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March 26, 2025 | 55:40

Erick Stakelbeck sits down with best-selling author and political analyst Joel Rosenberg. Together, they’ll unpack the latest developments in Israel and explore the profound impact on the world stage.

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Praise | Joel Rosenberg: God is Moving in Israel and the Middle East | Praise | March 26, 2025

Coming up tonight on praise...
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Most israelis either don't believe or don't care or
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Forgotten that god is our shepherd.
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And what we're seeing is more israelis are talking about god.
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Everyone wants to talk about the scriptures and many,
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Not all, many wanna talk about yeshua.
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Why do you guys believe in jesus?
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God is moving.
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Tonight on praise from dallas, american-israeli
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Evangelical christian, author and nonprofit executive,
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Joel rosenberg.
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♪♪
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And now your host, erick stackelbeck.
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Welcome to praise.
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I'm erick stackelbeck, and it is very clear that israel
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Stands at the very epicenter of global events.
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Politically, militarily, spiritually, there's
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No place like it on earth.
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Israel is god's prophetic timepiece and the key player
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In shaping the future of the middle east and beyond.
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So why does israel matter to you?
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How is god moving today among his people and in his land
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During a very troubled time?
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And what comes next in the world's most pivotal and
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Prophetic region?
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Joining us tonight to break it down is joel rosenberg, host of
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The rosenberg report right here on tbn, best-selling author
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And editor in chief of all israel news.
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Joel, great to see you, my friend.
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Great to have you with us.
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It's great to be here, first of all, in the united states
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At all. yeah.
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In texas at tbn and with you.
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Great we're usually together in your hometown
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Of jerusalem. yeah.
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It's been a painful year, as you know.
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But let's talk about it.
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No doubt, very painful, joel.
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That's why i'm so glad you're here from october 7 on,
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But god is moving right now in israel.
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I said that in the lead in real quick.
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God is really moving.
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God is up to something.
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Amid all the tragedy and the pain, things are happening.
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Prophetic things are happening.
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You have a front row seat.
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Break it down for us a bit.
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Yeah. well, let's start in a personal way.
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You know, our ministry, the joshua fund, we, my wife and i
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Started eighteen and a half years ago to do what?
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To, to bless israel and her neighbors in the name of jesus.
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Most ministries, even if they have a full biblical view,
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Yes, god loves israel.
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He loves the jewish people.
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He has a special unique plan for us, but he also loves
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The whole world.
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And he certainly loves the palestinians and the lebanese
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And the syrians and the jordanians, iraqis and the
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Egyptians and so forth.
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All true.
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But most ministries don't try to do both simultaneously.
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But that's what god has called us to do. over the last
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Eighteen and a half years,
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God has given us the mercy to invest a hundred million
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Dollars more actually than, to strengthen the church in the
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Middle east, in israel, starting with in all those
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Arab countries, humanitarian relief and pastor support
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And training and so forth.
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Why? because he loves the people of the epicenter.
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Now, i don't believe that god sent
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This horrible october seventh war.
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This is satanic.
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Yeah.
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Satan is trying to rob, kill, and destroy.
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Right?
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God sovereignly has let it happen.
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And so we'll we can unpack that over the course
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Of the show.
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But i will say that one of the things about living in israel,
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Lynn and i live in jerusalem, we're dual
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Us-israeli citizens.
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Two of our sons have served in the military, but we're also
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Involved in ministry day to day, not just in reporting, but
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Also day to day on the ground with the pastors ministry
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Leaders in the country and with unbelievers.
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And what we're seeing is more israelis are talking about god,
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Are talking about the bible and even willing to
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Talk about yeshua, jesus, is he, isn't he,
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Than ever in all of modern israeli history.
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We like every pastor and ministry leader we talk to,
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Especially those who are on the front lines, either they're on
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The gaza border or near it, or they're on the lebanon border
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Or near it, they're the ones who say everybody wants to
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Talk about god.
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Everyone wants to talk about the scriptures and many,
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Not all, many wanna talk about yeshua.
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Why do you guys believe in jesus?
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We don't, but you do.
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But now if you get to the center of the country, sort of
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The high-tech corridor, tel aviv, haifa, what we would
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Call the silicon wadi, right?
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That's very secular, hypersecular.
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And there you talk to pastors, ministry leaders, there's less
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Interest in talking about god.
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But the country and the army, almost everyone in the army is
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Reading psalms, they're singing,
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Singing before they go into battle.
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They go into battle. yeah.
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So, think, i think we're in an amos 9:9 moment in
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Israel where god said prophetically through the
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Hebrew prophet amos, chapter nine, verse nine, i will shake
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The whole house of israel among the nations.
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I don't think israel's under judgment.
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I don't think that's why god's sovereign will let this happen,
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But we are being shaken.
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Why? cause we're a country that's not--
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Most israelis either don't believe or don't care or
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Forgotten that god is our shepherd.
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This is what david, our greatest king told us, right?
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The lord is my shepherd, right?
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Ezekiel 34.
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And throughout the scriptures, the idea that god says,
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I'm, you are the sheep of my pasture.
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You're my sheep.
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I am your shepherd.
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And of course, yeshua, jesus himself, right?
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John chapter ten, i am the good shepherd.
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Now, even if you set that aside for the moment-- now we don't,
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But as jews, as israelis, many of them are not ready to
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Talk about that yet.
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But first they've forgotten that god is our shepherd,
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The israel shepherd.
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And if you forget or you don't care, or you think god's too
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Mean, or he's incompetent or he's impotent or whatever
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You think, you're like, i don't need a shepherd.
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Oh, okay.
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That means you've forgotten that there are ravenous wolves
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Lurking throughout the countryside waiting to
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And i think what happened on october 7
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Is we just dropped our guard.
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Not just at the political and military level, but overall it
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Was a country that's saying, i don't need a shepherd.
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There's no shepherd.
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And somehow thinking that the middle east had changed and
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That there are no ravenous wolves trying to devour us.
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And this was a very
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Painful awakening.
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And now everybody's rethinking.
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Some religious that i talked to, orthodox, they're like,
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I don't believe in god anymore, or how could god be there
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If he let this happen?
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They're taking no responsibility as a nation.
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Maybe we let this happen.
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Maybe god wanted us to protect us.
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He wants to be our shepherd.
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We didn't want him to be our shepherd.
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So you got secular people
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Saying, i want to talk about god.
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I've never paid attention to god.
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I've met people from the nova music festival.
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This one woman said to me, i was a secularist.
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I didn't care about god.
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I've never read a psalm.
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I never picked up the bible
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A day in my life, now i'm reading the psalms.
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Now i'm searching.
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I need god.
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I need to find him.
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I don't know how to find him.
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So this is some of the things that are going on that we need,
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You know, the tbn audience to be praying about.
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God is moving, but you're not getting that on cnn.
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You're not getting that on msnbc or the new york times.
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You really have to turn to tbn
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To go, what is really happening?
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Yeah.
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God, under the darkness and there's a lot of darkness.
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God is moving.
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The light of christ, the
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Messiah is actually starting to shine.
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And it's a really interesting time.
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Challenging, exhausting, but actually kind of exciting.
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Yeah. you're in the middle of it and the harshest, obviously,
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Joel, of all wake up calls, october seventh.
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But you've been living in israel for a while.
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You've been following it for years.
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Do you sense now a greater openness among the jewish
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People and the people in israel in particular towards jesus,
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Towards yeshua, than ever before?
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Ever before.
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That's true of jews worldwide.
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We've done a lot of research, and the joshua fund has
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Funded a lot of research.
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And we found that since i was born in 1967,
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At that time, there were only two thousand jewish people on
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Planet earth that believed that jesus is the messiah.
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Less than two thousand or fewer.
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Today, we're at about a million.
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Now, most of those, close to nine hundred thousand are
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Here in the united states.
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Then you've about thirty thousand in israel and then
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Europe and brazil and other places around the world.
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But we're at about a million right now.
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Now, when you think of going from two thousand to a million
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In fifty seven, in almost fifty eight years, wow, that is
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Tremendous growth that even
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Much of the church isn't aware of.
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Yes. even jews for jesus and chosen people ministries and
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Others were shocked when that research began to emerge
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Because a lot of people didn't believe it.
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I didn't believe it.
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I believe that there were many more jews in the kingdom than
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Most people thought, but jewish ministries were shocked because
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They were looking at messianic congregations in the united
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States and around the world and
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Thinking, there's not that many.
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And how many jews worldwide, by the way, in the
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United state? so, yeah, right.
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Right. so, there's about
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Fifteen or sixteen million jews total.
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So, now we're talking about a million out of fifteen
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Or sixteen million.
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This is the highest number in
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Sheer numbers in two thousand years.
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It's the highest percentage of
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Jews who believe in jesus as messiah.
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When my father came to faith in jesus as an orthodox jew from
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A jewish, orthodox jewish background, he came to faith
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In 1973.
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He thought he was he was the first jew since the apostle
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Paul who believed this.
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He never met a jew who believed in jesus.
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He never heard of a jew who believed in jesus.
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And in 1973, there weren't that many.
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But now we're at about a million.
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The reason most of the messianic ministries didn't see
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It is because most jews who believe in jesus don't go to
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Messianic congregations.
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They just go to regular bible churches or evangelical
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Churches of different denominations.
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And so they sort of blend into
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The rest of the evangelical culture.
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They don't distinguish themselves as hebrew christians
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Or messianic per se.
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Now, in israel, it's certainly much fewer than in america.
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Well, why would that be?
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Well, it's because here in america, there's so many
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Evangelicals who are loving on their neighbors and praying
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For their neighbors.
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Jews in america have much more contact with people who love
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Jesus here than they do in israel.
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But that body is growing.
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In 1948, our research shows that there
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Were only twenty three
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Jewish followers of jesus, of yeshua, in israel in 1948
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When the country was prophetically reborn.
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Twenty three.
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Now we're at about thirty thousand or so.
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Okay, that's positive, but you're talking about a
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Country of ten million people.
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Yeah. probably eight million jews.
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So you're thinking, well, that's not enough.
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No, it's not.
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The question so right now you're not seeing in israel
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A mass harvest.
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If you're looking for people coming to faith in jesus,
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Go to communist china, right?
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They've gone from a million to a hundred million in the
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Last forty years.
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Or go to iran where they went they had five hundred shia
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Converts to jesus in 1979.
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Now they're at several million.
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Brazil, sub saharan africa,
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These are where the greatest
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Spiritual awakenings are going on.
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But there is a great spiritual awakening going on among the
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Jewish people, but most of it's in the states.
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So, the question is when are we gonna start seeing people come
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To faith in yeshua in israel? and
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I think what we're watching now, but it hasn't really been
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Reported. it's not getting noticed in the midst of all
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This horror of this war, is people are really processing it
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In israel like never before.
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So, that's encouraging.
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I can't predict when
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Open ears and open hearts will turn to decisions.
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We got to keep praying for that.
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Do you see a deeper prophetic meaning behind it, behind this
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Move of the jewish people?
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Gradually, it's not all at once, obviously, as you laid
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Out, joel, but gradually, more and more jews are coming to
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Know yeshua, jesus, as their messiah.
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Do you see a deeper prophetic significance in it, especially
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Considering the prophetic time we're living in right now?
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Absolutely. i first of all,
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There's only one country where god says, when the end of the
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End comes, right before jesus comes back, i'm going to save
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That whole nation.
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That's israel.
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Romans 11:26, all israel will be saved.
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Now, i don't believe that from this moment all the way to the
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End of the tribulation that
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Every single jewish person gets saved.
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I think that is talking about a very specific moment that is
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Connected to zechariah 12 and to other prophecies that
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Say that god's gonna save every single jew that survives
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Through the tribulation, and just before jesus comes back,
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He's gonna open up the fount of grace and a blessing that
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Zechariah speaks of.
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He's gonna pour out his grace on everybody that's left, and
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He's gonna save all of them for his glory, for their good, but
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Not that they've been really listening that much through.
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But my point is, how ever
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A viewer looks at what does romans 11:26
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Exactly mean,
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How do we get to all israel being saved,
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Well, fifty years ago, there was almost no jews saved.
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So you'd think, well, i don't even know how that's--
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Maybe that doesn't mean what it says.
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Maybe that's-- i don't know what that means, right?
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People were like, there have barely been any jews in all of
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Two thousand years who got saved since the first century.
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Now that we know that there are a million, that is telling us
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The scales are coming off our eyes.
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The block of ice around our hearts as jews is melting,
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That the curtain of jewish awakening is going up.
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And this should encourage us.
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Yes, we have the rest of the world to reach as well.
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But romans 1:16, right?
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God is really serious about don't be ashamed.
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Paul says, i'm not ashamed of the gospel.
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Why? because it's the power of god for salvation
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For everyone who believes,
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To the jew first, also for the gentiles.
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Unfortunately, too much of christendom doesn't try to
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Witness to or tell us as jews about jesus at all.
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Roman catholicism mostly doesn't have any interest in,
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Express any interest in sharing the good news of god's love
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For, and or plan of salvation to the jews.
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Liberal modern protestantism doesn't do it, right?
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A lot of reformed theology doesn't believe that current
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Israel has anything to do with biblical prophetic israel.
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Doesn't mean they don't have a heart for evangelism, but it's
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Not a priority for most.
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That's not true of everybody.
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And then you've got what i would say, you know,
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I love christian zionists.
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I'm a christian zionist.
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You're a christian zionist meaning we biblically
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Understand that god has a place for israel and the
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Jewish people, and it's in zion.
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It's in israel.
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But there is something called, i would call hyper christian
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Zionism, which is so focused on giving political support to
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Israel that they, that some of these leaders will also say,
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But don't worry, i will
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Never tell a jewish person about jesus.
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Now that's disappointing because the good news is
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They're standing with israel.
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This is a good thing.
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Yeah. but to say, i'm standing with israel, but don't worry, i
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Won't share jesus and the gospel and the good news with
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God's chosen people.
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That's not, that's not only not good, but i wouldn't want to
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Have that conversation with the jewish messiah face to face
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In heaven one day.
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Don't worry.
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I stood with your people.
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Don't worry.
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I never told them about you or how to get here.
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There's a flaw and the flaw is a, it's a fissure in
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Romans 1:16 theology.
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Remember the, you and i are old enough to remember the space
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Shuttle challenger blowing up.
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I was in college at that time.
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And when they tracked, how did this space shuttle,
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This billion dollar, whatever it was, spaceship blow up?
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They tracked it down to these little o rings that were
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The size of cheerios.
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And they had gotten cracked.
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They'd gotten dried out, they'd gotten cracked and just a
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Little fissure in a little tiny element of the fitting together
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Of this spaceship under heat, under pressure, under speed,
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Those fissures failed.
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Those o rings, as they were called, failed and it caused
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A massive explosion.
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I believe there are some in christendom, they may
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Truly love jesus, but whether they're on, i don't really care
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About the jews or they're on, i totally care about the jews,
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But i'm not gonna, i don't want to risk my relationship with
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Them by talking about god's plan of salvation.
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There's a fissure somewhere in there, there's a flaw.
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The flaw is, i am a little ashamed of the gospel.
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I don't really believe that it's the power of god for
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Salvation for everyone who believes, including the jews.
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And i don't want to risk that.
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That's, that is where some christian leaders actually, a
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Lot actually come out.
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And what is so tragic about that, erick, is this season that
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We're in, the last fifty years, but definitely the last ten,
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More jews are open.
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They see the love of the christians.
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Even christians who aren't sharing with them, they at
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Least feel the love, the
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Affection, the support, the identification.
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You're not alone in the world.
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Yeah, the world may hate you, radical islam may hate you,
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We don't hate you, we love you.
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But that's prompting our team,
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The jewish team to say, okay, why?
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Why do the people who love jesus, why do you who love
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Jesus, why do you love us?
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We need an answer.
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We have an answer, but we need to be ready to share that
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Answer with everyone who asks.
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And you're providing those answers, joel, not only
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For the jewish people.
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By the way, you mentioned at the top, the joshua fund also
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Focuses on the arab and muslim peoples of the middle east.
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Folks, if you're just joining us, we're here with our good
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Friend joel rosenberg, host, of course, of the rosenberg report
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Right here on tbn, editor in chief of all israel news,
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Best-selling author many times over.
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And one of the topics that joel has really broken down in all
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Of his work is how god is moving among arabs and muslims
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In the middle east as well.
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For the first time in a long time, joel, it seems like
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We've got some good news quite literally
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In the arab and muslim world.
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Talk about that, joel.
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You've shared how muslims in the middle east are having
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Dreams and visions of jesus.
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Yeah. talk more about that.
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People may not know about that.
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Well, so more muslims have come to christ, have left islam,
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Renounced islam, and come to saving knowledge of faith in
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Jesus christ as not just messiah.
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Even the quran says jesus is the messiah, but the quran
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Says jesus isn't god.
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Yeah. that the quran says that jesus didn't die on a
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Cross and he didn't rise again.
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But muslims who revere jesus, in fact, jesus has spoken of
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A lot in the quran.
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Born of a virgin, did miracles, great teacher, and a prophet.
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Okay. that's the beginning, but it's not enough.
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But millions and millions and millions of muslims are
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Discovering that their love for jesus from the quran isn't
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Enough, that they've actually been misled by the quran and
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They are coming to true saving knowledge that jesus is god,
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That not just the messiah, that he is the savior, that he is
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Lord, that he is the crucified and risen savior of the world.
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And the only way to get to god, whom they describe as allah,
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Is through jesus.
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This is huge.
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We are seeing the greatest spiritual awakening among
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Muslims ever in history, and more muslims have come to faith
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In jesus christ in the last fifty or sixty years
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Than in the last fourteen centuries combined.
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This is how dramatic it is.
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It's incredible.
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It's a mighty move of god,
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Joel, and it's a great untold story.
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Yeah. that's why we're telling it right now.
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Yes, that's right.
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Please proceed.
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Well, so it's so astonishing.
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And you think, well, how come 1350 years of
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Ministry missions to the muslims bore so little fruit.
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And why in the last fifty years is it bearing enormous fruit,
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Like astonishing amount of fruit?
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I mean, literally we're probably at fifteen or
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Twenty million muslims who've come to christ.
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Now, we're talking about a world of
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1.8 billion people.
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So are you saying, joel, that's enough?
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No. i'm not saying that's nearly enough.
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I'm saying we've gone from almost none to, you know,
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Ten million, fifteen million, twenty million.
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This is huge.
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When you look at that dynamic, you ask why?
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Well, i think it's the same reason that jews are coming
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Into the kingdom.
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The spirit is moving.
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God has sovereignly decided to remove the scales from the
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Eyes of people who just don't see it.
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Muslims are very devout about god.
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Oh, yeah.
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They have a zeal.
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It's very much like romans nine--
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Yes.
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Where the apostle paul, who, of course, was a jewish extremist
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Terrorist, really, was a religious terrorist as saul,
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Until he got radically saved on the road to damascus.
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As he writes the book of romans, he's describing of
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His own passionate, zealous compatriots within the jewish
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Israelite world, hey, i love my people.
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They are so zealous for god.
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They just don't know that jesus is god.
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They don't understand who he is.
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Well, you take the same language and you say, this is
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Very much true about muslims
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And what god is doing is
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He's decided that prophecies from the book of joel-- not my
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Books, just to be clear, you're not gonna do it. not gonna.
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Wouldn't be-- i'm not talking about my book, but the
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Actual biblical book of joel.
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Those, it's now time to activate those, right?
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And those prophecies were about how in the last days
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Of history, people will see dreams and visions.
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Old men, young men, women,
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People will see dreams and visions.
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And so, what god has done is said, muslims know a
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Little bit about jesus.
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They actually have a tender spot in their heart for jesus.
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They just don't know the real jesus.
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But they are so hardened against jesus by everything
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They're taught in the mosque and the madrasas and in their
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Culture and the media, that god says, i'm gonna
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Supernaturally kickstart this.
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And jesus is appearing
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To muslims in dreams and visions.
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I wrote a book called inside the revolution.
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Yeah. now that book is sixteen years old.
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And so the story has moved a long way from when i wrote it.
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But when i wrote it, i crisscrossed the middle east
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From afghanistan to morocco and all through iraq and meeting
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People who'd say, who'd had these dreams and visions.
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I'd say, talk to me.
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Because it's easy in the west to be skeptical.
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Really? a muslim comes to jesus
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Through a dream, through a vision.
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Maybe the audience of praise isn't skeptical.
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The more you're
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Swimming in the spiritual, the theological
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Streams that the spirit is moving, he's alive and he, and
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He, and this isn't-- you know, the spirit of god in the
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Book of acts is the same spirit of god today.
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Yeah. we're all more open to thinking, oh, god
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Could work that way.
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But there are streams of christendom theological views
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That, no, the spirit doesn't really work that way anymore.
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He did, and that was awesome, but he doesn't today.
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I don't believe that.
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And even if i did, but i don't,
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Crisscrossing the middle east and meeting muslims who've
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Seen division of jesus, did it make them more deadly?
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No. did i mean, i've met, as you have met, terrorists.
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These were terrorists.
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They would have cut my head off.
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They would have shot me in the
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Face as they did to other people.
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Yeah. but they got radically
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Saved through dreams and visions.
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Now, that's not a strategy.
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I want to be clear.
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Dreams and visions aren't a strategy for the church.
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Paul, who records seven dreams and visions,
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Including his vision on the road to damascus of seeing
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Jesus and getting radically saved.
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But he does not tell the church to depend on god's supernatural
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Dreams and visions scenarios to be the way jews, muslims,
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Hindus, anyone else, buddhists get saved.
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We're supposed to share the gospel, right?
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Paul says in romans, how are they supposed to call on the
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Name of someone they haven't heard of?
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Jesus. how are they supposed to hear unless someone tells them?
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How is someone gonna tell them
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Unless they're sent to tell them?
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And that means they're called, they're trained,
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They're funded, right?
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And that's a big part of what the joshua fund does.
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So our job is to tell the gospel, to share the gospel and
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To live the gospel so people say, wow, i see christ's
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Changes in you.
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There's something loving and kind and generous, flawed.
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We're still flawed people, but i see god in you.
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Can you tell me
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How to know the god that you know?
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That's our job.
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God's in supernatural--
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Peter says always have an answer.
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Amen. always have an answer.
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Amen. and so the question is, so the church needs to be
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Sharing with jews and with muslims knowing that the
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Results aren't up to us.
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You know, bill bright of campus crusade back in the day,
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He built this great movement of
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Young people sharing the gospel.
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He said, share christ in the power of the holy spirit and
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Leave the results to god.
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Now that being said, right, stephen shared the gospel
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With paul, who was then saul, and all of the pharisees
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That were stoning him to death.
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Saul didn't get saved through that.
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Now, had an effect, but it
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Needed a supernatural jumpstart.
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Yes. it was like the battery was in the car, the wires were
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Connected, but it was not the engine was not turning until
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The lord supernaturally jumpstarted the spiritual
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Engine inside of saul.
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Saul gets saved.
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So our job is to witness, to share, to preach the gospel
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And to answer everybody's questions.
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But we need to be praying and we need to be aware that within
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The jewish world, but especially among the muslim
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World right now, dreams and visions are god's way, as he
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Said it would be in the book of joel in the last days to
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Jumpstart these spiritual movements.
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And wow, again, when you think of more muslims coming to faith
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In jesus in the last fifty or sixty years than in the last
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Fourteen centuries combined, you say, god's on the move.
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And so even though, radical islam is worse than ever, true,
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But in many ways, the wars we're seeing in the middle
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East, i would say, are physical manifestations of the spiritual
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War that's actually going on in the unseen world.
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There are battles for the souls of muslims and a
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Battle for the souls of jews.
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God's winning this war.
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He is winning more and more.
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He's fighting more and more.
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He's been going ahead israel.
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Literally, joel, seems that he's on the battlefield.
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He's going ahead of israel.
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Yes. and he's fighting the battles.
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There's been some miraculous victories for israel since
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October seventh, not only in a physical sense on the
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Battlefields, but in a diplomatic realm even.
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And part of that, which really goes back to 2020,
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The abraham accords.
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Yes.
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You and i were there at the white house for the signing
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Ceremony, september 2020.
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And folks, we've covered this extensively here on tbn.
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We've had an abraham accords documentary series you can
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Check out at tbn+ right now.
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But look, bahrain, the united arab emirates, morocco, coming
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Into these peace agreements
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With israel, absolutely historic.
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But now that donald trump's back in office, and we're
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Talking about god moving in the muslim world and doing
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Unprecedented things, saudi arabia and israel, there's a
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Lot of talk, joel, that we could see a normalization
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Of relations between these two countries.
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Saudi arabia is the birthplace
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Of islam, the site of mecca and medina.
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This would be absolutely earth shaking-- yeah.
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To see a saudi-israel peace deal,
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A revival of the abraham accords.
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Do you think that's possible?
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A hundred percent, i do.
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In fact, i would i would describe an israeli-saudi
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Peace agreement as the deal of the millennia.
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That's how big it is.
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When president trump was in his first term, he talked about
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The deal of the century.
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Yeah. and that would be wonderful.
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He was talking about a deal between israel and the
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Palestinians, which has gotten farther away at the moment than
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Closer, but he was trying.
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But the deal between israel and the custodians of mecca and
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Medina, the custodians of islam, the epicenter of islam
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And the epicenter of judaism getting together and saying, we
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Don't agree with each other
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On everything, but let's make a deal.
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Let's make peace.
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Let's normalize.
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This is the deal of the millennia.
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And i believe it's not only gonna happen.
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I believe that president trump, i mean, he's been pretty clear.
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He wants to make it happen.
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But let's start with one premise.
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I was speaking to some senior arab officials, including saudi
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Officials recently, and they said something
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Very interesting to me.
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They believe that
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Saudi arabia has made a, they made a mistake in the summer
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Of 2020 three by being so public and open that they
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Were just about to make a deal with israel.
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Yeah.
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Now they were.
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They were excited.
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Even the crown prince,
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Mohammed bin salman, went on a very dramatic--
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Who you've met with, by the way.
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Went on fox news program with brett bear.
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Yeah. i've met with him twice for hours and hours,
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And i came away with a very strong impression,
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This is a guy who wants to move in the right timing towards
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Peace with israel.
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But by the time he sat publicly with bret baer,
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He was basically saying the deal is very close.
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I think we can get it done.
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Now the assessment of some senior saudi officials is now
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That, well, that was a mistake.
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We probably made a mistake to say it.
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We did it with good intentions, but the iranians saw it.
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The iranian regime decided to they had to move quickly
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To blow up.
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Yeah. you had to sabotage that deal because that deal is
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Gonna change the middle east forever.
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And the iranian regime was so terrified of that.
00:30:31.386 --> 00:30:36.057
So, just imagine for a second, i think what we're seeing
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In the last few years, last half century for sure,
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But the prayers of evangelical christians
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Are being heard by god and are being answered.
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In other words, more jews are coming to faith in jesus
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Than ever before in all of human history.
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More muslims are coming to faith in jesus than in any
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Time in human history.
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And peace treaties that seemed
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Completely, you know, impossible
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Even ten years ago,
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Ten years ago, have happened, four of them under brokered by
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President trump in just the last four months
00:31:13.561 --> 00:31:15.897
Of his administration-- yeah.
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When everybody said it couldn't happen.
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I remember john kerry, the former secretary of state, when
00:31:20.034 --> 00:31:22.904
He heard about president trump's vision of bringing
00:31:22.904 --> 00:31:25.773
Peace to the middle east, he's like, you know, he basically
00:31:25.773 --> 00:31:28.776
Said, anybody who says that israel can make peace with the
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Outside arab world first rather than with the palestinians
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First, i'm telling you, no, no, no, no.
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That's right.
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Four no's.
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The infamous four no's speech.
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Exactly. and then how many
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Abrahamic accords did we get?
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Four. four.
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As you mentioned, united arab emirates,
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Bahrain, morocco, and sudan.
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Sudan's a little troubled, right,
00:31:57.205 --> 00:31:58.706
Because the country's imploded.
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So yeah.
00:32:00.141 --> 00:32:01.309
But still, they're not at war with israel right now,
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So that's a good thing.
00:32:04.012 --> 00:32:04.846
So we're seeing i think that evangelicals don't christians
00:32:06.080 --> 00:32:09.884
Generally don't i'm not sure that with all that's been else
00:32:09.884 --> 00:32:13.021
Has been going on in the world, ukraine and covid and all
00:32:13.021 --> 00:32:17.392
There's a lot going on in the last five years.
00:32:17.392 --> 00:32:19.961
I'm not sure they, we all really fully understand
00:32:21.029 --> 00:32:24.932
How powerful god is answering our prayers.
00:32:24.932 --> 00:32:26.768
We often forget to zoom in and say, that's these big tectonic
00:32:26.768 --> 00:32:35.410
Shifts spiritually and geopolitically, these are
00:32:35.510 --> 00:32:39.313
Not just happening.
00:32:39.313 --> 00:32:40.548
These are happening because of years and years of praying.
00:32:40.648 --> 00:32:43.785
We're praying for the peace of jerusalem.
00:32:43.785 --> 00:32:45.153
Yep. people forget, oh yeah.
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Yeah. that's the peace
00:32:47.789 --> 00:32:48.756
That's helping the peace of jerusalem.
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I can't tell you, erick, i know this happens to you too.
00:32:50.024 --> 00:32:52.560
I meet so many people, including on this speaking
00:32:52.560 --> 00:32:55.396
Tour, i'm on a two month speaking tour,
00:32:55.396 --> 00:32:57.665
People say, the saudis and the israelis peace, isn't that the
00:32:57.765 --> 00:33:01.536
Antichrist deal of daniel nine?
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I'm like -- made a lot.
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Yeah.
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No. okay.
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Hold on.
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There will be an antichrist deal for israel that'll be
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Deceptive and false at some point.
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But that happens after the rapture.
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That happens at the beginning of the tribulation.
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Church is still here.
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We're not there.
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And if every deal, i say this to people.
00:33:17.652 --> 00:33:19.787
I said this yesterday at a church i was speaking of.
00:33:19.787 --> 00:33:22.190
If every deal that's a peace deal between israel and its
00:33:22.190 --> 00:33:25.026
Neighbors is demonic and
00:33:25.026 --> 00:33:26.828
Deceptive and driven by the antichrist,
00:33:26.828 --> 00:33:30.231
Why does the bible tell us to pray for peace?
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Jesus said, blessed are the peacemakers.
00:33:34.302 --> 00:33:36.404
The apostle paul said, make peace with every man to the
00:33:36.404 --> 00:33:40.441
Extent it depends on you.
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The psalmist in psalm thirty four says, seek peace
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And pursue it.
00:33:44.946 --> 00:33:45.546
Obviously david in
00:33:45.646 --> 00:33:47.181
The psalms also, of course, talks about pray for the
00:33:48.282 --> 00:33:51.519
Peace of jerusalem.
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:52.753
So if we're supposed to do it and jesus is blessing it,
00:33:52.753 --> 00:33:55.656
How can it all be deceptive?
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It doesn't mean it's gonna be perfect.
00:33:57.391 --> 00:33:59.260
Peace trees are not perfect,
00:33:59.260 --> 00:34:01.062
But we are supposed to pursue peace.
00:34:01.162 --> 00:34:03.931
And when we pray for it, let's not then, when god says yes,
00:34:04.031 --> 00:34:08.436
Think, ah, that's from the devil.
00:34:08.436 --> 00:34:10.404
No, it's not from the devil.
00:34:10.404 --> 00:34:12.440
It's we need more jews and muslims in the region are more
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:17.645
Likely to listen to the lord and spend time reading the word
00:34:17.645 --> 00:34:21.916
And spend time talking to people when things are calmer.
00:34:21.916 --> 00:34:24.285
Now sometimes in crisis, yes, people turn to god in crisis,
00:34:24.285 --> 00:34:28.022
But sometimes the crisis is so
00:34:28.022 --> 00:34:29.390
Bad, you're in total survival mode.
00:34:29.390 --> 00:34:32.260
You can't really think outside that box.
00:34:32.260 --> 00:34:34.428
Often when it's a little bit quieter and things are a little
00:34:34.428 --> 00:34:37.165
Bit calmer, can you have those types of conversations?
00:34:37.165 --> 00:34:40.434
So i believe, yes, god is
00:34:40.434 --> 00:34:42.036
Allowing the reason to be shaken.
00:34:42.036 --> 00:34:44.038
Yes, that's true.
00:34:44.038 --> 00:34:45.640
And that's helping spiritually.
00:34:46.407 --> 00:34:47.942
But he also gives times of
00:34:47.942 --> 00:34:50.144
Reprieve and rest so people can process
00:34:50.144 --> 00:34:54.081
What they need to, which is, is jesus who he says he is?
00:34:55.283 --> 00:34:59.687
Is he god?
00:34:59.687 --> 00:35:01.022
Is he the only savior?
00:35:01.022 --> 00:35:02.390
Is he the only way to heaven or isn't he?
00:35:02.390 --> 00:35:05.026
People need to hear it, they need to process it, and they
00:35:05.026 --> 00:35:08.930
Need to either receive it or reject it.
00:35:08.930 --> 00:35:12.967
Living in the middle east is a complicated environment,
00:35:14.135 --> 00:35:16.904
But we're seeing huge, huge answers to prayer.
00:35:16.904 --> 00:35:20.041
And i believe we're heading towards a saudi-israeli deal.
00:35:20.041 --> 00:35:24.278
Gaza is, i think, now become
00:35:24.946 --> 00:35:27.415
The linchpin of that whole process.
00:35:27.415 --> 00:35:29.183
I wanna ask you about that.
00:35:29.183 --> 00:35:30.318
You mentioned outside the box thinking, joel.
00:35:30.318 --> 00:35:32.286
I think of president trump, of course, his new gaza plan.
00:35:32.286 --> 00:35:34.822
We wanna break that down.
00:35:34.822 --> 00:35:35.890
And any prophetic implications there as well.
00:35:35.890 --> 00:35:38.059
But, folks, you may be shocked to learn that, yes, good things
00:35:38.059 --> 00:35:41.762
Are happening in the world's most volatile and chaotic
00:35:41.762 --> 00:35:44.198
Region, the middle east, as
00:35:44.198 --> 00:35:45.299
Joel has been laying out for us.
00:35:45.299 --> 00:35:47.068
This is joel rosenberg, of course, host of the rosenberg
00:35:47.068 --> 00:35:49.537
Report, seen here every week on tbn, best-selling author many
00:35:49.537 --> 00:35:53.307
Many times over, editor in chief of all israel news.
00:35:53.307 --> 00:35:56.010
And joel mentioned gaza and how gaza could be the
00:35:56.010 --> 00:35:59.947
Next big thing, so to speak.
00:35:59.947 --> 00:36:01.816
President trump puts his plan forth, joel, essentially
00:36:01.916 --> 00:36:05.453
Saying, look, we're gonna relocate the
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Palestinians out of gaza.
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It's been a terror hotbed, a hornet's nest for decades
00:36:09.190 --> 00:36:12.760
And surrounding arab muslim countries.
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Now, we're gonna do something new in gaza.
00:36:15.029 --> 00:36:16.897
Behold, i'm doing something new, right.
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And rebuild gaza.
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What are your thoughts on it?
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I mean, there's a lot of different opinions on this.
00:36:22.536 --> 00:36:24.438
It's outside the box, number one.
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It is.
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Because we've been banging our heads against the wall for
00:36:27.541 --> 00:36:29.410
Decades doing the same thing over and over in gaza.
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Billions of dollars, terror groups pocket it, use it to
00:36:32.179 --> 00:36:35.316
Launch attacks against israel, then we rebuild gaza
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And the beat goes on.
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:39.320
Right. this is certainly an
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:40.688
Outside the box kind of proposal.
00:36:40.688 --> 00:36:44.225
Do you believe there are some prophetic implications here
00:36:44.325 --> 00:36:47.662
Even with this gaza proposal from president trump?
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Probably. probably.
00:36:51.666 --> 00:36:53.534
Let's let's set some context
00:36:53.534 --> 00:36:55.536
Because most people are like, okay.
00:36:55.536 --> 00:36:57.271
What's going on again?
00:36:57.271 --> 00:36:58.472
So let's you know, you and i are sort of area experts,
00:36:58.472 --> 00:37:02.009
So we--
00:37:02.009 --> 00:37:02.677
Let's broaden this out.
00:37:02.677 --> 00:37:03.678
I want my mom to understand it.
00:37:03.678 --> 00:37:05.012
I want my my friends, you know,
00:37:05.012 --> 00:37:06.814
Who this is not their day to day.
00:37:06.814 --> 00:37:08.282
Okay. so a couple of things.
00:37:08.282 --> 00:37:09.950
So during this last sixteen, seventeen months, one of the
00:37:09.950 --> 00:37:14.055
Big refrains from the arab leadership, but also from the
00:37:14.055 --> 00:37:18.059
Biden administration and from all of european government is,
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:23.164
Prime minister netanyahu, what's your day after plan?
00:37:23.264 --> 00:37:25.700
What's your day after plan?
00:37:25.700 --> 00:37:28.202
After gaza, after, you know, after the war is over, what
00:37:26.934 --> 00:37:30.805
What are you gonna do?
00:37:30.805 --> 00:37:31.539
What's your day after plan?
00:37:31.539 --> 00:37:34.308
And netanyahu is like, listen,
00:37:32.306 --> 00:37:36.043
My plan right now is to win.
00:37:36.143 --> 00:37:38.646
I mean, they were asking this, like, on october eighth.
00:37:38.646 --> 00:37:41.082
Yeah. exactly.
00:37:41.082 --> 00:37:41.849
Exactly. every day since.
00:37:41.949 --> 00:37:43.384
And they're he's like, look,
00:37:43.384 --> 00:37:44.452
My idea is to win.
00:37:44.452 --> 00:37:45.686
And by the way, you're not helping me.
00:37:45.686 --> 00:37:47.688
Yeah. you know, he would, you know, he would try to say it as
00:37:47.788 --> 00:37:50.524
Respectfully as he could, but, like, you know, president biden
00:37:50.524 --> 00:37:54.428
Briefly wanted us to fight in gaza with one hand tied
00:37:54.428 --> 00:37:59.300
Behind our back.
00:37:59.300 --> 00:38:00.568
He was, the biden's view was you're gonna stop fighting.
00:38:00.568 --> 00:38:05.840
That's how you're gonna get your hostages out.
00:38:05.940 --> 00:38:08.008
And then you're not gonna go back to fighting.
00:38:08.008 --> 00:38:10.144
That's the deal.
00:38:10.144 --> 00:38:11.178
That's the biden plan of may of last year.
00:38:11.178 --> 00:38:13.547
Prime minister netanyahu was like, look, you know, joe, you
00:38:13.647 --> 00:38:16.817
And i have known each other fifty years and we like each
00:38:16.817 --> 00:38:19.153
Other, but i just, you know, i hear you.
00:38:19.153 --> 00:38:21.655
I just disagree with you.
00:38:21.655 --> 00:38:22.890
You're asking me to surrender.
00:38:22.890 --> 00:38:24.258
Yeah. we cannot surrender.
00:38:24.258 --> 00:38:25.893
Hamas had already said, we're going do this again and again
00:38:25.893 --> 00:38:28.763
And again and again and again.
00:38:28.763 --> 00:38:31.098
You know, the genocidal ambitions
00:38:31.198 --> 00:38:34.568
Of hamas leadership is not a secret.
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No. it's in their charter from 1987,
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And it's part of their plan.
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It's a demonic death cult.
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It is.
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Modern-day nazis.
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Absolutely. no doubt.
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A hundred percent.
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So, so what, what president biden and his team
00:38:49.049 --> 00:38:51.519
Were offering was surrender.
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And, and netanyahu was, no.
00:38:53.521 --> 00:38:55.289
Now netanyahu in may of last year, he didn't know that
00:38:55.289 --> 00:38:59.560
Biden wasn't gonna keep running.
00:38:59.560 --> 00:39:01.095
He didn't know that harris was gonna lose and he didn't know
00:39:01.195 --> 00:39:03.764
That trump was gonna win.
00:39:03.764 --> 00:39:06.700
But he made a gamble and that is, i can't, i want the
00:39:06.700 --> 00:39:11.806
Hostages back, but i cannot surrender.
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At the end of the day, we've got to win a hundred percent.
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It's going be total victory in gaza.
00:39:19.146 --> 00:39:21.515
Okay. so that's what that's the context.
00:39:21.515 --> 00:39:24.452
Now, the dramatic reversal of biden harris to trump vance
00:39:24.552 --> 00:39:32.159
Is the biggest game changer on the planet right now.
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Yeah.
00:39:34.929 --> 00:39:35.729
Right? and it is the answer to
00:39:35.729 --> 00:39:37.932
Tens of millions of christians' prayers.
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So that's a big moment too.
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And it's having an effect already in the middle east.
00:39:41.135 --> 00:39:43.137
Now, president biden
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Refused to even
00:39:46.073 --> 00:39:48.142
Invite prime minister netanyahu,
00:39:48.142 --> 00:39:50.211
America's main ally, in a hot
00:39:50.911 --> 00:39:52.913
War being attacked from seven directions,
00:39:52.913 --> 00:39:55.316
Biden refused to invite netanyahu to the white house.
00:39:55.416 --> 00:39:57.818
So trump says, we're not gonna do it that way.
00:39:57.818 --> 00:40:03.190
And he invites netanyahu as the first foreign guest,
00:40:03.290 --> 00:40:06.760
The first foreign leader in.
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And then he shocks netanyahu.
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Netanyahu would never have asked this in a million years.
00:40:10.264 --> 00:40:13.033
I've known him for a quarter of a century.
00:40:13.033 --> 00:40:14.535
I'm telling you, it never dawned on benjamin netanyahu to
00:40:14.535 --> 00:40:18.706
Ask trump, would america just take responsibility for gaza?
00:40:18.706 --> 00:40:23.811
But trump comes out and he, know, he-- i'm paraphrasing.
00:40:23.911 --> 00:40:27.515
He's like, we're gonna make gaza great again.
00:40:27.515 --> 00:40:29.950
Erick, you didn't you're probably thinking gaza was
00:40:29.950 --> 00:40:32.453
Never great and it wasn't, but we're gonna make it great.
00:40:32.453 --> 00:40:35.055
I'm gonna take it.
00:40:35.055 --> 00:40:35.789
I'm gonna own it.
00:40:35.789 --> 00:40:36.524
I'm gonna clear it.
00:40:36.524 --> 00:40:37.291
I'm gonna build it.
00:40:37.291 --> 00:40:38.025
It's gonna be fantastic.
00:40:38.025 --> 00:40:39.159
We're gonna have trump tower.
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:40.194
We're gonna have gaza-a-largo.
00:40:40.194 --> 00:40:41.762
We're gonna have disney gaza.
00:40:41.762 --> 00:40:43.163
It's gonna be great.
00:40:43.163 --> 00:40:44.098
We're gonna have boardwalks and ski ball.
00:40:44.098 --> 00:40:45.566
It's gonna be fantastic.
00:40:45.566 --> 00:40:46.700
You're gonna wanna vacation there.
00:40:46.700 --> 00:40:48.536
Alright. i'm paraphrasing a little bit.
00:40:48.536 --> 00:40:50.671
But the heart of what he said was
00:40:51.405 --> 00:40:54.508
Everybody's been saying, where's
00:40:55.276 --> 00:40:57.177
Netanyahu's plan?
00:40:57.177 --> 00:40:59.313
Trump comes in, he says to the arab world, where's your plan?
00:40:59.413 --> 00:41:02.716
To the europeans, where's your plan?
00:41:02.816 --> 00:41:05.152
You guys have no plan.
00:41:05.152 --> 00:41:06.287
The month the war is sixteen months old.
00:41:06.287 --> 00:41:08.689
Where's your plan?
00:41:08.789 --> 00:41:10.190
Okay. i have a plan.
00:41:10.291 --> 00:41:11.659
You guys don't have one.
00:41:11.659 --> 00:41:13.027
I have one.
00:41:13.027 --> 00:41:14.061
I'm in charge.
00:41:14.161 --> 00:41:15.663
You could see the smile on netanyahu's face.
00:41:16.664 --> 00:41:18.532
Oh, yeah.
00:41:18.532 --> 00:41:18.966
I'm sorry.
00:41:18.966 --> 00:41:19.633
What? you're in charge?
00:41:19.633 --> 00:41:20.301
You're gonna take over?
00:41:20.301 --> 00:41:21.068
He was shocked too. shocked.
00:41:21.068 --> 00:41:21.902
At the podium.
00:41:21.902 --> 00:41:22.636
I think he heard it maybe
00:41:22.636 --> 00:41:24.038
An hour or two before, but just astonished.
00:41:24.038 --> 00:41:28.008
It never dawned on him.
00:41:28.008 --> 00:41:29.843
So what's trump's plan?
00:41:30.444 --> 00:41:32.446
Well, he sends in steve witkoff.
00:41:32.446 --> 00:41:34.148
Steve witkoff is the new top middle east envoy, the jared
00:41:34.148 --> 00:41:38.953
Kushner of the second term.
00:41:38.953 --> 00:41:41.155
Witkoff is jewish.
00:41:41.655 --> 00:41:43.557
Steve witkoff has no middle east experience.
00:41:43.557 --> 00:41:45.826
But what does he have?
00:41:45.826 --> 00:41:46.760
First, he has trump's trust.
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.663
Second, he's a negotiator par excellence.
00:41:49.763 --> 00:41:52.766
Yeah. mean, he's just world class.
00:41:52.766 --> 00:41:54.268
He's a real estate developer, like trump, in new york.
00:41:54.268 --> 00:41:57.538
Not easy.
00:41:57.538 --> 00:41:58.539
Right? and
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:00.107
So the first thing witkoff does is he gets sent by trump to go
00:42:01.408 --> 00:42:04.178
Negotiate the hostage deal.
00:42:04.178 --> 00:42:05.913
And lo and behold, all the hostages that were supposed to
00:42:05.913 --> 00:42:09.283
Come out in the first phase, they came out.
00:42:09.283 --> 00:42:12.119
Biden couldn't get it done.
00:42:12.786 --> 00:42:14.088
Trump and witkoff do.
00:42:14.655 --> 00:42:16.323
The next thing trump asked witkoff to do is go to gaza.
00:42:16.323 --> 00:42:20.894
No american official has gone into gaza in fifteen years.
00:42:20.894 --> 00:42:25.165
I went as a reporter, but i'm not a i'm not an official.
00:42:25.165 --> 00:42:29.536
Like i don't have any
00:42:29.536 --> 00:42:31.305
Diplomatic experience or anything.
00:42:32.139 --> 00:42:33.941
So, what does steve witkoff see?
00:42:33.941 --> 00:42:36.810
He sees what i saw.
00:42:36.910 --> 00:42:38.312
Apocalyptic wasteland as far as the eye could i mean,
00:42:38.412 --> 00:42:41.815
Almost every building is damaged or destroyed.
00:42:41.815 --> 00:42:44.018
Why? because almost every building had rockets coming out
00:42:44.018 --> 00:42:47.021
Of and had to be bombed or had terrorists shooting out of it
00:42:47.021 --> 00:42:50.190
And had to be bombed or had weapons stored in it.
00:42:50.190 --> 00:42:54.528
And then it was booby trapped.
00:42:54.528 --> 00:42:55.896
So israeli soldiers couldn't safely get in there.
00:42:55.896 --> 00:42:58.832
So they bombed them.
00:42:58.932 --> 00:42:59.933
Gaza was essentially one big booby trap.
00:42:59.933 --> 00:43:02.436
Absolutely. nothing like it.
00:43:02.436 --> 00:43:04.772
A base camp for terror.
00:43:04.772 --> 00:43:05.906
Yeah. okay.
00:43:05.906 --> 00:43:07.574
So trump says, okay, steve, what did you see?
00:43:07.574 --> 00:43:10.177
Apocalyptic wasteland.
00:43:10.177 --> 00:43:12.046
Unexploded ordinance, weapons everywhere, and of course,
00:43:12.146 --> 00:43:15.282
Terrorists running amok.
00:43:15.282 --> 00:43:16.383
Okay, steve, what do we do?
00:43:16.383 --> 00:43:18.152
Well, anyone who's saying it's gonna take three years to
00:43:18.152 --> 00:43:20.954
Rebuild this, they're smoking crack.
00:43:20.954 --> 00:43:23.190
Again, paraphrasing.
00:43:23.190 --> 00:43:24.925
Witkoff says it's going to take ten to fifteen years, but the
00:43:25.025 --> 00:43:27.261
First thing he has to do is get people safe.
00:43:27.261 --> 00:43:29.263
They have to, we have to remove them to safety so that
00:43:29.263 --> 00:43:32.433
We can clear the ruins and the
00:43:32.433 --> 00:43:35.035
Wreckage and the bombs and the bullets.
00:43:35.035 --> 00:43:36.770
Yeah. and then start to have
00:43:36.770 --> 00:43:38.405
Engineers assess what's possible.
00:43:38.405 --> 00:43:41.842
They got 500 miles of tunnels that some of them have
00:43:41.942 --> 00:43:44.812
Blown up, others are sagging.
00:43:44.812 --> 00:43:47.214
Can you build on top of them?
00:43:47.314 --> 00:43:48.816
You have to assess it.
00:43:48.816 --> 00:43:50.084
And then you need a plan and then you need money and then
00:43:50.084 --> 00:43:52.453
You need to start to build.
00:43:52.453 --> 00:43:53.787
So witkoff says to trump,
00:43:53.787 --> 00:43:56.356
I don't see that there's enough space in gaza to take two
00:43:56.457 --> 00:43:59.660
Million people that are destitute and, you know, shell
00:43:59.660 --> 00:44:03.831
Shocked and grieving and traumatized and leave them
00:44:03.831 --> 00:44:07.801
There, what,in tents for the next ten to fifteen years?
00:44:07.801 --> 00:44:10.904
I mean, that's not compassionate.
00:44:10.904 --> 00:44:12.139
We're gonna have to move them out.
00:44:12.139 --> 00:44:14.675
So this is where trump on air force one
00:44:14.775 --> 00:44:16.176
Starts floating out,
00:44:16.176 --> 00:44:18.011
We're gonna move them to egypt.
00:44:18.011 --> 00:44:19.780
We're gonna move them to jordan and the saudis
00:44:19.780 --> 00:44:22.950
Are gonna pay for it.
00:44:22.950 --> 00:44:23.784
Now the egyptians and the
00:44:24.384 --> 00:44:25.953
Jordanians are like, i'm sorry, what?
00:44:25.953 --> 00:44:27.955
And they would they're not happy about this.
00:44:27.955 --> 00:44:29.957
No.
00:44:29.957 --> 00:44:31.558
Now then brett baer asked the question on fox news,
00:44:31.658 --> 00:44:36.430
Mr. president, you've said you want to rebuild gaza.
00:44:36.430 --> 00:44:39.533
Okay? and it's going to take ten to fifteen years.
00:44:39.533 --> 00:44:42.536
Okay? and that you want to move everybody out while you build.
00:44:42.536 --> 00:44:45.939
Now, what i want to ask you, brett baer said, was then
00:44:45.939 --> 00:44:50.644
The palestinians from gaza have the right to go back, right?
00:44:50.644 --> 00:44:53.981
This was the game- changing conversation,
00:44:54.081 --> 00:44:56.150
The moment where everything changed, where trump says,
00:44:56.150 --> 00:44:59.887
No, they're not going to go back.
00:44:59.887 --> 00:45:01.455
And baer was like, but you wanna build
00:45:01.555 --> 00:45:07.261
This beautiful place.
00:45:07.261 --> 00:45:08.395
So that's for the palestinians.
00:45:09.163 --> 00:45:11.331
Right? they're not gonna wanna go back because they're already
00:45:11.331 --> 00:45:14.201
Gonna have great houses, you know, in egypt or jordan
00:45:14.201 --> 00:45:17.271
Or syria or--
00:45:17.271 --> 00:45:18.172
And joel, hold the phone, folks.
00:45:18.272 --> 00:45:20.407
I should have mentioned joel also hosts a stand up comedy
00:45:20.407 --> 00:45:23.443
Show every saturday night.
00:45:23.443 --> 00:45:25.145
Clear enough.
00:45:25.145 --> 00:45:25.913
Incredible right here on tbn.
00:45:25.913 --> 00:45:28.148
But, joel, go ahead.
00:45:28.148 --> 00:45:28.916
In all seriousness, go ahead.
00:45:28.916 --> 00:45:30.317
Who needs snl when you have tbn?
00:45:30.317 --> 00:45:32.653
Come on.
00:45:32.653 --> 00:45:33.120
Right? okay.
00:45:33.120 --> 00:45:33.954
I'll stop that.
00:45:33.954 --> 00:45:34.555
But the point being
00:45:34.555 --> 00:45:35.823
So then that really changed the dynamic.
00:45:36.824 --> 00:45:39.259
First, it was a sort of a trump's compassionate approach
00:45:39.259 --> 00:45:42.896
To just what do you do?
00:45:42.896 --> 00:45:45.165
Then it became to the arab ear, oh, you just want to get rid
00:45:45.265 --> 00:45:50.804
Of everybody and never let them come back.
00:45:50.804 --> 00:45:53.207
Now that has been done in most wars.
00:45:54.041 --> 00:45:57.511
Okay.
00:45:57.811 --> 00:45:58.278
Oh, yeah.
00:45:58.278 --> 00:45:59.546
So this is when, when you have an aggressor who does a sneak
00:45:59.646 --> 00:46:03.383
Attack and, and then is unrepentant, when they lose,
00:46:03.383 --> 00:46:09.223
They usually don't get to have their own terms.
00:46:09.323 --> 00:46:12.292
Especially as you said, if they initiate the war,
00:46:12.392 --> 00:46:15.262
There's consequences for exactly.
00:46:15.262 --> 00:46:16.930
Exactly. so where does this leave us?
00:46:17.030 --> 00:46:19.399
And your central question is, could this be prophetic?
00:46:19.399 --> 00:46:22.936
And it could.
00:46:23.036 --> 00:46:23.937
And i want to explain quickly how.
00:46:23.937 --> 00:46:25.539
So there's two things that could be happening here.
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.075
The first thing is that trump could be saying all of this
00:46:28.075 --> 00:46:31.912
That i just walked through as an early negotiating position
00:46:31.912 --> 00:46:37.517
To get a saudi-israeli deal.
00:46:37.517 --> 00:46:39.286
Yeah.
00:46:39.286 --> 00:46:40.387
Trump's approach, well, so that's one option.
00:46:40.387 --> 00:46:43.891
I'll explain that.
00:46:43.891 --> 00:46:45.125
The second option is that this is prophecy, that this is
00:46:45.125 --> 00:46:46.894
Zephaniah chapter two.
00:46:46.894 --> 00:46:48.428
Zephaniah chapter two, most people have never studied it.
00:46:48.428 --> 00:46:52.032
I would encourage people to dust it off, go look at it.
00:46:52.032 --> 00:46:55.936
In the last days before the tribulation, the bible says
00:46:56.036 --> 00:47:00.540
That gaza will be abandoned and basically uninhabited anymore.
00:47:00.540 --> 00:47:06.413
And then god is going to give the land back to judah, the
00:47:06.413 --> 00:47:09.683
Tribe of israel.
00:47:09.683 --> 00:47:11.251
Is that what trump's about to do?
00:47:12.052 --> 00:47:13.954
I don't know.
00:47:14.388 --> 00:47:15.789
So, if we have another moment, i'll, i'll, i'll walk
00:47:15.889 --> 00:47:19.159
Through the, the-- but this is possible.
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:20.694
We don't i never even imagined it.
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Yeah. we don't nor did i.
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And in today's middle east
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Though, joel, expect the unexpected.
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That's the one constant in the middle east.
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I guess.
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But there is
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Unexpected and then there's wow,
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This is totally unexpected.
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I've read those verses.
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I never thought, i never imagined an american president
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Would say, we're going move two million people out of gaza
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And they can't come back.
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Now i will say, i believe that
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The people of gaza are under judgment.
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Why? i say that with sadness, but they're under judgment
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Because for eight decades they have cursed israel and the
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Jewish people.
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And genesis chapter twelve verse three says, i mean, is
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Part of the abrahamic covenant.
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God said, regarding israel and the jewish people, i will bless
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Those who bless you, but those who curse you, i will curse.
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If you curse israel for eight decades and you are given back
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All your land. in 2005, israel withdraws and
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Ariel sharon, the prime minister at the time says,
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Go build a palestinian paradise.
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You have beachfront property.
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You have natural gas right off your shores.
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You've got smart, industrious people.
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Build a palestinian paradise.
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But instead, your first election, you don't choose the
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Moderate though corrupt palestinian authority.
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You choose a genocidal terror group called hamas, who takes
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All the money and all the
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Weapons and builds a genocidal machine.
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Yeah.
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There are consequences.
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And i believe that gaza is under judgment.
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That's why this is so bad.
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Now the question is, does that judgment include?
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Are we now at zephaniah two or approaching it quickly where
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God's gonna say, yeah, part of your judgment is you don't
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Get to live there anymore.
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You were given eight decades of peace treaty scenarios.
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And in fact, you were actually given the land back,
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Not the west bank.
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Gaza was given to all thousands, not a single
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Israeli soldier, not a single israeli civilian.
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And that's been that way for 18 years or so. let's see,
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Twenty, no, twenty years now.
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Twenty years ago, gaza was given to the people of gaza,
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Go build your paradise.
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And they built a genocidal terror machine.
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So we may be at, or rapidly approaching the moment where
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God's like, not only are you facing the judgment of this
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Horrible war, but you forfeited the right to even live there.
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And god has moved out people in other times, just as the
00:49:45.439 --> 00:49:50.143
Enemies of israel have forced jews out of their way.
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That's possible.
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But it's also possible, let's go back to option one.
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President trump likes to put out scenarios at first that
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Seem extreme to his negotiating partner.
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We're gonna take panama back.
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We're not giving it to the chinese.
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Right? and then secretary of state rubio heads down to
00:50:10.664 --> 00:50:13.400
Panama and the president of
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Panama goes, we surrender, we surrender.
00:50:14.568 --> 00:50:16.403
Alright. we were with the chinese.
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We're abandoning the chinese.
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We're back with america.
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Okay. okay.
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We won't invade maybe.
00:50:21.274 --> 00:50:22.576
So, so the question--
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Leverage works.
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And trump started with his friends.
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He didn't do this with china and russia and iran on day one.
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He did this with mexico, china, greenland, and panama.
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Yeah. why did he do this?
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Because he wanted to show that america's back, and we're
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Not gonna get bullied by our friends.
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We're certainly not gonna get bullied by our enemies.
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Now with the saudis, what does he want?
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He wants a saudi-israeli deal of the millennia.
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So how do you get that?
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Well, one way might be to say all the palestinians have to
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Leave and never get to go back and you're going to pay for it
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And we're going rebuild gaza.
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Now, what if the saudis counter with, well, we'll pay for it
00:50:59.513 --> 00:51:03.517
And we can rebuild it with you, but the palestinians
00:51:03.517 --> 00:51:06.820
Have to go back if they want to.
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Trump might take that deal.
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Yeah. and the people that can't come back might be anybody
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He considers a terrorist.
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And others might truly, genuinely want to live
00:51:17.397 --> 00:51:19.766
Someplace else.
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Not many people would want to live in gaza.
00:51:20.834 --> 00:51:22.402
Yeah. and then those who are
00:51:22.402 --> 00:51:25.172
Peaceful minded, great, go, you know, let's go build it into
00:51:25.272 --> 00:51:29.009
Singapore and dubai.
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So i don't know how this is going to play out, but i'm
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Saying we are at the precipice of, i believe what is a
00:51:34.281 --> 00:51:38.318
Prophetic moment in which every time, almost every, almost
00:51:38.318 --> 00:51:41.454
Every time that gaza mentioned the bible, twenty mentions,
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Almost every time it's related
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To gaza's wickedness and god's judgment.
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So we're definitely in that moment.
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Gaza's being judged.
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Whether they're being judged that they'll literally be moved
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Out in our lifetime as opposed to the millennial kingdom
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Or something, i actually don't know.
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But these are some of the things i'm watching.
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At the same time, we need to be preaching the gospel to the
00:52:06.012 --> 00:52:08.782
People of gaza because, yeah, they're under judgment,
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But so were the people of nineveh.
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God sent jonah to nineveh.
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Jonah didn't want to do it.
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But it's not just about judgment.
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God has, says to jonah, shouldn't i have compassion?
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These people did repent.
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Shouldn't i relent?
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So these are some tough things
00:52:28.435 --> 00:52:30.070
For us to process as christians.
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And no one to help is better to
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Process than you, joel rosenberg.
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Joel, this was a great conversation.
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Folks, you may say, wow, the middle east, it's all crazy.
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It doesn't make well, now it does.
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After those great insights from our good friend, joel
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Rosenberg, you can hear more of this every week,
00:52:43.516 --> 00:52:45.685
Thursday night, saturday night, right
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Here on tbn on the rosenberg report.
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Joel, just incredible,
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Incredible break breakdown and encouraging.
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God's moving among jews, among muslims.
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It's amazing.
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We live in exciting times, prophetic times.
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Can you take us out in prayer before we go?
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Absolutely. happy to do it.
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Father in heaven, thank you that you love us, and thank you
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That you love israel and the jewish people.
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You're so clear about that in the scriptures.
00:53:09.142 --> 00:53:11.444
Thank you that current israel is part of the biblical
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Prophecies laid out in isaiah, jeremiah, ezekiel, and other
00:53:14.681 --> 00:53:20.287
Old testament prophecies.
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Thank you, father.
00:53:21.655 --> 00:53:23.023
Thank you that the apostle paul reaffirmed that these promises
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You made to israel and the jewish people, they're
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Irrevocable, they cannot be revoked.
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You made promises, and you're a
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God of your word, and we're so grateful.
00:53:33.166 --> 00:53:35.769
You're showing compassion on israel, and you're showing
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Compassion, not just geopolitically and helping us
00:53:39.306 --> 00:53:41.574
To win this war,
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But you're drawing more and more of us into your kingdom,
00:53:43.510 --> 00:53:46.179
And we're so grateful.
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Lord, you also teach us to be loving to our neighbors
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And even to our enemies.
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Lord, you love the palestinian people.
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You love the people of gaza.
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You love the people of lebanon and syria and jordan
00:53:56.523 --> 00:54:00.760
And iraq and egypt and iran.
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More muslims are coming to faith in jesus christ in iran,
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Father, than we've ever imagined was possible.
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And you love all the people of that region.
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And so show us how we can be faithful to you.
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Show us how to pray for israel and her neighbors.
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Give us a heart of compassion.
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Help us to be involved and strengthen the church in israel
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And in the arab muslim world to be strong, to be a light,
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To be a witness, in dark times, lord.
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I thank you that you've raised up the joshua fund to be one of
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Your tools, and, but i know there are others as well, and
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We're grateful for all the ministries that serve.
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Lord, thank you for erick.
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Thank you for the crouches.
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Thank you for this praise
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Program and how you're using it on tbn.
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What an honor to be here today.
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Lord, we just ask for your wisdom for american leaders,
00:54:52.512 --> 00:54:56.449
Israeli leaders, arab leaders, and we pray for boldness,
00:54:56.449 --> 00:55:01.154
And courage for the church.
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We love you, and we thank you for this time.
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We pray in jesus' name,
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Amen.
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Joel, this was great.
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Thank you so much, my friend. we will do it again soon.
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Folks, remember the rosenberg report every thursday
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And saturday night here on tbn with
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.035
The one and only joel rosenberg.
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For joel, the entire praise team, our entire tbn family,
00:55:17.637 --> 00:55:21.141
God bless you, and we'll see you soon.
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Joel Rosenberg: God is Moving in Israel and the Middle East | Praise

March 26, 2025 | 55:40

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