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Jack Graham & Robert Jeffress, Ed Young: United for the Gospel | Praise

June 29, 2026 | 57:29

Celebrating TBN’s legacy of sharing the Gospel, Jack Graham, Ed Young, and Robert Jeffress join Matt and Lori Crouch to discuss evangelism, prayer, revival, and the vital role of the local church.

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Praise | Jack Graham & Robert Jeffress, Ed Young: United for the Gospel | Praise | June 29, 2026

Male announcer: coming up tonight on "praise."
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Jack graham: the church of the lord jesus christ is the hope of
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America, and so if the church doesn't do what we are called to
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Do and commissioned to do, then everything is lost.
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We are in an urgent time, in an urgent situation, so we need as
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Many means as possible to preach the gospel, to grow the church,
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To advance the kingdom of god.
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Ed young: tremendous challenge the church today is we've spent
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Millions of dollars going around the world, sending missionaries
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All the world.
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We need that, but the world has come to us.
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We have to figure out how to reach all of these people,
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Whatever their background, buddhist, hindu, doesn't matter.
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The church today, the evangelical church, the bible
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Church must figure out how to reach those who are right up
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The street.
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Robert jeffress: this couldn't be emphasized enough.
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The hope for america, the hope for the world is the
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Local church.
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The nation can't repent unless i repent.
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The nation can't turn to god unless i turn to god.
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The nation can't be saved unless i'm saved.
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The fire, the flame, the devotion, it begins in me.
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[music]
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Announcer: tonight on "praise from dallas," evangelical
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Leaders, robert jeffress, jack graham, and ed young.
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And now your host, matt and laurie crouch.
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Matt crouch: i can't help myself but to start this "praise"
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Program with three baptist preachers and some tv
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Evangelists all walk into a bar.
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I mean, it sounds like the beginning--it sounds like the
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Beginning of a joke, and what we're gonna be talking with,
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Okay, you ready for this?
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Three of the top five viewed ministries on tbn are together
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In one place.
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If the bad guys were gonna plant a bomb, this would be a bad
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Place to plant a bomb.
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Robert: thanks for giving them the idea, matt, we
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Appreciate that.
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Matt: jack graham, ed young, dr. robert jeffress, all of you,
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Thank you for being here.
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I was going to start, but i decided that i'm not
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Gonna start.
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I'm gonna let you start.
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You're to my right, and i wanna go around.
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We've talked a little bit off camera here, and how do you want
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Our audience to view maybe the discussion we're going to kind
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Of get into in a little bit?
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Ed: well, this is a special anniversary, let's start there,
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Of tbn.
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You might start--
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Matt: fifty four years today.
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Tbn celebrates its 54th birthday.
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This is a great way to talk about--we're gonna get into
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Evangelism, we're gonna get into some deeper subjects, but where
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Do you want to start this?
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Robert: well, first of all, congratulations on 54 years.
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None of us would be here today had your dad and mom or you made
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Some course changes in the direction of tbn.
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It always started out as loving the lord, loving jesus christ,
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Seeing people come to christ, but there was a decision you all
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Made to enlarge the tent and to invite people who are not
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Baptist or assembly of god but are biblically-grounded teachers
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Of god's word, because i think your dad sensed there was going
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To be a need for some grounding.
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There were excesses like in any movement that need to
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Be corrected.
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And we wanna thank you for continuing the legacy of tbn,
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Expanding it, and giving us a worldwide platform to preach the
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Gospel of jesus christ.
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Matt: jack, back in the green room , you were--you kind of
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Hit on something that, you know, back in the early days tbn was
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Maybe defending the holy spirit.
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Maybe my mom and dad's posture was trying to defend.
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You know, think of it, the baptist guys had all the big
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Downtown churches, the charismatic churches were on the
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Other side of the railroad tracks out in the, you know,
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Country, and there was not a lot of, you know, fellowship back in
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Those days, and you hit on something in the green room talk
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About that just for a second.
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Jack: well, i would say baptists, we are all baptists
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Here at this table, pastors, and baptist and beyond, you know,
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People say what would you be if you weren't a baptist?
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And i would be ashamed, but not really.
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Are you one of those baptists who believe you're the only one
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Who's going to heaven?
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No, a lot of baptists aren't going, so we all get that.
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We're christians first, and we have tribes and teams that we're
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On that, you know, are distinctively, uniquely
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Christian, and we're in this bigger body of christ and the
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Big-c church.
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And when i was growing up, as a little boy in the 1950s, baptist
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Churches rarely said anything about the holy spirit, and in
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Fact, there was probably a lot of fear of even talking about
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The holy spirit.
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And yet in the '70s, by the time the jesus movement came along,
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And i was a teenager and a college student during the jesus
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Movement, we saw the spirit of god move.
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And there were a lot of baptist preachers that began to talk
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About the work and witness and ministry of the holy spirit.
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And it was a revival among baptists, people like jack
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Taylor, adrian rodgers was part of that, peter lord, a lot of
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Names from the past, and these men were all influential in my
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Life as a young christian.
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My own pastor, he spoke of the holy spirit, and i was always
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Grateful for that.
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So, you know, the the work and ministry of the holy spirit
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Among--i guess a lot of people think baptists don't believe in
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The holy spirit, but we do, and we, you know, i wouldn't dare
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Preach without the power and the presence of the holy spirit upon
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My life, god's word being, you know, the message and the power
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Of the holy spirit, the anointing.
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And so it was a good marriage, and it's been, you know, maybe
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It's a rocky road, you know, bringing people together, but
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That's one thing that's happened with tbn you, and you have
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Brought people together for the sake of the gospel.
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Matt: yeah, well, you mentioned back in the green room that the
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One thing we could find in common was evangelism, but we're
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Gonna get into that a little bit.
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But ed, you're the senior member of the table here today, and my
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Dad reached out to you in the '80s and there was a very
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Specific intent in my dad reaching out to you.
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What was he asking you to help with?
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Ed: well, he just knew, as we said earlier in the room,
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Evangelism unites all of us, and that's been the primary thrust
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Of tbn from the very beginning.
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I don't think anybody's ever been on "praise," ever been a
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Part of your mom and dad, they didn't always offer an
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Invitation, "tell people how to come to greet jesus."
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It's built in the whole heart of this network that now touches
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The world.
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So it was that thing i believe that your dad saw maybe i was
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Doing in a very beginning way is what i've always emphasized.
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I know the great commission is mentioned five times in the
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Bible, all four gospels, and in acts, and we've gotten away from
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That and your dad and mom always had evangelism.
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They were--we differed in many things, evangelism, and then you
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Have to come to the understanding of the holy
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Spirit, have to have conviction of sin, confession of sin,
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Repentance of sin, receive christ.
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The holy spirit, that's the arm, that's the third person of the
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Trinity, and your dad and mom, i don't think they thought of
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Themselves as pentecostals or baptists or presbyterian.
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They thought of themselves as people of the kingdom who wanted
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To touch the world for god.
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And your mom and dad did crazy things.
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I remember your dad going to china.
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He met with the top leaders of china, and lo and behold, tbn
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Went to china way back in the dark ages.
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Nobody would have believed that.
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It was the courageousness of your dad, what's happening right
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Now in iran, what tbn has done there is an amazing story, and
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That was the thrust of tbn, and that's where anybody in any
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Church, any--as we say in mississippi, abomination,
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Whatever your background, you would rally around that.
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Matt: but you, you know, are not wanting to put any focus
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On yourself.
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But my dad specifically had a request of you, would you
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Introduce me to the adrian rodgers and the d. james
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Kennedys of the world and these types of people, because, again,
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I think that that my parents coming from originally from the
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Assemblies of god denomination, felt like they didn't have the
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Credibility of what, you know, was seen in the big
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Denominations that had the churches in the downtowns of
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Every major city, and that was largely the
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Baptist denomination.
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So there was a really great intentional thing, and it was
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Because of your willingness to reach across the aisle, you
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Know, in those days that we sit here today, and "powerpoint,"
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"the winning walk," "pathway to victory" are three of the top
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Five viewed programs on tbn, and we're grateful for that.
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We have more viewing audience today, 54 years later than we've
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Ever had in tbn's history, and it is largely because of a very
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Specific initiative that my dad started in the '80s to reach out
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To ed and others, mainly ed, and start getting the invitations to
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Bring us all under one tent, and here we are today.
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Jack: yeah, i would say, you know, in the past we didn't know
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Each other, and if you don't know someone and who--and their
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Heart and hear their heart, hear their passion for fulfilling the
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Great commission, and once we-- and i think it started happening
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In the '80s primarily when the lines--we still have our
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Distinctives, our biblical distinctives, and we're firm on
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Those things, but we have embraced one another in christ
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For the sake of the gospel.
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And tbn has been a catalyst for that, and i--we're giving your
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Dad and mom a lot of credit, which they deserve, but both of
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You, too, you have continued this and expanded it beyond what
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It was before.
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And so, you know, i'm grateful we've been on tbn with
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"powerpoint" for 30 years, and it continues to be the central
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Focus of our media outreach to the world.
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There's a lot of new media, a lot of good things going on that
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We're doing, but tbn and that program that comes on at 12
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O'clock central time on sundays every sunday, that has been the
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Key to our ability to reach beyond our church and take the
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Message to the world.
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That's what we believe in.
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Robert: i agree with jack completely.
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You know, i think one thing your parents saw, they were able to
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Look down the corridor of what was coming.
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They understood we were coming to a time when denominations
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Really don't matter that much, and i think we're at that time,
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They saw it.
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I don't have anybody under the age of 80 at first baptist
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Dallas who gives a hoot and a holler about the southern
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Baptist convention.
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They don't identify themselves as southern baptists, they're
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Bible-believing christians, and i believe that's a good thing
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That has happened.
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You know, i think about my own pilgrimage.
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My dad was saved in world war ii by an assembly of god chaplain,
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And my dad said, "i'm gonna end up in dallas.
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Where should i go to church?"
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And this assembly of god chaplain said, "there's only one
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Place to go, the first baptist church of dallas."
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And so my dad ended up there, brought my mom, raised me, so we
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Started going to first baptist dallas in the morning, but he
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Never shook his assembly of god background, so he would go to
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Lakewood's assembly of god on sunday nights with steve
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Feuerbach's father as a pastor.
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So that's why i'm theologically schizophrenic.
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I would go in the morning to the baptist church and the evening
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Church of the assembly of god church where i was dedicated to
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The lord, but really, that's what's happened to a lot
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Of people.
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They get teaching here, they get it here, they get it here.
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The question is not is it baptist teaching?
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Is it assembly of god teaching?
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Is it biblical teaching?
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That's what matters.
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People are hungry for the word of god, and when they turn on
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Tbn, they know regardless of the label, they're gonna hear
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Something that's bible-based.
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Matt: we're headed in that direction.
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You kind of--let's at least admit 54 years ago--and again,
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This is tbn's 54th birthday-- that there wasn't a lot of
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Fellowship between the charismatic denominations and
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The non-charismatic.
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There wasn't a lot of fellowship, and it feels like
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We've rubbed those lines so much.
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Jack, you've said the name of the holy spirit more in the
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First five minutes of the show than i would have heard from a
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Baptist preacher in the '80s.
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What was the problem back then.
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Robert: i think a lack of understanding.
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Ed: not knowing each other.
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Robert: we didn't know each other, but i think also an
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Unwillingness to separate essential issues with secondary
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And tertiary issues.
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And i think, again, as all of us have said, there are some
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Distinctives, but they're secondary compared to knowing
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Christ as your savior, basic, eternally secure as a christian,
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Realizing that suffering is not a curse all the time, it's
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Sometimes sent by god for our strengthening.
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I think there's been a better understanding of what each other
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Are saying and what we're not saying.
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Ed: and the basic confession is jesus is lord.
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All of this is peripheral.
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We begin to realize that as i saw people who were come to
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Christ through all kinds of individuals.
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And i said, you know, this is biblical.
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Jack: we had a lot of people in our world that were so afraid of
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Strange fire, wildfire that we had no fire, and so when the
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Holy spirit moved among baptist people and others, it
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Was transformative.
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That's when, among southern baptists, many of the great
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Churches that still exist, second baptist
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Houston, bellevue.
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Bellevue had a great past where adrian was, but it revived.
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Prestonwood where i'm at, so many of these great dynamic--i
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Don't like the term mega-church, but these great churches that
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Had reached so many people, that all flowed out of the work of
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The holy spirit and the power of god in preaching the gospel, and
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There's no question that the work of the holy spirit--i go
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The last great revival, we're praying for spiritual awakening
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Again in america here in the 250th year of our birth, but the
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Last great revival we had was the jesus movement, a national,
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I would call it a spiritual awaking.
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Hundreds of us were called to preach in ministry and missions
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Out of that.
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We're praying for another revolution, spiritual
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Revolution, but it was out of that movement that christian
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Television, tbn arose and great churches, and it was a dynamic
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Time in the history of our country, and of all the
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Celebration of america in these days, that was a great time in
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The history of america.
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Ed: and preaching has changed, preaching has changed.
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Southern baptist life for many, many years in my early years, it
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Was mild-mannered preachers preaching to mild-mannered
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Congregation about how to be more mild-mannered, and we saw
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The pentecostal reaching people for jesus, and that was the
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Jesus movement came out of that, and there was an awakening
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Saying, hey, and our preaching has changed.
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Used to be if you didn't preach hellfire, damnation, come to
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Jesus, something's wrong, and then it got weak over here to
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Accommodate everybody, and somewhere in the middle we saw
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Here's the true gospel.
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Independent of all of our backgrounds, our cultures,
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That's when god began to work in a powerful way in america.
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Matt: you've touched on a couple of things.
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My dad used to use the expression that charismatics
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Would look down their spiritual nose at the baptist folks who,
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Quote, had no fire, like you mentioned.
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And we had all the experience, and you had all of the biblical
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Teaching, and there was a dividing gap that nobody could
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Get across, and it feels like we have brought, let's say, some
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Fire into the baptist church and some stability to the emotions
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Of what we thought was, number one, if you didn't have somebody
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Fall over in the spirit, then you really hadn't gone
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To church.
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And so we were, quote, looking down our spiritual noses, and
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We've seen a lot of that just disappear, and you specifically,
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Robert, have picked on the denominations.
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But my dad, when he got to about ed's age, his give a darn meter
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Broke, and he--it was completely broken, and i won't
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Tell you exactly what he said, but he was pretty critical about
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Denominations and thought that they were systematically keeping
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People apart for the specific reason of it was better for a
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Particular group to chastise the other groups to keep them all
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Flocked together.
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If you wanted to keep people in your little group, you had to
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Criticize somebody else.
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Robert: and what happened was not only did that end up
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Separating people from other people, it separated people from
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True experience from god of miracles.
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I mean, i'll never forget as a young minister on the staff of
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The church i now pastor seeing dr. criswell, my predecessor,
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Decide to have a healing service.
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He announced one sunday we're gonna have a healing service,
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James chapter 5, and we're gonna invite anybody who wants prayer
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For sickness to come forward, and we're gonna pray for them,
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And people thought, what is--has he lost his mind?
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This is a baptist church, but that's what the bible said to
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Do, and i never forget what he said.
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He said, "i believe in faith healing.
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I don't believe in faith healers, but god doesn't need a
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Middleman anymore, but i believe in faith healing."
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And i think that i don't give a blank meter that you were
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Talking about.
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Matt: yeah, give a darn meter.
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Robert: i think that has to be broken.
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I think we have to quit fearing what other people are gonna
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Think and instead say what does the bible say about this?
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Ed: i think that's already happened.
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I think it has already happened, i really do.
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Tbn's been the catalyst in that.
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Jack: and let's don't forget the impact while we're talking about
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This movement that happened of billy graham.
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Matt: okay.
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Jack: and your father and tbn certainly had a relationship.
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Franklin, today, the whole graham team, people always ask
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Me are you related to billy graham?
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And in christ, yes, but my dad's name was tom, not billy, and--
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But he actually adopted me in the family, so i'll take that.
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But billy graham and the rise of cooperative evangelism in the
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'50s and in the 1960s had a huge impact on all of this.
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And back to what ed has been banging the drum, it was what
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Brought us together, reaching people for christ, evangelism,
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Evangelism, evangelism.
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Let's tear down the fences that divide us for the sake of the
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Harvest, and let's go get people and bring people to jesus.
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That's what has happened.
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Matt: would there have been an, you know, i'll make something
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Up, but would there have been a little bit of backroom chatter
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In the baptists that at least we're saying about tbn in the
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Early days, and i'm talking early '80s or even late '70s,
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Well, you know, they're kooky as, you know, as they can be,
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But they always ask me to give an altar call at the end of the
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Show, and they're about winning people to jesus?
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And those phones ring and people call, and you know, we stopped
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Counting at tens of millions of decisions for christ over
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The years.
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At least the baptist preachers and the ed youngs who introduced
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Us to most of them would have at least been able to rally around
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The fact that, you know, let's say experiential-heavy
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Charismatics and no-fire baptists came together for which
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I believe there's fire everywhere now, but they came
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Together around winning people to jesus, and that started our
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Journey that now right sitting here right here, "powerpoint,"
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"winning walk," and "pathway to victory" are three of the top
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Five viewed programs on tbn.
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Tbn, the number-one-viewed faith channel in the world, have been
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For many years, and you guys are partly responsible for that.
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Having you all three sitting here is a dream team thing for
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Me, so thank you for that.
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Jack, how do we progress this conversation?
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How do we go from, you know, recounting over the years that
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We've had to journey together, we found the centerpiece,
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Evangelism, that's what everyone believed in, that's what
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We're doing.
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Take the conversation forward from here, start.
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Jack: i do wanna--i wanna add on just a little bit as to what
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Brought us together as well and what keeps us going forward.
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Let's not forget the impact tbn and us preaching together and
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Being together between the races.
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Tbn's audience is not just a white audience, and in fact, in
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"powerpoint," you know, as we have through the years been on
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Radio and television, the ability that we've had to reach
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Into the black community and other communities has been a
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Phenomenal and and blessed thing.
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Matt: let me throw a statistic at you just since you
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Mentioned it.
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At 24 hours a day, if you look at our ratings, we have 30%
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African american viewing, okay?
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Statistically nationally the african americans are, you know,
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15%, 14%, you know, from a numbers standpoint, but from a
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Viewership standpoint, we have double the normal rate.
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And i think that dates back to the early days when--with my
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Dad's beautiful friendship with e.v.
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Hill and others.
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Jack: oh yeah, that was so good.
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Matt: and one of my mom and dad's favorite guests and all of
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That, but that's a good point.
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Jack: yeah, and so not only have we been through these years
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Crossing denominational lines together for the sake of the
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Gospel but cultural lines and racial barriers.
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Ed: that's the body of christ.
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Jack: and to truly be the body of christ and all its beauty.
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And going forward, i think all of us at this table have been
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Concerned about so many of our churches, whatever their label,
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Not engaging in serious, intentional, passionate
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Evangelism in our communities, and the fact is that a lot of
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Churches are dead or dying, and when you read the data, the
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Statistics is sad, because so many churches in spite of having
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So many resources and opportunities that we have
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Today--and i'm not talking about just big churches, but you
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Know, basically i'm doing same thing i was doing in hobart,
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Oklahoma, in rural oklahoma and back in duncan and cross plains,
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Texas, when i was a college preacher.
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I'm doing the basic same things, and so you don't have to be a
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Big church to reach people for christ.
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Every church, regardless of its size, should be committed
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To evangelism.
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Maybe you can't be on television, or you're not gonna
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Do that, but your local congregation and local pastors
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Need to lead the way in our generation in getting us back to
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The mission and the message of christ.
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The reason churches are dying is because of the absence of the
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Mission and the message of christ today, and it's true.
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Ed: and i think, jack, it goes back to the pastor.
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Matt: absolutely.
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Ed: if the pastor is doing personal evangelism as a regular
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Schedule part of his life, then he influences if he has
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Any staff.
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And by the way, every size church oughtta have full staff.
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I was in a church that around 100, my early pastor, and we had
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A full staff.
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Well, how did you do that?
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You call forth the giftedness of your people.
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Jack: yeah, train your volunteers.
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Ed: and they come and form the staff.
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And if the pastor would build into his life a regular habit of
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Reaching people for jesus christ.
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I can tell any pastor, any church in the country how you
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Can change the evangelistic thrust of your church with five
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Or six things that you have to do.
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Now, to do this--do evangelism, you have to cut out some
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Other things.
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And that's what happened to our churches.
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They don't have pastors that are committed to it, a staff that is
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Committed to it, a church family that's contagious with it.
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That's what it has to be.
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That's where it begins.
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Robert: that's right, and i think this couldn't be
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Emphasized enough.
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The hope for america, the hope for the world is the
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Local church.
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Matt: got it.
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Robert: the local church, you know, some christians treat the
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Church as a necessary evil.
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Oh well, yeah, i've got to support my church because mama
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Did and grandmama did.
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No, it's an essential.
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The local church is the only organization that has the
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Promise of endurance.
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No other organization has the promise of endurance, but jesus
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Built the local church.
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He said, "this is my idea for winning the world to myself."
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It's a church, not a bible study.
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There are deacons, there's a pastor, there's an organization,
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There's a ministry.
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And i think you all would say tbn is no substitute for the
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Local church.
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Tbn exists to strengthen the local church, to help pastors
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And members mature in christ and fulfill their god-given mandate,
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And i think we've got to come back to the local church is
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God's plan for reaching the world.
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Matt: well, my dad talked a lot in the early days, you know, now
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1973, that wasn't understood, pastor.
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The thought was that christian tv was going to cannibalize the
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Local church, and that just never happened, but that was the
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Fear, and so my mom and dad felt like they were kind of doing
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This tbn thing on their own, and that's probably why the lord had
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To be so aggressive by speaking to my parents simultaneously.
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Robert: just think about this, 50 years ago, 40 years ago, if
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You wanted to hear a sermon, you had to go to your church at 11
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O'clock on sunday morning.
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That was the only way you heard preaching.
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There was no christian radio or christian television before 60
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Years ago.
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One 30-minute sermon a week isn't enough.
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We need a regular intake of god's word through the ear gate,
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And that comes from television and radio.
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This is a marvelous tool for discipling people, for growing
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Them in their faith.
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So, again, you know, this is not a substitute.
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The best members i have are the ones who are turned on to tbn 24
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Hours a day, because they're hearing the word of god, they're
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Growing in the word of god.
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Matt: i--before we move on to another subject, you
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Said something.
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First of all, i love this, having three senior pastors
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Sitting here, i get to ask hard questions, and you have to
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Answer them.
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There was a moment, and i think it was jack in the green room,
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And then you mentioned something about it just a minute ago, that
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Suffering is part of god's plan.
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Well, charismatics 54 years ago would have said y'all are, you
00:28:23.258 --> 00:28:29.097
Know, y'all missed a class, okay?
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And that's what looking down our spiritual nose to people that,
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Quote, didn't have any fire, if there was something going wrong
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In your life, then you didn't pray enough, you didn't,
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You know?
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And so the sovereignty of god was not in the hand of god.
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There was no sovereignty of god.
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We were to control everything through the fire that we thought
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Was our secret sauce, you know, in the early days.
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But you pointed out in the green room, maybe you won't be willing
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To say it out here in front of everybody.
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Jack: sure i will.
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Matt: no, i'm kidding, i'm joking, but there was a lot of
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Teaching in the early days that if you had something going wrong
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In your life, you just weren't living life right, okay?
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Explain some of that.
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Jack: that's where we have learned from one another over
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The years, and you have, here at tbn, and under your leadership,
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You've made sure that--call it what you will, health, wealth,
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Prosperity gospel, theology, call it what you will, but what
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We want to emphasize is biblical truth, and if if you read your
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Bible, you know adversity and prob--
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I was just reading this morning in the book of acts when paul
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Was was beaten and left for dead, that's probably when he
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Went up into heaven and came back.
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He talked about that in corinthians, and he said after
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That we enter the kingdom of heaven through much tribulation.
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I mean, and so that doesn't mean you go to--
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Matt: did we just not read that?
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Jack: it doesn't mean that our suffering gets us into heaven,
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The suffering of jesus is the only suffering that gets us to
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Heaven, but as christians as a part of this kingdom of this
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Family we are going to suffer.
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I've been a pastor, we have all been a pastor long enough to see
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A lot of suffering and a lot of pain and a lot of heartache and
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A lot of breaking, and if you deny that or accuse people of
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Not praying enough or not believing enough, then that's a
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Heartbreaking situation for a lot of families.
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And so we give people hope, and that hope is in the midst of
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Suffering and pain and sorrow, and i believe over time, you
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Know, biblical teaching, this theological truth has moved
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Across, again, let's say that's moved across--if charismatic
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Christians, assemblies of god brought the focus on the holy
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Spirit, maybe let's say that baptists and others non-charis--
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Have brought some balance to that truth, and biblical balance
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Is what we need.
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Robert: you know, i've got a lot of verses i wanna ask god about
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When i get to heaven, but at the top of the list is hebrews 5:8
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Talking about jesus.
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It says, "though he was a son, he learned obedience by the
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Things that he suffered."
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My thought is if god's plan for his own son included suffering,
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Why are we surprised when suffering comes into our life?
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I don't understand how jesus learned anything, but the bible
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Says he did.
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He learned obedience by the things that he suffered.
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When we're suffering, many times it means we're right on track
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Towards god's will.
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Matt: isn't that amazing?
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Wow.
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Robert: where everything's happening just as scheduled, and
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That's why peter said don't be surprised at the fiery ordeal
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That has come upon you for your suffering as though some strange
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Thing were happening.
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This is part of the plan.
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Jack: and i don't know if you wanna say this publicly, and i
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Know we're live, but what you said in the back room as well
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As, you know, there's some people not on tbn anymore who
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Became too eccentric, too extreme in a view that says if
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You don't pray hard enough, believe hard enough, then it's
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On you in the midst of suffering.
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And so that's been a focus that tbn has accepted, adopted,
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Approved, affirmed over the years now.
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Matt: how do you get to that extreme view in light of the two
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Scriptures you just quoted?
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Did they never read those, that jesus learned obedience
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Through suffering?
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Robert: i think, honestly, it comes to what the scripture
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Warns against about the false teachers who teach what they
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Teach out of greed.
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They know there's a lot of money in telling people send in your
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Check, and you'll get a healing, a blessing from god.
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I think it's a perversion.
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It's greed that leads to that kind of teaching.
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Jack: well, that's shooting straight.
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Laurie crouch: there we go.
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Matt: well, let's turn to the elder statesman and get
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A word from him.
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Ed: i'm getting fed, i love it, i really do.
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Matt: what do you think--we missed a class or you guys
00:33:02.637 --> 00:33:05.506
Missed a class, but we're all kind of rubbing together, we're
00:33:05.506 --> 00:33:08.309
All coming to the center together.
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Ed: well, i think you can take a lot of scriptures and be guilty
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If eisegesis, you read into it, and you read it not in the
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Context of what is meant to be.
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That's when robert said early we're biblical christians,
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That's what we're all about.
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We don't have any authority anywhere else, it's not my
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Feelings, what i believe, what i think, we challenge god why did
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You let this one die and this one live?
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That's not our business, he is sovereign, and when you
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Understand that suffering, i've grown more through suffering
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Than i have through any other thing in my life.
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Robert: absolutely. matt: wow.
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Ed: all what you're talking about, jack, and your life.
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I know you guys, you know my life.
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We grow through suffering, and that's a part of the agenda that
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God has given to us so we can mature and be the man or the
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Woman of god that god has called us to become.
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Jack: i think it gets down to the issue of faith.
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If you talk about, you mentioned faith healers and you know,
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Believing god for healing or for a miracle, and look, i believe
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In miracles.
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I believe miracles still happen, but they're not on my agenda.
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I can't command miracles, i can't demand for you know god to
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Do something that god may choose not to do.
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I mean i've got a funeral service this afternoon, one of
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Our best men, and he passed away, and his family is
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Grieving, and so what am i gonna say at the funeral?
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Well, you should have prayed harder, and he'd still be here?
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Or if you'd have believed god more, there'd have been a
00:34:39.433 --> 00:34:41.836
Miracle, and he'd be alive?
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I mean, so it's the--i go back to the balance is, i mean, do we
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Pray and believe for the miracle?
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Absolutely.
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I mean, if i'm sick, i hope you come pray for me and anoint me
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With oil, by the way, because that's what the bible says
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To do.
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And so i'm thankful that we are living in a time where we can
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Believe god, trust god, ask god for miracles, and then trust him
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For the results.
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Ed: but another aspect here, this body of ours is not gonna
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Last forever, folks.
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That shocks everybody.
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This body is not made for eternity, and we don't
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Understand the difference between the soul and the body.
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The soul is everything that's not physical.
00:35:20.942 --> 00:35:24.845
Everything about you and me is our soul except our body.
00:35:24.845 --> 00:35:28.783
This body is not gonna be here when we die, we know because the
00:35:28.783 --> 00:35:32.553
Resurrection of christ will have a--our resurrection body that's
00:35:32.553 --> 00:35:36.190
Built for eternity.
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That's what i say to every funeral of, look, they've
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Graduated, we think with special distinction, top of their class,
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But now they have the resurrection body which is
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Equipped for eternity.
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This body is not equipped for eternity.
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Now, the problem we have, why did this one come so soon?
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Why this child?
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All these other aspects, that's beyond our hands.
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That's god's business, and somehow we get to heaven, he'll
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All put it together, and we say i wish i'd seen that, lord.
00:36:03.818 --> 00:36:07.521
I didn't know what you were doing, lord.
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And he'll put it all together, and we'll say thank you, lord.
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Robert: you know, that's the reason that, exactly what you
00:36:13.261 --> 00:36:15.496
Said, that i don't get that excited when i hear people say
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They got healed.
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They maybe have got healed, but it's temporary.
00:36:19.867 --> 00:36:22.336
They're gonna get sick again from something.
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Everybody's gonna die from something.
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Poor old lazarus died twice.
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Think about that poor guy.
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He had to go through that twice.
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Jack: i gotta go do this again?
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Robert: i gotta do this again.
00:36:31.812 --> 00:36:33.214
Now, this is what is happening right now, whether it's assembly
00:36:33.214 --> 00:36:36.450
Of god, whether it's methodist, whether it's baptist, they're
00:36:36.450 --> 00:36:39.820
Starting to go back to the bible about their own statement of
00:36:39.820 --> 00:36:42.657
Faith, and that is a healthy thing.
00:36:42.657 --> 00:36:45.259
You know, we all believe jesus christ is the foundation, the
00:36:45.259 --> 00:36:48.429
Cornerstone of the church.
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He is the living word of god, but right alongside the living
00:36:50.131 --> 00:36:54.168
Word is the written word of god.
00:36:54.168 --> 00:36:56.170
It's not one or the other, it's both and.
00:36:56.170 --> 00:36:59.206
You can't love the living word of god, jesus christ, without
00:36:59.206 --> 00:37:03.344
Loving the written word of god, jesus christ.
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Matt: okay, i wanna do a little bit of a reset, and i'm tired of
00:37:06.614 --> 00:37:09.917
Hearing from the hairy legged boys.
00:37:09.917 --> 00:37:11.786
I wanna have laurie ask a question here in a second, but i
00:37:11.786 --> 00:37:14.522
Just wanted to say, you know, "winning walk," "powerpoint,"
00:37:14.522 --> 00:37:17.591
"pathway to victory," three of the top five programs on tbn,
00:37:17.591 --> 00:37:22.863
And you're getting the best of the best here on this
00:37:22.863 --> 00:37:25.666
"praise" program.
00:37:25.666 --> 00:37:27.001
Laurie: well, i just think this is the best "better together"
00:37:27.001 --> 00:37:29.136
I've ever done.
00:37:29.136 --> 00:37:31.839
Matt: it's the ugliest one though.
00:37:31.839 --> 00:37:34.675
Robert: would you rather we put on a dress?
00:37:34.675 --> 00:37:36.377
Laurie: no, no, i like it just the way it is, but we might
00:37:36.377 --> 00:37:40.481
Start adding some men here too.
00:37:40.481 --> 00:37:42.983
I'm kidding, girls.
00:37:42.983 --> 00:37:45.353
What i love about this is--so i was raised, my dad was church of
00:37:45.353 --> 00:37:50.391
God, my mom was assembly of god, and then kind of went into the
00:37:50.391 --> 00:37:55.663
Word of faith as a young tiny little girl.
00:37:55.663 --> 00:37:59.266
And probably when we left tbn in 1992 to go to hollywood to do
00:37:59.266 --> 00:38:05.773
Movies, that was our learning-- that was our learning season of
00:38:05.773 --> 00:38:11.545
16 years up there where i had to learn what faith actually was.
00:38:11.545 --> 00:38:16.751
You know, you're out on your own, you're trying to do what
00:38:16.751 --> 00:38:20.488
God--you feel god's called you to do.
00:38:20.488 --> 00:38:22.523
And i remember, though, i realized through the suffering,
00:38:22.523 --> 00:38:28.129
Through the trials and tribulations that--
00:38:28.129 --> 00:38:30.765
Matt: that's when the revelation would come.
00:38:30.765 --> 00:38:32.133
Laurie: all of a sudden i was like going, okay, i don't know
00:38:32.133 --> 00:38:33.901
What faith is, because i was so used to you take a step of
00:38:33.901 --> 00:38:38.339
Faith, and--
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Matt: it works out.
00:38:40.241 --> 00:38:41.575
Laurie: it works out immediately, you know?
00:38:41.575 --> 00:38:43.110
And i learned that that didn't happen and that when you took a
00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:46.213
Step of faith, you had to walk in faith, and that was not just
00:38:46.213 --> 00:38:49.784
A moment of i have faith, i'm gonna do that and then--
00:38:49.784 --> 00:38:52.586
Matt: you were addicted to that immediacy of an event that gave
00:38:52.586 --> 00:38:55.923
You an emotion.
00:38:55.923 --> 00:38:57.324
That was what we were.
00:38:57.324 --> 00:38:58.659
And then when we learned walking it out, that was a whole
00:38:58.659 --> 00:39:01.829
Different ballgame.
00:39:01.829 --> 00:39:03.164
Laurie: yeah, and the sovereignty of god.
00:39:03.164 --> 00:39:05.099
I was at that funeral of a 6-year-old little girl, the same
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:09.136
Age as cody, one of the people that had been on tbn got up and
00:39:09.136 --> 00:39:15.709
Said this shouldn't have happened, someone didn't
00:39:15.709 --> 00:39:18.145
Pray enough.
00:39:18.145 --> 00:39:19.480
Matt: somebody missed it here.
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:20.848
Laurie: and i--somebody missed it, and i'm telling you, i was
00:39:20.848 --> 00:39:23.317
Thinking, well, maybe i'm grieving, because this is one of
00:39:23.317 --> 00:39:25.386
My dearest friends' baby.
00:39:25.386 --> 00:39:27.188
Maybe i'm grieving so much i'm not hearing right, because i do
00:39:27.188 --> 00:39:30.925
Believe in a sovereign god that holds everything in his hand,
00:39:30.925 --> 00:39:34.495
You know?
00:39:34.495 --> 00:39:36.630
And i remember just being rocked by that and thinking, man,
00:39:36.630 --> 00:39:40.267
Something about this is really wrong.
00:39:40.267 --> 00:39:42.136
Some of the stuff that i've listened to is terribly
00:39:42.136 --> 00:39:47.675
Misunderstood and misinterpreted, and--
00:39:47.675 --> 00:39:52.146
But the gift of faith that we-- everything that we have, we have
00:39:52.146 --> 00:39:57.618
Because of jesus.
00:39:57.618 --> 00:39:58.986
Because of jesus, i lean on his faith.
00:39:58.986 --> 00:40:02.089
I have confidence because of jesus, because it's jesus's
00:40:02.089 --> 00:40:04.992
Confidence, right?
00:40:04.992 --> 00:40:06.360
Living in me.
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:07.695
But i love you all three so much, and i respect your voices
00:40:07.695 --> 00:40:12.132
Into the world and what has come out of all of you, and so i'm
00:40:12.132 --> 00:40:17.738
Just here to share, to give my love to each one of you, because
00:40:17.738 --> 00:40:21.942
I think the body of christ is so, so much more stable because
00:40:21.942 --> 00:40:28.415
Of the the biblical teachings and the--
00:40:28.415 --> 00:40:31.385
Matt: let me say it this way.
00:40:31.385 --> 00:40:32.753
Let me just jump in and say it this way.
00:40:32.753 --> 00:40:35.189
You've given--your teachings on tbn have given purpose to half
00:40:35.189 --> 00:40:41.695
Of my life, because, yeah, i've had some big wins.
00:40:41.695 --> 00:40:45.099
You know, we had a movie that was number one in the box office
00:40:45.099 --> 00:40:48.435
And, you know, we've had some big moments, but we've also had
00:40:48.435 --> 00:40:53.140
Some tragic moments, and there was no lesson out of that.
00:40:53.140 --> 00:40:57.011
You've given full meaning, permission to have meaning to
00:40:57.011 --> 00:41:01.482
The times of life you want to throw away and forget.
00:41:01.482 --> 00:41:04.184
If you just follow the apostle paul's life, he found meaning in
00:41:04.184 --> 00:41:10.758
Some of these things, and eventually, though, the lord did
00:41:10.758 --> 00:41:13.961
Say, "okay, i'm not gonna let him beat you to death.
00:41:13.961 --> 00:41:16.063
You know, you're not gonna have to do that again, you know?"
00:41:16.063 --> 00:41:18.866
Laurie: you're not gonna die.
00:41:18.866 --> 00:41:20.234
Matt: and so there's just such balance that we feel as we're
00:41:20.234 --> 00:41:25.205
Sitting here, we're celebrating the 250th year of america.
00:41:25.205 --> 00:41:29.543
Pastor jack graham, dr. ed young, pastor robert jeffress,
00:41:29.543 --> 00:41:32.813
"winning walk," "pathway to victory," "powerpoint," three of
00:41:32.813 --> 00:41:35.749
The top five viewed programs on tbn, and we wanted to sit down,
00:41:35.749 --> 00:41:40.588
Just hear your voices, and get you all together.
00:41:40.588 --> 00:41:44.124
Your thoughts, pastor jack?
00:41:44.124 --> 00:41:46.026
Jack: well, back to the church and the need for the church to
00:41:46.026 --> 00:41:52.600
Be the church in our generation.
00:41:52.600 --> 00:41:54.535
And right now in america, let's talk about several of us were at
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Rededicate america preaching on the mall, tbn was there, and
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50,000 people, they said, i don't know, and then so many
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More millions heard it because of tbn and the broadcast
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Of this.
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And you know, we're praying for spiritual awakening and revival
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In america.
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Grateful for a president, president trump, who invited us
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There on the mall, encouraged us to be there to do this, 250
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Years of the continental congress who did it those many
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Years ago and the foundations of our nation, and--but the
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Question is what is the future of america?
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Will there be another 250 years?
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And the answer to that because we're facing, incredible islamic
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Invasion right now, the leftist movement in america, the marxist
00:42:46.353 --> 00:42:51.058
Movement, the socialism, the demise of the family, the
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Violence, it's probably never been darker in america at least
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Than right now.
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So what are we gonna do?
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Well, we're gonna stand for truth, and the church is gonna
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Rise up and be the church.
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I hope this is a a wake-up call, because if america is the hope
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Of western civilization, if america falls, what's left?
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But i'm saying the church of the lord jesus christ is the hope of
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America, and so if the church doesn't do what we are called to
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Do and commissioned to do, then everything is lost.
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America is lost, the family is lost, the future is lost, i
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Mean everything.
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And that's not preacher talk, that's not wild-eyed standing on
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The street corner preaching the end is near.
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We are in an urgent time in an urgent situation, so we need as
00:43:41.408 --> 00:43:46.213
Many means as possible to preach the gospel, to grow the church,
00:43:46.213 --> 00:43:50.284
To advance the kingdom of god.
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That's what's on me right now.
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Ed: the tremendous challenge of church today is we've spent
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Millions of dollars going around the world, sending missionaries
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All the world.
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We need that, but the world has come to us.
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We have to figure out how to reach all of these people,
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Whatever their background, buddhist, hindu, doesn't matter.
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We've got to figure that out for the local church.
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I don't know anybody that's doing that.
00:44:13.974 --> 00:44:15.976
That is the challenge, one of the big challenges of the church
00:44:15.976 --> 00:44:19.079
Today, because the church, we wanna take those who are
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.483
Outsiders, to teach them how to become insiders.
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That's what the church must do.
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Therefore, we have to sort of rethink the body of christ in
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The 21st century so we can really begin to understand that
00:44:32.192 --> 00:44:36.797
We're not perfect.
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We're broken too.
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Somebody outside the church like, well, all those
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Good people.
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No, we know better than that.
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We are broken, and our brokenness is a way that we can
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Tell others who are broken, whatever their background,
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Whatever their culture, whatever their language, the church
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Today, the evangelical church, the bible church must figure
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Out how.
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To reach those who are right up the street.
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They're right up the street.
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Robert: and, you know, to build on what ed said, i think every
00:45:04.658 --> 00:45:07.227
One of us would agree the answer is not found in politics.
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The democratic party is rotten to the core.
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The republican party is rotten to the core.
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They have no answers for america today, only the church of jesus
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Christ has the answer.
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And like paul said, "i may be in chains, but the gospel
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Isn't chained."
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There is nothing that's keeping us from preaching the gospel.
00:45:29.583 --> 00:45:32.753
If you wanna change america, you have to change the hearts of
00:45:32.753 --> 00:45:36.657
Americans and only the gospel of jesus christ.
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Jack: and tbn, let me just say again, with this platform, this
00:45:39.126 --> 00:45:44.298
Gospel goes to the nation, to our neighbors, and to
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The nations.
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I just got back from south korea, so the first night i was
00:45:49.203 --> 00:45:52.105
There i was at paul yonggi cho's former church where it
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Was found.
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So i was in a pentecostal church on a friday night.
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They had 7,000 people in a prayer meeting.
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I'm in a presbyterian church on sunday built underground, 6500
00:46:02.950 --> 00:46:07.421
Seats filled twice.
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I go and preach in a field in one of the largest cities in
00:46:09.523 --> 00:46:13.293
South korea, and we had 1500 people come to christ, 10,000
00:46:13.293 --> 00:46:17.431
People, and i say all that to say america, back to america,
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This platform and in the satellites now that we have.
00:46:21.602 --> 00:46:26.673
So when i went over there, and i'm preaching to a translator,
00:46:26.673 --> 00:46:29.142
They knew me because of tbn and me preaching the gospel there
00:46:29.142 --> 00:46:35.649
And in other ways.
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But i'm saying that we have a huge opportunity.
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There's never been--with all the bad things going on, there's
00:46:41.255 --> 00:46:44.758
Never been a better time to preach the gospel than
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Right now.
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Ed: and revival, every great revival, though, has come
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Through desperation.
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Yeah, one of the basic givingness of any kind of god,
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It's come through desperation.
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South korea, maybe the most christian nation in the world
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Today, it came through desperation.
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Jack: and, oh by the way, because american missionaries
00:47:01.541 --> 00:47:03.677
Went over there and shared the gospel.
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They came out of there for communists and buddhists and
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Everything else, and we, this country, so i'm big on america.
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You can't tell.
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We sent those missionaries over there.
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Most of them were presbyterians to start, and then the baptists
00:47:17.057 --> 00:47:20.594
And the assemblies and the others came in there, but we
00:47:20.594 --> 00:47:22.763
Evangelized those people, and it's a magnificent thing.
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They're at a whole other level in the church many of the
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Churches over there.
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Ed: i'll tell you something else about america.
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We talk about in iran they don't have any reverence for life.
00:47:31.538 --> 00:47:37.077
My sister and my brothers, the united states of america has the
00:47:37.077 --> 00:47:43.417
Least reverence for life of almost any nation in the world.
00:47:43.417 --> 00:47:48.922
We've had an increase in abortions in the last 3 years.
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In roe v.
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Wade has been thrown away, it's increased every single year.
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Last year, like a million too.
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We've had over 60 or 70 million people murdered in their
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Mother's womb.
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Can we say we're a righteous nation?
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We haven't come to a thing of desperation that we must have
00:48:08.775 --> 00:48:12.312
For this revival to come.
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There has to be an awakening in our own conscience and our
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.717
Own morality.
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We're broken, our nation is broken, but we've got a chance,
00:48:18.051 --> 00:48:21.421
A little lumen of light now to touch the world for jesus
00:48:21.421 --> 00:48:24.925
Christ, and the hope is america, but we have to realize where we
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Are and get desperate enough to confess our sin, repent of our
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Sin, and to receive jesus christ, and that's the hope.
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Robert: and it starts with us.
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Ed: absolutely, robert.
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Robert: my predecessor, dr. criswell, talked about revival
00:48:40.674 --> 00:48:44.177
Back in 1976, our 200th anniversary, and he made a
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Statement i'll never forget.
00:48:48.982 --> 00:48:50.317
He said the nation can't repent unless i repent.
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The nation can't turn to god unless i turn to god.
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The nation can't be saved unless i'm saved.
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The fire, the flame, the devotion, it begins in me.
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Remember that little chorus we used to sing, lord, send
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A revival?
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Lord, send a revival.
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Lord, send a revival, and let it begin with me.
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Matt: do me a quick favor and, you know, my dad would haunt me
00:49:16.276 --> 00:49:20.881
Tonight if i didn't have one of these baptist preachers look
00:49:20.881 --> 00:49:23.784
Into the camera.
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Would you just look into the camera and lead people to jesus?
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And then i wanna get a final statement from all three of you.
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Robert: i don't think it's any accident you've tuned into
00:49:30.757 --> 00:49:33.560
This broadcast.
00:49:33.560 --> 00:49:34.928
You may have been flipping through the channels looking for
00:49:34.928 --> 00:49:37.697
Something, but god had you stop on this program.
00:49:37.697 --> 00:49:41.568
If you don't know jesus christ is your savior, you've got an
00:49:41.568 --> 00:49:46.139
Eternity of separation from god to face, but the good news of
00:49:46.139 --> 00:49:50.343
The gospel of jesus christ is that god loves you.
00:49:50.343 --> 00:49:53.613
He loves you so much he sent his only son to die for you, to pay
00:49:53.613 --> 00:49:58.652
The penalty for your sin so that you can have eternal life.
00:49:58.652 --> 00:50:02.889
And today if you'd like the assurance that one day you're
00:50:02.889 --> 00:50:06.026
Gonna be welcomed into god's presence, i wanna encourage you
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Wherever you are to bow your head, close your eyes, and just
00:50:09.429 --> 00:50:13.066
Pray this prayer with me.
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Dear god, thank you for loving me.
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I know i've failed you in many ways.
00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:22.342
And i'm truly sorry for the sins in my life, but i believe you
00:50:22.342 --> 00:50:28.448
Loved me so much you sent jesus to die on the cross for me, to
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Take the punishment i deserve to take for my sins, and right now
00:50:33.820 --> 00:50:39.392
I'm trusting in what jesus did for me, not in my good works,
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But in what jesus did for me to save me from my sins.
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Thank you for forgiving me, and help me to live the rest of my
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Life for you in jesus's name, amen.
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Ed: amen.
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Robert: you prayed that prayer, you've received god's
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Forgiveness, the assurance you're gonna be with him
00:50:59.813 --> 00:51:02.449
Forever, and let me just encourage you to keep watching
00:51:02.449 --> 00:51:06.153
This network and find a good bible-believing church, doesn't
00:51:06.153 --> 00:51:10.123
Matter what the denomination is, a good bible-believing church
00:51:10.123 --> 00:51:13.927
Where you can be encouraged in your faith.
00:51:13.927 --> 00:51:16.096
Matt: call that number on the screen, and somebody will talk
00:51:16.096 --> 00:51:19.733
With you about that decision, if there is something that needs to
00:51:19.733 --> 00:51:24.938
Be said to the body of christ, and you've all talked about
00:51:24.938 --> 00:51:29.476
This platform.
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The platform is yours.
00:51:30.844 --> 00:51:32.345
I don't want to restrict your voice.
00:51:32.345 --> 00:51:35.382
You're here, you have complete permission, what do you want to
00:51:35.382 --> 00:51:39.519
Be kind of the final word?
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It could be encouraging, or it could be something that you
00:51:41.121 --> 00:51:43.557
Really need to to get into.
00:51:43.557 --> 00:51:45.425
What's your final thoughts on this day?
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And i hope this is the first of many that we'll do like this.
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Your final thoughts, please, robert.
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Robert: well, i feel like i've talked enough, but just one
00:51:55.135 --> 00:51:57.671
Thing i would say that we really haven't talked about this whole
00:51:57.671 --> 00:52:00.674
Hour is the importance of prayer.
00:52:00.674 --> 00:52:03.643
Prayer is what ignites spiritual power in our life, the life of
00:52:03.643 --> 00:52:08.248
Our church and our nation.
00:52:08.248 --> 00:52:09.950
And i would just encourage every person to get involved in a
00:52:09.950 --> 00:52:13.420
Prayer ministry of some kind.
00:52:13.420 --> 00:52:15.388
I have at our church 500 prayer partners who pray for me in our
00:52:15.388 --> 00:52:19.526
Church regularly, and if there's a pastor watching right now who
00:52:19.526 --> 00:52:23.363
Doesn't have a vibrant prayer ministry going in your church,
00:52:23.363 --> 00:52:27.000
Get a group of intercessors together to pray for you, for
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God's spiritual protection of your life, but also god's
00:52:30.036 --> 00:52:33.540
Protection and power in your church.
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Jack: my heart right now is for the next generation, okay?
00:52:35.775 --> 00:52:39.946
I'm a grandfather now eight times over, and it's wonderful,
00:52:39.946 --> 00:52:43.049
And i met your first one, and what a beautiful child.
00:52:43.049 --> 00:52:47.887
So, now here we are, parents and grandparents, looking at a
00:52:47.887 --> 00:52:52.359
Future for our children and our children's children, and we're
00:52:52.359 --> 00:52:56.730
Seeing signs that god is moving among young people on university
00:52:56.730 --> 00:53:01.568
Campuses, in churches, and maybe this revival that's on the way
00:53:01.568 --> 00:53:07.874
When we repent and respond to god, the revival is a new
00:53:07.874 --> 00:53:12.512
Beginning of obedience to god, that's what it is, and so we're
00:53:12.512 --> 00:53:16.616
Seeing it.
00:53:16.616 --> 00:53:17.951
I'm seeing it with my own grandchildren, in our own
00:53:17.951 --> 00:53:19.886
Church, with the student ministry and so on.
00:53:19.886 --> 00:53:22.422
So, adding on to the prayer, so let's pray that god will raise
00:53:22.422 --> 00:53:27.494
Up a new gener--
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Look, your dad and mom passed this on to you.
00:53:28.828 --> 00:53:31.164
He gave the baton to you, and you're taking--your children,
00:53:31.164 --> 00:53:34.634
Your sons, and now grandchild, you know, you're gonna pass the
00:53:34.634 --> 00:53:39.773
Gospel baton to them.
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I wanna do that in my own family, in our church, and so
00:53:41.141 --> 00:53:45.412
What we need to do is fight for our families.
00:53:45.412 --> 00:53:47.514
I'm preaching sunday on nehemiah 4, when he said fight for your
00:53:47.514 --> 00:53:51.184
Brothers and your sisters and your wives and your sons and
00:53:51.184 --> 00:53:53.620
Your daughters.
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Fight for your family.
00:53:54.954 --> 00:53:56.389
So that's what we gotta keep doing, be in the battle and
00:53:56.389 --> 00:53:59.693
Never give up.
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Laurie: so good.
00:54:01.061 --> 00:54:02.829
Ed: the church, when somebody goes to the church, and they're
00:54:02.829 --> 00:54:09.035
Not church people, they feel i don't fit in, i don't belong.
00:54:09.035 --> 00:54:15.709
Somehow we've got to take the body of christ and let it become
00:54:15.709 --> 00:54:20.213
Winsome, alive, relevant, warm, and no one will feel excluded
00:54:20.213 --> 00:54:25.752
When they come in.
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We've got to change a lot of our language.
00:54:27.087 --> 00:54:29.789
Salvation, regeneration, heaven, we've got to talk in common
00:54:29.789 --> 00:54:35.061
Language terminology.
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Salvation to be salvaged, everybody understands
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Being salvaged.
00:54:40.700 --> 00:54:42.035
They don't understand salvation.
00:54:42.035 --> 00:54:43.403
We use too many shibboleths, we'd say a biblical service, and
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Not just communicate the truth simply, plainly, and a relevant
00:54:46.606 --> 00:54:51.411
Way and teach our people how to welcome those who feel
00:54:51.411 --> 00:54:54.814
Like outsiders.
00:54:54.814 --> 00:54:56.850
We're not perfect people, we're broken people as they are, and
00:54:56.850 --> 00:55:01.321
We communicate that to the lost world, the confused world.
00:55:01.321 --> 00:55:05.425
I think the church will come alive, and the church will be
00:55:05.425 --> 00:55:08.328
Relevant in the 21st century.
00:55:08.328 --> 00:55:10.930
Family, prayer, coming together, having an international ministry
00:55:10.930 --> 00:55:16.870
That touches everybody in the world for jesus christ, but the
00:55:16.870 --> 00:55:20.673
Church has to be there, has to be alive or irrelevant, has to
00:55:20.673 --> 00:55:24.544
Be fun, it has to be accepting.
00:55:24.544 --> 00:55:27.480
Go back to the pentecostals.
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:28.848
The pentecostals will welcome people who've gone through
00:55:28.848 --> 00:55:32.018
Divorce, brokenness, or grievous sin quicker than most any
00:55:32.018 --> 00:55:35.855
Other church.
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That's been one of the genius of pentecostals, they practice
00:55:37.190 --> 00:55:40.293
Grace in what they do.
00:55:40.293 --> 00:55:42.695
And for example, if we heard that robert just embezzled a
00:55:42.695 --> 00:55:45.532
Million dollars from his church.
00:55:45.532 --> 00:55:46.866
Robert: wait a minute, i didn't do it.
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Ed: if--would he go to first baptist church dallas
00:55:48.535 --> 00:55:53.006
Sunday morning?
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That's the last place most christians will go.
00:55:54.340 --> 00:55:57.310
We have to build that kind of redemptive church when anybody,
00:55:57.310 --> 00:56:01.414
Anybody, any walk of life, any culture can come and say, hey,
00:56:01.414 --> 00:56:05.852
God's doing business here.
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Matt: i love that.
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Jack: amen, and let's don't forget the one last thing, and
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We've said this in many times, many ways, but let's just
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Clarify all of this, it's all about jesus.
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Matt: there you go.
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Jack: it's all about him, that he would be supreme and
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Sovereign in our lives, and we would seek his kingdom first and
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Foremost above everything and forever.
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And i'm still in this because of jesus.
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I've never seen him, but i love him, as peter said, and our love
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For jesus, yeah.
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Matt: all i can tell you is between these three guys,
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They've been pastors about, you know, 275 years, you've
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Seen everything.
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Jack: well, that's dog years.
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Matt: and it feels like this was a master class "praise."
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Jack graham's "powerpoint," all the information about how you
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Can see that is on the air.
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Dr. ed young's "the winning walk" is on the air right here
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On tbn.
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Pastor robert jeffress's "pathway to victory" is
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Right here.
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All that information for you.
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Three solid dudes that we've known for a long time, and let's
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Do this again sometime soon.
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We'll see you next time, bye-bye.
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Jack Graham & Robert Jeffress, Ed Young: United for the Gospel | Praise

June 29, 2026 | 57:29

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