Keenan Clark: God Calls THIS Version of You | Praise

October 22, 2025 | 53:57

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Praise | Keenan Clark: God Calls THIS Version of You | Praise | October 22, 2025
  • Male announcer: coming up tonight on "praise."
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  • Keenan clark: the greatest threat to our church is not that
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  • Which is without, but that which is within.
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  • And when this pulpit, this sacred desk has verses it will
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  • And will not preach, we are in trouble.
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  • I'm tired of preaching sermons, telling you what to believe and
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  • Not telling you why you ought to believe it.
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  • Keenan clark: i would say this, if you feel a tug from god, god
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  • Intends to use the version of you he calls.
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  • So when god calls, he's aware of what stage of life you're in.
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  • That 14-year-old boy went through arguably hell on earth
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  • Following this messiah.
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  • He says i've got to write this man's revelation now.
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  • And man, that's what i'm fighting for.
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  • I'm fighting for some 14-year-old johns out there who,
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  • Yes, you're 14, and all you can see is just taking on daddy's
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  • Business, but man, there's, there's more the master has
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  • For you.
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  • Announcer: tonight on "praise from dallas,"
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  • Pastor, author, and leadership expert, keenan clark.
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  • And now your host matt and laurie crouch.
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  • Matt crouch: brother keenan, we have lots of ways we could
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  • Introduce you, but i think that it's just super-obvious you're a
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  • Young guy, and you love jesus.
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  • Keenan: without a doubt.
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  • Matt: and you go around, and you're an evangelist and you do
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  • Things, so where do you wanna start this particular
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  • Interview today?
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  • Introduce yourself and what you do and why you do it.
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  • Keenan: yeah, my name's keenan, and i'm on fire for the things
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  • Of god.
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  • I'm on fire for the gospel of jesus christ.
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  • I believe, you know, i could have gone to school and gotten a
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  • Degree in this, that, the other, but anything less than giving my
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  • Life for the proclamation of the gospel of jesus christ, i feel
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  • Like would be an utter waste.
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  • I feel like i have the highest calling on planet earth, to be a
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  • Herald and a proclaimer, a preacher of the gospel of
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  • Jesus christ.
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  • And that's what i do.
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  • I travel full time all over the nation, preaching at various
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  • Events, conferences, church services, revival meetings.
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  • It's kind of wild some of the places we end up finding
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  • Ourselves, but jesus is doing an incredible work.
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  • I know globally but specific even here locally, nationally,
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  • Jesus is doing something very special, and i'm thankful to get
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  • To be a small part.
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  • You know, the bible says god places members in the body as it
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  • Pleases him, and i'm thankful he found it pleasing to place
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  • Me here.
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  • And i'm just a big believer that right now we need to trust in a
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  • Sovereign god, that i believe in a sovereign god who has a
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  • Sovereign plan, that the things that catch us by surprise do not
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  • Catch him by surprise, that what god is doing in the earth, he's
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  • Not one day ahead of us, he's not like a youtube video, just
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  • Slightly buffering, figuring things out, that he has a
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  • Master plan.
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  • And i'm thankful to get to watch that play out.
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  • And years ago i felt like the holy spirit told me, keenan, i
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  • Have a place for you, but you've got to take your place.
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  • You gotta take me at your word-- at my word, and you gotta stand
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  • Up and stand in the gap that will be empty unless you take
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  • That spot and be a watchman on the wall, a herald of the
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  • Gospel, and let my people know what i've done for them.
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  • And so that's what i've given my life to.
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  • Keenan: i'm not calling you to live for jesus.
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  • Listen to me.
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  • We've had enough messages calling you to live for jesus.
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  • I think you won't have a problem living for him when you become
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  • Ready to die for him.
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  • Like, we have used little kid gloves on y'all for too long.
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  • This is a call not to just live, but to be ready. i'm not talking to die to your flesh.
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  • Of course you're called to do that.
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  • I'm saying you are literally ready to be martyred for the
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  • Cause of christ.
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  • And listen to me, with every eye open and with everyone looking
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  • Around, if you are ready to say, god, i'm ready to go deeper,
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  • God, i'm convinced.
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  • I want you to flood to this altar, and i'm gonna believe
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  • God's gonna touch you in a profound way to where you leave,
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  • Beyond a shadow of a doubt you have seen the king of glory,
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  • He's placed his coal upon your lips, he's clinched you, he's
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  • Redeemed you, he's forgiven you, he has set you apart, you are a
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  • Holy nation of royal priesthood.
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  • Matt: you know, young people are in the spotlight right now.
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  • There's a lot going on nationally.
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  • It is obvious that this assassination of charlie kirk
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  • Did something to this nation.
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  • It did something to the world, and so there is a spotlight on
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  • People that look like you, not me, okay?
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  • When you have chocolate brown hair and no wrinkles, and i have
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  • Gray hair and a lot of wrinkles, there's a spotlight on your
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  • Generation, there's a spotlight on the fact that distribution is
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  • Basically available to any voice for jesus that there is.
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  • There is a complete access.
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  • The gospel can go out at any time, anywhere.
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  • Social media is the greatest thing that's ever happened
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  • To evangelism.
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  • You know, the internet, sure, has problems.
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  • Sure there's a lot of things you can complain about in regard to
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  • The internet, but i see it.
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  • Laurie crouch: so does tv.
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  • Matt: of course, but i see the internet as basically a system
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  • That got built to virtually every device on planet earth,
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  • Big, little devices.
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  • And used correctly, technology is neutral.
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  • My mom and dad had to figure that out, you know?
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  • At some point my mom and dad's mom and dad told them tv was
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  • Evil, and my dad had to say, mom and dad, you're, you
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  • Know, largely--
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  • Laurie: or movies.
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  • Matt: yeah, movies and tv were evil, and you know, you're
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  • Sincere but you're sincerely wrong.
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  • Keenan: right.
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  • Matt: everything like this is neutral.
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  • It's the intention of the person using it that makes it a force
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  • For good or evil.
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  • Keenan: right.
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  • Matt: so i love the fact that there is a youth thing.
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  • You largely got thrust into it in a very weird way.
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  • We wanna know kind of where you are, what your message to the
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  • Youth is.
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  • We wanna know what your message to all of us is.
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  • We want the youth to rise.
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  • We wanna see a global thing happen and organize, and we
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  • Wanna see it last for generations that changes the
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  • Course of human history.
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  • That's what we want to happen right here, right now in 2025
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  • And beyond.
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  • All right, you largely got thrust into this in a very
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  • Weird way.
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  • Kind of why don't you start at the very beginning and just kind
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  • Of walk us through some things?
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  • Keenan: yeah, so i have been preaching for the last 12 years.
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  • I know i don't probably look old enough to have been preaching
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  • For that long, but i actually have been preaching, traveling,
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  • Itinerant, and then i was on staff.
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  • My mom and dad are in ministry.
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  • They pastor a church in west texas.
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  • But i've been using social media for a number of years, and god
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  • Has just been opening doors.
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  • God is in his sovereignty has just decided to bless that.
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  • Back in 2022, god just began to to open door after door
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  • After door.
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  • There's a whole backstory even to why i believe that god is
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  • Trusting us with the online reach that he even is, which we
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  • May be able to get into later on the program.
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  • But within the last year and a half, to kind of get at what i
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  • Think you're asking me about, turning point usa began to reach
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  • Out to me and invite me to several events.
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  • Like i said, we're traveling, we're very busy, and not always
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  • Could we get our schedules to align.
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  • I was trying to make it to where we could get over there, and we
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  • Just--we could never get our schedules to line up.
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  • But then finally they reached out and they said, hey, we're
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  • Gonna have this pastor summit in los angeles, california.
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  • We're getting 700, 800 pastors in one place, and we want you to
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  • Come and preach to them.
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  • We're gonna give you 20 minutes just to like light them up, and
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  • I was like, okay, say less.
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  • And so they gave me just free reign to kind of preach whatever
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  • Was on my heart.
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  • I mean, that's a lot of trust to give to somebody when you have a
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  • Platform like that.
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  • And they say we just trust the holy spirit and you just let
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  • Him--tell them what god's telling you.
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  • And so, i remember i began to pray, and i began to seek the
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  • Lord and i'm like, lord, what is it that you--number one that
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  • You wanna say in general, but that you wanna say to
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  • These pastors?
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  • Because i love ministers.
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  • Number one, of course i wanna care for those who are caring
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  • For the body of christ, but i also recognize their life
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  • Represents so many lives.
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  • Like, they have a window to preach to people i may never
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  • Have a window to preach to, to reach people that probably would
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  • Never even like listening to somebody like me.
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  • And that is the beauty of how eclectic and diverse, the body
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  • Of christ is.
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  • So i remember i just began to pray, lord, what do you want
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  • These--and i had this in my head, these shepherds to hear?
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  • And as i began to pray into it, this passage of scripture kept
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  • Coming up in my spirit over and over, and the bible says this,
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  • Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter.
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  • And at first, i began to think, okay, what the enemy is trying
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  • To do is he's trying to discredit who jesus christ is,
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  • Because jesus christ is the over-shepherd, right?
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  • That's what peter tells us in 1 peter, christ is the over
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  • Shepherd, he's the main shepherd, he is the good
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  • Shepherd, and so if the enemy can try to get you to distrust
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  • And even maybe plant some seeds of doubt in who this good
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  • Shepherd is, it will cause you as a sheep to want to scatter.
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  • So there's been this big thing in me that has been i've been
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  • Going around the country defending the divinity of
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  • Christ, even from an apologetic standpoint.
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  • I don't consider myself an apologist, i'm not an expert in
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  • Apologetics, but i've been doing the best i can to defend the
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  • Divinity of christ and really even call the church of jesus
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  • Christ back, particularly my generation, to not just this
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  • Mind-numbing church attendance, but to really understand
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  • Doctrine and not just to tell them what to believe, but tell
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  • Them here's why we believe these things, not just give you words
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  • To regurgitate so you can tell everybody why you're a good
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  • Little christian, but here's what i stand on, here's what i
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  • Believe, these are my core tenets.
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  • But then the message really began to evolve in my heart, and
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  • The lord began to help me see that it was pastors, those
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  • Shepherds, there's the over-shepherd and the
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  • Under-shepherds, and the enemy is after these shepherds of
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  • These bodies, and if he can compromise a shepherd, if he can
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  • Get a shepherd to cower and not want to preach the whole council
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  • Of the word of god, to pick and choose what will or will not fly
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  • Behind his pulpit, what books of those 66 in that collection that
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  • He will or will not adhere to, what's a metaphor, and what's
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  • Actually literal, and begin to try to, you know, discredit what
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  • Has been taught as solid doctrine for so long.
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  • If the enemy can do that, it's only a matter of time before he
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  • Has the whole flock right where he wants 'em.
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  • And so i was sharing these things with my wife, and she was
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  • Like i think that's for turning point.
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  • Like, you need to go to all those pastors at turning point
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  • And preach that.
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  • And so i'm like, okay, and if my--i have been saved by the
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  • Blood of jesus, and i'm being sanctified by the work of the
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  • Holy spirit and beth clark.
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  • Matt: got it.
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  • Keenan: she is helping me grow, and so when my wife was like i
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  • Really feel like that's what the lord has for this los angeles
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  • Event with turning point.
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  • This was gonna be in august of 2025.
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  • And so i remember i went, i preached it, and it was an
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  • Incredible response watching pastors get lit up.
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  • I really--i went to jeremiah 36, and i called pastors back to
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  • Their fidelity to the word of god.
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  • Because in jeremiah 36, you see king jehoiakim, he takes his
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  • Knife, and he's off in his winter palace, and he's cutting
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  • The scroll and kind of choosing what parts of the word of god
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  • He's gonna adhere to and discarding the rest of it in a
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  • Fire right there.
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  • And god does not have very nice things to say to jehoiakim.
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  • Like literally god says, "jehoiakim, i saw what you did,
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  • And i'm coming for you."
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  • He literally says your body will be thrown out to the heat of the
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  • Day and the frost by night.
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  • There will be no one from your lineage to sit on the throne
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  • Of david.
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  • And then if you read daniel chapter 1 and verse 1, it says
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  • That in the third year of the reign of king jehoiakim,
  • 00:12:45.554 --> 00:12:49.525
  • Nebuchadnezzar besieges jerusalem.
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  • That whole moment where daniel, shadrack, meshach, and abednego
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  • Are led into the captivity captivity of babylon, it was
  • 00:12:55.331 --> 00:12:58.934
  • Because jehoiakim disrespected the word of god.
  • 00:12:58.934 --> 00:13:02.872
  • So god in his sovereignty allows nebuchadnezzar to take hold of
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  • That land.
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  • And i just wanted to call pastors back and say over our
  • 00:13:08.444 --> 00:13:10.112
  • Dead bodies.
  • 00:13:10.112 --> 00:13:11.447
  • Over our dead bodies.
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  • Are we gonna allow the devil to think he has this generation, to
  • 00:13:12.815 --> 00:13:15.885
  • Think he owns this generation, to think he's got the corner on
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  • This generation?
  • 00:13:18.687 --> 00:13:20.055
  • No, this generation was built for the things of god.
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  • They are made not in the image of satan, they're made in the
  • 00:13:22.691 --> 00:13:25.461
  • Image of yahweh god, and helping them come alive to their true
  • 00:13:25.461 --> 00:13:30.299
  • Intention, their true architect, if you will, is a passion of
  • 00:13:30.299 --> 00:13:35.804
  • Mine and a fire of mine.
  • 00:13:35.804 --> 00:13:37.206
  • So i preach that pastors are getting lit up, the place is
  • 00:13:37.206 --> 00:13:40.776
  • Going wild, and then i fly home.
  • 00:13:40.776 --> 00:13:43.646
  • Little do i know 30 days later, almost exactly 30 days later,
  • 00:13:43.646 --> 00:13:48.384
  • Charlie is in utah, and an assassin's bullet, you know,
  • 00:13:48.384 --> 00:13:53.255
  • Takes his life, makes him a modern-day martyr.
  • 00:13:53.255 --> 00:13:56.392
  • And all of a sudden, as i'm grappling with this, because
  • 00:13:56.392 --> 00:14:00.195
  • Like there's a personal place to this now where it's like man
  • 00:14:00.195 --> 00:14:02.965
  • I'm--i feel like a part of the turning point family, all of a
  • 00:14:02.965 --> 00:14:06.635
  • Sudden, literally the day it happens, the lord shows me the
  • 00:14:06.635 --> 00:14:09.838
  • Message i preached.
  • 00:14:09.838 --> 00:14:11.340
  • He said, "keenan, i was warning my church in a way you, even
  • 00:14:11.340 --> 00:14:15.444
  • Though you were the mouthpiece, didn't even know, you were
  • 00:14:15.444 --> 00:14:18.380
  • Warning my church that this is not going to take me by
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  • Surprise, that a shepherd will be struck."
  • 00:14:21.617 --> 00:14:24.954
  • I mean, i think it's hard to argue that charlie was not
  • 00:14:24.954 --> 00:14:27.456
  • Shepherding a generation, was not trying to look out for the
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  • Welfare and the well-being of a generation, even let's be
  • 00:14:31.493 --> 00:14:34.363
  • Honest, those yet unborn, charlie had their best interest
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  • In mind.
  • 00:14:37.700 --> 00:14:39.368
  • And so it's one of those things, like i began to see strike a
  • 00:14:39.368 --> 00:14:43.272
  • Shepherd, and what the temptation is, then, for sheep
  • 00:14:43.272 --> 00:14:45.708
  • To begin to scatter.
  • 00:14:45.708 --> 00:14:47.076
  • And so i feel like a mandate right now to say much like
  • 00:14:47.076 --> 00:14:50.145
  • Charlie, when you take out one voice, what you really end up
  • 00:14:50.145 --> 00:14:52.614
  • Doing is you embolden the voices of others who have felt like
  • 00:14:52.614 --> 00:14:55.651
  • They were voiceless.
  • 00:14:55.651 --> 00:14:56.986
  • One of the things i love about charlie was that he was just a
  • 00:14:56.986 --> 00:14:59.955
  • Regular guy who had a passion.
  • 00:14:59.955 --> 00:15:02.324
  • I mean, his whole thing was that he didn't go to college.
  • 00:15:02.324 --> 00:15:04.793
  • I mean, so it's not like you can even say he had some crazy, you
  • 00:15:04.793 --> 00:15:07.262
  • Know, degree, like born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
  • 00:15:07.262 --> 00:15:10.265
  • Like, he put his hand to the plow and asked the hand of the
  • 00:15:10.265 --> 00:15:13.836
  • Lord to rest upon him, and it made all the difference in
  • 00:15:13.836 --> 00:15:16.038
  • The world.
  • 00:15:16.038 --> 00:15:17.373
  • And so that's what i feel like i'm calling people to is, man,
  • 00:15:17.373 --> 00:15:20.576
  • Put your hand on that bible, ask the lord to put his hand upon
  • 00:15:20.576 --> 00:15:23.712
  • You, and watch what the lord could do through your life.
  • 00:15:23.712 --> 00:15:26.648
  • And it's not time to scatter, it's time for sheep to rise.
  • 00:15:26.648 --> 00:15:29.451
  • Keenan: charlie kirk and turning point usa faith about one month
  • 00:15:29.451 --> 00:15:32.755
  • Ago had an event in los angeles, california, and they invited me
  • 00:15:32.755 --> 00:15:36.725
  • To preach, and now it is eerie one month later to watch the
  • 00:15:36.725 --> 00:15:41.663
  • Message back.
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  • I'm gonna play you a snippet of it, because i believe the lord
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  • Has something to say.
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  • Keenan: the lord said this, strike the shepherd, and the
  • 00:15:46.068 --> 00:15:49.271
  • Sheep will scatter.
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  • Now, you and i understand, because we know our bibles that
  • 00:15:51.206 --> 00:15:53.475
  • This was namely speaking of what would happen to christ.
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  • But listen to me.
  • 00:15:56.145 --> 00:15:57.479
  • This will apply to any shepherd.
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  • We see that this is proven true in acts chapter 5. y'all
  • 00:15:58.814 --> 00:16:01.483
  • Remember gamaliel, the guru, pharisee, he says, hey, may i
  • 00:16:01.483 --> 00:16:05.421
  • Remind you there was thaddeus.
  • 00:16:05.421 --> 00:16:07.823
  • Thaddeus had some followers, and guess what we did?
  • 00:16:07.823 --> 00:16:10.025
  • We killed him, and his followers scattered.
  • 00:16:10.025 --> 00:16:14.663
  • He says it wasn't just thaddeus, there was also judas of galilee.
  • 00:16:14.663 --> 00:16:17.833
  • Guess what happened to judas of galilee?
  • 00:16:17.833 --> 00:16:19.501
  • We killed him, and his followers scattered, giving credence to
  • 00:16:19.501 --> 00:16:23.972
  • This idea that if you can simply strike the shepherd, it will
  • 00:16:23.972 --> 00:16:28.911
  • Dismantle the movement.
  • 00:16:28.911 --> 00:16:31.447
  • I felt it urged, provoked in my heart to preach to some
  • 00:16:31.447 --> 00:16:35.784
  • Shepherds, because you are the enemy's number-one target.
  • 00:16:35.784 --> 00:16:38.954
  • Listen to me, your life represents so much more than
  • 00:16:38.954 --> 00:16:41.090
  • Just your life.
  • 00:16:41.090 --> 00:16:42.958
  • Keenan: ooh, one month later watching that back is eerie, but
  • 00:16:42.958 --> 00:16:46.228
  • Listen to me.
  • 00:16:46.228 --> 00:16:47.596
  • The enemy's tactic is to strike the shepherds, and yesterday in
  • 00:16:47.596 --> 00:16:52.000
  • Utah a shepherd was struck.
  • 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:54.603
  • What the enemy would love nothing more to do out of
  • 00:16:54.603 --> 00:16:58.173
  • Charlie kirk's death is to cause all the sheep to scatter, to
  • 00:16:58.173 --> 00:17:02.544
  • Cause fear to well up in our hearts, which i have been
  • 00:17:02.544 --> 00:17:05.447
  • Tempted to be afraid in these moments.
  • 00:17:05.447 --> 00:17:07.616
  • Fear seems like it is a knocking on the door, and what the enemy
  • 00:17:07.616 --> 00:17:11.086
  • Would love is to silence the sheep, to cause the sheep to
  • 00:17:11.086 --> 00:17:13.655
  • Be scattered.
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  • But right now i believe god is going to turn this around, and
  • 00:17:14.990 --> 00:17:17.626
  • Not only are the sheep not going to scatter, the sheep are going
  • 00:17:17.626 --> 00:17:20.129
  • To rise up like never before.
  • 00:17:20.129 --> 00:17:22.331
  • The shepherds are going to begin to speak out.
  • 00:17:22.331 --> 00:17:24.399
  • There are going to be people beginning to carry the banner of
  • 00:17:24.399 --> 00:17:27.169
  • The truth of jesus christ like never before.
  • 00:17:27.169 --> 00:17:30.139
  • I want to remind you ephesians 6 says that we wrestle not against
  • 00:17:30.139 --> 00:17:34.076
  • Flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers of the
  • 00:17:34.076 --> 00:17:37.579
  • Air, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • 00:17:37.579 --> 00:17:40.282
  • The enemy is trying to get you and i to think on the plane of
  • 00:17:40.282 --> 00:17:42.718
  • Flesh and blood, but that's not where we retaliate.
  • 00:17:42.718 --> 00:17:45.521
  • We retaliate in the spirit where we know the real battle is.
  • 00:17:45.521 --> 00:17:49.424
  • And let me remind you of what 2 corinthians 10 says.
  • 00:17:49.424 --> 00:17:52.327
  • Second corinthians 10 says that the weapons of our warfare,
  • 00:17:52.327 --> 00:17:55.197
  • They're not carnal, but they are still mighty in our god for the
  • 00:17:55.197 --> 00:17:58.967
  • Pulling down of strongholds and the tearing down of every
  • 00:17:58.967 --> 00:18:02.771
  • Pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of god.
  • 00:18:02.771 --> 00:18:06.608
  • That's what charlie kirk came against.
  • 00:18:06.608 --> 00:18:08.677
  • He came against things that set themselves up against the
  • 00:18:08.677 --> 00:18:11.847
  • Knowledge of god, and it is time for you and i to stand up in the
  • 00:18:11.847 --> 00:18:15.083
  • Power of the gospel, filled with the holy spirit just as charlie
  • 00:18:15.083 --> 00:18:18.921
  • Kirk was, and take that mantle, take that baton of truth further
  • 00:18:18.921 --> 00:18:23.258
  • Than ever before.
  • 00:18:23.258 --> 00:18:24.626
  • It's not time for sheep to scatter, it's time for sheep
  • 00:18:24.626 --> 00:18:26.461
  • To rise.
  • 00:18:26.461 --> 00:18:27.829
  • Matt: okay, so there's truth in that message that you preached
  • 00:18:27.829 --> 00:18:32.501
  • At that event, but truth doesn't change anyone, only the truth
  • 00:18:32.501 --> 00:18:38.874
  • You act upon or believe or, you know, you have to take that, so
  • 00:18:38.874 --> 00:18:45.948
  • What is the point of that if you've got now a second bite at
  • 00:18:45.948 --> 00:18:55.424
  • The apple here, those pastors now are watching and many more,
  • 00:18:55.424 --> 00:19:01.330
  • What do you want that message to represent in the future?
  • 00:19:01.330 --> 00:19:07.669
  • Keenan: yeah, absolutely.
  • 00:19:07.669 --> 00:19:09.004
  • I want it to represent a generation that finds their
  • 00:19:09.004 --> 00:19:12.674
  • Voice, and our voice is the voice of truth, end it, send it,
  • 00:19:12.674 --> 00:19:16.812
  • That is it right there.
  • 00:19:16.812 --> 00:19:18.146
  • That we are called to echo the words of our lord and savior, to
  • 00:19:18.146 --> 00:19:21.250
  • Be proclaimers of the gospel, to hold on to the truth, not truth
  • 00:19:21.250 --> 00:19:25.487
  • We make up, and not truth that feels good today and maybe i'll
  • 00:19:25.487 --> 00:19:28.890
  • Have a different truth tomorrow, but truth that transcends
  • 00:19:28.890 --> 00:19:32.828
  • Current trends.
  • 00:19:32.828 --> 00:19:34.229
  • That's the thing i love about scripture, 200 years from now,
  • 00:19:34.229 --> 00:19:36.365
  • Scripture will be scripture.
  • 00:19:36.365 --> 00:19:38.233
  • It will say the same thing.
  • 00:19:38.233 --> 00:19:39.568
  • I don't pledge my allegiance to someone who might change his
  • 00:19:39.568 --> 00:19:42.337
  • Mind tomorrow.
  • 00:19:42.337 --> 00:19:43.905
  • I pledge my allegiance to someone who had his mind fixed
  • 00:19:43.905 --> 00:19:47.175
  • Before the foundations of the world.
  • 00:19:47.175 --> 00:19:48.810
  • Before creation christ was the lamb slain.
  • 00:19:48.810 --> 00:19:51.613
  • That's what revelation 13 says, the lamb slain before the
  • 00:19:51.613 --> 00:19:54.716
  • Foundation of the world, that the plan was already set, and
  • 00:19:54.716 --> 00:19:58.854
  • That's the kind of leader i follow, that's the god i serve.
  • 00:19:58.854 --> 00:20:01.823
  • And so that's what i'm imploring people is to say, hey, let's let
  • 00:20:01.823 --> 00:20:04.760
  • A moment like this--yeah, we grieve, but we don't grieve as
  • 00:20:04.760 --> 00:20:07.195
  • Those who have no hope.
  • 00:20:07.195 --> 00:20:08.664
  • We grieve from a place of hope knowing that, man, god has an
  • 00:20:08.664 --> 00:20:12.701
  • Incredible intention, that god has prophetically seen these
  • 00:20:12.701 --> 00:20:17.372
  • Things and even warned us.
  • 00:20:17.372 --> 00:20:19.908
  • And i pretend to not even--i don't pretend to be the only
  • 00:20:19.908 --> 00:20:22.311
  • Voice that god has in any way used to warn or to shape or to
  • 00:20:22.311 --> 00:20:27.215
  • Influence, but i want to be one of many who is all saying the
  • 00:20:27.215 --> 00:20:30.385
  • Same thing, that christ--
  • 00:20:30.385 --> 00:20:31.787
  • I was at the memorial.
  • 00:20:31.787 --> 00:20:33.121
  • Keenan: two hours until start time, and this place is
  • 00:20:33.121 --> 00:20:35.691
  • Filling up.
  • 00:20:35.691 --> 00:20:37.025
  • This is revival.
  • 00:20:37.025 --> 00:20:38.393
  • Come on, look.
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  • [music]
  • 00:20:40.395 --> 00:20:48.170
  • Keenan: and you cannot tell me that that was not a move of god.
  • 00:20:48.170 --> 00:20:52.341
  • I heard the gospel preached with more conviction and more
  • 00:20:52.341 --> 00:20:55.477
  • Eloquence than i've heard in some churches by people who--
  • 00:20:55.477 --> 00:20:59.414
  • I mean, what jd vance said.
  • 00:20:59.414 --> 00:21:00.749
  • He said i have not talked about jesus christ more in my life
  • 00:21:00.749 --> 00:21:02.951
  • Than i have in the last two weeks.
  • 00:21:02.951 --> 00:21:04.886
  • It is hard to argue that something is not stirring.
  • 00:21:04.886 --> 00:21:07.556
  • And again, as i said as we began to open this up, the holy spirit
  • 00:21:07.556 --> 00:21:11.593
  • Told me, keenan, it's time for you to take your place.
  • 00:21:11.593 --> 00:21:15.263
  • You know, god is a god of partnership.
  • 00:21:15.263 --> 00:21:18.266
  • You've heard of like people being possessed, right?
  • 00:21:18.266 --> 00:21:20.802
  • That that's a demonic thing.
  • 00:21:20.802 --> 00:21:22.838
  • The devil possesses, god i found he wants partnership.
  • 00:21:22.838 --> 00:21:27.008
  • He likes it when we choose to be a part of this thing, he's
  • 00:21:27.008 --> 00:21:30.812
  • A gentleman.
  • 00:21:30.812 --> 00:21:32.147
  • And what i wanna encourage anyone, any young person out
  • 00:21:32.147 --> 00:21:35.117
  • There, any not just young people, you know, god is no
  • 00:21:35.117 --> 00:21:38.854
  • Respecter of age, that if you are still sucking oxygen on this
  • 00:21:38.854 --> 00:21:42.157
  • Planet, that that means god has an intention for your life, and
  • 00:21:42.157 --> 00:21:45.227
  • It's not just for you to echo and and champion people who are
  • 00:21:45.227 --> 00:21:49.598
  • On tbn or anyone else you may follow, it's for you to find
  • 00:21:49.598 --> 00:21:52.734
  • Your voice, to echo what is coming out of his mouth, because
  • 00:21:52.734 --> 00:21:56.138
  • His words will not fall to the ground.
  • 00:21:56.138 --> 00:21:58.507
  • Not a single one will return void.
  • 00:21:58.507 --> 00:22:00.409
  • I mean, god holds his word higher than anything else along
  • 00:22:00.409 --> 00:22:04.112
  • With his own name.
  • 00:22:04.112 --> 00:22:05.447
  • And so if we would begin to use our life to begin to echo his
  • 00:22:05.447 --> 00:22:08.817
  • Words, our lives will begin to have ripples far beyond us.
  • 00:22:08.817 --> 00:22:12.721
  • And let me say this, there is a revival coming.
  • 00:22:12.721 --> 00:22:15.123
  • It's already in the early stages.
  • 00:22:15.123 --> 00:22:18.393
  • It's beginning to form, it's beginning to organize, and those
  • 00:22:18.393 --> 00:22:21.196
  • Things need to take place, but listen to me, it is going to
  • 00:22:21.196 --> 00:22:24.099
  • Shape the next 150 years of this country.
  • 00:22:24.099 --> 00:22:27.736
  • It is going to be a multi-generational revival.
  • 00:22:27.736 --> 00:22:31.907
  • It's gonna be a reformation and awakening, and it's time for you
  • 00:22:31.907 --> 00:22:36.244
  • To take your place and step up to the plate and be a part
  • 00:22:36.244 --> 00:22:38.547
  • Of it.
  • 00:22:38.547 --> 00:22:39.881
  • Keenan: the greatest threat to our church is not that which is
  • 00:22:39.881 --> 00:22:41.983
  • Without, but that which is within.
  • 00:22:41.983 --> 00:22:44.586
  • And when this pulpit, this sacred desk has verses it will
  • 00:22:44.586 --> 00:22:49.458
  • And will not preach, we are in trouble.
  • 00:22:49.458 --> 00:22:52.127
  • I'm tired of preaching sermons telling you what to believe and
  • 00:22:52.127 --> 00:22:55.363
  • Not telling you why you ought to believe it.
  • 00:22:55.363 --> 00:22:58.400
  • Just repeat it.
  • 00:22:58.400 --> 00:22:59.734
  • Oh, just trust me, i'm the expert.
  • 00:22:59.734 --> 00:23:01.636
  • I'm in front of all the people.
  • 00:23:01.636 --> 00:23:02.971
  • No, i want you to have confidence in why jesus christ
  • 00:23:02.971 --> 00:23:07.008
  • Is the anchor for your soul.
  • 00:23:07.008 --> 00:23:10.479
  • Matt: you see something positive out of a negative situation in
  • 00:23:10.479 --> 00:23:20.222
  • The way that human beings interrelate to each other.
  • 00:23:20.222 --> 00:23:23.725
  • Charlie being gone, but you're seeing something positive that
  • 00:23:23.725 --> 00:23:31.733
  • Can happen.
  • 00:23:31.733 --> 00:23:33.068
  • So, what i guess you're saying is romans 8:28 is real, it
  • 00:23:33.068 --> 00:23:37.906
  • Really works.
  • 00:23:37.906 --> 00:23:39.474
  • There can be things out of negative that god shapes, and i
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  • Think the winners in life do that sooner than other people.
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  • Keenan: yes.
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  • Matt: and there has been negative things that have
  • 00:23:54.823 --> 00:23:57.192
  • Happened inside of trinity.
  • 00:23:57.192 --> 00:24:00.929
  • Over the 53 years of our corporate history, there's been
  • 00:24:00.929 --> 00:24:04.566
  • Many negative things.
  • 00:24:04.566 --> 00:24:05.901
  • There's been mind-numbing terrible things happen.
  • 00:24:05.901 --> 00:24:09.838
  • My dad was in litigation with the federal government for
  • 00:24:09.838 --> 00:24:14.809
  • Eight years.
  • 00:24:14.809 --> 00:24:16.177
  • You know, i mean, it's just-- and on and on i could just, you
  • 00:24:16.177 --> 00:24:18.313
  • Know, start down the list of negative things.
  • 00:24:18.313 --> 00:24:21.316
  • And but when you look back on them, you can say why wasn't i
  • 00:24:21.316 --> 00:24:27.455
  • Seen what god was going to do?
  • 00:24:27.455 --> 00:24:31.192
  • You know, we had a negative thing happen recently, and it
  • 00:24:31.192 --> 00:24:34.362
  • Got in the papers, and i had a friend call me, a very prophetic
  • 00:24:34.362 --> 00:24:39.334
  • Friend call me the day the article hit and say i almost
  • 00:24:39.334 --> 00:24:48.276
  • Have a spiritual jealousy, because i have been shown by the
  • 00:24:48.276 --> 00:24:53.848
  • Lord that this is simply an elevation for you.
  • 00:24:53.848 --> 00:24:57.852
  • What you're seeing is this slog that you're going to be going
  • 00:24:57.852 --> 00:25:02.958
  • Through for a while, i see it as this elevation.
  • 00:25:02.958 --> 00:25:06.695
  • That was day one.
  • 00:25:06.695 --> 00:25:08.163
  • Laurie: congratulations, man.
  • 00:25:08.163 --> 00:25:09.631
  • Matt: yeah, it was like god's got you on this, and it's an
  • 00:25:09.631 --> 00:25:13.301
  • Elevation for you, and guess what?
  • 00:25:13.301 --> 00:25:16.271
  • That was the most spirit-lifting thing i've ever heard.
  • 00:25:16.271 --> 00:25:21.409
  • When a gun goes off and a shepherd falls, and one of the
  • 00:25:21.409 --> 00:25:31.353
  • Sheep, young person like yourself, sees a global revival
  • 00:25:31.353 --> 00:25:38.460
  • Lasting for multi-generations, that's god's voice emerging to a
  • 00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:46.267
  • Generation, and we love that.
  • 00:25:46.267 --> 00:25:47.969
  • And largely that's why you're sitting here.
  • 00:25:47.969 --> 00:25:50.071
  • Keenan: amen, amen.
  • 00:25:50.071 --> 00:25:51.773
  • I think you can either--and i think that god is patient with
  • 00:25:51.773 --> 00:25:57.245
  • Us, and he allows us to be human beings so when opposition comes
  • 00:25:57.245 --> 00:26:02.050
  • Your way, it's okay to recognize i'm being opposed, this
  • 00:26:02.050 --> 00:26:05.420
  • Is opposition.
  • 00:26:05.420 --> 00:26:06.755
  • We're not those people who stick our head in the sand, but what
  • 00:26:06.755 --> 00:26:10.525
  • You have to recognize is, okay, eventually i've got to see this
  • 00:26:10.525 --> 00:26:13.128
  • Isn't just opposition, it's an opportunity, right?
  • 00:26:13.128 --> 00:26:17.098
  • And that's what we have to press into.
  • 00:26:17.098 --> 00:26:19.267
  • Yes, again, we grieve, but we don't grieve as those who have
  • 00:26:19.267 --> 00:26:22.404
  • No hope.
  • 00:26:22.404 --> 00:26:23.772
  • We have the hope of the world.
  • 00:26:23.772 --> 00:26:25.106
  • I mean, jesus, john 16:33, "take heart, for i have overcome
  • 00:26:25.106 --> 00:26:31.312
  • The world."
  • 00:26:31.312 --> 00:26:32.681
  • And i just don't know what--i mean sometimes you look at
  • 00:26:32.681 --> 00:26:35.950
  • People who respond that don't have christ, and we can go what
  • 00:26:35.950 --> 00:26:39.287
  • In the world are they doing?
  • 00:26:39.287 --> 00:26:40.622
  • But any one of us would probably be responding the same way if we
  • 00:26:40.622 --> 00:26:43.291
  • Didn't have that hope, and that is why our job as evangelists,
  • 00:26:43.291 --> 00:26:48.530
  • As proclaimers of the gospel is so important, because if people
  • 00:26:48.530 --> 00:26:53.668
  • Don't have hope, they cast off restraint, they perish for a
  • 00:26:53.668 --> 00:26:58.139
  • Lack of knowledge, and that's the thing we've got to be doing
  • 00:26:58.139 --> 00:27:01.109
  • Is helping.
  • 00:27:01.109 --> 00:27:02.444
  • I have felt a big responsibility in this to, you know, i
  • 00:27:02.444 --> 00:27:05.814
  • Understand that there are a lot of eyes and hearts watching what
  • 00:27:05.814 --> 00:27:09.718
  • I say and do, and i'm like, man, i cannot be silent.
  • 00:27:09.718 --> 00:27:12.721
  • I know i've got to like work through this as a person, but as
  • 00:27:12.721 --> 00:27:15.857
  • A minister, i feel like i can't be silent because i've got to
  • 00:27:15.857 --> 00:27:18.793
  • Help a generation walk through this and process this in
  • 00:27:18.793 --> 00:27:23.865
  • Alignment with that book right there.
  • 00:27:23.865 --> 00:27:26.201
  • And so it would be easy to just try to be like, okay, well, you
  • 00:27:26.201 --> 00:27:29.771
  • Know, i know what god's doing, i know it's gonna be okay, yes, we
  • 00:27:29.771 --> 00:27:33.575
  • Grieve, but we don't grieve as those who have no help, but
  • 00:27:33.575 --> 00:27:35.443
  • We've got to get vocal.
  • 00:27:35.443 --> 00:27:36.811
  • Because in all honesty, all the wrong people are being the most
  • 00:27:36.811 --> 00:27:39.748
  • Vocal, and that is often the trend, and so we need people who
  • 00:27:39.748 --> 00:27:44.552
  • Actually have some semblance--
  • 00:27:44.552 --> 00:27:46.354
  • Laurie: did i say that too loud?
  • 00:27:46.354 --> 00:27:47.689
  • Matt: yeah, you jumped in really hard on that one for
  • 00:27:47.689 --> 00:27:50.325
  • Some reason.
  • 00:27:50.325 --> 00:27:53.027
  • Keenan: yeah, my wife would have done the same thing, but some
  • 00:27:53.027 --> 00:27:56.865
  • Semblance of truth, you know, to begin to speak and make sense of
  • 00:27:56.865 --> 00:28:01.569
  • All this.
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  • Laurie: i have so many wonderful things to say.
  • 00:28:02.971 --> 00:28:05.206
  • Kudos to your mother and your father.
  • 00:28:05.206 --> 00:28:07.976
  • I love you.
  • 00:28:07.976 --> 00:28:09.344
  • Just watching your kid do his thing, i love that.
  • 00:28:09.344 --> 00:28:13.615
  • And so as a mom of two boys, i'm very proud.
  • 00:28:13.615 --> 00:28:16.885
  • Matt: he's a preacher's kid too.
  • 00:28:16.885 --> 00:28:18.353
  • Laurie: yes, and i love everything about what god is
  • 00:28:18.353 --> 00:28:25.794
  • Doing, and i often think first of all what i pick up is these
  • 00:28:25.794 --> 00:28:31.666
  • Kids are doing completely different than--so our
  • 00:28:31.666 --> 00:28:38.339
  • Generation, we kind of grew up him mostly under a dispensation
  • 00:28:38.339 --> 00:28:43.511
  • That jesus is coming back tomorrow, so we don't have time
  • 00:28:43.511 --> 00:28:46.848
  • To go to school, you gotta--
  • 00:28:46.848 --> 00:28:48.650
  • This generation doesn't think about that, and they're not
  • 00:28:48.650 --> 00:28:51.886
  • Going to school anyway, because i've got a call on my life, and
  • 00:28:51.886 --> 00:28:54.255
  • I'm gonna do it.
  • 00:28:54.255 --> 00:28:55.824
  • Love you for that.
  • 00:28:55.824 --> 00:28:58.359
  • But then i just think how the bible's always talking about in
  • 00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:02.730
  • The time of daniel or in the time of moses or in the time,
  • 00:29:02.730 --> 00:29:08.002
  • And this is such a time for keenan clark.
  • 00:29:08.002 --> 00:29:11.072
  • You know, it was a time for charlie.
  • 00:29:11.072 --> 00:29:13.308
  • This is a time, a set time in the history of laying the bricks
  • 00:29:13.308 --> 00:29:19.214
  • In the wall, right?
  • 00:29:19.214 --> 00:29:23.084
  • And i think what's happening now with the death of charlie and
  • 00:29:23.084 --> 00:29:32.760
  • What that ignited in this generation is gonna be one of
  • 00:29:32.760 --> 00:29:37.832
  • The most powerful things that we've ever seen in our lifetime.
  • 00:29:37.832 --> 00:29:43.171
  • What is your most important message to the youth of today
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  • About calling and purpose in people's life to get the
  • 00:29:47.575 --> 00:29:53.081
  • Kingdom--i believe the kingdom of god is right here on earth
  • 00:29:53.081 --> 00:29:57.018
  • Right now.
  • 00:29:57.018 --> 00:29:58.353
  • Right here, right now.
  • 00:29:58.353 --> 00:29:59.721
  • Keenan: absolutely.
  • 00:29:59.721 --> 00:30:01.055
  • I would say this, if you feel a tug from god, god intends to use
  • 00:30:01.055 --> 00:30:06.694
  • The version of you he calls.
  • 00:30:06.694 --> 00:30:09.998
  • So when god calls, he's aware of what stage of life you're in,
  • 00:30:09.998 --> 00:30:13.635
  • He's aware of where you're at in your like in your process
  • 00:30:13.635 --> 00:30:17.105
  • Through life.
  • 00:30:17.105 --> 00:30:18.473
  • I think about this, the apostle john, as most scholars can tell,
  • 00:30:18.473 --> 00:30:22.543
  • At their best guess, was likely 14 years old when jesus found
  • 00:30:22.543 --> 00:30:27.482
  • Him on that shore working in his father zebedee's business.
  • 00:30:27.482 --> 00:30:30.818
  • John is likely the youngest of the twelve apostles jesus calls
  • 00:30:30.818 --> 00:30:34.555
  • By name, right?
  • 00:30:34.555 --> 00:30:35.890
  • Jesus had twelve, the seventy, of course, then he had the
  • 00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:37.892
  • Three, and then of course he had, like most people say, john
  • 00:30:37.892 --> 00:30:40.528
  • Was the closest to jesus.
  • 00:30:40.528 --> 00:30:43.531
  • John's 14 when jesus calls him.
  • 00:30:43.531 --> 00:30:46.167
  • What i love is you then fast forward, the very last book we
  • 00:30:46.167 --> 00:30:49.470
  • Would ever find written by the apostle john is the book
  • 00:30:49.470 --> 00:30:52.106
  • Of revelation.
  • 00:30:52.106 --> 00:30:53.441
  • Most scholars would put that writing at about 95 ad.
  • 00:30:53.441 --> 00:30:56.811
  • Jesus dies in 33 ad, somewhere around there.
  • 00:30:56.811 --> 00:31:00.548
  • John is an old man at this point.
  • 00:31:00.548 --> 00:31:03.785
  • But here, what i love is at this point, according to church
  • 00:31:03.785 --> 00:31:07.121
  • History, he has suffered deeply for the cause of christ.
  • 00:31:07.121 --> 00:31:09.958
  • Number one, given an incredible task, go and take care of my
  • 00:31:09.958 --> 00:31:12.393
  • Mother mary.
  • 00:31:12.393 --> 00:31:13.761
  • Literally jesus says that from the cross, like mother, here is
  • 00:31:13.761 --> 00:31:16.731
  • Your son, son, here is your mother, and sometimes we can
  • 00:31:16.731 --> 00:31:19.434
  • Wonder where was john at in the book of acts?
  • 00:31:19.434 --> 00:31:22.036
  • Like you don't see him a whole lot.
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  • You see him in the beginning, but then you don't see him a
  • 00:31:23.404 --> 00:31:25.139
  • Whole lot.
  • 00:31:25.139 --> 00:31:26.474
  • He's taking care of mary, right?
  • 00:31:26.474 --> 00:31:27.809
  • How easy would it be to feel left out, you know?
  • 00:31:27.809 --> 00:31:29.277
  • Like i'm over here, you know, cutting finger sandwiches and
  • 00:31:29.277 --> 00:31:31.913
  • Pouring chamomile tea for mary while peter and james are over
  • 00:31:31.913 --> 00:31:35.116
  • There, you know, advancing the kingdom, you know?
  • 00:31:35.116 --> 00:31:38.052
  • But john had his moment after his assignment was finished, and
  • 00:31:38.052 --> 00:31:41.456
  • Church history would say he was boiled alive in a vat of oil,
  • 00:31:41.456 --> 00:31:45.193
  • Survived, wouldn't quit preaching the resurrection of
  • 00:31:45.193 --> 00:31:47.962
  • Christ, so they stuck him on an island called patmos.
  • 00:31:47.962 --> 00:31:50.698
  • He then writes a book of revelation.
  • 00:31:50.698 --> 00:31:52.533
  • We want to make revelation all about the end times, which i'm
  • 00:31:52.533 --> 00:31:55.236
  • Not saying that there's not, you know, some imagery and all of
  • 00:31:55.236 --> 00:31:58.706
  • That, but revelation 1:1 tells us what the revelation is, and
  • 00:31:58.706 --> 00:32:02.076
  • It's the revelation of jesus christ.
  • 00:32:02.076 --> 00:32:05.279
  • That's what the whole book is about, revealing jesus.
  • 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.950
  • That 14-year-old boy went through arguably hell on earth
  • 00:32:08.950 --> 00:32:14.822
  • Following this messiah on an island where there's no one who
  • 00:32:14.822 --> 00:32:18.459
  • Would give a hoot if he disavowed his faith, walked away
  • 00:32:18.459 --> 00:32:21.763
  • From the whole thing, gave up on it all.
  • 00:32:21.763 --> 00:32:24.298
  • He says i've gotta write this man's revelation down, as an old
  • 00:32:24.298 --> 00:32:27.702
  • Man, still clinging to that.
  • 00:32:27.702 --> 00:32:29.203
  • And, man, that's what i'm fighting for.
  • 00:32:29.203 --> 00:32:32.540
  • I'm fighting for some 14-year-old johns out there who
  • 00:32:32.540 --> 00:32:35.643
  • Don't know any better.
  • 00:32:35.643 --> 00:32:37.011
  • They think, oh, i'm just gonna carry on zebedee's business,
  • 00:32:37.011 --> 00:32:39.313
  • Because this is what we do as smiths.
  • 00:32:39.313 --> 00:32:40.915
  • This is what we do as whatever.
  • 00:32:40.915 --> 00:32:42.650
  • I'm just gonna keep this business going, and god's
  • 00:32:42.650 --> 00:32:44.819
  • Saying, "no, i've placed my hand upon you.
  • 00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:47.221
  • I wanna pour my entire horn of oil upon your head, and i wanna
  • 00:32:47.221 --> 00:32:52.727
  • Use you.
  • 00:32:52.727 --> 00:32:54.095
  • And yes, it will cost you greatly."
  • 00:32:54.095 --> 00:32:55.863
  • And, you know, there's that moment in john 21 where, you
  • 00:32:55.863 --> 00:32:58.499
  • Know, jesus begins to prophesy to peter how they'll die, right?
  • 00:32:58.499 --> 00:33:04.305
  • When you're old, you'll want to go a certain way, and somebody
  • 00:33:04.305 --> 00:33:06.174
  • Will carry you another.
  • 00:33:06.174 --> 00:33:07.542
  • And then peter goes, "what about john?"
  • 00:33:07.542 --> 00:33:09.744
  • And jesus says, "what is it to you?
  • 00:33:09.744 --> 00:33:11.712
  • If i have him never die, you follow me."
  • 00:33:11.712 --> 00:33:15.683
  • And i believe that not only got into the spirit of peter because
  • 00:33:15.683 --> 00:33:19.387
  • Peter followed jesus to the bitter end, so did john.
  • 00:33:19.387 --> 00:33:22.990
  • Even if i'm out here on an island all by myself, there's no
  • 00:33:22.990 --> 00:33:27.195
  • One to hold me accountable to the faith i supposedly
  • 00:33:27.195 --> 00:33:29.964
  • Prescribe to.
  • 00:33:29.964 --> 00:33:31.332
  • I'm not held accountable by exterior forces, i have an
  • 00:33:31.332 --> 00:33:33.901
  • Inner witness.
  • 00:33:33.901 --> 00:33:35.269
  • I have a conviction.
  • 00:33:35.269 --> 00:33:36.604
  • I am living for an audience of one, and if i'm pleasing to god,
  • 00:33:36.604 --> 00:33:40.775
  • What does it matter whom i displease along the way?
  • 00:33:40.775 --> 00:33:43.978
  • And that is what i'm--i feel like i'm contending for some
  • 00:33:43.978 --> 00:33:46.447
  • Apostle johns out there, who, yes, you're 14, and all you can
  • 00:33:46.447 --> 00:33:50.151
  • See is just taking on daddy's business, but man, there's more
  • 00:33:50.151 --> 00:33:53.254
  • The master has for you.
  • 00:33:53.254 --> 00:33:54.922
  • Keenan: i'm sick and tired of acting like young people
  • 00:33:54.922 --> 00:33:57.058
  • Are wimps.
  • 00:33:57.058 --> 00:33:58.426
  • I'm sick and tired of acting like young people can't take the
  • 00:33:58.426 --> 00:34:01.262
  • Word of god, that they can't learn the word of god, that they
  • 00:34:01.262 --> 00:34:04.365
  • Can't practice the word of god.
  • 00:34:04.365 --> 00:34:05.933
  • Listen to me, god wrote you into this chapter of the story for
  • 00:34:05.933 --> 00:34:10.371
  • A reason.
  • 00:34:10.371 --> 00:34:11.739
  • What does that say about the anointing he is ready to place
  • 00:34:11.739 --> 00:34:14.475
  • Upon your shoulders?
  • 00:34:14.475 --> 00:34:15.910
  • God wrote you into one of the most tumultuous times in human
  • 00:34:19.247 --> 00:34:22.617
  • History, where men are questioning whether they are men
  • 00:34:22.617 --> 00:34:25.520
  • And women are questioning where they are women.
  • 00:34:25.520 --> 00:34:27.688
  • The baseline of biology is in question, and god wrote you into
  • 00:34:27.688 --> 00:34:34.028
  • The story because he knows if you can get ahold of his blood,
  • 00:34:34.028 --> 00:34:38.232
  • If that blood will get on you, there ain't no demon in hell
  • 00:34:38.232 --> 00:34:41.736
  • That can compromise you.
  • 00:34:41.736 --> 00:34:43.804
  • I'm telling you right now.
  • 00:34:43.804 --> 00:34:46.407
  • You need a blood-soaked story.
  • 00:34:50.077 --> 00:34:54.815
  • Matt: if this uniquely horrible event of charlie's death raises
  • 00:34:54.815 --> 00:35:03.758
  • Up a generation of the--you realize the scariest army in the
  • 00:35:03.758 --> 00:35:11.299
  • World is one that doesn't care if they live or die.
  • 00:35:11.299 --> 00:35:17.238
  • Keenan: right.
  • 00:35:17.238 --> 00:35:18.606
  • Matt: you see?
  • 00:35:18.606 --> 00:35:19.941
  • I mean, you talk about scary.
  • 00:35:19.941 --> 00:35:23.377
  • You go into battle not caring if you live or die because you're
  • 00:35:23.377 --> 00:35:27.014
  • Just simply following the footsteps of the messiah, and
  • 00:35:27.014 --> 00:35:32.320
  • You're drawing a comparison to a generation that quite frankly i
  • 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.857
  • Don't think we've seen in a while.
  • 00:35:36.857 --> 00:35:39.160
  • If we see a generation of young people willing to go right into
  • 00:35:39.160 --> 00:35:45.933
  • The battle in the way that john did, in the way that charlie,
  • 00:35:45.933 --> 00:35:51.439
  • You know, his life, he went right into the lion's den all
  • 00:35:51.439 --> 00:35:56.911
  • The time and very clearly understood the dangers that
  • 00:35:56.911 --> 00:36:03.284
  • Might exist, you know, spitting that much truth in regard to,
  • 00:36:03.284 --> 00:36:11.525
  • The world will change, and it will change positively
  • 00:36:11.525 --> 00:36:15.129
  • Forever, because--
  • 00:36:15.129 --> 00:36:16.897
  • Keenan: yeah, without a doubt.
  • 00:36:16.897 --> 00:36:18.332
  • Matt: so we started earlier with this message that god had put on
  • 00:36:18.332 --> 00:36:25.306
  • Your heart to speak at an event, that if you strike the shepherd,
  • 00:36:25.306 --> 00:36:31.779
  • The sheep will scatter.
  • 00:36:31.779 --> 00:36:36.083
  • Make a case that now that we're into this conversation a while
  • 00:36:36.083 --> 00:36:42.323
  • That we can't let them scatter, they've got to come back
  • 00:36:42.323 --> 00:36:46.827
  • Together to form this steely-eyed army that will
  • 00:36:46.827 --> 00:36:52.433
  • Change the trajectory of world history.
  • 00:36:52.433 --> 00:36:55.603
  • Keenan: charlie kirk and turning point usa faith about one month
  • 00:36:55.603 --> 00:36:58.873
  • Ago had an event in los angeles, california, and they invited me
  • 00:36:58.873 --> 00:37:02.910
  • To preach, and now it is eerie one month later to watch the
  • 00:37:02.910 --> 00:37:07.815
  • Message back.
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  • I'm gonna play you a snippet of it, because i believe the lord
  • 00:37:09.183 --> 00:37:10.918
  • Has something to say.
  • 00:37:10.918 --> 00:37:12.253
  • Keenan: the lord said this, strike the shepherd, and the
  • 00:37:12.253 --> 00:37:15.423
  • Sheep will scatter.
  • 00:37:15.423 --> 00:37:17.358
  • Now, you and i understand, because we know our bibles, that
  • 00:37:17.358 --> 00:37:19.627
  • This was namely speaking of what would happen to christ.
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  • But listen to me.
  • 00:37:22.263 --> 00:37:23.597
  • This will apply to any shepherd.
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  • We see that this is proven true in acts chapter 5. y'all
  • 00:37:24.965 --> 00:37:27.635
  • Remember gamaliel, the guru, pharisee.
  • 00:37:27.635 --> 00:37:30.504
  • He says, hey, may i remind you there was thaddeus.
  • 00:37:30.504 --> 00:37:34.375
  • Thaddeus had some followers, and guess what we did?
  • 00:37:34.375 --> 00:37:36.177
  • We killed him, and his followers scattered.
  • 00:37:36.177 --> 00:37:40.781
  • He says it wasn't just thaddeus, there was also judas of galilee.
  • 00:37:40.781 --> 00:37:43.984
  • Guess what happened to judas of galilee?
  • 00:37:43.984 --> 00:37:45.653
  • We killed him, and his followers scattered, giving credence to
  • 00:37:45.653 --> 00:37:50.124
  • This idea that if you can simply strike the shepherd, it will
  • 00:37:50.124 --> 00:37:55.096
  • Dismantle the movement.
  • 00:37:55.096 --> 00:37:57.531
  • I felt it urged, provoked in my heart to preach to some
  • 00:37:57.531 --> 00:38:01.936
  • Shepherds, because you are the enemy's number-one target.
  • 00:38:01.936 --> 00:38:05.072
  • Listen to me, your life represents so much more than
  • 00:38:05.072 --> 00:38:07.208
  • Just your life.
  • 00:38:07.208 --> 00:38:09.110
  • Keenan: ooh, month later watching that back is eerie, but
  • 00:38:09.110 --> 00:38:12.380
  • Listen to me.
  • 00:38:12.380 --> 00:38:13.748
  • The enemy's tactic is to strike the shepherds, and yesterday in
  • 00:38:13.748 --> 00:38:18.152
  • Utah a shepherd was struck.
  • 00:38:18.152 --> 00:38:20.755
  • What the enemy would love nothing more to do out of
  • 00:38:20.755 --> 00:38:24.325
  • Charlie kirk's death is to cause all the sheep to scatter, to
  • 00:38:24.325 --> 00:38:28.696
  • Cause fear to well up in our hearts, which i have been
  • 00:38:28.696 --> 00:38:31.599
  • Tempted to be afraid in these moments.
  • 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:33.768
  • Fear seems like it is a knocking on the door, and what the enemy
  • 00:38:33.768 --> 00:38:37.238
  • Would love is to silence the sheep, to cause the sheep to
  • 00:38:37.238 --> 00:38:39.774
  • Be scattered.
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  • But right now i believe god is going to turn this around.
  • 00:38:41.142 --> 00:38:43.577
  • And not only are the sheep not going to scatter, the sheep are
  • 00:38:43.577 --> 00:38:46.180
  • Gonna rise up like never before.
  • 00:38:46.180 --> 00:38:48.482
  • The shepherds are going to begin to speak out.
  • 00:38:48.482 --> 00:38:50.584
  • There are going to be people beginning to carry the banner of
  • 00:38:50.584 --> 00:38:53.320
  • The truth of jesus christ like never before.
  • 00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.290
  • I want to remind you ephesians 6 says that we wrestle not against
  • 00:38:56.290 --> 00:39:00.227
  • Flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers of the
  • 00:39:00.227 --> 00:39:03.731
  • Air, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • 00:39:03.731 --> 00:39:06.400
  • The enemy is trying to get you and i to think on the plane of
  • 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.869
  • Flesh and blood, but that's not where we retaliate.
  • 00:39:08.869 --> 00:39:11.672
  • We retaliate in the spirit, where we know the real
  • 00:39:11.672 --> 00:39:14.942
  • Battle is.
  • 00:39:14.942 --> 00:39:16.310
  • And let me remind you of what 2 corinthians 10 says.
  • 00:39:16.310 --> 00:39:18.479
  • Second corinthians 10 says that the weapons of our warfare,
  • 00:39:18.479 --> 00:39:21.348
  • They're not carnal, but they are still mighty in our god for the
  • 00:39:21.348 --> 00:39:25.119
  • Pulling down of strongholds and the tearing down of every
  • 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.923
  • Pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of god.
  • 00:39:28.923 --> 00:39:32.760
  • That's what charlie kirk came against.
  • 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:34.829
  • He came against things that set themselves up against the
  • 00:39:34.829 --> 00:39:37.998
  • Knowledge of god, and it is time for you and i to stand up in the
  • 00:39:37.998 --> 00:39:41.268
  • Power of the gospel, filled with the holy spirit just as charlie
  • 00:39:41.268 --> 00:39:45.072
  • Kirk was, and take that mantle, take that baton of truth further
  • 00:39:45.072 --> 00:39:49.410
  • Than ever before.
  • 00:39:49.410 --> 00:39:50.778
  • It's not time for sheep to scatter, it's time for sheep
  • 00:39:50.778 --> 00:39:52.613
  • To rise.
  • 00:39:52.613 --> 00:39:53.981
  • Keenan: we have to get unified.
  • 00:39:53.981 --> 00:39:56.984
  • And that is why it is imperative that we even understand what the
  • 00:39:56.984 --> 00:40:02.356
  • Essentials are, right?
  • 00:40:02.356 --> 00:40:03.991
  • What are the essentials?
  • 00:40:03.991 --> 00:40:05.326
  • What will we and will we not break fellowship over?
  • 00:40:05.326 --> 00:40:07.695
  • You know, those are so important for us to make delineations of
  • 00:40:07.695 --> 00:40:11.298
  • Like, hey, are you in or are you out?
  • 00:40:11.298 --> 00:40:13.100
  • And too many people are completely ignorant of what are
  • 00:40:13.100 --> 00:40:15.736
  • Even the foundations of our faith?
  • 00:40:15.736 --> 00:40:17.538
  • Like, what does or doesn't make someone a christian?
  • 00:40:17.538 --> 00:40:20.608
  • And that is one of the things i'm feeling so stirred about is,
  • 00:40:20.608 --> 00:40:23.611
  • Again, as i've already alluded to before, calling people back
  • 00:40:23.611 --> 00:40:27.314
  • To an understanding of core doctrine.
  • 00:40:27.314 --> 00:40:29.783
  • What do we believe as christians?
  • 00:40:29.783 --> 00:40:31.919
  • And then there are secondary and even tertiary issues that it's
  • 00:40:31.919 --> 00:40:36.156
  • Like, hey, like you're allowed to have your weird take on that,
  • 00:40:36.156 --> 00:40:39.026
  • You know what i mean?
  • 00:40:39.026 --> 00:40:40.394
  • And still be my brother.
  • 00:40:40.394 --> 00:40:41.729
  • I mean, you may be my brother who has a weird take.
  • 00:40:41.729 --> 00:40:43.397
  • Matt: like the fact that you think revelation was written
  • 00:40:43.397 --> 00:40:45.399
  • In '95.
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  • Keenan: right.
  • 00:40:46.734 --> 00:40:48.102
  • Matt: it was probably written in about '66.
  • 00:40:48.102 --> 00:40:49.436
  • Keenan: you think it was in 66?
  • 00:40:49.436 --> 00:40:50.804
  • Matt: yeah, but we're not gonna break fellowship over that.
  • 00:40:50.804 --> 00:40:52.139
  • Well, let's not break fellowship over it.
  • 00:40:52.139 --> 00:40:53.507
  • That's truth here, right?
  • 00:40:53.507 --> 00:40:55.910
  • Keenan: absolutely, yeah, that's tertiary stuff, debates and
  • 00:40:55.910 --> 00:41:00.214
  • Speculation and all that.
  • 00:41:00.214 --> 00:41:01.582
  • It'd be like us getting mad over you think you know who wrote
  • 00:41:01.582 --> 00:41:03.717
  • Hebrews, and i think i know who wrote hebrews, you know?
  • 00:41:03.717 --> 00:41:05.653
  • Laurie: james.
  • 00:41:05.653 --> 00:41:07.588
  • Keenan: you're paul, and yeah, exactly.
  • 00:41:07.588 --> 00:41:09.990
  • So it's one of those things we have to get back to what are the
  • 00:41:09.990 --> 00:41:13.894
  • Essentials and begin to be united around that.
  • 00:41:13.894 --> 00:41:16.397
  • At the end of the day, it is christ and him crucified, that
  • 00:41:16.397 --> 00:41:19.833
  • He is the incarnate son of god, that he is the sacrifice, the
  • 00:41:19.833 --> 00:41:24.305
  • Propitiation, to use a biblical word for our sins.
  • 00:41:24.305 --> 00:41:28.108
  • We have no other mediator between god and man but the man
  • 00:41:28.108 --> 00:41:31.345
  • Jesus christ, and it is by his shed blood.
  • 00:41:31.345 --> 00:41:34.181
  • You know, i love, speaking of hebrews, hebrews does not say
  • 00:41:34.181 --> 00:41:37.618
  • Without a good pastor there's no remission of sin.
  • 00:41:37.618 --> 00:41:40.754
  • It doesn't say without a killer worship team there's no
  • 00:41:40.754 --> 00:41:42.590
  • Remission remission of sin.
  • 00:41:42.590 --> 00:41:44.158
  • Without great church merch, there's no remission of sin.
  • 00:41:44.158 --> 00:41:47.494
  • It is without the shedding of blood there's no remission of
  • 00:41:47.494 --> 00:41:51.365
  • Sin, and it's wild to me how much of the body of christ is
  • 00:41:51.365 --> 00:41:55.169
  • Ignorant of how important just that is, the blood of the lamb,
  • 00:41:55.169 --> 00:42:00.574
  • The atoning work.
  • 00:42:00.574 --> 00:42:01.909
  • Because so many christians, you ask about their testimony, and
  • 00:42:01.909 --> 00:42:03.911
  • It seems like the pastor of their church is like the one who
  • 00:42:03.911 --> 00:42:08.182
  • Really got them over the line and like did it, and i'm
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  • Thankful for godly pastors or like churches that are, you
  • 00:42:11.051 --> 00:42:14.088
  • Know, great houses of worship, but at the end of the day, we
  • 00:42:14.088 --> 00:42:17.224
  • Gotta get people to go, yeah, i may have found the blood at this
  • 00:42:17.224 --> 00:42:20.260
  • Church, but it was the blood.
  • 00:42:20.260 --> 00:42:22.396
  • The blood is what saved me, the blood is what sustained me, and
  • 00:42:22.396 --> 00:42:26.033
  • It will carry me through whatever else may come my way.
  • 00:42:26.033 --> 00:42:32.072
  • So, yeah, i mean, but we keep bringing up revelation, but you
  • 00:42:32.072 --> 00:42:34.475
  • Think of revelation 12, you know, they overcame him by the
  • 00:42:34.475 --> 00:42:37.945
  • Blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony.
  • 00:42:37.945 --> 00:42:41.348
  • What a lot of people don't realize is this, of course the
  • 00:42:41.348 --> 00:42:43.651
  • Bible wasn't written in english.
  • 00:42:43.651 --> 00:42:45.653
  • It was this particular passage was greek, koine greek.
  • 00:42:45.653 --> 00:42:48.922
  • So we've translated into an english word testimony.
  • 00:42:48.922 --> 00:42:51.392
  • The original greek word, i'm getting a little bible nerd on
  • 00:42:51.392 --> 00:42:55.195
  • You for a second.
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  • Laurie: we've been talking about it.
  • 00:42:56.563 --> 00:42:57.898
  • Keenan: oh, have you?
  • 00:42:57.898 --> 00:42:59.233
  • Okay, yeah, it's the word marturia, right?
  • 00:42:59.233 --> 00:43:00.601
  • It like they overcame him by marturia.
  • 00:43:00.601 --> 00:43:04.104
  • We translate it testimony.
  • 00:43:04.104 --> 00:43:05.472
  • Testimony just scratches the surface on it.
  • 00:43:05.472 --> 00:43:07.408
  • It was their testimony in the face of certain martyrdom.
  • 00:43:07.408 --> 00:43:11.478
  • I will be martyred for this testimony, and i will not change
  • 00:43:11.478 --> 00:43:14.948
  • The story regardless.
  • 00:43:14.948 --> 00:43:16.917
  • And that's the kind of tenacity, that's the kind of boldness.
  • 00:43:16.917 --> 00:43:20.654
  • You talk about an army that's not afraid to lose their life.
  • 00:43:20.654 --> 00:43:22.890
  • Can i just speak prophetically real quick?
  • 00:43:22.890 --> 00:43:24.658
  • I really, i wanna speak prophetically.
  • 00:43:24.658 --> 00:43:26.460
  • This is something i feel like the lord has been showing me.
  • 00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:28.829
  • We are looking at one of the generations who is the most
  • 00:43:28.829 --> 00:43:32.032
  • Prone, and i know this can even be a bit of a trigger for some
  • 00:43:32.032 --> 00:43:34.268
  • People, and i wanna be sensitive while i say it, but one of the
  • 00:43:34.268 --> 00:43:37.538
  • Generations who's the most prone to suicide in the i would argue
  • 00:43:37.538 --> 00:43:42.476
  • The history of the world.
  • 00:43:42.476 --> 00:43:44.945
  • I mean, the suicide rates are-- it is mind blowing, and it is
  • 00:43:44.945 --> 00:43:49.049
  • Gut wrenching how the heights of the suicides, particularly in
  • 00:43:49.049 --> 00:43:53.554
  • Gen z and under, and i felt like the lord told me a while back,
  • 00:43:53.554 --> 00:43:57.725
  • The same generation that would so quickly lay their life on the
  • 00:43:57.725 --> 00:44:02.663
  • Altar of a king named king depression or on the altar of a
  • 00:44:02.663 --> 00:44:07.134
  • King named king anxiety, if i would become the king of their
  • 00:44:07.134 --> 00:44:10.704
  • Heart, they would quickly lay down their life.
  • 00:44:10.704 --> 00:44:14.475
  • If you would so quickly part ways with your life because of
  • 00:44:14.475 --> 00:44:18.078
  • Depression and anxiety, what might happen if you meet jesus?
  • 00:44:18.078 --> 00:44:21.448
  • What would you consider your life?
  • 00:44:21.448 --> 00:44:23.684
  • That old man's crucified with christ.
  • 00:44:23.684 --> 00:44:25.285
  • It's not i who live but christ who lives in me.
  • 00:44:25.285 --> 00:44:28.355
  • I died 2,000 years ago with jesus on that cross, and so
  • 00:44:28.355 --> 00:44:32.526
  • That's what i'm hoping and praying, and i really do believe
  • 00:44:32.526 --> 00:44:35.629
  • God is birthing in a generation is a generation who's not
  • 00:44:35.629 --> 00:44:38.999
  • Clinging to this side of the river but understands i still
  • 00:44:38.999 --> 00:44:42.302
  • Want to play my part, i wanna come together, you know?
  • 00:44:42.302 --> 00:44:45.472
  • I think that's one of the things we've seen in the past is we're
  • 00:44:45.472 --> 00:44:48.442
  • So doomsday, we've got this doomsday mentality that we don't
  • 00:44:48.442 --> 00:44:53.413
  • End up raising the next generation, because it's all
  • 00:44:53.413 --> 00:44:55.883
  • About me and mine and my legacy, because i'm not only gonna be
  • 00:44:55.883 --> 00:44:58.552
  • Here for a short time.
  • 00:44:58.552 --> 00:44:59.953
  • Yes, this life is but a vapor, but we have to--we serve a
  • 00:44:59.953 --> 00:45:03.924
  • Generational god.
  • 00:45:03.924 --> 00:45:05.292
  • I think about joseph.
  • 00:45:05.292 --> 00:45:06.627
  • Joseph is one of the most convicting characters in
  • 00:45:06.627 --> 00:45:09.296
  • Scripture to me about this.
  • 00:45:09.296 --> 00:45:10.831
  • Because you see, joseph is one of many brothers, and his
  • 00:45:10.831 --> 00:45:14.701
  • Brothers all get tribes named after them, but there's not a
  • 00:45:14.701 --> 00:45:17.805
  • Tribe of joseph.
  • 00:45:17.805 --> 00:45:19.473
  • What most people believe is joseph came to isaac, or excuse
  • 00:45:19.473 --> 00:45:23.744
  • Me, to jacob, excuse me, and he says, hey, you don't necessarily
  • 00:45:23.744 --> 00:45:28.682
  • Need to give me a tribe, but remember my sons.
  • 00:45:28.682 --> 00:45:30.818
  • He had two sons, ephraim and manasseh.
  • 00:45:30.818 --> 00:45:32.920
  • There's the half tribe of ephraim and the half tribe
  • 00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:35.455
  • Of manasseh.
  • 00:45:35.455 --> 00:45:36.824
  • I really do believe joseph said i don't need anything named
  • 00:45:36.824 --> 00:45:38.692
  • After me, but remember my boys.
  • 00:45:38.692 --> 00:45:40.427
  • I want it to live on through them.
  • 00:45:40.427 --> 00:45:42.062
  • That's the kind of fathers we need who are saying, man, i want
  • 00:45:42.062 --> 00:45:45.265
  • This thing to live beyond me, and i don't even have to
  • 00:45:45.265 --> 00:45:48.368
  • Necessarily be remembered, but i still want to play my part, and
  • 00:45:48.368 --> 00:45:51.205
  • I understand it's important.
  • 00:45:51.205 --> 00:45:52.573
  • Matt: pray for the folks.
  • 00:45:52.573 --> 00:45:53.907
  • Keenan: absolutely.
  • 00:45:53.907 --> 00:45:55.275
  • Father, i just thank you right now for every person who is on
  • 00:45:55.275 --> 00:45:57.144
  • The other side of this camera, this screen, lord, you see them
  • 00:45:57.144 --> 00:46:00.147
  • Right where they are.
  • 00:46:00.147 --> 00:46:01.481
  • Lord, i pray that your hand would reach through right now.
  • 00:46:01.481 --> 00:46:04.318
  • Lord, i even sense that there are people feeling a sensation
  • 00:46:04.318 --> 00:46:07.454
  • In their body.
  • 00:46:07.454 --> 00:46:08.789
  • That is the holy spirit touching your very mortal being
  • 00:46:08.789 --> 00:46:11.692
  • Right now.
  • 00:46:11.692 --> 00:46:13.026
  • Lord, i pray right now that sickness, disease, infirmity
  • 00:46:13.026 --> 00:46:17.998
  • Would be removed now in the mighty name of jesus.
  • 00:46:17.998 --> 00:46:21.435
  • I even--i feel an authority to speak on this, because i've
  • 00:46:21.435 --> 00:46:24.171
  • Confronted it.
  • 00:46:24.171 --> 00:46:25.505
  • Seizures have to stop now in the name of jesus.
  • 00:46:25.505 --> 00:46:28.942
  • I thank you that chronic depression has to stop right now
  • 00:46:28.942 --> 00:46:32.479
  • In the name of jesus.
  • 00:46:32.479 --> 00:46:34.114
  • Lord, i thank you that people are coming back into their right
  • 00:46:34.114 --> 00:46:36.516
  • Mind, mental illness, that no prescription and no doctor's
  • 00:46:36.516 --> 00:46:42.489
  • Note can seem to swing in the right direction by your spirit
  • 00:46:42.489 --> 00:46:45.959
  • And by the wind, the ruach walk of god, you are coming back into
  • 00:46:45.959 --> 00:46:49.596
  • Not just your right mind but being given the mind of christ.
  • 00:46:49.596 --> 00:46:53.834
  • I thank you, lord, that you would begin to prophesy through
  • 00:46:53.834 --> 00:46:56.670
  • Your people, that you would raise up shepherds, that they
  • 00:46:56.670 --> 00:46:59.506
  • Wouldn't just look to the big man on the stage behind a
  • 00:46:59.506 --> 00:47:03.210
  • Pulpit, but they would recognize their spot in the wall, that
  • 00:47:03.210 --> 00:47:06.813
  • They would take their assignment serious.
  • 00:47:06.813 --> 00:47:08.782
  • And lord, i pray that your horn of oil that you have reserved
  • 00:47:08.782 --> 00:47:12.486
  • For them would be poured upon their head now, that they would
  • 00:47:12.486 --> 00:47:16.456
  • Be commissioned and anointed and appointed for today.
  • 00:47:16.456 --> 00:47:20.060
  • From this day forward, regardless of how it's been so
  • 00:47:20.060 --> 00:47:22.729
  • Far, i thank you they are forgiven, i thank you they are
  • 00:47:22.729 --> 00:47:25.532
  • Redeemed, and i thank you that they are anointed right now, and
  • 00:47:25.532 --> 00:47:28.969
  • It is in the mighty name of jesus i pray, amen.
  • 00:47:28.969 --> 00:47:32.272
  • Matt: amen, beautiful.
  • 00:47:32.272 --> 00:47:33.740
  • Laurie: amen.
  • 00:47:33.740 --> 00:47:35.409
  • Matt: i'm declaring prophetically this generation is
  • 00:47:35.409 --> 00:47:38.478
  • In good hands and that there is an army being raised up and that
  • 00:47:38.478 --> 00:47:44.318
  • There's a tenacity that we haven't seen in a number of
  • 00:47:44.318 --> 00:47:47.621
  • Generations here that is gonna change the course of history.
  • 00:47:47.621 --> 00:47:51.825
  • That's that's what i'm--
  • 00:47:51.825 --> 00:47:53.160
  • Now, the only thing i need to correct you on is if john--
  • 00:47:53.160 --> 00:47:59.199
  • Keenan: come, bring it.
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  • Matt: if john is writing in '95.
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  • Keenan: so you think it's before the destruction of the temple?
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  • Matt: of course, so if he is, why is john--hang on, hang on,
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  • I don't have a view.
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  • I'm just saying, but if john is talking about the temple in
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  • Revelation, and he is.
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  • Keenan: right.
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  • Matt: it's not there.
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  • Isn't that a good time to go, well, dog gonnit, it if it
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  • Hadn't been destroyed 25 years ago, we would--why is he
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  • Mentioning the temple when it's gone?
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  • Keenan: that's a fair question.
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  • Matt: thank you.
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  • Keenan: that is a fair question.
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  • Matt: i don't have a view, i'm just saying.
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  • You know what's funny?
  • 00:48:39.773 --> 00:48:41.108
  • You know what's really is my mama was just, you know, she was
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  • A complete--my dad was an engineer, my mom was a
  • 00:48:47.514 --> 00:48:50.350
  • Complete artist.
  • 00:48:50.350 --> 00:48:51.785
  • She had pink hair, you know, she just really kind of out there,
  • 00:48:51.785 --> 00:48:57.057
  • And she read the bible more than anybody i've ever known, and she
  • 00:48:57.057 --> 00:49:01.428
  • Would always, you know, kind of pick at everybody that had the
  • 00:49:01.428 --> 00:49:05.766
  • Standard late-great planet earth, kind of hal lindsey
  • 00:49:05.766 --> 00:49:08.769
  • Dispensational view to the end times, but she never labeled it
  • 00:49:08.769 --> 00:49:13.173
  • Anything, she just had a different view, and guess what?
  • 00:49:13.173 --> 00:49:15.976
  • It doesn't matter what we think is going to happen, god's gonna
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  • Do it the way he's gonna do it regardless.
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  • There might be some bragging rights in the future that, you
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  • Know, in heaven we go, well, you got that right or you got that
  • 00:49:24.518 --> 00:49:27.387
  • Right or you got that right, and there might be some discussions
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  • That would be kind of fun in heaven, but the idea that the
  • 00:49:30.157 --> 00:49:35.429
  • Author and that john wrote after the temple, mentions the temple,
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  • And it's not there, that's kind of interesting.
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  • Keenan: you're giving me something to look into.
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  • No, i need to look into this now, because that has not been
  • 00:49:45.072 --> 00:49:47.741
  • Brought to my attention.
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  • No, that's good.
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  • I like it a lot.
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  • Matt: okay, final thought is yours.
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  • This generation, this whole thing, put a little--land this
  • 00:49:53.580 --> 00:49:57.150
  • Plane and your--final thought is yours, sir.
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  • Keenan: i think you're exactly right.
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  • They're in good hands, and i know you're giving me a
  • 00:50:00.754 --> 00:50:02.589
  • Compliment, and i do appreciate that, but they're in good hands,
  • 00:50:02.589 --> 00:50:05.358
  • Because they're in the hands of jesus christ, and he is at work,
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  • And as we said at the beginning of this, he is sovereign.
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  • This generation did not sneak up on him.
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  • In the same way so many like older people that i know are
  • 00:50:15.435 --> 00:50:18.705
  • Scratching their heads, this generation, he's not echoing
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  • That, like he's not in that group.
  • 00:50:22.342 --> 00:50:23.844
  • He's not in that group text, he has left that thread a long time
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  • Ago, and he is championing this next generation.
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  • He is awakening this next generation.
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  • I know of people who are being visited by jesus, dreams in the
  • 00:50:31.718 --> 00:50:35.222
  • Night, i mean like quite, quite crazy stuff, being set on fire
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  • For the things of god, not religion, for the genuine things
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  • Of god, a genuine move of the spirit.
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  • But then jesus says this in john chapter 4. he says this, "the
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  • Father is searching for those who will worship him in spirit
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  • And in truth."
  • 00:50:54.574 --> 00:50:55.909
  • For so long there have been those camps that have been
  • 00:50:55.909 --> 00:50:59.012
  • Divided, right?
  • 00:50:59.012 --> 00:51:00.747
  • We've either got the spirit camp, or you've got the truth
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  • Camp, and the spirit camp doesn't know much of the truth,
  • 00:51:03.383 --> 00:51:05.919
  • And the truth camp doesn't know many things of the spirit, but
  • 00:51:05.919 --> 00:51:08.622
  • The father is looking for those who will come together and
  • 00:51:08.622 --> 00:51:11.591
  • Worship him in spirit and truth, and guess what?
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  • You and i have been nominated to be the generation that can bring
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  • Spirit and truth together and say, hey, i can bring my
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  • Intellect, i can bring the historical facts, i can argue
  • 00:51:23.803 --> 00:51:27.073
  • From logic, but at the same time, our god transcends all of
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  • Those things, and he is spirit.
  • 00:51:30.243 --> 00:51:33.013
  • And sadly, other generations were nominated for the same
  • 00:51:33.013 --> 00:51:35.849
  • Thing, but can i just tell you something?
  • 00:51:35.849 --> 00:51:37.384
  • They settled with being denominated.
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  • They were denominated, and we're just gonna stick to our little
  • 00:51:40.453 --> 00:51:43.089
  • Camp, and we're gonna adhere to our little things, and we don't
  • 00:51:43.089 --> 00:51:45.292
  • Want any of that over here.
  • 00:51:45.292 --> 00:51:46.726
  • We can't settle for being denominated.
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  • We've gotta recognize that we've been nominated to carry the
  • 00:51:48.595 --> 00:51:51.898
  • Torch of the gospel of jesus.
  • 00:51:51.898 --> 00:51:53.600
  • Matt: you have proven one thing.
  • 00:51:53.600 --> 00:51:55.335
  • Keenan: hmm?
  • 00:51:55.335 --> 00:51:56.703
  • Matt: you're a preacher.
  • 00:51:56.703 --> 00:51:58.171
  • You have no idea how to land a plane.
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  • Keenan: no idea.
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  • Matt: you're preaching.
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  • We'll see you next time.
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  • We're out of time.
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  • Bye-bye.
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