00.108 --> 00:22:05.247
  • Promises i'm not going to let them beat you with an inch of
  • 00:22:05.247 --> 00:22:08.784
  • Your life anymore so paul gets to at least live out the last
  • 00:22:08.784 --> 00:22:13.722
  • Few years of his life, knowing he's not going to get the
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  • Slobber beat out of him again.
  • 00:22:17.392 --> 00:22:19.528
  • - until they beheaded him.
  • 00:22:19.528 --> 00:22:21.029
  • - until they handed him his head.
  • 00:22:21.029 --> 00:22:23.031
  • When it seems like you are wanting to show the world, in
  • 00:22:23.031 --> 00:22:31.573
  • Modern times, is that there is a purpose for pain your
  • 00:22:31.573 --> 00:22:39.648
  • Reaction to just my summary there.
  • 00:22:39.648 --> 00:22:45.320
  • - again all these icky things that happened to every one of
  • 00:22:45.320 --> 00:22:49.658
  • Us, and nobody is free from going through pain, deep pain,
  • 00:22:49.658 --> 00:22:57.632
  • Sorrow, testing, trials, and i'm not talking about the
  • 00:22:57.632 --> 00:23:00.068
  • Stuff that we self inflict upon us but just stuff that
  • 00:23:00.068 --> 00:23:03.772
  • God in his great love and sovereignty allows us to go
  • 00:23:03.772 --> 00:23:07.375
  • Through again that stuff gets ignored.
  • 00:23:07.375 --> 00:23:10.078
  • And then in regards to the way i preach i do expository
  • 00:23:10.078 --> 00:23:13.915
  • Preaching and so it forces me, the teacher and the
  • 00:23:13.915 --> 00:23:18.587
  • Congregation to go through the whole of the text, and you
  • 00:23:18.587 --> 00:23:21.690
  • Cannot skip the suffering part, you cannot skip you know
  • 00:23:21.690 --> 00:23:25.627
  • The pain aspects.
  • 00:23:25.627 --> 00:23:27.195
  • They are there.
  • 00:23:27.195 --> 00:23:28.497
  • You know, and the scripture is not a buffet line like i'll
  • 00:23:28.497 --> 00:23:32.934
  • Take some of the blessing, i'll take cadillac over here,
  • 00:23:32.934 --> 00:23:34.936
  • And i don't want any of that pain, sickness, demons i don't
  • 00:23:34.936 --> 00:23:41.109
  • Want any of that kind of stuff, well sorry
  • 00:23:41.109 --> 00:23:45.847
  • [indiscernible] that stuff is embedded in the scripture as
  • 00:23:45.847 --> 00:23:48.216
  • Well and so god gave us weapons and armor to fight
  • 00:23:48.216 --> 00:23:54.122
  • Through this garbage that satan tosses at us and he told
  • 00:23:54.122 --> 00:23:57.859
  • Us i have all the authority, i'm giving you also this
  • 00:23:57.859 --> 00:24:03.732
  • Authority but in the meantime you gotta fight for your right
  • 00:24:03.732 --> 00:24:08.003
  • To party.
  • 00:24:08.003 --> 00:24:09.371
  • How do you know god is a healer unless you're sick, how
  • 00:24:09.371 --> 00:24:11.840
  • Do you know he's a deliverer unless you got demons hanging
  • 00:24:11.840 --> 00:24:14.843
  • Off of you like bats.
  • 00:24:14.843 --> 00:24:16.611
  • So there's all that stuff that's ensconced in scripture,
  • 00:24:16.611 --> 00:24:21.182
  • But because we like our sermons lysoled, disinfected,
  • 00:24:21.182 --> 00:24:25.186
  • And secret friendly, and we like to spray perfume on them,
  • 00:24:25.186 --> 00:24:28.723
  • The people in the real world that are going through real
  • 00:24:28.723 --> 00:24:31.927
  • Garbage they can't even relate with a lot of pastors like
  • 00:24:31.927 --> 00:24:35.096
  • What are you talking about?
  • 00:24:35.096 --> 00:24:36.364
  • Think about the whole covid thing, i knew churches man
  • 00:24:36.364 --> 00:24:40.068
  • That they acted like we did not just get bamboozled and
  • 00:24:40.068 --> 00:24:46.341
  • Get thrown under the bus by our government you know to
  • 00:24:46.341 --> 00:24:50.512
  • Shut our churches down, oh you cannot hug anymore, so if i
  • 00:24:50.512 --> 00:24:54.149
  • See laurie it's like hi laurie here is an air hug, and we
  • 00:24:54.149 --> 00:24:56.885
  • Have to slather ourselves with purrell and we have to social
  • 00:24:56.885 --> 00:24:59.754
  • Distance, and none of it made a difference at all.
  • 00:24:59.754 --> 00:25:03.358
  • And the church followed what the government said instead of
  • 00:25:03.358 --> 00:25:04.893
  • Continuing to operate.
  • 00:25:04.893 --> 00:25:08.763
  • - hearing you tell that story and looking at the way the
  • 00:25:08.763 --> 00:25:14.536
  • Camera has been positioned, you got a guy kind of over
  • 00:25:14.536 --> 00:25:18.273
  • Your shoulder there daniel in the lion's den, and we
  • 00:25:18.273 --> 00:25:21.943
  • Sometimes are forgetting this idea that god has a plan for
  • 00:25:21.943 --> 00:25:34.689
  • Pain and how do you know you have faith unless
  • 00:25:34.689 --> 00:25:35.957
  • It's called upon?
  • 00:25:35.957 --> 00:25:37.626
  • So god is calling on your faith and we have called it
  • 00:25:37.626 --> 00:25:40.528
  • Something else in the church for years.
  • 00:25:40.528 --> 00:25:46.101
  • That's kind of what our subject is, so walk us through
  • 00:25:46.101 --> 00:25:49.871
  • Some of the other biblical heroes here and give us some
  • 00:25:49.871 --> 00:25:53.274
  • Of the story.
  • 00:25:53.274 --> 00:25:54.576
  • - i see rahab.
  • 00:25:54.576 --> 00:25:55.310
  • - rahab.
  • 00:25:55.310 --> 00:25:56.177
  • Is rahab here?
  • 00:25:56.177 --> 00:25:57.145
  • - no rahab did make it.
  • 00:25:57.145 --> 00:25:58.346
  • - well esther.
  • 00:25:58.346 --> 00:25:59.547
  • - yes esther.
  • 00:25:59.547 --> 00:26:00.582
  • - deborah.
  • 00:26:00.582 --> 00:26:01.783
  • - yes esther, she used her beauty man to stem off the
  • 00:26:01.783 --> 00:26:06.421
  • Slaught of her people and you know most beautiful girls
  • 00:26:06.421 --> 00:26:09.391
  • Nowadays they just go on instagram and make a ton of
  • 00:26:09.391 --> 00:26:12.127
  • Money, doing product endorsements or whatever and
  • 00:26:12.127 --> 00:26:15.964
  • She's like i'm gonna use my beauty to save my people.
  • 00:26:15.964 --> 00:26:19.868
  • So again and she was like a late teen,
  • 00:26:19.868 --> 00:26:24.372
  • Early twenty-something?
  • 00:26:24.372 --> 00:26:25.807
  • And again it was the threat of death that she said earlier i
  • 00:26:25.807 --> 00:26:28.309
  • Don't know how the chips are going to fall, on what's about
  • 00:26:28.309 --> 00:26:32.814
  • To go down but if i perish i perish.
  • 00:26:32.814 --> 00:26:35.083
  • And then you see again to get into those kind of throws and
  • 00:26:35.083 --> 00:26:38.853
  • To push it and to see if the lord is really behind it
  • 00:26:38.853 --> 00:26:41.890
  • That's a little bit of [indiscernible] upon you know
  • 00:26:41.890 --> 00:26:45.393
  • The christian the believers part, is this going to work,
  • 00:26:45.393 --> 00:26:48.196
  • Am i going to survive, and that's when you have god
  • 00:26:48.196 --> 00:26:51.066
  • Coming through like a mighty champion but most christians
  • 00:26:51.066 --> 00:26:54.369
  • Would never get into that starting game.
  • 00:26:54.369 --> 00:26:57.572
  • They're like well it just looks bad.
  • 00:26:57.572 --> 00:27:00.341
  • And you know i don't understand it doesn't look
  • 00:27:00.341 --> 00:27:02.911
  • Like a clear open door.
  • 00:27:02.911 --> 00:27:04.279
  • It's like that does not matter god called you to do that.
  • 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:07.849
  • - yes so i think the calling cause i think everybody has a
  • 00:27:07.849 --> 00:27:12.987
  • Dream and a call of god on their life, to do something
  • 00:27:12.987 --> 00:27:16.725
  • Great for him, and we just expect for it to just happen,
  • 00:27:16.725 --> 00:27:20.929
  • And you know you take a step of faith and then it's just
  • 00:27:20.929 --> 00:27:26.034
  • Supposed to work out for you.
  • 00:27:26.034 --> 00:27:27.235
  • - by tuesday.
  • 00:27:27.235 --> 00:27:28.603
  • - and what i've experienced and at our age that is not the way
  • 00:27:28.603 --> 00:27:33.141
  • It happens, and it's like the steps of faith that you take
  • 00:27:33.141 --> 00:27:37.245
  • You are fighting the good fight of faith.
  • 00:27:37.245 --> 00:27:41.082
  • Because i am called to do something great but i think
  • 00:27:41.082 --> 00:27:44.119
  • What we get stuck in our brain is that time is going by too
  • 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:49.157
  • Fast i don't have enough time i have got to make
  • 00:27:49.157 --> 00:27:53.495
  • This happen now.
  • 00:27:53.495 --> 00:27:54.763
  • Where time is never lost in the kingdom of god, and what
  • 00:27:54.763 --> 00:27:56.631
  • God has called you to do will be a moment in time like no
  • 00:27:56.631 --> 00:28:00.568
  • Other, you read the scriptures and it will say in the time of
  • 00:28:00.568 --> 00:28:05.974
  • Daniel, or in the time of moses or in the time of noah
  • 00:28:05.974 --> 00:28:09.043
  • In these times there is a set time, that god can do
  • 00:28:09.043 --> 00:28:15.150
  • Something in your life.
  • 00:28:15.150 --> 00:28:16.651
  • But the process of getting there to sustain is
  • 00:28:16.651 --> 00:28:19.721
  • What you are talking about is people that jump in and try to
  • 00:28:19.721 --> 00:28:25.026
  • Do it themselves, and it's not sustainable unless you go
  • 00:28:25.026 --> 00:28:29.831
  • Through what god has for you.
  • 00:28:29.831 --> 00:28:31.933
  • - and believe that during that time, you see i like the way
  • 00:28:31.933 --> 00:28:36.504
  • You kind of you were giving us a joseph's run down- he gets
  • 00:28:36.504 --> 00:28:42.544
  • Thrown into the prison, after the pit and the prison the
  • 00:28:42.544 --> 00:28:47.582
  • Whole thing, but all of the god proving happened out of
  • 00:28:47.582 --> 00:28:52.787
  • Sight, he did not have to get elected to local jurisdiction,
  • 00:28:52.787 --> 00:28:59.460
  • And then he did not become the governor of a province and
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  • Then become vice chairman of this and then that, and move
  • 00:29:03.765 --> 00:29:07.068
  • Up to become second command, he went from nothing.
  • 00:29:07.068 --> 00:29:10.104
  • So god did what his work was in private and then in public
  • 00:29:10.104 --> 00:29:14.909
  • It was a snap of a finger and all the sudden he was wearing
  • 00:29:14.909 --> 00:29:18.179
  • The ring and everybody was bowing when he turned around.
  • 00:29:18.179 --> 00:29:21.549
  • So the anonymous times and what we call the wood chipper
  • 00:29:21.549 --> 00:29:27.222
  • This time of testing is often times you are saying a number
  • 00:29:27.222 --> 00:29:32.227
  • Of times ignoring it, we should just be realizing its
  • 00:29:32.227 --> 00:29:39.734
  • Importance, and nobody thinks that's important, only the
  • 00:29:39.734 --> 00:29:44.272
  • Times you know you are on the platform, only times that
  • 00:29:44.272 --> 00:29:49.444
  • That's what matters, and that's not what matters.
  • 00:29:49.444 --> 00:29:52.080
  • God is wanting to prove you in a way and we have disregarded
  • 00:29:52.080 --> 00:29:56.317
  • That in our modern-day theology, largely.
  • 00:29:56.317 --> 00:30:02.423
  • - yes it's a huge topic of the scripture, i mean nowadays we
  • 00:30:02.423 --> 00:30:09.697
  • Go to bible school for three years for a 30 year ministry,
  • 00:30:09.697 --> 00:30:12.767
  • You know john the baptist, they spent 30 years in the
  • 00:30:12.767 --> 00:30:17.038
  • Wilderness or jesus doing a blue-collar job for three year
  • 00:30:17.038 --> 00:30:19.841
  • Plus ministry with john, and so we get the result and
  • 00:30:19.841 --> 00:30:24.479
  • Effects of you know, of each kind of stent and
  • 00:30:24.479 --> 00:30:29.150
  • In our training.
  • 00:30:29.150 --> 00:30:31.286
  • You get 3000 feet wide, an inch deep with the people that
  • 00:30:31.286 --> 00:30:34.188
  • Have spent three years and all of a sudden they become a
  • 00:30:34.188 --> 00:30:38.293
  • Pastor, are you kidding me, and then we get john the
  • 00:30:38.293 --> 00:30:41.529
  • Baptist who again isolation who is he, shows up like lenny
  • 00:30:41.529 --> 00:30:45.533
  • Kravitz in the middle of the creek, eating bugs, can you
  • 00:30:45.533 --> 00:30:49.537
  • Imagine bringing him to like a potluck dinner?
  • 00:30:49.537 --> 00:30:52.473
  • He pulls out a sack of crickets, see if anybody wants
  • 00:30:52.473 --> 00:30:55.643
  • To munch on those?
  • 00:30:55.643 --> 00:30:57.445
  • Then jesus blue-collar worker you know there was no home
  • 00:30:57.445 --> 00:31:01.582
  • Depot, no property brothers none of that stuff, he was
  • 00:31:01.582 --> 00:31:04.485
  • Just a normal joe, until the holy spirit dropped down on
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  • Him in the river jordan and god said this is my beloved
  • 00:31:08.189 --> 00:31:11.225
  • Son in whom i'm well pleased and then it was on
  • 00:31:11.225 --> 00:31:13.528
  • Like donkey kong.
  • 00:31:13.528 --> 00:31:15.263
  • But again most time years the isolations the abandonment of
  • 00:31:15.263 --> 00:31:18.433
  • I have nothing going on in doug's life or matt's life,
  • 00:31:18.433 --> 00:31:21.769
  • How do you know?
  • 00:31:21.769 --> 00:31:24.205
  • And you look at the guys especially the older cats like
  • 00:31:23.004 --> 00:31:27.241
  • Matt and i, my hair's turning gray that's better than
  • 00:31:27.241 --> 00:31:32.180
  • Turning loose, so abraham 76, you know, he's an iraqi
  • 00:31:32.180 --> 00:31:38.886
  • Warlord and then god says you're perfect to be the
  • 00:31:38.886 --> 00:31:42.590
  • Father of our faith, moses at 80 he started out his ministry
  • 00:31:42.590 --> 00:31:45.727
  • 40 he's like [indiscernible], good looking, very well
  • 00:31:45.727 --> 00:31:49.664
  • Educated, and he started off his ministry murdering
  • 00:31:49.664 --> 00:31:55.670
  • Somebody who's abusing a jew and stuff.
  • 00:31:55.670 --> 00:31:59.907
  • And then god is like you are going to be liberator and law
  • 00:31:59.907 --> 00:32:02.143
  • Giver, but first moses i'm going to divest you of all
  • 00:32:02.143 --> 00:32:07.415
  • Your mosesness, you are going to work a cruddy job, for your
  • 00:32:07.415 --> 00:32:12.253
  • Father-in-law, you're not putting that on instagram you
  • 00:32:12.253 --> 00:32:14.922
  • Are not facebooking that gig that you are doing, and then
  • 00:32:14.922 --> 00:32:18.593
  • Moses at his zero point where he's not looking to get in the
  • 00:32:18.593 --> 00:32:22.964
  • Ministry, he's not looking to pastor, he's not looking to
  • 00:32:22.964 --> 00:32:26.000
  • Marshall up a new christian television station, that guy
  • 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:29.704
  • Is just waiting to croak.
  • 00:32:29.704 --> 00:32:31.773
  • And then when moses was at the zero point, that's when he got
  • 00:32:31.773 --> 00:32:36.778
  • The burning bush and that man who is nothing all of a sudden
  • 00:32:36.778 --> 00:32:41.582
  • Became liberator and law giver.
  • 00:32:41.582 --> 00:32:43.518
  • And i think that's a get a message like i want jesus in
  • 00:32:43.518 --> 00:32:47.655
  • My life you know he's the resurrection and the life, you
  • 00:32:47.655 --> 00:32:50.758
  • Know what brings on the resurrection and the life?
  • 00:32:50.758 --> 00:32:53.428
  • Death, death.
  • 00:32:53.428 --> 00:32:54.629
  • You have nothing to give.
  • 00:32:54.629 --> 00:32:56.864
  • And david said in distress, you enlarge me and that's
  • 00:32:56.864 --> 00:33:02.470
  • Extreme pain and he said i learned your ways after
  • 00:33:02.470 --> 00:33:04.806
  • I was afflicted.
  • 00:33:04.806 --> 00:33:07.842
  • Again you don't hear that at youth group.
  • 00:33:07.842 --> 00:33:09.343
  • - well even moses we were talking about him yesterday on
  • 00:33:09.343 --> 00:33:14.615
  • Better together, we've got moses who in the burning bush
  • 00:33:14.615 --> 00:33:20.188
  • Shows up god in the burning bush, he is saying who am i, i
  • 00:33:20.188 --> 00:33:25.660
  • Can't do this and the lord actually gets upset at him
  • 00:33:25.660 --> 00:33:28.429
  • Because of his confidence, so for 40 years i've been out
  • 00:33:28.429 --> 00:33:31.399
  • Here shepherding for my father-in-law, so of course
  • 00:33:31.399 --> 00:33:34.869
  • It's confidence, would be shot, and god is like finally,
  • 00:33:34.869 --> 00:33:38.739
  • All right i will give you aaron, but you're going
  • 00:33:38.739 --> 00:33:42.510
  • To do this.
  • 00:33:42.510 --> 00:33:43.811
  • It's like esther, it's like i will do this without you if
  • 00:33:43.811 --> 00:33:47.648
  • I need to.
  • 00:33:47.648 --> 00:33:48.950
  • But why wouldn't it be us, why wouldn't it be, and i think
  • 00:33:48.950 --> 00:33:53.087
  • Those times of just staying faithful, staying faithful in
  • 00:33:53.087 --> 00:33:58.259
  • The fire, staying faithful in the den, to what god is doing
  • 00:33:58.259 --> 00:34:02.730
  • On the inside of us because it really doesn't matter what we
  • 00:34:02.730 --> 00:34:06.701
  • Do for god, it's what he does on the inside of us, so
  • 00:34:06.701 --> 00:34:09.904
  • Letting that happen and fighting the good fight of
  • 00:34:09.904 --> 00:34:14.609
  • Faith, through these- through the fire, the fire is your
  • 00:34:14.609 --> 00:34:18.379
  • Friend, you know because it's making you more like the lord
  • 00:34:18.379 --> 00:34:22.483
  • To do something great for him that god wants to do, it's not
  • 00:34:22.483 --> 00:34:28.322
  • Anything that we do it's what god does.
  • 00:34:28.322 --> 00:34:30.925
  • - i think that's a huge point because like
  • 00:34:30.925 --> 00:34:33.027
  • T. austin sparks he wrote the school of christ, i don't know
  • 00:34:33.027 --> 00:34:36.531
  • If you ever read that book a tiny little 90 pager, he said
  • 00:34:36.531 --> 00:34:40.701
  • Everything that god does that is truly him is governed by
  • 00:34:40.701 --> 00:34:45.006
  • The glory of god.
  • 00:34:45.006 --> 00:34:46.274
  • And he's not going to share that with anybody else.
  • 00:34:46.274 --> 00:34:48.843
  • Until you can divest yourself and look at me i'm sandra dee,
  • 00:34:48.843 --> 00:34:52.713
  • It's probably not gonna come through you and in
  • 00:34:52.713 --> 00:34:57.919
  • A godly way.
  • 00:34:57.919 --> 00:34:58.920
  • Because there's still too much doug here.
  • 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.189
  • There's still too much matt, still too much laurie, and so
  • 00:35:01.189 --> 00:35:05.793
  • See how low you can go and when you run out of wine,
  • 00:35:05.793 --> 00:35:09.864
  • That's when jesus shows up.
  • 00:35:09.864 --> 00:35:11.699
  • Same thing with lazarus.
  • 00:35:11.699 --> 00:35:14.235
  • He's not only dead, he stinks and he's four days dead,
  • 00:35:14.235 --> 00:35:18.339
  • That's when the resurrection and the life shows up the
  • 00:35:18.339 --> 00:35:20.775
  • Woman at the well, you know been married five times she is
  • 00:35:20.775 --> 00:35:24.845
  • Like liz taylor and then jesus said i am your living water,
  • 00:35:24.845 --> 00:35:28.449
  • Again this is not sexy, fun, enjoyable conversations, this
  • 00:35:28.449 --> 00:35:37.058
  • Is real man, it's like when you become nothing that's when
  • 00:35:37.058 --> 00:35:40.494
  • He comes on the scene and he starts his creative work in
  • 00:35:40.494 --> 00:35:46.467
  • The believer, and that's where you have the true impact and
  • 00:35:46.467 --> 00:35:49.203
  • It doesn't matter whether you are 14, you know like mary, or
  • 00:35:49.203 --> 00:35:52.173
  • Teenager like esther doesn't mean you got to be some old
  • 00:35:52.173 --> 00:35:56.744
  • Cat like me but the point is that god's glory is his
  • 00:35:56.744 --> 00:36:00.715
  • Governing law and until he gets glory from the vessel, so
  • 00:36:00.715 --> 00:36:04.986
  • That there's no boasting from the vessel again no thing you
  • 00:36:04.986 --> 00:36:08.556
  • Could point to with degrees and companies and all that
  • 00:36:08.556 --> 00:36:11.626
  • Other stuff, it's god and god alone that's when he is like
  • 00:36:11.626 --> 00:36:15.830
  • That's my boy.
  • 00:36:15.830 --> 00:36:16.631
  • That's my daughter.
  • 00:36:16.631 --> 00:36:18.299
  • - god had chosen the foolish to confound the wise.
  • 00:36:18.299 --> 00:36:21.936
  • - and the beautiful thing about it is that during this
  • 00:36:21.936 --> 00:36:26.574
  • Time, during these years, of being anonymous wilderness,
  • 00:36:26.574 --> 00:36:32.046
  • God is with us and we get to see facets of god that we
  • 00:36:32.046 --> 00:36:35.616
  • Would have never, the treasures, of heaven are ours
  • 00:36:35.616 --> 00:36:39.053
  • During the whole thing.
  • 00:36:39.053 --> 00:36:40.621
  • You know, and then you finally say i am nothing
  • 00:36:40.621 --> 00:36:44.859
  • Without the lord.
  • 00:36:44.859 --> 00:36:45.526
  • You know, and it's such a-
  • 00:36:45.526 --> 00:36:47.194
  • - i think you get to know god when you know...
  • 00:36:47.194 --> 00:36:49.030
  • - yeah it's a beautiful, yeah.
  • 00:36:49.030 --> 00:36:51.465
  • - again there's no cameras there's nothing, i'm not
  • 00:36:51.465 --> 00:36:55.202
  • Diminishing this, but nobody's looking on, nobody's calling
  • 00:36:55.202 --> 00:36:59.106
  • You and it's just you and jesus man, you are worshiping.
  • 00:36:59.106 --> 00:37:02.843
  • I tell people all the time it's like well i'm going
  • 00:37:02.843 --> 00:37:05.079
  • Through a rough patch.
  • 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:06.314
  • Well whatever you're going through, here's a formula to
  • 00:37:06.314 --> 00:37:09.617
  • Stay faithful, to stay growing it's in acts 2:42, "give
  • 00:37:09.617 --> 00:37:12.687
  • Yourself to the apostles' doctrine and give yourself to
  • 00:37:12.687 --> 00:37:17.258
  • The fellowship, give yourself to breaking bread and pray."
  • 00:37:17.258 --> 00:37:19.627
  • So no matter what kind of stuff you are currently
  • 00:37:19.627 --> 00:37:23.564
  • Slogging through, there's nothing keeping you from being
  • 00:37:23.564 --> 00:37:27.134
  • Faithful to him and our calling is not so much to you
  • 00:37:27.134 --> 00:37:30.638
  • Know god called me to be an epic author and a painter look
  • 00:37:30.638 --> 00:37:33.841
  • At my wares.
  • 00:37:33.841 --> 00:37:35.142
  • It's like god called me to be in fellowship with the son.
  • 00:37:35.142 --> 00:37:38.379
  • That's it. - yes.
  • 00:37:38.379 --> 00:37:40.881
  • - behind you is david, in front of us out here is david
  • 00:37:40.881 --> 00:37:46.420
  • There's another picture of david in one of his most
  • 00:37:46.420 --> 00:37:49.690
  • Picturesque moments he's holding the head of goliath.
  • 00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:53.761
  • You know when you think of his story, it really analogizes a
  • 00:37:53.761 --> 00:37:58.966
  • Lot of what we're saying, our conversation could be set
  • 00:37:58.966 --> 00:38:03.604
  • Realistically on the life of david because as a young boy,
  • 00:38:03.604 --> 00:38:08.576
  • The least likely of his family the guy, the authority on
  • 00:38:08.576 --> 00:38:15.383
  • Earth at the time samuel, pours oil over his head.
  • 00:38:15.383 --> 00:38:19.687
  • He would know that happened, he would've asked his dad if
  • 00:38:19.687 --> 00:38:24.925
  • He didn't know immediately what's going on here?
  • 00:38:24.925 --> 00:38:27.061
  • He would have known that he was anointed for either
  • 00:38:27.061 --> 00:38:31.699
  • Greatness or kingship or whatever it was,
  • 00:38:31.699 --> 00:38:35.403
  • He would've known.
  • 00:38:35.403 --> 00:38:36.704
  • Maybe that gave him some of the courage to face the giant,
  • 00:38:36.704 --> 00:38:42.977
  • You know he could've remembered hey, i was anointed
  • 00:38:42.977 --> 00:38:46.647
  • But what he could not understand or would not have
  • 00:38:46.647 --> 00:38:52.186
  • Understood is those years of running for his life, being
  • 00:38:52.186 --> 00:38:56.824
  • Pursued by a jealous king, and how did he get the courage to
  • 00:38:56.824 --> 00:39:00.060
  • Not take out saul in the cave when he could have, how did he
  • 00:39:00.060 --> 00:39:02.263
  • Find the courage or the gut will to only cut out, he even
  • 00:39:02.263 --> 00:39:09.236
  • Felt bad for even cutting off the edge of his robe proving
  • 00:39:09.236 --> 00:39:16.110
  • That he could've killed him.
  • 00:39:16.110 --> 00:39:18.979
  • There's the life that should be studied and to your point
  • 00:39:18.979 --> 00:39:25.286
  • His egregious sin came after you know after he's already
  • 00:39:25.286 --> 00:39:31.025
  • King he's already won a bunch of battles, he is the guy in
  • 00:39:31.025 --> 00:39:34.995
  • The world, literally he is the leader of the known world at
  • 00:39:34.995 --> 00:39:38.032
  • The time and that's when he let his guard down, when he
  • 00:39:38.032 --> 00:39:46.907
  • Didn't go to battle, is when bathsheba's story came and there
  • 00:39:46.907 --> 00:39:49.944
  • Is a redemption piece to his whole thing, the son born of
  • 00:39:49.944 --> 00:39:56.884
  • That bad relationship becomes you know solomon who it was
  • 00:39:56.884 --> 00:40:01.589
  • Said of him there will be no evil occurring nor there will
  • 00:40:01.589 --> 00:40:05.826
  • Be any adversary on any border to him.
  • 00:40:05.826 --> 00:40:09.730
  • He will build the dwelling place of god.
  • 00:40:09.730 --> 00:40:11.866
  • Think of that god was waiting to build under the old
  • 00:40:11.866 --> 00:40:15.269
  • Covenant his dwelling place and he took an affair, and
  • 00:40:15.269 --> 00:40:20.808
  • That to create the man that would build the place that he
  • 00:40:20.808 --> 00:40:27.214
  • Would dwell in.
  • 00:40:27.214 --> 00:40:28.616
  • So would god not want to be willing to do that with us?
  • 00:40:28.616 --> 00:40:32.620
  • To take and this process of grinding us, arthur blessed
  • 00:40:32.620 --> 00:40:41.328
  • Our dear friend who carried a cross around the world and
  • 00:40:41.328 --> 00:40:44.632
  • What an amazing story that we got to tell in the form of a
  • 00:40:44.632 --> 00:40:49.203
  • Movie the cross, but he used to say god's grinding me to
  • 00:40:49.203 --> 00:40:55.442
  • Powder so that he can blow me wherever he wants me to go,
  • 00:40:55.442 --> 00:41:01.248
  • Knowing that i will just do whatever he says.
  • 00:41:01.248 --> 00:41:03.384
  • That's what god is looking for, the process is painful
  • 00:41:03.384 --> 00:41:09.023
  • But there's purpose to the pain and i think that your
  • 00:41:09.023 --> 00:41:13.227
  • Art, if there's a picture worth a thousand words we have
  • 00:41:13.227 --> 00:41:19.833
  • Millions of words here in the studio with those kind of make
  • 00:41:19.833 --> 00:41:23.704
  • A point why don't you pastor this moment for a little bit
  • 00:41:23.704 --> 00:41:26.974
  • And talk to our audience, talk to us about what we all may be
  • 00:41:26.974 --> 00:41:33.614
  • Feeling, we all may be going through, a very bad situation,
  • 00:41:33.614 --> 00:41:39.219
  • That we just wish it would go away.
  • 00:41:39.219 --> 00:41:42.323
  • And every one of these pictures has a moment where
  • 00:41:42.323 --> 00:41:47.061
  • They just wish it would have gone away but there's purpose
  • 00:41:47.061 --> 00:41:50.864
  • To that, doug.
  • 00:41:50.864 --> 00:41:53.968
  • - yes so to quote winston churchill one piece of advice
  • 00:41:53.968 --> 00:41:58.038
  • If you are going through --, keep going.
  • 00:41:58.038 --> 00:42:00.641
  • You got to be tenacious man, there's christians we go over
  • 00:42:00.641 --> 00:42:06.180
  • The molehill in the garden of eden and we are ready to stay
  • 00:42:06.180 --> 00:42:09.783
  • On the counselors couch for the next 15 years.
  • 00:42:09.783 --> 00:42:12.853
  • There's got to be there's got to be a scrappiness to the
  • 00:42:12.853 --> 00:42:18.092
  • Believer when they're in these wilderness time.
  • 00:42:18.092 --> 00:42:21.495
  • When they are in the throes of serious pain whether spiritual
  • 00:42:21.495 --> 00:42:25.599
  • Or physical or familial and there's gotta be again
  • 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:31.038
  • Tenacious fighting back using the weapons of our warfare you
  • 00:42:31.038 --> 00:42:35.743
  • Cannot stay passive.
  • 00:42:35.743 --> 00:42:37.478
  • If you're sick man start declaring the word of god not
  • 00:42:37.478 --> 00:42:41.048
  • Telling you to avoid doctors or anything like that, but if
  • 00:42:41.048 --> 00:42:47.655
  • You got again demonic problems, then go after the
  • 00:42:47.655 --> 00:42:50.991
  • Powers of darkness, slap them in the morning instead of
  • 00:42:50.991 --> 00:42:53.093
  • Them slapping you.
  • 00:42:53.093 --> 00:42:54.361
  • There's a scripture in first john 2:14 where, john son of
  • 00:42:54.361 --> 00:42:58.832
  • Thunder who was going to be an epic redneck type of character
  • 00:42:58.832 --> 00:43:03.370
  • For jesus to give him that nickname, he says of the young
  • 00:43:03.370 --> 00:43:07.474
  • People, back in the first century, "i write to you young
  • 00:43:07.474 --> 00:43:09.877
  • Men because you are strong, the word of god abides in you
  • 00:43:09.877 --> 00:43:13.547
  • And you have overcome the evil one." now think about that,
  • 00:43:13.547 --> 00:43:16.517
  • They are physically strong, does not mean they are
  • 00:43:16.517 --> 00:43:19.219
  • Spiritually strong they can do push-ups, i did by push-ups
  • 00:43:19.219 --> 00:43:22.623
  • Before covering here.
  • 00:43:22.623 --> 00:43:23.724
  • They knew the word of god again there goes most
  • 00:43:23.724 --> 00:43:27.027
  • Christians in the youth group they don't know the scripture,
  • 00:43:27.027 --> 00:43:29.296
  • They know memes, they know instagram posts, and stuff
  • 00:43:29.296 --> 00:43:33.400
  • Like that, but they don't have a deep knowledge of the
  • 00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.070
  • Word of god.
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  • All that helps you ride the storm out as reo speedwagon
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  • Said, and then laurie it said they overcame the evil one and
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  • These are young men so it's not like matt and doug are
  • 00:43:42.843 --> 00:43:47.614
  • Overcoming the devil and pastor said he's
  • 00:43:47.614 --> 00:43:50.551
  • Overcoming the devil.
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  • No these young kids are overcoming the devil.
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  • So these guys facing all the garbage that's in our
  • 00:43:54.421 --> 00:43:57.524
  • Culture right now, all the demonic activity all the
  • 00:43:57.524 --> 00:44:02.029
  • Revival all the other stuff, and through three simple
  • 00:44:02.029 --> 00:44:04.898
  • Little things as a pastor but nobody's gonna do it, because
  • 00:44:04.898 --> 00:44:09.837
  • People don't listen.
  • 00:44:09.837 --> 00:44:11.371
  • But if you just become physically fit, i know it
  • 00:44:11.371 --> 00:44:14.875
  • Sounds weird, if you devour the scripture, i mean devour
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  • It, you ever remember old prophet lady named iverna
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  • Tompkins? -sure.
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  • - so i saw her when i first got converted in
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  • Lubbock, texas and i was single at this time and she
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  • Was talking about the spirit of elisha and i was like i've
  • 00:44:34.161 --> 00:44:38.198
  • Never heard anybody preach like her period.
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  • All the little pastors that i had, they didn't have the
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  • Thunder that that woman brought.
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  • So i walked up to her and said you are single right?
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  • And she goes yes son, i said would you marry me?
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  • She said well you are a little young and not my type, i said
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  • Well do you have any advice for me?
  • 00:45:00.921 --> 00:45:02.556
  • So she had a big old black bible and she rolled it up and
  • 00:45:02.556 --> 00:45:06.093
  • Said eat the scroll.
  • 00:45:06.093 --> 00:45:07.294
  • And i took the advice as a young christian just got off
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  • Drugs and stupidity, shooting people, dealing with all that
  • 00:45:08.629 --> 00:45:13.967
  • Kind of stuff and i wore out i think four bibles in
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  • Three years.
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  • So get fit if you can't do anything about your dumb
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  • Situations or whatever's going on, man don't stop taking care
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  • Of your body.
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  • And then also eat the scroll, devour the scripture and then
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  • Have a good testimony, don't overcome the evil and please
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  • Somebody, can we have anybody that's overcoming
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  • The devil anymore?
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  • How's it going george?
  • 00:45:42.296 --> 00:45:44.932
  • Well thank god there's only 24 hours in a day if there had
  • 00:45:44.932 --> 00:45:48.068
  • Been a 25th i wouldn't have made it.
  • 00:45:48.068 --> 00:45:51.305
  • I'm tired of hearing that have some trophies on the wall
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  • Where you destroyed greed or envy or lust or something,
  • 00:45:55.075 --> 00:46:00.614
  • Where it's just you have a positive testimony that during
  • 00:46:00.614 --> 00:46:06.019
  • This process that you're going through more pooh-pooh el
  • 00:46:06.019 --> 00:46:09.857
  • Grande then a fort worth stockyard that you still have
  • 00:46:09.857 --> 00:46:13.560
  • The shiny points of victory that god is with me, god is
  • 00:46:13.560 --> 00:46:17.431
  • Speaking and that i am practically doing what i can
  • 00:46:17.431 --> 00:46:21.835
  • While he does his sovereign weird who do, voodoo thing
  • 00:46:21.835 --> 00:46:26.573
  • That he's doing to us and we know nothing about, you can
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  • Still do those practical things.
  • 00:46:29.643 --> 00:46:32.379
  • - when i think about inviting you, i remember being
  • 00:46:32.379 --> 00:46:39.152
  • Introduced to you, with eric metaxas, and man when you and
  • 00:46:39.152 --> 00:46:42.789
  • Eric kind of get together you are kind of like plutonium and
  • 00:46:42.789 --> 00:46:49.529
  • Uranium and you get too close and it just starts blowing up,
  • 00:46:49.529 --> 00:46:56.536
  • I remember though being down in your studio, i've been to
  • 00:46:56.536 --> 00:47:03.210
  • Your place where you paint, i have seen what you do i've
  • 00:47:03.210 --> 00:47:13.153
  • Been firsthand there, and i've walked around with you and i
  • 00:47:13.153 --> 00:47:17.224
  • Did my best to turn the studio into a similar vibe of what i
  • 00:47:17.224 --> 00:47:26.867
  • Experienced when i was down with you and you surround
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  • Yourself with these moments like this, of biblical heroes,
  • 00:47:29.703 --> 00:47:36.076
  • The bible you say devour the word, but you take these
  • 00:47:36.076 --> 00:47:42.082
  • Moments and you turn them into these images that there are
  • 00:47:42.082 --> 00:47:46.386
  • These fierce eyed people that had to face the reality of god
  • 00:47:46.386 --> 00:47:53.994
  • Wanting to use them, they all felt unqualified, they all
  • 00:47:53.994 --> 00:48:00.200
  • Were doubting, and in today when we are sitting here in
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  • 2026, we have 2000 years of church history after the power
  • 00:48:06.640 --> 00:48:12.145
  • Of the holy spirit was poured out.
  • 00:48:12.145 --> 00:48:16.283
  • It's like what are we waiting for?
  • 00:48:16.283 --> 00:48:18.986
  • Jesus said all power has been given unto me in heaven and
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  • The earth.
  • 00:48:23.457 --> 00:48:25.325
  • I am on earth so all power is here in jesus has it all.
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  • He delegates that to us through the holy spirit so god
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  • Lives in us.
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  • Think of how safe they felt when the ark of the covenant
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  • Was dwelling in the temple in jerusalem.
  • 00:48:42.209 --> 00:48:46.513
  • When they were obedient to the law nothing could touch them.
  • 00:48:46.513 --> 00:48:51.752
  • So now god decides to dwell in us, nothing can touch us,
  • 00:48:51.752 --> 00:48:56.223
  • Nothing can keep us from the palm of his hand.
  • 00:48:56.223 --> 00:49:00.761
  • So all power resides in us and what we are looking for is
  • 00:49:00.761 --> 00:49:05.966
  • People that can understand that, it's really just the
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  • Understanding that god's sovereign, he's working the
  • 00:49:08.702 --> 00:49:12.706
  • Plan, there's purpose to the pain, and ultimately it's easy
  • 00:49:12.706 --> 00:49:18.645
  • To sit here and i'm looking at the scars that you painted on
  • 00:49:18.645 --> 00:49:23.750
  • The apostle paul's face and i'm looking at the steely eyed
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  • Moment of esther and i'm looking at david holding the
  • 00:49:28.722 --> 00:49:32.559
  • Head of goliath and that is the scroll come to life
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  • Imagine, why don't we imagine ourselves like that?
  • 00:49:38.665 --> 00:49:42.402
  • That god is waiting for us to have that attitude and what
  • 00:49:42.402 --> 00:49:47.674
  • Else does he have to do, he sent his son to redeem us back
  • 00:49:47.674 --> 00:49:52.245
  • Then he sent the holy spirit to empower us.
  • 00:49:52.245 --> 00:49:54.981
  • What else is there?
  • 00:49:54.981 --> 00:49:57.717
  • Nothing else, he's given us everything that pertains to
  • 00:49:57.717 --> 00:50:02.089
  • Life and godliness.
  • 00:50:02.089 --> 00:50:04.124
  • So what's your excuse?
  • 00:50:04.124 --> 00:50:07.794
  • - exactly.
  • 00:50:07.794 --> 00:50:09.262
  • - none.
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  • Just seal the program doug, you know and pray for us that
  • 00:50:10.564 --> 00:50:16.470
  • We catch this eye of the tiger that i see, this steely eyed
  • 00:50:16.470 --> 00:50:21.741
  • Moment to do whatever god has called us to do and realize
  • 00:50:21.741 --> 00:50:23.977
  • The process in the common denominator of all these
  • 00:50:23.977 --> 00:50:26.379
  • Heroes of faith is the pain that they endured for the
  • 00:50:26.379 --> 00:50:32.352
  • Moment god would take them onto the world stage to change
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  • The world.
  • 00:50:36.156 --> 00:50:37.724
  • - well first of all thank you guys for having me and so in
  • 00:50:37.724 --> 00:50:41.161
  • Regards to the arts and art being important, you know
  • 00:50:41.161 --> 00:50:44.498
  • Going back to my [indiscernible] for all my
  • 00:50:44.498 --> 00:50:47.234
  • Artwork of life imitates art don't get lame art.
  • 00:50:47.234 --> 00:50:50.904
  • I wake up and i see david with goliath's head in his hand or
  • 00:50:50.904 --> 00:50:55.342
  • You know i got a painting of william wallace where he
  • 00:50:55.342 --> 00:50:57.277
  • Screaming freedom so we all wake up feeling like a hamster
  • 00:50:57.277 --> 00:51:01.515
  • Sometimes, feeling less than ourselves or johnny's on fire
  • 00:51:01.515 --> 00:51:05.819
  • For the lord and then you see that imagery and it's like
  • 00:51:05.819 --> 00:51:09.256
  • Listen i got to pony up i gotta play the man.
  • 00:51:09.256 --> 00:51:12.259
  • God did not call me to be a mouse, he called me to be an
  • 00:51:12.259 --> 00:51:16.163
  • Overcomer and like you said jesus has all authority, we
  • 00:51:16.163 --> 00:51:19.032
  • Have the same spirit that raised christ from the dead
  • 00:51:19.032 --> 00:51:22.802
  • Dwelling in us, so what's my problem here, so again the art
  • 00:51:22.802 --> 00:51:27.307
  • Conveys that, i like to think it does and so in regards to
  • 00:51:27.307 --> 00:51:32.345
  • Folks out there that are going through the wood chipper right
  • 00:51:32.345 --> 00:51:37.217
  • Now, man you know how an oak was once a little nut that
  • 00:51:37.217 --> 00:51:43.123
  • Held its ground, just hold your ground man and really go
  • 00:51:43.123 --> 00:51:47.327
  • Through the book of psalms and one big advice for the viewer
  • 00:51:47.327 --> 00:51:53.700
  • Is to use the message translation that eugene
  • 00:51:53.700 --> 00:51:59.306
  • Peterson did in his fabulous translation of the psalms
  • 00:51:59.306 --> 00:52:03.710
  • Because you really learn how to pray in pain, you get to
  • 00:52:03.710 --> 00:52:08.048
  • Emote you know, david encourages through the psalms
  • 00:52:08.048 --> 00:52:12.485
  • Us to be real and us to be raw, man i won't even tell you
  • 00:52:12.485 --> 00:52:18.291
  • What i said to the lord on a couple occasions, because it
  • 00:52:18.291 --> 00:52:20.827
  • Would be bleeped, your crew would be just all over
  • 00:52:20.827 --> 00:52:26.933
  • Themselves in post production, but some of those real raw
  • 00:52:26.933 --> 00:52:30.737
  • Moments and just desperate desperate situations, family
  • 00:52:30.737 --> 00:52:35.508
  • Business or whatever, that's when i connected, and i think
  • 00:52:35.508 --> 00:52:39.179
  • You know for the viewer and the listener, is just get real
  • 00:52:39.179 --> 00:52:42.949
  • He knows what you're going through already, tell him
  • 00:52:42.949 --> 00:52:45.752
  • Always be faithful just do not give up do not quit church,
  • 00:52:45.752 --> 00:52:49.456
  • Don't get a "666" tattooed on your head don't join an anti
  • 00:52:49.456 --> 00:52:53.660
  • You know christian marxists [indiscernible] improv group
  • 00:52:53.660 --> 00:52:57.631
  • Because you're going through a tough time, everybody's going
  • 00:52:57.631 --> 00:53:00.834
  • Through it, peter said don't act like your trial is a weird
  • 00:53:00.834 --> 00:53:04.738
  • Thing, everybody's going through something.
  • 00:53:04.738 --> 00:53:08.208
  • And if you're not going through something, just wait a
  • 00:53:08.208 --> 00:53:10.710
  • Month or two and you will be back into the fire jesus said
  • 00:53:10.710 --> 00:53:15.148
  • Those who build on sand and those who build on rock all of
  • 00:53:15.148 --> 00:53:18.385
  • Them get storms.
  • 00:53:18.385 --> 00:53:20.320
  • They get storms, but if we build well then oh we are
  • 00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:24.057
  • Going to come through.
  • 00:53:24.057 --> 00:53:25.425
  • Yeah, might have a few scars like paul and david, but so
  • 00:53:25.425 --> 00:53:31.031
  • What, you know.
  • 00:53:31.031 --> 00:53:32.232
  • - pray for the folks.
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  • Father we thank you lord for this program the purpose of
  • 00:53:34.034 --> 00:53:37.771
  • Pain and god i pray father god that you would make people are
  • 00:53:37.771 --> 00:53:42.375
  • Going through just abysmal conditions right now just
  • 00:53:42.375 --> 00:53:45.612
  • Absolutely champion those situations pray for divine
  • 00:53:45.612 --> 00:53:50.283
  • Miracles, while i pray god that you give them the stained
  • 00:53:50.283 --> 00:53:53.219
  • Power, steadfast, perseverance and father god no quit in them
  • 00:53:53.219 --> 00:53:57.090
  • Whatsoever and lord we thank you god that there is purpose
  • 00:53:57.090 --> 00:54:01.528
  • In all the stuff that we can't even imagine or contemplate
  • 00:54:01.528 --> 00:54:05.565
  • Why it's going down right now and we thank you lord that you
  • 00:54:05.565 --> 00:54:08.368
  • Are going to make it all makes sense.
  • 00:54:08.368 --> 00:54:10.470
  • In jesus name amen.
  • 00:54:10.470 --> 00:54:13.173
  • - and one day we will be a part of the heroes of faith.
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  • One day we will graduate into a position of being able to
  • 00:54:19.245 --> 00:54:23.083
  • Look down this feels like the great cloud of witnesses that
  • 00:54:23.083 --> 00:54:27.454
  • We've been around.
  • 00:54:27.454 --> 00:54:28.755
  • And by the way, if you want information on how you can get
  • 00:54:28.755 --> 00:54:34.761
  • Some of this art that you see it's douggiles.org.
  • 00:54:34.761 --> 00:54:38.431
  • All the information is on the screen.
  • 00:54:38.431 --> 00:54:40.867
  • And this one out in front of us out here that's laurie's
  • 00:54:40.867 --> 00:54:46.439
  • And mine, and thank you doug for that you brought that and
  • 00:54:46.439 --> 00:54:52.145
  • That's going to go upstairs into the office, and a lot of
  • 00:54:52.145 --> 00:54:57.050
  • People will see that and a lot of people are seeing
  • 00:54:57.050 --> 00:54:59.719
  • It right now.
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  • Thank you doug for being with us thank you for the tone that
  • 00:55:01.054 --> 00:55:03.423
  • You bring that god's looking for people that will
  • 00:55:03.423 --> 00:55:09.963
  • Steadfastly go through the process and then come out
  • 00:55:09.963 --> 00:55:14.334
  • As shiny gold.
  • 00:55:14.334 --> 00:55:16.903
  • You know the old adage of you heat up the silver until the
  • 00:55:16.903 --> 00:55:20.206
  • Silversmith can see his own reflection it's gotta get hot
  • 00:55:20.206 --> 00:55:23.943
  • Enough until you know, and that's what god is looking for
  • 00:55:23.943 --> 00:55:29.149
  • And a lot of times we forget that and- -
  • 00:55:29.149 --> 00:55:32.285
  • In the time of doug giles.
  • 00:55:32.285 --> 00:55:33.586
  • - in the time of doug giles and he came and we put all of
  • 00:55:33.586 --> 00:55:37.524
  • His paintings, and thank you for bringing this.
  • 00:55:37.524 --> 00:55:41.227
  • - i love what jesus said i'm praying that your
  • 00:55:41.227 --> 00:55:44.697
  • Faith is strong.
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  • And so today we are praying that your faith is strong,
  • 00:55:45.932 --> 00:55:48.435
  • Hang in there.
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  • It's such a beautiful, it's almost like i kind of hate to
  • 00:55:49.736 --> 00:55:54.674
  • Say this, but it's kinda like the worst that it is the
  • 00:55:54.674 --> 00:55:57.343
  • Better it is for us.
  • 00:55:57.343 --> 00:55:58.578
  • And i love that because god is faithful, every moment of
  • 00:55:58.578 --> 00:56:02.148
  • Every day and he's with you and he's for you and he loves
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  • You and i appreciate you so much thank you for coming.
  • 00:56:04.884 --> 00:56:08.154
  • - now say we will see you next time.
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  • - we will see you next time.
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  • - bye.
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