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January 7, 2025 | S53:E

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Praise | Joel Osteen: Pray Bold | Praise | January 7, 2025

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- [voice over] coming up tonight on praise.
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- there, we could have said, okay, god,
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Maybe this is your will.
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But daddy gathered us all around
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And we prayed a bold prayer.
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We prayed, we believed,
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And nothing happened immediately,
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But my mother had that attitude of faith, that bold prayer,
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Over time, it became a reality.
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And my mother turned 91 years old last year.
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- [voice over] tonight on praise, from los angeles,
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New york times bestselling author
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And senior pastor of lakewood church, joel osteen.
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And now your host, matt and laurie crouch.
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- first of all, happy new year.
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- yes.
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- it is the year 2025.
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It is time to pray bold and wear bold ties.
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(laughing)
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- bold colors.
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- let's start with psalm.
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Psalm says, in psalm 138, "in the day when i cried out,
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You answered beat and made me bold
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With strength in my soul."
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- i love that. - i love that.
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- let's start with that.
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- man, that's so good, matt.
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- [matt] where'd this come from?
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- [laurie] isn't that good?
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- man, pray bold.
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Man, happy new year to you guys.
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Great being with you.
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Yeah.
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My new book's called pray bold
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And asking big, believing big,
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And the thought behind it is many times
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We don't see god do great things
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Because we're only praying for small things.
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And i think sometimes we were raised,
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At least i was, you pray for your food,
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You pray for wisdom, you pray for protection,
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And all those things are good,
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But i think that my challenge is
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That god wants us to pray for our dreams
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And pray for things that are over our head,
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Even the scripture talks about
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The secret petitions of your heart.
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I think that, matt and laurie,
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It's things that maybe you haven't told people about,
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But god's just whispered just something in the night
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And you think, oh, i can't tell anybody that,
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I'd be embarrassed, there's no way that could happen,
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But, you know, i think that in your time of prayer,
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You can ask god for what he's put in,
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I believe god gives you desires
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To build the kingdom,
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Not necessarily just earthly desires,
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But to further his kingdom.
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So, i don't know, i believe that's one thing
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That i was taught by my parents is
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To take the limits off of god.
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And i believe that's why god's shown us favor.
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I mean, i can say you guys can too.
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He's taken me where i've never dreamed,
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But not that i had this great faith,
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But i did have the faith to pray and believe that god,
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You know what, this is out of my hands,
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But i believe you can do it.
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So that's what i challenge people,
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As we start off the new year,
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Man, let's take the limits off of god.
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I mean, we wouldn't be alive
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Unless god had greater things in front of us.
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And i think too, it's easy to coast
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Because god's shown you faith,
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You guys are blessed, you have healthy children,
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You've seen god's goodness,
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But i don't believe god wants us to get complacent.
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I believe there are greater things.
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So i believe as we stir up our faith, release our faith,
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Pray and believe big,
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That's what allows god to do great things.
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- when you said pray for things that are over your head,
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It triggered a prayer for me.
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Lord, i would love to have
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Chocolate brown hair like joel osteen.
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(laughing)
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And that's a bold prayer for me.
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I'm gonna pray bold.
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- but i can answer that prayer.
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- you could? - uh-huh.
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By the end of the day we can get your answer.
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- i am gonna pray bold.
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I'm gonna pray bold--
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- [laurie] you know what though, joel?
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- and wear bold ties.
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- [joel] that's so funny.
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- i think in the last couple years i have prayed more.
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- for things and a lot of times i'm always thinking,
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"well, exceeding abundantly." - yeah.
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- above all that i could ask or think.
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That's what god wants to do for us.
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And so i think it's important to,
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And i've gotten more conscious about praying about things.
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Because i think we can coaster through and, you know,
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I just, i have a certainty down in my soul
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That god's will is going to be done, right?
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But i think that sometimes just talking to god
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About those things, talking about and declaring things
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Over our lives that we believe god has put in our hearts
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And that declarative prayer that says,
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"god, you are going to surpass
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What i can even believe or pray for."
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You know, but i think it's important
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That christians pray those prayers.
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- it is, lori.
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I think sometimes i've had people tell me,
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"well, god's got bigger things to deal with.
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You know, there are people that, you know,
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Got bigger problems and all that."
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But always come back to you are god's biggest deal.
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You know, god's not, you know, him blessing somebody else
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Or answering their prayer's not gonna stop him
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From answering mine so i think we have to get out
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Of that mentality that, "i don't deserve it.
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I'm not worthy, that's for somebody else."
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But no, god wants to show out in all of our lives.
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And i'm like you, the longer i live, the more i realize,
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"god, i'm gonna ask you for what you put in my heart.
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And i'm not just gonna, you know,"
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I think it's easy to think about it,
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It's easy to worry about it, it's easy to doubt
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And think it could never happen.
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But it is your faith being released to say,
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I mean, i go back to jehoshaphat, when was that?
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Second chronicles 20.
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When he was surrounded, he started off by saying,
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"god, you know, basically you're the creator
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Of the universe, you've done great things"
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And, you know, bragging on the goodness of god.
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And just, you know, he even prayed, he said,
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"god, we don't know what to do, but our eyes are upon you."
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Even that's a bold prayer.
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"god, we're surrounded, it looks impossible,
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But god, i know you could make a way."
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And so i think, you know, i think it is stirring your faith.
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And two, i'm gonna be clear,
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It's not just about material things, but, you know,
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A bold prayer for some people is for my loved one
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To come to know to him, you know,
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They've been off course for 20 years.
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Well, pray bold.
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"god, let 2025 be the year they come in."
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Or to break an addiction
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Or to come out of a negative mindset.
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I don't know.
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I don't think it has to be just material things,
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But things to further the kingdom, things to help us
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To become who we were created to be.
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You know, whether it's breaking an addiction
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Or limited thinking or, you know, i don't know,
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Even for me, when i stepped up to pastor the church,
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All those thoughts told me i couldn't do it.
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You're too young. you're not like your dad.
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Nobody's gonna listen to me. but you know what?
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I just had to get, like you said, i got in agreement.
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"lord, i thank you that i'm strong in the lord.
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That i can do all things through christ,
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That you've raised me up for such a time as this."
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Everything in my mind was saying, "there's no way.
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That's not you. it's never gonna happen."
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But you know what? just keep praying it, declaring it.
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"god, let your will be done." and you know what?
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God exceeds our expectations.
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- yes, he does. thank you. - pray bold.
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You know, it's the 7th of january.
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It's 2025, if you just tuned in.
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Dare to ask and believe big.
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We've coordinated this, oddly enough,
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We're both here in southern california.
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This is the very first day that this book is available.
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It's available through amazon or wherever books are sold.
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All of that and get it.
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And let's all kind of go big, go bold. i love this.
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And i'm gonna pray.
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I'm gonna make one last joke. (hosts laughing)
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My boldest prayer is that my hair could look like yours.
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(joel laughing)
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You have beautiful hair and teeth.
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You have beautiful teeth too. you know?
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And by the way, let me just tell you something crazy.
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I'm joking, but i'm not.
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When we got on the airplane to come out here to socal,
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I was telling her,
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"i think i'm gonna have to go to the dentist."
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And i mean, she's been in a dentist here half of her life.
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And i've been, like, to the dentist twice my whole life.
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You know. - no compassion.
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- you've been one or two times.
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- i just might add that. - thank you.
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- big beautiful teeth. but i had read your book.
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Somebody sent me a galley copy
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Of your book when we were in texas and i was reading it.
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And a couple of things had happened.
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We have just been with mark batterson.
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And mark batterson had an event in his life
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Where he went nowhere without an inhaler
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For what's that condition you have?
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- [joel] asthma.
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- asthma. since he was a kid.
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He played sports, but he had an inhaler in his sock.
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You know, he always had to have it with him.
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And god asked him to pray something, he--
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- use the word bold, but it's the same thing.
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Like pray an unusual prayer or some crazy prayer
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Or something like that, but it's the same thing.
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And so he's asking people in his congregation feels that
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Very strong prompting of the lord to do that.
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And the lord asks him a question,
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"what is your bold prayer?"
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And he said, "i prayed for my asthma to
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Basically be gone my whole life."
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And, you know, so he said, "i prayed that 5,000 times."
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And he just said, "my bold prayer is that
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My asthma would be gone and that i'd be healed."
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And he said, "i haven't touched an inhaler
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Since that night." - wow.
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- well, i had just been with him.
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We had just interviewed mark
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A couple of weeks ago, it seems like.
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And then i was reading your book, and i am having
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This pain in this tooth right here.
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And it's just the dumbest thing, you know,
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It's like i'm chewing everything on one side of my mouth.
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And you know, the dentist that i know the most is out here.
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So i'm thinking, i'm gonna get off the plane,
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I'm gonna have to go to the dentist.
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And i just kind of did like this and i said,
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"i'm gonna interview joel on bold prayers."
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And i literally was taking advil
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And was just expecting to go in
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And get a root canal or whatever they're gonna do.
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And joel, it felt like within 24 hours,
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All the pain was gone, and yesterday i bit into something
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And went like, "uh-oh," and there was no pain at all.
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I'm sitting here with zero pain.
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And i think god wants us to do that kind of stuff.
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I mean, what crazy prayer might you pray that, you know,
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You just kind of, you're almost just saying, you know,
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I mean, why did i just resign myself to the dentist chair?
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Why don't we pray about more things?
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Why don't we pray bold prayers?
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Why don't we pray bold? i don't know.
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- well, and i think we do that a lot.
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I think that even for myself,
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You have a relationship struggle,
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Or you see something and it's tension or whatever,
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Why don't you just pray about that?
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And a lot of times we don't...
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I don't, sorry, i'll make this personal.
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- that's not the first thought, yeah.
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- yeah, i'll think, "oh boy, i need to fix this."
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Or, you know, well, so lately is what i was trying to say
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A while ago, the last couple years i've been more conscious
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Of going, "why don't i just take that to the lord?"
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That's what the holy spirit's here for.
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He's here to help us.
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He's the one to come alongside to guide us
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And to help us in daily living life,
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And showing god's love and whatever.
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Why don't i just pray about that?
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- yeah, that's so good.
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You know, i may have mentioned this,
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But god puts things in our lives on purpose
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That we can't do on our own.
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It may be a challenge, it may be a dream,
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But i think that's where you have to say,
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"i'm gonna tap into the power of prayer.
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And god, i believe, and you know, it's releasing your faith.
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You're saying, "god, i know you can do something
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That i can't do," and i think that's what puts that,
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You know, when you put your dependency on him,
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That's what allows god to do amazing things.
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And so it's been one of the core messages
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That i've felt is in me.
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That's why i wanted to put it into a book.
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Because again, i'm not the most skilled minister,
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Or i don't have the most training,
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But i've seen god do things that...
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Take me where i've never dreamed
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From the compact center and all these other things.
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But i come back to what are some key things?
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Well, you gotta take the limits off of god,
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And you gotta believe that he can do things
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That you can't do on your own.
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And it starts by praying bold, believing big.
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And, you know, not just talking about the problem,
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But going to god and saying, you know,
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I think it's fine to say, "god, this is a problem.
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I don't see how it can work out,
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But god, i know you're on the throne.
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I've seen you in the past do this.
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So, lord, i'm trusting you."
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And i don't know, i think that's just what allows god
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To do some things that are unusual.
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You know, i go back, i always ask myself,
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How many answers to prayers, how many great things
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Am i not seeing because i'm not asking?
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I'm just thinking about it. i'm just worried.
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How are we gonna make budget?
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Or how's this situation gonna work out?
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First, turning that around and say,
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"lord, i thank you that you're jehovah jireh.
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You're our provider.
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Lord, i thank you that i live under
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The open windows of heaven."
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- thank you, lord. - just, you know,
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Pray in this scripture.
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Just pray what god says about,
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Because i have some people say, you know, like i said,
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You know, i wasn't raised like that.
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That seems too far out for me.
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But i always tell 'em, just pray what god says about you.
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Just like i did, lord, i thank you that i lend,
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I don't have to borrow.
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Lord, i thank you that as for me and my house,
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We will serve the lord.
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You know, that's releasing your faith. praying bold prayers.
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So when we're sitting here,
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Joel and i are usually just kind of
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Right on the verge of giggling each other
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Because we love what god's called us to do, but the.
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- 99% of the time, he and i are in sweats,
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And we're on the side of a hill, running somewhere.
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- yeah. - i almost killed him
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One time in colorado. - yeah.
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- and 'cause he had left his water bottle, and-
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- [joel] same.
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- i would've really felt bad
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If i had been the guy to kill joel osteen.
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It was an awful, okay. - (chuckling) yeah.
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- we're talking about bold prayers.
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It's 2025, "pray bold".
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You know what's interesting?
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My mom and dad had an old-timer in their life.
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His name was paul billheimer,
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And my mom and dad referred to him as dad billheimer,
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And he was papa billheimer.
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He was super old when we were first married.
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So if he was alive today, he'd be like 120 years old.
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I mean, he's been gone a while.
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And he, at one point, joel, became kind of,
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I would call it kind of the patriarch of tbn.
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My mom and dad really adopted him
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When my mom's dad passed away.
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Dad billheimer really became, you know,
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He wrote "destined for the throne"
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And some of these books.
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And lori and i were looking through one of his books
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Because he had a really interesting take on prayer
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That i was rereading before we sat down.
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And the serious side of "pray bold",
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You know, is this, that god chose
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To make man, and he chose
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To administrate his kingdom through our belief.
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So praying, you know, is kind of
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What dad billheimer would say.
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And a lot of the, if there's some old-timers watching,
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You remember dad billheimer,
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You remember "destined for the throne" and "love covers"
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And some of his other books and all.
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But there was a main theme that god shows
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To administrate his kingdom on earth
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Through the faith of his people, believers.
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And that they would basically use it
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As on-the-job training for eternity, okay?
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So, you know, please understand
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That there is, yeah, there's dreams
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And desires that can be big.
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Health issues can be bold prayers.
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Loved ones can be...
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Coming back to the kingdom can be bold prayers.
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There's a lot of different kinds of bold prayers.
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But when you take it to a level
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That dad billheimer did back in the day,
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He was saying god leaves the policing of this earth to us.
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We have that authority.
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And whether we ever take it or not-
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- [joel] yeah.
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- is just our loss or our gain.
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And so, i know that this subject can go very deep
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And it can go very serious very quickly.
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But prayer is a mystery.
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There is a mystery- - yeah.
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- that god chooses to work through us.
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And what we're asked to do is
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Call those things that are not-
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- yeah. - as though they are.
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- yeah. - "let the weak say,
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I am strong, and man, there's some people out there
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That go absolutely ape crazy,
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Out of their minds when they think
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That means something about money
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Or they think we think that's something
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About this or that. - yeah.
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- but i mean, "let the weak say, i am strong."
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- yeah, yeah. - okay,
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You know, and god has given us everything that pertains
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To life and godliness. - yeah.
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- whether we administrate that,
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And i think prayer is a super important thing, no joke.
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- yeah, no, that's so good, man, i love that.
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When you were talking, i was thinking about even jabez
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In the scripture, and you know,
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His name means sorrow and pain and all that.
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There's, y'all know the story.
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But, you know, he dared to pray.
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He said, "god, bless me indeed, enlarge my territory."
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You know, there's that whole list of people in the bible
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And, you know, the descendants,
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And he stands out by praying that,
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Just that simple prayer, "bless me indeed."
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And i often thought about, you know,
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It'd been one thing to just say,
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"god, bless me and help me to make it through."
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But here's a guy that his whole, you know,
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Was declared over him sorrow and pain.
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But he dared to declare, "god, bless me indeed."
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In other words, to me, he had a vision
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That, "i can stand out in the crowd.
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"i can do something with my life that,"
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You know, "that makes a difference."
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And to me, to see that, that god enlarged his territory,
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Gave him favor and all, but you know,
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We wouldn't be talking about jabez
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If he hadn't prayed that bold prayer, just say, "god...
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You know, it's one thing to say, "god-
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- this year and help me to make it through
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And help my children.
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But why don't you dare to say, "god bless me indeed.
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God, do something. show yourself strong in my life."
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I was reading in psalms the other day too. i love this.
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The psalmist said, "god, show me a sign of your favor
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So that even my enemies know you're on my side"
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Or something, but i've been praying that every day.
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"lord, show me a sign of your favor today."
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Not just for my enemies, but show out in my life.
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Do something i haven't seen.
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Just releasing the faith again to build the kingdom.
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- you know, hebrews four says,
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"let us therefore come boldly.
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Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace
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That we may obtain grace and mercy
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In the day that we need it."
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So that's hebrews and the writer of hebrews is declaring
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That we need to come boldly to the throne.
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And then, i guess unless you understand grace first,
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That our righteousness is because of christ,
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That we come boldly to the throne,
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But we're supposed to administrate something
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Here on earth.
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We're supposed to have a bigger say in what goes on
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In a lot of things in the world.
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And a lot of times we as christians
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Just don't step into the authority.
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And it feels like we need to.
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It feels like there's something
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That on occasion we're missing.
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Okay, 2025, brand new year, brand new thinking.
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You might have noticed there was a presidential election
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A few months ago that, oh my god, that, you know,
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The dynamic of what's going on in the earth today,
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It feels like god is giving us an opportunity.
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It feels that way. that unique thing.
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And you write a book called "pray bold."
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It comes out when it comes out.
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Here we sit today, it's january 7th. the book is out now.
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Make sure people, you know, understand,
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This feels like some kind of setup, you know?
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But you wrote this a year ago or longer.
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I mean, this really happened in this timing.
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Let's not it be lost on us.
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- no, i think you're exactly right.
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You know, matt stepping into a new year, a new season,
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God's doing new things, and i think that's the time
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That we as believers have to, you know, have to step up.
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Like, just to take that authority and believe and,
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You know, impact the culture.
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That's what i love about tbm, what you guys do, you know?
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Impacting the culture and, you know,
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Just making a difference in all your different endeavors.
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But i don't know, to me, as we start the year,
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It's important how you start it 'cause a lot of times
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It'll determine what kind of year you're going to have.
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And so if we start it, just let me get through,
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Just mediocre and man, another year, i hope i make it,
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That sets limits, but i believe when we start this year,
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Say, "god, i believe is it is a year that you can show out
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In my life that i can see your goodness in new ways."
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And, you know, that's what allows god to do things.
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I think what you said too, matt, was so important,
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You know, coming boldly to the throne.
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'cause, you know, being a pastor, i get to talk
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To a lot of people and you know, a common thing is,
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"you know, i don't feel worthy.
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I've made too many mistakes and i wasn't raised like you"
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And we go on and on, but it's like you said,
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It's not our righteousness, it's what jesus did for us.
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And so you have to take his righteousness and say,
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"god, you made me worthy.
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Therefore, i can come boldly before the throne."
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I always liken it to my children.
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If my children, when they were younger,
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If they come up to you and just felt
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Like a weak worm of the dust,
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And "dad, i don't deserve this,
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But can i just have a little drink of water?"
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We would say, "what are you talking about? you're my child.
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You're my son, you're my daughter.
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Come on in, go to the refrigerator.
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What i have belongs to you."
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I think that's, you know, understanding grace
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And god's love and mercy, knowing that you're a child
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Of the most high, that you're his prized possession.
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That god chose you before you could choose him.
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Even, you know, sometimes we kid about,
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April always kids that she's my parent's favorite child.
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But sometimes i think you have to go to god like,
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"god, i believe i'm your favorite."
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Not in arrogance, but just knowing that he loves you.
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Then that's when you can say,
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"god, you put this dream in my heart,"
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Or "god, you know," back for us, you know, in 1981 it was,
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"god, you know, my mother has been given
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A few weeks to live with terminal cancer."
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And so there we could have said,
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"okay, god, maybe this is your will.
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You know, give us peace to make it through as she passes,"
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And, you know, i know people pray like that
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And we do need comfort and sometimes that happens.
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But you know what?
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My dad gathered us all in the living room.
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It was around christmas.
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It was around christmas time of that year in 1981.
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And boy, i was expecting to come home from college
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And celebrate and have fun, all my family's there.
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But man, never dreamed we'd get this news.
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I mean, it was solemn, but daddy gathered us all around
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And we prayed a bold prayer.
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We said, "god, you made my mother's body, you--"
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- we heal back in the bible days,
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We believe you can do even what medicine can't do,
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'cause there was no medicine back then.
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I don't even know if there is now for that kind of cancer.
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But we prayed, we believed,
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And nothing happened immediately.
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It's just like she was just the same.
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But my mother had that attitude of faith,
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And she just, instead of going back to bed,
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Other than normal times,
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She would make herself stay up
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And not sink down into depression.
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I would hear her walking through the house,
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"i thank you, lord, that i'm healed
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And you're restoring health back into me.
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I will live and not die."
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And, dodie, how you doing?
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And she's, "by his stripes, i'm healed."
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It was just a,
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You know, it was just a report of victory.
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- yeah. - and you know,
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That bold prayer over time,
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It became a reality.
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And my mother turned 91 years old last year,
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And she's strong and healthy still at the services.
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But you know, that's what god can do
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And so it's just reiterating,
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Let's take the limits off of god.
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There's probably something god's put in your heart
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That you can't accomplish on your own.
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Maybe it's your dream,
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Or maybe it's a challenge you're up against.
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But you know, if you'll dare to say,
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"god, i don't see a way,
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But god, i know you have a way.
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God, my trust, my confidence in you."
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You know, dare to pray.
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You don't even have to tell everybody about it,
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But pray over what god's put in your heart,
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And just stay in faith in the meantime.
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I think the other part of bold prayer is the part of,
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You know, waiting for it to come to pass,
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Believing that at the appointed time,
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God, you will make it happen.
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And a lot of times, you don't see anything changing
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Until something suddenly happens.
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So you could think, "god,"
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Or even, you know, just a simple illustration,
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Those israelites walking around the walls of jericho,
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You'd think if they walked around,
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What, six or seven days, six days.
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You'd think at least that if they saw a few cracks
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In the walls or some rubble. (matt laughs)
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But you know what, they saw no sign,
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Then, suddenly on the seventh day.
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So that's what i encourage you with that.
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You know, you prayed, you believe,
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You're staying in faith,
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And maybe you don't see anything happening,
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But that doesn't mean god's not working.
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God's working behind the scenes right now in your life,
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And if you will stay faithful in those times,
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Where you don't see anything happening,
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And that means keeping a smile on your face,
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Having praise coming outta your mouth,
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Declaring victory when you're not seeing any of that,
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That's passing the test.
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I believe you're gonna come into one of those suddenlies
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Where, you know, just unexpectedly,
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You see god turn it around,
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Or a child comes back home,
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Or your health turns around,
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Or a door opens for your dream.
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And so stay in faith,
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Pray bold, and then just,
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You know, keep declaring and know that god's working.
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The times you don't see anything happening,
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That's the time that god's seeing what you're made of.
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You know, seeing...
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That's where you gotta show god,
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"god, i'm gonna trust you,
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Whether i see a sign of this or whether i don't,
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I believe what you promised will come to pass."
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- you know, joel, you just answered largely
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A conversation laurie and i were having in the car
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On the way to the studio. (laurie laughs)
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Because, laurie said something about,
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I'll paraphrase.
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Basically she started by saying,
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You know, personally, it feels like sometimes
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I wanna be careful in my prayer.
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- [joel] yeah.
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- because i don't wanna pray something
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That doesn't get answered,
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Because i'm praying it outside of god's will or something.
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So my response to that was something to the effect of,
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Well, isn't everything
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In the kingdom counterintuitive, first of all?
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Yes, most of it feels counterintuitive.
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And the point is, you have to have faith
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'cause it's the only thing that pleases god.
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- [joel] yeah.
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- and that god put that desire in your heart.
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If you pray a desire in your heart,
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Then you're worried that it may not come to pass.
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And then that brings doubt,
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And certainly can't tell anyone else you've prayed
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A bold prayer, 'cause you don't wanna be embarrassed.
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And, you know, because for some reason,
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You know, at least in the,
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Let's say the fabric of the church that i grew up in,
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Is if anything goes wrong in your life,
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You've got sin in your life and you're...
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So, you don't wanna be judged
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To have some kind of real big desire in your heart.
00:27:39.047 --> 00:27:42.016
And, you know, personal testimony,
00:27:42.016 --> 00:27:47.655
We were listening to a post from kim clement
00:27:48.590 --> 00:27:52.927
That just got put around in the internet just recently,
00:27:52.927 --> 00:27:55.563
And kim's been gone for quite a while now.
00:27:55.563 --> 00:27:58.900
He's in heaven, but he was a fairly close friend
00:27:58.900 --> 00:28:02.203
Of laurie and i.
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We knew he and jane very well.
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And it was almost like,
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It made me start thinking about,
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You know, kim clement, and some of the ministry
00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:15.250
And personal times that we would have with him.
00:28:15.250 --> 00:28:18.052
And some of what we feel our job
00:28:18.052 --> 00:28:21.723
Is to culture even through initiatives
00:28:21.723 --> 00:28:25.860
That tbn has been a part of with,
00:28:25.860 --> 00:28:27.762
Like merit street media with dr. phil mcgraw and.
00:28:27.762 --> 00:28:30.431
- some of these other things that we feel like we do.
00:28:31.499 --> 00:28:33.735
Some of the films that we did, we feel like, you know,
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Scripted content is again, coming back into our lives.
00:28:36.304 --> 00:28:40.208
Well, that's a big, bold thing.
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That's a big bold,
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And so sometimes you want to be a little careful
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Because you don't want to either question god.
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You don't wanna, you know, there is such a thing
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As a vain imagination.
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- [joel] yeah, yeah, sure.
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- you know, and you can pray to sing
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With andrea bocelli when you're not a singer.
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Yeah, i could pray that all day long.
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- yeah.
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- i'm never gonna sing with andrea bocelli.
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- yeah.
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- around the table.
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- oh yeah, we prayed the lord's prayer
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Around a dinner table one time.
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But, basically the idea
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That some people think that deep desire is
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So crazy that they give up on it.
00:29:22.083 --> 00:29:24.986
You know?
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But that's kind of what you're asking us
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To do, to pray bold again.
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- it really is, man, and i think a thought
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Of mine is when i get up every morning,
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'cause i think that's a good part 'cause it is
00:29:33.995 --> 00:29:35.763
A fine line, joel, what's my carnal desires?
00:29:35.763 --> 00:29:38.566
And i just want to play professional basketball
00:29:38.566 --> 00:29:40.602
And you're my size.
00:29:40.602 --> 00:29:42.003
But, or, but, you know, i get up every morning.
00:29:42.003 --> 00:29:44.472
I still do it every morning when, when i'm praying, i say,
00:29:44.472 --> 00:29:46.374
God, you know, search my heart.
00:29:46.374 --> 00:29:48.476
God, help me to know, you know, or i'll pray this.
00:29:48.476 --> 00:29:52.413
If i don't feel anything in god, i believe i'm doing
00:29:52.413 --> 00:29:54.282
To the best of my ability, what you've called me to do.
00:29:54.282 --> 00:29:56.885
And so i always tell people this,
00:29:56.885 --> 00:30:00.421
If, well, i'll say it about me.
00:30:00.421 --> 00:30:01.990
If i miss it, i'm gonna miss it
00:30:01.990 --> 00:30:03.191
With a heart that's after god.
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So i believe that at that point,
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God will close wrong doors
00:30:05.894 --> 00:30:07.562
Because there's been plenty of things i prayed about
00:30:07.562 --> 00:30:09.297
And i thought, oh, that was not the right thing.
00:30:09.297 --> 00:30:11.532
You know, it looked like a good idea,
00:30:11.532 --> 00:30:13.835
But the door closed and there was something better.
00:30:13.835 --> 00:30:15.603
So, but i do think if you pray
00:30:15.603 --> 00:30:17.939
And you ask god to, you know, god,
00:30:17.939 --> 00:30:19.807
Help me to see the motive of my heart is, you know,
00:30:19.807 --> 00:30:22.944
I pray god is this for my ego,
00:30:22.944 --> 00:30:24.712
Is this for just any wrong purposes?
00:30:24.712 --> 00:30:26.648
Or god is this part of my destiny?
00:30:26.648 --> 00:30:28.883
Is this something you put in me to build the kingdom?
00:30:28.883 --> 00:30:30.852
Well, i think if you keep your heart pure
00:30:30.852 --> 00:30:32.720
Before god to the best of your ability,
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:34.689
And i'll be the first to say, i can think of three
00:30:34.689 --> 00:30:36.658
Or four big things i prayed about and it didn't happen.
00:30:36.658 --> 00:30:39.294
But you know what, god was protecting me.
00:30:39.294 --> 00:30:41.195
He had something else.
00:30:41.195 --> 00:30:42.497
But i don't wanna come to the end of life,
00:30:42.497 --> 00:30:44.499
I don't want any of us to come to the end of life
00:30:44.499 --> 00:30:46.601
And say, what would've happened if i would've believed?
00:30:46.601 --> 00:30:49.837
If i would've prayed, if i'd have taken
00:30:49.837 --> 00:30:51.372
The limits off of god?
00:30:51.372 --> 00:30:52.874
I mean, i go back to my core story when my dad died.
00:30:52.874 --> 00:30:55.710
You know, i, that was something
00:30:55.710 --> 00:30:58.146
That helped me to step up.
00:30:58.146 --> 00:30:59.280
One, i felt it down in here.
00:30:59.280 --> 00:31:00.748
I thought, i know i'm supposed to pastor this church.
00:31:00.748 --> 00:31:02.884
But here's the thing, i did not know if i'd be any good,
00:31:02.884 --> 00:31:06.187
And i didn't know if people would stay.
00:31:06.187 --> 00:31:07.989
And you know what, i was okay with that,
00:31:07.989 --> 00:31:09.524
'cause i thought i really did,
00:31:09.524 --> 00:31:11.125
I'm not being super spiritual,
00:31:11.125 --> 00:31:12.727
But i thought if i'm not good
00:31:12.727 --> 00:31:14.162
Or if people don't stay, i'll go back
00:31:14.162 --> 00:31:15.763
To doing television production with me
00:31:15.763 --> 00:31:17.865
And matt and gloria have done our whole life.
00:31:17.865 --> 00:31:19.801
And so i thought i'll go back to that.
00:31:19.801 --> 00:31:21.369
I'm not, but it was the boldness to take a risk,
00:31:21.369 --> 00:31:24.405
A boldness to pray and believe that, to the best
00:31:24.405 --> 00:31:27.575
Of my ability, this is something god wanted me to do.
00:31:27.575 --> 00:31:29.410
Well, again, i go back to let's don't come to the end
00:31:29.410 --> 00:31:32.780
Of life and say, man, i wonder
00:31:32.780 --> 00:31:34.048
What would've happened if i would've
00:31:34.048 --> 00:31:35.216
Stepped up and pastored the church.
00:31:35.216 --> 00:31:36.784
I mean, i would've never,
00:31:36.784 --> 00:31:37.986
I wouldn't be here with you guys
00:31:37.986 --> 00:31:39.187
And seen all the things that we've seen.
00:31:39.187 --> 00:31:41.155
And so again, it goes back to, i know i've tried
00:31:41.155 --> 00:31:45.526
To convey it, but i didn't feel qualified.
00:31:45.526 --> 00:31:48.763
I didn't feel worthy enough.
00:31:48.763 --> 00:31:50.031
My dad was a great pastor
00:31:50.031 --> 00:31:51.532
And i didn't feel like i had this big personality
00:31:51.532 --> 00:31:53.968
And there were a hundred thoughts
00:31:53.968 --> 00:31:55.903
Telling me the reason i couldn't.
00:31:55.903 --> 00:31:57.171
But you have to get outta your own mind
00:31:57.171 --> 00:31:59.040
And say, god, i know you put this dream in my heart
00:31:59.040 --> 00:32:01.909
And i believe
00:32:01.909 --> 00:32:03.211
That you can make ways where i don't see a way.
00:32:03.211 --> 00:32:05.346
And, you know, i think there's other parts to it too,
00:32:05.346 --> 00:32:07.582
Honoring god, staying in faith
00:32:07.582 --> 00:32:09.617
And, you know, not getting bitter if
00:32:09.617 --> 00:32:11.886
That door doesn't open the way you thought
00:32:11.886 --> 00:32:13.654
And trusting, okay, god, you had something better.
00:32:13.654 --> 00:32:16.391
But man, i think a big part
00:32:16.391 --> 00:32:18.393
Of it is we discount ourselves.
00:32:18.393 --> 00:32:21.095
I mean even david, i mean, i won't,
00:32:21.095 --> 00:32:24.599
I'll go through all the whole bible,
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:26.100
But even david, i mean, you know,
00:32:26.100 --> 00:32:27.802
He could have discounted himself.
00:32:27.802 --> 00:32:29.303
Oh, i got this slingshot, i got this rock.
00:32:29.303 --> 00:32:30.972
But look what god can do,
00:32:30.972 --> 00:32:32.407
When you dare to believe, you trust,
00:32:32.407 --> 00:32:34.675
You put your faith in him.
00:32:34.675 --> 00:32:36.611
- the lord says he gives you the desires of your heart.
00:32:36.611 --> 00:32:40.014
- yes.
00:32:40.014 --> 00:32:41.482
- and that's what our core discussion was on the way
00:32:41.482 --> 00:32:44.252
To the studio today.
00:32:44.252 --> 00:32:46.054
That you have to kind of by faith believe that.
00:32:46.054 --> 00:32:48.856
Because, you know, thank you talk unqualified.
00:32:48.856 --> 00:32:52.093
You know, joel, you know, most people
00:32:52.093 --> 00:32:55.730
That have followed tbn for all these 50 years
00:32:55.730 --> 00:32:59.634
Or so, know that we did a movie called the omega code.
00:32:59.634 --> 00:33:04.372
- [joel] yeah.
00:33:04.372 --> 00:33:05.673
- well that wasn't a very good movie, joel.
00:33:05.673 --> 00:33:08.009
I mean, and now we're talking about doing scripted content.
00:33:08.009 --> 00:33:10.545
See, but what god requires is he chooses the foolish
00:33:10.545 --> 00:33:15.550
To confound the wise, you know, the very fact
00:33:15.550 --> 00:33:18.786
That you didn't feel qualified to pastor the church.
00:33:18.786 --> 00:33:21.522
The fact that we don't feel qualified to go into, you know,
00:33:21.522 --> 00:33:25.326
Scripted content
00:33:25.326 --> 00:33:26.727
And these big things is exactly the reason god can use.
00:33:26.727 --> 00:33:30.498
- and you have to trust that and think of this,
00:33:31.499 --> 00:33:35.670
A lot of what we feel is right now,
00:33:35.670 --> 00:33:39.240
Even 2025 and beyond things for us,
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:43.111
And for, you know, the ones that are in our immediate circle
00:33:43.111 --> 00:33:47.482
Here at tbn and merit street
00:33:47.482 --> 00:33:49.450
And some of the other channels that we have
00:33:49.450 --> 00:33:51.519
And we've got some announcements.
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.255
We're kind of growing a little bit,
00:33:54.255 --> 00:33:55.923
And we're gonna make that announcement here
00:33:55.923 --> 00:33:57.492
Pretty soon in 2025, and all of that.
00:33:57.492 --> 00:34:01.829
But listen, that was 32 years ago, okay.
00:34:01.829 --> 00:34:05.666
So what's been inside of you, you know,
00:34:05.666 --> 00:34:09.737
32 years that, you know, we gave it a shot.
00:34:09.737 --> 00:34:14.542
We did the best we could with what we had, joel.
00:34:14.542 --> 00:34:17.178
We didn't have the best of anything really.
00:34:17.178 --> 00:34:20.615
We just had a desire to get started
00:34:20.615 --> 00:34:24.385
And at least we did that.
00:34:24.385 --> 00:34:26.454
- you know, i think so much of this
00:34:26.454 --> 00:34:28.156
Just comes down to my personal faith and belief in god.
00:34:28.156 --> 00:34:31.859
- yeah. - sure.
00:34:31.859 --> 00:34:33.027
- you know, in hebrews 13 it says,
00:34:33.027 --> 00:34:35.997
"let your conduct be without covetousness.
00:34:35.997 --> 00:34:39.433
Be content with such things as you have,
00:34:39.433 --> 00:34:43.037
For he himself has said, 'i will never leave you,
00:34:43.037 --> 00:34:47.808
Nor forsake you,' so we may boldly say,
00:34:47.808 --> 00:34:52.213
'the lord is my helper.'
00:34:52.213 --> 00:34:54.916
I will not fear what can man do to me."
00:34:54.916 --> 00:34:58.119
- that's so good. - and i think, god,
00:34:58.119 --> 00:34:59.954
You know, the only way that we even please god is by faith.
00:34:59.954 --> 00:35:03.257
- [joel] yeah.
00:35:03.257 --> 00:35:04.659
- and so, if i have enough faith
00:35:04.659 --> 00:35:07.094
To come boldly before abba father, my father,
00:35:07.094 --> 00:35:12.033
And say, "god, you never leave me, you will not forsake me.
00:35:12.033 --> 00:35:16.304
I will boldly say, 'you're here to help me.'"
00:35:16.304 --> 00:35:19.507
And so i am going to believe big, i am going to believe
00:35:19.507 --> 00:35:24.912
That those things that i can't see,
00:35:25.646 --> 00:35:27.048
That there's impossible for me to do.
00:35:27.048 --> 00:35:30.518
With you all things are possible.
00:35:30.518 --> 00:35:33.654
And so i'm going to believe well,
00:35:33.654 --> 00:35:35.723
I am going to be strong in my faith.
00:35:35.723 --> 00:35:38.759
I'm going to be bold in my prayers
00:35:38.759 --> 00:35:41.963
And just see what god would do for you.
00:35:41.963 --> 00:35:44.498
You know, he says his eyes are searching.
00:35:44.498 --> 00:35:46.801
He's looking for somebody who would reach out in faith.
00:35:46.801 --> 00:35:51.305
The little lady with the issue of blood that said,
00:35:51.305 --> 00:35:53.140
"you know what, i think that if i could just reach out
00:35:53.140 --> 00:35:57.945
And touch the hem of his garment, i could be made whole."
00:35:57.945 --> 00:36:01.983
She had a thought that all of my searching and my striving
00:36:01.983 --> 00:36:07.455
And my sickness and my pain, if i could just reach out
00:36:08.556 --> 00:36:13.527
And touch him somehow, that i could maybe be healed
00:36:13.527 --> 00:36:19.700
If i did that.
00:36:20.067 --> 00:36:21.469
You know, and then jesus turns around and says,
00:36:21.469 --> 00:36:24.805
"whoa, who touched me?"
00:36:24.805 --> 00:36:26.841
And i think that in these days, in the year of 2025,
00:36:26.841 --> 00:36:31.379
That if the bible was be being written today,
00:36:31.379 --> 00:36:34.815
Who would he be writing about?
00:36:34.815 --> 00:36:36.417
- [joel] yeah.
00:36:36.417 --> 00:36:37.685
- would it be that there was this little girl
00:36:37.685 --> 00:36:40.187
Sitting in southern california right now
00:36:40.187 --> 00:36:42.757
That is believing something
00:36:42.757 --> 00:36:44.292
And i'm just gonna say a bold prayer,
00:36:44.292 --> 00:36:46.327
"god, i think that if i just believe you for this,
00:36:46.327 --> 00:36:49.930
That maybe this could happen for me."
00:36:49.930 --> 00:36:52.233
That maybe god sitting on his throne would say,
00:36:52.233 --> 00:36:54.969
"whoa. who touched me today?"
00:36:54.969 --> 00:36:58.139
Right, because our faith is what,
00:36:58.139 --> 00:37:01.175
I get bold when i talk about my faith.
00:37:02.009 --> 00:37:05.780
That's kind of the only, and my kids. (chuckles)
00:37:05.780 --> 00:37:09.884
My kids and my faith.
00:37:09.884 --> 00:37:12.486
Because my faith is everything to me, right?
00:37:12.486 --> 00:37:17.091
And so we can boldly say things, i think,
00:37:17.091 --> 00:37:20.061
And i think that's what god loves.
00:37:20.061 --> 00:37:22.530
Take the limits off of him.
00:37:22.530 --> 00:37:24.198
He can do exceeding abundantly the impossible
00:37:24.198 --> 00:37:28.703
That we can't even think of.
00:37:28.703 --> 00:37:31.339
- i know.
00:37:31.339 --> 00:37:32.606
That's so good, lori. i love that, lori.
00:37:32.606 --> 00:37:34.375
I love that we can boldly say the lord is our helper.
00:37:34.375 --> 00:37:37.078
I mean, there's so times through the scripture,
00:37:37.078 --> 00:37:38.746
It's talking about that boldness.
00:37:38.746 --> 00:37:40.047
And i think, you know,
00:37:40.047 --> 00:37:42.149
Sometimes we can be lacking in some of that.
00:37:42.149 --> 00:37:44.819
But that's what the book's about.
00:37:44.819 --> 00:37:46.687
That's what we're discussing today.
00:37:46.687 --> 00:37:48.689
Even in that story, lori,
00:37:48.689 --> 00:37:50.324
I love that because there were other people
00:37:50.324 --> 00:37:52.026
In the crowd that day that,
00:37:52.026 --> 00:37:53.427
That probably bumped up against jesus.
00:37:53.427 --> 00:37:55.529
- yeah. sure. - sure.
00:37:55.529 --> 00:37:57.064
- but they didn't receive- - they didn't have the faith.
00:37:57.064 --> 00:37:58.199
They didn't receive, yeah.
00:37:58.199 --> 00:37:59.567
- they weren't releasing their faith and that lady,
00:37:59.567 --> 00:38:01.402
What a bold prayer and a bold move to, you know,
00:38:01.402 --> 00:38:04.472
What was it, 12 years she had been sick?
00:38:04.472 --> 00:38:06.273
And she thought, man, i gotta stay at home.
00:38:06.273 --> 00:38:07.808
I'm tired, i'm weak, and all this stuff.
00:38:07.808 --> 00:38:09.777
But that's what we're saying in 2025,
00:38:09.777 --> 00:38:12.246
Let's be the ones that reach out and touch and say,
00:38:12.246 --> 00:38:14.215
"god, exceed my expectations.
00:38:14.215 --> 00:38:16.517
God, show out strong in my life
00:38:16.517 --> 00:38:18.619
So i can be a bigger blessing,
00:38:18.619 --> 00:38:20.421
So i can help build the kingdom."
00:38:20.421 --> 00:38:22.556
Really believe god wants to make his believers
00:38:22.556 --> 00:38:25.226
Examples of what it means to follow christ,
00:38:25.226 --> 00:38:28.095
An example of his goodness, and so i think.
00:38:28.095 --> 00:38:31.265
- that's why, you know, matt,
00:38:31.899 --> 00:38:32.700
You guys have seen tbn,
00:38:32.700 --> 00:38:34.101
Y'all takin' it to a new level.
00:38:34.101 --> 00:38:35.503
You're seeing merit street impacting the culture,
00:38:35.503 --> 00:38:37.938
And believe, i love that, laurie.
00:38:37.938 --> 00:38:39.940
God's looking, the eyes of the lord
00:38:39.940 --> 00:38:42.009
Search to and fro to show himself strong.
00:38:42.009 --> 00:38:44.211
And man, i wanna say,
00:38:44.211 --> 00:38:45.446
"god, show yourself strong through me
00:38:45.446 --> 00:38:46.614
To again, build the kingdom,
00:38:46.614 --> 00:38:48.649
Not just to, not to build our kingdom,
00:38:48.649 --> 00:38:50.684
But to be a blessing, to impact the culture.
00:38:50.684 --> 00:38:53.988
That's what, you know, when you were saying that,
00:38:53.988 --> 00:38:55.423
That resonated with me,
00:38:55.423 --> 00:38:56.791
'cause matt, as believers, you know,
00:38:56.791 --> 00:38:58.759
We're supposed to have some kinda impact,
00:38:58.759 --> 00:39:00.428
Whether it's- - yeah.
00:39:00.428 --> 00:39:01.562
- you know, it's your work. - sure.
00:39:01.562 --> 00:39:02.563
- you know, you can impact,
00:39:02.563 --> 00:39:03.864
You can change, you can affect the atmosphere.
00:39:03.864 --> 00:39:05.800
Everybody else is complaining, and dan,
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:07.501
You come in with,
00:39:07.501 --> 00:39:08.669
(lauri laughs) "man, god is good.
00:39:08.669 --> 00:39:09.637
It's gonna be a great year."
00:39:09.637 --> 00:39:11.105
I mean, that's what we're called to do,
00:39:11.105 --> 00:39:12.339
To make a difference, to, you know,
00:39:12.339 --> 00:39:14.108
To impact the culture.
00:39:14.108 --> 00:39:15.242
- you know, and something
00:39:15.242 --> 00:39:16.544
That drives people is desperation.
00:39:16.544 --> 00:39:20.614
- [joel] yeah.
00:39:20.614 --> 00:39:21.582
- being desperate for something.
00:39:21.582 --> 00:39:22.750
- [joel] yeah. - being desperate
00:39:22.750 --> 00:39:23.484
For a change.
00:39:23.484 --> 00:39:24.452
- [joel] yeah.
00:39:24.452 --> 00:39:25.753
- being dissatisfied with the way things are
00:39:25.753 --> 00:39:28.522
Is some of the best stuff
00:39:28.522 --> 00:39:29.990
That could ever happen on the inside of us is,
00:39:29.990 --> 00:39:32.693
I am not content with the way things are.
00:39:32.693 --> 00:39:36.797
I am desperate for god to do something.
00:39:36.797 --> 00:39:39.733
So let me
00:39:39.733 --> 00:39:40.734
Pray something bold. - yeah.
00:39:40.734 --> 00:39:42.670
- let me, i am in despair.
00:39:42.670 --> 00:39:45.105
I'm dissatisfied with the way
00:39:45.105 --> 00:39:47.074
I have seen things go in my life.
00:39:47.074 --> 00:39:49.109
I am going to believe
00:39:49.109 --> 00:39:50.311
For something better. - yeah, yeah.
00:39:50.311 --> 00:39:51.712
- you know, so no matter where you are today,
00:39:51.712 --> 00:39:53.514
If you feel like you're, i heard somebody say that,
00:39:53.514 --> 00:39:56.183
"i never knew that god's," what, it was that
00:39:56.183 --> 00:39:59.787
"the end of your rope had a basement."
00:39:59.787 --> 00:40:01.455
(joel and laurie laughing)
00:40:01.455 --> 00:40:02.857
Right? - that's good, yeah.
00:40:02.857 --> 00:40:03.858
- so you might be
00:40:03.858 --> 00:40:04.859
In that basement today. - yeah.
00:40:04.859 --> 00:40:06.060
- that is god calling on your faith,
00:40:06.060 --> 00:40:09.296
Just saying, "try me."
00:40:09.296 --> 00:40:12.266
- that's good, i love that. - "try me, test me."
00:40:12.266 --> 00:40:13.734
- that's so good, laurie,
00:40:13.734 --> 00:40:14.869
Because that is a great motivator,
00:40:14.869 --> 00:40:16.937
Is just being dissatisfied,
00:40:16.937 --> 00:40:18.439
And i say it, you know,
00:40:18.439 --> 00:40:20.107
Not settling for a life of mediocrity
00:40:20.107 --> 00:40:22.142
When you know you have more in you.
00:40:22.142 --> 00:40:23.878
- yeah. - or you're learning
00:40:23.878 --> 00:40:24.812
To live with an addiction
00:40:24.812 --> 00:40:26.046
Or live with, you know,
00:40:26.046 --> 00:40:27.314
Just negative mentality or whatever it is,
00:40:27.314 --> 00:40:29.650
Or living thinking that, "you know what?
00:40:29.650 --> 00:40:31.819
I could never accomplish my dreams."
00:40:31.819 --> 00:40:33.387
Well, this is the year to say,
00:40:33.387 --> 00:40:34.655
"god, i've taken the limits off of you.
00:40:34.655 --> 00:40:37.091
I'm not gonna just go another 10 years dissatisfied,
00:40:37.091 --> 00:40:40.494
Just accepting mediocrity.
00:40:40.494 --> 00:40:42.696
You have greatness in you.
00:40:42.696 --> 00:40:43.998
- [laurie] yeah.
00:40:43.998 --> 00:40:45.399
- god has put, you know, his dna in every one of us,
00:40:45.399 --> 00:40:48.068
And you can rise higher.
00:40:48.068 --> 00:40:49.737
You can set new standards for your family.
00:40:49.737 --> 00:40:52.706
- [laurie] yeah.
00:40:52.706 --> 00:40:53.541
- you know, god's call.
00:40:53.541 --> 00:40:54.475
You wouldn't be hearing this
00:40:54.475 --> 00:40:55.776
If god didn't want you to go to new levels.
00:40:55.776 --> 00:40:57.311
And i believe it starts with, number one, honoring god,
00:40:57.311 --> 00:40:59.613
But then taking the limits off of him.
00:40:59.613 --> 00:41:02.249
Dare to him in your quiet time.
00:41:02.249 --> 00:41:03.951
Pray some bold prayers.
00:41:03.951 --> 00:41:05.886
You know, i pray all the time,
00:41:05.886 --> 00:41:07.555
Lord, let my children supersede anything we've done.
00:41:07.555 --> 00:41:10.925
Lord, let lakewood,
00:41:10.925 --> 00:41:12.226
I pray this every morning.
00:41:12.226 --> 00:41:13.561
Lord, let lakewood be a lighthouse of hope,
00:41:13.561 --> 00:41:14.895
Hundreds of years from now.
00:41:14.895 --> 00:41:16.430
I'm not even gonna be here.
00:41:16.430 --> 00:41:17.998
I don't know what's gonna happen, but you know what?
00:41:17.998 --> 00:41:18.999
I wanna release my faith, god.
00:41:18.999 --> 00:41:20.134
- [laurie] yes.
00:41:20.134 --> 00:41:21.335
- let it be a lighthouse of hope.
00:41:21.335 --> 00:41:22.369
So, you know, my dad used to say,
00:41:22.369 --> 00:41:24.672
"i'd rather pray big and miss it a little,
00:41:24.672 --> 00:41:27.708
Than pray small and achieve it."
00:41:27.708 --> 00:41:29.343
And i think that's sometimes what we do.
00:41:29.343 --> 00:41:31.111
- you might as well shoot for the stars-
00:41:31.111 --> 00:41:32.780
- yeah. - and hit the top
00:41:32.780 --> 00:41:33.614
Of the mountain.
00:41:33.614 --> 00:41:34.915
If you only shoot for the top of the mountain,
00:41:34.915 --> 00:41:36.450
You might hit a telephone pole.
00:41:36.450 --> 00:41:37.585
(laurie laughs)
00:41:37.585 --> 00:41:38.419
- [joel] yeah.
00:41:38.419 --> 00:41:39.720
- okay, first of all, it feels like joel and i
00:41:39.720 --> 00:41:40.988
Got transported onto the set
00:41:40.988 --> 00:41:42.456
Of the "better together," you know?
00:41:42.456 --> 00:41:43.857
(laurie laughs) because you're,
00:41:43.857 --> 00:41:45.292
And your eyes are flashing- - well and-
00:41:45.292 --> 00:41:46.927
(joel laughs)
00:41:46.927 --> 00:41:48.162
- and since you're wearing a green sweater,
00:41:48.162 --> 00:41:50.497
Your eyes look green to me-
00:41:50.497 --> 00:41:52.099
- they do? - instead of blue.
00:41:52.099 --> 00:41:53.033
- yeah, it's really,
00:41:53.033 --> 00:41:54.268
Really kind of bold. - i love, though,
00:41:54.268 --> 00:41:55.469
The book has beautiful prayers in it.
00:41:55.469 --> 00:41:57.304
- yeah. - so it helps you.
00:41:57.304 --> 00:41:58.906
You might not, you know,
00:41:58.906 --> 00:42:00.341
You might not feel like,
00:42:00.341 --> 00:42:01.809
I love to have someone join their faith with mine.
00:42:01.809 --> 00:42:05.245
It's like every time,
00:42:05.245 --> 00:42:08.148
That i have talked to victoria about something,
00:42:09.083 --> 00:42:12.686
We pray about it, and she prays.
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:17.091
And every time i have had that agreement.
00:42:17.091 --> 00:42:22.663
- [joel] yeah.
00:42:23.030 --> 00:42:23.998
- and i'll say with victoria,
00:42:23.998 --> 00:42:26.066
Because so many times it's happened,
00:42:26.066 --> 00:42:29.203
"man, things have been answered within days for me."
00:42:29.203 --> 00:42:33.674
- [joel] mm.
00:42:33.674 --> 00:42:34.942
- and it's just that agreement in prayer.
00:42:34.942 --> 00:42:36.377
So sometimes, you know, we feel like,
00:42:36.377 --> 00:42:38.746
"man, it feels like i'm just going against everything."
00:42:38.746 --> 00:42:42.449
We want to join our faith with you today.
00:42:42.449 --> 00:42:46.320
And in this book there are beautiful prayers
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.457
That joel has written.
00:42:50.457 --> 00:42:53.460
And we can lend our faith-
00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:55.996
- yeah. - to these prayers,
00:42:55.996 --> 00:42:57.531
And add our faith to these prayers.
00:42:57.531 --> 00:43:00.334
And i just think there's something powerful,
00:43:00.334 --> 00:43:02.870
Powerful about that,
00:43:02.870 --> 00:43:04.672
In believing with each other.
00:43:04.672 --> 00:43:06.240
- [joel] yeah.
00:43:06.240 --> 00:43:07.374
- you know, it's just-
00:43:07.374 --> 00:43:10.244
- this. - we're better together.
00:43:10.911 --> 00:43:12.246
I feel like we're- - we're always
00:43:12.246 --> 00:43:13.380
Better together. - since you said it.
00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:15.082
- [joel] i love that.
00:43:15.082 --> 00:43:16.016
- i must, (laughs) i believe it.
00:43:16.016 --> 00:43:19.053
- let me tell you a funny story.
00:43:19.053 --> 00:43:20.621
I get in, laurie and i are in the parking lot
00:43:20.621 --> 00:43:23.490
Of a grocery store.
00:43:23.490 --> 00:43:25.125
All i need to do is go in
00:43:25.125 --> 00:43:26.627
And go get some protein powder.
00:43:26.627 --> 00:43:28.996
So she gets a.
00:43:28.996 --> 00:43:30.664
- just says listen, i gotta call victoria anyway.
00:43:31.699 --> 00:43:33.500
I'll call her and just sit in the car.
00:43:33.500 --> 00:43:36.070
So i go in, and i'm in there maybe 10 minutes, come back,
00:43:36.070 --> 00:43:41.408
And as soon as i get in the car, you know,
00:43:42.309 --> 00:43:44.078
She's just talking 100 miles an hour, her and victoria,
00:43:44.078 --> 00:43:47.047
And she goes, "yeah, he's back in the car now.
00:43:47.047 --> 00:43:48.849
I'll call you back later." (all laughing)
00:43:48.849 --> 00:43:51.485
So i have a feeling that-
00:43:51.485 --> 00:43:53.020
- talk later. - victoria and laurie
00:43:53.020 --> 00:43:55.322
Pray about us on occasion.
00:43:55.322 --> 00:43:57.057
I have a feeling-
00:43:57.057 --> 00:43:58.025
- that's a bold (indistinct).
00:43:58.025 --> 00:43:59.960
- so i was feeling a little intimidated at that moment.
00:43:59.960 --> 00:44:04.498
- yeah.
00:44:04.765 --> 00:44:05.933
- "pray bold" is the brand new book.
00:44:05.933 --> 00:44:09.169
It is available today, january 7th,
00:44:09.169 --> 00:44:13.574
And so i'm still trying to figure out
00:44:13.574 --> 00:44:15.476
What they were praying about in regard to us.
00:44:15.476 --> 00:44:19.012
With reflections, questions, bold prayers.
00:44:19.847 --> 00:44:21.982
- made me spit my tea across the room.
00:44:21.982 --> 00:44:24.118
- and listen, i love, you know, one of the books
00:44:25.052 --> 00:44:28.655
That we did, joel, called "praying grace."
00:44:28.655 --> 00:44:31.492
- [joel] yeah.
00:44:31.492 --> 00:44:32.826
- it was a tbn offer that we did
00:44:33.460 --> 00:44:36.196
And we had that book created and written
00:44:36.196 --> 00:44:39.166
And i loved that book and it's a lot like this
00:44:39.166 --> 00:44:44.571
Because you have a prayer here when you need peace.
00:44:45.572 --> 00:44:49.710
- [joel] yeah.
00:44:50.077 --> 00:44:51.211
- when you need strength to endure.
00:44:51.211 --> 00:44:52.146
- yeah. - and these,
00:44:52.146 --> 00:44:53.847
"father, i thank you that you are my strength."
00:44:53.847 --> 00:44:56.950
This isn't just, "hey, this is a good idea, do it."
00:44:56.950 --> 00:45:00.354
It's also, you get to participate with it,
00:45:00.354 --> 00:45:04.258
And you're welcome for that idea
00:45:04.258 --> 00:45:06.794
Because "praying grace" was a really great offer.
00:45:06.794 --> 00:45:09.696
- thank you.
00:45:09.696 --> 00:45:11.064
- and i gave you one, victoria took it-
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- thank you. - and now it's turned
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Into this, this is fantastic, good job.
00:45:14.868 --> 00:45:17.037
- that's our book.
00:45:17.037 --> 00:45:17.938
(all laughing)
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- so listen, we are just a couple of minutes away.
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You know, paul, in 2 corinthians,
00:45:26.346 --> 00:45:29.850
Talks about, "therefore, since we have such a hope
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That we use great boldness of speech."
00:45:33.153 --> 00:45:36.890
- yeah.
00:45:36.890 --> 00:45:38.325
- what do you think he means if he's saying for us,
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We do this sometimes, and for god sakes,
00:45:42.296 --> 00:45:46.900
I don't know what people's problem is with this idea
00:45:46.900 --> 00:45:52.272
That praying bold could be something
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That god put in you when you were a little kid, you know?
00:45:56.143 --> 00:45:59.179
- yeah. - that just something
00:45:59.179 --> 00:46:00.881
In there that just, you know,
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What defined your impressionable little kid?
00:46:02.683 --> 00:46:08.021
You know, i remember thinking what it would be like
00:46:09.089 --> 00:46:13.260
To run general motors when i was a little bitty kid.
00:46:13.260 --> 00:46:16.864
- wow. - you know?
00:46:16.864 --> 00:46:18.065
And these kind of things
00:46:18.065 --> 00:46:21.869
'cause my dad knew a lot about business.
00:46:21.869 --> 00:46:24.504
He was a solid business guy,
00:46:24.504 --> 00:46:27.441
But i didn't go to business school.
00:46:28.208 --> 00:46:29.877
I didn't go to the wharton business school,
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But i watched my dad over all these years,
00:46:32.112 --> 00:46:34.982
Was in his boardroom a lot of my life,
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And i've traveled to over 100 countries
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And i believe that that's what god has done
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So that this 2025, some of these things
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That are 20, 30, 40 years old inside of you,
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That's what i think praying bold is.
00:46:54.635 --> 00:46:56.837
If you wanna ask what is something that's been a desire
00:46:56.837 --> 00:46:59.873
Of your heart for all those years in your life that,
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You know, you think of,
00:47:03.343 --> 00:47:04.745
Who's that sweet little lady
00:47:04.745 --> 00:47:06.146
That was a real phenomenon singer, but she was...
00:47:06.146 --> 00:47:11.118
Tom newman introduced us to her.
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We had her on "praise." - oh.
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- what was her name?
00:47:15.222 --> 00:47:16.123
I can't remember her name.
00:47:16.123 --> 00:47:17.124
Susan boyle. - thanks, karen.
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- so susan boyle, her story of,
00:47:18.125 --> 00:47:22.195
You know, having zero, you know,
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It going on in her singing thing,
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Then all of a sudden she's on like, "i've got talent,"
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Or something like that and next thing she knows,
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She has a world number one album,
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I mean, global number one album.
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- [joel] yeah.
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- and when you think of susan's life,
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That she probably sang when she was a little bitty kid.
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- [joel] yeah.
00:47:44.384 --> 00:47:45.686
- she probably walked around the house singing
00:47:45.686 --> 00:47:46.954
With a melody in her heart and, you know,
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Life just didn't work out, or whatever.
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She didn't have the boldness, let's say.
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- [joel] yeah.
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- and she walks out there in that stage
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At that particular time,
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And the next thing you know,
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She's in the studio recording what will become
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A global number one album
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And that's the what is in you
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That you're afraid to tell somebody else.
00:48:12.612 --> 00:48:15.749
- yeah. - what is that?
00:48:15.749 --> 00:48:17.384
That's what i think you're talking about,
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That boldness deep, deep, deep, deep inside.
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- it really is, matt.
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I go back to that secret things that god has spoken to you
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'cause you know, it's like you said,
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You may be embarrassed to tell somebody else,
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But you don't have to be embarrassed to tell god,
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Even in your quiet time,
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And just, again, to take the limits,
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I think sometimes we believe god has all this power,
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But we discount ourselves like, you know,
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He wouldn't use it through me,
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Or, you know, that's gotta be somebody
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In the bible or somebody else,
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But you gotta believe you're equipped, you're empowered.
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God is the one that put that desire in you.
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He's looking for somebody
00:48:52.352 --> 00:48:53.553
Like the lady laurie mentioned,
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That'll reach out and say,
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"i'm gonna touch the edge of his robe."
00:48:57.124 --> 00:48:58.592
I'm gonna believe that god will do something unusual,
00:48:58.592 --> 00:49:01.528
Uncommon, maybe something that's not happening
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For all my relatives, but you know what?
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God wants to show out in your own life,
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So i do love that, matt, 'cause i saw that in my father too,
00:49:07.467 --> 00:49:11.538
That, you know, we started in that little church
00:49:11.538 --> 00:49:14.741
With 90 people, but i remember my dad believing
00:49:14.741 --> 00:49:17.377
For a sanctuary for 1,000. - wow.
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- we had to believe for the money.
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I saw my dad would, you know,
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I saw that modeled in my own life
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So i had some of that in me,
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But i don't believe everybody was raised like that.
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Some people you've seen doubt.
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- people pushing you down,
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But you know, the enemy would love
00:49:32.692 --> 00:49:33.627
To keep you from your greatness.
00:49:33.627 --> 00:49:35.128
He'd love to keep you from your destiny.
00:49:35.128 --> 00:49:36.930
But when you can stir up what god's put on the inside
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And honor him with your life,
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And again, you don't have to figure out
00:49:42.035 --> 00:49:43.770
How it's gonna happen, all you have to do is believe.
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You believe, god, i believe you can open this door
00:49:46.573 --> 00:49:48.775
So i can go to college, i can get that scholarship,
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Or god, i can start my company,
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Or i can see my whole family serve you.
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I love that again, laurie.
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Don't get stuck in mediocrity.
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Know there's greater things.
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You wouldn't be alive
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Unless you had something greater in front of you.
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And this is important too.
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Somebody needs what you have.
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The world needs what you have.
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They need your smile, they need your gifts,
00:50:11.031 --> 00:50:13.066
They need your ingenuity.
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They need your talent.
00:50:14.634 --> 00:50:16.736
So to me, here at the start of the year,
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This is a time to say, god,
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I'm not just gonna coast through this year,
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You've been good to me,
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God's been good to us and good to the crouches,
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But, you know, god wants to...
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It says the path of the righteous
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Gets brighter and brighter.
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- [matt] there you go.
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- god wants to take you further.
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So let's believe, even guys, as it grows darker
00:50:32.986 --> 00:50:36.389
In the world in general,
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The scripture says it'll grow brighter in the church.
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So we're the ones that are supposed
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To shine brighter than ever during these times.
00:50:42.462 --> 00:50:44.898
- before you pray
00:50:44.898 --> 00:50:46.466
And we've got about five minutes left,
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Let me tattletale on myself.
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Let me give you-- - oh, do tell.
00:50:52.038 --> 00:50:53.140
- -this kind of pray bold thing,
00:50:53.140 --> 00:50:57.544
That under normal circumstances would be something
00:50:57.544 --> 00:51:01.381
That you wouldn't just do like in this kind of a setting.
00:51:01.381 --> 00:51:06.253
And my dad in the last about six months of his life,
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:11.725
He knew he had something
00:51:12.225 --> 00:51:16.096
And short of god's miracle, of course,
00:51:16.096 --> 00:51:18.298
But he just kind of slowly, kind of just dialed down.
00:51:18.298 --> 00:51:22.035
Congestive heart failure, just kind of,
00:51:22.035 --> 00:51:23.937
You just get weaker and weaker and you finally just pass
00:51:23.937 --> 00:51:27.474
And no pain and none of that.
00:51:27.474 --> 00:51:29.509
So we had a lot of conversations.
00:51:29.509 --> 00:51:32.045
And he told me something that he said,
00:51:32.045 --> 00:51:37.250
I've only probably shared this with your mom,
00:51:37.250 --> 00:51:39.853
And i just kept it, one of these bold things, you know?
00:51:39.853 --> 00:51:43.890
He was reading a scripture in the bible at some point
00:51:43.890 --> 00:51:47.627
About, i believe it was in isaiah
00:51:47.627 --> 00:51:50.664
And something about that they would have it
00:51:50.664 --> 00:51:55.235
Or that something would happen good for the israelis,
00:51:55.235 --> 00:51:58.572
That they would have them all
00:51:58.572 --> 00:52:00.473
Or have all of the land or something.
00:52:01.274 --> 00:52:02.943
It had reference in context to isaiah's time.
00:52:02.943 --> 00:52:08.181
But he said, i read that
00:52:08.682 --> 00:52:10.217
And he said, i'd read that scripture dozens of other times.
00:52:10.217 --> 00:52:13.987
All of a sudden, at that time,
00:52:13.987 --> 00:52:17.257
There was a thought that that connected to a vision
00:52:17.257 --> 00:52:22.495
That i had seen one time
00:52:22.996 --> 00:52:24.965
Of lights lit across all the cities of america,
00:52:24.965 --> 00:52:30.203
And he said, that made me think of tv stations.
00:52:31.104 --> 00:52:35.442
So he said, was god asking me
00:52:36.076 --> 00:52:39.412
To put a tv station in every city in america?
00:52:39.412 --> 00:52:42.482
Is that what was happening?
00:52:42.482 --> 00:52:44.551
I don't know.
00:52:44.551 --> 00:52:46.052
But he said, that was in my heart,
00:52:46.052 --> 00:52:49.889
And then i guess the first thing you hear is god,
00:52:49.889 --> 00:52:53.627
The second thing you hear is you,
00:52:53.627 --> 00:52:55.195
Third thing you hear is the devil.
00:52:55.195 --> 00:52:57.631
- or vice versa. (laughing)
00:52:58.198 --> 00:52:59.599
- so he said, then i thought, well, that's crazy,
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:03.436
You can't put one in every...
00:53:03.436 --> 00:53:05.438
And then the next thing is the devil probably said
00:53:05.438 --> 00:53:09.609
Something about how much money it costs.
00:53:09.609 --> 00:53:11.711
See?
00:53:11.711 --> 00:53:13.113
So what if that's what god's asking us to do in 2025?
00:53:13.113 --> 00:53:17.550
What if we're being asked to do that?
00:53:17.550 --> 00:53:20.687
When you get that first crazy thought
00:53:20.687 --> 00:53:23.823
About something super bold, super big, that is impossible,
00:53:23.823 --> 00:53:29.262
That it's so inspiring for about a minute,
00:53:30.163 --> 00:53:32.198
And then it's like reason comes in
00:53:32.198 --> 00:53:35.535
And, oh, crud, i can't do that.
00:53:35.535 --> 00:53:38.271
- why not? - forget it.
00:53:38.838 --> 00:53:40.440
- why not?
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:41.708
- at some point, i think god's asking us
00:53:41.708 --> 00:53:45.845
To jump on those sparks and let that ignite something in us.
00:53:45.845 --> 00:53:50.116
So pray for us that 2025, let's call it, is different,
00:53:50.116 --> 00:53:54.254
That we're in a new season that things can happen boldly
00:53:54.254 --> 00:53:59.359
Like this tie is bold.
00:53:59.859 --> 00:54:02.095
(laughing) - i love it.
00:54:02.095 --> 00:54:02.996
And /i get to do my book.
00:54:02.996 --> 00:54:04.497
Oh lord, thank you for this time with our tbn friends,
00:54:04.497 --> 00:54:07.133
Matt and laurie and all those viewing.
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Lord, i thank you, father, (mellow music)
00:54:09.135 --> 00:54:10.570
That you are working in all of our lives,
00:54:10.570 --> 00:54:12.539
And lord, as we start the new year off,
00:54:12.539 --> 00:54:14.808
Show us any areas where we're complacent,
00:54:14.808 --> 00:54:18.178
Where we're limiting you,
00:54:18.178 --> 00:54:19.879
Where we're settling for mediocrity,
00:54:19.879 --> 00:54:21.781
And lord, we commit, even now,
00:54:21.781 --> 00:54:23.516
We're gonna take the limits off,
00:54:23.516 --> 00:54:25.352
And lord, i just thank you
00:54:25.352 --> 00:54:26.586
That you'll bring those desires back
00:54:26.586 --> 00:54:28.588
That maybe you once put in our lives and our hearts,
00:54:28.588 --> 00:54:31.458
But we didn't ignite them,
00:54:31.458 --> 00:54:33.059
But lord, this is the time we're gonna fan the flame,
00:54:33.059 --> 00:54:35.795
And i just speak faith into your people.
00:54:35.795 --> 00:54:38.465
I speak victory into your people.
00:54:38.465 --> 00:54:39.899
- thank you, lord.
00:54:39.899 --> 00:54:41.034
- lord, i thank you for fresh vision
00:54:41.034 --> 00:54:43.069
And fresh attitudes, fresh momentum, fresh growth.
00:54:43.069 --> 00:54:47.207
Lord, i ask you as well to do what only you can do.
00:54:47.207 --> 00:54:50.076
But lord, we've seen it in our own lives,
00:54:50.076 --> 00:54:52.312
But lord, we believe the best
00:54:52.312 --> 00:54:54.114
Is yet to come for your people.
00:54:54.114 --> 00:54:55.949
Those that are struggling with an illness,
00:54:55.949 --> 00:54:57.717
Lord, i thank you that the sickness
00:54:57.717 --> 00:54:59.619
Will begin to turn around,
00:54:59.619 --> 00:55:01.187
Healing and wholeness is coming, freedom from addictions,
00:55:01.187 --> 00:55:05.225
Chronic pain, depression, and anxiety.
00:55:05.225 --> 00:55:08.395
And lord, i just pray that you'll bring dreams to pass,
00:55:08.395 --> 00:55:10.463
Doing what only you can do.
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I pray it in the mighty name of jesus.
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Amen and amen.
00:55:14.634 --> 00:55:15.935
- we agree and we pray bold in jesus' name.
00:55:15.935 --> 00:55:19.839
- in jesus' name. (upbeat music)
00:55:19.839 --> 00:55:20.974
- beautiful. we'll see you next time.
00:55:20.974 --> 00:55:21.708
Thank you, joel.
00:55:21.708 --> 00:55:21.708

Joel Osteen: Pray Bold | Praise

January 7, 2025 | S53:E

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