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Dr. Stephen Meyer & Dr. James Tour: Science Meets Faith | Praise

May 20, 2026 | 52:40

Dr. Stephen Meyer & Dr. James Tour: Science Meets Faith | Praise
Hosted by TBN’s own Matt and Laurie Crouch along with other popular personalities, Praise features the best in contemporary Christian music and worship, fresh and impacting ministry voices, engaging interviews from a wide variety of guests, and a fast-moving hour of relevant talk you won’t want to miss!
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Praise | Dr. Stephen Meyer & Dr. James Tour: Science Meets Faith | Praise | May 20, 2026
  • >> tonight on praise, science meets faith.
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  • >> the sciences are growing in their influence because of you
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  • Guys.
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  • >> doctor steven meyer and doctor james tour reveal
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  • Compelling evidence for an intelligent designer.
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  • >> don't have a materialistic, chemical evolutionary
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  • Explanation for the origin of the first life.
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  • >> scientists are clueless on the origin of life. we have no
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  • Idea where life came from.
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  • >> and how breakthrough technologies are shaping the
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  • Future. as believers, step into every arena.
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  • >> you want to to have the church influencing science.
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  • What we need to do is we must be faithful in prayer. be
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  • Faithful in prayer.
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  • >> the kingdom is getting more influence from the church. you
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  • Have basically the entire globe science community covering
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  • Something up that they know is not right. you know that. and
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  • The fact that you can sit here and calmly or moderately calmly.
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  • >> i'm on a christian program.
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  • >> steve knows that that sometimes i'm locked and loaded.
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  • >> the praise program for all of those people that did not
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  • Like school is upon us because we have two very sweet
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  • Professors, doctorates in chemistry and all sorts of
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  • Stuff. oh, and we're going to get into some of the things
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  • That have happened. steven, help me drag out some
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  • Information from doctor tours. if you go to youtube and thank
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  • You, doctor tour for finally kind of getting into youtube
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  • And, and you've been doing that a little bit.
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  • >> it's a very simple thing compared to your production.
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  • >> let me just tell you something, doctor tours, thank
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  • You for recognizing the kind of effort that we put in to
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  • Creating the environment that we're in. we were at your lab
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  • At rice university a few years ago. we got to watch you make
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  • Flash graphene. yes. we want an update on that a little bit.
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  • But stephen, i'm so glad you're here because i might not be
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  • Able to even formulate the question correctly.
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  • >> is lingo.
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  • >> you know, to, to kind of.
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  • >> translate a little.
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  • >> bit, give let me tell you what i believe this episode is
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  • About. i love it when somebody will make a very dramatic
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  • Statement and then have to back it up. okay, i like that kind
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  • Of controversy. and a preacher friend of mine the other day, i
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  • Was on the phone and he said, the church has made a big
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  • Mistake in their understanding of something. and i said,
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  • Pastor, what's that? and he said, the church thinks it's
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  • The kingdom. and, you know, you kind of think about that. you
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  • Hear that? let that sit for a second. you go, well, wait a
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  • Second. you know, isn't that wouldn't that be a true
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  • Statement? and so it's a provocative statement. and so
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  • It needs a little backup. what he said is god is, is a very
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  • Jealous god. take the scripture. the earth is the lord's, the
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  • Fullness thereof, and all they that dwell therein. so the
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  • Kingdom is everything. okay? your film, the story of
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  • Everything, you know, think of that. but it's everything. so
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  • All the decisions of man are either allowing the church to
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  • Grow in its influence in the kingdom, or those decisions in
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  • Life by politicians or scientists or whoever are
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  • Trying to diminish the church's influence inside the kingdom.
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  • The the church needs to, in essence, grow in its influence
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  • In everything. okay. the field that we're dealing with right
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  • Now is this the sciences. so help me get doctor tour to
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  • Explain to us that the kingdom is advancing because of some of
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  • The things 850 plus published papers, doctor tours, you're
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  • 150 plus patents that are now full blown businesses that have
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  • Come out of your lab. and all of this is the kingdom is
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  • Getting more influence from the church.
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  • >> and he teaches a bible study.
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  • >> doctor tours a bible believing, jesus following
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  • Person. stephen, you guys represent jesus inside of the
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  • Sciences. and that means the sciences are growing in their
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  • Influence because of you guys. thank you for that. the world
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  • Is better off and some of the greatest scientific discoveries
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  • Are coming out of your lab doctor tours. i mean, things
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  • That are world changing, and we're going to get to that.
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  • We're going to get to all that first, though. what about the
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  • Origin of life? what's the best way to introduce the origin of
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  • Life? and then let doctor tour kind of give us a little.
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  • >> you host now.
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  • >> yeah. well, give us a little.
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  • >> all been told for a very long time that scientists have
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  • A clear understanding of how life arose from simple
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  • Non-living chemicals coming out of a prebiotic soup or
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  • Prebiotic ocean. and there's a famous experiment called the
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  • Miller-urey experiment from 1953 that is still in our
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  • Textbooks, that purports to demonstrate the plausibility of
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  • This transition from simple inorganic molecules to an
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  • Actual living cell. the experiment does no such thing.
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  • People who work on origin of life research now know it does
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  • Not illustrate that for a variety of reasons, which we
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  • Can explain. and doctor tours. being an organic synthesis
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  • Specialist, an organic chemist knows what organic and organic
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  • Molecules do on their own, unaided by intelligence, and
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  • They do not move in a life friendly direction. and so when
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  • He began to think about the origin of life problem, there
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  • Was a sense in which the zeal for his father's house overcame
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  • Him. and partly it was his zeal for chemical knowledge. and
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  • Partly it was this essentially atheistic story that was being
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  • Told to our kids. and so he he began to show, based on what we
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  • Know about chemistry, that this thing we've been told over and
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  • Over and over again does not actually work and that we don't
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  • Have a materialistic, chemical, evolutionary explanation for
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  • The origin of the first life.
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  • >> give us a little bit of a five.
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  • >> minute lecture on this. where do we sit as of today's,
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  • You know, taping in the origin of life and and your take on it,
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  • Doctor tour.
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  • >> scientists are clueless on the origin of life. we have no
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  • Idea where life came from. you have to be able to build four
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  • Classes of molecules. we know what the characteristics of
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  • Life are. they have to have a cell, and those cells have to
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  • Be able to reproduce, and they have to have a metabolism. they
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  • Have to breathe. they have to have something called
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  • Homeostasis. every cell has this, which is the internal
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  • Operating functioning of a cell. and so nobody's ever explained
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  • How all of this could have come about. you have to build for
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  • You have to have four basic classes of compounds. so in
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  • Nature, what happens is in biological systems, you have
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  • Enzymes that put these things together. they don't normally
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  • Come together on their own. so it's the whole chicken and egg
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  • Problem. how do you how do you get the polypeptides? how do
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  • You get the proteins if you don't have something to put
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  • Them together? but if but once you have the protein, you have
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  • To have the protein to put together all these other things.
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  • So it's very complex. we don't know how to put these together.
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  • And it's so complex that even if somebody gave us in our
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  • Modern laboratory, all of these different components, we
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  • Couldn't put them together. it is like taking the engine of
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  • Your car apart to every little screw, every little spring,
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  • Every little washer, everything. and then taking all that,
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  • Putting it in the passenger compartment of the car,
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  • Shutting the door and saying, if i just waited long enough,
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  • That engine would start coming together and hop right into the
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  • Engine compartment and that car would start running. of course,
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  • We would say that that's nonsense. this is exactly what
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  • They are saying on the chemical. they say, well, if we had all
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  • These pieces, they would somehow come together.
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  • >> assemble.
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  • >> self-assemble in a vesicle, and they would start running.
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  • And nobody would say that with a car because everyone would
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  • Say, you are crazy. you're crazy to suggest such a thing.
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  • Well, if we waited a billion years, then maybe it would
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  • Start doing it. no, it wouldn't start doing it. and in fact, it
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  • Would start to rust and decompose all the organic
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  • Chemicals. they decompose actually very quickly and they
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  • Lose their handedness. they lose something called
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  • Epimerization on all the amino acids that occurs quite rapidly,
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  • Actually, the nucleotides, these decompose quite rapidly.
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  • So they quote unquote rust very rapidly. it doesn't take years
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  • And years. it takes on the order of hours sometimes to
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  • Start seeing them decompose. and so all of these are the
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  • Problems of how did life form. we don't know.
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  • >> can i put this in a little wider context? sure. help your
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  • Audience. in the 19th century, right after darwin formulated
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  • His theory of the origin of species by natural selection,
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  • He had a famous british scientist named thomas henry
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  • Huxley, who was dubbed his bulldog, and huxley had his
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  • Understanding of the simple cell. the smallest unit of life
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  • Was typical of darwin's time, he said. it was a simple,
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  • Homogeneous globule of undifferentiated protoplasm.
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  • And so the understanding in darwin's time was that the cell.
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  • Yes, it was an enclosure, but inside was a kind of chemical
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  • Goo that could be assembled easily as very simple chemicals
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  • Reacted one with another, and assembled this simple
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  • Protoplasmic substance that they thought would be life. it
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  • Happens that i did my phd on origin of life biology. so jim
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  • And i have this common interest and my one of my phd
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  • Supervisors said that behind the question of the origin of
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  • Life lies a simple question. what is it that we're trying to
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  • Explain the origin of? in the 19th century, when people
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  • Thought that life was very simple, it was easy to imagine
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  • How 1 or 2 simple chemical reactions would build the
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  • Protoplasmic goo that makes life. now we know that life
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  • Contains. or these four different types of what are
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  • Called bio macromolecules, and that inside the cell you have a
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  • Complex information processing system with nanomachines doing
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  • The processing of the information. it's an. it's an
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  • Organized factory and explaining how that would have
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  • Arisen spontaneously is as difficult as as jim just
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  • Described. how would you take all the parts from the internal
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  • Combustion engine and hope they're going to organize
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  • Themselves? is it not going to happen? and so the the field of
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  • Origin of life research has been in a state of impasse at
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  • Least since the early 1980s, and it's not gotten any better.
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  • And when professor, to wade into this discussion, the the
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  • Rats started jumping off the ship. people were very
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  • Frightened to have to engage someone who didn't share their
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  • Materialistic assumptions and who wasn't willing to gloss
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  • Over all of these problems, and who knew the chemistry
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  • Intimately. so no one will debate this man, and they don't
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  • Debate him because he knows way too much. and and so he's
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  • Actually having a big effect on the field as a whole because
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  • He's performing a kind of chemical accounting of these
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  • Different origin theories. performing an audit, an audit.
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  • Exactly. he's exposing really deep problems with all, all of
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  • These, these, these different theories of the origin of life.
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  • >> okay, but what if doctor tour, you struck that pile of
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  • Parts with lightning?
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  • >> yes. yeah. what if we did that? if you hit that.
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  • >> that's what they're saying though, right.
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  • >> so what would happen is.
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  • >> all those metals would would be melted and destroyed. and
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  • That's actually what lightning does. i mean, because i know
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  • When we make flash graphene, that's essentially what we do.
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  • We, we put a, put a high voltage and a high current
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  • Through something. and the result of that, it.
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  • >> explodes it in essence, almost.
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  • >> yeah. it breaks all the bonds. it everything,
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  • Everything shatters.
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  • >> that's your that's what i learned.
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  • >> your question is very apt, though, because it's often
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  • Assumed that all we need is the matter, the parts and the
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  • Energy. yeah, but that's not there's a third fundamental
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  • Element that's needed, and that's the information we need
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  • To arrange the parts into very specific order and sequence in
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  • Order for them to perform functions that will help keep a
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  • Cell alive. and it's the origin of the information. that's the
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  • Critical question that's unanswered by all origin of
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  • Life biology, origin of life research. and yet information
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  • In our experience is something we know always arises from a
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  • Mind or from intelligence.
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  • >> and we've been 50 years now understanding the third leg of
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  • That stool. and science is just if i put my hands over my eyes,
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  • It doesn't exist. they just don't. they don't. they won't
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  • Accept.
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  • >> steve talked about how the cell it was thought it was just
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  • This protoplasm, this disorganized goo. every year we
  • 00:13:42.316 --> 00:13:46.486
  • Are learning more just to have the simplest of cells. there's
  • 00:13:46.486 --> 00:13:50.123
  • These layers of systems engineering that go on between
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  • The dna all the way out to, to the, to the lipids on the
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  • Outside of the cell, and then communicating to neighboring
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  • Cells around them. and then information from the
  • 00:14:03.270 --> 00:14:06.173
  • Neighboring cells is coming in. that's how the cells recognize
  • 00:14:06.173 --> 00:14:09.476
  • One another and the surfaces of the cells change depending
  • 00:14:09.476 --> 00:14:13.780
  • Constantly changing, depending on what the cell needs and its
  • 00:14:13.780 --> 00:14:17.684
  • Operation to survive. and there are these channels that open up
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  • And everything is regulated from within. and everything is,
  • 00:14:21.655 --> 00:14:24.925
  • Is happens because of calcium, just calcium ions being
  • 00:14:24.925 --> 00:14:29.196
  • Released through a series of different peptides that allow
  • 00:14:29.196 --> 00:14:32.933
  • These things to, to come out. and this activates. and that's
  • 00:14:32.933 --> 00:14:35.969
  • Why you can take one heart cell one and you activate it and it
  • 00:14:35.969 --> 00:14:42.209
  • Spews out this calcium that signals all the other heart
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  • Cells. and then all the cells start beating in unison. i mean,
  • 00:14:45.379 --> 00:14:49.349
  • You just, you just activate one cell over here and all the
  • 00:14:49.349 --> 00:14:53.287
  • Other cells are you see this wave of activation, every
  • 00:14:53.287 --> 00:14:57.691
  • Heartbeat is this every heartbeat. try to make one of
  • 00:14:57.691 --> 00:15:02.062
  • These in a lab and do this. it's impossible. and these guys
  • 00:15:02.062 --> 00:15:06.433
  • See it, these origin of life researchers, these chemists,
  • 00:15:06.433 --> 00:15:09.903
  • They see exactly what i see, but they will not speak up.
  • 00:15:09.903 --> 00:15:13.507
  • They will not speak up. because what happens is when you speak
  • 00:15:13.507 --> 00:15:17.444
  • Up, the community itself comes against you. the community
  • 00:15:17.444 --> 00:15:21.415
  • Itself keeps you out of their societies, keeps you out of
  • 00:15:21.415 --> 00:15:24.685
  • Their academies, wants to cut your funding, and that's why
  • 00:15:24.685 --> 00:15:28.322
  • They're not speaking up, because they don't want to
  • 00:15:28.322 --> 00:15:30.824
  • Happen to them. what has happened to me? people have
  • 00:15:30.824 --> 00:15:33.694
  • Even said to me, jim, i agree with you. just don't tell them.
  • 00:15:33.694 --> 00:15:36.997
  • >> my name. my goodness.
  • 00:15:36.997 --> 00:15:38.298
  • >> don't tell them who it is. you see. so there's a whole
  • 00:15:38.298 --> 00:15:41.401
  • Cover up here and this is what's happening. and the the
  • 00:15:41.401 --> 00:15:44.304
  • Real downside of this is that they're teaching this to
  • 00:15:44.304 --> 00:15:47.674
  • Students in school from this materialistic standpoint, and
  • 00:15:47.674 --> 00:15:50.644
  • It's drawing them astray because you actually have high
  • 00:15:50.644 --> 00:15:53.547
  • School teachers who don't understand this at the depth of
  • 00:15:53.547 --> 00:15:56.616
  • A level. and so they teach this and they say, oh, well, we've
  • 00:15:56.616 --> 00:15:59.720
  • Got this all figured out because they're, they think
  • 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:02.556
  • That there are other scientists that have it figured out. none
  • 00:16:02.556 --> 00:16:05.158
  • Of them have it figured out, and they're not confessing it.
  • 00:16:05.158 --> 00:16:08.061
  • >> what we're finding in even simple one celled organisms is
  • 00:16:08.061 --> 00:16:11.798
  • Wheels within wheels of integrated complexity. it's
  • 00:16:11.798 --> 00:16:15.736
  • It's awesome. and then when, as jim was talking about these
  • 00:16:15.736 --> 00:16:19.373
  • Multicellular organisms, us, you know, you think about
  • 00:16:19.373 --> 00:16:21.541
  • What's going on in an organ like the heart, the complexity
  • 00:16:21.541 --> 00:16:24.378
  • Just is. further complicated and you can hardly get your
  • 00:16:24.378 --> 00:16:30.450
  • Mind around it. so, so life is anything but a simple,
  • 00:16:30.450 --> 00:16:34.554
  • Homogeneous globule of undifferentiated protoplasm.
  • 00:16:34.554 --> 00:16:37.024
  • >> i'll never be able to think of the origin of life again
  • 00:16:37.024 --> 00:16:41.962
  • Without thinking of my engine, which is as simple now as
  • 00:16:41.962 --> 00:16:47.034
  • Pushing a button on your dashboard right now, being in
  • 00:16:47.034 --> 00:16:52.506
  • Thousands of parts, sitting in the car next to me, and you can
  • 00:16:52.506 --> 00:16:57.577
  • Take your analogy and even become more ridiculous about it.
  • 00:16:57.577 --> 00:17:00.714
  • Well, who formed that part perfectly? even if it was, even
  • 00:17:00.714 --> 00:17:05.519
  • If a piston was going to talk to the crankshaft and
  • 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:10.123
  • Communicate to it and say, i need to be next to you so that
  • 00:17:10.123 --> 00:17:12.692
  • When you rotate, you know, the combustion happens. okay, how
  • 00:17:12.692 --> 00:17:16.730
  • Is it all going to jump into the front of the car? and then
  • 00:17:16.730 --> 00:17:20.300
  • I get to touch a button there. it's ludicrous.
  • 00:17:20.300 --> 00:17:24.204
  • >> and all the parts think of all the parts are there
  • 00:17:24.204 --> 00:17:27.407
  • Together. what happens when you say with an origin of life? all
  • 00:17:27.407 --> 00:17:31.812
  • The parts. if you say, oh, well, this may have formed here, this
  • 00:17:31.812 --> 00:17:34.581
  • May. there are all different parts of the world. how did
  • 00:17:34.581 --> 00:17:37.417
  • They get together in a pile? and even if they were in the
  • 00:17:37.417 --> 00:17:40.487
  • Pile, how did they assemble? but they're all over the
  • 00:17:40.487 --> 00:17:43.623
  • Universe. people say, well, you found such and such a molecule.
  • 00:17:43.623 --> 00:17:46.693
  • It was in a in an asteroid, in interstellar space. i said,
  • 00:17:46.693 --> 00:17:50.564
  • Yeah, but that had to get that had to get to this place in
  • 00:17:50.564 --> 00:17:54.201
  • Florida where you said there was that other molecule and
  • 00:17:54.201 --> 00:17:56.536
  • Everything has to be in the same place at the same time,
  • 00:17:56.536 --> 00:17:59.406
  • Because the molecules don't survive their half life, the,
  • 00:17:59.406 --> 00:18:03.009
  • The, the, the length at which they survive is very short. and
  • 00:18:03.009 --> 00:18:07.447
  • So they have to find each other. how do you do this in in what
  • 00:18:07.447 --> 00:18:11.651
  • People will call a geological time frame? it's ridiculous.
  • 00:18:11.651 --> 00:18:16.490
  • >> all i can think is the first time i met him, i thought he
  • 00:18:16.490 --> 00:18:19.726
  • Has to have so much grace for ignorance.
  • 00:18:19.726 --> 00:18:21.928
  • >> yeah, seriously.
  • 00:18:21.928 --> 00:18:23.230
  • >> like, can't watch anything on television.
  • 00:18:23.230 --> 00:18:26.466
  • >> it's a wonder that you're not a mean guy, you know?
  • 00:18:26.466 --> 00:18:30.403
  • Because if you if you have this, you know, you have basically
  • 00:18:30.403 --> 00:18:35.442
  • The entire globe science community covering something up
  • 00:18:35.442 --> 00:18:41.181
  • That they know is not right. you know that. and the fact
  • 00:18:41.181 --> 00:18:45.852
  • That you can sit here and calmly or moderately calmly.
  • 00:18:45.852 --> 00:18:50.290
  • >> i'm on a christian program.
  • 00:18:50.290 --> 00:18:53.426
  • >> steve knows that sometimes i'm locked and loaded and i
  • 00:18:53.426 --> 00:18:58.165
  • Want to see you there. i can get pretty intense.
  • 00:18:58.165 --> 00:19:00.433
  • >> you can ignite.
  • 00:19:00.433 --> 00:19:01.368
  • >> he can ignite.
  • 00:19:01.368 --> 00:19:02.469
  • >> final thought on origin of life.
  • 00:19:02.469 --> 00:19:04.638
  • >> yeah, i think, i think that we are close to this whole area
  • 00:19:04.638 --> 00:19:10.076
  • Crumbling. i think that that these folks are being exposed.
  • 00:19:10.076 --> 00:19:13.914
  • And to their credit, there are people like professor lee
  • 00:19:13.914 --> 00:19:19.052
  • Cronin, who i think even though he's, he's he's done origin of
  • 00:19:19.052 --> 00:19:23.356
  • Life work, and he's made many of these nonsensical claims
  • 00:19:23.356 --> 00:19:26.359
  • Saying that the primordial soup model is a good model. he
  • 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:29.796
  • Doesn't say that anymore. i think he is beginning to see
  • 00:19:29.796 --> 00:19:34.501
  • What we are seeing, what i am seeing, he's beginning to see
  • 00:19:34.501 --> 00:19:37.537
  • It, and it's giving him pause in what he's saying. i think it
  • 00:19:37.537 --> 00:19:41.875
  • Is giving him pause, much to his embarrassment, but i think
  • 00:19:41.875 --> 00:19:45.745
  • That it's giving him pause. and other researchers are seeing
  • 00:19:45.745 --> 00:19:48.882
  • This. and my my excitement is that younger people are coming
  • 00:19:48.882 --> 00:19:53.653
  • On into this and and they don't have so many years invested in
  • 00:19:53.653 --> 00:19:58.592
  • This speaking about it. so they're going to be more open
  • 00:19:58.592 --> 00:20:01.127
  • To say, yeah, there's a whole lot of problems in what's going
  • 00:20:01.127 --> 00:20:04.531
  • On here.
  • 00:20:04.531 --> 00:20:05.832
  • >> and my take on this, matt, is that in addition to the
  • 00:20:05.832 --> 00:20:08.902
  • Problems, what we're discovering inside the cell
  • 00:20:08.902 --> 00:20:11.238
  • Provides powerful positive evidence of of a designing
  • 00:20:11.238 --> 00:20:14.507
  • Intelligence behind it all. the most obvious is the code that's
  • 00:20:14.507 --> 00:20:17.677
  • Present in the dna molecule. when when francis crick
  • 00:20:17.677 --> 00:20:22.048
  • Elucidated the structure of dna with with watson a few years
  • 00:20:22.048 --> 00:20:25.518
  • Later, he realized that the. the. along the interior of the
  • 00:20:25.518 --> 00:20:28.888
  • Dna molecule. there are chemical subunits there called
  • 00:20:28.888 --> 00:20:31.758
  • Bases that are functioning like alphabetic characters that are
  • 00:20:31.758 --> 00:20:34.628
  • Written text or like zeros and ones in a section of software.
  • 00:20:34.628 --> 00:20:37.797
  • And the presence of that information is a powerful
  • 00:20:37.797 --> 00:20:41.167
  • Indicator of a master programmer behind life. well,
  • 00:20:41.167 --> 00:20:43.336
  • We know that software comes from a programmer, and if dna
  • 00:20:43.336 --> 00:20:47.173
  • Also has that same sort of informational character, it
  • 00:20:47.173 --> 00:20:50.443
  • Stands to reason that it too must have come from a master
  • 00:20:50.443 --> 00:20:53.446
  • Programmer, which is suggesting a whole new framework for doing
  • 00:20:53.446 --> 00:20:55.949
  • Science. that life was designed and now we are. the job of
  • 00:20:55.949 --> 00:21:00.053
  • Scientists is to figure out, well, what did the designer
  • 00:21:00.053 --> 00:21:02.689
  • Build into life? and that opens up a whole new set of questions.
  • 00:21:02.689 --> 00:21:06.526
  • >> wow. okay. in your lab at rice university doctor tour, we
  • 00:21:06.526 --> 00:21:13.533
  • Were with you a few years ago. we were talking about graphene.
  • 00:21:13.533 --> 00:21:18.338
  • We were talking about other things. and but you, you were
  • 00:21:18.338 --> 00:21:22.842
  • Really kind of talking a lot about a nano machine, a nano,
  • 00:21:22.842 --> 00:21:27.847
  • Just meaning the word small, a small machine. what's the
  • 00:21:27.847 --> 00:21:33.687
  • Newest kind of take on nanomachines coming out of your
  • 00:21:33.687 --> 00:21:38.391
  • Lab in, in this period of time now?
  • 00:21:38.391 --> 00:21:41.261
  • >> okay, so we've made these nanomachines and we've, you
  • 00:21:41.261 --> 00:21:43.830
  • Know, first we built little cars, single molecule cars that
  • 00:21:43.830 --> 00:21:47.867
  • Were two nanometers by three nanometers. they had four
  • 00:21:47.867 --> 00:21:50.603
  • Wheels, independently rotating axles and a little motor you
  • 00:21:50.603 --> 00:21:53.139
  • Could shine a light on, and the motor could spin
  • 00:21:53.139 --> 00:21:56.643
  • Unidirectionally and push the car along just by shining a
  • 00:21:56.643 --> 00:21:59.546
  • Light on the car. and so you can park 50,000 of these across
  • 00:21:59.546 --> 00:22:02.882
  • The diameter of a human hair. so the very small. but then we
  • 00:22:02.882 --> 00:22:07.320
  • Took the machines themselves, and we would have them interact
  • 00:22:07.320 --> 00:22:10.957
  • With cells, and they would drill into cells and kill them.
  • 00:22:10.957 --> 00:22:14.594
  • So you could have them interact with, say, a cancer cell. you
  • 00:22:14.594 --> 00:22:17.831
  • Shine a light, they drill into the cell and they kill. we're
  • 00:22:17.831 --> 00:22:20.433
  • Using that to kill super bacterium, a super bacteria
  • 00:22:20.433 --> 00:22:23.937
  • Like mrsa. you've heard of mrsa and devastating that is. i mean,
  • 00:22:23.937 --> 00:22:27.607
  • These just wipe mrsa out. and then we have a new generation
  • 00:22:27.607 --> 00:22:31.010
  • Of them where. so those first they activated in the uv. now
  • 00:22:31.010 --> 00:22:35.749
  • They activate in the visible. and then we made a new
  • 00:22:35.749 --> 00:22:39.018
  • Generation. one of my postdocs developed these molecules we
  • 00:22:39.018 --> 00:22:41.955
  • Call molecular jackhammers, where we can use near-infrared
  • 00:22:41.955 --> 00:22:46.359
  • Light. the beautiful thing about near-infrared light is
  • 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:49.462
  • That it gives good penetration through human flesh. you may
  • 00:22:49.462 --> 00:22:52.365
  • Remember as a kid, you put your hand up to a lampshade and your
  • 00:22:52.365 --> 00:22:56.035
  • Hand looks red and you think, oh, that's the blood in the
  • 00:22:56.035 --> 00:22:58.905
  • Hand. that's not the blood. it's because what happens is
  • 00:22:58.905 --> 00:23:01.775
  • That red light is getting through. it's coming through
  • 00:23:01.775 --> 00:23:03.910
  • And all the other light is being absorbed. so so the red
  • 00:23:03.910 --> 00:23:06.846
  • Light goes through human flesh. and so then what happens is we
  • 00:23:06.846 --> 00:23:09.849
  • Can shine the nir ir light and that will interact with these
  • 00:23:09.849 --> 00:23:14.053
  • Even if they're deep within tissue, it's not blocked out.
  • 00:23:14.053 --> 00:23:17.991
  • And so then we can kill cancer cells in this way, or we're
  • 00:23:17.991 --> 00:23:20.960
  • Even using it in very short pulses to activate muscle. you
  • 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:24.764
  • Can get muscles to activate. you can get heart muscles to
  • 00:23:24.764 --> 00:23:27.700
  • Activate. you can get skeletal muscles to activate. so we're
  • 00:23:27.700 --> 00:23:30.670
  • Using this in biological constructs now.
  • 00:23:30.670 --> 00:23:34.207
  • >> okay. wow. you just said you built a little car that 50,000
  • 00:23:34.207 --> 00:23:39.012
  • Of them can park on a human hair, which is like 75 microns,
  • 00:23:39.012 --> 00:23:45.318
  • Right? a human hair 50 to 75 microns, actually.
  • 00:23:45.318 --> 00:23:48.154
  • >> yeah, yeah, like 50 microns. yeah.
  • 00:23:48.154 --> 00:23:49.923
  • >> okay. and so you end up building this tiny little car
  • 00:23:49.923 --> 00:23:54.260
  • That you can't see with the naked eye. explain, you know,
  • 00:23:54.260 --> 00:24:01.100
  • Simply how did you get things that are so small you can't
  • 00:24:01.100 --> 00:24:06.239
  • Touch them? yes. how did you get them to organize? you know,
  • 00:24:06.239 --> 00:24:11.211
  • At that level with a little motor and it moves around and.
  • 00:24:11.211 --> 00:24:14.848
  • Okay, how'd you do that?
  • 00:24:14.848 --> 00:24:16.182
  • >> all right. so so we don't do one at a time. we do many at a
  • 00:24:16.182 --> 00:24:20.220
  • Time just like you do chemistry. so all the pharmaceuticals you
  • 00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:23.189
  • Take, you you take those were made in laboratories. so you
  • 00:24:23.189 --> 00:24:25.692
  • Mix this chemical with this chemical and it hooks together
  • 00:24:25.692 --> 00:24:28.595
  • In this way. and then you mix this chemical. that's how we do
  • 00:24:28.595 --> 00:24:31.798
  • It.
  • 00:24:31.798 --> 00:24:32.298
  • >> so it's liquid.
  • 00:24:32.298 --> 00:24:33.900
  • >> it's in a liquid, but then we evaporate the solvent and
  • 00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:37.136
  • You have the solid, you have the solid nano cars. they are
  • 00:24:37.136 --> 00:24:40.373
  • There. or we can disperse them on onto a surface and they're
  • 00:24:40.373 --> 00:24:43.676
  • Covering the surface. you can't see them with your naked eye,
  • 00:24:43.676 --> 00:24:46.312
  • But you put them under a scanning tunneling microscope.
  • 00:24:46.312 --> 00:24:48.515
  • You can see them, and then you shine the light and you see
  • 00:24:48.515 --> 00:24:51.451
  • Them start moving along. and you can see nano collisions and
  • 00:24:51.451 --> 00:24:54.387
  • You can. yeah.
  • 00:24:54.387 --> 00:24:55.321
  • >> okay.
  • 00:24:55.321 --> 00:24:56.189
  • >> can i put this in a little perspective?
  • 00:24:56.289 --> 00:24:57.790
  • >> he just said nano car wrecks. yeah. so there has been nano
  • 00:24:57.790 --> 00:25:02.362
  • Car wrecks and you've seen that.
  • 00:25:02.362 --> 00:25:04.364
  • >> oh yes. yes.
  • 00:25:04.364 --> 00:25:05.932
  • >> okay.
  • 00:25:05.932 --> 00:25:06.332
  • >> please.
  • 00:25:06.332 --> 00:25:07.433
  • >> so incredibly innovative about what he's done is he's
  • 00:25:07.534 --> 00:25:09.235
  • Taken the parts of the nano car, the nano axle, and turned it
  • 00:25:09.235 --> 00:25:14.908
  • Into a nano auger, a little drill. so he's built his expert.
  • 00:25:14.908 --> 00:25:19.212
  • He has two expert areas of expertise. one is building
  • 00:25:19.212 --> 00:25:23.182
  • Nanomachines, but also organic chemistry, organic synthesis.
  • 00:25:23.182 --> 00:25:27.854
  • And so what jim has been able to do is to build these little
  • 00:25:27.854 --> 00:25:31.524
  • Nanomachines. he's taking the parts, taken the nanocar apart,
  • 00:25:31.524 --> 00:25:35.128
  • Created a nano auger that will drill through the the outer
  • 00:25:35.128 --> 00:25:40.099
  • Part of a malignant cancer cell. and using his expertise in
  • 00:25:40.099 --> 00:25:45.505
  • Organic chemistry, he's figured out a way to cause that system
  • 00:25:45.505 --> 00:25:49.242
  • To bind to the malignant cancer cells without binding to the
  • 00:25:49.242 --> 00:25:54.147
  • Surrounding healthy tissue. so you've got in cancer therapy,
  • 00:25:54.147 --> 00:25:57.584
  • You've got surgery, you have chemotherapy, radiation therapy,
  • 00:25:57.584 --> 00:26:02.822
  • And you have immunotherapy. this is a fifth fundamental way
  • 00:26:02.822 --> 00:26:06.826
  • Of attacking cancer with a mechanical action. and you can
  • 00:26:06.826 --> 00:26:09.829
  • Now activate these little machines in different ways. so
  • 00:26:09.829 --> 00:26:13.566
  • You have an auger or you have a jackhammer. and they can attack
  • 00:26:13.566 --> 00:26:16.703
  • Different types of cancer cells in different ways. so this
  • 00:26:16.703 --> 00:26:22.241
  • Absolutely stunning. new technology. it is combined two
  • 00:26:22.241 --> 00:26:25.645
  • Expertizes coming together.
  • 00:26:25.645 --> 00:26:26.746
  • >> and none of that happened by natural selection.
  • 00:26:26.746 --> 00:26:28.948
  • >> and random.
  • 00:26:28.948 --> 00:26:29.983
  • >> mutations.
  • 00:26:29.983 --> 00:26:31.184
  • >> all intelligently designed. took a brain. how do you get it
  • 00:26:31.284 --> 00:26:33.119
  • In the body. yeah. in a syringe. or do you drink it or how do
  • 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:37.056
  • You get the how do you get the nano cars or the nano jacks or
  • 00:26:37.056 --> 00:26:40.994
  • The nano bulldogs? nanobots.
  • 00:26:40.994 --> 00:26:43.329
  • >> you got to get it into the body. and normally what we are
  • 00:26:43.329 --> 00:26:46.599
  • Doing now is, is, is we work on, on, on rodents. i mean, we
  • 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:51.237
  • Started in a petri dish and just a dish. and then you work,
  • 00:26:51.237 --> 00:26:54.240
  • You work on on small organisms, you work on single cells, and
  • 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:58.411
  • Then you put it in the medium. and then when you go to to
  • 00:26:58.411 --> 00:27:01.514
  • Rodent studies, you can either inject it right into the tumor
  • 00:27:01.514 --> 00:27:05.385
  • Or you do an iv injection. you say, well, will we be able to
  • 00:27:05.385 --> 00:27:09.255
  • That all of that gets sorted out later by the pharmacist.
  • 00:27:09.255 --> 00:27:12.291
  • The pharmacist will find the best way to deliver it to the
  • 00:27:12.291 --> 00:27:15.628
  • Patient. if you're talking about oncology, most of the
  • 00:27:15.628 --> 00:27:17.897
  • Time they don't want it in tablet form because people have
  • 00:27:17.897 --> 00:27:20.700
  • A habit of vomiting and then they never know how much went
  • 00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:23.703
  • In if you do it iv, i know exactly how much i put in there
  • 00:27:23.703 --> 00:27:26.939
  • Because you have to control that very carefully.
  • 00:27:26.939 --> 00:27:29.142
  • >> okay. is that available now?
  • 00:27:29.142 --> 00:27:31.177
  • >> no, no.
  • 00:27:31.177 --> 00:27:32.345
  • >> no, it's not available now. yeah. i mean, these these
  • 00:27:32.345 --> 00:27:35.148
  • Things take years. they take.
  • 00:27:35.148 --> 00:27:36.949
  • >> r&d phase right now, which is a.
  • 00:27:36.949 --> 00:27:38.785
  • >> street name for this.
  • 00:27:38.785 --> 00:27:40.186
  • >> good lord.
  • 00:27:40.186 --> 00:27:41.621
  • >> so okay.
  • 00:27:41.621 --> 00:27:42.755
  • >> can i relate this to your original comment about the
  • 00:27:42.755 --> 00:27:45.024
  • Expansion of the kingdom of god, please? yes. when science began,
  • 00:27:45.024 --> 00:27:48.494
  • Science is is i a historian and a philosopher of science? you
  • 00:27:48.494 --> 00:27:52.465
  • Look at the period known as the scientific revolution. science
  • 00:27:52.465 --> 00:27:56.102
  • Got going, modern science got going as the result of people
  • 00:27:56.102 --> 00:27:59.972
  • Who were devout christians who wanted to explore nature for
  • 00:27:59.972 --> 00:28:04.677
  • The glory of god. they wanted to reveal what god had created,
  • 00:28:04.677 --> 00:28:07.447
  • What he had designed. but one of the other motivations for
  • 00:28:07.447 --> 00:28:10.383
  • Science was to relieve man's estate, was to invent things
  • 00:28:10.383 --> 00:28:16.222
  • That would relieve human suffering, that would would
  • 00:28:16.222 --> 00:28:18.691
  • Promote human flourishing. and what i love about doctor tours
  • 00:28:18.691 --> 00:28:22.295
  • Work is that he's not only through his exploration of the
  • 00:28:22.295 --> 00:28:26.599
  • Complexity of the cell, revealing the design that's
  • 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.435
  • There, but he's also using his perspective, his expertise to
  • 00:28:29.435 --> 00:28:35.208
  • Develop things, to invent things that will relieve man's
  • 00:28:35.208 --> 00:28:38.111
  • Estate and will relieve human suffering.
  • 00:28:38.111 --> 00:28:40.146
  • >> let me see if this is the simplest version of what you're
  • 00:28:40.146 --> 00:28:43.082
  • Working on.
  • 00:28:43.082 --> 00:28:43.883
  • >> okay.
  • 00:28:43.883 --> 00:28:45.118
  • >> you've created a little tiny car that will drive itself into
  • 00:28:45.218 --> 00:28:50.823
  • A cell. so you've got a petri dish sitting there, and you
  • 00:28:50.823 --> 00:28:55.027
  • Have a cancer cell sitting in that petri dish. you put your
  • 00:28:55.027 --> 00:28:59.365
  • Little car in there, you shine light. it goes to that, drills
  • 00:28:59.365 --> 00:29:03.436
  • A hole in a bad cell and kills it. you've done that. you've
  • 00:29:03.436 --> 00:29:07.640
  • Watched that happen.
  • 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:08.841
  • >> yeah. that's a very simple that's a very simple way of
  • 00:29:08.841 --> 00:29:11.878
  • Putting it.
  • 00:29:11.878 --> 00:29:12.411
  • >> yeah.
  • 00:29:12.411 --> 00:29:13.613
  • >> okay. i'm a simple person, doc, so that's as good as i can
  • 00:29:13.713 --> 00:29:15.982
  • Do, but i'm.
  • 00:29:15.982 --> 00:29:16.983
  • >> trying to make it a little more accurate.
  • 00:29:16.983 --> 00:29:19.218
  • >> okay.
  • 00:29:19.218 --> 00:29:20.353
  • >> he developed the nano cars. they were in nano car races.
  • 00:29:20.453 --> 00:29:22.889
  • There are nano.
  • 00:29:22.889 --> 00:29:24.157
  • >> we won the first nascar car race in.
  • 00:29:24.157 --> 00:29:27.860
  • >> different nanotechnology.
  • 00:29:27.860 --> 00:29:29.362
  • >> what?
  • 00:29:29.362 --> 00:29:30.196
  • >> we won the first international nano.
  • 00:29:30.296 --> 00:29:31.731
  • >> raced your nanocar against somebody else's?
  • 00:29:31.731 --> 00:29:34.333
  • >> yes. other nanotechnology.
  • 00:29:34.333 --> 00:29:36.135
  • >> research groups? yes. and everybody.
  • 00:29:36.135 --> 00:29:37.436
  • >> is sitting there with their intense microscopes that that
  • 00:29:37.436 --> 00:29:40.406
  • Aren't even in the location. the microscopes are back in
  • 00:29:40.406 --> 00:29:43.042
  • Your lab and we're all together in france, driving from the
  • 00:29:43.042 --> 00:29:47.280
  • Computer screen, driving your car through a course.
  • 00:29:47.280 --> 00:29:49.749
  • >> and you're driving it by moving the light so that, that.
  • 00:29:49.749 --> 00:29:53.486
  • >> in.
  • 00:29:53.486 --> 00:29:54.554
  • >> that particular one, they didn't allow us to use the
  • 00:29:54.654 --> 00:29:57.356
  • Motorized cars because they felt that we would, we would
  • 00:29:57.356 --> 00:30:00.193
  • Win too easily. so we could only use electric fields. so
  • 00:30:00.193 --> 00:30:03.830
  • You use an electric field grid. you couldn't touch the car, but
  • 00:30:03.830 --> 00:30:06.566
  • You applied electric fields and you had to drive it anyway. we
  • 00:30:06.566 --> 00:30:09.902
  • Finished the course in, i think it was an hour and a half, and
  • 00:30:09.902 --> 00:30:14.607
  • The team that came in next, it was like seven hours something.
  • 00:30:14.607 --> 00:30:19.312
  • >> so the cancer application comes from taking a part of the
  • 00:30:19.312 --> 00:30:22.715
  • Car, namely the axle and the wheel.
  • 00:30:22.715 --> 00:30:25.451
  • >> and the motor, the motor motor to. drill into the cell,
  • 00:30:25.451 --> 00:30:28.287
  • Turn that into we didn't need the wheels.
  • 00:30:28.287 --> 00:30:30.423
  • >> because once it's in the petri dish, there's solution
  • 00:30:30.423 --> 00:30:33.526
  • There. and these things bump up. we put on the motor things that
  • 00:30:33.526 --> 00:30:36.562
  • Like to stick to a stealth surface. so the molecules are
  • 00:30:36.562 --> 00:30:40.233
  • Molecules keep bumping into cells, and when they bump, in
  • 00:30:40.233 --> 00:30:43.836
  • This case, we made it so that they bump and stick.
  • 00:30:43.836 --> 00:30:46.772
  • >> and then.
  • 00:30:46.772 --> 00:30:47.573
  • >> these were the peptide add ons.
  • 00:30:47.573 --> 00:30:49.008
  • >> yeah.
  • 00:30:49.008 --> 00:30:49.775
  • >> right.
  • 00:30:49.775 --> 00:30:50.109
  • >> yeah.
  • 00:30:50.109 --> 00:30:51.277
  • >> that's right. and then you then you turn on the motor by
  • 00:30:51.377 --> 00:30:53.846
  • Shining a light and it drills in.
  • 00:30:53.846 --> 00:30:55.781
  • >> and you've done that in a lab and you've watched a cancer
  • 00:30:55.781 --> 00:30:59.285
  • Cell die because your car bumped into it and killed it.
  • 00:30:59.285 --> 00:31:02.622
  • >> they die very quickly.
  • 00:31:02.622 --> 00:31:04.056
  • >> every day.
  • 00:31:04.056 --> 00:31:04.991
  • >> yeah.
  • 00:31:04.991 --> 00:31:05.358
  • >> okay.
  • 00:31:05.358 --> 00:31:06.292
  • >> we want to go to the technology has so much
  • 00:31:06.392 --> 00:31:08.160
  • Potential. yeah.
  • 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:09.061
  • >> where is this? in ten years.
  • 00:31:09.061 --> 00:31:10.763
  • >> if we can get the right group behind it? i mean, my
  • 00:31:10.763 --> 00:31:14.033
  • Hope is that that we will see this first coming into the the
  • 00:31:14.033 --> 00:31:17.570
  • Treatment of super bacteria.
  • 00:31:17.570 --> 00:31:19.805
  • >> yeah.
  • 00:31:19.805 --> 00:31:21.040
  • >> bacterial infections. and then it'll move into the cancer
  • 00:31:21.040 --> 00:31:24.410
  • Domain. so generally from lab to being on the market is about
  • 00:31:24.410 --> 00:31:30.216
  • 14 years for a drug, generally 14 years. but since this is a
  • 00:31:30.216 --> 00:31:35.655
  • Whole new technique.
  • 00:31:35.655 --> 00:31:36.956
  • >> it's a new category.
  • 00:31:36.956 --> 00:31:38.124
  • >> a new category of, of mechanochemistry rather than a
  • 00:31:38.124 --> 00:31:42.395
  • Typical chemotherapy. it takes longer because there's more
  • 00:31:42.395 --> 00:31:46.465
  • Convincing of, of the fda. there's more convincing of
  • 00:31:46.465 --> 00:31:49.402
  • Things to do.
  • 00:31:49.402 --> 00:31:50.369
  • >> we demonstrate.
  • 00:31:50.369 --> 00:31:51.470
  • >> five, six, seven years into this already.
  • 00:31:51.470 --> 00:31:53.339
  • >> oh yeah.
  • 00:31:53.339 --> 00:31:54.106
  • >> yeah. we're at least that.
  • 00:31:54.106 --> 00:31:55.408
  • >> there's a huge there's a huge investment opportunity for
  • 00:31:55.408 --> 00:31:58.611
  • Biotech.
  • 00:31:58.611 --> 00:31:59.779
  • >> okay. what i remember from being in your lab is that you
  • 00:31:59.879 --> 00:32:03.316
  • Were selling nanotubes.
  • 00:32:03.316 --> 00:32:05.851
  • >> yeah. we make we make nanotubes, we make graphene. we
  • 00:32:05.851 --> 00:32:08.688
  • We're pulling rare earth elements out of magnets. i mean,
  • 00:32:08.688 --> 00:32:11.958
  • We're we started 17 companies.
  • 00:32:11.958 --> 00:32:15.061
  • >> what i, what i remember, this is what i remember. you
  • 00:32:15.061 --> 00:32:19.131
  • Said that you create nanotubes, which are so small you can't
  • 00:32:19.131 --> 00:32:25.638
  • See them.
  • 00:32:25.638 --> 00:32:26.439
  • >> no, you can't.
  • 00:32:26.439 --> 00:32:27.573
  • >> you package them and you mail them. you deliver them to
  • 00:32:27.673 --> 00:32:31.077
  • Another lab. so you're selling something in a little package
  • 00:32:31.077 --> 00:32:36.782
  • That you can't see.
  • 00:32:36.782 --> 00:32:38.584
  • >> you can you can't see the individuals, but we put enough
  • 00:32:38.584 --> 00:32:41.654
  • In there. it looks like a powder.
  • 00:32:41.654 --> 00:32:43.622
  • >> oh.
  • 00:32:43.622 --> 00:32:44.790
  • >> just like when you when, when you take a packet of sugar,
  • 00:32:44.890 --> 00:32:48.294
  • If you take one of those little things of sugar, these little
  • 00:32:48.294 --> 00:32:51.297
  • Grains of sugar, you can barely see it. you can see it. but
  • 00:32:51.297 --> 00:32:54.367
  • Yeah, but inside of that, there's 50 billion sugar
  • 00:32:54.367 --> 00:32:59.138
  • Molecules, sucrose molecules, 50 billion of them. you can't
  • 00:32:59.138 --> 00:33:02.375
  • See the. but you see that little crystal. and what i'm
  • 00:33:02.375 --> 00:33:06.045
  • Saying is you can't see the nanotube. but when i put enough
  • 00:33:06.045 --> 00:33:08.981
  • Of them together, you see a black powder.
  • 00:33:08.981 --> 00:33:12.051
  • >> okay. i haven't gone to school for i'm your announcer
  • 00:33:12.051 --> 00:33:14.387
  • Years. but what what i have been taught that the atom was
  • 00:33:14.387 --> 00:33:18.958
  • The smallest.
  • 00:33:18.958 --> 00:33:20.860
  • >> nucleus.
  • 00:33:20.860 --> 00:33:21.527
  • >> nucleus?
  • 00:33:21.527 --> 00:33:21.961
  • >> no.
  • 00:33:21.961 --> 00:33:22.828
  • >> you can get much smaller than that.
  • 00:33:22.828 --> 00:33:24.730
  • >> is the the cork.
  • 00:33:24.730 --> 00:33:25.798
  • >> cork? yeah.
  • 00:33:25.798 --> 00:33:26.532
  • >> that's one of the smallest.
  • 00:33:26.532 --> 00:33:28.034
  • >> things, one of.
  • 00:33:28.034 --> 00:33:29.035
  • >> the smallest.
  • 00:33:29.035 --> 00:33:30.202
  • >> so compared to when we say atom or nucleus of an atom to,
  • 00:33:30.302 --> 00:33:33.406
  • To a nanoparticle.
  • 00:33:33.406 --> 00:33:35.174
  • >> yeah. much smaller.
  • 00:33:35.174 --> 00:33:37.676
  • >> so the molecular weight of one of these nano cars. but i'm
  • 00:33:37.676 --> 00:33:41.647
  • Talking about, you know, this thing is a decked out nano car.
  • 00:33:41.647 --> 00:33:45.451
  • It has all the accessories. it's four independently
  • 00:33:45.451 --> 00:33:48.654
  • Rotating axles. it has the.
  • 00:33:48.654 --> 00:33:50.389
  • >> motor on the back.
  • 00:33:50.389 --> 00:33:51.690
  • >> it has the motor. what color is it. and actually there is no
  • 00:33:51.690 --> 00:33:54.593
  • Color at these patients. once you get below half a micron,
  • 00:33:54.593 --> 00:33:57.530
  • There's no such thing as color. oh yeah. yeah. i think it has a
  • 00:33:57.530 --> 00:34:01.367
  • Molecular weight of about about 700, which means it'll have
  • 00:34:01.367 --> 00:34:04.770
  • Some somewhere around 700 atoms, something like that.
  • 00:34:04.770 --> 00:34:08.274
  • >> okay.
  • 00:34:08.274 --> 00:34:09.442
  • >> 700.
  • 00:34:09.442 --> 00:34:10.109
  • >> something like 700 atoms.
  • 00:34:10.109 --> 00:34:11.577
  • >> makes up your. nano nano car. yeah. which can be moved with
  • 00:34:11.577 --> 00:34:17.316
  • Magnetism, electromagnetism. either use an.
  • 00:34:17.316 --> 00:34:19.785
  • >> electric field or you can use light.
  • 00:34:19.785 --> 00:34:22.321
  • >> what?
  • 00:34:22.321 --> 00:34:23.355
  • >> i relate to the shock on your faces. well, what.
  • 00:34:23.456 --> 00:34:25.991
  • >> i love.
  • 00:34:25.991 --> 00:34:27.159
  • >> it's crazy to think that that scientists are now able to
  • 00:34:27.259 --> 00:34:32.064
  • Manipulate matter at that scale to make something so useful,
  • 00:34:32.064 --> 00:34:38.137
  • But that those are the techniques of.
  • 00:34:38.137 --> 00:34:39.972
  • >> but with all of those techniques, we have no idea how
  • 00:34:39.972 --> 00:34:42.908
  • To make a cell.
  • 00:34:42.908 --> 00:34:43.876
  • >> yeah.
  • 00:34:43.876 --> 00:34:44.977
  • >> see, so we, we're, we're dealing with the smallest of
  • 00:34:45.077 --> 00:34:47.213
  • What? you can never see it.
  • 00:34:47.213 --> 00:34:49.682
  • >> no, but seeing.
  • 00:34:49.682 --> 00:34:51.617
  • >> is a silly thing.
  • 00:34:51.617 --> 00:34:53.352
  • >> seeing doesn't matter anymore, right? you don't have
  • 00:34:53.352 --> 00:34:55.754
  • To see it. you have these instruments that detect it.
  • 00:34:55.754 --> 00:34:58.791
  • That's all you need.
  • 00:34:58.791 --> 00:34:59.892
  • >> and may i make a larger philosophical point about.
  • 00:34:59.892 --> 00:35:02.428
  • >> that, please?
  • 00:35:02.428 --> 00:35:03.562
  • >> science is full of what philosophers of science call
  • 00:35:03.562 --> 00:35:07.099
  • Unobservables. we posit the existence of certain things
  • 00:35:07.099 --> 00:35:10.236
  • Because if they exist, we can explain things we can see. but
  • 00:35:10.236 --> 00:35:14.874
  • If that's a legitimate thing to do in physics and in chemistry,
  • 00:35:14.874 --> 00:35:18.811
  • Why is that a legitimate thing to do? when we're talking about
  • 00:35:18.811 --> 00:35:21.947
  • The existence of god, we posit the existence of god because
  • 00:35:21.947 --> 00:35:25.985
  • His existence explains things that we can see.
  • 00:35:25.985 --> 00:35:29.321
  • >> you have something called the electromagnetic spectrum.
  • 00:35:29.321 --> 00:35:32.191
  • The visible light is a tiny little sliver of the
  • 00:35:32.191 --> 00:35:35.828
  • Electromagnetic spectrum. this is where we see and that's it.
  • 00:35:35.828 --> 00:35:39.365
  • If you go a little bit this way, you get into ultraviolet region.
  • 00:35:39.365 --> 00:35:43.702
  • You don't see it. if you go a little bit this way, you get
  • 00:35:43.702 --> 00:35:47.039
  • Into the infrared region, you don't see it, and it's vast.
  • 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:50.276
  • Now we have tools that can detect all the way from radio
  • 00:35:50.276 --> 00:35:54.113
  • Waves and microwaves, all the way over here to all the way
  • 00:35:54.113 --> 00:35:57.016
  • Over here, gamma rays, which are more intense than x-rays.
  • 00:35:57.016 --> 00:36:01.620
  • But we have tools that can detect out here. but up until a
  • 00:36:01.620 --> 00:36:06.225
  • Couple of hundred years ago, we had no tools to detect that.
  • 00:36:06.225 --> 00:36:09.228
  • And so people only saw in this narrow field and they thought
  • 00:36:09.228 --> 00:36:12.831
  • That that's all there was. now we know there's huge areas that
  • 00:36:12.831 --> 00:36:17.570
  • Are part of the same spectrum that we just can't see. so to
  • 00:36:17.570 --> 00:36:20.806
  • Us, it's very normal. and there are things that we can't see.
  • 00:36:20.806 --> 00:36:24.610
  • There are things we can't sense. and there's for example,
  • 00:36:24.610 --> 00:36:27.646
  • There's dark matter, there's dark energy, even kinds of
  • 00:36:27.646 --> 00:36:31.217
  • Energy. we don't even know how to detect yet.
  • 00:36:31.217 --> 00:36:34.086
  • >> or the fundamental elementary particles of physics.
  • 00:36:34.086 --> 00:36:36.589
  • >> yeah. we don't know how to even detect them. one day we'll
  • 00:36:36.589 --> 00:36:39.858
  • Know. yeah, one day we'll know and matter. you know, this is
  • 00:36:39.858 --> 00:36:43.095
  • Matter. well there's matter we have no way of detecting. but
  • 00:36:43.095 --> 00:36:47.166
  • One day we'll be able to.
  • 00:36:47.166 --> 00:36:48.300
  • >> do that.
  • 00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:49.268
  • >> awesome. we're just not there yet.
  • 00:36:49.268 --> 00:36:51.203
  • >> it's so awesome. okay.
  • 00:36:51.203 --> 00:36:52.404
  • >> wow.
  • 00:36:52.404 --> 00:36:53.572
  • >> when we were at your lab at rice university, you took what
  • 00:36:53.672 --> 00:36:58.944
  • I thought was, well, you described it to me as carbon, i
  • 00:36:58.944 --> 00:37:03.949
  • Think. okay, so it was a very simple coal. yeah. it was a
  • 00:37:03.949 --> 00:37:07.519
  • Powder. you know, it looked like you remember the stuff we
  • 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.222
  • Used to put on our on the wheels. graphite.
  • 00:37:10.222 --> 00:37:14.360
  • >> graphite.
  • 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:15.561
  • >> yeah. so graphite looked it looked like graphite to me. you
  • 00:37:15.661 --> 00:37:19.064
  • Basically. then you put it in a machine. and the next thing i
  • 00:37:19.064 --> 00:37:23.769
  • Knew we had to wear these glasses. and then what was the
  • 00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:28.574
  • Equivalent of a lightning bolt ish kind of thing, striking
  • 00:37:28.574 --> 00:37:33.812
  • That powder, which i think was carbon. and you turned it into
  • 00:37:33.812 --> 00:37:39.218
  • Something else. what did you turn it into? and what is
  • 00:37:39.218 --> 00:37:42.488
  • Graphene and what is the practical uses?
  • 00:37:42.488 --> 00:37:44.590
  • >> we turned it into graphene. so you take this amorphous
  • 00:37:44.590 --> 00:37:47.793
  • Carbon, something like coal, and we put a high voltage
  • 00:37:47.793 --> 00:37:51.497
  • Across it and we run a high current through it. i mean, it
  • 00:37:51.497 --> 00:37:54.433
  • Could be thousands of amps. i mean, running through this
  • 00:37:54.433 --> 00:37:57.202
  • Thing. and then what happens is you put enough energy in it
  • 00:37:57.202 --> 00:38:00.472
  • That every molecular bond breaks and you just have carbon
  • 00:38:00.472 --> 00:38:05.210
  • Atoms, and then the carbon atoms reassemble as a
  • 00:38:05.210 --> 00:38:08.414
  • Thermodynamically, most stable system, which for carbon is
  • 00:38:08.414 --> 00:38:11.650
  • Graphene. and it's these sheets, these disordered sheets, and
  • 00:38:11.650 --> 00:38:15.321
  • These, the individual sheets that look like chicken wire,
  • 00:38:15.321 --> 00:38:18.223
  • Where each vertice of that, those six membered rings is a
  • 00:38:18.223 --> 00:38:21.360
  • Carbon atom. that's graphene. and so what happens is you take
  • 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.997
  • Something that costs about $60 per ton. you put this flash
  • 00:38:24.997 --> 00:38:29.768
  • Through it and its cost, its price is $60,000 a ton in a
  • 00:38:29.768 --> 00:38:36.875
  • Second, in a second, in one second, one second. yeah, in
  • 00:38:36.875 --> 00:38:39.778
  • One second. so the value of a material is not in in the value
  • 00:38:39.778 --> 00:38:45.150
  • Of the atom itself. the value of a material is in how those
  • 00:38:45.150 --> 00:38:49.388
  • Atoms fit together. they're arranged. yeah. let me give you
  • 00:38:49.388 --> 00:38:52.424
  • An example. what is the value of a human being aside from the
  • 00:38:52.424 --> 00:38:56.995
  • Spiritual? let's take apart let's just say mechanically,
  • 00:38:56.995 --> 00:38:59.732
  • What's the value of a human being? you know, a human being,
  • 00:38:59.732 --> 00:39:03.202
  • You think of robots. how much are you going to spend for one
  • 00:39:03.202 --> 00:39:06.205
  • Of these optimus robots to work in your home, $20,000 or
  • 00:39:06.205 --> 00:39:09.908
  • Something for a robot? they'll do the dishes. they'll do the
  • 00:39:09.908 --> 00:39:12.911
  • Laundry. they'll pick you up when you're old and turn you.
  • 00:39:12.911 --> 00:39:15.814
  • And things like, what's the value of this human construct?
  • 00:39:15.814 --> 00:39:19.651
  • It's certainly has many, many thousands of dollars. it's
  • 00:39:19.651 --> 00:39:22.888
  • Worth a lot. but if you were to take a person and say, cremate
  • 00:39:22.888 --> 00:39:27.259
  • Them, you have the same atoms. they're they're just different.
  • 00:39:27.259 --> 00:39:30.462
  • They're now in the form of co2. they're in the form of water.
  • 00:39:30.462 --> 00:39:33.599
  • So you combust the thing to co2. and what's the value of the
  • 00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:36.969
  • Carbon dioxide in the water? like one penny. it has very
  • 00:39:36.969 --> 00:39:40.672
  • Little value. it's the same atoms. the atoms haven't
  • 00:39:40.672 --> 00:39:43.876
  • Changed. it's just how these are arranged that gives you the
  • 00:39:43.876 --> 00:39:46.979
  • Value. this is why you take a chunk of coal. this chunk of
  • 00:39:46.979 --> 00:39:50.349
  • Coal is. it isn't even worth a penny. if you were to
  • 00:39:50.349 --> 00:39:54.620
  • Reconstruct the carbon atoms so that they were arranged as a
  • 00:39:54.620 --> 00:39:57.623
  • Diamond, you have a diamond this big. i mean, that's going
  • 00:39:57.623 --> 00:40:00.159
  • To be worth hundreds of millions of dollars. it's how
  • 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:03.929
  • The atoms are arranged that gives you the value of a
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  • Material.
  • 00:40:06.865 --> 00:40:08.000
  • >> and that's that's a lot of what we mean by information.
  • 00:40:08.100 --> 00:40:10.436
  • The specificity of arrangement is what is provided by
  • 00:40:10.436 --> 00:40:14.706
  • Information. and you go back to the foundational words gospel
  • 00:40:14.706 --> 00:40:18.544
  • Of john. in the beginning was the word or in genesis. and in
  • 00:40:18.544 --> 00:40:23.015
  • The beginning god said. so we focused in science in the late
  • 00:40:23.015 --> 00:40:27.085
  • 19th century on the science of matter, the science of energy.
  • 00:40:27.085 --> 00:40:30.923
  • But in late in early 21st century science, we realize
  • 00:40:30.923 --> 00:40:34.159
  • There's a third fundamental element that's necessary to
  • 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.396
  • Understand what's really going on, especially in life. and
  • 00:40:37.396 --> 00:40:40.966
  • That's information. and information, again, is the
  • 00:40:40.966 --> 00:40:43.135
  • Product of of a mind.
  • 00:40:43.135 --> 00:40:44.570
  • >> so when we were in your lab and you shocked this material
  • 00:40:44.570 --> 00:40:49.641
  • And it went from being nonevaluable to very valuable,
  • 00:40:49.641 --> 00:40:55.814
  • Why is it valuable? why is this new blown up and reconstructed
  • 00:40:55.814 --> 00:41:01.854
  • Version of coal valuable?
  • 00:41:01.854 --> 00:41:03.655
  • >> yeah, because you can use a little bit of it to enhance the
  • 00:41:03.655 --> 00:41:07.693
  • Properties of things enormously.
  • 00:41:07.693 --> 00:41:09.394
  • >> like what?
  • 00:41:09.394 --> 00:41:10.596
  • >> like you can increase the conductivity. so you could put
  • 00:41:10.596 --> 00:41:13.031
  • Point one weight percent into concrete, and you can use 30%
  • 00:41:13.031 --> 00:41:19.505
  • Less concrete. now concrete is, is a huge amount of human
  • 00:41:19.505 --> 00:41:24.910
  • Derived energy goes into the making of concrete, enormous
  • 00:41:24.910 --> 00:41:29.314
  • Amounts. and so if you can use one third less and be just as
  • 00:41:29.314 --> 00:41:32.784
  • Strong, it's very valuable. if you can, if you can put it into
  • 00:41:32.784 --> 00:41:37.456
  • To a rubber tire and it increases, it doubles the
  • 00:41:37.456 --> 00:41:41.527
  • Lifetime of your tire from where that has tremendous value.
  • 00:41:41.527 --> 00:41:45.831
  • And you might only have to put in $0.10 worth of material, but
  • 00:41:45.831 --> 00:41:51.570
  • It.
  • 00:41:51.570 --> 00:41:52.237
  • >> enhances the life of rubber.
  • 00:41:52.337 --> 00:41:54.106
  • >> doubling the life of a rubber tire.
  • 00:41:54.106 --> 00:41:56.074
  • >> what have you done to it when you blew up this carbon,
  • 00:41:56.074 --> 00:42:00.913
  • What made it more valuable after the.
  • 00:42:00.913 --> 00:42:03.415
  • >> okay, because it went from having very poor order in this
  • 00:42:03.415 --> 00:42:07.386
  • Piece of coal to now having a very strict ordered arrangement
  • 00:42:07.386 --> 00:42:12.791
  • Where these sheets are extremely tough, extremely
  • 00:42:12.791 --> 00:42:17.162
  • Strong sheets.
  • 00:42:17.162 --> 00:42:18.230
  • >> the molecular bond got harder, tighter, closer.
  • 00:42:18.230 --> 00:42:21.600
  • >> yes. they all they all turned into a bond order of
  • 00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:24.002
  • About 1.5. and carbon carbon bond is one of the strongest
  • 00:42:24.002 --> 00:42:27.372
  • Bonds in the universe. you multiply that by bond order of
  • 00:42:27.372 --> 00:42:30.876
  • 1.5, and it becomes an extremely strong sheet. and
  • 00:42:30.876 --> 00:42:34.780
  • Then you take these sheets and you put them into other
  • 00:42:34.780 --> 00:42:37.649
  • Materials. so you just have to be careful.
  • 00:42:37.649 --> 00:42:40.452
  • >> maybe plastic becomes the new steel is absolutely.
  • 00:42:40.452 --> 00:42:43.822
  • >> and that's what's happening. so so since february of 2020,
  • 00:42:43.822 --> 00:42:47.092
  • All ford's ford motor vehicles have had graphene in them. it's
  • 00:42:47.092 --> 00:42:50.896
  • In the underhood insulation. it's in the foam cushioned
  • 00:42:50.896 --> 00:42:54.633
  • Seats. it lightweights the vehicle. you don't need as much
  • 00:42:54.633 --> 00:42:57.769
  • Plastics. and the whole hope is that you can you can have
  • 00:42:57.769 --> 00:43:01.440
  • Plastics. replacing aluminum, which is very costly to make.
  • 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:05.043
  • Aluminum is made made through an electrolysis process. you
  • 00:43:05.043 --> 00:43:07.980
  • Build an aluminum plant next to a power plant that.
  • 00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:12.250
  • >> that's how much power.
  • 00:43:12.250 --> 00:43:13.385
  • >> that's how much power you need. and if you can start
  • 00:43:13.385 --> 00:43:16.021
  • Replacing aluminum with with plastics that have graphene, it
  • 00:43:16.021 --> 00:43:20.559
  • Lightweights the vehicle and it becomes much cheaper to make.
  • 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.462
  • And that's then the goal.
  • 00:43:23.462 --> 00:43:25.063
  • >> and stronger.
  • 00:43:25.063 --> 00:43:25.964
  • >> yes, stronger.
  • 00:43:25.964 --> 00:43:27.032
  • >> much stronger. so the molecular bond is closer,
  • 00:43:27.032 --> 00:43:30.268
  • Tighter, which is the whole point that makes something
  • 00:43:30.268 --> 00:43:33.505
  • Strong.
  • 00:43:33.505 --> 00:43:34.640
  • >> yeah, yeah. when you have a strong atom to atom bond, it
  • 00:43:34.740 --> 00:43:36.642
  • Makes the overall material stronger. and so it's a sheet
  • 00:43:36.642 --> 00:43:41.013
  • Like structure. so in other words, you take a polymer, you
  • 00:43:41.013 --> 00:43:43.582
  • Break one bond. the polymer strand breaks. if you have a
  • 00:43:43.582 --> 00:43:46.351
  • Ladder polymer, you have to break two bonds in order to
  • 00:43:46.351 --> 00:43:49.354
  • Have this a sheet like this, you'll have to break hundreds
  • 00:43:49.354 --> 00:43:52.224
  • Of bonds in order to get this break. it's similar thing with
  • 00:43:52.224 --> 00:43:54.893
  • A carbon nanotube. it's 1010 carbon nanotube. you have to
  • 00:43:54.893 --> 00:43:57.629
  • Break 20 carbon carbon bonds. and that's why these are
  • 00:43:57.629 --> 00:44:01.366
  • Presumed to be the the most the strongest polymer anyone could
  • 00:44:01.366 --> 00:44:05.437
  • Ever build is a nanotube related structure. because you
  • 00:44:05.437 --> 00:44:09.107
  • Take one of the strongest bonds in the universe, it doesn't
  • 00:44:09.107 --> 00:44:11.877
  • Matter where you are in the universe, the periodic table is
  • 00:44:11.877 --> 00:44:14.746
  • The same. so you can look at molecular bond strength. and
  • 00:44:14.746 --> 00:44:17.082
  • It's the same anywhere in the universe. and so you take one
  • 00:44:17.082 --> 00:44:19.985
  • Of the strongest bonds, and then you multiply that times
  • 00:44:19.985 --> 00:44:22.854
  • 1.5 for every one of these. and then you have 20 of these.
  • 00:44:22.854 --> 00:44:25.924
  • That's going to be a strong system.
  • 00:44:25.924 --> 00:44:27.993
  • >> when i was with you, you had not broken through scalability.
  • 00:44:27.993 --> 00:44:34.566
  • >> that's solved.
  • 00:44:34.566 --> 00:44:36.001
  • >> okay. so how much graphene can you make now? and life is
  • 00:44:36.001 --> 00:44:41.773
  • Going to change because of this, isn't it?
  • 00:44:41.773 --> 00:44:43.775
  • >> so yeah, we started this company called universal matter.
  • 00:44:43.775 --> 00:44:46.511
  • They have scaled this up to they're doing a ton a day. they
  • 00:44:46.511 --> 00:44:49.648
  • Have the capability to do a ton a day in a pilot plant. a pilot
  • 00:44:49.648 --> 00:44:53.485
  • Plant means means a baby plant. it means that, that you've
  • 00:44:53.485 --> 00:44:55.987
  • Built equipment that from that you can build even larger. but
  • 00:44:55.987 --> 00:44:59.758
  • In their pilot facility, they can do a ton a day. wow. so
  • 00:44:59.758 --> 00:45:03.662
  • When you came to my lab, we were doing 50mg a day. we were
  • 00:45:03.662 --> 00:45:07.432
  • Doing 0.005g. now we're up to a ton.
  • 00:45:07.432 --> 00:45:13.038
  • >> wow.
  • 00:45:13.038 --> 00:45:13.939
  • >> so yeah, this the scaling is solved.
  • 00:45:13.939 --> 00:45:16.308
  • >> okay.
  • 00:45:16.308 --> 00:45:17.375
  • >> well somebody pray.
  • 00:45:17.375 --> 00:45:18.810
  • >> yeah. you know, let's go back to the beginning. we made
  • 00:45:18.810 --> 00:45:22.848
  • A provocative statement that the church thinks it's the
  • 00:45:22.848 --> 00:45:26.418
  • Kingdom, but the church needs to grow in the kingdom because
  • 00:45:26.418 --> 00:45:29.321
  • The kingdom is everything. god said. the earth is the lord's,
  • 00:45:29.321 --> 00:45:32.991
  • The fullness thereof, all they that dwell therein. so we're
  • 00:45:32.991 --> 00:45:36.795
  • Looking to create great influence for the church inside
  • 00:45:36.795 --> 00:45:40.298
  • Of everything, science being one of them. it feels like this
  • 00:45:40.298 --> 00:45:45.504
  • Program testified to that, that out of rice university and
  • 00:45:45.504 --> 00:45:52.344
  • These things that you're doing, doctor tours, it feels like we
  • 00:45:52.344 --> 00:45:55.614
  • Should be working on a lecture series. it looks like, you know,
  • 00:45:55.614 --> 00:45:59.518
  • And, and by the way, if, if somebody's viewing this money
  • 00:45:59.518 --> 00:46:04.289
  • Might even be kind of the, you know, going to the next level,
  • 00:46:04.289 --> 00:46:08.560
  • If somebody's in business and wants to contact doctor tours
  • 00:46:08.560 --> 00:46:11.863
  • Have at it, you know, maybe there's a way that a grant
  • 00:46:11.863 --> 00:46:15.367
  • Comes to your lab and somebody builds one of these plants, or
  • 00:46:15.367 --> 00:46:18.270
  • If you've got a baby plant, maybe we need to go to, you
  • 00:46:18.270 --> 00:46:21.807
  • Know, a hundred tons a day or, you know, whatever, somebody
  • 00:46:21.807 --> 00:46:25.076
  • Somebody's digging on.
  • 00:46:25.076 --> 00:46:26.211
  • >> that this, this gives us big advantages because big
  • 00:46:26.211 --> 00:46:29.047
  • Advantages as a nation. i mean, the, the reason i was really
  • 00:46:29.047 --> 00:46:32.317
  • Forced into doing this on big scale is i appeared twice
  • 00:46:32.317 --> 00:46:35.554
  • Before congress, and they felt that the chinese were taking
  • 00:46:35.554 --> 00:46:38.390
  • Over on this. and they really wanted to push this thing
  • 00:46:38.390 --> 00:46:40.892
  • Forward. these are important for our country.
  • 00:46:40.892 --> 00:46:43.094
  • >> you're developing things that are going to help us solve
  • 00:46:43.094 --> 00:46:45.897
  • The rare earths shortage.
  • 00:46:45.897 --> 00:46:47.065
  • >> yeah. the rare earth. yeah, that one we've got solved.
  • 00:46:47.065 --> 00:46:49.801
  • We're scaling that up right now. but let me bring this back to
  • 00:46:49.801 --> 00:46:52.871
  • The bible. exodus 31, there's a man named bezalel. bezalel was
  • 00:46:52.871 --> 00:46:55.807
  • Was contracted by, by moses to build the tabernacle. god chose
  • 00:46:55.807 --> 00:47:01.046
  • Him. god says, i've chosen bezalel, the son of uri, the
  • 00:47:01.046 --> 00:47:04.449
  • Son of her, of the tribe of judah. he says, i know his
  • 00:47:04.449 --> 00:47:07.485
  • Father. i know his grandfather. i know his tribe. he says, i
  • 00:47:07.485 --> 00:47:10.488
  • Have given him wisdom and understanding and knowledge in
  • 00:47:10.488 --> 00:47:15.193
  • All types of craftsmanship. you had one man. he could work in
  • 00:47:15.193 --> 00:47:18.763
  • Gold, silver, bronze, stone cutting, stone setting.
  • 00:47:18.763 --> 00:47:21.933
  • >> he was a material fabric.
  • 00:47:21.933 --> 00:47:24.069
  • >> yeah.
  • 00:47:24.069 --> 00:47:24.769
  • >> he was a material science.
  • 00:47:24.769 --> 00:47:26.605
  • >> and wood. yeah. he could work in eight different
  • 00:47:26.605 --> 00:47:30.242
  • Materials. that's the man that god chose. so i pray, i say,
  • 00:47:30.242 --> 00:47:33.245
  • Lord, make me like bezalel. make my students like bezalel.
  • 00:47:33.245 --> 00:47:37.082
  • You want to to have the church influencing science. what we
  • 00:47:37.082 --> 00:47:41.753
  • Need to do is we must do what paul instructed us to do. in
  • 00:47:41.753 --> 00:47:46.825
  • Romans chapter 12, he said, be faithful in prayer. be faithful
  • 00:47:46.825 --> 00:47:50.595
  • In prayer. i say, lord, make us like bezalel. let us work
  • 00:47:50.595 --> 00:47:53.965
  • Across all these different materials and have the ability
  • 00:47:53.965 --> 00:47:57.168
  • To teach it and go figure. god answers prayer.
  • 00:47:57.168 --> 00:48:01.506
  • >> amen.
  • 00:48:01.506 --> 00:48:04.109
  • >> 850 plus papers published. 150 patents. come out of what
  • 00:48:04.109 --> 00:48:11.049
  • You're doing. and if i had a young person that wanted to
  • 00:48:11.049 --> 00:48:16.621
  • Know about science, i'd be looking up rice university and
  • 00:48:16.621 --> 00:48:19.891
  • And listen, we need to do a thing together. we need some of
  • 00:48:19.891 --> 00:48:23.862
  • This data. we need to get the world knowing this, we need to
  • 00:48:23.862 --> 00:48:27.198
  • Get a lot of the word out. the kingdom of god is advancing in
  • 00:48:27.198 --> 00:48:30.435
  • The series of science because of you guys. and that that
  • 00:48:30.435 --> 00:48:34.306
  • Gives me great hope. and when people start talking about what
  • 00:48:34.306 --> 00:48:39.678
  • Really does matter, those philosophical questions that
  • 00:48:39.678 --> 00:48:42.547
  • We've, you know, that brought you to the lord, steven, you
  • 00:48:42.547 --> 00:48:46.184
  • Know, i got an impression not long ago that the lord saw. all
  • 00:48:46.184 --> 00:48:51.756
  • I can do is tell you the way i have to believe. just like when
  • 00:48:51.756 --> 00:48:55.560
  • You had your encounter, you had to believe a certain way. it
  • 00:48:55.560 --> 00:48:58.229
  • Doesn't matter what science said. and the lord seemed to
  • 00:48:58.229 --> 00:49:01.032
  • Ask me to take on this perspective, that i need to be
  • 00:49:01.032 --> 00:49:05.270
  • Thinking generationally, that that what we're building now,
  • 00:49:05.270 --> 00:49:09.541
  • Which could be a course with you guys and companies and all
  • 00:49:09.541 --> 00:49:13.311
  • Sorts of stuff, are going to last for generations. okay,
  • 00:49:13.311 --> 00:49:17.115
  • That that's the way i have to think because that's what the
  • 00:49:17.115 --> 00:49:19.751
  • Lord asked me to do. nobody else has to think that way.
  • 00:49:19.751 --> 00:49:22.754
  • Everyone else can think the end is near and where the billboard
  • 00:49:22.754 --> 00:49:25.824
  • Out in new york city and, and it just right. the end is near
  • 00:49:25.824 --> 00:49:29.594
  • On on a costume and wear it. i don't care how people think,
  • 00:49:29.594 --> 00:49:32.697
  • But i can't do that. i have to think. so when i hear that
  • 00:49:32.697 --> 00:49:36.468
  • You're breaking through in areas of science are going to
  • 00:49:36.468 --> 00:49:39.170
  • Create materials that could change the world. think of the
  • 00:49:39.170 --> 00:49:43.408
  • Aerospace, think of, think of lightweight airplanes that, you
  • 00:49:43.408 --> 00:49:48.079
  • Know, are, are powered differently because of the
  • 00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:50.648
  • Weight and the and all of that kind of stuff.
  • 00:49:50.648 --> 00:49:53.585
  • >> think of the defense implications of doctor tours,
  • 00:49:53.585 --> 00:49:56.788
  • Solving through his innovative technologies, the problem of
  • 00:49:56.788 --> 00:50:01.359
  • The shortage we have of rare earth materials for which we've
  • 00:50:01.359 --> 00:50:04.996
  • Been almost entirely dependent on on china.
  • 00:50:04.996 --> 00:50:07.499
  • >> wow. wow.
  • 00:50:07.499 --> 00:50:09.000
  • >> well, think of eradicating diseases and bacteria
  • 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:13.271
  • Applications, the cancer application, all this kind of
  • 00:50:13.271 --> 00:50:15.106
  • Stuff. it's it's as if jesus gave us the biggest clue he
  • 00:50:15.106 --> 00:50:21.012
  • Could ever give. pray this way, thy kingdom come, thy will be
  • 00:50:21.012 --> 00:50:26.017
  • Done on earth as it is in heaven. god's got all this
  • 00:50:26.017 --> 00:50:29.487
  • Stuff figured out in heaven, and some of it's coming to
  • 00:50:29.487 --> 00:50:32.490
  • Earth, and some of it's coming through your lab. and for that,
  • 00:50:32.490 --> 00:50:35.660
  • We're grateful.
  • 00:50:35.660 --> 00:50:36.728
  • >> yeah.
  • 00:50:36.728 --> 00:50:37.796
  • >> final thought.
  • 00:50:37.796 --> 00:50:39.030
  • >> i think for many, many years, christians were afraid to go
  • 00:50:39.030 --> 00:50:42.133
  • Into the sciences because they were afraid of that ideological
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  • Opposition and friction that they would encounter. i think
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  • Doctor tours is an inspiration because he shows that's
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  • Entirely unnecessary. and and we have many other scientists
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  • Like him, maybe no one just like him, but other scientists
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  • Who are a great model role models for young people. and,
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  • And so we're very interested in investing in that next
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  • Generation. and we have training programs that that do
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  • Just that. discovery.org.
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  • >> final thought is yours, doctor tours.
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  • >> oh, i love the lord. and, and if we would take the word
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  • Of god and really believe it, be faithful in prayer, ask god
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  • To teach you. i say, lord, open my eyes to see your word says,
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  • The darkness and the light are the same to you. i say, lord,
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  • We don't see it, but show me, because the darkness and the
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  • Light is the same, the same to you. show us that we may reveal
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  • This to the world. and can you let me mention one thing,
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  • Please? if any of your listeners do not believe in the
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  • Physical resurrection of jesus christ, i will engage with them
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  • One on one. now, this is not for believers who just want to
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  • See how to do it. i have i've youtube videos on that. if your
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  • Listener does not believe in the physical resurrection of
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  • Jesus christ, i will meet with them for one hour and they will
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  • Come out believing in the physical resurrection of jesus
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  • Christ. i am so confident in the truth of the resurrection
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  • And the historicity and the evidence for the resurrection
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  • Of jesus christ. let me present that to you. if they do not
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  • Believe and we'll get them believing.
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  • >> let's do that as a special sometime.
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  • >> let's do it.
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  • >> wow! thank you lord, thy kingdom come, thy will be done,
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  • On earth as it is in heaven. we'll see you next time. thank
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  • You very much.
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  • >> thank you. bye bye.
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