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Jordan Sekulow: The Legal Battle for Faith | Praise

February 24, 2026 | S26 E224 | 36:47

Matt and Laurie Crouch host Jordan Sekulow.

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Praise | Jordan Sekulow: The Legal Battle for Faith | Praise | February 24, 2026

Coming up tonight on praise.
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We still in the united states have to stand up
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For our rights of free speech.
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And i always remind people
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That when we win, it's not just a win for him.
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It's a win for everybody's free, free speech rights.
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It doesn't matter what viewpoint you're coming from.
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Jordan sekulow is an american attorney, conservative policy
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Advocate and media commentator.
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He serves as executive director of the american center
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For law and justice, the global legal organization
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Founded by his father.
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In this role, jordan helps lead international legal efforts
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Focused on constitutional law, religious liberty,
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And human rights.
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He has worked on
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Presidential campaigns, contributed political analysis,
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And frequently appears in national media
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Discussing legal and constitutional issues.
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Jordan also co-hosts legal and political commentary programs,
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Continuing the family's presence in broadcast media.
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Through law, media and advocacy, jordan sekulow
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Has built a career at the intersection
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Of faith, politics, and constitutional debate,
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Carrying forward a legacy
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While shaping his own voice in the public arena.
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Ultimately, we're always confident
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If we're going to the us supreme court,
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That, speech
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And the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion,
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Ultimately went out in our country.
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And we hope that kind of remains.
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So that's what keeps america.
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America is the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion.
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Jordan sekulow,
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Let's first of all say welcome to praise.
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Okay.
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If you wound the clock back about 30 years.
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Yeah.
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Laurie and i would turn into pau and jan crouch.
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Your hair would be different.
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I'd have a mustache and pam was pregnant, and.
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Yeah.
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And your dad, would have been sitting here.
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My dad would have been sitting here.
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So let's just call this kind of about the thousandth
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Episode of the is crouch sekulow files.
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Right? you never know. this is a great judge.
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I will say that in case he's listening.
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Anyway, if it wasn't, i'd say great judge.
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He says, i want to discuss a recent case
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That just came up by the supreme court.
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Now i'm on top of these public forum cases.
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That's the magic first amendment buzzwords.
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And he said, i want to discuss this
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Recent case, and my heart is in my throat.
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And what is he know that i don't know when i do this
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For my livelihood, for for my cause.
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This is what i live for, to defend the right
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To proclaim the gospel in public places.
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And i missed the supreme court case.
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So we go into his chambers and he picks out this book that,
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You know, the supreme court reports the paper bound
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Editions, and my heart's beating hard here.
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The paper bound ones means they haven't even been
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Put in the big reporters yet.
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He opens it up and there it is.
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Board of airport commissioners versus jews for jesus.
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I cannot believe you're referring to him.
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It was a recent case. to me, it was a lifetime ago.
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Yeah. yes.
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I mean, it was to him, it was new.
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And the judge says, well, isn't this case appropriate?
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And the law clerk says mr.
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Secular argued that cases
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45 minutes later it was signed, sealed, delivered.
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We got a temporary restraining order
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To starting really friday, this friday
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The christians are converging in atlanta.
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Gospel will be proclaimed right there
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At the democratic national convention.
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We're going to do a report on it.
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We're going to have it the next time a month.
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We're going to be outside the court. no.
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Oh, praise god, this is our first one in a long time.
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So welcome to praise.
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And we're going to get into this.
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But 1987 i think
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John jacobs from the
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Power team sat with your dad on an airplane there.
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It is an invitation to come beyond praise.
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And man, we have been on the acl
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J van wagon for what is that, 40 years?
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Yeah.
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You know, i spent a lot of my nights as a young kid.
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I was in five then.
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But, you know, whether we were shooting,
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Christmas, commercials in the, in the summertime in atlanta.
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Yeah. or the atlanta studio there.
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We would certainly enjoy the green room and the,
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Probably enjoyed the snacks that came with it
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A little too much, but, you know, it be.
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Yeah. those were live back then on the east coast.
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So that was like midnight 1 a.m.,
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I think we were finishing up and, we did waffle house with
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Whoever was the musical guest that night and, it was,
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So it's always been part of our, you know, kind of our family.
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And that was part of our kind of normal,
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Normal life to us.
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Well, normal life.
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Normal life to matt and laurie crouch.
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Your father has engaged in
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Parts of our life and been, just priceless.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So, jay sekulow, love you. pam.
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That's your mom and daddy.
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Yeah.
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Jordan, it's your time.
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Executive director of acl. jay.
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And lots of important cases are going on right now.
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First up, if you look back a number of years
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Back into the pandemic,
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Yes, which is getting weirder and weirder, to.
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Yes, you know, depending on
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What you're reading now about that, it's getting crazy.
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But back in the day,
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What was happening in california was draconian.
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Very much so. churches were being closed down.
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Calvary chapel, mike mcclure up in the bay area up
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There, was even fined $1.2 million a year on that case.
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What's happening?
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So that case now is at the u.s.
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Supreme court
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So that that it's being considered right now,
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Whether the us supreme court will take that case
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Because of, again, the draconian penalties in place.
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I mean, the exact word,
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I mean, when you talk about $1.2 million to a church and
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And this was at a time when restaurants and bars
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Were being able to open up and, liquor stores were open,
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But you couldn't, safely open up your church even with
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Trying to follow the proper guidelines.
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Of course,
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You weren't forcing anyone to come
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And try to put themselves in, and you were just saying,
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Hey, we can do this safely.
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We have a large we have a large church.
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We can space this out.
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And, a lot of these penalties that were put in place,
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The government backed out, backed off on.
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But gavin newsom california has not backed off calvary chapel.
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And they want they want this $1.2 million, penalty enforced.
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And so that's why we're taking it all the way.
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It's right now at the u.s. supreme court.
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We'll know soon if this the court accepts the case.
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Okay.
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Funny you should say supreme court.
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Just, a few days ago, right?
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A big decision. sure.
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Let me throw a bonus one in on you, though.
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Just a few days ago, with the tariff issue,
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The supreme court came down.
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Are you expecting the california case in this session?
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No, no, we would probably.
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We will know about
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Whether we'll be arguing the california case,
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Sometime this summer. got it. so we'll know this summer.
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And that's again, a case involving
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Goes back to again, just basic religious freedom.
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I mean, the same issues we were talking about
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1987 are issues we're still having to litigate,
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Right now in 2026, all the way to the u.s.
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Supreme court. wow.
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Okay.
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And your thoughts on the tariff decision?
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You know, i think it's interesting
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Because the supreme court has been, pretty
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I think when you look at the case of presidential power,
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This court has sided with the president,
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More so than it has with those opposed to, the expansion.
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They're calling expansion of presidential power.
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We would just say this is, you know,
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The kind of power of a president.
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I think because this involves economics
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And and some parts of the constitution
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Itself, starting with article one,
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This was a little bit of
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A tougher line of whether or not a president can unilaterally,
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Without congress, impose tariffs on, on specific countries.
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And the court said no, the court said no,
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That the president does need to, consult congress.
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There are already people within the administration.
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I mean, this is a been out for days
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That said, fine, if we can't do it this way,
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There's ten other ways we can do this.
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And so i expect this is the kind of administration
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That has always got the second the other card in their pocket.
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And so if, if this doesn't work, then they've already got
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What plan?
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You know, plan b is.
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Look, i'm not a lawyer, but i have to sit with them a lot.
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Yeah. which is. which is draconian. yeah.
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And it felt like my takeaway
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After hearing the pundits and even,
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You know, your comments is you can't just
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Tell the whole world at the same time
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That this thing is going to have this kind of tariff.
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You just have to do it kind of one at a time.
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Right? just kind of wave a wand.
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And is that kind of it is kind of it. it is.
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So what, you've got to go through a more of a process.
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Got it.
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A lot of times what gets stuck up in courts,
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It's administrative procedures act, which is a way for that.
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Laws have to go through a certain kind of process.
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There are things that presidents
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Can do on their own through executive action.
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We want a president to have that flexibility,
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Especially when it comes to national security.
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That was the argument here, too.
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The president's argument was this is national security
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Because financial security and economic security
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Ties directly to our national security.
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If we have a sound economy and a protected economy,
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Then we have a stronger national security as well.
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So protects americans.
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What the supreme court said here is no,
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If you're going to do this, got to be
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You've got to lay it out.
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Why do we need, why is it this tariff on the uk?
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Why is it this tariff on india?
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Why is it this tariff on china and and the going back
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And forth?
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And i think where the president was really looking at
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Wasn't trying to impose
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Long term tariffs on any of these countries.
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He just wanted to get tariffs down for u.s.
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Goods so that people had an incentive
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To build more factories in the united states.
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And build more things again in the united states.
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And i think that there will still be ways for the for the
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For the white house and for the president
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To put forward policies,
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Unilaterally, even without congress, that incentivize
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Companies, from around the world to build products.
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Here. let me say this.
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The problem with normal americans that aren't lawyers.
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Yeah.
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Is we want people to act
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And we want people to get things done.
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Okay.
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And the normal folks that don't put suits and ties
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And go argue in the supreme courts like you do,
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We think of bureaucracy
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Like we think of a homeowner's association. right?
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We're just a
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Big set of irritating facts that somebody wants to tell me
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What color or shade i can paint my front door.
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Right. okay. right. we don't like that. okay.
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And so what i'm encouraging you to do is get laws passed
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That allow people to get things done. yes.
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I mean, that's least that is, you know,
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There has been some of that done.
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We've gotten rid of the the filibuster when it comes to,
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Judicial nominees so that we can get supreme court
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Justice onto the court quickly
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And we don't have to worry about,
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You know, begging, five people on the left to come join the
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Those on the right.
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And, and the president has talked about
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Getting rid of the legislative filibuster.
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There's a lot of concern that that might work out.
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Okay, when you've got conservatives
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In the house, in the senate. but then, you know,
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We've got midterm elections coming up soon.
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What happens when you switch
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And now you don't have that filibuster power?
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That means
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If you've got the vote, if you're in power by one vote,
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That means you can do whatever,
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You know, pass whatever you want.
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So there's these balance can't see right to where
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You definitely want to cut back on the bureaucracy.
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I think that the american people realize we were
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We are bloated.
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The bureaucracy is bloated. washington dc was bloated.
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It took it took president trump coming in
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And basically demanding people show back up at work.
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I mean, even post
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Covid, when things were everybody else was back to work.
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You drive to washington, you realize there's
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No one in these buildings, these federal buildings.
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They are back in those buildings now.
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And that was because of action by him.
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So if you're going to if you're going to,
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You know, work for the federal government,
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You're going to come back, you're going to come back
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To an office place and we're going to, modernize as well.
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I mean, we still have an irs
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That is using fax machines, that's using, typewriters.
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People haven't gotten their tax returns,
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From last year, and we're about to file again.
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So, i mean, things like that, it's it is, i think, even for,
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For attorneys,
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The legal process, we always say to, you know, our clients,
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We try to work things out
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Every way without having to go to court.
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So whether it's demand letters,
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Whether we could call the school district, whether we could
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Call the company, that, we feel like has done
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The wrong thing and work it out without having to go to court.
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It's the kind of the place of last resort.
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So is the supreme court because they only take,
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You know, a percent, 1% of the cases
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That you're taking there.
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So if you can work it out without having to go into court,
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That's the best way. but,
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Time and time again, we're seeing the court
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Look at major cases
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And whether it was the dobbs case, on roe versus wade,
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It really looking at cases that were argued
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The 60s and 70s and saying, did we really get this right?
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Is this
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Should this really be the law of the land that
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That we don't ever question?
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And we're starting to see a court now that will question,
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Its previous precedent.
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And that was something that,
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When my dad was starting out in supreme court cases
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You could only dream of. yeah.
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So what you just said is you're trying to make sure
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I can paint my front door sundown beige and not tope.
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That's right, that's right.
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That's what we're hoping.
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Yes that's what i want okay. all right.
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We're in the media.
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This one matters to me.
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The idea that alan dershowitz, right,
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Was edited right on cnn.
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And somehow that's going all the way
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To the supreme court. yes. tell us about that.
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So there's a famous case, new york times versus sullivan.
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This is a case.
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He was actually a law clerk for a justice on this case.
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Alan dershowitz was i mean, that's
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How long this case has been precedent also.
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And what it says, if you're a public official
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And at the time, public official really meant elected official,
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But it's been expanded out to be basically anyone in the media.
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And nowadays with social media,
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I mean, you could imagine you could you could be on
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Just on youtube,
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You could be just someone on instagram or tiktok,
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And you could be someone who's definitely considered
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A public official.
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I mean, someone that people recognize.
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You don't have to be on broadcast
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Television or cable television, to be that person.
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So it's broadened out.
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And if people put out like a, news source puts out,
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Defamatory information about you, it's it's your burden
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To show that they had what's called, this malice.
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And you have to show that they were either reckless
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Or they did it intentionally.
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And usually the plaintiff
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Doesn't have to prove what's in the defendant's head.
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Usually the defendant has to come forward
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And say, no, no, this was
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This was just, you know, if it was a mistake in editing,
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But there was nothing there was no like, wrongdoing.
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We weren't doing this to hurt someone.
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We weren't doing it to defame.
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And the the last case, when we were at the circuit court,
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The circuit court said, you met every every level of this
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Was defamation.
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But for york times versus sullivan, in this case,
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It says, that you've got to show this, this absolute,
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Malice standard. and
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Because of that, you can't win that.
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There's no way for you to win.
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And so the supreme court is interesting.
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We filed, the brief and cnn did not respond.
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And usually that's a strategy for,
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They don't have to respond
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When you petition for a case to go forward.
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The, the other party doesn't have to respond, but
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And usually they do that
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Because they're trying to say, see,
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This is not going to be taken seriously.
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And just a few days ago, the supreme court,
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Told cnn to respond to our brief, which means
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We'll also then respond and the supreme court
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Will consider again whether to take the case.
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And the point is,
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Alan dershowitz said something.
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It got edited to sound
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Almost like he said
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The opposite of what he said, make it out to be
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As if he said this was during the impeachment trial.
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We were part of that.
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And, and brought him on the team on this,
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Very specific constitutional ground.
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And they tried to edit it out to say that he could say,
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Basically, a president can never be impeached
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And a president can do no wrong.
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And that is not what he said at all.
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In fact,
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He walked through a 3 or 4 ways of of
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What is an impeachable offense by the president.
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And they left all of that out,
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And they just kept doing things that wouldn't be impeachable
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And said, you know, under alan dershowitz is theory.
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There's no way to impeach a president of the united states.
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And clearly, i mean, like we said, the lower court,
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Have all said this was defamation, classic defamation.
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But for the new york times versus sullivan standard that
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Because alan dershowitz is a public official,
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You've got to meet this higher bar.
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So we're challenging that higher bar because so many people,
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Now would be barred from bringing,
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Correct defamation lawsuits into court,
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Because they could be considered public officials.
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Way more of us.
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This was,
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Again, this was a supreme court that was dealing with
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This when there were three channels on tv. yeah.
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And the only people
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They were really talking about were you had to be elected.
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And it's somehow over time, you got to draw to
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Anybody who had any kind of platform publicly.
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And so that, again, is not right either.
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It's not to say that.
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Oh, well,
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We're just trying to make it easier
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For famous people to, to bring actions against, media sources.
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It, it this helps out the small guys to the small shows,
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The small podcasts as well.
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So if someone is saying something
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About your show or calling you names, you can take action
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And they have to think twice before they put that out.
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So in texas we have stacy barber there.
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Yeah.
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And the whole school culture is right.
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Public school, public school, right to pray.
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And so she went and prayed before school.
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Yes. right at the flagpole.
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Yep. and got fired.
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Yes. i mean, this is a whole issue
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Where, she, you know, she was told
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You cannot pray at the flagpole and there's there's nowhere
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You can pray, when you're on campus as a, as a teacher.
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And, of course,
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We know the supreme court recently did a case,
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Involving one of the coaches.
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It took a long time.
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But who was praying on the sidelines and,
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Ultimately said, you don't lose
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All of your constitutional rights
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As a teacher when you enter the schoolhouse.
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They had already said that court had already
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Said that about students.
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So when we fought those cases about see what the poll it was,
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Can the students gather and pray?
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Come the students.
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Every one of the cases, my dad were probably
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Talking about it on here in
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87, 88, 89 was can you have a bible club on campus?
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Yes, if you allow these other clubs for mother called us up.
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She said, yeah,
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You're not going to believe this from right here.
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Right here in arlington, texas.
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She called joe thornton my office.
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They will not let my little daughter do her book report.
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They said she could do anything here.
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She picked jesus.
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Not only that, she picked the baby jesus.
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That's what she wanted him.
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The book report was a special project.
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It would be graded to actually judged.
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It was a special project
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Displayed in the class actually in the school media center
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And submitted.
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And with this school board
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We've got a report
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That we'll put up there
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In a second. but with this school board
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Trying to do was censor her speech.
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So it used to be that we had to focus on the students rights.
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Now it's, you know, a teacher shows up and,
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Prays before the actual event.
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So is it trying to,
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And basically kill with a standard, the school
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That the school wanted to implement where if a student
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Could somehow see you praying, that would be a violation.
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And we won.
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And the school is actually appealing to the supreme.
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I mean, they're taking this up.
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So so we're fighting this.
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And again, this is a classic kind of aclu case.
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But again, it used to be on the students.
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Now it's the teachers themselves
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And school district
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Even in texas, telling a teacher they know
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There's no room for prayer for you, on our campus.
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Okay.
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Between us here, this has no chance of winning
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In the supreme court. you know, it shouldn't.
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It shouldn't.
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I mean, they should because the court has been clear
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And even clear in the last couple of last decade that,
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Our religious freedom rights are,
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Have actually have more teeth than when my dad started.
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He had to start a lot of these cases arguing.
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This is, hey, this is speech.
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And it is i mean, religious speech is speech.
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It's just a certain kind of speech
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In the constitution, even directly starts
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With protecting that, you know, and our first amendment. okay.
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So when he says, dad, he's talking about jay sekulow,
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Who's been around the dad since, forever
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Kind of 1980s with my mom and dad, paul and janet,
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And their program, sekulow airs right here on tbn.
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When it comes to, though, how the american people
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Can get involved beyond during prayer
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And support other people, they should call.
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Is there anything that we can do or at
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This point is president trump seem like he's ready to go?
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Yeah.
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I mean,
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I think what you want to do right now
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Is, is we really we talked about this in
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The summit is go to your local community at your church.
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And it sounds like, you know, some of these folks are at those
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Speak out for the president, president trump,
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To take any further actions other than the cpc
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Is going to need support.
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And that means that you need to go into your communities.
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But the information we provide is all available.
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The aclu talk to make yourself
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Kind of an expert on this persecution nigeria,
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And why it might be key that the us take additional
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Steps to protect those christians.
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Know those numbers.
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The fact that 35 christians will be killed today.
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While you're hearing my voice, 35, predominantly
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Women and children
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Are going to die today
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At the hands of islamic, extremist in nigeria.
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Make sure your church knows that and knows that president trump
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Has pledged this.
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Nigerian government doesn't
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Get it done to protect these people.
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We're going to do it, but we're going to do it quickly.
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We thought we'd sit down here, during the state of the union.
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We've had a lot of
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Supreme court activity just over the last week.
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And, and, so this is, appropriate time to do this.
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Okay. chicago. yes.
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Let's go up there.
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There's, brett or brett. radio.
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Street preachers, street preacher.
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Okay.
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And so what's going on up there with chicago
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Busting into our street, you know, with enough,
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You know, chicago's got a lot of issues with crime,
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And it's had a lot of issues with,
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What's happening on the street.
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So you'd think the last thing that the, chicago pd
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Would be really concerned about is a is a street preacher,
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And yet they've arrest him a number of times.
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And so this is, again, a case that we are constantly,
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In the appeals process.
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Now, this is not the us supreme court yet.
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But but continuing to fight for his right.
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Again, this is,
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This goes back to the case that on the public sidewalk,
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You know, if if other people have speech rights, he does too.
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Yeah. and the end it doesn't end.
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What they would try to they try to do
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Constantly is somehow treat our faith content
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As different than everybody else's content.
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For instance, you could hand out fliers for
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Or try to get people to sign onto your political petition.
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You can hand out fliers for your store.
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You can try to get people to go, hey, that's your restaurant.
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But you can't preach the gospel because that's somehow it's
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Going to get treated differently.
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And, and think about in chicago,
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With all the issues chicago is dealing with,
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This is who they're i mean, he was in prison.
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He's he's been arrested a number of times,
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Just for preaching,
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Just for being a street preacher, which is
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A very kind of american.
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Public sidewalk, you know, town square.
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That's part of our history.
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There's chicago, the city of chicago. okay.
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And where does the case stand?
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And where does it head?
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So it's not we've gone through trial court,
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And then it'll go to the appeals court.
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Okay. yeah.
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And we're looking good again.
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I think eventually these cases we do win.
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You do win.
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What has to what is important in these cases.
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It's two things we always find.
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One is
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You have to have the client who has been arrested
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Who says, i'm going to keep going. yeah. okay.
00:23:23.449 --> 00:23:25.318
So because it's grueling and it wants to fight.
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Yeah. okay.
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And that says because we'll have
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People all the time that will call and say,
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I feel like we are wronged.
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I don't really want to sue
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My local school district for lots of reasons.
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We understand, is there other things we can do?
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Sometimes there is, sometimes there is it.
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But we really look for the people who are saying,
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You know what,
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I want to take a stand here
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So we know the aclu isn't going to charge me.
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It's not going to cost me anything.
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I'm going to keep doing this.
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The aclu can go into court and eventually,
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We can win this and make sure that
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Anybody and in this case, it would be, in that circuit
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That's an illinois circuit, would be protected, long term.
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Because again, when when
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That higher up these cases go, the better off we do.
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Because honestly,
00:24:07.793 --> 00:24:09.795
Because of the way we had to argue these cases,
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You can
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You can talk about religious speech
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All you want all day and night.
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But the end of the day is
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If you have freedom of speech on that sidewalk, that sidewalk,
00:24:16.969 --> 00:24:20.640
The preacher has just as much freedom of speech
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As anybody else who was allowed to talk on the sidewalk.
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Yeah.
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The american center for law
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And justice was founded now, 35 years ago,
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Fighting for religious liberty in the united states.
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First amendment rights like speech,
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The right to petition your government
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Who wants to start a bible club
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Is how the aclu got its first case
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To the us supreme court and today
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We would take that case as long as we needed to.
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All you've got to do is contact us
00:24:47.233 --> 00:24:49.068
If you believe you've been wronged,
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And you could write the law in the interpretation of the
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Law for the entire country.
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Aclu has been
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Around since mid to late 80s. yep.
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I remember your dad coming to me one time and saying,
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I mean, this is way back then and saying
00:25:08.354 --> 00:25:10.356
He said something to me like,
00:25:10.356 --> 00:25:12.358
You know, i'm, i'm trying to name the,
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American center for law and justice, but,
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First it was case or he said he said first,
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Okay, it's
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Christians and christian advocates serving evangelism so
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Well.
00:25:28.874 --> 00:25:29.842
J that's a little rough kind of that's long.
00:25:29.842 --> 00:25:31.510
And it's a bit rough, you know, i mean, come on.
00:25:31.510 --> 00:25:33.913
And he goes, yeah, but look at the ackerman.
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Yeah. acronym i love good acronym.
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You know.
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And so case and so case back then.
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Right.
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Where was jay sekulow?
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It turned into the aclu. the aclu.
00:25:45.358 --> 00:25:48.694
Right.
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Now, how many supreme court cases of case, aclu has been in?
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I think we're up to 15 or 16.
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And that's that's just ones we've actually argued.
00:25:57.103 --> 00:25:59.572
Yeah.
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I mean, the actual ones we've been a part of
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Would be in the, you know, probably over 100.
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Yeah.
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You know, that's and what was interesting is
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I don't think at that time he would have ever thought one.
00:26:06.312 --> 00:26:09.248
I know my dad just from his own legal career.
00:26:09.248 --> 00:26:12.251
Didn't think he'd be arguing any supreme court case.
00:26:12.251 --> 00:26:14.654
But certainly didn't think that, eventually
00:26:14.654 --> 00:26:17.223
Would be arguing supreme court cases on behalf of presidents
00:26:17.223 --> 00:26:19.659
Of the united states,
00:26:19.659 --> 00:26:20.593
Which he did twice, for president trump.
00:26:20.593 --> 00:26:23.095
We had to do those, in our studio.
00:26:23.095 --> 00:26:25.665
We did those.
00:26:25.665 --> 00:26:26.365
But because we're during covid,
00:26:26.365 --> 00:26:28.234
And it was on, like, speakerphone.
00:26:28.234 --> 00:26:29.969
So, i mean, you can imagine, nine justices and hours of,
00:26:29.969 --> 00:26:34.073
Questioning and, and, and serious cases
00:26:34.073 --> 00:26:37.176
About presidential power and, and, and again,
00:26:37.176 --> 00:26:41.747
When we look at all of the work that we've done,
00:26:41.747 --> 00:26:44.483
I mean, you could see the the god's hand in it
00:26:44.483 --> 00:26:47.119
Because by starting out with and still,
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:51.490
Working on those cases at the schools
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And the, the, the street preacher
00:26:53.459 --> 00:26:55.327
And the person on the public sidewalk,
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Taking that skill and then being able to apply it to
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For a president, the united states, for a u.s.
00:27:00.800 --> 00:27:02.468
Senator, for a member of congress
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All over the world, do our international work.
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I mean, that, it all started here.
00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:08.908
I mean, it all started with, cutting his teeth both on,
00:27:08.908 --> 00:27:12.712
In the courtroom, but also in the media.
00:27:12.712 --> 00:27:14.513
And that's become just as important
00:27:14.513 --> 00:27:16.682
Now in fighting battles.
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Jesus is the one was i decided in a
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In a flesh that i read the evidence
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And it pointed right to the point.
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It was clear jesus was the one i made the intellectual decision
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Jesus is the messiah.
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And then i got into the situation,
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Which is not that unusual for many young believers.
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Okay, he's the messiah.
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That's good.
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My sins are forgiven, which was great.
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What does it mean for my life?
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And then i also thought i was the only jew that believe this.
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I mean i thought i was it,
00:27:46.145 --> 00:27:47.179
I mean i thought i was the only jew for jesus.
00:27:47.179 --> 00:27:49.615
I was very relieved when i first saw it.
00:27:50.483 --> 00:27:52.585
Jews for jesus ministry traveling team
00:27:52.585 --> 00:27:54.920
Coming to atlanta.
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I said, oh, i'm not the only one.
00:27:55.955 --> 00:27:58.424
Okay.
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Pro-life first amendment stuff.
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Brian hammond again up in illinois.
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What's going on up there?
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He is a quiet sidewalk.
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Praise sometimes has a sign.
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Also, i was told you can't be here now.
00:28:10.603 --> 00:28:13.305
Now again, he stands where he's allowed to be.
00:28:13.305 --> 00:28:16.342
And and yet again threatened with arrest,
00:28:16.342 --> 00:28:18.477
Constantly harassed by the police.
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He is not making noise.
00:28:21.413 --> 00:28:22.882
He is not trying to,
00:28:22.882 --> 00:28:25.251
Impede people's entrance into the abortion clinic.
00:28:25.251 --> 00:28:27.953
He is, just feels like it's, it's his calling
00:28:27.953 --> 00:28:31.123
To be there, to shine a light to hold.
00:28:31.123 --> 00:28:34.827
This is, again, kind of classic american speech
00:28:34.827 --> 00:28:37.563
Is that, people we get used to in america.
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Is it? you're.
00:28:40.733 --> 00:28:41.801
If you're going to have freedom of speech,
00:28:41.801 --> 00:28:43.068
You're going to see speech you don't like, and we don't.
00:28:43.068 --> 00:28:45.571
It's very tough to police that for everybody
00:28:45.571 --> 00:28:47.373
Because we're some things that other people would like.
00:28:47.373 --> 00:28:49.942
Other people would not dislike and maybe even hate something
00:28:49.942 --> 00:28:53.012
You like other people would dislike.
00:28:53.012 --> 00:28:55.114
So we have to live with it.
00:28:55.114 --> 00:28:56.615
That's part of living a country.
00:28:56.615 --> 00:28:58.250
We're going to allow people
00:28:58.250 --> 00:28:59.351
To have freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
00:28:59.351 --> 00:29:01.821
And, and, and to have those freedoms.
00:29:01.821 --> 00:29:03.489
And so again, takes you back to the,
00:29:03.489 --> 00:29:06.659
These original cases, these cities and towns,
00:29:06.659 --> 00:29:09.528
Especially when you have the abortion industry involved.
00:29:09.528 --> 00:29:13.065
They've never stopped fighting, to to get these,
00:29:13.065 --> 00:29:16.335
People off the streets around anywhere near their clinic.
00:29:17.503 --> 00:29:20.606
I mean, usually with the laws, they can't be even that close.
00:29:20.606 --> 00:29:24.109
Who do you sue?
00:29:24.109 --> 00:29:25.177
So. and they're you're so in the city again.
00:29:25.177 --> 00:29:27.046
You're suing the city. and where's the case?
00:29:27.046 --> 00:29:29.014
Where's it headed? that case against, is on appeal right now.
00:29:29.014 --> 00:29:31.884
Okay.
00:29:31.884 --> 00:29:32.685
So shocking to to know that they're
00:29:32.685 --> 00:29:35.454
They're fighting this poor, dear man.
00:29:35.454 --> 00:29:38.123
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:38.123 --> 00:29:39.158
And then we're watching protest in america. yes.
00:29:39.158 --> 00:29:43.028
I mean, so they, they're telling it
00:29:43.028 --> 00:29:44.930
Like he's have like they're going through him.
00:29:44.930 --> 00:29:46.632
He's one person. yeah. where's his permit.
00:29:46.632 --> 00:29:48.734
Where's this.
00:29:48.734 --> 00:29:50.002
No he's got no electronics. he's not marching down the street.
00:29:50.002 --> 00:29:51.370
He's not blocking traffic.
00:29:51.370 --> 00:29:53.772
It's he's not it's not confrontational.
00:29:53.772 --> 00:29:56.508
And and yet this is who law enforcement.
00:29:56.508 --> 00:29:58.911
Yeah. decides they're going to focus on.
00:29:58.911 --> 00:30:01.847
And again, you kind of see it city by city of place by place.
00:30:01.847 --> 00:30:04.884
It's it's that texas case with the teacher is kind of rare for
00:30:04.884 --> 00:30:07.987
To happen in a state like texas. usually we don't see it.
00:30:07.987 --> 00:30:10.522
Usually it's the kind of, the state you could kind of
00:30:10.522 --> 00:30:13.692
Guess that would have, that would be the bluer states.
00:30:13.692 --> 00:30:17.363
But with this kind of enforcement.
00:30:17.363 --> 00:30:18.597
But but yes, we still in the united states have to stand up,
00:30:18.597 --> 00:30:22.134
For our rights of free speech.
00:30:22.735 --> 00:30:24.069
And i always remind people
00:30:24.069 --> 00:30:25.504
That when we win, it's not just a win for him.
00:30:25.504 --> 00:30:29.008
It's a win for everybody, for free speech rights.
00:30:29.008 --> 00:30:31.510
And it doesn't matter what viewpoint you're coming from.
00:30:31.510 --> 00:30:34.613
Like that's that's the big thing.
00:30:34.613 --> 00:30:35.748
You know,
00:30:35.748 --> 00:30:36.582
The government is not supposed to say,
00:30:36.582 --> 00:30:37.516
Well, since he's not supporting abortion,
00:30:37.516 --> 00:30:40.252
He has to have a permit or he's going to get arrested, he
00:30:40.252 --> 00:30:42.521
Get fined.
00:30:42.521 --> 00:30:44.123
They can't
00:30:44.423 --> 00:30:45.591
Choose and then say, well, if the person is supporting
00:30:45.591 --> 00:30:46.959
Abortion, they don't need anything.
00:30:46.959 --> 00:30:48.627
We don't have a viewpoint.
00:30:48.627 --> 00:30:49.561
Discrimination in the united states of america.
00:30:49.561 --> 00:30:51.597
We have to either all the views are allowed in that area
00:30:51.597 --> 00:30:54.633
Or it's some kind of zone that free speech is not allowed.
00:30:54.633 --> 00:30:56.902
Then we're going to call it. this is not a free speech zone.
00:30:56.902 --> 00:30:59.338
And ultimately we went on these cases.
00:30:59.338 --> 00:31:03.242
Yeah.
00:31:03.242 --> 00:31:04.009
What we have to do with the aclu,
00:31:04.009 --> 00:31:05.544
When again, working with these great clients
00:31:05.544 --> 00:31:07.980
And our supporters, it's they realize
00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:09.848
It's not necessarily round one.
00:31:09.848 --> 00:31:12.685
And even if you do one in round one,
00:31:12.685 --> 00:31:14.053
They can take you to round two.
00:31:14.053 --> 00:31:15.054
And then ultimately, we're always confident
00:31:15.054 --> 00:31:17.589
We're going to the us supreme court.
00:31:17.589 --> 00:31:19.558
That speech
00:31:19.558 --> 00:31:20.993
And the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion,
00:31:20.993 --> 00:31:23.762
Ultimately went out in our country.
00:31:23.762 --> 00:31:25.631
And we hope that that's this,
00:31:25.631 --> 00:31:27.533
That, that, that, that kind of remains.
00:31:27.533 --> 00:31:29.501
That's what keeps america. america
00:31:29.501 --> 00:31:31.270
Is that freedom of speech and the freedom of religion.
00:31:31.270 --> 00:31:34.606
You were just reading to me about some turtle
00:31:34.606 --> 00:31:38.444
A while
00:31:38.677 --> 00:31:39.578
Ago that you couldn't mess with a turtle.
00:31:39.578 --> 00:31:42.014
Oh, yeah.
00:31:42.014 --> 00:31:43.215
Egg you if you, if you are like a leatherback turtle egg,
00:31:43.215 --> 00:31:49.521
You can be fined $50,000 for destroying a turtle egg
00:31:49.521 --> 00:31:55.160
Because it's a turtle inside the egg.
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:58.430
But of course, you know, the hypocrisy in regard
00:31:58.430 --> 00:32:01.734
To these types of things is just, yes, rampant.
00:32:01.734 --> 00:32:05.137
A lot of people, too, got confused
00:32:05.137 --> 00:32:06.772
When roe versus wade got overturned.
00:32:06.772 --> 00:32:08.741
They even some of our long term supporters,
00:32:08.741 --> 00:32:11.543
I think it's important to mention now.
00:32:11.543 --> 00:32:12.945
So okay, we kind of want like this is it.
00:32:12.945 --> 00:32:15.280
But all that did was what we were fighting for
00:32:15.280 --> 00:32:17.449
Was return the battle to the states.
00:32:17.449 --> 00:32:18.951
And some states have put in laws that are even more radical
00:32:18.951 --> 00:32:22.688
Than would have been allowed under roe versus wade.
00:32:22.688 --> 00:32:24.356
Other states have put in more restrictions.
00:32:24.356 --> 00:32:26.058
It's just a refresher on dobbs case,
00:32:26.058 --> 00:32:28.394
Because that's where we're going now.
00:32:28.394 --> 00:32:29.795
So just give a little touch of what happened.
00:32:29.795 --> 00:32:32.898
So basically, the dobbs
00:32:32.898 --> 00:32:33.899
Case said the supreme court got it wrong.
00:32:33.899 --> 00:32:36.335
The states should be deciding,
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These, these kind of issues when it comes to abortion
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And, and the standards and that it should not be,
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Played out federally by the, by the supreme court.
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And, you know, congress didn't pass laws.
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This wasn't anything signed by the president.
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So it was kind of,
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It was the court legislating, and they got it wrong.
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And they didn't.
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Well, you know, one thing we point out,
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Because you could also hear it sounded
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From some of the abortion advocates,
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That they somehow, tried to ban abortion when they overturned
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Roe versus wade in the dobbs case.
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And that's not the that's not the truth at all.
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In fact, all they did was say the states need to decide.
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The states are where
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The states and the elected officials in the states are the
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Most direct,
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Representatives of the people.
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And so let them decide.
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So, again, wasn't wasn't more, trying to make a moral decision
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For the whole country.
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And so we have a major fight now in about 27 states,
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To fight back against the abortion industry.
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And they were ready to go.
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They were ready for the day.
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That right, versus wade got over.
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So the fights really just change some changes. okay.
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So what's the change?
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The change now is that you're going into the states.
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You're going in to fight in california,
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You're going into massachusetts or new york.
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And you said and we've even seen trouble
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In states where the majority of voters
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Would consider themselves to be pro-life,
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But they put ballot initiatives on
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And they were sometimes confusing, like,
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You could do this to this or or should we allow,
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Do you want the state to prohibit
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This kind of procedure for this many months?
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And the abortion industry knew
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Exactly what they were doing, their billion, dollar year
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Business, and, their money is abortion.
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They grew even under covid
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Through the mail order abortion pills.
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Where states that don't allow,
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Those abortion pills to be administered
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At home, like, without the care of a doctor.
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They allowed those to start being mailed into those states.
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And so there are so many battles on life now,
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And that is actually what my dad and so much
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The pro-life movement was fighting for
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Was for the day that then the next generation of attorneys
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That were probably going to come along
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Would be able to stop fighting this
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Really in the federal courts,
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Where you had row hanging over you the whole time,
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And all you're trying to do is say, well, even in a row,
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Can we have a ban on partial birth abortion?
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Something like that.
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And, and get this back to the states so that we can go
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Back to the people and say,
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You know,
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You directly can decide what your state is going to allow.
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And this battle, it's really just really just beginning.
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And it's simply shifted.
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This state shifted.
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And that's good though. it is good.
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That is
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That was the goal
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Because before you had this overarching federal,
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You know, case that roe versus wade that only gave
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A few little, there were like little but a few pass
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To try and put any restrictions on abortion whatsoever,
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Even in the, you know, final, final month or two of pregnancy.
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Yeah.
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So, with that gone, we now take, the battle
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Goes out of the federal courts and into the state courts.
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And you can imagine why these cases become difficult.
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You've got a seventh grader or a kindergartner,
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And now you want to take on your school district,
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Which means taking on the state eventually.
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And and you live there. you work there.
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You might have a business there, a work for a company there.
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And so you have to be a pretty bold person to stand up.
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But you
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You realize they're standing up for probably a lot of parents
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Who don't want their kids to have to be indoctrinated
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With this kind of imagery.
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I mean, it's imagery
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That, again, if you couldn't show it right
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Now, then you would think that that's not appropriate
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For the kindergarten or seventh grade.
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And so we are
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These parental rights is another huge issue right now.
00:36:11.049 --> 00:36:14.152
And, and we're seeing it across the country,
00:36:14.152 --> 00:36:16.121
These public schools,
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They are really trying to change the culture there
00:36:17.189 --> 00:36:18.957
So that by the time these kids
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Are even at an age
00:36:20.225 --> 00:36:21.560
Where they're starting
00:36:21.560 --> 00:36:22.494
To ask questions about faith and all that
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They've already been so indoctrinated by,
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There is no right or wrong.
00:36:25.797 --> 00:36:27.032
There is really no, you know, good and bad.
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It's whatever feels good to me.
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I can call myself whatever i want.
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This is how be.
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You know, i want what i want to be called this year in class.
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Refer to me as this next year.
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And by the way,
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You're not going to tell my parents
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What i'm doing even though i'm a minor.
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That's that's
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I think the the newest round in the battle for our culture.
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Jordan Sekulow: The Legal Battle for Faith | Praise

February 24, 2026 | S26 E224 | 36:47

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