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Erwin McManus: Seven Frequencies of Communication | Praise

October 9, 2025 | 56:58

Erwin Raphael McManus takes viewers on a journey to understanding the different frequencies of communication that exist within individuals. Through relatable examples and insights, the author explores how these frequencies impact relationships, personal growth, and even spiritual connection. With a focus on transforming the way we communicate with others, the book offers a fresh perspective on human connection, challenging readers to embrace authenticity, understand different frequencies, and ultimately improve their relationships and interactions.

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Coming up tonight on praise...
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What humans long for is human connection.
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You speak italian or do you
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Speak french or do you speak korean?
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No. i listen to human frequencies and i can actually
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Understand what people are saying just by paying attention
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To the frequencies.
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Why did you even call them frequencies?
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What is a frequency?
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Even jesus in john 10 saying, my sheep hear my voice.
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They know my voice, know the voice.
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Will they follow?
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Is that a reason for so much of the breakdown in relationships,
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Because people don't hear the
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Frequency of the person speaking?
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Yes. and because we think everyone should speak at our
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Frequency. the truth in the scriptures will change your
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Life, but will really change your life
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Is hearing god's voice through the scriptures.
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It just seems like the frequency that the world is
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Getting from a lot of us is just this anger and this
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Polarization, and that we have now defined god by what he
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Stands against as opposed to who he is.
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Yeah. if you're not listening to god's voice and what he has
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Spoken to you in the word, you're not going to be able to
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Hear his voice when he's speaking to you in the world.
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I think it's a very challenging moment for several reasons,
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Not just the church, but the culture.
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You don't have to be perfect.
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You just have to be authentic.
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Yeah. that's terrifying to a lot of people.
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Tonight on praise from dallas, best selling author, speaker,
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And cultural architect, erwin mcmanus.
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And now your host, sheila walsh.
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Hey, welcome to praise.
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I'm really glad you're here with us tonight.
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So this is going to be a very interesting program.
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I want you to really lean in and listen.
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Like, if your wife's in the kitchen making dinner,
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Just tell her to come on in.
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You'll eat later. or the kids are upstairs,
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Tell them to come down
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Because one of the things we're going to look at tonight is how
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We communicate with one another.
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You know, do you ever feel as if you and your husband kind of
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Miss each other, or you say something to your wife and you
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Meant it purely as a simple statement, and she read it
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Somewhere totally different, and we react to one another.
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Um, what about with your kids?
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You know, you've got three children.
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They've all been brought up in the same house, but they all
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Respond so differently.
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Part of that is because the way god has designed us to
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Communicate with one another, and someone who has studied
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This for so many years and has written it in this book called
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The seven frequencies of communication
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Is our guest tonight.
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You're going to just love him.
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His name is erwin raphael mcmanus.
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So welcome to the program.
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And just off the top, just give us a couple of ideas of what
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We're going to dive into.
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Well, one, it' so wonderful to be here.
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You're one of my favorite people, sheila.
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You're just so
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Incredible as a human being. thank you.
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And a great communicator.
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And i think that's really the key of this book is that
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Human beings long for connection.
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So much of everything we do, whether healthy or unhealthy,
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It's our tension with we long for intimacy and are terrified
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By intimacy, and the only way we ever make deep human
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Connections is learning how to communicate. the word
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Communication comes from the same word as community, as the
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Same word as communion.
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And when we learn how to communicate, we begin to build
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Community and we move toward the experience of communion.
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Sometimes i get the privilege of reading a lot of books, and
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I always read the book of a guest because i think, you
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Know, you're flying across the country.
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The least i could do is read your book.
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Oh, thank you.
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And sometimes i look at book and think, oh, this is going to
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Be amazing.
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And sometimes it's not quite as
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Weighty as you hope it would be.
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This one i picked up and thought, what on earth?
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And it was completely the opposite.
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I didn't expect to love this book as much as i loved this
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Book, so i was just wondering, what was the genesis
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Of this for you? where did this start?
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Well, it goes back really even several years where my wife,
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Kim, i've been married almost 42 years, and she has really
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Begged me for years and years
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And years to teach on communication.
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And i just never-- i just never did.
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And i think some of it is i consider communication to be
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Something very sacred. yeah.
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And so i didn't want to dissect it.
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I felt like it was doing an autopsy on a living thing.
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And so i was always really resistant.
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But then my son came to me a few years ago and said, dad, i
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Want you to create a master class on communication.
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And i said, what? what do you mean?
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He goes, well, i want to start a company around communication.
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I think this is your unique contribution.
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And i want to build it.
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And, and i said, well, what exactly is your thought?
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He goes, i want you to put together a teaching course, a
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Master class, and i'm going to sell it.
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And i thought, no one's going to buy that class.
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So i said, you can have 50% of all the profit.
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So i went in and did a six hour master class on communication,
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The art of communication.
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And frankly, within a month, i think he, he sold over
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A half $1 million of master classes.
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And i was actually shocked, to be perfectly frank.
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And i, i really realized that i
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Gave him way too large of a percentage.
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Let's revisit. that.
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And of course, you know, it sounds like a lot of
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Money, except it never made it my way.
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But what i discovered was that there was a real hunger in
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The world to know how to communicate.
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But i realized it's not that.
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What humans long for is human connection.
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Right. and without
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Communication, you can't have connection.
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So then were building on this, and my son said, can you
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Give us a 15 minute gift just to give away to people?
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So i went home on friday, i think it was.
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And i said, you know what?
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What teaching could i give people in a 15 minute,
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You know, video series?
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And i just started praying and opening up my, my soul.
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And the way i write books is i, i can't hardly explain it.
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I, i hear the book, it just it comes to me and it's kind of a
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Cliche, but it does feel like a divine download.
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Yeah. you know, in that way.
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And i couldn't sleep for three days.
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Wow. um, i mean, i did not go to sleep.
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My wife was like, what's wrong with you?
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She woke up at four in the morning.
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I was in cold sweats.
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I was just writing and writing and writing, and i was seeing
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The frequencies and i could hear them.
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And by the time i got there on monday, they said, okay, you
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Know, let's film the 15 minute thing.
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And it was a six hour master class called the seven
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Frequencies of communication.
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And i heard the first five very easily, but the last two took
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A lot of work.
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And i realized that number six that identified was one of
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The closest frequencies to me.
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But i still felt there's something missing.
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The seventh frequency is my primary frequency, and i
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Couldn't see it, or i couldn't hear it, because it's not a
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Way of speaking. it is who i am.
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Wow. and so a huge part of this was trying to break down
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40 years of observation, of learning how people
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Communicate, of traveling to around 100 countries around the
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World, of diving into different
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Cultures and, and in different languages.
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And i speak multiple languages.
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And so that's a part of that dynamic.
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And for years i would experiment.
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My kids would be so embarrassed. my wife too.
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I'd go to different countries.
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I'd i eavesdrop on people in
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Cafes speaking different languages.
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Then i'd go up to them and say, did you just say this?
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And did you just say this?
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And pretty close to 100% of the time they would say, yes.
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Do you speak italian or do you
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Speak french or do you speak korean?
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And i go, no, i listen to human frequencies and i can actually
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Understand what people are saying just by paying attention
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To the frequency.
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So i, i, i had been exploring this for decades
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Without even realizing it.
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So it's one of those things where i spent five decades
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Studying this and then three days downloading it and
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Then realizing god just gave me something that was unexpected.
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If i've ever written a book where i felt like god just sort
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Of like handed it to me and said, i want you to take this
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To the world, it's this book.
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Wow. it's very, very different.
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Um, i don' think i can take credit.
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I didn't invent something, i discovered something.
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It's very, very different.
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Yeah. and honestly, i got that reading the book.
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But for betty, who's sitting at home now in minneapolis,
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Thinking, why did you even call him frequencies,
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What is a frequency?
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I know, and betty's probably like my wife,
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Kim. honey, you use all the wrong language.
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You use all the language that terrifies christians, you know?
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And, uh, but if you want to step back on a, like, a cosmic
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Level, uh, the bible says that god spoke and said,
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Let there be light.
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Yeah. and that voice is a frequency.
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And that frequency created the entire universe.
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And even now, scientists who study the inception of the
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Universe say that there is what they would call a quantum
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Fluctuation, a vibration that had to exist before matter
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Existed, which is actually a scientific way of identifying
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That there was a voice that
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Spoke before matter came into existence.
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And so i actually think that frequencies are the language
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Of the scriptures. we just didn't know it.
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We just didn't have the frequency to hear it.
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It's always been there.
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Even jesus in john ten saying that my sheep hear my voice.
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They know my voice, know the voice, for they follow.
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He's actually talking about a frequency.
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Wow. and then all the way back to genesis, where, you
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Know, the serpent speaks to adam and eve. like you--
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In the book, there's a section on shadow frequencies.
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The dark side. the dark side of each frequency.
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And you can see that narrative all the way through the bible.
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So i use the word frequency because i actually think humans
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Operate on a frequency.
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And, and i think even the universe does as a whole, the
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Way god created everything.
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If you have a pet, you can see it in the most simple way.
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It's our dog's 12th birthday today.
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Okay, so i share that.
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So you think your dog understands you, but your dog
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Understands frequencies because when you speak to your dog in a
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Kind frequency and you say you're the dumbest dog in the
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World, you have no value, they still--
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They're still wagging their tail.
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And if you yelled at them and said, i love you, you're the
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Most beautiful dog in the world.
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But you said it in a different frequency,
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They would feel like you're reprimanding them.
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Wow. because animals don't speak our language.
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They don't speak english or spanish or whatever it is.
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They actually speak frequencies.
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And if animal can understand frequency, how much more
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Does a human being?
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And what i would say to betty is your marriage doesn't
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Survive because you hear what your husband says.
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Your marriage survives because you hear the frequency in which
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You're saying it. wow.
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And the reason so many people have--
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Is that a reason for so much of the breakdown in relationships,
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Because people don't hear the frequency of who's speaking?
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Yes. and because we think
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Everyone should speak at our frequency.
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Oh.
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And so a huge part of writing this book isn't just about
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Understanding the frequency from which you speak, but to be
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Able to understand the frequency from which
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Other people speak. wow.
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And to be able to process that frequency properly.
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And so in the book, there are
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Seven frequencies that i break down.
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And those are the seven dominant frequencies.
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Uh, and they're just the motivator, the challenger, the
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Commander, the healer, the
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Professor, the seer and the maven.
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And, uh, and just in a more personal way, um, my wife
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Kim, her number one frequency is a commander.
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And so everything my wife says to me is always a command.
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It's always a very directive.
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It's always logistical, like, do this move from here
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And move to there.
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And, you know, 40 plus years of marriage,
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Every night she'll say to me two things.
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I'll say, i love you, honey.
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And she'll say, lock the doors and turn off the lights.
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And, and it would be really easy to be offended.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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By a frequency of continuous command
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Except that i reinterpret all that.
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So when she says lock the doors and turn off the lights, what
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She's saying is, i trust you to keep me safe.
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Yeah. and to take responsibility
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For everything we have.
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I have this kind of ongoing conversation relationship with
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Where i go and get my hair done. there's two guys and i really
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Love them and they're very different.
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They're very creative.
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And we talk a lot about-- like, if i write a book, i'll
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Often i'll sign it and give it
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To them and we'll talk about it.
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We talk really honestly about
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What makes sense and what doesn't.
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And so one of them asked me the other day, so when it comes to
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Praying, how do you hear god's voice?
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Which i think is a great question.
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Um, and he said, because my personal belief is that, um, we
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Throw things out into the
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Universe and then we manifest it.
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And so i talked to them about the fact that, yeah, that
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Through god's word, i feel god speaks to me through his word.
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I feel it all the time.
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I mean, it's like i'll-- every morning i'll take my dog maggie
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Out for a walk and, and we'll talk about things, you know,
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But with, with the lord, this conversation that god
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Wants to communicate.
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And i think that's what everybody these guys, even
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Though they think some of my stuff's nuts,
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I think it's what we're all longing for, to know that there
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Is a god and he wants to talk to us.
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I think there also happens with
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Those of us who do believe in jesus.
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Oh yeah, that's true.
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Because a lot of times we try to control the conversation
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Between us and god rather than
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Allow god to actually lead that conversation.
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And even with the frequencies, i said, a lot of
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Times we want god to be a healer when what it really he
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Needs for us to be is a challenger.
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And sometimes we want god to be a motivator.
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But what we really need is for god to be a commander.
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Wow. and so what happens sometimes is when god's
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Speaking to us in a particular frequency, and we insist on
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Only hearing a different
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Frequency, god seems silent to us.
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So what would you say to somebody who says, i want to
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Hear the voice of god, but i don't know how to hear the
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Voice of god?
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Well, i mean practically, that's why the bible to me
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Is so important. yeah.
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My understanding of the scriptures is, you know, the
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The truths in the scriptures will change your life, but will
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Really change your life
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Is hearing god's voice through the scriptures, because then
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You can identify his voice when you don't have the scriptures.
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And if you're not listening to god's voice in what he's spoken
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To you in the word, you're not going to be able to hear his
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Voice, what he's speaking to you in the world.
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Wow. and so i think the bible actually tunes us in
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To hearing god's voice.
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I remember, i mean, i was brought up in a little baptist
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Church on the west coast of scotland and went to seminary
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When i was 19.
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Did all the-- because i was trained to be a missionary,
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Because i was a baptist, and that was my only option, was
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To be a missionary because i was a woman.
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Um, but the place where i heard the voice of god most
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Clearly was when my life crashed and i ended up in a
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Psychiatric hospital.
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And i remember that very first night, someone coming into my
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Room and putting this, something you give a child like a little
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Stuffed lamb into my hands and walking out and just turning
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And saying to me,
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Sheila, the shepherd knows where to find you.
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And at the place where i felt-- my dad took his own life in a
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Psych hospital-- the place where i felt was going to be the end
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Of everything, and that god was no longer pleased with me and
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That god was done with me,
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I felt i heard the voice of god clearer there than anywhere.
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Mm. that is so beautiful.
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And that is so consistent to the way god always works
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In our lives.
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You know, if you use the language of frequencies, he
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Knows what frequency we need in that moment.
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Yeah. and it is interesting to me that your dominant
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Frequency, because you took the assessment--
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And by the way, it's not a test because you can't fail it.
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All right. and it's an assessment.
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It helps you identify yourself, understand yourself. your
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Dominant frequencies healer, which shouldn't surprise you
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And anyone who listens to you and the
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Frequency you send into the world is that you're safe here.
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You can find healing here.
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You don't have to hide your brokenness.
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You don't have to hide your wounds.
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Um, we're going to also invade your soul.
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Yeah. in the hidden, broken places.
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And help you bring light to it so that you can be healed.
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Wow. so it shouldn't surprise you that god met you when your
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Frequency was in a context where it was so dominant that
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You needed healing in your life. yeah, absolutely.
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When i first came to america, the thing that blew me away--
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Because i was born in scotland, the thing that blew me away
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Was just churches everywhere.
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You know, just churches everywhere.
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Different denominations, different churches.
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And yet when i look at where we're at the moment in the
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World, it just seems like the frequency that the world is
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Getting from a lot of us is just this anger and this
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Polarization, and that we have now defined god by what he
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Stands against as opposed to who he is.
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Yeah. um, what do you think
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About where we find ourselves today?
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Yeah, i think it's a very challenging moment because for
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Several reasons, not just the church, but the culture.
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One of the things that happened as i wrote this book is at
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First i did not identify what
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In the book are called shadow frequencies.
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I didn't have that in my first pass.
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What ended up happening is i lead a business mastermind
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Called the arena, and they meet with me online every week.
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And i said, give me two tv shows and i'll break them down
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Based on the frequencies.
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So they picked friends, which is a classic, and they picked a
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More contemporary show called
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Succession, which is a very dark.
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Yeah. and so i picked succession.
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So i went in and watched the pilot of succession and
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Couldn't find a single frequency.
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Wow. and i almost had a panic attack going,
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It doesn't work. yikes.
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Not only did i not find all seven frequencies, i
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Didn't find one.
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And so i stepped back and i was a little nervous.
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And i thought, what am i going to tell my, my, my
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Mastermind next week? and, and i heard this little
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Voice that said, listen for the shadows.
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Wow. and identified the shadows
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Of every single one of the frequencies.
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And then i went in and watched the show.
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And there are seven characters, and they have seven
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Frequencies, but they only operate from the shadows.
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Wow. and the reason i highlight that is that we have a
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Generation that's being taught
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To communicate only from their shadows.
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And they think the shadows are the normative way of
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Communicating with each other, which is why we have so much
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Loneliness, so much disconnection, so much
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Conflict, and so much inability to understand each other.
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And then i started-- when the book went out, i had a lot of,
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Um, a lot of ceos, a lot of business people, a lot of
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Entrepreneurs who would send me notes and say when i read the
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Frequencies, i couldn't see myself.
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But when i read the shadows, i saw myself completely.
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That' scary. it is scary.
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And it really relates to the church as well.
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Yeah.
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It's easier to operate from a shadow.
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What it cannot tell you--
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I wish i could say this.
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Shadows will not make you unsuccessful.
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Shadows can make you very successful.
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Which is the worst part of that. that's right.
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And so if you're looking for a validation that the shadows are
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Bad based on success, it's not going to work because people
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Succeed in the shadows.
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But you don't find wholeness and health and fulfillment
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In the shadows.
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And frankly, a lot of christianity, even, um, because
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Of our own brokenness-- you know, we don't suddenly become
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Pastors or leaders or whatever we are.
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And our whole-- a lot of times we're on the journey toward
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Wholeness, and talent overrides character.
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Yeah. and so the talent of the person speaking from the shadow
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Is more powerful than the long, painful process of letting a
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Person get healthy to speak from their light.
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Okay. so if you're just joining me and you're like, what on
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Earth are you guys talking about?
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My guest tonight is erwin raphael mcmanus.
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And this book, the seven frequencies of communication.
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I have to tell you this, even though it's not a huge book, i
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Couldn't just flip through it, you know?
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I had to-- it's one of those kind of
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Books that you have to stop and think.
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But then i also went online and i watched a message you gave
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Because you pastor a church called mosaic in la.
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And i watched this message you
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Gave on jesus and the seven frequencies.
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And honestly, by the end of it, i was in tears.
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It really, it really impacted me.
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But i want touch on a couple of the things you talked about
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When you talk about jesus as the motivator.
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Like in matthew five when he's talking to this huge crowd
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And calls them salt and light.
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I think sometimes we don't hear what they heard because
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We think, well, sure, we're salt and light.
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We know that. we've read that in matthew.
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Well, that was a revolutionary message for those people,
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Wasn't it? it wasn't.
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It was so countercultural. yeah. yes.
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Thousands and thousands of people who don't have anything
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To do except follow him and listen.
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And so they're dominantly the unemployed.
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They're the outcasts. they're the throwaways.
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And they're, um, they're the very ones that a
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Rabbi should not be investing his time in.
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And he looks at these people that are seen as having no
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Value in society,
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He looks at them and says, you're the light of the world
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And you're the salt of the earth.
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And he begins to speak life into them.
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And i think sometimes we're not comfortable with that.
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We actually like condemning the world for some reason.
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Oh, i know that's our go-to.
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It's a go-to. yeah.
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And if someone looks at an unbeliever and says you're
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The light of the world or you're the salt of the earth,
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They go, you see, you're violating your--
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You're rejecting the gospel.
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You're not being true to the scriptures.
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But jesus looked at a multitude of people who probably had a
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Lot of criminal elements in there.
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That's fascinating. i never thought about that.
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And said, you're the light of the world and you're the
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Salt of the earth because jesus speaks into
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Our potential, he speaks into our value.
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He speaks into our intention or god's intention for us.
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And so he's pulling something out of them that isn't in them
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In that sense, at this time. they would not identify
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Themselves as light and salt.
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They would identify themselves as dirt.
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And so jesus is seeing something.
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And i think that frequency is so powerful because when we
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Get around a motivator frequency, we don't just grow
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In our belief in god or grow in our belief in jesus.
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We actually grow in our belief in ourselves.
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We actually go, oh, god can do this in me.
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Oh, you know, i have god-given potential.
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I have god-given talent.
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And a lot of times i think it's so sad because i think in
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Churches we thought we have to demean people to elevate god.
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We have to make people less so we can make god more.
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Wow. i don't need humans to be less.
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God doesn't need humans to be less.
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God created you in his image and likeness.
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Yeah, even you at your best still needs god.
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Oh gosh.
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That's why i would hear people say, yeah, but paul said,
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It's in my weakness that god is made strong.
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And i go, yeah, your greatest strength is still weakness in
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Relationship to god's strength.
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Yeah. you don't need to point to what's worst about you.
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Point to what's best about you,
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And you're still going to need god.
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Well, i thought was fascinating about that is, you know, that
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Matthew 11, the last two verses
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Come unto me, all who are weary.
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Um, when i read-- i've always loved those verses.
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I memorized them when i was a kid.
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But understanding what people who were listening that day,
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Who woke up every single day under the burden of the law,
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613 rules. i wrote down what it was,
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365 things not to do every single--
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So it was one for every day, and 248 things to do.
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So when jesus spoke to that crowd, they'd heard that
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They'd never heard anything like that?
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No. and they never saw god through the filter of that
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Kind of kindness,
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That kind of compassion, that god as their healer.
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Which is so odd because even my name raphael is, the lord
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Is our healer. oh, wow.
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And that's what raphael means.
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Rapha is healer. el is elohim.
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And so it's rooted in
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Hebrew theology that god is our healer.
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But religion forgets who god really is and creates a god
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That they want to control people with.
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And so when jesus is saying to
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Them, you know, my burden is light,
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You know when he says, come to me, all of you who are weary
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And heavy laden, saying, i'm going to take this burden off
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Of you that people put on you in god's name.
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And i'm going to take it off of you in god's name.
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Wow. and what i think is really beautiful is to realize
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That jesus is using these different frequencies because
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He's speaking to different people in different situations.
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And so the dynamic difference in what-- when i
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Created the, the, the framework, i wasn' thinking,
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Well, what are jesus's frequencies?
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What happened was it was reversed.
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I thought, there's no frequency i can have that god doesn't
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Have. everything that we are as a reflection of who he is,
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Either by our shadow or our light.
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Yeah. and so immediately started looking at the
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Scriptures and going, wait a minute,
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Then if this is valid, i can find this in jesus.
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And not only can i find it in jesus, i can find it throughout
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The whole scriptures, which i can't unsee this now.
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Once you understand the seven frequencies, you can't hear the
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World the way you used to hear it.
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You begin to hear people differently.
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And just even on a very, very personal level, i'm an
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Immigrant from el salvador and i never knew my real father.
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My my real father spoke multiple languages.
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My mom speaks multiple languages.
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So i come from a linguistic family. languages are a part
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Of our, our essence.
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And so is communication. but i never felt understood.
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Like, my mom's awesome and i love her and she loves me
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And she's still alive. and i'm grateful for that.
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But i was one of those kids that felt that i was an
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Outsider, and i felt like my mom never really understood me.
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And when i became an adult, she told me,
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I never understood you.
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I just-- you just didn't make sense to me.
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So i gave her the seven frequencies and i gave it to my
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Brother as well, who was two years older than me.
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And i always felt like they had a unique connection, which
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Obviously was hard for me. yeah, sure.
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And when i gave them the seven frequencies, their top three
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Frequencies were the same three frequencies in the same order.
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So of course they would hear each other.
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And their number seven frequency for both of them--
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Was your number one. my number one.
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Wow.
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And it was so healing for me to realize, oh, it wasn't that
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She loved me less. she just understood me less.
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Wow. and because people ask me,
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Are these inherent or are these learned?
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I actually think your frequencies are part of god's
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Design of who you are as a person, and then they're
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Elevated by your environment. wow.
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If you're just joining me, i'm speaking to erwin raphael
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Mcmanus, and his book is called
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The seven frequencies of communication.
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So george, who's watching right now in boca raton,
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His thing is, how would this
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Change my life, understanding this?
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Well, everything in life is about communication.
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Yeah. i mean, there isn't an arena in your life where your
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Ceiling will not be determined by your ability to communicate,
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Both to be heard and to hear,
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To be understood and to understand.
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And so it doesn't matter if it's as a husband or a wife.
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It doesn't matter if it's as a parent.
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I think a huge part of parenting is that parents do
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Not know how to hear the frequency of their kids.
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Yeah, yeah, i get that.
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And when you have a ceo dad who uses a commander all day at
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Work, and he comes home and uses that same frequency with
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His eight year old daughter, he crushes her soul.
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He has to learn how to access a different frequency.
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Can you access-- can we all access all the frequencies?
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Well, here's what to me is very exciting.
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There are some systems that see humans as static, like your
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Personality type or something like that.
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And whether you're an introvert or an extrovert or sensing or
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Intuitive or thinking or feeling, and
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There's so many assessments that really look at us
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As static beings.
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But the seven frequencies is a dynamic system.
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It says all frequencies are inside of all of us, but we
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Have dominant frequencies.
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And as we grow as communicators, as we grow in
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The human connection, we can
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Actually access other frequencies.
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And the best communicators know how to access the right
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Frequencies for the right moment, for the right people.
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You know, it' so funny. i was thinking about this when
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I finished your book last night.
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I was asked some time ago by a major drug company to come to
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This press thing they were having in new york, and they
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Had actors from the sopranos.
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They had all sorts of different head of medical teams and
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Different things, and they asked me to come and represent
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The church, and i'm like, i'm not sure the church will be
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Grateful, but i'll be glad to show up.
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And but as i was getting ready for that,
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It became really clear to me looking out at this crowd,
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It's not like me speaking to the crowd of women
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That i normally speak to, because we're already kind of
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On the same page.
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These are different people.
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And so for me, it began with calling out who i saw them to
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Be, who god had created them to be.
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And it actually turned into the most amazing experience for me.
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One of the guys from the sopranos followed me out
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Afterwards, threw his arms and hugged me with tears rolling
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Down his face. wow.
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And i thought, god, you so want to connect.
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It's all about connecting and let us know we are
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Not alone in this world.
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Yeah. that is so, so true and
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It's funny when you made that last statement,
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We're not alone in the world,
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This little bracelet i have on here says 52hz on it.
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Oh, i wrote that down. that little whale.
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Last week i turned 67 years old.
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Wow. and someone gave me this as a gift because they
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Had read the book. and, um--
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Tell us about 52hz.
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It was in the early 90s--
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I research everything. i'm compulsive about botany,
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Biology, physics, you know, quantum mechanics.
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Geography, doesn't matter. i'm just,
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I just study everything.
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And, um, and so i know random
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Things about meaningless things.
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But i found in the 90s this whale that was called the
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Loneliest whale in the world.
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Now it's become more famous because this whale sang at
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52hz, and all the other whales in the world sing it like 40hz
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Or below.
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And so this whale could travel through the pacific ocean and
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Never hear another whale, and was never heard by other
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Whales, so they couldn't identify a species because you
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Need more than one to identify a species.
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It was some kind of blue whale.
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And when i read that article, i
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Had a moment of like self-identification.
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I said, i think i'm a 52hz.
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I think that i feel alone in the world because i haven't
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Found anyone who speaks on my frequency.
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And when you come to jesus, you don't automatically get on the
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Same frequency with everyone else.
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No. you know, but i tried.
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I tried really, really hard.
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And so early on, even as i was a communicator and a preacher,
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I would mimic the frequencies of the people i would hear
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Because i wanted to belong so badly.
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But the problem is that you kind of revert back
00:31:17.031 --> 00:31:19.133
To your core self. yeah.
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And my dominant frequency is something called a maven.
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And i just don't see the world
00:31:24.639 --> 00:31:26.407
The way everyone else sees the world.
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I don't make sense of reality the way other people do.
00:31:27.942 --> 00:31:30.712
And so i communicate in a way
00:31:30.712 --> 00:31:32.113
That oftentimes makes people nervous.
00:31:32.113 --> 00:31:34.215
They're like, do we agree with him?
00:31:34.215 --> 00:31:35.817
Is he right? you know, it's controversial.
00:31:35.817 --> 00:31:37.719
It sounds really controversial.
00:31:37.719 --> 00:31:38.953
And so, ironically, my kids now, they're adults and they
00:31:38.953 --> 00:31:41.422
Really value me as a person.
00:31:41.422 --> 00:31:43.324
Like they'll say to me, hey, dad, um, we want to help you,
00:31:43.324 --> 00:31:47.195
Like, bring this idea down so that people can get it.
00:31:47.195 --> 00:31:51.432
You know, and so i almost have to have a team of people
00:31:51.432 --> 00:31:55.937
Who help me with my ideas and make sure i can communicate
00:31:55.937 --> 00:31:59.974
Them in a way that connects
00:31:59.974 --> 00:32:01.009
Everyone, which is why the book exists.
00:32:01.009 --> 00:32:02.810
It's because my kids say to me, you know something
00:32:02.810 --> 00:32:06.381
About human connection.
00:32:06.381 --> 00:32:07.682
You know something about human communication that you're not
00:32:07.682 --> 00:32:09.717
Transferring to the world.
00:32:09.717 --> 00:32:11.452
And we want to make sure that you put this down in a way that
00:32:11.452 --> 00:32:14.655
People can actually use it as a tool.
00:32:14.655 --> 00:32:17.258
Wow. what is the seer?
00:32:17.258 --> 00:32:19.160
Is that casting a vision that's impossible without god?
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:22.530
It, um--
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Well, that's the ultimate.
00:32:24.999 --> 00:32:27.201
But even without god, people have to seer frequency.
00:32:27.201 --> 00:32:30.505
You know, you have the elon musk or steve jobs or they
00:32:30.505 --> 00:32:33.041
Have, you know, the edisons of the world, who, um,
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You know, the wright brothers, the people who see the
00:32:37.211 --> 00:32:40.681
Impossible and find a way to make it possible.
00:32:40.681 --> 00:32:43.317
And they're always living in the future.
00:32:43.317 --> 00:32:45.686
But more than that, not only do they have a profound sense of
00:32:45.686 --> 00:32:49.057
Vision, but they make us see more.
00:32:49.057 --> 00:32:51.926
They pull us into the future, they expand our vision for our
00:32:51.926 --> 00:32:55.696
Lives and the world around us.
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And when jesus says to these 11, they're already in atrophy.
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I mean, the church is already in decline.
00:33:00.902 --> 00:33:03.538
And they lost their treasure, right,
00:33:03.538 --> 00:33:06.441
You know? not good.
00:33:06.441 --> 00:33:08.543
And now jesus is saying, go and make
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Disciples of all nations. and we take that language
00:33:10.645 --> 00:33:12.747
Usually and go, oh, go disciple people.
00:33:12.747 --> 00:33:15.183
The only difference is that there are no christians.
00:33:15.183 --> 00:33:17.752
The way churches operate today is they disciple christians.
00:33:17.752 --> 00:33:21.556
But the way jesus actually the mandate out is you have to go
00:33:21.556 --> 00:33:24.192
Disciple non-christians. wow.
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Because there was no one who believed.
00:33:26.394 --> 00:33:28.563
Wow. and they--
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And when you look at it, they didn't even know what
00:33:30.264 --> 00:33:32.266
The whole world was. well, they didn't have maps.
00:33:32.266 --> 00:33:34.202
I mean, they had nothing. no, they had the roman road.
00:33:34.202 --> 00:33:36.304
They had a very limited view. even their wildest imagination
00:33:36.304 --> 00:33:41.008
Of what that what that command meant didn't touch
00:33:41.008 --> 00:33:43.644
What it really meant.
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And that's the part of the power of jesus' vision, is
00:33:46.214 --> 00:33:48.950
That he created a vision so
00:33:48.950 --> 00:33:50.751
Big that there's room for everyone.
00:33:50.751 --> 00:33:52.653
Wow.
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And, you know, sometimes we only have a vision
00:33:53.688 --> 00:33:55.590
Big enough for our own life.
00:33:55.590 --> 00:33:57.758
And i think that's sometimes the problem in marriage when
00:33:57.758 --> 00:34:00.228
People talk about, well, you know, what does it mean
00:34:00.228 --> 00:34:01.863
To be in submission?
00:34:01.863 --> 00:34:03.331
And i go, well, if your if your mission is so small that no one
00:34:03.331 --> 00:34:06.000
Could ever crawl under it, you can't expect anyone
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.002
To submit to it.
00:34:08.002 --> 00:34:10.271
Raise it up, brother. yeah.
00:34:10.271 --> 00:34:11.706
You know, you need to elevate a mission and have a
00:34:11.706 --> 00:34:14.642
Vision so big that there's room for other people.
00:34:14.642 --> 00:34:17.278
Wow. but the one that i found really moving.
00:34:17.278 --> 00:34:19.280
You talk about knowing that his death and knowing what it's
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:23.751
Going to mean, knowing what's ahead and being the only one
00:34:23.751 --> 00:34:26.187
In the room who knows,
00:34:26.187 --> 00:34:28.456
Why was it so significant that jesus got down, wrapped a towel
00:34:28.456 --> 00:34:32.493
Around his waist, and washed their feet?
00:34:32.493 --> 00:34:35.730
Yeah, there are several places where
00:34:35.730 --> 00:34:38.733
I look at jesus and i hear him,
00:34:38.733 --> 00:34:41.669
In a sense, emitting a maven frequency.
00:34:41.669 --> 00:34:44.405
Maven, yeah.
00:34:44.405 --> 00:34:45.706
Where he wasn't commanding, he wasn't motivating, you know,
00:34:45.706 --> 00:34:48.643
He wasn't challenging. he wasn't teaching as a
00:34:48.643 --> 00:34:51.212
Professor or healing as a healer.
00:34:51.212 --> 00:34:53.147
He wasn't casting vision as a seer.
00:34:53.147 --> 00:34:54.949
He was trying to change the way they saw reality.
00:34:54.949 --> 00:34:57.952
And even one of the more controversial
00:34:57.952 --> 00:35:01.355
Images in john six, when jesus says, unless you eat my flesh
00:35:01.355 --> 00:35:04.458
And drink my blood, you have no part in me,
00:35:04.458 --> 00:35:06.627
I mean, he's advocating cannibalism? right? no.
00:35:06.627 --> 00:35:09.964
You know, because he's
00:35:09.964 --> 00:35:11.532
Trying to jar their view of reality.
00:35:11.532 --> 00:35:14.101
And i know in my own life with my wife kim and my kids,
00:35:14.101 --> 00:35:17.338
They'll say to me, dad, why do you have to say it like that?
00:35:17.338 --> 00:35:21.742
Why can't you say it in a way where everyone can accept it?
00:35:21.742 --> 00:35:24.111
And i go, because you have to violate their view of reality
00:35:24.111 --> 00:35:27.748
To actually change it. yeah.
00:35:27.748 --> 00:35:29.684
And jesus was violating their view of reality,
00:35:29.684 --> 00:35:32.553
Violating their view of god, of the scriptures, of what god
00:35:32.553 --> 00:35:36.390
Expected of them, of what it meant to be human and
00:35:36.390 --> 00:35:39.026
Just driving it. and their view of god was a
00:35:39.026 --> 00:35:41.762
Very, um, oppressive view of god.
00:35:41.762 --> 00:35:45.199
And so when jesus, it says, jesus knew that all authority
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.136
Had been given back to him and all power was entrusted to him.
00:35:49.136 --> 00:35:52.273
Then he ties a towel around his waist.
00:35:52.273 --> 00:35:54.542
It's not simply an act of servanthood.
00:35:54.542 --> 00:35:57.378
He's violating their understanding of who god is.
00:35:57.378 --> 00:36:01.015
Which is why peter responded the way he did.
00:36:01.015 --> 00:36:03.417
No, no, we're not doing this right.
00:36:03.417 --> 00:36:05.119
Because that is something god would never do.
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.221
Right. god would tell us to
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Serve because, well, we're just,
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We're just minions.
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Yeah. we're just dust.
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We don't have value.
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That's why god tells us to serve.
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So when jesus serves, he goes, no.
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Service isn't because you're less.
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I'm calling to service because you're more.
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Wow. because you're created in god's image.
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This is what god looks like.
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So when jesus washed the disciples feet, he was actually
00:36:29.076 --> 00:36:32.913
Reframing to them who god is, that god is a servant.
00:36:32.913 --> 00:36:36.984
It's easy for us to believe that god is all powerful, more
00:36:36.984 --> 00:36:40.288
Powerful than us.
00:36:40.288 --> 00:36:41.322
It's very hard for us to understand that god is
00:36:41.322 --> 00:36:42.890
More humble than us. yikes.
00:36:42.890 --> 00:36:46.193
You know, and it's easy for us to go, oh, you know, god
00:36:46.193 --> 00:36:50.131
Wants us to worship him as if he's this narcissistic egotist
00:36:50.131 --> 00:36:54.902
That just needs adoration.
00:36:54.902 --> 00:36:56.537
It's hard for us to understand that god is the greatest
00:36:56.537 --> 00:36:59.206
Servant, that he created us, and he doesn't need us,
00:36:59.206 --> 00:37:02.977
But we need him.
00:37:02.977 --> 00:37:05.146
So who's in the posture of service?
00:37:05.146 --> 00:37:08.149
It's god creating us.
00:37:08.149 --> 00:37:09.884
He chooses to serve us by giving us oxygen and food
00:37:09.884 --> 00:37:13.721
And water and life.
00:37:13.721 --> 00:37:15.890
Everything god does is an act of service, and god does not
00:37:15.890 --> 00:37:18.526
See that as diminishing who he is or demeaning, because that's
00:37:18.526 --> 00:37:22.630
Who god is in his character.
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How have you seen this message impact people?
00:37:24.332 --> 00:37:28.369
How have people shifted in their understanding because of
00:37:28.369 --> 00:37:31.505
The seven frequencies?
00:37:31.505 --> 00:37:32.873
It's been a really interesting journey.
00:37:32.873 --> 00:37:34.608
The book, i think, came out last october, and we've taken
00:37:34.608 --> 00:37:38.346
About 20,000 people through the assessment.
00:37:38.346 --> 00:37:40.648
By the way, if anyone's interested in the book or the
00:37:40.648 --> 00:37:43.284
Assessment, they can go to my website,
00:37:43.284 --> 00:37:44.752
Erwinmcmanus.com.
00:37:44.752 --> 00:37:46.287
Yeah, do that. i did it last night.
00:37:46.287 --> 00:37:48.356
I went online and i took the assessment and it was really,
00:37:48.356 --> 00:37:51.125
Really helpful, really easy.
00:37:51.125 --> 00:37:52.293
Just like 85 questions. but it's a really good thing.
00:37:52.293 --> 00:37:55.296
Erwin mcmanus.com
00:37:55.296 --> 00:37:56.564
I think my initial hope was that the church is actually for
00:37:56.564 --> 00:38:00.768
Me, it's so important for the church to be the epicenter of
00:38:00.768 --> 00:38:04.572
The of the new. yeah.
00:38:04.572 --> 00:38:06.107
You know, it seems a lot of times we're only always
00:38:06.107 --> 00:38:08.509
Catching up with culture.
00:38:08.509 --> 00:38:09.844
I want culture to catch up with us.
00:38:09.844 --> 00:38:12.146
And just like the greatest music in the world came
00:38:12.146 --> 00:38:14.415
Out of the church. yeah.
00:38:14.415 --> 00:38:16.150
There's just no question. yeah.
00:38:16.150 --> 00:38:17.585
You know, and the greatest communicators in the
00:38:17.585 --> 00:38:19.520
World have come out of the church and really, the, the
00:38:19.520 --> 00:38:22.990
Greatest insights on human connection and human
00:38:22.990 --> 00:38:25.860
Communication should come out of the church.
00:38:25.860 --> 00:38:28.629
But the book has been sweepingly picked up by people
00:38:28.629 --> 00:38:31.165
Outside of the church. how interesting.
00:38:31.165 --> 00:38:33.167
And it probably is the language of frequencies.
00:38:33.167 --> 00:38:36.270
Right. and if you if you believe in the bible, even god,
00:38:36.270 --> 00:38:39.273
You're like, i don't know, frequency sounds a little--
00:38:39.273 --> 00:38:42.443
Yeah, out there.
00:38:42.443 --> 00:38:43.611
And then people without god go frequencies.
00:38:43.611 --> 00:38:46.347
This is amazing.
00:38:46.347 --> 00:38:47.615
But even albert einstein said even the future of medicine
00:38:47.615 --> 00:38:50.184
Is all going to be about frequencies.
00:38:50.184 --> 00:38:53.287
The leading scientists in the world understand that the more
00:38:53.287 --> 00:38:56.490
We understand frequencies, the more we understand reality.
00:38:56.490 --> 00:38:59.560
And so it shouldn't surprise you that the bible actually
00:38:59.560 --> 00:39:01.762
Unwraps that completely.
00:39:01.762 --> 00:39:03.431
But the test and everything,
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It' such a gift, though, erwin, because after i read it,
00:39:05.499 --> 00:39:08.836
Because my son and i are pretty well-- he hasn't
00:39:08.836 --> 00:39:12.039
Taken it yet, but i would pretty well guess
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.041
He's the same three
00:39:14.041 --> 00:39:15.142
And we've always spoken the same language and at
00:39:15.142 --> 00:39:19.413
Times that's been hard for barry, my husband, because he's
00:39:19.413 --> 00:39:21.615
Like, you know, well, you love your mother more.
00:39:21.615 --> 00:39:23.884
And it's not, it's not that.
00:39:23.884 --> 00:39:25.519
It's to do with i hear you.
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:28.489
Um, and i think honestly, this book could make a huge
00:39:28.489 --> 00:39:32.326
Difference in your relationship with your husband, with your
00:39:32.326 --> 00:39:35.329
Wife, with your relationship with your children, with the
00:39:35.329 --> 00:39:38.098
Way you interact with people at work.
00:39:38.098 --> 00:39:40.367
Um, i found myself going through several things in my
00:39:40.367 --> 00:39:43.637
Past thinking, oh, i think i missed that there.
00:39:43.637 --> 00:39:46.173
I think i missed that there.
00:39:46.173 --> 00:39:47.508
I also think it's really important because so many of
00:39:47.508 --> 00:39:49.376
Us, through our trauma, our brokenness, our pain and even
00:39:49.376 --> 00:39:53.814
Our environment are operating out of our shadows.
00:39:53.814 --> 00:39:57.117
And, you know, for instance,
00:39:57.117 --> 00:39:58.552
The motivator shadow is a performer.
00:39:58.552 --> 00:40:00.821
And so many even pastors use the performer frequency when
00:40:00.821 --> 00:40:05.192
They're actually been given the motivator frequency, because
00:40:05.192 --> 00:40:08.028
It' so terrifying to let people see who you are.
00:40:08.028 --> 00:40:10.397
I was mentoring this really powerful pastor.
00:40:10.397 --> 00:40:13.000
He's just a wonderful human being.
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.202
And he, um, was asking me, what's my next step?
00:40:15.202 --> 00:40:19.640
I said, you have to decide to become authentic.
00:40:19.640 --> 00:40:23.043
And i said, you're so gifted. you're so talented.
00:40:23.043 --> 00:40:25.312
You're like, the best of the best, but you have a persona.
00:40:25.312 --> 00:40:29.216
You're a performer.
00:40:29.216 --> 00:40:30.651
And i remember he sent me a text because he went and spoke.
00:40:30.651 --> 00:40:32.653
He goes, hey, i tried to be authentic.
00:40:32.653 --> 00:40:34.154
It didn't go well. wow.
00:40:34.154 --> 00:40:36.023
He goes, i don't know if i can take this path.
00:40:36.023 --> 00:40:38.959
And when you raise up young preachers and you affirm their
00:40:38.959 --> 00:40:43.797
They're gifting,
00:40:43.797 --> 00:40:44.832
You create performers rather than motivators.
00:40:44.832 --> 00:40:47.568
You end up with manipulators rather than challengers, end up
00:40:47.568 --> 00:40:50.971
With dictators rather than commanders, with ciphers rather
00:40:50.971 --> 00:40:54.708
Than healers with diminishes, rather than professors with
00:40:54.708 --> 00:40:58.612
Perfectionists rather than seers, and then with nihilists
00:40:58.612 --> 00:41:01.348
Rather than mavens.
00:41:01.348 --> 00:41:02.683
And so each one of these shadows are so important.
00:41:02.683 --> 00:41:05.519
And i would say that a huge part of what can add value to a
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.523
Person's life is to do an eternal assessment and go, am i
00:41:09.523 --> 00:41:13.561
Bringing the world my best
00:41:13.561 --> 00:41:15.362
Frequency and my family and my shadow?
00:41:15.362 --> 00:41:17.565
Because that's what i find a lot of times.
00:41:17.565 --> 00:41:19.199
Yeah, because you bring your shadow when you're tired, when
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.902
You're toxic, when you're mad, when you're unforgiving.
00:41:21.902 --> 00:41:25.139
Yeah. and because i've had people in the business world
00:41:25.139 --> 00:41:27.908
Say, okay, i clearly am operating in my shadows, how do
00:41:27.908 --> 00:41:31.512
I get out of my shadow?
00:41:31.512 --> 00:41:33.314
And i said, the good news is you can.
00:41:33.314 --> 00:41:35.482
But here's the bad news.
00:41:35.482 --> 00:41:36.850
It's not a technique.
00:41:36.850 --> 00:41:39.119
Your shadows only change when your inner world changes.
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:43.023
Wow. and because these frequencies
00:41:43.023 --> 00:41:45.326
Are like neural pathways or the way your brain
00:41:45.326 --> 00:41:48.295
Is wired. you see reality this way.
00:41:48.295 --> 00:41:51.599
You don't communicate as a tool.
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.300
You communicate as an essence.
00:41:53.300 --> 00:41:55.469
The way we communicate is a part of the way we connect
00:41:55.469 --> 00:42:00.074
And um, and make contact with each other.
00:42:00.074 --> 00:42:02.610
That' so fascinating to me because i think of the first
00:42:02.610 --> 00:42:05.279
34 years of my life, i probably had the same frequencies, but i
00:42:05.279 --> 00:42:09.116
Operated totally differently.
00:42:09.116 --> 00:42:10.918
Um, it was only when everything in my life crashed and i felt i
00:42:10.918 --> 00:42:15.122
Was in a place where there was nothing left
00:42:15.122 --> 00:42:16.657
That was good to say about me, and nothing that would make god
00:42:16.657 --> 00:42:19.560
Love me, because i kind of made a deal with god at 11, because
00:42:19.560 --> 00:42:22.296
My father tried to kill me before he killed himself.
00:42:22.296 --> 00:42:24.765
Oh my.
00:42:24.765 --> 00:42:25.666
My thing was love is not guarantee.
00:42:25.666 --> 00:42:28.168
It can be won and it can be lost and it's won or lost
00:42:28.168 --> 00:42:31.405
Based on your behavior.
00:42:31.405 --> 00:42:32.840
So even as a believer, so much of my behavior was based on
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:36.210
Thinking i have to show up a certain way and i can never
00:42:36.210 --> 00:42:38.646
Let anybody down.
00:42:38.646 --> 00:42:39.680
I can never let anybody really into --
00:42:39.680 --> 00:42:42.416
Because i think you talk in the book about the greatest desire
00:42:42.416 --> 00:42:45.052
Of every human being is to be fully known and fully loved.
00:42:45.052 --> 00:42:47.788
But we're so afraid that we're fully known we won't be fully
00:42:47.788 --> 00:42:50.324
Loved, that we trade away being known.
00:42:50.324 --> 00:42:52.526
And that's how i lived for years.
00:42:52.526 --> 00:42:54.328
And it was so interesting that sometimes i just think it's the
00:42:54.328 --> 00:42:59.333
Mercy of god that he would take
00:42:59.333 --> 00:43:00.534
You to a prison to set you free.
00:43:00.534 --> 00:43:02.269
It's like, here's your greatest nightmare,
00:43:02.269 --> 00:43:03.637
And that's where i'll meet you.
00:43:03.637 --> 00:43:05.272
And i think it is an example of when you're in pain,
00:43:05.272 --> 00:43:10.010
That healer frequency turns into a cipher where you're just
00:43:10.010 --> 00:43:13.113
Trying to desperately find healing for yourself.
00:43:13.113 --> 00:43:15.249
Yeah, and you're just absorbing other emotions and even praise,
00:43:15.249 --> 00:43:19.820
Adoration, applause.
00:43:19.820 --> 00:43:22.256
And it's really trying to
00:43:22.256 --> 00:43:23.724
Fill this, this vacuum in your soul.
00:43:23.724 --> 00:43:26.360
And when you go through the journey of finding healing, and
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:30.097
Now you can take that pain of those wounds and you become the
00:43:30.097 --> 00:43:32.466
Healer of other people.
00:43:32.466 --> 00:43:33.934
And what you are, i think, a really beautiful
00:43:33.934 --> 00:43:37.905
Example of that. thank you.
00:43:37.905 --> 00:43:39.740
I remember when i used to be part of women of faith, we had
00:43:39.740 --> 00:43:42.576
A woman who joined our speaker
00:43:42.576 --> 00:43:44.044
Team for a short amount of time.
00:43:44.044 --> 00:43:45.946
Um, and her thing was, you know, i've heard you talk
00:43:45.946 --> 00:43:48.849
About, you know, your battle
00:43:48.849 --> 00:43:50.484
With mental illness, with depression.
00:43:50.484 --> 00:43:52.219
You know, i've had this experience, too, and i'm
00:43:52.219 --> 00:43:53.821
Going to talk about it.
00:43:53.821 --> 00:43:55.322
And what happened that night on the platform was really
00:43:55.322 --> 00:43:58.158
Difficult, because it felt like
00:43:58.158 --> 00:44:00.527
She stood there and bled over everybody.
00:44:00.527 --> 00:44:03.731
Yeah. and i'm like, you know what?
00:44:03.731 --> 00:44:05.532
I think when the wounds are so fresh, they're not scars.
00:44:05.532 --> 00:44:10.037
They're wounds. and it's like
00:44:10.037 --> 00:44:13.340
That if somebody says, um, okay, i think my number one
00:44:13.340 --> 00:44:18.178
Frequency is this,
00:44:18.178 --> 00:44:20.547
But i feel like i need to develop this,
00:44:20.547 --> 00:44:23.183
How do you shift?
00:44:23.183 --> 00:44:24.451
How do you develop things that don't come naturally to you?
00:44:24.451 --> 00:44:28.255
Yeah. the way that i've experienced this and i've seen
00:44:28.255 --> 00:44:31.492
This is that if it's your number seven frequency, it's
00:44:31.492 --> 00:44:34.928
Very unlikely you're going to get there.
00:44:34.928 --> 00:44:36.797
Yeah. to be really honest.
00:44:36.797 --> 00:44:39.032
Sure. you know, but you have that triad of the top
00:44:39.032 --> 00:44:43.504
Three, and those are pretty accessible to everyone.
00:44:43.504 --> 00:44:47.474
But the more you communicate,
00:44:47.474 --> 00:44:49.276
The more they rise to the surface.
00:44:49.276 --> 00:44:51.211
And someone might be a healer like you, but your
00:44:51.211 --> 00:44:54.948
Healer frequency is much higher and stronger than them.
00:44:54.948 --> 00:44:57.851
And so even though you have the same number one frequency, it's
00:44:57.851 --> 00:45:00.254
Not the same intensity.
00:45:00.254 --> 00:45:02.523
And the way you grow your frequency
00:45:02.523 --> 00:45:04.691
Are authenticity and empathy.
00:45:04.691 --> 00:45:09.530
And i write about that in the book.
00:45:09.530 --> 00:45:10.898
Yeah. those are powerful. yeah.
00:45:10.898 --> 00:45:12.866
And so if you, if you want to grow your frequency you have
00:45:12.866 --> 00:45:15.536
To grow in authenticity.
00:45:15.536 --> 00:45:17.171
And that's inviting people into you.
00:45:17.171 --> 00:45:20.741
And why is that so scary for us?
00:45:20.741 --> 00:45:22.643
Because you talk in the book
00:45:22.643 --> 00:45:23.510
About you don't have to be perfect.
00:45:23.510 --> 00:45:25.445
You just have to be authentic. yeah.
00:45:25.445 --> 00:45:27.014
That's terrifying to a lot of people.
00:45:27.014 --> 00:45:29.716
Our defense mechanism as humans is to judge other people.
00:45:29.716 --> 00:45:33.554
And if we can judge them fast enough, they don't get a
00:45:33.554 --> 00:45:35.722
Chance to judge us. yeah. yeah.
00:45:35.722 --> 00:45:38.659
And it's almost like who judges first gets wins, you know.
00:45:38.659 --> 00:45:41.995
And so, you know, authenticity is inviting people into you.
00:45:41.995 --> 00:45:47.134
And empathy is, is inviting yourself, in a sense,
00:45:47.134 --> 00:45:50.571
Into other people.
00:45:50.571 --> 00:45:52.105
And so it's an exchange of souls.
00:45:52.105 --> 00:45:54.575
Yeah. in that, in that beautiful way.
00:45:54.575 --> 00:45:56.043
And that will elevate your frequency.
00:45:56.043 --> 00:45:57.945
And then the way you can grow the other frequencies is by
00:45:57.945 --> 00:46:00.247
Valuing the others and listening to them.
00:46:00.247 --> 00:46:02.716
Because we, we, we learn
00:46:02.716 --> 00:46:04.484
Frequencies by experiencing them.
00:46:04.484 --> 00:46:07.688
Yeah. you know, and so my, my
00:46:07.688 --> 00:46:08.856
Daughter's primary frequency is challenger.
00:46:08.856 --> 00:46:11.124
Every text i get from her feels like a challenge, even when
00:46:11.124 --> 00:46:13.360
She's trying to encourage me.
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.229
Like, mariah's big thing now is like, dad, you should only
00:46:15.229 --> 00:46:18.732
Do what you love.
00:46:18.732 --> 00:46:20.367
Like you're at the age or stage in life where you
00:46:20.367 --> 00:46:22.870
Shouldn't do anything out of obligation.
00:46:22.870 --> 00:46:24.972
And she'll send me a text, are you doing what you love?
00:46:24.972 --> 00:46:26.807
And i feel like, yes, yes, but i could do it better.
00:46:26.807 --> 00:46:28.809
I could do it better.
00:46:28.809 --> 00:46:32.746
My son aaron and my wife kim both have a primary
00:46:32.746 --> 00:46:35.282
Commander frequency, so they
00:46:35.282 --> 00:46:37.384
Both always feel like they're commanding.
00:46:37.384 --> 00:46:39.386
I have such clarity in my life from what they want me to do.
00:46:39.386 --> 00:46:42.623
And aaron sent me a text.
00:46:42.623 --> 00:46:44.024
He goes, hey, dad, i have like 5 or 6 ideas.
00:46:44.024 --> 00:46:46.627
They're all going to come across as commands, but they're
00:46:46.627 --> 00:46:48.295
Really just ideas, just suggestions.
00:46:48.295 --> 00:46:50.130
So that's actually helped us tremendously.
00:46:50.130 --> 00:46:51.565
Yeah. you learn how to frame something.
00:46:51.565 --> 00:46:53.433
Yeah. very, very, very much so.
00:46:53.433 --> 00:46:55.035
And then even with like with the healer frequency,
00:46:55.035 --> 00:46:58.538
One of the challenges with the healer sometimes is that you're
00:46:58.538 --> 00:47:01.675
Inviting in, you're inviting yourself into someone's
00:47:01.675 --> 00:47:03.644
Soul before they invite you.
00:47:03.644 --> 00:47:04.444
Before they want you in there.
00:47:04.444 --> 00:47:05.979
Yes, that's very true.
00:47:05.979 --> 00:47:08.782
And so i'll joke about it and go, you know, it's not a healer
00:47:08.782 --> 00:47:11.985
When you say, how are you doing?
00:47:11.985 --> 00:47:12.986
And they go, great. and they move on.
00:47:12.986 --> 00:47:15.155
The when the healer says, how are you doing?
00:47:15.155 --> 00:47:17.357
And you go, great,
00:47:17.357 --> 00:47:18.292
They go, no, how are you really doing?
00:47:18.292 --> 00:47:19.893
Follow up question.
00:47:19.893 --> 00:47:21.295
And they pause and they look deep into your soul and you
00:47:21.295 --> 00:47:23.797
Feel like you're being invaded and, uh, and, and so the way
00:47:23.797 --> 00:47:28.001
You grow in those frequencies is by, first of all, being
00:47:28.001 --> 00:47:30.871
Aware of them and engaging other people with different
00:47:30.871 --> 00:47:34.374
Frequencies, valuing them and allowing those frequencies to
00:47:34.374 --> 00:47:37.177
Affect you as much as possible.
00:47:37.177 --> 00:47:39.913
And i become more of a
00:47:39.913 --> 00:47:41.181
Motivator when i'm around motivators.
00:47:41.181 --> 00:47:44.184
You know, i see the power of a professor frequency when around
00:47:44.184 --> 00:47:47.721
Other people who have a high value for transferring truth
00:47:47.721 --> 00:47:50.190
And teaching truth.
00:47:50.190 --> 00:47:51.391
And, and so with each one of those, um, i find myself
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Elevating when i allow myself to be impacted by those
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Different frequencies in my life.
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This is a daft example, but when christian was maybe, i
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Don't know, 13 or 14 and i was always on a platform somewhere,
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I thought, you know what, i wonder if it really would--
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And he's an only child.
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And i said to him, would it help you to talk to somebody
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Who's not us?
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And he said, actually, that would be brilliant.
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So i found him this great coach.
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Um, and he went for maybe 5 or 6 sessions, said
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It really helped him.
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And then but for the final session, he said, mum and dad,
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I'd like you to come in and join me for this.
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And i'm waiting because i think what he's going to say is, um,
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You know, no, mom, you're just perfect.
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And dad, you really push me and yada, yada, yada.
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I said okay, christian,
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How have i contributed, expecting this to
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Be a short sentence.
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And he said, actually, mom, i
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Don't really want to hurt your feelings.
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And i said, okay, you have
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Complete permission to hurt my feelings.
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He said, mom, when you get in the middle, it makes it worse.
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He said, dad and i love each other.
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You know, we differ in things, but you get in the middle and
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All you actually are doing is you turn the temperature up.
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And it made so much sense to me that i think i'm trying to
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Navigate all this and keep everybody happy.
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And actually, i'm interfering with the way relationships are
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Supposed to be, that they're supposed
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To be able to hear one another.
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Yeah. so i think it's something that would be i'd really
00:49:19.012 --> 00:49:23.150
Recommend this book for. it probably sounds, the seven
00:49:23.150 --> 00:49:27.054
Frequencies, please, you know, didn't sound like
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A devotional to me.
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No, but actually it can make such a significant difference
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In the way that you hear people, the way that you
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Communicate with people and within your family.
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I think it's a i really think it's a tremendous gift within
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Your own church community--
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First of all, why did you call your church mosaic?
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Well, that' so many decades ago. yeah, i know.
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And, um, i do think i do think i was the first person
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In the world to
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Call the church just a single name before all the movements
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Of all the churches across the world.
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And i know it was the first church in the world
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To take church off the name. yeah.
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And i got so much heat.
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I can imagine.
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Oh, my goodness, it was incredible.
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Because you were operating in your strength.
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I was working as a maven.
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I was going, all right, what--
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I'm going to remove every nonessential barrier between
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Jesus and people. wow.
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And i thought when it says
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Church, christians know they go there.
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Right.
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And but it says to a person who doesn't believe in jesus,
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This place isn't yours.
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And which is why we didn't have any denomination on it
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Because when it says baptist or methodist and
00:50:32.752 --> 00:50:35.122
Presbyterian or assembly, you're telling people
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Who belongs here.
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This is your lane. yeah.
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Yeah. and so i called it mosaic and took church off of it
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Because i wanted it to be for everyone.
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And i picked the name mosaic because mosaic is an art form
00:50:46.333 --> 00:50:48.935
Of broken and fragmented pieces that create something beautiful
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In the hands of an artist, especially
00:50:52.572 --> 00:50:54.141
When light strikes through it. wow.
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And so i wanted to say, mosaic is a community of broken and
00:50:55.709 --> 00:50:57.978
Fragmented people that are turned into a masterpiece in
00:50:57.978 --> 00:51:02.015
God's hands, especially when his light strikes through us.
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And it's not the elimination of all the jagged edges and all
00:51:05.085 --> 00:51:08.655
The brokenness and all the imperfections.
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It's actually, um, the elevation of our imperfection
00:51:11.825 --> 00:51:16.029
Through his perfection that makes us beautiful.
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And it just worked, you know, and out of mosaic,
00:51:18.999 --> 00:51:23.837
Then i watched a whole world of tapestry and elevation and
00:51:23.837 --> 00:51:28.108
Even my friends back then who had long names on their
00:51:28.108 --> 00:51:30.210
Churches, started taking parts of it off.
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So you go from saddleback
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Valley community church to just eventually saddleback.
00:51:34.314 --> 00:51:37.150
To, you know, willow creek community church and just
00:51:37.150 --> 00:51:39.219
Being willow creek.
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And you watch churches across the world just begin to reduce.
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And some of it is because i pay attention to culture and the
00:51:43.290 --> 00:51:45.525
Movements, and i go whenever something's iconic,
00:51:45.525 --> 00:51:47.961
It goes down to one name.
00:51:47.961 --> 00:51:49.529
It's elvis, it's madonna, it's prince.
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And you know, if you look back, you really become
00:51:52.532 --> 00:51:56.570
Iconic when it's just one name and no one has anything else.
00:51:56.570 --> 00:52:00.073
And i wanted mosaic to be la's brand for, um, the
00:52:00.073 --> 00:52:04.277
People of jesus.
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Um, and so mosaic has taken on a very unique brand, um, not
00:52:05.779 --> 00:52:10.283
Just in los angeles, but around the world.
00:52:10.283 --> 00:52:12.352
Normally the world of artists, creatives, entrepreneurs,
00:52:12.352 --> 00:52:15.722
Innovators, it' sort of like all the outliers
00:52:15.722 --> 00:52:18.091
Mosaic is their church.
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Is that the same when you travel overseas?
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It is. it's crazy.
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I mean, they're mosaics that are way larger than us around
00:52:25.398 --> 00:52:27.667
The world and who have come out to our place and asked
00:52:27.667 --> 00:52:31.771
Permission and became an expression.
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And i've never had that, um, need or even desire to create
00:52:34.307 --> 00:52:39.479
Like a large like system.
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I wanted to inspire things.
00:52:41.481 --> 00:52:43.016
I wanted to be more of a virus that, you know, yeah,
00:52:43.016 --> 00:52:47.854
Than an institution.
00:52:47.854 --> 00:52:49.589
And so because of that-- um, and the whole nature of mosaic is i
00:52:49.589 --> 00:52:54.594
Went, i went to la with a commitment to try to be the r&d
00:52:54.594 --> 00:52:57.864
Department of the church, uh, to be the research and
00:52:57.864 --> 00:53:01.101
Development, to be the fresh, cutting edge.
00:53:01.101 --> 00:53:03.737
And if you try to make every church in the world just like
00:53:03.737 --> 00:53:06.106
You are, you're violating your own value system
00:53:06.106 --> 00:53:09.442
Saying take these principles and create whatever needs to be
00:53:09.442 --> 00:53:12.112
Created in tokyo or paris or london or wherever it may be.
00:53:12.112 --> 00:53:16.883
We all long to know that,
00:53:16.883 --> 00:53:18.551
That if you don't show up, you're missed.
00:53:18.551 --> 00:53:20.387
But the thing i want you all to grasp hold of right now is how
00:53:20.387 --> 00:53:25.258
Much you are seen and loved and known by god.
00:53:25.258 --> 00:53:28.194
I know it can be a scary thing to be transparent and
00:53:28.194 --> 00:53:32.032
Vulnerable, but i think that's what jesus modeled for us.
00:53:32.032 --> 00:53:35.135
I'm so--
00:53:35.135 --> 00:53:36.903
It's kind of holy ground when you study what happened in the
00:53:36.903 --> 00:53:39.406
Garden of gethsemane and how honest and vulnerable
00:53:39.406 --> 00:53:43.410
And seen jesus was.
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But i think that's what he invites from
00:53:45.578 --> 00:53:47.147
Every single one of us.
00:53:47.147 --> 00:53:48.682
The greatest thing that ever happened to me was when i
00:53:48.682 --> 00:53:51.584
Finally came to the end of myself, and had no more
00:53:51.584 --> 00:53:55.588
Clever things to say.
00:53:55.588 --> 00:53:56.690
I didn't have any more scripture verses to quote.
00:53:56.690 --> 00:53:59.159
I think probably the one of the most powerful prayers i ever
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:01.695
Prayed in my life was that very first night in a psychiatric
00:54:01.695 --> 00:54:04.631
Hospital, and the only words i could get out were, help me.
00:54:04.631 --> 00:54:08.735
But that's the wonderful thing. that's why jesus came.
00:54:08.735 --> 00:54:12.539
That god loves to reach through all those broken places.
00:54:12.539 --> 00:54:16.376
And i've discovered-- that's why i asked erwin about mosaic,
00:54:16.376 --> 00:54:19.913
Because, um, i have a thing in my yard that my son made for me
00:54:19.913 --> 00:54:23.350
When he was little, where he just took lots of little broken
00:54:23.350 --> 00:54:25.752
Pieces and wrote in i love you, mom, and it's to me it's a
00:54:25.752 --> 00:54:29.889
Profound memory and reminder.
00:54:29.889 --> 00:54:33.059
It's a beautiful thing that god can do with a broken life
00:54:33.059 --> 00:54:35.829
When you give him all the pieces.
00:54:35.829 --> 00:54:38.665
So i just want to thank you for, i want to thank you for who you
00:54:38.665 --> 00:54:41.668
Are because, um, so original, so creative, and yet you have
00:54:41.668 --> 00:54:48.007
Brought it to a place,
00:54:48.007 --> 00:54:49.275
And i don't know if i should thank your family, but you've
00:54:49.275 --> 00:54:51.211
Put into place where it makes sense to us, and we can learn
00:54:51.211 --> 00:54:55.148
How to communicate better.
00:54:55.148 --> 00:54:56.416
So, erwin, i just want to say thank you so much
00:54:56.416 --> 00:54:58.218
For being with us. thank you so much for having me.
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It's awesome.
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And we will see you next time on praise.
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Remember, you are loved.
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♪♪
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Erwin McManus: Seven Frequencies of Communication | Praise

October 9, 2025 | 56:58

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