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Praise. history is a story. the bible is a story. god kind of
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Gives the plot. he gives the whole plot away right? to begin
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With, we need a savior. we need a hero. we need somebody who
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Can come along and be obedient to the covenant. jesus appears.
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The hero is here, the one who trusts the head, the satan.
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Tonight on praise from dallas teacher, mentor and bestselling
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Author dudley hall. and now your hosts, matt and laurie
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Crouch. first of all, texas is awesome. that's right. and
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Cowboy hats are cool. yes. okay. and dudley hall, thank you for
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Being our guest at last. surprising hope in the end
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Times. that's an interesting title. our book today,
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Published by trilogy publishing. our author is sitting with us,
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Dudley hall. what what are you what are you getting into? in
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Kind of a nice short little story book. what are we talking
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About today? tell tell us about hope in the end times. well, i
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Know that with a lot of pessimism about end times and
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Fear. okay? i can remember going to revival meetings where
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The second coming would be mentioned, and it's like, you
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Better get saved tonight because he could come back
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Before midnight. and so i didn't understand what that was
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All about. so i was told later that eschatology is, you know,
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It's it's arbitrary. you can get into it or not get into it
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Or it's not that important. but you know what? i was pastoring
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A church during seminary where the jesus movement had was
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Happening and kids were being saved by the hundreds and call
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Him in the wee hours of the night wanting to be baptized
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And all that. and they were reading a book written by hal
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Lindsey, at that time a very popular called the late great
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Planet earth. so they were reading that, and from that
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They were getting the impression, the conclusion that
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This was the terminal generation, that we're there's
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Not going to be anybody after this generation that jesus is
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Coming back in or around 88, 1988. and so i'm trying to
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Disciple these kids to dozens of them, and nobody wants to
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Learn how to. they don't want to go to college, and they
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Don't want to learn how to handle their money. they don't
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They're not thinking about marriage. they're thinking
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About sex a lot, but not marriage. and they don't know
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How to discipline kids. they don't know how to deal with
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Their government. it's like, you know, government, all
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That's bad. you don't want to get involved in politics. so i
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Was having a hard time biblically discipling the kids
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Because i realized eschatology is important. what you believe
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About the end determines how you live now. so i quit being a
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Spectator about it that i thought, i think i'll just go
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Read the scripture now. it was kind of complicated. if you
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Listened to my peers at seminary, because they all had
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These views, and dispensationalism was the
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Strongest of the views of things are going to get worse
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And worse. darkness is going to get darker and darker, but
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Eventually and and hopefully soon jesus will come back and
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He'll fix everything. and so that was the that was the story
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I was being told in theological discussions. it wasn't the
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Story that i got when i read the scripture. wow. okay. well,
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When you read the scripture, what story was it telling? well,
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The scripture is a story. i grew up in alabama, good old
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Country boy. my dad was a storyteller. my granddad was a
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Storyteller. everybody's a storyteller. so our great
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Entertainment was sitting on the front drinking iced tea and
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Telling stories. god loves stories. i later found out god
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Designed it that way. god's storyteller history is a story.
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The bible is a story. it's a story. it is a a specific story.
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It's not. it's not one of those post-modern deals where you go
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And make the story about whatever you want it to be. it
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Really is a story. yeah. and someone with as much authority
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As jesus tells us how to interpret the story. okay.
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Chapter two, the story has a plot. okay. why don't you do a
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Little mini version of what you're talking about in this
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Book and and just tell us that story. what what what are you
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Actually saying? okay, great. every story has a as a pattern.
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A good story has and has a beginning. once upon a time, it
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Has rising action that comes out of the once upon a time
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Deal has a conflict, a problem that's got to be addressed. but
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Finally, the great reveal is that a hero does appear and he
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Comes, and he actually fixes the problem. so once upon a
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Time, god created the universe, created the world. adam and eve
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Were there, and there was a serpent. yeah. and so god knows
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When adam and eve what he intends to do with humanity. so
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He says, i want you to be my partners. we're going to do
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Life together, and and you're going to subdue the earth. so
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You're my instruments on earth. had a wonderful time with god
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Until the serpent came and the serpent deceived eve and adam.
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And because of that, a problem occurred that that doesn't seem
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To deter. god says to the woman, your seed is going to crush his
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Head. the serpent says to the serpent, you are going to
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Bruise the heel of the city. and that's what it's going to
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Be about. and then god appears to abraham and he says to
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Abraham, i'm going to choose you and your family to be the
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One that the seed comes from that crushes the head of satan.
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So he chooses abraham. and then there's isaac. and isaac has
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Kids and grandkids. and because the famine came, they had to go
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Down to egypt to get to get food. stay down there for 100
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Years. in that period, god had made a covenant with moses that
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Says, if you will obey me, i will bless you. i'll make you
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The head by the tail, the land, and not the borrower, but
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Phosphorus one and not the poor one, the healthy one, and not
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The sick one. i'll do that because i'm choosing you as my
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People. and if you'll obey me. but you need to obey the
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Covenant. but if you disobey, the opposite will happen.
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They'll be curses. you won't be that. you'll be the tail. you
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Won't be blessed. you'll be first. they want a king. so god
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Says okay. and so he lets them choose a king. songs doesn't
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Turn out too good. so god says, let. let me help you with this.
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Choosing this king. so god chooses david. so david becomes
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King and he's a good king, man after god's own heart. and god
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Makes a promise to david said, you know, i made a promise back
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In the garden that i was going to crush the serpent, the
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Powers of evil. i was going to crush the devil with human
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Instrumentality. and so i'm going to use one of your sons.
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He's going to be king, and one of your sons will always sit on
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The throne, ruling over what i do. and israel really thought
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They could keep the covenant. they could. and god was showing
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Them and and the world and the story. the humanity can never
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Be obedient to god alone. we need a savior. we need a hero.
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We need somebody who can come along and be obedient to the
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Covenant. and then one day, john the baptist is out
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Preaching to try to identify the remnant of israelites who
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Is going to respond to the next level of revelation. and he's
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Preaching along, and he looks up and sees one of his kinfolks
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He says, there is the lamb of god. that's the one who's going
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To crush the head of, say, jesus appears. the hero is here,
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The one who lived according to the covenant perfectly. he
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Obeyed everything in the covenant. and then after living
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Obedient lives, he died and paid the penalty, took the
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Curses that come because of disobedience, and he becomes
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The ultimate israelite. he becomes the israel in one man.
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And so god's promise to israel is fulfilled, and israel did
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Its job. it produced the seed and christ the head of satan.
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And so in his death and then his resurrection from the dead,
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His ascension to the right hand of the father from that point,
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Now he is king. one of david's sons is now on the throne. and
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From that perspective, he sent the holy spirit to live in the
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Believers, empowering them to go and take this message, this
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Truth, this transformation into the rest of the world, to push
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Back darkness and by the power of the spirit and the gifts of
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The spirit, we go into the world, making the world a
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Better place. so we have hope. we're not waiting for the hero
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To come. he has already done. now where can the falling
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Action of that great event, and it will conclude when he comes
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Again to be exalted among all the saints because of what he
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Has done, and when he then when that comes, there will be the
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Ultimate judgment, and all wrongs will be made right and
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All pain will become nothing. and that's our hope for those
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Seeking clarity and understanding about the last
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Days, dudley hall has written at last surprising hope in the
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End times, focusing on god's plan of redemption for humanity.
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This book reminds us that jesus is the hero of a narrative
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Stretching from the garden of eden until today. there's no
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Need to live in fear if we keep our focus on the promises
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Revealed in the scriptures and the hope of what is to come.
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Available at amazon, your local bookstore, or at trilogy of
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Your story is formatted like a beautiful story. it's formatted
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With basically a introduction once upon a time, god created
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The heavens and the earth. everything goes wrong. jesus is
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The fix for everything. he leaves the power of the holy
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Spirit that raised him from the dead in us. and then. but what?
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What i grew up in dudley and what you grew up in was a
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Little bit of a different story, you know, what you're talking
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About is, at last, surprising hope in the end times that the
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Hero left his spirit and power with us, so that by faith we
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Would continue to demonstrate his kingdom. but interesting.
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That's where basically the train wreck happens in my
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Childhood. and there was this thing called hellfire and
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Brimstone preaching. forgive the illustrated sermon that i
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Kind of brought into the studio today, but that's where the
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Story starts for me, for lori, for yourself. and there was a.
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Pessimistic view of the future, let's say that said, no, it's
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All going to get worse again. it's going to get, you know,
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The marines are going to have to come again. the hero is
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Going to have to make another appearance. now, we all know
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That jesus is coming back and and hopefully soon. but if you
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Look around the studio, this is kind of what you know, there's
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Daniel nine and and you know, all of this stuff that's and
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Then all of a sudden you see all of this dispensational
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Chart. it's i never understood it, you know, and and at some
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Point we were trying to have this understanding, but there
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Was a different story being told, and that we were not
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Empowered. yes, that we were waiting for some kind of event
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For the hero to return again, to rescue, to rescue that we
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Analogizing we need the marines to come to rescue us. and what
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Your story say we are the marines. yeah, and his kingdom
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Is here, and we represent it with full power and authority.
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But we don't really largely act like it. and what we're trying
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To do today is not confuse people with the end time, but
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To simplify it again, back down to there is light at the end of
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The darkness, and we're trying to simplify and put hope in the
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End times, not confusion into the end times. is that kind of
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What. yeah, that's kind of what we're trying to do. and i can
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Remember going to churches with that chart around the church,
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The small church, it went all the way. yeah. you know,
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There's a larger church. you can put it up on a placard or
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Whatever. and i can remember standing there for like minutes
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Seemed like hours. and i would just say to the pastor,
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Whatever, explained that to me, and nobody could. i mean, they
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Give it a shot, but it's like, that makes no sense. and it's
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Like, and the other thing, the other effect it had on me is
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Like, i'll never be smart enough to do this. yeah. i mean,
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Where do you have to go? where they where that kind of
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Information in? and so you think maybe there was some
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Little spiritual warfare going on here that the powerful,
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Simple gospel of jesus christ, the story that changes
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Everything, that maybe hell had something to do with making
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Complicated what god had made simple. and that that had put
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Off to a future that which god had said, i want you to
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Experience now. wow. and and maybe diminishing the power of
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The gospel and saying, the god, the good news awaits till
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Yonder heaven when you die are the millennium years from now
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Some somewhere. but but right now you just gotta stick it out.
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Yeah. be a good boy. be the best you can. but. but there
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Was a lot of hope and joy there. and that is not what we see in
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The new testament. that's not what i see in the movie. that's
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It's not what i see paul paul talking about. you know, paul
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Experienced what you and i experienced. he had a view of
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Theology, of the story that made the issue, the bloodline
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Of the jew, the temple, the law and the land. those were the
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The foundations of his story. he thought it was all literal.
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He was actually putting people in prison who knew something
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Different. when he met jesus, he came. he came out later
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Saying, it's not the bloodline of abraham, it's the blood of
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Christ. and everybody who is has been washed in the blood of
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Christ to receive christ. you're the children of god and
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You get the promise. it's not the land, it's the world. jesus
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Didn't just buy that little piece of land over there. he
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Bought the whole world and gave it to us as inheritance. it's
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Not the the law, it is the spirit who who empowers us to
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Do what the law tells us to do that we can never do now. and
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It's not the temple. we don't all have to go to jerusalem.
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You are the temple. you are a living stone. and the temple,
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Well, he he had been in a lot of trouble because he believed
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That because he was telling a story that was taking away
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Something that was really precious to those who lived,
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That they they wanted to keep the old story. yeah. and so
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They accused him of blasphemy and whatever. yeah. i love how
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You tell tell the story. and the this is god's story. yeah.
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He gets the what? he he's the one that tells it. yes. jesus
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Is the one who tells the story. i remember my dad never really
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Spoke about the last the last days. and he was he was brought
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Up in the church of god. and then he went assemblies of god.
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And then he just came out all of it. and he said, you know
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What? i believe in a glorious church, and i believe in the
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Old nasty now. and now everybody's wanting to, you
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Know, wait to get to heaven to have victory. and he said, what
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Is the bride of christ? god is coming back for a glorious
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Church, a victorious church. and and then i got married, and
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Father was like the biggest dispensation i got married.
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That's now coming into a story. and then i heard in the heroes,
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You know, i was hearing i just came into a different world of
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Dispensation because. yeah, because brother hal was a very
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Close friend to my father in law. and so i saw these i saw
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Those posters up in the studios and stuff, you know, and i just
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Thought, man, i'm just trying to stay married and have kids
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And raise my kids. and now there's gog and magog and all
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The different things that i'm going to have to learn. and
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Where's the good news of the gospel? yeah. where is joy to
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The world? the lord has come. yeah. you know, and the good
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News, it was good. the gospel was good news. and that was
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That we can overcome because we have christ. and and i love, i
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Love, i love what you say. the scene in eden is god with us in
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Partnership. yeah. and then the new testament is the scene in
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The new testament is god as man revealed in jesus? as such, he
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Is emmanuel, god with us. and then after pentecost, the scene
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Is god in man. we are filled with the holy spirit. so if if
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Jesus actually if god sent the third part of the godhead to
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Live inside of us, and then we're all hiding, eating beans
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And rice in a dungeon, that doesn't sound right to me. i
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Agree, you know? and so when jesus, you know, on the cross
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Said, all power is mine. yeah. now you go do what i've called
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You to do, and i'm going with you. yeah. and so, so there was
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Such this dichotomy of all this bad news coming. pessimism has
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And hope and hope. and it was this big kind of hard thing to
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Understand. i love you. i just turned the same page. the scene
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In eden is god with man. then the scene in the new testament,
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God as man and then god in man. now where god is in us,
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Constant victory. wow. no matter what paul saying in
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Every circumstance, i am content because i know who's
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Writing the story. as kids, we were raised in this hellfire
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And brimstone kind of world. it was literally kind of literally.
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And again, every good preacher needs a illustrated sermon. but
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This chart that we're talking about, what i grew up in, this
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Is kind of what we all understood. this is this is the
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Charts that we saw. we had a chart. no, we didn't understand
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It. we were taught this is what we were raised in, you know,
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And and get a load of this. the, the screen back there. we had
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One in the tbn studio in studio c in tustin about the size of
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That screen back there. that's a big giant screen. big screen.
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We had a big old version of this thing hand-painted, and it
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Was a prized possession. okay, here's here's what everyone in
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The audience. so i kind of feel like, you know, everyone sees
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This and it throws up this kind of memory of not thinking to
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Ever be old enough to get married, you know, not being
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Old enough to have kids, for god's sakes. we're holding you
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Know, we held our grandchild last night, you know, and i
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Have gray hair. okay? i mean, i never thought it would. it
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Would progress this long. you know, my dad, when he passed
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Away in 2013, was scratching his head, going literally, like,
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I have i have something to talk to the lord about when i get
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There. it's what the heck, you know, is what was going on with
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This and what this chart was saying. and i have a very blunt
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Question for you, but that's the problem with being a
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Preacher and writing books. you have to answer these questions,
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Okay? everyone in the audience is going, yeah, we understand
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This story. we understand it. we grew up in the same thing.
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We don't disagree with anything you said about the holy spirit
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Being in us. we don't agree, but it's gonna get worse
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Because there's this, you know, i see a a little thing over
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Here, over my shoulder that that says six, six, six and
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Antichrist and, and and there's going to be, in essence, a
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Power rise up through a man and dispensational theology that we
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Grew up in. again, that was is going to take over. and so what
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About the antichrist? what about six, six, six? what about,
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You know, tribulations and earthquakes and and all of the
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Things that that we traditionally grew up thinking
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Was going to happen in originally 1988. here we are,
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2025. and guess what? we're all still here. okay. and so what
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About the things that we learned about as children and
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Young people? what about that? where's where's the antichrist
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In this story. where's the where's the the terrible things.
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And and if you if you don't put a sign on your forehead, you're
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Going to be laid over your heads, going to get cut off.
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Where's that in the story of surprising hope in the end
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Times. good questions. and and you're right. i would say this.
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If you got a humble heart, then you're willing to interpret the
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Scriptures. christocentric that is christ being the center.
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It's about him. and then you're willing to read the text of
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Scripture in context what the author was saying to the
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Original audience, realizing that all of them are relating
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To jesus in some way, then all of those pieces of the puzzle
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Will fit into the story. and but, but when? when people come
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And go, okay, in your story, you know, where is the where's
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The great tribulation? well, that would be kind of like you
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Coming to me and saying, hey, dudley, in the story about
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Cinderella, after she got that glass slipper, whose bed did
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She sleep in, though? daddy bear, daddy bear, daddy bear's
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Bed, or the waffle berry bed or baby bear's best say that
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Doesn't fit in the story. yeah, you got your stories mixed up.
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The great tribulation that the scripture talks about is the
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Tribulation jesus talked about in matthew 24. mark 13, luke
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2122. he's talking about a time when jerusalem, with all the
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Unbelieving jews who had rejected jesus for the final
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Time. he's talking about a time when jerusalem will be
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Destroyed with all the horrors that the human mind can have.
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Imagine we have record of what really did happen there through
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Not through scripture references, but through
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Josephus. some other historians who tell us what happened when
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Rome surrounded jerusalem, like jesus said. he said, you want
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To know the signs of the times. don't make it about earthquakes
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And wars and rumors of wars and famines. don't make it about
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That. those are birth dates. the sign you need to look for
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Is when the army surrounds jerusalem. that's the sign.
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That's the day you get all your belongings and you get out of
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Town. you come down off the roof, you get out of town
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Because that's the sign of the end, the end, not the end of
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The world. the end of the the old covenant era, the end of
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Judaism, as it was known then. and so, so, so that that fits
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Into the story. if you got your story right, it's like, okay,
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Let's just read matthew 24. in the context of what jesus is
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Saying. be honest with it. don't try to read stuff into it.
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Let it speak and let it tell you what happened, and you'll
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Realize that the great tribulation that he's referring
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To is a past event. so i don't have to worry about my
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Grandkids either. getting 66, six, 66 on their hands or
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Getting their head split open. i don't have to worry about
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That. i can pray over them over other issues, but that's not an
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Issue. and it's the same way with the other. the rapture,
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For instance. the paul deals with the the people in
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Thessalonica are worrying about some of their kinfolk that were
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Had that been saved, but they died. and so when jesus comes,
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Our, our are they going to be left? i mean, i mean, jesus
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Gone wrong through his people and all that, but what about
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Them? so so paul writes and says, no, no, when you're when
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Your friends and your relatives tend to christ, they replaced
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In christ by him, they are in him, which means wherever he is,
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That's where they are. one of these days, jesus is going to
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Come back, and when he comes back, they'll be in it. so
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He'll come back with the saints. they'll be in him. those who
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Are alive will be brought together, caught up with them.
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And then all the people of god, the dead and the alive now are
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Going to be with christ. and christ will rule through them.
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The pits. if you're into letting jesus be the last word
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And you're willing to interpret scripture in the context of
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What it's saying, the story makes sense for those seeking
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Clarity and understanding about the last days. dudley hall has
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Written at last surprising hope in the end times, focusing on
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God's plan of redemption for humanity. this book reminds us
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That jesus is the hero of a narrative stretching from the
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Garden of eden until today. there's no need to live in fear
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If we keep our focus on the promises revealed in the
00:29:33.984 --> 00:29:36.820
Scriptures and the hope of what is to come. available at amazon,
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Your local bookstore, or at trilogy of. so it feels like
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What we're debating is nothing essential about the cross,
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Which is the death, burial and resurrection of jesus. that's
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That is the heart that we all have to agree on. what we're
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What we're really debating here feels like is, you know, kind
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Of daniel's vision. and as some of the things that that created,
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You know, a dispensational view, whether matthew 24 is in the
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Future or in the past, and whether most of revelation is
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In the future or the past. so where, where, where do you fit
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Revelation into a surprising hope in the end times or
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Revelation? i think revelation is the last book of the story.
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Therefore it's a summation. it takes all the images and the
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Phrases and concepts of the whole bible and brings it to
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Fruition to show how in the in christ and his coming, his
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Being here, through his through his people and his final coming
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To consummate thing. how all that, all all that happens in
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The spirit realm. and so we're not talking about literal stuff
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In the future. we're talking about something that would have
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Made sense to the people in the churches of asia that he wrote
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To. would it make sense to the churches of asia to say, look,
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There's a lot of comfort. i want to give you 2000 plus
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Years from now, jesus is going to come back and do some stuff.
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But for now, he got to just hang on. that would have not
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Made any sense to the original audience. several times in the
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Book of revelation, he said, i'm writing to you about things
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That are soon to happen. it's going to happen quickly. so i
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Take revelation to be primarily that describing that which has
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Happened in christ on the cross and the resurrection and the
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Ascension, and in his rule through his people. so is there
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A 666 anti-christ in our future? no. is there a giant war with
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Nuclear weapons that we refer to as world war three in our
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Future? i don't know, but it's not prophesied in scripture. so
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What you're talking about in a surprising whole in the end
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Times is a simplified version of the future, which is guess
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What? jesus is coming back. yes, and he's coming back. and we
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All rule and reign. in the meantime, we're supposed to be
00:32:21.718 --> 00:32:26.356
Presenting his kingdom and the being, the light in the
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Darkness, the salt of the earth, preserving it. and he will
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Reign with us here on earth. yes, roughly. yeah. i think
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It's really important for us to to know this. jesus is coming
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Back. and when he comes back, somehow or another, i can't
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Wait for this. somehow or another, he's gonna make all
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Wrongs right. justice is going to rule the right. i'm so glad
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For that. because of all the injustice that we've had to
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Watch or endure ourselves. you know, the i think of the little
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Girls that are such trafficked and, you know, it's like, how
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Is god going to make that right? i don't know that he's god and
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He can. and the blood of jesus paid for his right to do
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Anything. he is going to make every wrong right now. if i
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Didn't believe that, i couldn't forgive people their sins. yeah,
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If i didn't believe that one day god is going to bring
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Justice. i couldn't live with injustice. i would have to do
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Something. i would take vengeance in my own hands cause
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I just. we can't live with it. we made the image of god. so we
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Want justice. so jesus is going to consummate things, but he's
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Not coming back to do the work of redemption. he's done that.
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There's nothing going to happen in the last coming of christ
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That is greater than what happened in the first coming.
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Wow. so the hope of the future is we continue to be light in a
00:34:05.655 --> 00:34:13.763
Dark world, and the lord is going to come back and finish
00:34:13.763 --> 00:34:17.734
This whole thing at some point. but until then, we represent
00:34:17.734 --> 00:34:23.173
Him with the power of the holy spirit that he left in us. what?
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What is it? it it says here in the in the garden. you know, if
00:34:27.343 --> 00:34:31.748
We're taking this in kind of a three part act here in the
00:34:31.748 --> 00:34:34.751
Garden, god is with man. god as man in the new testament. and
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At pentecost or after pentecost, god in man, god with man, god
00:34:40.757 --> 00:34:46.863
As man, god in man. that's what that's the phase we're in. so a
00:34:46.863 --> 00:34:53.636
Hope filled future says that most of what you know,
00:34:53.636 --> 00:34:59.843
Dispensationalism is built on is matthew 24 revelation. and
00:34:59.843 --> 00:35:04.848
Some of daniel. and those get kind of thrown into the future.
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And a hope filled eschatology says that's largely in the past
00:35:11.221 --> 00:35:16.893
Or is in the past. is that is that kind of because some
00:35:16.893 --> 00:35:20.864
People might be hearing some of this for the first time? is
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That kinda what you're saying? yeah, that's simplifying it
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Down. i think so, and it's magnifying the salvation that
00:35:26.102 --> 00:35:29.772
We now have. we should never put down the fact that god made
00:35:29.772 --> 00:35:34.744
It possible for us to share his life. we're not pretty big.
00:35:34.744 --> 00:35:37.780
Yeah. you know, adam and eve were sharing in the partnership
00:35:37.780 --> 00:35:42.652
With him. they walked and talked with god in the cool of
00:35:42.652 --> 00:35:46.556
The day in the language of genesis. but but in the
00:35:46.556 --> 00:35:49.092
Language of the new testament, we are in christ. christ is in
00:35:49.092 --> 00:35:52.729
Us. we are sharing his life. i share it and i share it in his
00:35:52.729 --> 00:35:57.734
Love. i share in his faith. so i am actually getting to live
00:35:57.734 --> 00:36:04.274
The eternal life now while we wait till the end. instead of
00:36:04.274 --> 00:36:08.044
The old pessimistic view of i got a ticket to heaven when i
00:36:08.044 --> 00:36:12.182
Prayed the right prayer and was baptized and things are going
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To be rough from now on and and just do the best you can. and i
00:36:17.120 --> 00:36:21.691
Don't mean to make light of that whole thing, but that that
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Is, that is, that is putting down the salvation that we have.
00:36:25.161 --> 00:36:31.367
Jesus said, christ in you, that's the hope of glory. the
00:36:31.367 --> 00:36:36.573
Hope of glory. yeah. and you know, and i wish i knew what
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Was mean. but, you know, it's been a question my whole
00:36:41.744 --> 00:36:45.615
Christian life. paul says, i am crucified with christ.
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Nevertheless i live yet not i, but christ lives in me. and the
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Life that i now live. i live by faith in the son of god, who
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Loved me and gave himself up. see the great. one of the
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Greatest days in my life was the day i realized i didn't
00:37:04.834 --> 00:37:08.838
Have to think about me all the time. you can take a vacation,
00:37:08.838 --> 00:37:13.276
But if you take yourself. you pretty much. it's old. but i
00:37:13.276 --> 00:37:16.980
Saw the salvation that jesus brought makes it possible for
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Me to think of something other than me. i can think of him. i
00:37:20.683 --> 00:37:25.121
Can think of the people that he loves, the things that he wants
00:37:25.121 --> 00:37:28.658
To do, the vision he has for the world. i can be creative. i,
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You know, i don't have to think, how am i looking? how am i
00:37:32.795 --> 00:37:35.999
Coming across? or do you like me? am i accepted? do i have
00:37:35.999 --> 00:37:40.136
Enough? i can, i can think about him. so that's the
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Salvation that we have now. we don't have to wait until heaven
00:37:43.439 --> 00:37:46.943
Or to the last coming of christ at last. surprising hope in the
00:37:46.943 --> 00:37:53.950
End times. okay, dudley, there's information on the
00:37:53.950 --> 00:37:58.154
Screen. this book is available. all the information is on the
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Screen. the the the the takeaway is that there are men
00:38:02.091 --> 00:38:10.700
And women who love jesus, who have interpreted scripture that
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The hero moment, the culmination moment of humanity,
00:38:17.140 --> 00:38:22.345
Was jesus taking our place, redeeming us back to god,
00:38:22.345 --> 00:38:27.850
Empowering us with the holy spirit that raised him from the
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Dead. and that's the good news, that then basically after that,
00:38:32.588 --> 00:38:39.162
We live and build his kingdom. that he said was at hand, and
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We go into a future knowing that there's this amazing
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Moment of his second return. but it's not going to be more
00:38:48.871 --> 00:38:52.775
Amazing than his first death, his first appearance. he
00:38:52.775 --> 00:38:58.414
Literally solved it at the cross. he said, it is finished.
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What did he say he was? he came to do seek and save the lost.
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Destroy the works of the devil. then he said, it's finished.
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Yeah. so all power has been given unto him in heaven and
00:39:10.059 --> 00:39:14.130
The earth. he said, all power has been given unto me in
00:39:14.130 --> 00:39:17.967
Heaven and the earth. therefore go make disciples of nations.
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And lo, i'm with you to the end of the age. so we have been
00:39:20.803 --> 00:39:26.409
Anticipating, based upon something we grew up in, which
00:39:26.409 --> 00:39:29.879
Was this hellfire and brimstone kind of vibe, which ended up,
00:39:29.879 --> 00:39:35.985
In one sense, creating these kind of charts that you see
00:39:35.985 --> 00:39:40.356
Kind of popping up here behind us that talked about daniel,
00:39:40.356 --> 00:39:46.329
Matthew 24, and most of the book of revelation, as in the
00:39:46.329 --> 00:39:51.801
Future, the and there are christians that love jesus
00:39:51.801 --> 00:39:56.773
Around the world that interpret scripture, that say, not all of
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This, you know, kind of dispensational chart that was
00:40:02.945 --> 00:40:08.284
Largely created by john darby in the 1800s, that there is a
00:40:08.284 --> 00:40:15.124
Simplified version of what we're talking about, which is
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We are empowered. we have the holy spirit living in us, and
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We have, you know, basically, at last, hope in the end times.
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That's kind of what we're saying, that we aren't looking
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To lay our heads over on a chopping block and get killed
00:40:36.879 --> 00:40:40.917
If we don't, you know, deny christ or looking for his
00:40:40.917 --> 00:40:45.822
Kingdom. yes. increasing and increasing until, as daniel
00:40:45.822 --> 00:40:53.629
Says, or and the interpretation of the dream says, his kingdom
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Fills the whole earth, it it grows into a mountain, and it
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Fills the whole earth. that is hope for the end times. is that
00:41:02.638 --> 00:41:07.944
Basically what you're writing about here? yeah. you shouldn't
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Write in the book. actually, you did a great job with the
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With the forward. so thank you for doing that. yeah. you're
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Welcome. and you really did. yeah. it's just an introductory
00:41:19.222 --> 00:41:22.124
Piece. yeah i'm such a great writer. i love you steve. so
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Surprising hope in the end times. give the final word on
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This, okay. just kind of wrap it up for me. give your final
00:41:33.302 --> 00:41:38.674
Thoughts on hope in the end times, and pray for people that
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Might be going, oh lordy, what in the world did i just hear?
00:41:44.180 --> 00:41:49.785
And how am i supposed to deal with all this? and you know,
00:41:49.785 --> 00:41:53.923
You know, there was a there was a, a very good movie made one
00:41:53.923 --> 00:41:58.127
Time. i won't say what the movie, but there's a pretzel in
00:41:58.127 --> 00:42:00.830
My head, you know, i mean, somebody's got a pretzel in
00:42:00.830 --> 00:42:04.000
Their head right now because they know what those charts
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.836
Look like. they wanted to believe they understood them.
00:42:06.836 --> 00:42:10.072
And all of a sudden, we've simplified this down to,
00:42:10.072 --> 00:42:14.243
There's a there's a doorway. his name is jesus. he gets all
00:42:14.243 --> 00:42:18.581
The glory for everything. and his second coming is not going
00:42:18.581 --> 00:42:21.884
To trump his first coming. the first coming was the hero
00:42:21.884 --> 00:42:24.787
Moment of all time. and his second coming is to just
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Embrace us all and live with us in eternity. so look, give the
00:42:28.758 --> 00:42:32.862
Final word you wrote it and and and then pray for people
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Because i promise you they need it right now. so let me just
00:42:37.633 --> 00:42:41.671
Say this. i totally identify with people who are saying i
00:42:41.671 --> 00:42:46.008
Had something that that gave me some security. at least i all
00:42:46.008 --> 00:42:49.645
My friends believed and i believed it. and now you're
00:42:49.645 --> 00:42:52.949
Taking it away and and i don't want you to take it away. i get
00:42:52.949 --> 00:42:56.686
That. that's why when jesus came and preached the gospel,
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He said, there are three aspects to the gospel. time is
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Fulfilled. the kingdom is here. you gotta repent. repentance in
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That case, and that content is not talking about your sins.
00:43:11.167 --> 00:43:13.803
It's talking about your perspective of reality. jesus
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Is here now. he's fulfilled things. things are different.
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And so i'm asking you to consider repentance. consider
00:43:22.678 --> 00:43:28.751
Saying i might have been wrong. maybe i didn't have the full
00:43:28.751 --> 00:43:31.854
Picture and and take take the risk to let another view. take
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The place of that. that's repentance. you're changing
00:43:41.697 --> 00:43:45.134
Your mind. and as you do, i promise you this. my promise is
00:43:45.134 --> 00:43:50.339
Not any good. but i probably should have you. the bible will
00:43:50.339 --> 00:43:55.878
Come alive to you in a way that you've never known before. you
00:43:55.878 --> 00:43:59.181
Know, as you're going to start meeting the living word on
00:43:59.181 --> 00:44:03.052
Every page, and the gospel is going to become better news to
00:44:03.052 --> 00:44:07.890
You than it's ever been, you're going to be like the old song
00:44:07.890 --> 00:44:11.861
That we sang, those i love to tell the story for those who
00:44:11.861 --> 00:44:15.865
Know it best. same hungering and thirsting for your likeness.
00:44:15.865 --> 00:44:20.436
You'll be one of those. and salvation is going to become so
00:44:20.436 --> 00:44:25.708
Majestic to you that you're going to want to tell everybody
00:44:25.708 --> 00:44:28.978
You see about you're going to you're going to be like one of
00:44:28.978 --> 00:44:32.915
Those zealots that you thought was crazy, running around
00:44:32.915 --> 00:44:35.918
Saying, you won't believe what god has done in christ jesus.
00:44:35.918 --> 00:44:41.157
So give it a chance. it's good news. the gospel is good news.
00:44:41.157 --> 00:44:45.861
It is not motivated by fear. it is the release of love and the
00:44:45.861 --> 00:44:52.001
Reason the kingdom of god will win and is winning. that is
00:44:52.001 --> 00:44:58.040
Because it's the only nation whose power is in giving life
00:44:58.040 --> 00:45:03.846
Rather than taking life. the reason all the nations existed
00:45:03.846 --> 00:45:08.951
Was they had the power to kill and raise up armies. they would
00:45:08.951 --> 00:45:13.089
Kill enough enemy that they could rule. jesus kingdom rules
00:45:13.089 --> 00:45:18.694
With the power to give life. wow. so that's my last word.
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Let me pray for you. father, i thank you so much that you have
00:45:22.932 --> 00:45:28.104
Not left us in our childhood, nor have you left us in our own
00:45:28.104 --> 00:45:33.809
Deception, nor have you left us in our own irresponsibility. i
00:45:33.809 --> 00:45:37.680
Thank you that you love us enough to give us a chance of
00:45:37.680 --> 00:45:41.117
Opening our eyes and seeing how much more beautiful you are
00:45:41.117 --> 00:45:45.321
Than we thought, and how much more glorious you are than we
00:45:45.321 --> 00:45:49.225
Imagine, and that your salvation included a whole lot
00:45:49.225 --> 00:45:52.895
More than we ever thought possible. and i thank you for
00:45:52.895 --> 00:45:56.866
Giving us that opportunity of repentance. and i pray for all
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Of those who feel something in their heart right now that says,
00:46:01.904 --> 00:46:05.808
I want to try that. i believe that's true. i'm glad somebody
00:46:05.808 --> 00:46:10.846
Finally said some things that i've wondered about. i'm
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Praying for them right now, father, and i'm praying that
00:46:14.717 --> 00:46:17.753
You would draw them to you. and would you today give them a
00:46:17.753 --> 00:46:21.957
Token of what it means to look through the eyes of jesus and
00:46:21.957 --> 00:46:26.061
To see scripture, the way he sees it. i pray that the story
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Would become precious. so precious that that it would be
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Told over and over again as all of us learn to live it. so i
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Bless those who are listening. in the name of jesus, amen,
00:46:39.708 --> 00:46:44.747
Amen. surprising hope in the end of times is written by
00:46:44.747 --> 00:46:49.718
Dudley hoff. easy read and beautiful. it's beautiful. lori
00:46:49.718 --> 00:46:54.790
And i were reading read most of the book last night together
00:46:54.790 --> 00:46:58.828
And and i want to tell you a personal testimony just real
00:46:58.828 --> 00:47:02.932
Quick. i just want to tell you something real quick. i about
00:47:02.932 --> 00:47:07.436
I'm going to call it 25 years ago. i'm a it could be 20, it
00:47:07.436 --> 00:47:12.708
Could be 15 said that. i get a phone call from my mom and she
00:47:12.708 --> 00:47:21.083
Says, your dad and i have something more important to do.
00:47:21.083 --> 00:47:24.587
We can't go into the studio and host young lori, run in there
00:47:24.587 --> 00:47:28.757
And do that show. i said, who are the guests? and one of them
00:47:28.757 --> 00:47:33.729
Was hylton's son, and i knew hylton to be a a dispensational
00:47:33.729 --> 00:47:38.767
Teacher and, and and all that. and i, i remember thinking, oh,
00:47:38.767 --> 00:47:43.706
Man, i, i feel overwhelmed. i, you know, my dad should really
00:47:43.706 --> 00:47:47.843
Do that show. i shouldn't, you know, i don't know that much
00:47:47.843 --> 00:47:51.614
About it. and, and, and i don't like bad news and, and i just
00:47:51.614 --> 00:47:55.885
Kind of had a kind of a, you know, intimidated attitude
00:47:55.885 --> 00:47:58.787
About it. and hylton sat across from me sitting in the miami
00:47:58.787 --> 00:48:03.993
Studio one, and he said he started getting into the whole
00:48:03.993 --> 00:48:08.097
Six, six, six thing, and he started doing this. and then he
00:48:08.097 --> 00:48:12.268
Said, you know. but you know that the reign of the
00:48:12.268 --> 00:48:16.872
Antichrist is only gonna encompass about one quarter of
00:48:16.872 --> 00:48:22.511
The world. and i went, what? you know, like, you gotta be
00:48:22.511 --> 00:48:28.684
Kidding me. he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, it's it's gonna be a
00:48:28.684 --> 00:48:31.887
Limited thing. and, you know, now, look, i don't remember
00:48:31.887 --> 00:48:35.958
What he said, but i remember he said that to me. well, the only
00:48:35.958 --> 00:48:40.262
Thing i remember about that moment was thinking, well,
00:48:40.262 --> 00:48:44.767
That's good news. that's really good news. if if the, if the
00:48:44.767 --> 00:48:48.904
Antichrist is only gonna have control over, like, a corner of
00:48:48.904 --> 00:48:52.174
The world, that means i have a 75% chance of not having to
00:48:52.174 --> 00:48:56.278
Deal with it, you know, i mean, i and that's 20 years ago. and
00:48:56.278 --> 00:49:00.883
My heart lifted. yeah. deadly. i mean, now i'm telling you,
00:49:00.883 --> 00:49:06.855
Lifted. i was thrilled that i had encountered hilton sutton,
00:49:06.855 --> 00:49:12.895
Who had a different view than hal lindsey or delay or, you
00:49:12.895 --> 00:49:18.000
Know, my dad or, you know, anybody. and and i remember
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:22.037
Being so excited that i had a 75% chance of not having to
00:49:22.037 --> 00:49:28.877
Deal with what traditional dispensational
00:49:28.877 --> 00:49:33.382
Dispensationalism had taught. what we're talking about now is
00:49:33.382 --> 00:49:39.154
100% chance, you know, we're going. so i'm only going from
00:49:39.154 --> 00:49:43.859
75% to 100. i'm only having to move 25% here. but but a lot of
00:49:43.859 --> 00:49:49.565
People have gone from 0 to 100 right here on this show,
00:49:49.565 --> 00:49:53.202
Because we're talking about surprising hope in the end
00:49:53.202 --> 00:49:56.805
Times that there is a return of christ coming. yes. and in the
00:49:56.805 --> 00:50:00.809
Last few days of my dad's life, i ask him a question. deadly. i
00:50:00.809 --> 00:50:05.781
Said, dad, go in your mind to dispensationalism and post-trib
00:50:05.781 --> 00:50:13.022
Thinking i know you don't believe post-trib, but just go
00:50:13.022 --> 00:50:16.725
There for a moment. i said, what do post-trib and the
00:50:16.725 --> 00:50:19.928
Second coming of the lord be the same thing? anyway? yeah,
00:50:19.928 --> 00:50:24.867
Probably. so the idea that there is a return coming to
00:50:24.867 --> 00:50:32.808
Make all things right, to solve all injustice, to live and
00:50:32.808 --> 00:50:38.247
Dwell with us, glorified bodies and all of that kind of stuff
00:50:38.247 --> 00:50:42.317
That we hear about is coming. but the idea that the horrors
00:50:42.317 --> 00:50:49.058
Of matthew 24, the horrors of revelation, are representing
00:50:49.058 --> 00:50:56.365
The old, the end of the old covenant is the surprising hope
00:50:56.365 --> 00:51:01.203
That some people are hearing for the first time. some people
00:51:01.203 --> 00:51:05.140
Are hearing that now, dudley, i thought that was your last word,
00:51:05.140 --> 00:51:10.179
But this is technically i have something to say. have another
00:51:10.179 --> 00:51:13.849
Last word to go ahead. what's your last word? i just know
00:51:13.849 --> 00:51:16.785
That when jesus said, i have all power and that i give it to
00:51:16.785 --> 00:51:21.790
You, that we have the holy spirit living on the inside of
00:51:21.790 --> 00:51:24.860
Us. and if we pray and you're so deadly, i love you. you are
00:51:24.860 --> 00:51:29.798
So graceful. and and this is never to be an in-your-face,
00:51:29.798 --> 00:51:37.172
Dividing, dividing thing ever. i just know that when we start
00:51:37.172 --> 00:51:43.579
Thinking unreally what jesus said, the timing of it all,
00:51:43.579 --> 00:51:48.750
That he has filled us, everything that pertains to
00:51:48.750 --> 00:51:51.854
Life and godliness is our have already, and that i have the
00:51:51.854 --> 00:51:56.725
Victory and that i have the overcoming holy spirit that
00:51:56.725 --> 00:52:00.929
Helps me overcome anything. yes, and that the hope of glory is
00:52:00.929 --> 00:52:04.833
On the inside of us. there is nothing to fear, and that we
00:52:04.833 --> 00:52:08.770
Have the power of god on the inside of us to accomplish what
00:52:08.770 --> 00:52:12.975
Jesus has put us on the planet to do, and that his kingdom
00:52:12.975 --> 00:52:17.012
Come, his will be done. he didn't take his kingdom back to
00:52:17.012 --> 00:52:20.782
Heaven with us. he left here on earth. and so we're here
00:52:20.782 --> 00:52:23.852
Sharing the good news of the gospel, making disciples of all
00:52:23.852 --> 00:52:28.323
Nations. go do your thing because he is with us. no, i'm
00:52:28.323 --> 00:52:32.895
With you even to the end of the year. that is good news. good.
00:52:32.895 --> 00:52:36.665
Last word. okay, well, that's the last word. i'm done. we'll
00:52:36.665 --> 00:52:40.736
Have weisselberg.
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For those seeking clarity and
00:53:02.157 --> 00:53:04.660
Understanding about the last days, dudley hall has written
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At last surprising hope in the end times, focusing on god's
00:53:07.829 --> 00:53:12.634
Plan of redemption for humanity. this book reminds us that jesus
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Is the hero of a narrative stretching from the garden of
00:53:15.971 --> 00:53:20.108
Eden until today. there's no need to live in fear if we keep
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Our focus on the promises revealed in the scriptures and
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The hope of what is to come. available at amazon, your local
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Bookstore, or at trilogy.
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