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Joseph Oduro: Brown University Shooting Survivor | Praise

April 9, 2026 | 55:58

Joseph Oduro: Brown University Shooting Survivor | Praise
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Praise | Joseph Oduro: Brown University Shooting Survivor | Praise | April 9, 2026
  • (beeping sound)
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  • - [narrator] on a cold saturday afternoon in providence,
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  • The brown university campus
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  • Was doing what it had done for centuries:
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  • Teaching, studying,
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  • Preparing young people for what came next.
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  • Finals week was days away.
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  • Students moved between buildings
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  • With backpacks heavy from books and stress.
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  • Inside the barus and holley building,
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  • One classroom was filled past capacity.
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  • Chairs were tight, laptops were open, phones were silent.
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  • It was a review session, not a lecture.
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  • Practical, focused.
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  • The kind of meeting students show up for
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  • When the stakes feel real.
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  • At the front of the room stood joseph oduro,
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  • A senior and teaching assistant.
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  • He was not a professor, he was one of them.
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  • Someone who had taken the same exams,
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  • Felt the same pressure,
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  • Learned how to explain complex material clearly
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  • Because he had once struggled with it himself.
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  • He began this session the way he always did:
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  • Calm voice, direct explanations, fielding questions,
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  • Moving through problem sets.
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  • Students followed along.
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  • Some typing, some writing by hand, some simply listening.
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  • Nothing felt unusual, nothing felt off.
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  • Then there was a sound outside the classroom.
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  • At first, it did not register as danger.
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  • A door somewhere down the hall,
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  • Footsteps, a raised voice.
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  • In a university building, noise blends into routine,
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  • But then the door to the classroom opened.
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  • A man stepped inside.
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  • He was dressed in dark clothing.
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  • His face was partially covered.
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  • He carried a firearm.
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  • Joseph oduro looked up and made eye contact with him.
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  • That moment
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  • Lasted less than a second. - run! run!
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  • - [narrator] gunfire followed.
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  • (gun firing)
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  • (students screaming)
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  • (student panting)
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  • (gun firing)
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  • (students screaming)
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  • - get cover!
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  • Stay down!
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  • (gunshots continue)
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  • (footsteps stomping)
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  • - [narrator] the gunman moved through the room
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  • And then back toward the door.
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  • Within moments, he was gone.
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  • Oduro crawled to a wounded student and took their hand.
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  • - stay down until we are safe.
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  • - i will.
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  • - [narrator] he texted his parents a short message.
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  • "i love you."
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  • (intense music)
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  • - [officer 1] chief, we're on scene
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  • With the two victims at 165.
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  • There is an active shooter.
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  • - [officer 2] the scene is 201 thayer street.
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  • From the police, it is a confirmed shooting.
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  • - [officer 3] 3 received.
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  • Is that three victims total but only two at 167 thayer?
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  • - [officer 4] that's affirmative.
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  • - [officer 5] dispatch would be advised.
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  • There's also another person shot.
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  • - [officer 6] dispatch, be advised.
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  • There's an active shooter situation.
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  • (beep)
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  • (radio beeping)
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  • (overlapping chatter)
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  • - [officer 1] room 166.
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  • - [officer 6] what do you got? what do you got?
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  • (beep)
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  • Alright, coming up.
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  • You brought your own weapon?
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  • (tense music)
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  • (overlapping chatter)
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  • - [narrator] emergency responders arrived quickly,
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  • Police flooded the building,
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  • Medical teams followed.
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  • - [officer 1] providence police!
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  • - [officer 2] hands, hands, hands!
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  • (officers jabber)
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  • - [narrator] students were escorted out,
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  • Hands raised, faces streaked with tears,
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  • Blood, dust.
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  • Some limped, some were carried,
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  • Some stared ahead, unblinking.
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  • Two students did not leave alive.
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  • Outside, the campus locked down.
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  • Confusion spread faster than verified information.
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  • Rumors moved through phones and group chats.
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  • Parents across the country watched breaking news alerts
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  • And waited for replies that did not come fast enough.
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  • The suspect fled the scene.
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  • Surveillance cameras would later trace his path
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  • Away from campus.
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  • He did not stay, he did not surrender.
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  • He vanished into the network of roads
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  • That connect rhode island to the rest of new england.
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  • In the days that followed,
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  • Investigators would identify the gunman as claudio valente,
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  • A former graduate student
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  • With no current affiliation to brown.
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  • They would link him to another killing days later.
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  • They would recover videos
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  • In which he admitted planning the attack.
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  • They would find him dead in a storage unit.
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  • The manhunt over without a trial,
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  • Without answers that felt sufficient.
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  • But on december 13th, inside that classroom,
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  • None of that was known.
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  • What remained was the human reality.
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  • A teaching assistant who showed up to help students
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  • Pass an exam,
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  • A room full of young people who trusted
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  • That a university classroom
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  • Was a safe place to sit and learn.
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  • A sudden rupture that turned routine into tragedy.
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  • When brown canceled the remainder of the semester,
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  • When vigils were held and statements released,
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  • When debates began about security and prevention,
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  • One story continued to surface.
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  • The story of what happened in that room.
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  • The story of someone who did not freeze.
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  • The story of someone who stayed.
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  • And now, as the camera prepares
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  • To cut away from the empty classroom,
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  • From the scuffed floors and overturned chairs,
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  • From the place where everything changed,
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  • There is one voice left to hear.
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  • Joseph oduro.
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  • - being in that room that day
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  • Was nothing like i was ever trained for
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  • And nothing i was ever prepared for.
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  • It took a lot really just to really understand
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  • What everything, what was going on.
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  • And even though i have eyes
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  • And i saw what the situation was occurring,
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  • It didn't necessarily process right away in my mind.
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  • And my first initial thought was,
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  • "jesus, take me outta this situation."
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  • And as soon as i went down, i immediately started praying
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  • And tears were coming down my eyes extremely fast.
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  • But deep down in my mental-
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  • In my heart, i knew
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  • That i was gonna be okay because i have god on my side.
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  • And honestly, in the past two months,
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  • I've really done a lot of deep introspection
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  • And tried to figure out what is my purpose
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  • And why was i in that room
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  • And why ultimately god decided to spare my life.
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  • And i really just started to understand that, you know,
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  • I can have so many ideas on my life,
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  • But at the end of the day, the lord determines your steps.
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  • And in that situation, i really started to understand
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  • That maybe it wasn't the best for me
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  • And it wasn't necessarily what i wanted to be in that room.
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  • I feel like being in that room,
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  • I was able to do a lot more good than i could have done
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  • If maybe i wasn't there.
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  • Maybe something else was occurring in that same room
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  • At that same time.
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  • Maybe it was another ta section or another course
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  • Or another class or even a final that was taking place.
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  • So in the midst of it all, i'm just thankful to god
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  • For putting me in that situation
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  • And ultimately take me outta that situation.
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  • I remember when i was down on behind the desk,
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  • I was praying with one of my fellow students
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  • That were behind the little pulpit behind me.
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  • And we were almost so loud, it felt like we were screaming.
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  • And there was like five other people down there screaming,
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  • "jesus, jesus, jesus."
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  • And if you read the excerpt of the shooter,
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  • He didn't even see anybody down there.
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  • He didn't hear any noise down there.
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  • And i feel like god really just put that canopy over us
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  • And blinded the shooter to even seeing the 20 or 30 students
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  • That were all still sitting right down there.
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  • Because even though we were trying to be quiet,
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  • It was extremely hard to be quiet
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  • Because one girl got shot in the leg.
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  • She was in immense pain and she was making noise.
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  • And i remember, even me, myself,
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  • I was almost sobbing and i was making a lot of noise.
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  • And those other students
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  • That were making a lot of noise in straight hysteria.
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  • But all in all, i'm just thankful for god
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  • Because without him none of this would be possible.
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  • And without him, i don't even know if i'd be here today.
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  • - i talked with your father.
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  • Bishop, thank you for being here.
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  • Joseph, thank you for being here.
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  • This is a trust in tragedy moment.
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  • This is god being in the midst of a storm.
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  • And in the midst of the storm,
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  • You're calling out the right name, jesus.
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  • Think of the disciples in the boat.
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  • "master, do you not care that we're going
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  • To die in this storm?"
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  • And he says, "where's your faith?"
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  • And so, you went through one of the most...
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  • You know, shocking i think events that could ever happen.
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  • A gunman bursts into the door and start shooting.
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  • And the name jesus comes out of your mouth.
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  • That's who you are, what you are.
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  • But dad, you told me
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  • That your phone rang
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  • And...
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  • You know,
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  • Your son is calling you from the midst of this situation.
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  • Give me your side of the story.
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  • And you know, what does a father do
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  • When he gets a call from the son
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  • Who is in the midst of a situation like that?
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  • Tell me about that.
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  • - in all situations, we give glory to god.
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  • It was a sunday.
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  • And normally when i go to church,
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  • I fast to go through the service and then when we get home,
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  • I relax last a little bit
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  • And i'm trying to get something to eat.
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  • I had just sat down at the dining table
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  • When my daughter ran to me and said,
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  • "joseph's classroom, there a shooter,
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  • Live shooter in the room."
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  • I got up and i say, "in the name of jesus,
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  • The devil is a liar."
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  • And then i tried to pray in english,
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  • The words were not coming.
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  • I start praying in tongues, i was not myself.
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  • I ran from where i was in the dining kitchen
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  • And went to the laundry room.
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  • Lift up my hands, start calling upon the name of the lord.
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  • There was such a heaviness on me, i couldn't shake it.
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  • I'm like, "i'm not in the right place."
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  • I ran to the basement and i left up my hands.
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  • I said, "my lord, my god."
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  • Then i caught myself and i said,
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  • "this is not the time to pray,
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  • This is the time to command."
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  • And i say, "in the name of jesus,
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  • Sit and take your hands off my child.
  • 00:11:09.622 --> 00:11:11.991
  • Take your hands off my boy. you have no power over him.
  • 00:11:11.991 --> 00:11:16.162
  • Take your hands off. i command you to take your hands off!"
  • 00:11:16.162 --> 00:11:19.999
  • And i just kept on commanding and kept on asking god
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  • To take control of the situation.
  • 00:11:25.905 --> 00:11:28.274
  • As we know,
  • 00:11:28.274 --> 00:11:29.809
  • Now we know that when the gunman walked into the room,
  • 00:11:29.809 --> 00:11:33.279
  • Joseph locked eyes with him.
  • 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.381
  • So the first two bullets went for him.
  • 00:11:35.381 --> 00:11:38.084
  • And he couldn't hit him, 'cause he went into the blackboard.
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  • I believe that the angels of god were there
  • 00:11:41.687 --> 00:11:43.923
  • To knock the bullets to the board.
  • 00:11:43.923 --> 00:11:46.425
  • And then he got down to the ground.
  • 00:11:46.425 --> 00:11:48.494
  • And as he just mentioned, the girl that was there
  • 00:11:48.494 --> 00:11:51.430
  • Got shot both legs and screaming and praying.
  • 00:11:51.430 --> 00:11:55.935
  • And so it was tough for a parent,
  • 00:11:55.935 --> 00:12:01.274
  • Especially when i just finished praying.
  • 00:12:02.141 --> 00:12:03.676
  • I'm preaching to come home and getting something to eat,
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  • And to hear something like this.
  • 00:12:06.112 --> 00:12:07.947
  • But i will give god a glory that god
  • 00:12:07.947 --> 00:12:10.817
  • Gave me, remind me of who i am.
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  • And remind me the reason why he gave him to me
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  • And stood on the word of god
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  • To tell satan to pack his bags and move on.
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  • Not here, he's not working in this territory.
  • 00:12:23.129 --> 00:12:26.432
  • - early in life,
  • 00:12:26.432 --> 00:12:29.769
  • You were a preacher from a young age, 12 years old.
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  • Do you recall what your message was
  • 00:12:35.441 --> 00:12:39.345
  • From your first sermon at 12?
  • 00:12:39.979 --> 00:12:43.149
  • - hmm.
  • 00:12:43.149 --> 00:12:44.517
  • Well, the lord has always have control of my life.
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  • It was a sunday, i came home from church.
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  • And i was standing in this, the house compound,
  • 00:12:53.392 --> 00:12:58.698
  • Trying to imitate the pastor
  • 00:12:59.265 --> 00:13:00.967
  • That had just finished preaching.
  • 00:13:00.967 --> 00:13:03.269
  • And my grandmother said, "stop making all that noise.
  • 00:13:03.269 --> 00:13:07.974
  • And a young man like you should be preaching."
  • 00:13:07.974 --> 00:13:11.043
  • And i said, "you got it.
  • 00:13:11.043 --> 00:13:13.312
  • I'm gonna start preaching starting tomorrow."
  • 00:13:13.312 --> 00:13:15.915
  • And she says, "okay."
  • 00:13:15.915 --> 00:13:17.483
  • So i start as evangelist.
  • 00:13:17.483 --> 00:13:19.185
  • The next morning, i got up at five o'clock in the morning,
  • 00:13:19.185 --> 00:13:21.320
  • Took my lamp and start sharing the word of god.
  • 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:24.257
  • And i told people,
  • 00:13:24.257 --> 00:13:25.558
  • "christ loves you. it was all about love.
  • 00:13:25.558 --> 00:13:28.160
  • Christ loves you, he cares for you.
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  • Give your life to him and he will make you whole."
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  • And that's how i started from day one.
  • 00:13:34.934 --> 00:13:37.336
  • - you called your dad from the midst of the chaos.
  • 00:13:37.336 --> 00:13:42.275
  • And he was hearing some of what was going on in the room.
  • 00:13:43.409 --> 00:13:49.181
  • When did that thought come into your head
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  • To call your dad from the room?
  • 00:13:52.985 --> 00:13:55.454
  • - yeah, so the first thought that i initially had
  • 00:13:55.454 --> 00:13:58.758
  • Was "let me text my parents.
  • 00:13:58.758 --> 00:14:01.794
  • Let them know the situation that is going on."
  • 00:14:01.794 --> 00:14:05.197
  • If you're in my family group chat,
  • 00:14:05.197 --> 00:14:09.001
  • You're well aware that i rarely send any text messages
  • 00:14:09.001 --> 00:14:12.605
  • In the group chat.
  • 00:14:12.605 --> 00:14:14.106
  • And i almost never text my parents, i always call them
  • 00:14:14.106 --> 00:14:17.376
  • Because both of my parents,
  • 00:14:17.376 --> 00:14:19.512
  • They're getting a little bit older in age
  • 00:14:19.512 --> 00:14:21.614
  • And they're not the best
  • 00:14:21.614 --> 00:14:22.982
  • Or most responsive when it comes to text messages.
  • 00:14:22.982 --> 00:14:25.384
  • - he's talking about you.
  • 00:14:25.384 --> 00:14:26.953
  • Your dad can hear you by the way, he's sitting right here.
  • 00:14:26.953 --> 00:14:29.155
  • So, and he's, you know, kind of my age.
  • 00:14:29.155 --> 00:14:31.390
  • So easy on the age thing.
  • 00:14:31.390 --> 00:14:33.259
  • Okay, go ahead.
  • 00:14:33.259 --> 00:14:34.093
  • - so i always-
  • 00:14:34.093 --> 00:14:35.461
  • Whenever i have something to tell my parents,
  • 00:14:35.461 --> 00:14:37.363
  • I always give them a call.
  • 00:14:37.363 --> 00:14:38.898
  • But in this situation, a call wasn't gonna be something
  • 00:14:38.898 --> 00:14:42.969
  • That was gonna be possible and feasible.
  • 00:14:42.969 --> 00:14:44.737
  • So i made sure i sent a text message to my parents
  • 00:14:44.737 --> 00:14:48.207
  • And i just want them to let them know
  • 00:14:48.207 --> 00:14:50.376
  • That i'm thankful for everything that they'd done for me.
  • 00:14:50.376 --> 00:14:52.511
  • And you know, even though...
  • 00:14:52.511 --> 00:14:56.115
  • You know, i wasn't always the best kid growing up,
  • 00:14:56.115 --> 00:14:58.751
  • I was a little bit rebellious
  • 00:14:58.751 --> 00:15:00.353
  • And i went through those phases where you just want to go
  • 00:15:00.353 --> 00:15:03.889
  • Against everything your parents are saying.
  • 00:15:03.889 --> 00:15:06.325
  • Deep down, i loved them with everything in me.
  • 00:15:07.293 --> 00:15:11.297
  • And i wanted them to know that before,
  • 00:15:11.297 --> 00:15:13.499
  • Ultimately i thought was gonna be the end of it all.
  • 00:15:13.499 --> 00:15:16.869
  • Texted my sister, i texted my brothers.
  • 00:15:17.737 --> 00:15:19.805
  • And i sent them all messages
  • 00:15:19.805 --> 00:15:21.907
  • And i just let them know that,
  • 00:15:21.907 --> 00:15:23.542
  • "i'll always be with you guys
  • 00:15:23.542 --> 00:15:24.844
  • And i just love you guys forever."
  • 00:15:24.844 --> 00:15:26.245
  • And in that very moment i was going,
  • 00:15:26.245 --> 00:15:30.583
  • I was overcome with a lot of emotions
  • 00:15:30.583 --> 00:15:32.685
  • And i was in straight shock.
  • 00:15:32.685 --> 00:15:36.255
  • I sent a couple text messages to my closest friend at brown.
  • 00:15:36.255 --> 00:15:40.826
  • I sent some messages to some of my friends at home
  • 00:15:40.826 --> 00:15:43.329
  • And i just let them know what was going on.
  • 00:15:43.329 --> 00:15:46.999
  • And you know, that "no matter what,
  • 00:15:46.999 --> 00:15:50.970
  • I'll always be watching over you in heaven."
  • 00:15:50.970 --> 00:15:53.906
  • And then i was praying with the people right next to me,
  • 00:15:55.007 --> 00:15:59.745
  • Making sure everybody was sending those messages
  • 00:15:59.745 --> 00:16:02.648
  • To the people that they loved
  • 00:16:02.648 --> 00:16:04.316
  • Because not everybody was able to reach their phones
  • 00:16:04.316 --> 00:16:07.286
  • Or not able to send a message
  • 00:16:07.286 --> 00:16:09.588
  • Just because of the amount of pain that they were in.
  • 00:16:09.588 --> 00:16:12.324
  • So i was just comforting the people around me
  • 00:16:12.324 --> 00:16:14.627
  • And taking care of myself of course,
  • 00:16:14.627 --> 00:16:17.329
  • Because if i for say go,
  • 00:16:17.329 --> 00:16:21.267
  • I also want the people around me to know that i love them
  • 00:16:21.267 --> 00:16:24.303
  • And i care for them as well.
  • 00:16:24.303 --> 00:16:26.038
  • - so when you're, when you think you're actually gonna die,
  • 00:16:26.038 --> 00:16:31.310
  • The scripture,
  • 00:16:31.677 --> 00:16:32.978
  • "train up a child in the way that he should go
  • 00:16:32.978 --> 00:16:35.714
  • And he'll never be able to depart from it."
  • 00:16:36.649 --> 00:16:38.617
  • Kind of comes to mind in some respects,
  • 00:16:38.617 --> 00:16:41.887
  • Because what you needed to do in that moment
  • 00:16:41.887 --> 00:16:44.790
  • Was text your family.
  • 00:16:44.790 --> 00:16:47.460
  • So relationships with your family ultimately,
  • 00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:51.330
  • What came to your mind when you had no idea,
  • 00:16:51.330 --> 00:16:56.001
  • You know, how bad this was going to ultimately be
  • 00:16:57.002 --> 00:17:00.706
  • Or how bad it was gonna get, or how long it was gonna last.
  • 00:17:00.706 --> 00:17:03.843
  • You had no idea.
  • 00:17:03.843 --> 00:17:05.377
  • And that's what came to mind, that's what you did.
  • 00:17:05.377 --> 00:17:07.580
  • You text your family.
  • 00:17:07.580 --> 00:17:10.449
  • But was there a phone call, where you were hearing
  • 00:17:10.449 --> 00:17:13.786
  • What was going on in the room at one point?
  • 00:17:13.786 --> 00:17:16.388
  • - yeah. when he was texting, i...
  • 00:17:17.156 --> 00:17:21.827
  • You know, the texting, he was pretty much saying "good bye."
  • 00:17:21.827 --> 00:17:26.132
  • "i love you, i love you, i love you,
  • 00:17:26.899 --> 00:17:29.034
  • I love you, i love you, i love you."
  • 00:17:29.034 --> 00:17:30.769
  • And then he said, "i am so scared."
  • 00:17:30.769 --> 00:17:33.772
  • And that's the point that i took off to go to the basement.
  • 00:17:34.974 --> 00:17:39.845
  • And then my wife and my daughter,
  • 00:17:39.845 --> 00:17:42.548
  • They kept continuing to be on the line with him.
  • 00:17:42.548 --> 00:17:46.385
  • So at that point, i wasn't physically there,
  • 00:17:47.286 --> 00:17:49.588
  • But they told me afterwards what took place.
  • 00:17:49.588 --> 00:17:51.924
  • - [host] i see. - so they heard the screaming
  • 00:17:51.924 --> 00:17:54.160
  • That was going on in the room.
  • 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:56.061
  • They heard the crying, they heard all that was taking place.
  • 00:17:56.061 --> 00:18:01.500
  • And it was tough.
  • 00:18:01.934 --> 00:18:03.802
  • It was tough. but i knew that the god that i serve
  • 00:18:03.802 --> 00:18:06.605
  • Is always there.
  • 00:18:06.605 --> 00:18:07.907
  • And he's faithful. and i just call on him.
  • 00:18:07.907 --> 00:18:10.676
  • And it's not the first time we have called on him.
  • 00:18:10.676 --> 00:18:12.978
  • We call on him all the time, and he always come through.
  • 00:18:12.978 --> 00:18:17.049
  • So sometimes ministers, you know, we share the word.
  • 00:18:17.049 --> 00:18:20.619
  • But then it comes to the critical time,
  • 00:18:20.619 --> 00:18:23.656
  • We need to practice it
  • 00:18:23.656 --> 00:18:24.823
  • Because we don't just preach the word,
  • 00:18:24.823 --> 00:18:26.225
  • We also have to practice what we preach.
  • 00:18:26.225 --> 00:18:28.394
  • And so i just call upon the name of the lord,
  • 00:18:28.394 --> 00:18:31.163
  • Trust in his word that he would take care of my son.
  • 00:18:31.163 --> 00:18:34.233
  • 'cause he has always been my pastor
  • 00:18:34.233 --> 00:18:37.269
  • Since the child that he-
  • 00:18:37.269 --> 00:18:38.637
  • Time that he was young.
  • 00:18:38.637 --> 00:18:40.072
  • We will be coming from church and he would tell me
  • 00:18:40.072 --> 00:18:43.008
  • That "god wants me to tell you this."
  • 00:18:43.008 --> 00:18:45.744
  • "god wants me to tell you this."
  • 00:18:45.744 --> 00:18:47.046
  • So i always knew that he has a special calling.
  • 00:18:47.046 --> 00:18:50.115
  • And as a matter of fact,
  • 00:18:50.115 --> 00:18:51.951
  • When he was young,
  • 00:18:51.951 --> 00:18:53.319
  • If i was sick or things were not going well,
  • 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:55.588
  • I always walk into his room.
  • 00:18:55.588 --> 00:18:56.689
  • And i said, "lay your hands on me."
  • 00:18:56.689 --> 00:18:58.757
  • And he's the only one that i allow
  • 00:18:58.757 --> 00:19:00.392
  • To lay his hands on me to pray.
  • 00:19:00.392 --> 00:19:02.861
  • And so, i have known his calling.
  • 00:19:02.861 --> 00:19:05.097
  • I know what god is going to do in his life.
  • 00:19:05.097 --> 00:19:08.100
  • And i just reminded god why he gave him to me.
  • 00:19:08.100 --> 00:19:11.737
  • And the reason why satan cannot touch him.
  • 00:19:11.737 --> 00:19:14.640
  • I knew, i knew, and i knew.
  • 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:16.976
  • That's why i went to the basement
  • 00:19:16.976 --> 00:19:18.244
  • Because upstairs, i wasn't feeling it.
  • 00:19:18.244 --> 00:19:20.045
  • So when i went downstairs,
  • 00:19:20.045 --> 00:19:21.547
  • It was just me and god in that big space
  • 00:19:21.547 --> 00:19:23.382
  • Walking back and forth.
  • 00:19:23.382 --> 00:19:24.883
  • I knew that god was hearing me.
  • 00:19:24.883 --> 00:19:27.319
  • And he was upon him.
  • 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:29.688
  • - joseph, your dad told me on a telephone call
  • 00:19:29.688 --> 00:19:34.927
  • That he refers to you sometimes as his prophet.
  • 00:19:35.928 --> 00:19:40.599
  • And that there was something to do with the timing
  • 00:19:41.600 --> 00:19:46.605
  • Of releasing your class or not releasing your class.
  • 00:19:47.673 --> 00:19:49.742
  • And what was that that your dad was telling me?
  • 00:19:49.742 --> 00:19:53.679
  • What were you hearing from the lord
  • 00:19:53.679 --> 00:19:56.115
  • Prior to this shooting incident?
  • 00:19:56.115 --> 00:19:58.350
  • - yeah, so i had my own finals.
  • 00:19:58.350 --> 00:20:00.753
  • I had to study and prepare for that same day.
  • 00:20:00.753 --> 00:20:03.489
  • I had a final, the review session was on a sunday.
  • 00:20:03.489 --> 00:20:06.759
  • I had a final upcoming on tuesday from my apma class,
  • 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:09.928
  • Which was going to be the hardest final
  • 00:20:09.928 --> 00:20:12.364
  • I probably would ever take in all of college.
  • 00:20:12.364 --> 00:20:15.668
  • So i originally planned to end the review session early.
  • 00:20:16.802 --> 00:20:19.905
  • I wanted it to end 15 to 20 minutes early.
  • 00:20:19.905 --> 00:20:23.575
  • That way i can get some time back for myself
  • 00:20:23.575 --> 00:20:26.178
  • And potentially get some studying done for my apma class.
  • 00:20:26.178 --> 00:20:30.783
  • Instead, it didn't end up going that way at all.
  • 00:20:31.784 --> 00:20:34.153
  • I...
  • 00:20:34.153 --> 00:20:35.254
  • We hit the four, we hit an hour in
  • 00:20:35.254 --> 00:20:38.390
  • And we were just about halfway done with the content.
  • 00:20:38.390 --> 00:20:41.960
  • So i knew we had just a bit of an hour
  • 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.229
  • Or 50 minutes left to go.
  • 00:20:44.229 --> 00:20:46.198
  • And even when we hit four o'clock, there was still
  • 00:20:46.198 --> 00:20:49.068
  • Like two or three chapters we had to go over.
  • 00:20:49.068 --> 00:20:52.271
  • And i was really contemplating
  • 00:20:52.271 --> 00:20:54.540
  • If i should just leave those two chapters out
  • 00:20:54.540 --> 00:20:57.176
  • And end the review session
  • 00:20:57.176 --> 00:20:58.744
  • So i can take time for myself to prepare for my own finals
  • 00:20:58.744 --> 00:21:02.114
  • Or if i should continue the review session.
  • 00:21:02.114 --> 00:21:04.383
  • And selfishly, i decided-
  • 00:21:04.383 --> 00:21:07.086
  • I was going to decide to end it early.
  • 00:21:07.086 --> 00:21:09.521
  • But immediately,
  • 00:21:09.521 --> 00:21:10.923
  • Once i thought that i heard a voice in my head
  • 00:21:10.923 --> 00:21:13.826
  • And it told me to go over those last two chapters
  • 00:21:13.826 --> 00:21:17.830
  • And take your time with it
  • 00:21:17.830 --> 00:21:19.498
  • Because these two chapters are important.
  • 00:21:19.498 --> 00:21:21.967
  • And once i heard that, you know, i care about my students.
  • 00:21:21.967 --> 00:21:25.904
  • I care about my students a lot,
  • 00:21:26.572 --> 00:21:27.973
  • And i wanted them to feel like they were prepared
  • 00:21:27.973 --> 00:21:29.908
  • And they got something from the review session.
  • 00:21:29.908 --> 00:21:32.344
  • So i was like, "okay,
  • 00:21:32.344 --> 00:21:33.779
  • I'll maybe i'll go just about five or so minutes."
  • 00:21:33.779 --> 00:21:37.483
  • Into after four o'clock to go over those last two chapters,
  • 00:21:37.483 --> 00:21:42.121
  • Take any additional questions that are necessary.
  • 00:21:42.121 --> 00:21:44.523
  • And you know, from there, i'll go to the science library
  • 00:21:44.523 --> 00:21:48.227
  • And study in the basement with all my friends
  • 00:21:48.227 --> 00:21:51.597
  • In like the zero decibel place, which is extremely quiet.
  • 00:21:51.597 --> 00:21:56.368
  • But it actually ended up,
  • 00:21:56.935 --> 00:21:58.337
  • I never made it to the science library that day.
  • 00:21:58.337 --> 00:22:01.073
  • I...
  • 00:22:01.073 --> 00:22:02.474
  • We ended the review session just around 4:03, 4:04.
  • 00:22:02.474 --> 00:22:06.678
  • We went just three or four minutes early,
  • 00:22:06.678 --> 00:22:08.747
  • And i was down at the end.
  • 00:22:08.747 --> 00:22:11.717
  • I was down at the bottom taking questions from some students
  • 00:22:11.717 --> 00:22:14.887
  • That had some lingering questions after
  • 00:22:14.887 --> 00:22:16.855
  • The review session.
  • 00:22:16.855 --> 00:22:17.856
  • And that's when the gunman entered the room,
  • 00:22:17.856 --> 00:22:20.459
  • When everybody was already standing,
  • 00:22:20.459 --> 00:22:22.895
  • Ready to exit,
  • 00:22:23.262 --> 00:22:24.329
  • Or already walking to the front
  • 00:22:24.329 --> 00:22:26.565
  • To ask any further questions that they had.
  • 00:22:26.565 --> 00:22:30.035
  • And i feel like the situation could have been a lot worse.
  • 00:22:30.035 --> 00:22:33.839
  • If the review session ended at four o'clock
  • 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:37.176
  • And everybody was-
  • 00:22:37.176 --> 00:22:38.677
  • And i actually decided to just leave right away
  • 00:22:38.677 --> 00:22:40.646
  • To go straight to the library,
  • 00:22:40.646 --> 00:22:42.781
  • All of the students, including myself,
  • 00:22:42.781 --> 00:22:44.917
  • Would've been in the hallway.
  • 00:22:44.917 --> 00:22:46.652
  • And the gunman would've been right behind us.
  • 00:22:46.652 --> 00:22:50.389
  • And i think the situation
  • 00:22:50.389 --> 00:22:51.857
  • Would've been a lot worse that way
  • 00:22:51.857 --> 00:22:53.258
  • Because then we're just sitting ducks in a open hallway
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  • With nowhere to go.
  • 00:22:55.661 --> 00:22:57.229
  • And i think there would've been a lot
  • 00:22:57.229 --> 00:22:59.364
  • More tragedies that way.
  • 00:22:59.364 --> 00:23:00.532
  • And i'm honestly very thankful
  • 00:23:00.532 --> 00:23:03.001
  • That i heard that voice and i listened to the voice.
  • 00:23:04.036 --> 00:23:06.605
  • I think a lot of the times,
  • 00:23:06.605 --> 00:23:08.540
  • You get the choice at the end of the day,
  • 00:23:08.540 --> 00:23:10.209
  • Whether or not you want to listen to the holy spirit
  • 00:23:10.209 --> 00:23:13.212
  • That's pressing these concerns on your heart.
  • 00:23:13.212 --> 00:23:15.881
  • And a lot of the times,
  • 00:23:15.881 --> 00:23:17.316
  • You take the choice that is more beneficial to you.
  • 00:23:17.316 --> 00:23:20.853
  • If it's not necessarily you know, what you want to hear.
  • 00:23:20.853 --> 00:23:23.755
  • Sometimes, you chalk it up and you say,
  • 00:23:23.755 --> 00:23:25.757
  • Oh, maybe this is just the devil talking to me."
  • 00:23:25.757 --> 00:23:27.960
  • Or something like that.
  • 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:29.461
  • But i decided to listen to it that day
  • 00:23:29.461 --> 00:23:32.264
  • And i think we should try more
  • 00:23:32.264 --> 00:23:35.334
  • And listen to the voice of the lord.
  • 00:23:35.334 --> 00:23:37.903
  • Because at the end of the day, the lord cares for you.
  • 00:23:37.903 --> 00:23:40.172
  • It says "cast your cares unto the lord because he cares."
  • 00:23:40.172 --> 00:23:42.708
  • And at that day, i decide to listen and you know,
  • 00:23:42.708 --> 00:23:46.411
  • I think that's plays a huge part
  • 00:23:46.411 --> 00:23:49.214
  • Into the fact that i'm here today speaking with you.
  • 00:23:49.214 --> 00:23:52.551
  • - "my sheep hear my voice,
  • 00:23:52.551 --> 00:23:54.253
  • And a stranger they will not follow."
  • 00:23:54.253 --> 00:23:57.256
  • The idea that you had a place to duck down,
  • 00:23:58.190 --> 00:24:03.495
  • The students had a place to duck down,
  • 00:24:04.329 --> 00:24:05.597
  • Not all just in a hallway with a gunman
  • 00:24:05.597 --> 00:24:10.569
  • Feels like...
  • 00:24:10.936 --> 00:24:13.906
  • It would've been a lot worse.
  • 00:24:14.540 --> 00:24:16.875
  • The...
  • 00:24:16.875 --> 00:24:20.145
  • The question about some being spared.
  • 00:24:20.946 --> 00:24:26.285
  • A praying father, you know, saying,
  • 00:24:27.085 --> 00:24:31.857
  • "not my son, not today."
  • 00:24:32.357 --> 00:24:35.027
  • And commanding, you know,
  • 00:24:35.027 --> 00:24:38.664
  • The reality of what you were talking about as you were,
  • 00:24:38.664 --> 00:24:43.669
  • You were exercising your authority
  • 00:24:43.669 --> 00:24:46.305
  • That you as a believer in jesus have.
  • 00:24:46.305 --> 00:24:49.141
  • You were commanding protection in regard to these things.
  • 00:24:49.141 --> 00:24:53.745
  • It's amazing.
  • 00:24:53.745 --> 00:24:54.913
  • And in my own life, my mom was like that.
  • 00:24:55.814 --> 00:24:59.084
  • My mother was like that.
  • 00:24:59.084 --> 00:25:00.919
  • When i had a tragic thing happen
  • 00:25:00.919 --> 00:25:03.589
  • In a kind of a car wreck thing.
  • 00:25:03.589 --> 00:25:06.091
  • My mom when-
  • 00:25:06.091 --> 00:25:08.193
  • When the phone rang and my mom was going to be told
  • 00:25:08.193 --> 00:25:11.430
  • That there was a very close situation
  • 00:25:11.430 --> 00:25:14.700
  • Where my car caught on fire.
  • 00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:16.468
  • And i was fine, but she said,
  • 00:25:16.468 --> 00:25:20.138
  • "what has happened to matthew?" when she answered the phone.
  • 00:25:20.138 --> 00:25:23.842
  • That's how she answered the phone.
  • 00:25:23.842 --> 00:25:26.178
  • And the lord had shown her something was going on
  • 00:25:26.178 --> 00:25:30.048
  • And brought to.
  • 00:25:30.048 --> 00:25:31.383
  • So this story reminds me
  • 00:25:31.383 --> 00:25:33.552
  • Of even certain circumstances in my own life
  • 00:25:33.552 --> 00:25:36.588
  • Where a parent was involved.
  • 00:25:37.155 --> 00:25:39.358
  • Bishop, let's not make your son answer this question.
  • 00:25:39.358 --> 00:25:42.461
  • You've been a bishop. you have to answer the hard questions.
  • 00:25:42.461 --> 00:25:46.098
  • There are some people that lost their life
  • 00:25:46.965 --> 00:25:49.234
  • At brown university that day.
  • 00:25:49.234 --> 00:25:51.336
  • Even a professor two days later, this was international news
  • 00:25:52.504 --> 00:25:59.177
  • That what happened at brown university.
  • 00:25:59.978 --> 00:26:04.883
  • But god was inside of this story,
  • 00:26:05.617 --> 00:26:09.755
  • Undoubtedly speaking to joseph
  • 00:26:10.389 --> 00:26:13.925
  • To keep it from being even worse.
  • 00:26:13.925 --> 00:26:17.262
  • But there was tragic loss and injury and all that.
  • 00:26:17.262 --> 00:26:21.299
  • Where does that come from in your mind?
  • 00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:23.669
  • How does god protect some and some others aren't?
  • 00:26:24.703 --> 00:26:30.108
  • How do you, you know?
  • 00:26:30.609 --> 00:26:32.411
  • Maybe we don't know that till heaven,
  • 00:26:32.411 --> 00:26:33.845
  • But do you have an answer for that at all?
  • 00:26:33.845 --> 00:26:36.348
  • - well, i'll try.
  • 00:26:36.348 --> 00:26:38.350
  • Because all will be revealed to us when we meet jesus,
  • 00:26:38.350 --> 00:26:42.487
  • And he'll be able to tell us in every detail.
  • 00:26:42.487 --> 00:26:45.924
  • But my understanding, he says,
  • 00:26:45.924 --> 00:26:47.893
  • "i will have mercy on who i choose to have mercy."
  • 00:26:47.893 --> 00:26:50.896
  • And "thousands will fall on my side
  • 00:26:50.896 --> 00:26:52.931
  • And 10,000 will fall my right hand side,
  • 00:26:52.931 --> 00:26:55.067
  • But will come near me, will come not near me."
  • 00:26:55.067 --> 00:26:58.336
  • Paul was in a shipwreck.
  • 00:26:58.336 --> 00:27:00.205
  • And god said,
  • 00:27:00.205 --> 00:27:01.707
  • "the ships you will lose, but your lives i will save."
  • 00:27:01.707 --> 00:27:05.077
  • So ultimately, god has a final say
  • 00:27:05.077 --> 00:27:07.879
  • Of who he going to spare or who he may not.
  • 00:27:07.879 --> 00:27:12.584
  • But it comes down to everybody protects your own.
  • 00:27:12.584 --> 00:27:17.723
  • We all belong to christ.
  • 00:27:18.223 --> 00:27:19.791
  • But some have choose to accept his calling
  • 00:27:19.791 --> 00:27:22.694
  • And some have choose not to accept his calling.
  • 00:27:22.694 --> 00:27:25.530
  • And i believe that because we have accepted his calling, we-
  • 00:27:25.530 --> 00:27:30.202
  • - we have certain rights.
  • 00:27:30.769 --> 00:27:32.270
  • In genesis, god spoke and he came to be.
  • 00:27:33.138 --> 00:27:36.675
  • And because we have accept him as our lord and savior,
  • 00:27:36.675 --> 00:27:41.113
  • That power is in us.
  • 00:27:41.113 --> 00:27:43.448
  • We live it, we practice it each day.
  • 00:27:43.448 --> 00:27:46.451
  • And so at that time,
  • 00:27:46.451 --> 00:27:47.719
  • That's why i said it's not time to pray.
  • 00:27:47.719 --> 00:27:50.622
  • It's not time to ask. it's time to command.
  • 00:27:50.622 --> 00:27:53.258
  • 'cause god commanded and everything came
  • 00:27:53.258 --> 00:27:55.494
  • And he lives in me.
  • 00:27:55.961 --> 00:27:57.195
  • He made me in his image and he gave me power.
  • 00:27:57.195 --> 00:28:02.567
  • And when i went wrong, jesus came and shut his blood.
  • 00:28:03.568 --> 00:28:05.704
  • And he said it just finished with everything.
  • 00:28:05.704 --> 00:28:08.774
  • And he gave me, he gave me the power
  • 00:28:08.774 --> 00:28:12.911
  • To call upon his name.
  • 00:28:12.911 --> 00:28:14.946
  • And he says, when you mentioned my name,
  • 00:28:14.946 --> 00:28:17.249
  • I will do what you have asked.
  • 00:28:17.883 --> 00:28:20.118
  • So now it's up to me to call upon the name of the lord,
  • 00:28:20.118 --> 00:28:24.556
  • Call upon the power that has been given to me.
  • 00:28:24.556 --> 00:28:27.726
  • And that's what i did.
  • 00:28:27.726 --> 00:28:28.894
  • I command the angels to come
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  • And do what they're supposed to do.
  • 00:28:30.695 --> 00:28:32.798
  • - in the tragedy joseph, the midst of it,
  • 00:28:32.798 --> 00:28:37.435
  • Terror, screaming, the smell of gunpowder undoubtedly,
  • 00:28:38.503 --> 00:28:44.342
  • There you were hearing the name jesus,
  • 00:28:45.177 --> 00:28:49.114
  • Not only coming from your own mouth,
  • 00:28:49.114 --> 00:28:51.216
  • But others, there were some calling on the name of jesus.
  • 00:28:51.216 --> 00:28:55.086
  • You heard his name in the midst of that tragedy. yes?
  • 00:28:55.086 --> 00:28:58.390
  • - yeah, i think in a lot of tragic events,
  • 00:28:58.390 --> 00:29:02.360
  • People that are religious, people that aren't religious,
  • 00:29:02.360 --> 00:29:05.096
  • People that are atheists, muslim,
  • 00:29:05.096 --> 00:29:07.432
  • I think at the end of the day,
  • 00:29:07.432 --> 00:29:09.568
  • People always scream on jesus when the time is,
  • 00:29:09.568 --> 00:29:13.305
  • When you're in a situation where you need him.
  • 00:29:13.305 --> 00:29:15.841
  • And i think that is where jesus really comes through
  • 00:29:15.841 --> 00:29:19.377
  • For many individuals.
  • 00:29:19.377 --> 00:29:22.514
  • It's not that we're for say like the people
  • 00:29:22.514 --> 00:29:26.117
  • That are gone now.
  • 00:29:26.117 --> 00:29:27.752
  • It's not like i'm better than them or i'm smarter than them
  • 00:29:27.752 --> 00:29:29.788
  • Or i'm cooler than them
  • 00:29:29.788 --> 00:29:31.189
  • 'cause even one of the kids that tragically passed,
  • 00:29:31.189 --> 00:29:34.125
  • He took 16 aps in high school.
  • 00:29:34.125 --> 00:29:37.796
  • He didn't even take principles of economics.
  • 00:29:37.796 --> 00:29:40.632
  • He was there simply just to learn.
  • 00:29:40.632 --> 00:29:42.534
  • And he answered more questions than
  • 00:29:42.534 --> 00:29:44.603
  • Anybody else in the room.
  • 00:29:44.603 --> 00:29:46.071
  • He knew the content better than maybe 95% of the kids
  • 00:29:46.071 --> 00:29:49.708
  • Who even took the class.
  • 00:29:49.708 --> 00:29:51.309
  • So it's not that i'm smarter or i'm cooler
  • 00:29:51.309 --> 00:29:54.212
  • Or you know, maybe i'm more blessed in them
  • 00:29:54.212 --> 00:29:56.615
  • Or anything like that.
  • 00:29:56.615 --> 00:29:57.883
  • I think god really has his ways to,
  • 00:29:57.883 --> 00:30:01.052
  • You know, make decisions.
  • 00:30:01.052 --> 00:30:02.721
  • And we won't know these decisions until
  • 00:30:02.721 --> 00:30:06.258
  • We ultimately go up to god.
  • 00:30:06.258 --> 00:30:08.460
  • And you know, we're with him
  • 00:30:08.460 --> 00:30:09.995
  • And we can ask these questions to him ultimately.
  • 00:30:09.995 --> 00:30:13.531
  • But i think all we can really do is just, you know,
  • 00:30:13.531 --> 00:30:17.903
  • Continue to hold on to faith
  • 00:30:17.903 --> 00:30:19.337
  • And thank god for every situation that he puts us in
  • 00:30:19.337 --> 00:30:22.173
  • Because at the end of the day, all the trials
  • 00:30:22.173 --> 00:30:25.277
  • And tribulations that we go through,
  • 00:30:25.277 --> 00:30:27.312
  • We may not really see the reason, but god knows the reason.
  • 00:30:27.312 --> 00:30:30.815
  • And sometimes we pray for god to take us out
  • 00:30:30.815 --> 00:30:33.818
  • Of these situations.
  • 00:30:33.818 --> 00:30:35.186
  • But these hard times are what really makes the man.
  • 00:30:35.186 --> 00:30:38.023
  • And i think god is going to use the situation to
  • 00:30:38.023 --> 00:30:42.260
  • Build brown university or build rhode island
  • 00:30:42.260 --> 00:30:45.130
  • Or maybe build providence
  • 00:30:45.130 --> 00:30:46.531
  • Or united states overall into something
  • 00:30:46.531 --> 00:30:49.367
  • That he wants it to be.
  • 00:30:49.367 --> 00:30:50.902
  • And i don't know that right now, and maybe it's gonna be
  • 00:30:50.902 --> 00:30:54.839
  • After my lifetime, but i know god has
  • 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.342
  • A reason for everything.
  • 00:30:57.342 --> 00:30:58.376
  • And i'm holding onto faith
  • 00:30:58.376 --> 00:30:59.811
  • That it'll come to shove soon enough.
  • 00:30:59.811 --> 00:31:02.180
  • - and if i may add,
  • 00:31:02.647 --> 00:31:06.685
  • We are sorry for the loss.
  • 00:31:07.252 --> 00:31:09.220
  • And we've been praying for all those families from then,
  • 00:31:10.355 --> 00:31:14.092
  • I mean, when i was in the basement, i wasn't just praying
  • 00:31:14.092 --> 00:31:16.061
  • For him, i was praying for all the students
  • 00:31:16.061 --> 00:31:19.331
  • That were in that situation.
  • 00:31:19.331 --> 00:31:21.833
  • But we do not understand.
  • 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.002
  • We do not understand why some were saved and some are not.
  • 00:31:24.002 --> 00:31:27.973
  • But one thing i can say is this, as a parent,
  • 00:31:27.973 --> 00:31:31.343
  • And i encourage all parents to do this, you cannot be
  • 00:31:31.343 --> 00:31:34.346
  • With your children everywhere they go.
  • 00:31:34.346 --> 00:31:36.581
  • But you can do one thing, you have to pray for them.
  • 00:31:36.581 --> 00:31:40.885
  • And at midnight, when i'm praying,
  • 00:31:41.619 --> 00:31:45.056
  • When they're not home, i walk to their rooms.
  • 00:31:45.991 --> 00:31:48.893
  • I lay my hands on their pillows as a point of contact.
  • 00:31:48.893 --> 00:31:53.098
  • I lay my hands on their sheets as a point of contact,
  • 00:31:53.098 --> 00:31:56.768
  • And i pronounce shield of the power
  • 00:31:56.768 --> 00:31:59.938
  • Of the holy spirit upon them.
  • 00:31:59.938 --> 00:32:01.940
  • And i shield them
  • 00:32:01.940 --> 00:32:03.575
  • And i go from one room to another, cover them all.
  • 00:32:03.575 --> 00:32:06.845
  • So parents have an obligation to pray
  • 00:32:06.845 --> 00:32:09.948
  • For their children at all times,
  • 00:32:09.948 --> 00:32:12.817
  • Especially at this young age where they're more vulnerable.
  • 00:32:12.817 --> 00:32:18.056
  • I pray the wrong people out of his life as a god
  • 00:32:19.024 --> 00:32:21.393
  • Any person that will come
  • 00:32:21.393 --> 00:32:22.927
  • And not bring a good influence, i remove them from his path.
  • 00:32:22.927 --> 00:32:26.865
  • So the power of prayer is important
  • 00:32:26.865 --> 00:32:30.301
  • And parents need to exercise that authority
  • 00:32:30.301 --> 00:32:33.238
  • That god has given us
  • 00:32:33.238 --> 00:32:34.906
  • Because he can't be everywhere with them.
  • 00:32:35.807 --> 00:32:37.809
  • But the holy spirit can be with them everywhere they are.
  • 00:32:37.809 --> 00:32:41.579
  • And he does a much better job.
  • 00:32:42.213 --> 00:32:44.082
  • - tbn has been broadcasting on the air
  • 00:32:44.916 --> 00:32:49.721
  • For 53 years now,
  • 00:32:49.721 --> 00:32:52.057
  • And there was an old timer
  • 00:32:52.624 --> 00:32:55.827
  • Named paul billheimer.
  • 00:32:56.327 --> 00:32:57.996
  • He had written a book called "destined for the throne."
  • 00:32:57.996 --> 00:33:02.801
  • And in this book, he tried
  • 00:33:02.801 --> 00:33:06.738
  • To give some answer to the question
  • 00:33:06.738 --> 00:33:10.442
  • That you two were largely answering,
  • 00:33:10.442 --> 00:33:14.179
  • Why do bad things happen to good people?
  • 00:33:14.179 --> 00:33:16.181
  • Why do bad things happen to anybody?
  • 00:33:16.181 --> 00:33:18.650
  • You know, i believe the short answer is that
  • 00:33:19.551 --> 00:33:22.987
  • We're made in his image
  • 00:33:22.987 --> 00:33:25.056
  • And god gave us the power of reason.
  • 00:33:25.824 --> 00:33:29.060
  • That's the image part of what, you know, god may have a head
  • 00:33:29.060 --> 00:33:33.198
  • And a neck and eyes and nostrils.
  • 00:33:33.198 --> 00:33:35.433
  • He may, but i think the image that we are
  • 00:33:35.433 --> 00:33:38.136
  • Is that we are able to think, reason,
  • 00:33:38.136 --> 00:33:42.107
  • Think about something in the future,
  • 00:33:42.107 --> 00:33:45.410
  • And then the causation of our actions lead to an outcome.
  • 00:33:45.410 --> 00:33:49.881
  • I think that's the image that we have
  • 00:33:49.881 --> 00:33:53.017
  • And we're made in this image, but we're free moral agents
  • 00:33:54.185 --> 00:33:56.354
  • And bad things happen
  • 00:33:56.354 --> 00:33:58.389
  • Because someone believes a lie
  • 00:33:58.389 --> 00:34:00.558
  • Of the devil acts upon that as truth.
  • 00:34:00.558 --> 00:34:03.761
  • And look, god didn't pull a trigger
  • 00:34:04.496 --> 00:34:08.166
  • And the devil didn't pull a trigger,
  • 00:34:08.166 --> 00:34:10.168
  • A gunman pulled the trigger that believed that
  • 00:34:10.168 --> 00:34:14.038
  • That action was going to create some outcome
  • 00:34:14.038 --> 00:34:18.009
  • That he believed in or that he thought was, you know,
  • 00:34:18.009 --> 00:34:21.346
  • Now he may have just been completely crazy
  • 00:34:21.346 --> 00:34:26.217
  • And that's a possibility, but he believed in something
  • 00:34:26.217 --> 00:34:29.954
  • And that free moral agent person pulled that trigger.
  • 00:34:29.954 --> 00:34:33.658
  • And romans 8:28 is our answer immediate.
  • 00:34:33.658 --> 00:34:38.563
  • You know, god's gonna get some good out of it.
  • 00:34:38.563 --> 00:34:41.599
  • Like you said, maybe it's gonna change brown university,
  • 00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.269
  • Maybe it's gonna change the group of students
  • 00:34:44.269 --> 00:34:46.771
  • That you're, you know, with.
  • 00:34:46.771 --> 00:34:49.340
  • And by the way, interesting footnote,
  • 00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:53.077
  • You were literally leading the session on that sunday
  • 00:34:53.077 --> 00:34:58.349
  • As a 21-year-old kid.
  • 00:34:58.850 --> 00:35:00.285
  • Can you explain why you were 21
  • 00:35:00.285 --> 00:35:02.153
  • And leading a class at brown university?
  • 00:35:02.153 --> 00:35:04.789
  • How did that come to happen at such an early age?
  • 00:35:04.789 --> 00:35:08.426
  • - yeah, so i've been a ta for principles
  • 00:35:08.426 --> 00:35:11.029
  • Of economics since my sophomore year.
  • 00:35:11.029 --> 00:35:12.830
  • So i started leading these review sessions
  • 00:35:12.830 --> 00:35:15.200
  • When i was just about 19.
  • 00:35:15.200 --> 00:35:17.368
  • My dream has always to be a professor at brown university
  • 00:35:18.536 --> 00:35:22.707
  • And to ultimately teach a class pretty similar
  • 00:35:22.707 --> 00:35:26.377
  • To principles of economics.
  • 00:35:26.377 --> 00:35:27.946
  • And when i applied for the role
  • 00:35:27.946 --> 00:35:30.648
  • And i interviewed with the professor, it honestly felt like
  • 00:35:30.648 --> 00:35:35.253
  • This is something that is for me
  • 00:35:35.253 --> 00:35:37.589
  • And this is something that is gonna be part of my calling.
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  • And i've had numerous conversations with professor.
  • 00:35:40.625 --> 00:35:45.496
  • I've been watching her and i've been going to her lectures
  • 00:35:45.496 --> 00:35:49.701
  • And seeing the way that she teaches
  • 00:35:49.701 --> 00:35:51.302
  • And seeing the way that she inspires students to learn.
  • 00:35:51.302 --> 00:35:53.905
  • And i've always wanted to be that person
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  • For other students as well.
  • 00:35:57.075 --> 00:35:58.910
  • So i started leading these review sessions
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  • And i would host around four a semester
  • 00:36:02.180 --> 00:36:05.383
  • And i'd teach a section
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  • As well every single week, twice a week.
  • 00:36:06.951 --> 00:36:09.554
  • So i've been leading these review sessions
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  • And these sections all throughout the year.
  • 00:36:12.257 --> 00:36:15.994
  • And it's honestly been something that i really enjoy to do
  • 00:36:15.994 --> 00:36:18.696
  • And i hope i can continue to do even post graduating.
  • 00:36:18.696 --> 00:36:23.334
  • - so the back to paul billheimer, his book,
  • 00:36:24.269 --> 00:36:28.439
  • "destined for the throne," said something that has made
  • 00:36:28.439 --> 00:36:33.177
  • A lot of sense to me.
  • 00:36:33.177 --> 00:36:34.479
  • The premise is that life as we know it,
  • 00:36:34.479 --> 00:36:39.851
  • You know, today as we're sitting here in the studio,
  • 00:36:40.885 --> 00:36:43.021
  • We're having a discussion about trusting in tragedy.
  • 00:36:43.021 --> 00:36:47.425
  • Paul billheimer kind of made some sense.
  • 00:36:47.425 --> 00:36:52.730
  • He said, "we're never gonna know every answer for everything
  • 00:36:53.898 --> 00:36:58.303
  • Unless you stretch out and include eternity."
  • 00:36:59.237 --> 00:37:02.573
  • Because life is on the job training for eternity.
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  • The things that we learn when you go
  • 00:37:08.713 --> 00:37:10.114
  • Through a tragic event, a storm,
  • 00:37:10.114 --> 00:37:14.919
  • And you understand that jesus is in the storm with you,
  • 00:37:14.919 --> 00:37:20.191
  • You get through this.
  • 00:37:20.692 --> 00:37:22.794
  • And i think that is ultimately
  • 00:37:22.794 --> 00:37:27.465
  • Passing a test of some sort.
  • 00:37:28.032 --> 00:37:30.301
  • Life is a bunch of tests.
  • 00:37:30.868 --> 00:37:33.705
  • And, this is on the job training for eternity
  • 00:37:33.705 --> 00:37:36.240
  • According to paul billheimer and i've loved that
  • 00:37:36.240 --> 00:37:38.242
  • Paul billheimer was a colleague, a kind of like
  • 00:37:38.242 --> 00:37:41.779
  • The patriarch of tbn for many years back with my mom
  • 00:37:41.779 --> 00:37:47.051
  • And dad, paul and jan crouch.
  • 00:37:47.685 --> 00:37:49.721
  • And so bishop, the takeaway,
  • 00:37:49.721 --> 00:37:54.592
  • Let's say is prepare a child
  • 00:37:54.592 --> 00:37:59.497
  • In the way, train a child in the way
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  • They should go when they're old they want, apart from it,
  • 00:38:01.532 --> 00:38:04.736
  • Commanding certain things with the authority
  • 00:38:05.670 --> 00:38:09.474
  • Of the holy spirit and making situations line up
  • 00:38:09.474 --> 00:38:15.279
  • With the purpose of god for a child.
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  • You believed that
  • 00:38:20.385 --> 00:38:23.554
  • It was not joseph's purpose to die
  • 00:38:23.554 --> 00:38:26.991
  • In that classroom today.
  • 00:38:26.991 --> 00:38:28.793
  • So you declared that, that was a declarative prayer.
  • 00:38:28.793 --> 00:38:33.698
  • Angels of the lord will protect
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  • Because i have that authority in christ.
  • 00:38:36.234 --> 00:38:41.939
  • I believe our audience largely understands that.
  • 00:38:42.940 --> 00:38:46.711
  • I believe that is something
  • 00:38:46.711 --> 00:38:50.281
  • That should be a principle of understanding that
  • 00:38:50.281 --> 00:38:54.786
  • Look, the idea that we go through storms is a reality.
  • 00:38:55.853 --> 00:39:01.058
  • Jesus himself said, in this life you'll have tribulation,
  • 00:39:02.226 --> 00:39:05.930
  • But be of good cheer.
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  • I have overcome the world.
  • 00:39:07.398 --> 00:39:09.300
  • So you're in the room, did you hear anybody calling out
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  • To any other name but jesus?
  • 00:39:14.705 --> 00:39:17.041
  • I think you've already answered that some,
  • 00:39:17.041 --> 00:39:19.911
  • I don't think anyone was calling out to buddha.
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  • Or i don't think anyone was calling out to allah.
  • 00:39:22.814 --> 00:39:25.183
  • I don't think there was anybody calling out.
  • 00:39:25.183 --> 00:39:27.485
  • But you heard the name of jesus in the mouths
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  • Of some of those students that were even wounded,
  • 00:39:30.721 --> 00:39:34.158
  • That were in this horrible situation.
  • 00:39:34.158 --> 00:39:39.597
  • Joseph, what, you know, what's your takeaway?
  • 00:39:40.565 --> 00:39:45.837
  • What's your statement?
  • 00:39:46.337 --> 00:39:47.605
  • You're only past this a couple of months
  • 00:39:47.605 --> 00:39:49.407
  • As we're taping this.
  • 00:39:49.407 --> 00:39:51.843
  • You've just had a birthday, you're now 22.
  • 00:39:52.710 --> 00:39:55.746
  • He's still a kid, right, dad?
  • 00:39:55.746 --> 00:39:57.415
  • Yeah, he's still a kid.
  • 00:39:57.415 --> 00:39:58.449
  • - yeah. still my boy. - yeah.
  • 00:39:58.449 --> 00:40:00.985
  • And what do you,
  • 00:40:00.985 --> 00:40:04.589
  • You're gonna process this for the rest of your life,
  • 00:40:05.656 --> 00:40:09.093
  • But what has that process given you
  • 00:40:09.093 --> 00:40:13.931
  • Today for our audience that might still be going
  • 00:40:13.931 --> 00:40:18.336
  • Through some tragedy or something?
  • 00:40:18.336 --> 00:40:20.137
  • What is your takeaway of why you,
  • 00:40:20.137 --> 00:40:24.242
  • Why there, why then?
  • 00:40:24.242 --> 00:40:26.310
  • - faith, i think throughout my life i've been in
  • 00:40:26.310 --> 00:40:30.581
  • So many experiences
  • 00:40:30.581 --> 00:40:32.116
  • That i genuinely never thought i'd make it out of.
  • 00:40:32.116 --> 00:40:35.887
  • After i tore my acl, i never thought i would ever be able
  • 00:40:35.887 --> 00:40:39.223
  • To walk again or ever be able to jump again.
  • 00:40:39.223 --> 00:40:41.325
  • And even before that,
  • 00:40:41.325 --> 00:40:42.927
  • After i lost my grandpa, i never thought i'd be able
  • 00:40:42.927 --> 00:40:45.630
  • To find a man who truly loved
  • 00:40:45.630 --> 00:40:49.534
  • Every single aspect of me
  • 00:40:49.534 --> 00:40:51.602
  • And wants me to be better every single day
  • 00:40:51.602 --> 00:40:54.305
  • And every single experience that i've had,
  • 00:40:54.305 --> 00:40:57.575
  • I've always held true to faith
  • 00:40:57.575 --> 00:41:00.278
  • And that things will always get better in god's timing.
  • 00:41:00.278 --> 00:41:04.248
  • And it just happens that every single time it does.
  • 00:41:04.248 --> 00:41:08.352
  • And sometimes it takes seconds, sometimes it takes minutes,
  • 00:41:08.352 --> 00:41:13.724
  • Sometimes it takes hours and sometimes it even takes years.
  • 00:41:14.859 --> 00:41:17.461
  • For example, when i was younger,
  • 00:41:17.461 --> 00:41:21.098
  • I went to ghana in 2012
  • 00:41:21.098 --> 00:41:23.968
  • And i was running down a mountain that i wasn't supposed to
  • 00:41:23.968 --> 00:41:27.939
  • And i fell down and i scraped my knee in.
  • 00:41:27.939 --> 00:41:30.708
  • I thought i was, i was in so much pain,
  • 00:41:30.708 --> 00:41:33.177
  • I actually thought i would never walk again dramatically.
  • 00:41:33.177 --> 00:41:36.614
  • And two days later i was just fine.
  • 00:41:36.614 --> 00:41:39.917
  • And maybe there could be a two day
  • 00:41:39.917 --> 00:41:41.819
  • Turnaround, something like that.
  • 00:41:41.819 --> 00:41:43.721
  • Or it could be something that takes years.
  • 00:41:43.721 --> 00:41:45.590
  • Like when i tore my acl, it took me 11 months
  • 00:41:45.590 --> 00:41:48.826
  • To compete once again.
  • 00:41:48.826 --> 00:41:50.695
  • Or maybe it could be something that like this,
  • 00:41:50.695 --> 00:41:52.697
  • That maybe it takes, maybe it takes the rest of my life,
  • 00:41:52.697 --> 00:41:55.800
  • Maybe it takes three months, maybe it takes a couple years
  • 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.370
  • To really wrap my head around everything that went through
  • 00:41:59.370 --> 00:42:03.574
  • That experience.
  • 00:42:03.574 --> 00:42:04.909
  • But one thing that i know
  • 00:42:04.909 --> 00:42:06.677
  • For certain is god will make a way when there
  • 00:42:06.677 --> 00:42:09.614
  • Seems to be no way.
  • 00:42:09.614 --> 00:42:11.115
  • And i just need to continue to wait and believe on him
  • 00:42:11.115 --> 00:42:14.018
  • And things are gonna work out because he cares
  • 00:42:14.018 --> 00:42:18.289
  • And he wants me to learn something from this lesson.
  • 00:42:18.289 --> 00:42:22.660
  • And ultimately i just need to learn
  • 00:42:22.660 --> 00:42:24.895
  • And come to realize
  • 00:42:24.895 --> 00:42:26.230
  • What is this lesson he's teaching me right now
  • 00:42:26.230 --> 00:42:28.432
  • And how i'm gonna become a better man from this.
  • 00:42:28.432 --> 00:42:32.570
  • - dad what's your takeaway,
  • 00:42:33.170 --> 00:42:38.409
  • What is your processing of this whole thing done
  • 00:42:39.377 --> 00:42:42.880
  • For you in the last, just in the last few months here?
  • 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:47.418
  • - once again, what took place was
  • 00:42:48.152 --> 00:42:53.391
  • Planned by the evil one.
  • 00:42:53.891 --> 00:42:55.526
  • And because of that, people have lost their lives.
  • 00:42:56.560 --> 00:42:59.764
  • And we are sincerely sorry for their loss
  • 00:42:59.764 --> 00:43:03.701
  • To the families, to their friends,
  • 00:43:03.701 --> 00:43:06.637
  • And to extended people.
  • 00:43:06.637 --> 00:43:10.675
  • But the takeaway for me is to continue to depend
  • 00:43:11.642 --> 00:43:16.280
  • And rely on god.
  • 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:17.915
  • I don't have the ability to be everywhere my children are.
  • 00:43:19.083 --> 00:43:23.020
  • Even yesterday, the lord said,
  • 00:43:23.020 --> 00:43:27.525
  • I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end.
  • 00:43:28.659 --> 00:43:33.230
  • Whosoever who lies on me
  • 00:43:33.230 --> 00:43:37.301
  • Will never fail.
  • 00:43:37.668 --> 00:43:39.870
  • And he gave me two scriptures.
  • 00:43:40.504 --> 00:43:42.606
  • Revelation 1:8 and revelation 21:6.
  • 00:43:43.340 --> 00:43:49.313
  • So the lord, we need to
  • 00:43:49.847 --> 00:43:53.851
  • Depend on him, will allow him,
  • 00:43:53.851 --> 00:43:55.720
  • He's a father, he's our shepherd.
  • 00:43:55.720 --> 00:43:59.290
  • I do not lack because god is my shepherd.
  • 00:43:59.290 --> 00:44:03.494
  • I do not lack because he's my bana
  • 00:44:03.494 --> 00:44:06.097
  • And rely on him, depend on him.
  • 00:44:06.764 --> 00:44:09.767
  • And the more we rely on him
  • 00:44:09.767 --> 00:44:11.035
  • And depend on him, all these things will
  • 00:44:11.035 --> 00:44:13.704
  • Work for his own good.
  • 00:44:13.704 --> 00:44:15.439
  • I'm not the boss of me. god is in control of me.
  • 00:44:16.407 --> 00:44:20.845
  • My job is to be obedient. my job is to follow him.
  • 00:44:20.845 --> 00:44:24.582
  • Now he has given us a free way.
  • 00:44:24.582 --> 00:44:26.050
  • So sometimes we become don't want to follow,
  • 00:44:26.050 --> 00:44:30.521
  • But we still have to comply
  • 00:44:30.521 --> 00:44:32.890
  • Because i don't even know what's gonna
  • 00:44:32.890 --> 00:44:34.925
  • Happen one hour from now.
  • 00:44:34.925 --> 00:44:37.027
  • He knows next week, he knows next year, 10 years from now,
  • 00:44:37.027 --> 00:44:41.298
  • He knows all things.
  • 00:44:41.298 --> 00:44:42.933
  • So why am i trying to figure things out
  • 00:44:42.933 --> 00:44:45.836
  • For myself when i can't even tell what's gonna happen
  • 00:44:46.837 --> 00:44:49.673
  • An hour from now and therefore i must rely on him.
  • 00:44:49.673 --> 00:44:54.245
  • I must depend on him,
  • 00:44:54.245 --> 00:44:56.046
  • And i must continue to trust him
  • 00:44:56.680 --> 00:44:58.315
  • That he will bring everything for his own glory.
  • 00:44:58.315 --> 00:45:03.587
  • I'm just the tool.
  • 00:45:04.021 --> 00:45:06.023
  • He is my shepherd and i'll allow him.
  • 00:45:06.857 --> 00:45:12.196
  • So that's my takeaway.
  • 00:45:12.696 --> 00:45:15.032
  • This gives me the confidence to continue to trust him more
  • 00:45:15.032 --> 00:45:18.636
  • And more and more each day.
  • 00:45:18.636 --> 00:45:24.675
  • - joseph, you've done something that
  • 00:45:25.442 --> 00:45:28.546
  • I'm gonna largely say 99.999%
  • 00:45:29.180 --> 00:45:32.983
  • Of the people viewing this have been to,
  • 00:45:32.983 --> 00:45:36.587
  • You basically looked into a man
  • 00:45:36.587 --> 00:45:40.825
  • And down the barrel of a gun.
  • 00:45:41.458 --> 00:45:43.694
  • And you're sitting here today
  • 00:45:44.328 --> 00:45:48.532
  • Unscathed from that situation,
  • 00:45:49.166 --> 00:45:52.703
  • International news story, brown university.
  • 00:45:52.703 --> 00:45:57.608
  • The man was intent on murder that day
  • 00:45:58.409 --> 00:46:03.180
  • And even a few days later,
  • 00:46:03.180 --> 00:46:05.549
  • And then apparently took his own life.
  • 00:46:05.549 --> 00:46:08.485
  • And it feels like you,
  • 00:46:08.485 --> 00:46:13.824
  • You know, should have the final word is what is kind of
  • 00:46:14.959 --> 00:46:17.428
  • What i'm saying because you know, you're 22, i'm 63.
  • 00:46:17.428 --> 00:46:25.236
  • How old are you, dad?
  • 00:46:25.736 --> 00:46:27.304
  • - 62.
  • 00:46:27.304 --> 00:46:28.239
  • - so i'm the oldest here. great.
  • 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:29.940
  • And it feels like you at a young age were given, you know,
  • 00:46:31.108 --> 00:46:37.681
  • A responsibility because you were the one there.
  • 00:46:38.649 --> 00:46:43.087
  • You know, you, for some reason,
  • 00:46:43.087 --> 00:46:47.725
  • I'm gonna say as much as dad, it's hard to understand,
  • 00:46:47.725 --> 00:46:52.229
  • But you know, you were at the right place at the right time.
  • 00:46:52.229 --> 00:46:55.666
  • God had someone that he knew he was gonna be able
  • 00:46:55.666 --> 00:46:58.769
  • To protect, to bring some help
  • 00:46:58.769 --> 00:47:03.207
  • To the chaos and praying for other students.
  • 00:47:03.207 --> 00:47:06.610
  • And you're still in touch with a bunch of the people
  • 00:47:06.610 --> 00:47:09.813
  • That were in that room.
  • 00:47:09.813 --> 00:47:10.981
  • And there's this group of young people
  • 00:47:10.981 --> 00:47:15.286
  • That will never be the same
  • 00:47:15.286 --> 00:47:17.788
  • And that you can have great influence in and through.
  • 00:47:17.788 --> 00:47:22.393
  • So really the final word is yours.
  • 00:47:22.393 --> 00:47:25.062
  • I've never stared down the barrel of a gun.
  • 00:47:25.062 --> 00:47:27.231
  • That's never happened to me.
  • 00:47:27.231 --> 00:47:29.300
  • And you've faced that moment
  • 00:47:29.300 --> 00:47:34.238
  • And you're here, you're upright.
  • 00:47:34.238 --> 00:47:36.707
  • I've seen you smile a couple of times you know.
  • 00:47:36.707 --> 00:47:39.810
  • There's, you know, you've testified to the lord
  • 00:47:39.810 --> 00:47:43.847
  • Being with you and being there
  • 00:47:43.847 --> 00:47:46.317
  • Even in the midst of that crazy storm.
  • 00:47:46.317 --> 00:47:49.653
  • Final thoughts, final words here, son.
  • 00:47:49.653 --> 00:47:52.423
  • - i was watching something the other day
  • 00:47:53.257 --> 00:47:55.025
  • And it mentioned the fact that
  • 00:47:55.025 --> 00:47:58.295
  • If the devil's not touching you
  • 00:47:58.295 --> 00:48:00.564
  • Or bothering you, then he already has you
  • 00:48:00.564 --> 00:48:03.133
  • And you're on the wrong track.
  • 00:48:03.133 --> 00:48:05.002
  • If you are doing something
  • 00:48:05.002 --> 00:48:06.904
  • And you're constantly, you know, going through a hard time
  • 00:48:06.904 --> 00:48:10.808
  • Or you feel like the devil is constantly throwing obstacles
  • 00:48:10.808 --> 00:48:15.112
  • At you, it's because you're doing the right thing,
  • 00:48:15.112 --> 00:48:18.015
  • You're on the right track.
  • 00:48:18.015 --> 00:48:19.316
  • And that's something i firmly believe in.
  • 00:48:19.316 --> 00:48:22.219
  • I think everything happens for a reason.
  • 00:48:22.219 --> 00:48:24.922
  • And i honestly believe that there's no such thing
  • 00:48:24.922 --> 00:48:28.192
  • As a painless lesson.
  • 00:48:28.192 --> 00:48:29.927
  • Everything that you go through,
  • 00:48:29.927 --> 00:48:31.395
  • We pray for so many different things,
  • 00:48:31.395 --> 00:48:33.230
  • But in order to get the things that we're praying for,
  • 00:48:33.230 --> 00:48:36.600
  • We have to go through certain trials
  • 00:48:36.600 --> 00:48:38.535
  • And tribulations so we can grow
  • 00:48:38.535 --> 00:48:40.604
  • And become the person that we want to be.
  • 00:48:40.604 --> 00:48:43.340
  • Every single person's gonna have high goals,
  • 00:48:43.340 --> 00:48:45.843
  • High aspirations in life,
  • 00:48:45.843 --> 00:48:47.444
  • And everybody's gonna want to hit certain levels
  • 00:48:47.444 --> 00:48:52.082
  • And accumulate certain amount of things
  • 00:48:52.082 --> 00:48:55.419
  • And, you know, reach certain accomplishments that they want.
  • 00:48:55.419 --> 00:48:58.255
  • But in order to get to the status that you want,
  • 00:48:58.255 --> 00:49:01.225
  • In order to get to the goals
  • 00:49:01.225 --> 00:49:03.260
  • And your aspirations, you're gonna have
  • 00:49:03.260 --> 00:49:05.229
  • To go through something.
  • 00:49:05.229 --> 00:49:06.630
  • And i think a lot of the times we fear going through
  • 00:49:06.630 --> 00:49:09.867
  • That thing, but sometimes we have to stay in that moment
  • 00:49:09.867 --> 00:49:13.771
  • And really go through the moments
  • 00:49:13.771 --> 00:49:15.339
  • And go through these emotions in order to get elevated
  • 00:49:15.339 --> 00:49:20.044
  • To the level god has in mind for you.
  • 00:49:20.044 --> 00:49:22.212
  • And even if you're going through a hard time right now,
  • 00:49:22.212 --> 00:49:25.149
  • Just continue to believe
  • 00:49:25.149 --> 00:49:26.650
  • And have faith that god is working behind the scenes.
  • 00:49:26.650 --> 00:49:29.586
  • You don't necessarily have
  • 00:49:29.586 --> 00:49:30.921
  • To know what's going on behind the scenes.
  • 00:49:30.921 --> 00:49:32.956
  • You don't necessarily need to have full control
  • 00:49:32.956 --> 00:49:35.626
  • Because you have to let god, you have to give god
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  • The wheel and you just sit back
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  • And you enjoy the boat ride.
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  • I think so many times in life we have faith that,
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  • And we trust the chef to make our food correctly
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  • And we trust our dentist to be able to fix our teeth.
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  • We trust that when we go to the hospital,
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  • The doctor can help us.
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  • And we trust that, you know, the crosswalks is correct
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  • And it's red light
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  • For the other side and it's green light for us.
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  • We trust so many different factors,
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  • But we have such a hard time trusting in god
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  • And ultimately have that same trust you have in your chef
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  • To make your medium well steak, the way you want it
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  • To have that same trust in god
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  • And things will work out for you because he cares for you.
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  • He loves you and ultimately he has no
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  • Intentions to ever hurt you.
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  • - amen, do you believe that
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  • You were supposed to be in that room at that time?
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  • - as hard as it sounds,
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  • And even though i would do
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  • So many things to go back to that very moment
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  • And maybe call out sick
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  • Or maybe act like i can't make this responsibility
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  • At the end of the day, i truly believe that i was meant
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  • To be in that room at that time, at that day.
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  • And even though i don't necessarily know right now what
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  • That is gonna unfold into, i completely am letting go
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  • And i'm just letting god do god.
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  • - well, if your dad gets his ways,
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  • You're going to go from, you know,
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  • What you're doing in economics and headed the wall street
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  • And new york and all that,
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  • But still maintain your profit status.
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  • Is that right dad?
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  • - i'm praying and counting on it.
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  • - well prophesy into the economics of the world
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  • And let's see a, let's see god do something
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  • That we could never expect.
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  • Bishop, why don't you end in prayer
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  • If you would please, sir.
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  • There's some people, there's some parents they're concerned
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  • About their kids, there's, you know,
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  • Many times people are concerned about many things.
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  • We're talking about trust and tragedy,
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  • But there are many different kinds of tragedy,
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  • A bad diagnosis, a failed relationship.
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  • There's so many things that could be going wrong.
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  • Just pray for our audience
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  • And seal this testimony
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  • That god can be in the most crazy situation
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  • That you feel like you're going through.
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  • God can, you can know that god can be
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  • With you in the midst of the storm.
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  • Maybe it's not gonna be a gunman bursting in unexpectedly
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  • Firing and killing people around you trying to shoot you.
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  • Those bullets missing you
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  • And hitting the chalkboard behind you.
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  • But there are many other kind of tragedies going on
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  • And people are hurting.
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  • And this story are intention was
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  • To elevate people's trust inside of tragedy.
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  • If you would just end in prayer,
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  • That would be great pastor, thank you.
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  • - amen. thank you for this privilege.
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  • I want you to know that you can trust and rely on god.
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  • He loves you. he cares for you.
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  • He made you in his image.
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  • And as any good father, any good parent is willing
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  • To give to your children.
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  • He's yawing to love you more
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  • And care for you and cherish you.
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  • All you have to do today is surrender to him,
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  • Surrender your will to him and let him be god in your life.
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  • And if you do that, i believe god will shield you
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  • And protect you and make a room
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  • For you when he comes back for us.
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  • That's my prayer for you. let us pray at this time.
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  • Father god, in the name of jesus, we give you the glory,
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  • We give you the honor, we give you the praise.
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  • We know that what took place in brown university
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  • Has brought a lot of pain to many people.
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  • And we pray that you comfort each one of them.
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  • We pray that your will be done on that university campus.
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  • I pray for all the faculty members,
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  • I pray for all the students,
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  • I pray for all the workers at brown university
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  • And any other university, any other institution in america.
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  • Let your will be done oh god,
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  • In the name of jesus, we trust in you.
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  • We will lie on you. my lord, my god.
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  • Let your angels carry each person in their hands
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  • That your foot shall not strike a stone.
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  • I thank you oh lord, for being who you are.
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  • Thank you oh lord for being our father.
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  • Thank you oh lord,
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  • For bringing your divine protection upon each one of us.
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  • We are grateful.
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  • We are thankful for meeting all our needs.
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  • You are lord, and you are god.
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  • Continue to comfort those who are mourning.
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  • Continue to bring the healing
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  • Onto all those that are hurting.
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  • Continue oh lord, to bring your peace
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  • Unto all your children.
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  • We are grateful for your love.
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  • We are grateful for your grace and mercy.
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  • We honor you in jesus mighty name we pray. amen.
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  • - amen. - amen.
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  • - beautiful. wow.
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  • We'll see you next time. bye-bye.
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