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Praise | Dr Stephen Meyer & Dr. James Tour: The Story of Everything | Praise | April 6, 2026

- [narrator] tonight on "praise,"
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Matt and laurie crouch welcome renowned philosopher
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And historian dr. stephen meyer
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Alongside world-class chemist
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And nanotechnologist dr. james tour.
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Together, they explore their groundbreaking new film,
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"the story of everything."
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- "the story of everything" is a cinematic experience
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That tells the story
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Of nothing less than the scientific rediscovery
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Of the evidence that points to the existence of god.
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- [narrator] get an exclusive first look
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And step into the compelling science
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That's challenging assumptions
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And pointing to an intelligent designer behind the universe.
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- your own data is crying out, "this doesn't work."
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- wow.
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- and this is why i say, "it's your own data."
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And they're afraid because they know it cries out,
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"our stories are all wrong on this."
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(uplifting music)
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- [narrator] hear the powerful personal journeys
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Of two brilliant minds
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As they share how their pursuit of truth
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Led them to the reality of god.
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- for me, there was a conversion
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That took place intellectually
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Because of the way in which
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The bible addressed very fundamental questions.
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- i got down on my knees, i said, "lord, forgive me,"
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And this burden of sin just started to lift.
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And then just off to my right,
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Jesus is standing three feet away from me.
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I dropped my face to the ground, just weeping.
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It was amazing love pouring over me.
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- [narrator] and see how
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Today's most cutting-edge discoveries
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Are bringing science and faith closer together
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Than ever before.
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(inspiring music)
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(gentle music)
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- we have an amazing program set for you.
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What a great title, "the story of everything.
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With us, dr. james tour, dr. stephen meyer.
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But unfortunately,
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I'm gonna have to help you with your science, okay?
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Now, the new movie's coming out, "story of everything."
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But laurie pointed out just a minute ago that,
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You know what, actually,
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This is the story of everything, okay?
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This holy bible.
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Do you agree with that, doctors?
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- yes, yes.
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- story of everything. - yes, we do.
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- here we go, there's the story of everything.
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But we're going to take bits and parts of that,
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And we're putting the story of everything
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Out to our audience.
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Stephen, start us with a kind of an opening salvo.
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Okay?
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What do you want people to understand
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Watching this program?
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Okay?
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And what do we want them to get out of it?
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We want them to know about the movie and all that.
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But if you can give us this introductory piece
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In a way that we can understand it,
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Because, you know, don't make our audience
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Have their eyes gloss over in the first,
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You know, five minutes.
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Dr. tour, you gotta help us.
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Make sure that we talk english, okay?
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So let's just do that.
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Will you help me?
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Okay here we go.
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Start us off, stephen.
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- well, "the story of everything is a cinematic experience
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That allows people to see the,
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That tells the story of nothing less
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Than the scientific rediscovery
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Of the evidence that points to the existence of god.
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I wrote a book several years ago
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Called "return of the god hypothesis."
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Some film producers approached me and said,
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"we would like to turn this into a film."
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And the film tells the story
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Of three big discoveries that point decisively...
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- to god, one is the discovery
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That the universe had a beginning.
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The second is the discovery that the universe has been,
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As the physicists say, finely tuned for life
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From the very beginning of the universe.
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And the third is the discovery of the interior workings
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Of the living cell.
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The discovery that inside the living cell,
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Which during darwin's time, scientists thought was simple,
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A simple, homogenous glob of undifferentiated protoplasm
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Was one quote of darwin's scientific contemporaries.
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We now know that inside the living cell,
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We have an exquisite realm of digital nanotechnology,
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Digital code that directs the construction
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Of nano machines, tiny little machines
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Inside cells that keep us alive.
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And so, those three discoveries together
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Provide decisive evidence for intelligent design,
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But even for a transcendent mind as the designer,
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In other words, pointing not to a space alien,
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But instead to god himself.
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And so the story is essentially the story
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Of everything in the sense of from the beginning
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Of the universe to the creation of life.
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And there's two great competing stories in our culture.
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One is that everything is arisen by unguided,
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Undirected, natural processes.
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And the other is that there has been a guiding hand,
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A mind behind it all.
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And the film tells the story of the evidence
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That points to the second story
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That things are in fact the product
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Of a designing intelligence,
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A transcendent mind behind it all.
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(energetic music)
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- [narrator 1] today, i'm going to tell you a story
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Which may seem very strange to you.
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- how in the world did this start?
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- has the universe always been here or is it finite?
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- we want to take our metaphysical hypothesis
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And see what they point to.
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- here is evidence for what can only be described
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As a super natural event.
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(graphic blips)
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- turned out to be the tip of the iceberg.
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- [narrator 2] without guidance,
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We would get a life-unfriendly universe.
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- we are dealing with a system of manifold complex design.
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- we associate information
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With a rational intelligence behind it.
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- [narrator 3] the universe, it bears everywhere,
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Fingerprints of its creator.
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- [narrator 4] the concept of life as a cosmic phenomenon
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Should have many consequences.
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(energetic music)
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The question then was, what does one do about it?
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(graphic blips)
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- dr. tour, i want you to comment on that,
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Kind of give us an opening thing.
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But doesn't this just kind of settle it by saying,
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In the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth.
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So i mean, at some point, that's the beginning
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Of what we all believe.
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Your thoughts on the opening,
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Kind of what we want our audience to
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Understand about this.
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- the bible certainly tells us that god created it all.
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He made all of this in six days,
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He created the heavens and the earth.
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But what he did is, he left a lot of the details out
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So that we can search it out. - mm.
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- and so much is there that he's given us to search out,
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And that's what this is all about.
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And the thing is, why should people care about this?
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Some people say, "you know, i'm not into science.
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This doesn't affect me." but actually it does.
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If it doesn't affect you directly,
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It affects somebody you love. - mm.
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- your children, your grandchildren are gonna be going
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To universities, going even in high schools,
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And then colleges where they will be taught things
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That will draw them away
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From faith in jesus christ. - mm.
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- so everybody has to care about this
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Because this is one of the main ways
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That the enemy is using to draw people away,
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To think that there is no god behind this,
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To think that all of this could have come about
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By random mutation and natural selection,
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That all of this could have come about
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That if you just get molecules in a primordial soup,
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That life comes out.
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This is not true.
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And what happens is, a lot of young people are drawn astray
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And many of them never come back.
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So this is why people need to care about this.
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- and by the way, the film comes out april 30th -
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- april 30th, yeah.
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- 2026, so just in a short period of time.
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Information's on the screen how you can get tickets
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And all that kind of thing.
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And we want you to take people to go see it.
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And thank you for being here.
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The last time dr. tour, we were at rice university with you,
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And you, you know, kind of in front of our eyes,
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Created a substance called graphene.
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And your lab has produced, you know,
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More than 150 patents and life is changing and all of that.
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That was the last time we were together.
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And steven, help our audience kind of, let's get into
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"the story of everything." - yeah, yeah.
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- you bet. - okay.
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- eddie is sitting there and goes,
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"hey, isn't that the guy
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That was on 'the joe rogan podcast?'"
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And you know, i mean, there's some things
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That have kind of happened lately
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That have elevated some of this
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To a level that i don't remember when i was young.
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- sure, sure. - let's say,
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I don't remember having this,
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And you know, dr. tour and stephen,
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Both of you, i want you to kind of start with the idea
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That what we learned in textbooks
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When we were growing up as children is literally dead.
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There's no way the creation of evolution
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And that story and the darwin and all that,
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That is now dead, sciences and back.
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In fact, in the back, dr. tour, you were telling me,
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Even your colleagues that don't believe in god see it,
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They just won't interface with you
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Because they can't be wrong.
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They, you know, 100 years of science cannot be wrong.
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And so they're just not willing to go there.
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Start with what part of "the story of everything"
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That you want to start with,
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But those are some of the examples
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That are just so amazing. - yeah, let's set the backdrop
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To all this, if you think just 20 years ago,
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You think about the popularity of the group
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That were called the new atheists,
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Richard dawkins, lawrence kraus, sam harris,
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Dawkins' famous book was "the god delusion,"
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They plastered on london buses.
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The message, "god probably does not exist.
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So relax and enjoy your life."
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- [guest] wow.
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- and this was the so-called new atheism
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Was supposedly based on the most current science,
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But in fact, what they were doing was reprising
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The science from the late 19th century.
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Darwin, who told us where we came from,
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Marx, who had a materialist vision of the future.
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Freud, who told us what to do about the human condition
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And human guilt,
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That these great 19th century scientific materialists
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Were answering all the questions
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That traditional judeo-christian religion was answering.
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And as we came into the 20th century,
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There was kind of a default view among a lot of scientists
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That if you're going to be a good scientist,
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You should be a materialist or an atheist.
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You shouldn't believe that there is any
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Kind of creative intelligence behind the universe.
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And what the story of everything tells
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Is the story we never hear.
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That throughout 20th century science
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And right up into the 21st century science,
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There have been a series of discoveries
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That have been challenging that late 19th century view
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That was merely re popularized
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In the early part of this century by the new atheist.
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The new atheism was really the old fashioned village atheism
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Of the late 19th century.
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But the science that has defined the 20th century,
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The discovery that the universe is expanding outward
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From a creation event,
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The discovery that all the basic physical parameters
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Of the universe are finely tuned
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Within very narrow tolerances
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Outside of which life would be impossible.
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And then when you get into the realm of biology,
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It's even more mind blowing.
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And this is the realm where jim is featured in the film
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And where his work is so relevant.
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But you go to the inner workings of the cell
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And you've got not only digital codes
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Stored in the dna molecule,
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But a complex information processing system.
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In fact, two different information processing systems
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That are where the information is processed
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By these exquisite nano machines.
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And no one can look at that,
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Who has any awareness of how engineering works
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And not immediately see the hallmarks of design systems.
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So this is a completely new day in science.
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And the new atheists did not at all capture that new day.
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They kind of hearkened us back to darwin
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In the late 19th century.
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And essentially obscured the developments
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In modern science that are pointing in a direction
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That they didn't want to acknowledge
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That is in a god friendly direction.
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So what this film does is bring the audience up to speed,
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Up to date on what's really going on in science,
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And pointing them first to the evidence
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And the stories of discovery,
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And also the stories of many of the scientists
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Who have changed their minds,
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Who started out as materialists,
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Who started out as atheists and changed their minds.
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That's what we want people to see
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Is what's really going on in science
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And what it really means.
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- wow. - dr. tour,
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Let's actually dig into one of these issues.
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Take your pick.
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- okay so for example, the origin of life.
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Where does life come from?
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This is a fundamental thought.
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Where does life all come from?
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And so the idea that is put forth
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And is taught in elementary schools
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And taught, not just in universities,
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But in advanced level classes
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Of university graduate schools is that
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There's a primordial soup.
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There's some molecules in some pond somewhere,
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And there's lightning flashes and they hit that.
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And these molecules start forming
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This amazing array of complex molecules which come together.
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And that is the genesis of the first life.
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And those then proceed to go into multicellular organisms
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And those become the sea creatures,
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Which then come on land and become the.
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- land and the bird creatures, but this is not true at all.
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There is no model for this.
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And it turns out that that model,
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That primordial soup model,
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Actually hearkens back to the babylonians.
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- wow.
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- out of that same pond also came their gods.
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So life came out of that pond and their gods,
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And that is still what is taught.
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And so when we begin to look at that and to question it,
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Everything begins to break down.
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We don't know how to make the classes of molecules
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That are needed.
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And then once you have all of those classes of molecules,
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Those polymers, there's no inherent information in that.
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It's very much like having a box of letters,
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Just a big box of letters.
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That's not a book.
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But even if we take it a step further,
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We'll give you these small molecules,
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We give you the polymeric strings,
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And we'll give you the code
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So that you have these in a particular order.
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In other words, we give you the dna in order.
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If you had all of these,
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Could you just put these together in a cell?
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Not in a primordial soup pond,
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But even in a modern laboratory,
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Could you put these together?
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And the resounding answer is no.
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You can't put these,
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Even if you had these, even in a current laboratory,
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You couldn't put these together
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Because all of these constructs we can get
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From a living cell.
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We can take a living cell,
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We can deconstruct it and get all of these parts.
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See, now just put it back together.
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Nobody knows how to do it because-
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- it's a humpty dumpty problem.
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- [matt] oh.
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- the complexity is so great that we can't even start life.
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So the most basic fundamental question,
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We have no idea where life came from.
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- there's a wonderful sequence in the film, matt,
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Where jim says,
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"it's time for origin of life scientists
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To start addressing more fundamental questions,
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Like where does the code come from?"
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And then john lennox from oxford university chimes in
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And says, "in our experience,
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Information is always associated
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With a rational intelligence."
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And if you think about that, that's right.
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Whenever we see information
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And we trace it back to its source,
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It always comes from a mind, not an undirected process.
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So the discovery
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That there's information at the foundation of life
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In these large information-bearing
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Biomacromolecules,
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Like dna and rna and proteins,
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Is a powerful indicator
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That there was in fact a designing mind,
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A master programmer behind life.
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And that's one of the big three stories we tell
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In "the story of everything."
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(haunting music)
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- whenever we see what we call fine-tuning,
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We always trace that type of a system back to a mind.
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Whether we're talking about a finely-tuned french recipe
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Or a finely-tuned internal combustion engine
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Or a finely-tuned radio dial.
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- the ability to look at a set of possibilities
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And to choose an outcome is almost,
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By definition, intentional.
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It's something that a mind does, that,
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Just sort of mindless matter doesn't do.
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(haunting music)
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- is it as simple as making this declarative statement,
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"the theory of evolution is dead."
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- well, so we were just talking about the origin of life.
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It is, once you have that first life,
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Then evolution takes over.
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How does this one cell become the diversity
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Of what we see today?
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And that is this tree of life
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That they talk about in an evolutionary process.
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Evolution is having real problems in and of itself.
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The origin of life is a huge unknown.
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And this evolutionary process is
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That we still don't see any cases
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Where we get new organ formation,
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Where we get new body plan changes
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That are beneficial to an organism.
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So, what you can say is,
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"we don't know where life came from.
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We have no idea how to assemble it.
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And if we had that one cell, it's all bets are off on
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How that one cell has become now the origin of all,
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The progenitor of all the life that we have."
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- and the thing that you hear over and over again,
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Even among evolutionary biologists is
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That the mutation, natural selection mechanism,
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Explains the survival but not the arrival of the effects.
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- [matt] right.
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- it explains small scale variation very nicely,
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But large scale morphological innovation,
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Innovation in form, that what jim's talking about,
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New organs, new body plans,
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There's no evidence that the mechanism has
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That kind of creative power.
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And increasingly,
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Even evolutionary biologists are recognizing that.
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- april 30th. - [stephen] yes, sir.
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- "the story of everything," in theaters,
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All the information's on the screen.
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And both of you are participants.
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"the story of everything" is a movie
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That is explaining some of the things.
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Take another subject out of "the story of everything"
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And throw a little bit here for our audience that's here.
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- yeah, sure.
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"the story of everything" tells three big stories.
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- okay.
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- and the three big stories end up cumulatively
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Telling an overarching story,
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Which is the scientific rediscovery of god.
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- but the first big story is the story
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Of the discovery that the universe
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In fact had a beginning, as best we can tell.
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For centuries, scientists,
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Often influenced by the writings of aristotle,
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Sometimes influenced by their own atheistic assumptions,
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Just assumed that the universe was eternal
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And self-existent.
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It had always been here,
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So we didn't need to think about how it was created.
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And what was discovered first in the 1920s and '30s,
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And then reinforced by discoveries in the 1960s,
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And then reinforced by further discoveries in the 1990s,
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And right up to the present,
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Is that, as best we can tell,
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The universe had a beginning.
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And the first big inkling of that came in the 1920s
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When out in southern california,
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Astronomers had access to these new great dome telescopes.
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And they began to look at the light
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Coming from distant galaxies.
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And that they found that the light
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Coming from distant galaxies
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Looked as if it were being stretched out,
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As if the galaxies were moving away from us.
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And as they looked in every quadrant of the night sky,
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They found the same thing.
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And this was the first empirical indicator
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That we actually are living in an expanding universe.
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- wow. - and that,
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All the evidence, since then till now,
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Has shown the same thing:
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The universe continues to expand
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Outward in the forward direction of time.
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Now, if you, in your mind's eye, back that up and think,
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"well, what would the universe have been like
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100 years ago?"
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Or 1,000 years ago.
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Or a million years ago, or a billion years ago,
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However old you think the universe is,
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You're going to eventually get to a place
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Where all that galactic material,
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Which now is expanding away from us and away from itself,
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Would've been in the same place.
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It would've congealed to a starting point of the expansion,
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And arguably, a beginning point of the universe itself.
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And that raises a huge question,
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If matter, space, time, and energy
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All began a finite time ago,
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Then whatever caused the universe to exist
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Could not have been matter.
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- we now know the universe began to exist finitely long ago,
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But whatever begins to exist
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Is caused to exist by something else.
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- [stephen] now, because we're talking
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About the origin of the universe itself,
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By which we mean the origin of matter,
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Energy, space, and time,
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Any entity capable of causing the universe
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To come into existence must be external to
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Or separate from the universe itself.
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It must exist independently of matter
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And transcend space and time.
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- when there is no matter, actually, there is no time.
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So before that, when people say,
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"well, what was before that?"
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You just got god.
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I mean, that's it.
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And so this is what science is pointing toward.
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It's very much like what the bible tells us,
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That in the beginning,
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God created the heavens and the earth.
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There was an act, there was an event.
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And so what's happening is science is showing
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Exactly what the bible has been claiming all along.
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Prior to this, it was a steady state approximation.
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Everything has always been here,
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And this is what the universe has always been.
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But no, it had an origin.
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We know that from our own scriptures.
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And that's what all of science is pointing toward.
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There was an origin event.
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- and this gets back to the earlier question
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About why this is important,
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Because students have the sense that,
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Often because of proselytizing atheistic science professors,
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That the facts are on the side of the atheist,
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Agnostic, materialist worldview.
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You have your faith, but the facts are opposed to the faith.
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But in fact, what we're seeing is that the facts,
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The evidence is pointing
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In a direction that affirms the faith.
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And that's, i think, very reassuring.
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And even to christian students,
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But it's also something to think about for any anyone.
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What are the facts telling us?
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And one of the stories we tell in the film
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Is a story of a great cosmologist named allan sandage,
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Who was an agnostic jew,
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Who was one of edwin hubble's phd students.
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And he was involved in verifying
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The spherical of the expansion of the universe
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In all the different quadrants of the night sky.
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I heard him speak here in dallas
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Early in my career at a conference
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Where he shocked everyone
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By ascending to the podium
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And sitting with the panel of theists
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Who were having a debate with a panel
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Of atheist astronomers and cosmologists.
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Everyone assumed that sandage was going to sit
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With the atheist and materialists.
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He proceeded to give a talk about the evidence
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For the beginning of the universe.
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And then, i remember this, i was 27 years old,
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And he looked into the camera and said.
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- here is evidence for what can only be described
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As a supernatural event.
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There is no way this could have been predicted
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Or explained within the framework of physics as we know it.
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He was talking about the beginning of the universe.
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- my goodness. - and how shocking that was.
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He went on to explain how he had become a christian.
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First atheist, and then later a christian,
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Not in spite of the evidence, but because of the evidence.
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And part of what led him to that belief was the recognition
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That not only was the evidence pointing to a beginning,
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To a creation event, but there was something inside him
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That didn't want to believe it.
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And he wondered why.
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"i pride myself on my scientific objectivity.
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Why am i resisting this?"
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And then he realized he had to kinda do
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Some business internally.
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But we found the footage of that conference-
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- oh my goodness. - of sandage
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Making that statement, which was one of the things
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That awakened me to this whole subject.
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- wow. - and caused me
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To take a different path.
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I had been a oil company geophysicist,
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And a year after i had attended this conference,
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I was off to cambridge to study these big origins questions.
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And sandage's public announcement of his own conversion
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Based on the scientific evidence was one of the things
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That really rocked my world.
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And we get to tell that story
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Among others in "the story of everything."
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- okay. - all i remember
00:24:42.637 --> 00:24:44.339
Is sitting with dr. tour and him saying,
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'cause these are the smartest men i've ever met in my life
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And i should not be sitting on this set.
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But dr. tour, with all of his knowledge, he said,
00:24:51.413 --> 00:24:55.183
"the more we know as scientists,
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The more we know we don't know."
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- yeah.
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Yeah, the more we learn about a cell,
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The more we learn about physics,
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The more we learn about the cosmos,
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What happens is we see that there's so much we don't know.
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We may have a discovery,
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But then we realize how much deeper this target is.
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And so it moves much further away.
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So, the target's moving away from us
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Much faster than we are approaching it.
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That's what what we're seeing in science.
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And i mean, god is so amazing
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How he opens this whole thing up.
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- yeah. - okay.
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So, we've established,
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You guys can argue these points,
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You can discuss these points.
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"the story of everything" in theaters april 30th.
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But our audience is gonna love to hear,
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Let me just ask you a couple quick things.
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Was school easy for you?
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- i'm gonna disappoint you.
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I mean, my mind wasn't very much on school at that time.
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- (laughs) okay. i understand that.
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Okay. was school easy for you? - i like that answer.
00:26:01.683 --> 00:26:04.119
- in 5th or 6th grade was like, were you like,
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Just kinda looking over like this and filling out your work?
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Was it easy? did you retain it?
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Was it easy for you?
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- i was also a bit distracted and i was a late bloomer.
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- okay. - so, yeah.
00:26:18.199 --> 00:26:19.200
- i was a late bloomer too.
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You'll find that many of the most creative people
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Were late bloomers.
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- okay. - huh.
00:26:26.508 --> 00:26:27.776
- so, where were you raised, dr. tour?
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- new york city area.
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- okay. - new york city.
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- where are you raised?
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- seattle. - seattle. all right.
00:26:32.580 --> 00:26:34.115
So, normal home mom and dad kinda thing for both of you?
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- i come from a jewish home, but normal home mom and dad.
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And we never talked about god. secular.
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- complete secular upbringing?
00:26:45.694 --> 00:26:46.861
- complete secular. - okay.
00:26:46.861 --> 00:26:48.763
And what was your upbringing?
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- i was raised by good parents. nominal catholic background.
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We kinda stopped going to church
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About when i was 13 or 14.
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- okay. - and...
00:27:00.375 --> 00:27:01.509
- so, you were both late bloomers
00:27:01.509 --> 00:27:02.777
Raised in these kind of non-christian homes.
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At some point you got serious about your studies
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And doctoral level understanding
00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:16.224
Is something you work hard for.
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And so at some point you stop,
00:27:17.659 --> 00:27:20.462
You got your mind on your studies and off girls,
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I guess. - finally (chuckles)
00:27:22.731 --> 00:27:23.898
- and- - you know, sports.
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- okay. (everyone laughing)
00:27:25.533 --> 00:27:27.068
Sports and girls.
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And you started taking this seriously. okay.
00:27:29.037 --> 00:27:32.173
What was the first time you felt
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Like you were getting a nudge towards,
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I need to know something more about eternal things.
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What was your first pathway
00:27:42.550 --> 00:27:44.152
Into understanding who christ is?
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- well, my coming to the lord
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Had nothing to do with science.
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It was all in the heart. it was all spiritual.
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A young man presented to me the gospel.
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I was deeply convicted of my sin.
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And a few months later, i gave my life to the lord.
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I had this experience in my room.
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All alone, presence of jesus.
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And it changed my life.
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And i loved him from that point on.
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And i started consuming the bible
00:28:13.248 --> 00:28:16.317
And learning about these things
00:28:16.317 --> 00:28:18.186
And going to bible studies while i was studying chemistry.
00:28:18.186 --> 00:28:22.891
And all through my undergraduate career and graduate career,
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I was very active in sharing the lord.
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So, for me.
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- i accepted what god had.
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And when i'd hear things in science classes,
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It didn't disrupt me at all,
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Because i knew fundamentally who god was.
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But it was interesting, it was about,
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I don't know eight years, nine years ago
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When i first met steve,
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And it was david berlinski,
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And they had me to a conference,
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And i heard somebody presenting on carbohydrates
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And the massive complexity.
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Now, i know carbohydrates very well, i'm an organic chemist.
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But he was talking about these numbers
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And this, the...
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You can store more information actually in the carbohydrate
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Than you can in dna.
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But, an so i went outside, and david said, i said,
00:29:04.766 --> 00:29:09.137
"david, this is,
00:29:09.137 --> 00:29:10.572
"how could this thing have come about like this?"
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He says, "why don't you write an article on this?"
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So i started investigating evolution,
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But i wanted to track it back, track it.
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And then there was this whole area called abiogenesis
00:29:18.847 --> 00:29:21.316
That i had never studied.
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Most scientists take all this for granted.
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- [stephen] right, right.
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- most scientists, they don't wake up in the morning
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And say, "i'm gonna come against the bible today.
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"i'm gonna..."
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No, they just...
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You figure somebody knows how life arose--
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- it's the other story of everything that we're all taught
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Without really investigating. - somebody understands it.
00:29:38.499 --> 00:29:41.436
So i started, i asked my colleagues, "how did life start?
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"where..."
00:29:45.874 --> 00:29:47.141
And they'd shared with me a paper or two,
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But nobody had an answer.
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And i read the papers, i thought, this is nonsense.
00:29:49.978 --> 00:29:52.547
This is nonsense.
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I mean, i really know the chemistry.
00:29:53.681 --> 00:29:55.116
I went back to the experimental section of the paper,
00:29:55.116 --> 00:29:57.619
Which is published separately from the paper.
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And most people don't even dig that stuff up.
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And i started reading that
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And i said, "these experiments are crying out
00:30:05.460 --> 00:30:08.997
"that this doesn't work."
00:30:08.997 --> 00:30:10.565
It's the data itself that cries out, "this doesn't work."
00:30:10.565 --> 00:30:13.968
And then i started looking at one after another.
00:30:13.968 --> 00:30:15.970
I said, "this is a house of cards.
00:30:15.970 --> 00:30:18.306
"we have no idea where life came from."
00:30:18.306 --> 00:30:20.375
And so that's when the two came together for me,
00:30:20.375 --> 00:30:25.313
Where i had the god component, i loved it.
00:30:25.313 --> 00:30:27.982
And now i thought,
00:30:27.982 --> 00:30:29.550
We don't even know where life came from scientifically,
00:30:29.550 --> 00:30:32.253
And all of this is a bunch of nonsense.
00:30:32.253 --> 00:30:34.389
And so you would think that somebody would come and say,
00:30:34.389 --> 00:30:39.060
"oh, jim, you just don't understand.
00:30:39.060 --> 00:30:40.328
"let me explain it to you."
00:30:40.328 --> 00:30:42.096
No, nobody can explain it to me.
00:30:42.096 --> 00:30:44.032
Every time i present this to the experts, i say, "show me,"
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They don't wanna have anything to do with it.
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- the top origin of life researchers
00:30:49.637 --> 00:30:52.206
Will not debate jim tour
00:30:52.206 --> 00:30:55.009
Because they know that he knows the chemistry
00:30:55.009 --> 00:30:58.313
And can call him out.
00:30:58.313 --> 00:30:59.914
He's performing a chemical audit on the whole field.
00:30:59.914 --> 00:31:04.585
- my goodness.
00:31:04.585 --> 00:31:05.753
- and it's not turning out so well
00:31:05.753 --> 00:31:07.622
For the people who've been promulgating these ideas
00:31:07.622 --> 00:31:10.224
Right down to the level
00:31:10.224 --> 00:31:11.426
Of high school and college textbooks.
00:31:11.426 --> 00:31:12.860
- [host] got it.
00:31:12.860 --> 00:31:14.128
- so basically they don't want to debate you
00:31:14.128 --> 00:31:15.463
Because they can't explain it.
00:31:15.463 --> 00:31:16.798
- no, they can't explain it.
00:31:16.798 --> 00:31:17.999
And even david berlinski tried
00:31:17.999 --> 00:31:20.501
To get about six of them together.
00:31:20.501 --> 00:31:22.870
A very wealthy man was gonna bring us all together,
00:31:22.870 --> 00:31:25.740
Any city in the world where we wanted.
00:31:25.740 --> 00:31:28.076
Could be any city, any place, he'd get us a hotel,
00:31:28.076 --> 00:31:30.745
We'd talk about this.
00:31:30.745 --> 00:31:32.213
Most of them refused to come.
00:31:32.213 --> 00:31:33.748
One said, "i will only come
00:31:33.748 --> 00:31:35.116
"if i don't have to defend anything i've written."
00:31:35.116 --> 00:31:37.285
- oh, wow, okay.
00:31:37.285 --> 00:31:40.321
- i would come under those circumstances, by the way.
00:31:40.321 --> 00:31:42.991
- and so what happens is that they see exactly what i see.
00:31:42.991 --> 00:31:47.729
If you...
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These are chemists.
00:31:48.830 --> 00:31:50.164
You look at it,
00:31:50.164 --> 00:31:51.332
They would see exactly what i see.
00:31:51.332 --> 00:31:53.501
But what happens is there is a denial of the truth.
00:31:53.501 --> 00:31:57.472
A denial.
00:31:57.472 --> 00:31:58.773
And as the scriptures say,
00:31:58.773 --> 00:32:01.376
When you deny these things,
00:32:01.376 --> 00:32:02.844
It says, "god gives you then a spirit of stupor,
00:32:02.844 --> 00:32:06.581
"so that you are blinded."
00:32:06.581 --> 00:32:08.783
So the denial has made them all the more blind.
00:32:08.783 --> 00:32:12.186
And you say, "well, why would they deny it?"
00:32:12.186 --> 00:32:14.422
Well, if you've spent 40 years
00:32:14.422 --> 00:32:16.524
Talking about something in your career,
00:32:16.524 --> 00:32:18.659
40 years of suggesting something,
00:32:18.659 --> 00:32:21.162
And you see that it is a house of cards
00:32:21.162 --> 00:32:23.631
That is gonna come crumbling down,
00:32:23.631 --> 00:32:25.500
They don't even want to address it.
00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:27.368
They don't even wanna expose it.
00:32:27.368 --> 00:32:28.870
So that's the problem,
00:32:28.870 --> 00:32:30.238
I mean, the scientific community itself.
00:32:30.238 --> 00:32:33.574
But interestingly enough,
00:32:33.574 --> 00:32:35.376
What's happening is these older people are dying off,
00:32:35.376 --> 00:32:39.847
One grave at a time.
00:32:39.847 --> 00:32:41.416
And there's a new generation coming forward
00:32:41.416 --> 00:32:43.584
That i think is going to be more open to say,
00:32:43.584 --> 00:32:45.953
Yeah, there's real problems here.
00:32:45.953 --> 00:32:48.056
So things are beginning to change
00:32:48.056 --> 00:32:49.457
- real problems and also powerful positive evidence
00:32:49.457 --> 00:32:52.527
For intelligent design and for god as the designer.
00:32:52.527 --> 00:32:55.863
And that's our hope and excitement about the film,
00:32:55.863 --> 00:32:58.666
Is that it's gonna get that evidence out to,
00:32:58.666 --> 00:33:01.969
We hope millions of people.
00:33:01.969 --> 00:33:03.504
And young people who have been dissuaded
00:33:03.504 --> 00:33:06.641
From going into science
00:33:06.641 --> 00:33:08.042
Because they think it will undermine their faith,
00:33:08.042 --> 00:33:09.610
Or who go into science and lose their faith
00:33:09.610 --> 00:33:12.080
Need not have that fear anymore,
00:33:12.080 --> 00:33:14.248
Because the evidence is really so powerful.
00:33:14.248 --> 00:33:17.285
- okay, you are scientists,
00:33:17.285 --> 00:33:19.921
And you get excited about these things,
00:33:19.921 --> 00:33:22.590
But you glossed over something in your testimonial
00:33:22.590 --> 00:33:25.359
That i wanna go back to,
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:26.627
That our audience will care deeply about.
00:33:26.627 --> 00:33:30.264
- you were separating your studies.
00:33:31.065 --> 00:33:32.633
You said that your finding of god was completely separate
00:33:32.633 --> 00:33:36.938
Than anything to do with finding out that
00:33:36.938 --> 00:33:40.808
The research was bogus and the house of cards and all that
00:33:40.808 --> 00:33:45.179
Is completely spiritual.
00:33:45.179 --> 00:33:46.981
There was an encounter with jesus or god
00:33:47.849 --> 00:33:50.885
That completely changed you.
00:33:50.885 --> 00:33:53.020
What was that dr. tour?
00:33:53.020 --> 00:33:55.957
Go a little deeper into that.
00:33:55.957 --> 00:33:57.425
Our audience is gonna love that.
00:33:57.425 --> 00:33:59.627
- okay.
00:33:59.627 --> 00:34:01.028
I met a young man early when i first went to college,
00:34:01.028 --> 00:34:05.800
First load of laundry i ever did august of my freshman year.
00:34:06.968 --> 00:34:09.270
My mother always did it for me when i was at home.
00:34:09.270 --> 00:34:11.572
- matt still hasn't-
00:34:11.572 --> 00:34:12.406
- i had a jewish mother.
00:34:12.406 --> 00:34:14.108
She did my laundry and never expected me to do my laundry.
00:34:14.108 --> 00:34:18.579
And so we got to talking and i said,
00:34:18.579 --> 00:34:22.917
What do you wanna do when you graduate?
00:34:22.917 --> 00:34:24.886
He said, oh, lay ministry. i said, what's that?
00:34:24.886 --> 00:34:26.921
He said, oh, maybe a missionary.
00:34:26.921 --> 00:34:28.823
He said, i've never met a missionary before.
00:34:28.823 --> 00:34:30.391
I didn't even know what missionaries existed.
00:34:30.391 --> 00:34:32.126
I really thought they'd all been killed off
00:34:32.126 --> 00:34:33.728
By the american indians, i had no idea.
00:34:33.728 --> 00:34:36.631
And he said, can i give you an illustration of the gospel?
00:34:36.631 --> 00:34:39.634
And he took me through and he showed me verse in romans
00:34:39.634 --> 00:34:43.137
Where it says, all have sinned
00:34:43.137 --> 00:34:44.338
And fall short of the glory of god.
00:34:44.338 --> 00:34:45.606
He had a physical bible with him.
00:34:45.606 --> 00:34:47.708
This was before the days of ipads and iphones.
00:34:47.708 --> 00:34:51.345
And i said, i'm not a sinner, i'm not a sinner.
00:34:51.345 --> 00:34:55.149
We never said the word sin in my home.
00:34:55.149 --> 00:34:58.085
That's not a secular jewish concept.
00:34:58.085 --> 00:35:00.588
So he was a little bit surprised.
00:35:00.588 --> 00:35:02.657
And he opened to matthew 5:28.
00:35:02.657 --> 00:35:04.792
And it says, i say to you,
00:35:04.792 --> 00:35:07.195
If you look at a woman with lust for her,
00:35:07.195 --> 00:35:09.397
You've committed adultery with her already in your heart.
00:35:09.397 --> 00:35:12.934
And i was deeply convicted of my sin, just like that.
00:35:12.934 --> 00:35:17.405
I didn't know jesus was jewish. who knew?
00:35:17.405 --> 00:35:20.041
I didn't know that this was...
00:35:20.041 --> 00:35:21.809
He said, jesus said this. i thought jesus was a christian.
00:35:21.809 --> 00:35:24.745
I mean, wouldn't you think jesus is a christian?
00:35:24.745 --> 00:35:27.815
- yes. - kinda. yes.
00:35:27.815 --> 00:35:29.717
- he's kind of the founder of the faith.
00:35:29.717 --> 00:35:31.385
- yeah. (everybody chuckles)
00:35:31.385 --> 00:35:32.420
- and so why should i even care?
00:35:32.420 --> 00:35:35.256
But what happens is when jesus is speaking to you,
00:35:35.256 --> 00:35:38.926
His words have this enormous power.
00:35:39.694 --> 00:35:41.629
And all of a sudden, for the first time in my life,
00:35:41.629 --> 00:35:44.699
I realized i was a sinner
00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:46.434
Because i was addicted to pornography from the age of 14.
00:35:46.434 --> 00:35:51.772
I was working in a gas station right outside new york city.
00:35:52.940 --> 00:35:54.375
My job was, these highway gas stations,
00:35:54.375 --> 00:35:56.844
I clean the restrooms, i clean the parking lots,
00:35:56.844 --> 00:35:58.679
I find these magazines.
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:00.181
So here i am 18, i never told anybody
00:36:00.181 --> 00:36:02.883
About this addiction that i had.
00:36:02.883 --> 00:36:05.886
And so it was like, boom, it was exposed.
00:36:05.886 --> 00:36:09.357
And he's committed adultery already in his heart.
00:36:09.357 --> 00:36:12.159
Adultery's a physical thing.
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:13.327
How can i commit adultery in my heart?
00:36:13.327 --> 00:36:14.962
This is what jesus does. he always gets at our heart.
00:36:14.962 --> 00:36:17.732
He took me through a few more other verses.
00:36:17.732 --> 00:36:19.634
I couldn't get this off my mind that i am a sinner.
00:36:19.634 --> 00:36:22.470
A few months later, i was all alone in my room.
00:36:22.470 --> 00:36:25.139
I'm not even sure what caused me to do this.
00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:27.441
I got down on my knees.
00:36:27.441 --> 00:36:28.743
I said, lord, forgive me. i am a sinner.
00:36:28.743 --> 00:36:31.412
And all of a sudden,
00:36:31.412 --> 00:36:32.647
This amazing peace started dropping on me.
00:36:32.647 --> 00:36:35.182
And and this burden of sin just started to lift
00:36:35.182 --> 00:36:37.885
And then just off to my right,
00:36:37.885 --> 00:36:39.320
Jesus is standing three feet away from me.
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:41.789
Wasn't a clear optical image,
00:36:41.789 --> 00:36:43.424
But i right away turned to toward him.
00:36:43.424 --> 00:36:45.726
I was on my knees and i dropped,
00:36:45.726 --> 00:36:48.029
I dropped my face to the ground, just weeping.
00:36:48.029 --> 00:36:50.631
It was amazing love pouring over me, amazing love.
00:36:50.631 --> 00:36:54.302
I didn't wanna get up because it was so kind.
00:36:54.302 --> 00:36:56.570
He was so kind.
00:36:56.570 --> 00:36:57.872
Never before had i had an experience like this.
00:36:57.872 --> 00:37:00.241
Never after that, never in my life, not like that day.
00:37:00.241 --> 00:37:03.911
After a while i got up, i wiped the tears from my eyes.
00:37:03.911 --> 00:37:06.047
I couldn't stop thinking about jesus.
00:37:06.047 --> 00:37:08.616
I would dream about jesus every night.
00:37:08.616 --> 00:37:10.751
I'd think about jesus all day.
00:37:10.751 --> 00:37:12.420
I'd have a recurring dream that i'm telling people,
00:37:12.420 --> 00:37:14.955
You've got to meet jesus, you have to meet jesus.
00:37:14.955 --> 00:37:18.259
Here's a jewish kid in his dreams,
00:37:18.259 --> 00:37:20.194
Telling people, you gotta meet jesus.
00:37:20.194 --> 00:37:22.129
He was giving me a prophecy,
00:37:22.129 --> 00:37:24.165
A prophetic dream of what my life was going to become.
00:37:24.165 --> 00:37:27.601
That's what he was showing me.
00:37:27.601 --> 00:37:29.236
Two weeks later,
00:37:29.236 --> 00:37:30.538
The guy who had shared with me back in august,
00:37:30.538 --> 00:37:32.573
He said, jim, have you received jesus in your heart?
00:37:32.573 --> 00:37:36.210
I said, i think i have. why do you ask?
00:37:36.210 --> 00:37:37.645
He says, you have not stopped smiling for weeks.
00:37:37.645 --> 00:37:41.682
I had never told anybody.
00:37:41.682 --> 00:37:43.184
Who would believe me? who would believe such a thing?
00:37:43.184 --> 00:37:45.219
It's a crazy.
00:37:45.219 --> 00:37:46.520
I had no construct to know that what happened.
00:37:46.520 --> 00:37:49.824
And i said, i certainly feel different.
00:37:49.824 --> 00:37:51.459
He says, i said, how can i stay close to god?
00:37:51.459 --> 00:37:53.494
I never felt like this before.
00:37:53.494 --> 00:37:54.862
He said, if you read your bible every day,
00:37:54.862 --> 00:37:56.497
You'll stay close to god.
00:37:56.497 --> 00:37:57.832
If you don't, you won't.
00:37:57.832 --> 00:37:59.367
And i've read my bible every day for more than 47 years.
00:37:59.367 --> 00:38:03.838
- my goodness! - every day.
00:38:03.838 --> 00:38:05.106
I mean, this morning i was in romans,
00:38:05.106 --> 00:38:08.309
I was in second chronicles and i was in prophet isaiah.
00:38:08.309 --> 00:38:11.879
I mean, every day and i've stayed close to god.
00:38:11.879 --> 00:38:16.150
So, i knew god was real.
00:38:16.150 --> 00:38:18.953
I knew i had a relationship with god.
00:38:18.953 --> 00:38:21.021
So it didn't matter to me
00:38:21.021 --> 00:38:22.456
What i was learning in the sciences
00:38:22.456 --> 00:38:24.258
That may have contrasted with this, it didn't matter.
00:38:24.258 --> 00:38:27.395
I knew god.
00:38:27.395 --> 00:38:29.597
- he that day placed an anchor in your understanding
00:38:29.597 --> 00:38:34.001
That nothing would be able to dissuade
00:38:34.001 --> 00:38:37.671
For the rest of your career.
00:38:37.671 --> 00:38:39.206
- yeah and i didn't care what science says. i knew god.
00:38:39.206 --> 00:38:42.443
- [host] yeah. - but i'd learned the science.
00:38:42.443 --> 00:38:44.011
I learned all the things. i learned all the terms.
00:38:44.011 --> 00:38:46.313
I've learned how to say what i needed to say,
00:38:46.313 --> 00:38:49.049
But to pass the exams.
00:38:49.049 --> 00:38:51.318
But it wasn't until later in life
00:38:51.318 --> 00:38:53.821
That i started really studying the science on these topics.
00:38:53.821 --> 00:38:58.025
Now, i don't understand the cosmology.
00:38:58.025 --> 00:39:00.628
I'm not an astrophysicist.
00:39:00.628 --> 00:39:02.930
But i really understand the chemistry.
00:39:02.930 --> 00:39:05.900
I'm a synthetic organic chemist.
00:39:05.900 --> 00:39:07.435
I make molecules for a living.
00:39:07.435 --> 00:39:09.136
I know what they do. i know what they don't do.
00:39:09.136 --> 00:39:11.439
I know how they come together.
00:39:11.439 --> 00:39:13.040
You can draw the picture of two organic molecules
00:39:13.040 --> 00:39:16.143
On a piece of paper.
00:39:16.143 --> 00:39:17.144
I can tell you in an instant
00:39:17.144 --> 00:39:18.479
Whether those two are gonna react together,
00:39:18.479 --> 00:39:20.614
How fast it's gonna be
00:39:20.614 --> 00:39:21.949
And what parts of the molecules would react
00:39:21.949 --> 00:39:23.984
And what product it would make.
00:39:23.984 --> 00:39:25.820
I can do that 'cause i'm a trained chemist.
00:39:25.820 --> 00:39:27.421
I mean, this is what we learned how to do.
00:39:27.421 --> 00:39:28.956
- [host] and that's been one of your big themes is that the.
00:39:28.956 --> 00:39:30.858
- [steven] molecules on their own do not move toward life.
00:39:32.026 --> 00:39:33.294
- they don't, they never move toward life.
00:39:33.294 --> 00:39:34.795
And so when i'm reading about this, i said,
00:39:34.795 --> 00:39:36.864
Your own data is crying out.
00:39:36.864 --> 00:39:38.933
This doesn't work. - [host] wow.
00:39:38.933 --> 00:39:41.235
- and this is why i say it's your own data.
00:39:41.235 --> 00:39:44.538
And they're afraid to stand behind their data
00:39:44.538 --> 00:39:48.175
Because they know it cries out.
00:39:48.175 --> 00:39:50.177
Our stories are all wrong on this.
00:39:50.177 --> 00:39:52.179
- wow, i love it.
00:39:52.179 --> 00:39:54.748
- i got saved in sunday school when i was about six one day,
00:39:54.748 --> 00:39:59.186
But not nearly as dramatic.
00:39:59.186 --> 00:40:01.622
Steven.
00:40:01.622 --> 00:40:02.890
- well, my story is probably 180 degrees
00:40:02.890 --> 00:40:06.060
Out of phase with jim's.
00:40:06.060 --> 00:40:08.028
- [host] okay. - it's the complete opposite.
00:40:08.028 --> 00:40:10.798
It was the last thing in the world
00:40:10.798 --> 00:40:12.766
From a damascus road experience.
00:40:12.766 --> 00:40:14.502
I was kind of a tortured,
00:40:14.502 --> 00:40:17.137
Neurotic, overthinking teenager.
00:40:17.137 --> 00:40:21.242
I was the weird smart kid but not popular.
00:40:21.242 --> 00:40:26.547
And i broke my leg in a skiing accident when i was 14.
00:40:27.615 --> 00:40:31.519
I came out of that.
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:33.487
I had been having these weird questions before that.
00:40:33.487 --> 00:40:36.223
And when i came out in a full leg length cast,
00:40:36.223 --> 00:40:39.927
These just what i later learned
00:40:39.927 --> 00:40:42.730
Were existential philosophical questions
00:40:42.730 --> 00:40:45.366
Just descended on me.
00:40:45.366 --> 00:40:46.800
What's it gonna matter in a hundred years?
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.003
- [host 2] mm.
00:40:49.003 --> 00:40:50.204
- what, i couldn't think of anything
00:40:50.204 --> 00:40:52.573
That you could accomplish that was gonna really matter.
00:40:52.573 --> 00:40:57.845
What happened, i started reading in the hospital.
00:40:58.779 --> 00:41:00.147
I was reading a book about the history of baseball.
00:41:00.147 --> 00:41:01.815
I loved baseball.
00:41:01.815 --> 00:41:03.517
There was nothing more,
00:41:03.517 --> 00:41:04.852
That was the highest thing you could be,
00:41:04.852 --> 00:41:06.520
Would be the shortstop for the new york yankees.
00:41:06.520 --> 00:41:08.155
And i'd read the stories of these great players,
00:41:08.155 --> 00:41:10.257
And it was always the same thing.
00:41:10.257 --> 00:41:12.293
They'd have this amazing career,
00:41:12.293 --> 00:41:13.527
They'd accumulate these statistics,
00:41:13.527 --> 00:41:15.129
And then at the end, you know, maybe they're 35,
00:41:15.129 --> 00:41:18.065
Maybe they're 40, maybe they, and then what's left?
00:41:18.065 --> 00:41:21.635
A bunch of numbers on a piece of paper.
00:41:21.635 --> 00:41:23.871
- [host] hmm. - and i thought, well,
00:41:23.871 --> 00:41:25.039
I talked to my mother about that.
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:26.640
And she said, well that's just 'cause they're just chasing
00:41:26.640 --> 00:41:28.108
A ball around on the field.
00:41:28.108 --> 00:41:29.310
Nobody cares about that.
00:41:29.310 --> 00:41:30.644
Then what would be, how would it be different
00:41:30.644 --> 00:41:31.979
If i was a surgeon?
00:41:31.979 --> 00:41:33.747
I would save a bunch of people's lives,
00:41:33.747 --> 00:41:35.082
But then they would die and i would die.
00:41:35.082 --> 00:41:36.984
And in a hundred years, a thousand years,
00:41:36.984 --> 00:41:39.086
Nobody's gonna remember us.
00:41:39.086 --> 00:41:40.421
And i had other questions about time
00:41:40.421 --> 00:41:44.124
And how fleeting it was
00:41:44.124 --> 00:41:45.993
And that there didn't seem to be anything
00:41:45.993 --> 00:41:47.895
That was stable and secure.
00:41:47.895 --> 00:41:50.598
There seemed to be, there needed to be something
00:41:50.598 --> 00:41:52.299
That didn't change
00:41:52.299 --> 00:41:53.867
Or else everything that was constantly changing around me
00:41:53.867 --> 00:41:55.970
In my field of vision was ultimately meaningless.
00:41:55.970 --> 00:41:59.406
'cause it was just passing this moment
00:41:59.406 --> 00:42:00.507
And then there's another moment.
00:42:00.507 --> 00:42:02.109
You could drop a ball on the floor,
00:42:02.109 --> 00:42:03.577
I could remember that happening, but that moment's gone.
00:42:03.577 --> 00:42:06.647
Now where did it go?
00:42:06.647 --> 00:42:08.182
So i was having these very weird thoughts and questions,
00:42:08.182 --> 00:42:11.552
And then i had this really scary thought,
00:42:11.552 --> 00:42:14.088
Which is, i wonder if this is what it means to be insane.
00:42:14.088 --> 00:42:17.358
- [host] oh, wow. - and then
00:42:17.358 --> 00:42:18.726
I had this panic surge.
00:42:18.726 --> 00:42:20.861
I could, i remember this adrenaline, you know.
00:42:20.861 --> 00:42:23.263
And so then associated with all my strange,
00:42:23.263 --> 00:42:26.700
Neurotic, philosophical thoughts
00:42:26.700 --> 00:42:28.369
Was this fear that there was something deeply wrong with me.
00:42:28.369 --> 00:42:31.372
And then i began to fear the thoughts that i was having
00:42:31.372 --> 00:42:35.109
Because they were an indication
00:42:35.109 --> 00:42:36.276
That something was wrong.
00:42:36.276 --> 00:42:37.578
So there was this fear of a fear of a fear.
00:42:37.578 --> 00:42:39.046
And it was a maelstrom.
00:42:39.046 --> 00:42:40.247
And it was. - [host] echo chamber.
00:42:40.247 --> 00:42:42.082
- echo chamber, six months or more.
00:42:42.082 --> 00:42:44.151
And i'm in this leg cast.
00:42:44.151 --> 00:42:45.619
I'm a hyperactive anyway.
00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:46.754
I can't get out and do anything.
00:42:46.754 --> 00:42:48.555
And finally, i have this happy go lucky brother
00:42:48.555 --> 00:42:53.394
Who is my alter ego.
00:42:53.394 --> 00:42:54.995
And he kind of started to pull me out of it in various ways.
00:42:54.995 --> 00:42:57.765
A year later, i picked up the big white family bible
00:42:57.765 --> 00:43:01.335
In the living room.
00:43:01.335 --> 00:43:04.238
And it fell open to the two testament,
00:43:04.238 --> 00:43:07.074
The division between the two testaments.
00:43:07.074 --> 00:43:08.809
And there was a picture of a very manly
00:43:08.809 --> 00:43:10.644
Jesus of nazareth saying, "come unto me all you who labor
00:43:10.644 --> 00:43:14.915
And are burdened, and i will give you rest."
00:43:14.915 --> 00:43:17.151
And that sounded pretty good to me.
00:43:17.151 --> 00:43:19.053
And so i started reading the gospel of matthew
00:43:19.053 --> 00:43:21.155
And i'd read one chapter a night, and it settled me.
00:43:21.155 --> 00:43:26.527
And as i read more and more in the bible,
00:43:27.394 --> 00:43:29.029
I found that there were things that the scripture was saying
00:43:29.029 --> 00:43:30.831
That were speaking to these questions that i was having.
00:43:30.831 --> 00:43:34.034
- [host] my goodness.
00:43:34.034 --> 00:43:35.502
- i had this feeling that there had to be something
00:43:35.502 --> 00:43:36.470
That didn't change,
00:43:36.470 --> 00:43:37.771
Or everything that was constantly changing
00:43:37.771 --> 00:43:38.839
Was ultimately meaningless.
00:43:38.839 --> 00:43:40.340
And then i encountered in the book of hebrews,
00:43:40.340 --> 00:43:42.543
Jesus christ is the same as yesterday, today, and forever.
00:43:42.543 --> 00:43:45.145
- oh my goodness. - or in the torah,
00:43:45.145 --> 00:43:46.280
God revealed himself as the eternal,
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:49.283
Self existent, timeless one.
00:43:49.283 --> 00:43:51.218
And little by little,
00:43:51.218 --> 00:43:53.721
These questions that i was having were being answered.
00:43:53.721 --> 00:43:57.224
Fast forward, i'm in college.
00:43:57.224 --> 00:43:58.926
I have this amazing college professor.
00:43:58.926 --> 00:44:01.895
He's teach, i'm taking a course on atheistic existentialism,
00:44:01.895 --> 00:44:04.998
Learning the works of jean paul sartre,
00:44:04.998 --> 00:44:08.268
The famous french existentialist.
00:44:08.268 --> 00:44:09.570
And to paraphrase, he says,
00:44:09.570 --> 00:44:11.405
"without an infinite reference point,
00:44:11.405 --> 00:44:12.906
Nothing finite has any lasting or enduring meaning."
00:44:12.906 --> 00:44:15.242
I almost jumped out of my chair.
00:44:15.242 --> 00:44:17.044
"that's what was bothering me," i said, "professor."
00:44:17.044 --> 00:44:18.779
And i said, "so maybe i wasn't insane.
00:44:18.779 --> 00:44:22.549
I was just a philosopher."
00:44:22.549 --> 00:44:24.351
And he said to me, "well, of course there's a fine line
00:44:24.351 --> 00:44:27.788
Between philosophy and insanity."
00:44:27.788 --> 00:44:29.456
It's the joke.
00:44:29.456 --> 00:44:31.391
(lori chuckles)
00:44:31.759 --> 00:44:32.926
- but so what happened for me was that,
00:44:32.926 --> 00:44:35.129
The bible answered
00:44:35.129 --> 00:44:37.898
What turned out to be worldview questions
00:44:37.898 --> 00:44:40.501
That i didn't know how to answer as a 14-year-old
00:44:40.501 --> 00:44:43.470
Or a 15-year-old.
00:44:43.470 --> 00:44:44.972
And, and so for me, there was a conversion
00:44:44.972 --> 00:44:47.040
That took place intellectually
00:44:47.040 --> 00:44:49.143
Because of the way in which the bible addressed
00:44:49.143 --> 00:44:52.279
Very fundamental questions.
00:44:52.279 --> 00:44:54.548
And when i, it wasn't until my first year out of college
00:44:54.548 --> 00:44:58.886
That i really settled in the christian faith,
00:44:58.886 --> 00:45:01.088
I spent from kind of those early teen years
00:45:01.088 --> 00:45:04.725
All the way through college
00:45:04.725 --> 00:45:07.528
In a tortured state of overthinking.
00:45:07.528 --> 00:45:12.099
And i remember one time late in high school, i resolved,
00:45:12.099 --> 00:45:16.436
I'm going to stop thinking about christianity for two weeks.
00:45:16.436 --> 00:45:19.973
I just have to stop.
00:45:19.973 --> 00:45:21.642
And i couldn't do it.
00:45:21.642 --> 00:45:22.676
(lori chuckles)
00:45:22.676 --> 00:45:24.178
And, so, but, i settled my first year out of college.
00:45:24.178 --> 00:45:27.915
I'd had a pretty great experience in college
00:45:27.915 --> 00:45:30.050
Where i'd been the weird kid in high school.
00:45:30.050 --> 00:45:31.552
I made friends.
00:45:31.552 --> 00:45:32.719
I had a good experience academically,
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:34.288
I was a late bloomer, but in college i ended up doing
00:45:34.288 --> 00:45:36.423
A double major in two different science fields.
00:45:36.423 --> 00:45:38.759
And i kept sneaking across campus
00:45:38.759 --> 00:45:40.394
To take philosophy classes.
00:45:40.394 --> 00:45:42.896
And my first year outta college, i suddenly settled
00:45:42.896 --> 00:45:45.532
And i thought, i wanna serve god,
00:45:45.532 --> 00:45:48.235
I wanna do something with the mind he's given me.
00:45:48.235 --> 00:45:52.272
And no sooner had i kind of made that resolve
00:45:52.272 --> 00:45:55.042
Than this conference came right here to dallas
00:45:55.042 --> 00:45:57.377
Where i was working as a geophysicist,
00:45:57.377 --> 00:45:59.680
Where there were leading scientists
00:45:59.680 --> 00:46:01.949
Who were coming to debate the origin of the universe,
00:46:01.949 --> 00:46:04.484
The origin of life,
00:46:04.484 --> 00:46:05.953
And the origin and nature of the human mind.
00:46:05.953 --> 00:46:09.089
And these were the big questions that interested me.
00:46:09.089 --> 00:46:11.725
And i was stunned to find at this conference
00:46:11.725 --> 00:46:14.194
That the theists, the god believing scientists,
00:46:14.194 --> 00:46:16.396
Seemed to have the intellectual initiative
00:46:16.396 --> 00:46:17.998
Around these questions.
00:46:17.998 --> 00:46:19.533
A year later, i was off to cambridge to do first a master's
00:46:19.533 --> 00:46:22.536
And then ultimately a phd on origin of life biology.
00:46:22.536 --> 00:46:24.838
The same subject that fascinates jim today.
00:46:24.838 --> 00:46:27.007
And that's how we've connected.
00:46:27.007 --> 00:46:28.342
We've recently written an article together
00:46:28.342 --> 00:46:30.310
For a major academic volume that's coming out.
00:46:30.310 --> 00:46:32.613
So i've just been greatly blessed
00:46:32.613 --> 00:46:35.616
That all of that period of tortured over questioning
00:46:35.616 --> 00:46:39.920
Is now sort of the basis of the work i do.
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.557
And i've always found that in my teaching,
00:46:43.557 --> 00:46:47.261
I have a natural affinity.
00:46:47.261 --> 00:46:48.528
I connect with students who are kind of like me.
00:46:48.528 --> 00:46:51.064
People come to faith through different paths.
00:46:51.064 --> 00:46:53.367
- [lori] yeah.
00:46:53.367 --> 00:46:54.701
- and i came through a period of questioning,
00:46:54.701 --> 00:46:56.403
Jim came through a direct encounter with christ that...
00:46:56.403 --> 00:46:59.506
- [speaker] you're...
00:46:59.506 --> 00:47:00.340
- that i envy.
00:47:00.340 --> 00:47:01.174
- yeah.
00:47:01.174 --> 00:47:02.342
- but you're making my point here.
00:47:02.342 --> 00:47:03.110
- yeah.
00:47:03.110 --> 00:47:04.278
- that maybe we should let the audience
00:47:04.278 --> 00:47:06.580
In on a little secret.
00:47:06.580 --> 00:47:08.048
Today was oddly not planned.
00:47:08.048 --> 00:47:11.551
And it might take a little bit too long to explain that
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We had booked you, steven,
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And we had booked you dr. tour,
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But there was no,
00:47:20.827 --> 00:47:22.729
What is happening right now was not planned.
00:47:23.630 --> 00:47:25.666
So this was kind of an ordained moment.
00:47:25.666 --> 00:47:27.968
We were planning on walking out to the studio with just you
00:47:27.968 --> 00:47:32.072
When dr. tour arrived.
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And i went, "oh my gosh!
00:47:33.507 --> 00:47:35.075
Okay." (chuckles)
00:47:35.075 --> 00:47:36.343
So, and we started formulating this plan
00:47:36.343 --> 00:47:39.446
While we've been sitting here listening to
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What you've been discussing,
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And we're coming to the end of this episode
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And the movie's coming out april 30th, by the way.
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You know, you're both scientists,
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But i'm kind of a storyteller.
00:47:52.759 --> 00:47:55.062
When you were doing doctoral thesis,
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I had hand puppets over my hands and did voices
00:47:57.864 --> 00:48:00.901
And you know, did plays and that kind of stuff.
00:48:00.901 --> 00:48:03.203
(stephen chuckles)
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And i can draw, okay?
00:48:04.037 --> 00:48:05.038
So i designed the studio, okay?
00:48:05.038 --> 00:48:07.975
And so ultimately i think what god has done today
00:48:07.975 --> 00:48:13.246
On behalf of this film
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That you both have worked very hard on,
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And this is largely adapted from your book,
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Return of the god hypothesis.
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So what i think god is doing,
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And the way that this conversation was led today is
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To show the people that are watching this broadcast
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That it doesn't matter who you bring to see this film.
00:48:34.801 --> 00:48:40.073
Some that are going
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To have an encounter very spiritual experience,
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Or that you would think
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It would take that to get them to find god,
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Or those that would torture
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And be tortured by philosophical questions.
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I think both anointings are going to be present in this film
00:48:58.558 --> 00:49:03.864
For god to do whatever he needs to do.
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I think what you are the perfect yin and yang, i guess,
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You know, at that point.
00:49:10.937 --> 00:49:12.739
- we do a lot together now. - [speaker] yeah.
00:49:12.739 --> 00:49:14.307
- 'cause we compliment each other so well.
00:49:14.307 --> 00:49:16.143
- [lori] yeah.
00:49:16.143 --> 00:49:17.511
- jim has this deep knowledge of the chemistry
00:49:17.511 --> 00:49:19.479
And when we did a joint presentation
00:49:19.479 --> 00:49:21.782
At one of the cambridge colleges last fall,
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He did the critique of the chemical evolutionary theories.
00:49:23.984 --> 00:49:27.220
I made the positive case for intelligent design.
00:49:27.220 --> 00:49:29.790
We've since written an article together,
00:49:29.790 --> 00:49:31.625
Bringing those two approaches together.
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- and think of the uniqueness
00:49:33.427 --> 00:49:35.028
Of even how you both found god.
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- [stephen] faith, yeah.
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- yeah.
00:49:38.298 --> 00:49:39.132
- on your knees,
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Bowing before an all present, omnipresent god,
00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:43.603
And his son christ there in your room
00:49:43.603 --> 00:49:47.808
And not wanting to get up,
00:49:47.808 --> 00:49:49.509
And you having to come through
00:49:49.509 --> 00:49:51.244
This tortured kind of period of your life
00:49:51.244 --> 00:49:54.347
Where you questioned everything
00:49:54.347 --> 00:49:55.782
And does anything matter,
00:49:55.782 --> 00:49:57.784
And us that are going to go see this film.
00:49:57.784 --> 00:50:03.056
Look, we, you know, i've been doing this a while
00:50:03.990 --> 00:50:06.860
And i've put 13 movies in the box office.
00:50:06.860 --> 00:50:09.262
- mm hmm.
00:50:09.262 --> 00:50:10.497
- and so lori and i have sat like this
00:50:10.497 --> 00:50:12.632
And looked into a camera before and said, you know,
00:50:12.632 --> 00:50:15.569
These guys have worked on this film
00:50:15.569 --> 00:50:17.838
And then at some point we give it to you.
00:50:17.838 --> 00:50:20.707
Their work is done.
00:50:20.707 --> 00:50:22.375
And now the audience,
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Those that have sat through this praise program
00:50:24.010 --> 00:50:27.047
To understand what this is, you know, actually has in.
00:50:27.047 --> 00:50:30.317
- now, it's up to you, we give it to you.
00:50:31.184 --> 00:50:32.652
The film is in your hands.
00:50:32.652 --> 00:50:34.154
- a tool.
00:50:34.154 --> 00:50:35.322
- buy a ticket, bring somebody to this
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And let the encounter version,
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The dr. tour encounter version
00:50:40.861 --> 00:50:43.430
Or the tortured, i've got to understand everything
00:50:43.430 --> 00:50:46.032
Or nothing makes sense.
00:50:46.032 --> 00:50:48.101
Both of these kind of anointings
00:50:48.101 --> 00:50:50.170
Have come together for this,
00:50:50.170 --> 00:50:51.805
Bring somebody to the theater and let it do its work.
00:50:51.805 --> 00:50:56.109
- yeah.
00:50:56.109 --> 00:50:57.043
- that's why we do these things.
00:50:57.043 --> 00:50:58.612
The really great thing is when we were doing a lot of films
00:50:58.612 --> 00:51:01.815
And putting them into the box office,
00:51:01.815 --> 00:51:03.383
A friend of ours called us one day
00:51:03.383 --> 00:51:05.085
And was waiting in line, and thank god,
00:51:05.085 --> 00:51:08.054
Because of the marketing capability of "tbn,"
00:51:08.054 --> 00:51:10.790
There was a big line, it was a sold out thing.
00:51:10.790 --> 00:51:13.026
And we had one of our films
00:51:13.026 --> 00:51:14.294
And they said they were standing in a line
00:51:14.294 --> 00:51:16.263
And above the door in an amc theater.
00:51:16.263 --> 00:51:19.566
It said, "'omega code' sold out, 'omega code' sold out."
00:51:19.566 --> 00:51:24.871
And while they were looking at that, the lord said,
00:51:25.906 --> 00:51:27.307
"this is the church corner of the new millennium."
00:51:27.307 --> 00:51:30.310
So what you've done is you haven't made somebody
00:51:31.311 --> 00:51:33.580
Come to church, you've put church out in society.
00:51:33.580 --> 00:51:37.817
And that when we, as the audience bring the neighbor,
00:51:37.817 --> 00:51:41.054
The neighbor kid,
00:51:41.054 --> 00:51:42.522
The smart, nerd, outcast kid
00:51:42.522 --> 00:51:46.593
Or the football player star
00:51:46.593 --> 00:51:49.396
And the, you know, homecoming king and queen,
00:51:49.396 --> 00:51:52.098
Doesn't matter, there's going to be an encounter
00:51:52.098 --> 00:51:54.634
Or there's going to be this kind of reasoning
00:51:54.634 --> 00:51:57.571
To find your faith.
00:51:57.571 --> 00:51:58.972
- yeah, if i could interject something too, matt,
00:51:58.972 --> 00:52:00.974
The producers of this have done
00:52:00.974 --> 00:52:03.577
An absolutely fabulous job
00:52:03.577 --> 00:52:05.712
In terms of the production values
00:52:05.712 --> 00:52:07.914
That the cinematic and aesthetic excellence of this,
00:52:07.914 --> 00:52:11.685
The storytelling is very strong.
00:52:11.685 --> 00:52:13.820
It's taken my admittedly somewhat dense,
00:52:13.820 --> 00:52:17.524
Heavily footnoted book and turned it into a story
00:52:17.524 --> 00:52:20.493
That's really compelling.
00:52:20.493 --> 00:52:21.895
And yet the science is absolutely spot on.
00:52:21.895 --> 00:52:24.898
It's accurate, it's rigorous.
00:52:24.898 --> 00:52:26.866
The argumentation is persuasive.
00:52:26.866 --> 00:52:29.102
So this is a film you can bring
00:52:29.102 --> 00:52:30.537
Your non-christian friends to
00:52:30.537 --> 00:52:32.472
And not have any fear of embarrassment.
00:52:32.472 --> 00:52:34.274
It will connect.
00:52:34.274 --> 00:52:35.575
- why don't we just prove that right now?
00:52:35.575 --> 00:52:37.210
We have a little clip,
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"the story of everything" in theaters, april 30th.
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Watch this.
00:52:41.815 --> 00:52:42.649
(upbeat music)
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- [narrator] today, i'm going to tell you a story
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Which may seem very strange.
00:52:47.354 --> 00:52:50.390
- [speaker] galileo, kepler, newton.
00:52:51.157 --> 00:52:54.661
- [narrator] each tried to explain events
00:52:55.528 --> 00:52:57.297
In the history of the universe.
00:52:57.297 --> 00:52:58.798
- has the universe always been here.
00:52:58.798 --> 00:53:01.101
Or is it finite?
00:53:01.101 --> 00:53:02.269
- [speaker 2] is there something else
00:53:02.269 --> 00:53:03.503
That would lay these questions to rest?
00:53:03.503 --> 00:53:05.405
- it reopens that question of ultimate meaning.
00:53:05.405 --> 00:53:08.475
- how in the world did this start?
00:53:09.209 --> 00:53:11.311
- the simulation theory?
00:53:11.811 --> 00:53:12.946
The multiverse,
00:53:12.946 --> 00:53:14.281
You can't trust what's in front of your eyes.
00:53:14.281 --> 00:53:15.482
- come on, that's ridiculous.
00:53:15.482 --> 00:53:17.317
That belongs in the movies.
00:53:17.317 --> 00:53:19.085
(ethereal music)
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- we want to take our metaphysical hypotheses
00:53:22.355 --> 00:53:25.258
And see what they point to.
00:53:25.258 --> 00:53:27.794
- [speaker 3] and i can remember him saying-
00:53:27.794 --> 00:53:29.296
- there is evidence for what can only be described
00:53:29.296 --> 00:53:31.898
As a supernatural event.
00:53:31.898 --> 00:53:34.801
- [speaker 4] he himself made a discovery
00:53:35.602 --> 00:53:37.604
That shook his personal philosophy.
00:53:37.604 --> 00:53:40.640
- [speaker 5] the fact that universe spying into being
00:53:40.640 --> 00:53:42.375
At a definite moment seems to me theological.
00:53:42.375 --> 00:53:45.745
- and it is science that has revealed this.
00:53:45.745 --> 00:53:49.015
We are dealing with a system of manifold complex design.
00:53:49.015 --> 00:53:53.520
(people speaking simultaneously)
00:53:53.520 --> 00:53:58.458
- turned out to be the tip of the iceberg.
00:53:59.359 --> 00:54:01.828
- we associate information
00:54:02.395 --> 00:54:04.764
With a rational intelligence behind it.
00:54:04.764 --> 00:54:08.335
- it had an uncanny resemblance to a digital bit string,
00:54:08.335 --> 00:54:12.605
Very much like an information carrier.
00:54:12.605 --> 00:54:15.175
- you can read the same segment forward
00:54:15.175 --> 00:54:17.243
To get one protein and backwards to get another.
00:54:17.243 --> 00:54:19.779
- it struck us with a tremendous impact.
00:54:19.779 --> 00:54:21.748
- [speaker 6] without guidance,
00:54:21.748 --> 00:54:23.249
We would get a life unfriendly universe.
00:54:23.249 --> 00:54:25.885
Many organisms have beauty beyond anything
00:54:26.786 --> 00:54:28.521
That's relevant for their survival value.
00:54:28.521 --> 00:54:31.024
- [speaker 7] the concept of life as a cosmic phenomenon
00:54:31.024 --> 00:54:33.893
Should have many consequences.
00:54:33.893 --> 00:54:39.299
The question then was, what does one do about it?
00:54:40.300 --> 00:54:43.636
(gentle music)
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- "the story of everything" in theaters april 30th,
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Dr. stephen, your final thoughts,
00:54:51.077 --> 00:54:52.946
And then dr. tour, your final thoughts
00:54:52.946 --> 00:54:54.481
Before we say goodbye.
00:54:54.481 --> 00:54:55.849
- oh, we're just delighted and very grateful to you
00:54:55.849 --> 00:54:57.884
For giving us an opportunity
00:54:57.884 --> 00:54:59.219
To tell your audience about this.
00:54:59.219 --> 00:55:01.187
We think really unique product that can open minds
00:55:01.187 --> 00:55:06.493
And hearts to the reality of god.
00:55:07.227 --> 00:55:08.294
- and it was like i said at the beginning,
00:55:09.195 --> 00:55:11.664
That all of you know somebody
00:55:11.664 --> 00:55:14.968
Who has been drawn astray by this.
00:55:14.968 --> 00:55:18.238
Bring them to this movie,
00:55:18.238 --> 00:55:19.606
Let them see that there's a lot of smart minds
00:55:19.606 --> 00:55:23.343
That have analyzed this and the bible is not wrong.
00:55:23.343 --> 00:55:28.314
The bible is right.
00:55:28.314 --> 00:55:30.183
- and whether the person you brings just needs an encounter
00:55:30.183 --> 00:55:33.787
Or needs to process through all of this,
00:55:33.787 --> 00:55:36.689
The fact remains, you've taken the best that you can do
00:55:36.689 --> 00:55:41.995
To tell "the story of everything."
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And the simplicity of it is,
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God created the heavens and the earth.
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We'll see you next time.
00:55:47.901 --> 00:55:48.835
- amen. - bye-bye.
00:55:48.835 --> 00:55:50.170
- let's go.
00:55:50.170 --> 00:55:51.004
(gentle music)
00:55:51.004 --> 00:55:51.004

Dr Stephen Meyer & Dr. James Tour: The Story of Everything | Praise

April 6, 2026 | 55:59

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