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Leon Patillo: From Santana to Salvation | Praise

June 16, 2026 | 52:20

Matt and Laurie Crouch welcome former Santana lead singer Leon Patillo for a powerful conversation about faith, restoration, and using music to reach a hurting generation.

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Praise | Leon Patillo: From Santana to Salvation | Praise | June 16, 2026

Coming up tonight on praise,
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He said, well, how would you like to be saved?
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I said, man, i can't be saved. i mess up the whole kingdom.
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He said, no, you won't. he said, pray with me.
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You'll see.
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God will make a change in your life.
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That was the beginning stage of me getting saved.
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And of course i couldn't keep my mouth shut.
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I go back to the santana group and i lit them up.
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Tonight on praise from dallas,
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Former santana, lead singer, christian musician and
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Motivational speaker leon patillo.
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And now your hosts, matt and laurie crouch.
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Look at that beautiful,
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Handsome face back there behind us.
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That is the face of leon patillo.
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That's right. leon. come on now.
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All right, baby.
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We've known each other for a long, long time.
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Yeah. we go back to the early 80s.
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Yeah. '84 i think, was the first time.
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And you had transitioned from
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Secular music into christian music.
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Your first music
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Christian title,
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Dance, children dance.
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Yes. can you imagine pastor chuck smith letting me
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Get away with that?
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Come on now.
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And he doesn't even dance.
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So i told him, i said, we're
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Going to hit the young audience.
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Just let's roll there for a little bit.
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And he-- hit me with a little
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Dance, children, dance.
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I mean, some of it.
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♪ dance, children, dance ♪
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♪ children, dance to me ♪
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Come on now.
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♪ dance children, dance, ♪
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♪ children, i have set you free ♪
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There it is.
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Yeah! dance! that's it.
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Dance, man. so, you know.
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So chuck was good at that.
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You were coming out of the real secular
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Major music the group.
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Santana. yeah.
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Your first gig, you played to 60,000 people.
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And we're going to get to that here in a minute.
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But maranatha music took a chance on you.
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Here you are all these years later, still serving jesus.
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Yeah. love that.
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Yeah. well, you know, when you get with that kind of group of
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People, they surround you with their anointing.
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Come on now.
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And pastor chuck just had it, man.
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He just understood when people were trying to transition from
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Something and don't know where they're going, don't know
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How to go up the road of christ,
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Chuck just put his arms around me.
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He just said, okay, it's all right.
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I got you, baby, i got you.
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And so he took me through a two year bible study course.
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There it is.
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And then he took me over to israel so i could actually see
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The place i had just studied about.
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And it was really funny.
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We were over doing something for prime minister begin,
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And he needed music.
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So i did the music for it, and i said, well, pastor chuck,
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Since we're here, you know, the
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Jordan river is just right over there.
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I said, can you baptize me in the jordan?
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So he actually took me over to jordan river and baptized me.
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Your first album,
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Christian album--
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Yeah. on maranatha music.
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Yes. they had-- their company name was asaph. asaph music
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And they had a building there in costa mesa.
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Okay.
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Laurie and i leased about half of that building and the other
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Half was dedicated to music.
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We kind of did the tv stuff.
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We did a bunch of tv out of that building.
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Yeah. and so we date back to the time when chris taylor was
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Mixing and mastering your album. yes.
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I was in the control room with chris a lot, mixing your
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First christian song,
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Yeah. dance, children's dance.
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I remember it to this day.
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And i was in that control room with chris, who taught me audio
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All those years ago.
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That's amazing.
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We're talking--
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What are we talking, 40 something years ago?
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Yeah, well, actually, he was my engineer for the session.
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And since i couldn't get the musicians i really wanted to
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Have play on my album, i did all of the instruments.
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That's right.
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I remember him telling you that you played everything.
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Every instrument, and it was out of necessity.
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It wasn't because i'm all that.
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It was just necessity.
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A budget thing.
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No, it was a budget thing.
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You're kind of all that leon.
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So i said, i think i can get this foot going.
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Let me see.
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So yeah, we ended up doing the whole album, you know, myself.
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And it was funny because, uh,
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Chuck fromme who's chuck smith's nephew,
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He let me stay in his house.
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Look at that.
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So from 12 midnight till about eight in the morning, i'm
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Recording, and then i go home to his house.
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They're doing construction across the street.
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Oh, hey.
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So for three months, i never slept.
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Oh, wow. come on now.
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So it was just really like, god, just squeezing me,
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Getting all the juice out.
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And then tossing a little earth, wind, and fire.
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Ah.
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We're going to get to that.
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Okay. let's start.
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Okay, first of all, we've known each other forever.
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Yes. okay.
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Love you. love you dearly.
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Love you too, man.
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I got to tell you something.
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Laurie and i performed on michael jackson's album.
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Laurie and i performed on his album.
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What are you talking about?
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Okay, okay.
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I told him not to sing or snap.
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Wait wait wait wait wait. you cannot sing.
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You gotta snap. do the tone
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Because i don't know it.
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♪ you are not alone ♪
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Okay. sing it.
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♪ i am here with you ♪
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This is what i was doing. [snapping]
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Really?
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♪ though you're far away ♪
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Yeah. yeah.
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Okay. i was snapping, yeah.
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And i was clapping.
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And andre crouch was the reason. andre brought the whole choir
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In with sandra. oh.
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And andre called and said, hey, come, come be a
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Part of the choir.
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Because he could. he could.
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Yeah.
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[imitates andre crouch] because i'm gonna be with
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Michael jackson. and he said, you come down.
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And i made the mistake of parking in michael's spot.
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I didn't realize that. come on.
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And some big dudes came in and go, all right, who's got that
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Black car out back?
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You're in the--
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Ahh! you know, so yeah.
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So but michael was there all day.
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We met him and he, we, he was, he was doing he, you know, he,
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He was really a talented guy.
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I mean, he was singing into the little microphone in the booth.
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And anyway, so you didn't know that about us, that we performed
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On you are not alone.
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I don't think we were credited.
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It didn't say like matt and laurie crouch.
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I was afraid they were going to take us off in handcuffs.
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We were-- i think we were--
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We were in the choir.
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Okay. we were there that day in hollywood somewhere.
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One of those little studios.
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Can we see it on youtube?
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Can we? no.
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Put it up on youtube and see? no.
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No. there weren't, there weren't cameras.
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Weren't shooting any,
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We weren't shooting any video.
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Oh, you weren't shooting video then?
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Oh, i'm not even sure
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We had cell phones with cameras in it.
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Aah. okay.
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I'll give you my autograph later.
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Okay. okay.
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The other thing i want to tell
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You is that back in the early 80s.
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I came to your house.
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With jim hodson.
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Somewhere in california.
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Santa cruz.
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Okay. you lived in santa cruz.
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I remember that. all right.
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So you lived in the woods, like--
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Yeah, it was about five acres.
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Yeah. it was a woody area.
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You know, you had big, those big kind of big trees.
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Yes. all right.
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Yeah. so we're doing an interview with you because of
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Your new album videos on real videos.
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Way back in the day. i remember that.
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We were shooting a sequence with you and
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You're doing like an altar call.
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Okay. yeah. maybe you're going
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To remember this in here in a second.
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Mhm.
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You jump up on the hood of your giant white mercedes benz and
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You're sitting on the front quarter panel.
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Yes, i remember.
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So you do like, you do like this,
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Like this is the car. yeah.
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You know, you jump up like this and you're sitting
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On your car like this. yes.
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Okay. yes.
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And i'm standing on one side of you, and jim's on the
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Other side of you like this.
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So you're like this.
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And when you're done, you do like this and you kick your
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Feet out and you kind of jump, stand.
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You land like this on the ground.
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Yeah, but you were wearing parachute pants.
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Yes.
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And you had a rivet on the back of your pants and you ripped a
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Scratch all the--
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Do you remember that?
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Yeah. you know what else was there?
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What? a dent?
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Where you--
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So it was a scratch and a dent.
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So you're live on camera. yeah.
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You can't cuss, you know, even though--
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I better not.
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Not in front of the world, right? you were about to.
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But you all the way down to the metal.
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And you did like this.
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You turned around and you saw that scratch and you turned
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Back around and and you, you
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Just, you just played it super cool.
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And jim and i just, you know, our eyes got huge.
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Oh, no.
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Thank god it wasn't our pants.
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Thank god i didn't do that. yeah.
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And i mean, it was the biggest
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Mercedes i'd ever seen in my life.
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Yes. and i don't know how you order them the size of
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Busses, but somehow you ordered a mercedes.
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A friend of mine, um, actually had a lot and a lot of the
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Guys, because we were close to san francisco, so all the 49ers
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Would come down and buy cars from their mercedes
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And rolls royces and that sort of thing.
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But he couldn't make enough money to keep the place going,
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So he had to cut in half.
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And on the other side of his lot, he had toyotas
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And little cars like that.
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But that's where i got the car from.
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He ordered this one from europe. yeah.
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So it was just the most sleek thing.
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I think that was 84, 84 mercedes.
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Well, i remember
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About to cry on your behalf because the the scratch in your
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Mercedes was about seven inches
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Long all the way down to the metal.
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Yeah.
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And there's curls of paint falling down to the ground.
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Yeah. and-- -- or anything.
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No. you put $1,000 to give your insurance company $1,000, and
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They pay for the rest. but that was deductible.
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Yeah. that was that was a sad day.
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When did you find god? what's your story?
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You know, for me, uh, mom and dad were christians,
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And so mom was baptist.
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Daddy was methodist. okay.
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So we jumped between churches every other sunday.
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It was really kind of weird.
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And then when they didn't feel like going to church, they sent
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Me down to the local catholic church.
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Okay. so i had a real overview.
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Well rounded. yeah, of the nominations in those days.
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And then the hollywood scene
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Started to kind of pull me away.
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The music kind of took me in that direction, and i got a
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Call from carlos santana asking me to come,
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I was in la with my little band, to come back to san francisco
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And sing on an album.
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And i said, somebody's got to be pulling my leg, man.
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This has got to be a joke.
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Carlos santana wants me to sing on an album.
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Why don't they have a lead vocalist?
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What happened to greg? yeah. so
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And then when i got up to his house, it was explained to me
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That, um, greg left and he started journey.
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And now we need a new lead vocalist.
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Wow. and so i came in the house and it's funny because debbie,
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His wife, was there and she
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Opened the door and i said, oh, debbie.
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Because we'd gone to school together.
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So i said, hey, this is debbie.
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I said, girl, she's-- she's a, she's the maid.
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This is great.
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She's, she's really risen to a level.
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And so carlos came up behind me, hugged me and said, hey,
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You met my wife? i said, ooh, your wife?
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I said, i'm glad i didn't call her the maid.
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So anyway, we went downstairs
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And we started doing all the hits.
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Black magic woman, where you come by, got to change
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Your evil ways. all those.
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And carlos right then just decided he wanted me to be the
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Next lead vocalist for the
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Group, not just sing on the album.
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My goodness.
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And like we were talking about, i had only sang in front of 600
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People my whole career.
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And he said, my first concert, uh, it was going to be at kezar
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Stadium where the 49ers play and we're going to have
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60,000 people. my goodness.
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So it was just an amazing thing.
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But at the same time, i'm dating a girl in san francisco.
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Her brother is a christian.
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So every time i come to the
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House to see her, here he comes. yeah.
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Um. the lord wants you to be saved.
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I said, man-- you had to--
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You had to put up with it. yeah.
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Because the girl. because of her.
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I kept telling him, i said, i'm already saved.
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That's why i'm in the santana group.
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I'm saved.
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Yeah. and he said, yeah, but
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Temporal things shall pass away.
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I said, yeah, but they cool for right now.
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[laughter]
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So every time i come to the house, here he comes, the lord
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This, the lord that.
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So i figured maybe i could beep the horn for her outside.
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Then i'd avoid seeing him.
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You didn't have to go in. very classy.
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My mama didn't like that
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When i was telling her what was happening. she said, that's,
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That's not classy, son.
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You don't do that sort of thing.
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But it just then, after about three weeks,
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Next thing i know, here he comes.
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So wait a minute. where's the girl?
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So finally we,
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I decided i'd go to a bible study.
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I figured if i go to the bible
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Study, maybe i could learn some scripture
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So when i came to the house, i could just quote him some
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Scriptures, step around him and go see the sister.
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Yeah. man, i got to this bible study.
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Laurie, i tell you, it was
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Amazing what they were talking about.
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Wasn't really heavy, but i could tell god was kind of
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Picking on me a little bit.
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And i just i could feel the words just kind of engulfing me
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Like that, that kind of way, you know?
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Oh, the words just--
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And i'd feel a hug from the lord.
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But they didn't,
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They didn't pray after. i was, i was wondering how come they
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Didn't pray after.
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So we get back to his driveway.
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Now this is the picture.
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We're on the corner of hate and ashbury.
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Come on now.
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That's the big drug.
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Yeah, block haight ashbury, that's where they lived.
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So we're sitting in my.
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I had a little sports car in those days.
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Not a.
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Mercedes.
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But.
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A.
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Little sports car top is down sitting on this corner.
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And he says, how'd you like to meet him?
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I said, well, the meeting was good.
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I said, let's go in the house.
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He said, wait.
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He said, well, how would you like to be saved?
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I said, man, i can't be saved.
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I mess up the whole kingdom.
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He said, no, you won't.
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He said, pray with me. you'll see.
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God will make a change in your life.
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Mhm.
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I said okay. this i got to see.
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And i knew from sunday school,
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You know, baptist, methodist, catholic,
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This is what you do.
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So while i'm like this, his hand starts coming up my arm.
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I said, hey, hey, man, what you doing?
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Hey. hey.
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He said, well, us christians, we hold hands when we pray.
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I said, i just wasn't used to that.
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I know this was san francisco, but i just wasn't used to this,
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You know, hanging that kind of way.
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So i said, well, here, grab my
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Wrist and i will pray like this.
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He said, okay.
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And so i'm looking over at him a little bit.
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One eye like this.
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I said, come on.
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He said, the lord and the lord and the lord and the lord.
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Okay? and come into my life.
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Come into to my life.
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And so right there in this funny position, it's like this,
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The holy ghost just hits me. wow.
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It's funny because it's actually 4th of july.
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You know, some people say i got saved.
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I didn't know fireworks was going.
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Fireworks was really going on over my head.
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There was a fireworks and boom.
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And i can imagine. even now, i
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Can imagine those angels in heaven.
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It's like they were just dancing on the clouds.
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That's when the explosion would happen.
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As i look back, that's what i kept--
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It wasn't just explosions.
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I know the angels was dancing.
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So anyway, that was the
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Beginning stage of me getting saved.
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And of course, i couldn't keep my mouth shut.
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I go back to the santana group and i lit them up.
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I did the same thing that they did to me on the bible study.
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So anyway, but that was that was the beginning stage.
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Wow. okay. santana,
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You joined in in the early 70s, just after, um, uh, what was
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That big event that-- woodstock.
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Woodstock? yeah.
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I am not quite old enough to,
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To know much of what that is.
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But our board member, colby,
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Who was at woodstock.
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Hey, colby.
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Yeah. colby,
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He got saved later.
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But yeah, he was at woodstock.
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He's going to love that.
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And so you joined santana as the lead vocal.
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Carlos santana.
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Yeah. the goat of all guitar players in the world.
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Even now. still at it.
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Still going, going strong.
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Yeah. we both live in vegas.
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And he's at the mandalay bay right now.
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You turn. you toured with santana.
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Yeah. for, you know, most of the 70s.
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Mm-hmm. and who'd you play with?
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What was-- okay.
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So the big one was, of course, we were out with the stones and
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Of course we were out with jimi hendrix.
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You're talking about rolling rolling stones?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, the rolling stones.
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Yes. we'd be the opening act.
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And then they would close out. okay.
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But we took earth, wind and fire to europe with us.
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And then they were the opening
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Group and we were the main event.
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Yeah.
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And it was really funny because sometimes you get a little bit
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Of an attitude.
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Santana we were sitting on one side of the plate.
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Earth, wind and fire was on the other.
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Now this is just after i get saved.
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Wow.
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So i'm still, i'm still in the group.
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A lot of people telling me you
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Need to get out of that secular group.
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You know, you just got saved.
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You need to get out of that secular group.
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But i kept telling him, i said, i think god is going to use me
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On the secular side for something.
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I don't know what, but i just kept feeling that in my heart.
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So this is the first opportunity.
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The lord said, okay, well, there's philip bailey sitting
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Over there and two other guys.
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You go over and talk to him.
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Don't be like the rest of the group.
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So i took my bible and i went over and i started talking to
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Philip, and i told him, i said, man, i love how you singing.
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I just come to a conversation.
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And he said, well, what's that under your arm?
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I said, it's my bible.
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He said, do you know anything about that book?
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I said, well, a little bit.
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I've only been saved about six months.
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I said, well, i know a little bit.
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Philip suggested, why don't you teach us after the shows?
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My goodness. wow.
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So during the day i'd have to study.
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I took, i knew to take the book
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Of john, so i took the book of john.
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I'd go through it the best i could.
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I'd try to find some commentary in the back and see what they
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Said about it, and then i--
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Okay. was the jesus movement
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Still kind of happening at that point?
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I mean, was there was there a little bit of--
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Beginning. it was beginning.
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Yeah. because when i went left there, i went with chuck, you
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Know, and that's when that whole thing started.
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But, um, with philip, it was something that he thought about
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After he got saved. on that trip, he, andrew woolfolk and
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Larry dunn got saved on that trip.
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He suggested coming back to la
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And going and get all of our friends.
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So we did something called jesus at the roxy.
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Come on now.
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And i think that was probably the first real big movement of
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The artists in those days, because we had donna summer
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Came and smokey robinson came, and marilyn mccoo and billy
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Davis, all those people came to the concert.
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We had to do four concerts.
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There were so many people that came because we got through it
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First when it was still a line of people.
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Wow. so we ended up having to do a second show on friday
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Night, and then the owner of the club said, well, those
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People want to come back and see you again.
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So we had to do two more shows on saturday.
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At the end of each show, we would give an altar call.
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Thank you, lord.
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So that's donna summer's stood up and then smokey
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Robinson stood up.
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They put their drinks down and they put the cigarettes out
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And received the lord.
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So we started having bible studies at my house in bel air.
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Was staying in bel air at the time, and that was kind of the
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Beginning of kind of the musicians and the artists
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In that area.
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And there was a guy named frank wilson who actually led it.
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He was the producer at motown.
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So it was easy for him to get to smokey and some of the guys
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That were coming to the bible study.
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Okay, so you tour with the stones, you tour with earth,
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Wind and fire, you play, you know, dates throughout the 70s
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With santana as the lead singer.
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Yes. and you feel a call--
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Yes. to stay there.
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Yeah. and use that platform to
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Win people to jesus on airplanes.
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Yeah. so you felt that naturally. by the way,
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You know, you,
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That's not normal.
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No, it's not normal.
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It's not normal. right. right.
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Most people would have said, no, you've got to, you've got
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To exit all of that.
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And you felt instinctually to stay where god had planted you.
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Yeah. and grow there.
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Yeah. it was funny. that's beautiful.
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Every time they would come and say, hey, what are you doing?
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You know, you got a little something, something like that.
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I'd take them in the back room if it was hendrix or whoever it
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Was, joan baez,
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They'd all come knocking on my door, wanting to see
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If i had any drugs.
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So i'd take them into the back room and i'd open up my bible.
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And i said, here, hit some of that.
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So it just gave me a chance to minister to just everybody that
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We took because bill graham was our minister, manager.
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Yeah. you said, did you just breeze by jimi hendrix?
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Did you, did you, you meant jimi hendrix, right?
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Yeah. but, you know,
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We're running with, these are
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Just people because of bill graham.
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Bill graham was our manager and he was the one that hooked up,
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Uh, woodstock.
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He did fillmore east, fillmore west.
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He had he had all the musicians in his back pocket.
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So anytime he wanted to do a festival for 2 or 3 days, he
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Could just make phone calls.
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But you did say jimi hendrix, right?
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Jimi hendrix. yeah. okay.
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Yeah. so you shared the lord with jimi hendrix.
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Was arthur blessitt around?
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I didn't see him.
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I think he was one of them down the street.
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Okay. yeah.
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He had a cross. yeah.
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He would run up and down the street.
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I said, man, come in here and help me with these.
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When you were saying that, i was thinking of him saying,
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Hey, man, you got some reds?
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Yeah. so arthur would actually do some of that. bill gazzarri
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Of gazzarri's on the sunset strip would let arthur
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Do some of those
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Jesus-a-go-go's or something, he called them.
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Yeah. okay.
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And he would, he would let arthur preach and give gospel
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Presentations at gazzarri's. really?
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On the sunset strip up and down to that same era.
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Oh, and it felt like, you know, there was a lot going on.
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So you you shared the lord with jimi hendrix.
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You you shared the lord with joan baez.
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Who, who did god bring through-- not only santana, he led the
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Carlos to the lord. yeah.
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But who else walked through that season of
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Time that you were being obedient?
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Like i said, billy davis and marilyn mccoo, they also came
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To the roxy. they'll tell the story.
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I think they may have given their testimony here that they
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Came to roxy and that's where they met the lord.
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That's awesome.
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So that, that was huge, man.
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So then when you guys started
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The show that i did leon and friends--
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Yeah. that's why i took all of them and brought them on,
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Because they wanted to give their testimony of what god had
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Done in their life.
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So when i saw barry here today, i was just blown away because
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We go back 30 some odd years.
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Sheila walsh, who is over in the other studio, did better
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Together today for me.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But she she's married to barry.
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And so 36 years ago at tbn--
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Yeah. barry starts producing--
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Leon and friends right there in tustin.
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Philip bailey, brought him over.
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Of course, we had bible studies at my house, and i had never
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Really, uh, talked business with them.
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To me, that was kind of like business, going out and doing
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Concerts or whatever like that.
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And i told him, i said, well, i'll have an opportunity to do
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A show at tbn.
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And they said, okay.
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I said, would you guys be willing to come on
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And give your testimony?
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They didn't even think about it.
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They just like right away they
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Said, yeah, we'll, we'll come on.
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Let's go to kind of the era where you find what you wanted
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To do for god.
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Now, look, you've done a bunch of music, okay?
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So, yeah. you know, we're
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Talking about music this whole thing.
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Yeah. but there has been some offshoots of things that god's
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Put in your heart to do.
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You're residing in las vegas now.
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Mm-mhm.
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You've got some stuff going on there.
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How did you transition to hearing the lord
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Uh, in regard to what is meaningful to you now?
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Uh, this is funny, man.
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I know we're having a joy- filled program today, so i know
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This is probably more of a serious point, but it still has
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Such joy around it. the way that the lord always does
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Things with me,
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It seems like it always has, uh, something a little
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Different than maybe how somebody else does it.
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But i was asking him, i said, lord, i know you've got more
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For me to do.
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And i look at all these people that are getting saved in a
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Secular industry.
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And he said, yeah, i do,
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Leon. i'm hearing this kind of quietly in my heart.
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He said, i really want you to get out of the group now.
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Oh.
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I said, oh lord, i shouldn't have even asked--
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So that was late 70s, maybe?
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Yeah. okay.
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Yeah. yeah.
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So i'm saying, well, do what?
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He said, well, i want you to kind of go into
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Missionary kind of work.
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I don't even know what that means because the jesus thing
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Has just started and there's no
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Music that's got no beat in it yet.
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You know, we're still singing amazing grace
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And how great thou art. yeah.
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There's nothing that's got something, you know that
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You could do your head like this.
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So i said, well, what am i going to fit
00:25:38.727 --> 00:25:41.262
With my head going like this?
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And so anyway, he just said, you just get out the group.
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That's the first thing you do. oh.
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So i had to go to bill graham.
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Bill graham,
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I have never heard him speak english.
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Every other sentence is.
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Got some letters and words,
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Four letter words in it,
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And i knew when i had to go to him and say, i got to get out
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Of this group, i was going to get, he was going to
00:26:01.416 --> 00:26:05.020
Let me have it.
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So i got up the nerve.
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I took the deep breaths and i went to bill.
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I said, bill,
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I said, i'm going to have to get out of the group because
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The lord is calling me in a missionary work.
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And he said, well, leon, what we decided to do, we you've
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.869
Been pretty religious around here.
00:26:20.869 --> 00:26:22.137
He said, well, we decided to do,
00:26:22.137 --> 00:26:23.238
We're going to we're going to double your income.
00:26:23.238 --> 00:26:25.573
Oh, i said, double my income? hey.
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I said, well, look, let me go
00:26:28.810 --> 00:26:30.412
Home and pray about this one time.
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Let me see if this really is the lord.
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So i go home and pray.
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And i come back and you know, lord told me, get out.
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So i said, bill, i got to get out of the group.
00:26:41.523 --> 00:26:44.626
He said, well, look,
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How would you like triple the money?
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Oh. wow.
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I said, you know what?
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I gotta go home and pray about this us one more time.
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So i went home and prayed.
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Lord said, get out the group, get out.
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So i go back.
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He goes four times on me-- wow.
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In this last meeting, so i didn't have to go home
00:27:01.976 --> 00:27:04.379
This time. i just went out to my car.
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I said, look, i'll be right back.
00:27:05.980 --> 00:27:07.282
And i took my bible and i,
00:27:07.849 --> 00:27:09.918
And i, you know, you know, your own bible.
00:27:09.918 --> 00:27:11.653
So i'm trying to find something in there that, you know,
00:27:11.653 --> 00:27:14.689
I stick my hand in here.
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And hopefully it will stay where you are planted.
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Deuteronomy, yeah,
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28, you see how many stars i got?
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I'm in ezra. you go--
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I didn't know my bible was
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Upside down, but i'm sticking out--
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I said, i got it.
00:27:28.436 --> 00:27:29.704
This is in deuteronomy right here, because that's before the
00:27:29.704 --> 00:27:31.873
Tabs and all the dips and stuff.
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So i knew that was deuteronomy.
00:27:33.508 --> 00:27:35.210
I said, mhm! um, bibles upside down.
00:27:35.210 --> 00:27:39.481
And judas went out and hung himself.
00:27:40.248 --> 00:27:42.684
Hey oh.
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I said, oh man, i got to get out the group.
00:27:43.718 --> 00:27:47.355
So and then the first thing he
00:27:47.989 --> 00:27:49.457
Has me do, i gotta get rid of --
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Now, by this time i do have a mercedes, so i had to get rid
00:27:51.259 --> 00:27:54.696
Of the mercedes.
00:27:54.696 --> 00:27:55.830
He's whispering that to me, and i think it's just,
00:27:55.830 --> 00:27:59.100
On a ministry tip.
00:27:59.100 --> 00:28:00.468
I really believe some of us are like that.
00:28:00.468 --> 00:28:03.371
We get to what they call the eye of the needle.
00:28:03.371 --> 00:28:05.840
I feel like sometimes you have to get down on your hands and
00:28:05.840 --> 00:28:08.810
Knees, and you have to take all that stuff off, and you crawl
00:28:08.810 --> 00:28:12.046
Through to the other side.
00:28:12.046 --> 00:28:13.948
Then god can trust you, or you can put that stuff back.
00:28:13.948 --> 00:28:17.585
And with me, that's what he was saying to me.
00:28:17.585 --> 00:28:19.487
He said, you can't just carry
00:28:19.487 --> 00:28:20.955
All this just right on in the ministry.
00:28:20.955 --> 00:28:23.658
I'm going to have to strip you down.
00:28:23.658 --> 00:28:24.959
I got to work with you a little
00:28:24.959 --> 00:28:26.060
Bit before you're ready for my use.
00:28:26.060 --> 00:28:28.229
I have a cross over here for you to pick up now.
00:28:28.229 --> 00:28:30.598
You're going to have to lay all that other stuff.
00:28:30.598 --> 00:28:32.367
Yeah, it was a little different world.
00:28:32.367 --> 00:28:34.068
And again, there was nobody out.
00:28:34.068 --> 00:28:36.371
I mean, mahalia jackson and
00:28:36.371 --> 00:28:37.772
Maybe, uh, andre crouch like that.
00:28:37.772 --> 00:28:40.608
But that's big choirs and you know,
00:28:40.608 --> 00:28:44.345
That kind of, it wasn't, it wasn't that thing like,
00:28:44.345 --> 00:28:47.081
You know what i mean?
00:28:47.081 --> 00:28:48.016
So so i said, well, how are we going,
00:28:48.016 --> 00:28:50.151
How are we going to put
00:28:50.151 --> 00:28:50.785
Something, even move?
00:28:50.785 --> 00:28:51.953
Like i want to put a little something to it.
00:28:51.953 --> 00:28:54.589
So and that's when chuck, pastor chuck said, okay, you
00:28:54.589 --> 00:28:57.258
Could do dance, children dance and put that on the album.
00:28:57.258 --> 00:28:59.994
And that became a whole nother group of people that were
00:28:59.994 --> 00:29:02.730
Coming to concerts.
00:29:02.730 --> 00:29:04.032
We didn't have no drums.
00:29:04.032 --> 00:29:05.200
No drums were allowed in those days.
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.569
Wow. no electric guitars.
00:29:07.569 --> 00:29:09.838
So it was really, it was really pioneering.
00:29:09.838 --> 00:29:13.575
So the lord had me at the beginning stage of contemporary
00:29:13.575 --> 00:29:16.544
Christian music to kind of pioneer through that.
00:29:16.544 --> 00:29:19.314
I mean, looking back now. at the time, we didn't know
00:29:19.314 --> 00:29:21.416
What we were doing.
00:29:21.416 --> 00:29:22.684
Were just following god, but it ended up being a movement.
00:29:22.684 --> 00:29:25.787
Okay. what official year did dance, children, dance come out?
00:29:25.787 --> 00:29:29.090
1981.
00:29:29.090 --> 00:29:30.859
So you basically were at the very beginning--
00:29:30.859 --> 00:29:35.496
Yes. of what we now call contemporary christian music.
00:29:35.496 --> 00:29:39.234
Yes. yes.
00:29:39.234 --> 00:29:40.001
Maranatha. chuck smith. yes.
00:29:40.001 --> 00:29:42.136
Gave you some leeway to--
00:29:42.136 --> 00:29:44.606
Can you, can you do the head movement thing?
00:29:44.606 --> 00:29:46.608
Yeah. to have a little
00:29:46.608 --> 00:29:48.343
Something, something. give me a little beat.
00:29:48.343 --> 00:29:50.044
I was the only one, man.
00:29:50.044 --> 00:29:51.312
I was the only brother in the whole thing.
00:29:51.312 --> 00:29:53.014
Because we had love song.
00:29:53.014 --> 00:29:54.382
This was a little-- what?
00:29:54.382 --> 00:29:55.884
I said we had love song.
00:29:55.884 --> 00:29:57.151
Yeah, yeah. remember love song?
00:29:57.151 --> 00:29:58.186
That's right. that wasn't your kind of music.
00:29:58.186 --> 00:30:00.054
It wasn't my style.
00:30:00.054 --> 00:30:01.289
But, you know, they kind of leaned on me to for the, you
00:30:01.289 --> 00:30:04.359
Know, anything that got to do with something like that, they
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:06.628
Lean on me for that part of it.
00:30:06.628 --> 00:30:08.162
And so it would, it would get everybody,
00:30:08.162 --> 00:30:10.498
So sometimes they start me off the concert,
00:30:10.498 --> 00:30:12.233
I'd start off, and love song
00:30:12.233 --> 00:30:13.635
Would come on after. sometime
00:30:13.635 --> 00:30:15.270
They'd vice versa if they wanted something more soulful
00:30:15.270 --> 00:30:18.439
At the end, you know, kind of thing.
00:30:18.439 --> 00:30:20.275
So but it was a, it was a great time.
00:30:20.275 --> 00:30:21.876
But, you know, and i just i asked you before the program if
00:30:21.876 --> 00:30:25.480
I could be real, but it's just, you know, you even when you
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:28.616
Become a christian, sometimes everything about you doesn't
00:30:28.616 --> 00:30:32.887
Just kind of sync right up-- right.
00:30:32.887 --> 00:30:35.156
With christianity.
00:30:35.156 --> 00:30:36.257
You got a relationship going, but there's areas,
00:30:36.257 --> 00:30:39.127
Especially if you--
00:30:39.127 --> 00:30:40.395
For me, the music seemed to be almost the same as secular
00:30:40.395 --> 00:30:45.300
Because here i am, i'm up on stage.
00:30:45.300 --> 00:30:47.936
They got lights.
00:30:47.936 --> 00:30:49.370
People are asking me for the autograph.
00:30:50.204 --> 00:30:52.573
People are taking pictures.
00:30:52.573 --> 00:30:54.409
Smile with the group. you know, all that kind of stuff.
00:30:54.409 --> 00:30:57.278
It's the same like the secular world.
00:30:57.278 --> 00:30:59.013
Yeah. sometimes if you don't
00:30:59.013 --> 00:31:01.416
Have accountability,
00:31:01.883 --> 00:31:04.352
You can get sucked right back out into that same lifestyle.
00:31:04.352 --> 00:31:09.891
That happened to me before you guys came.
00:31:09.891 --> 00:31:14.162
But, uh, i said, well, lord, what should i do?
00:31:14.162 --> 00:31:17.398
I've been doing your work, but i'm just, i'm some, i'm out of
00:31:17.398 --> 00:31:22.070
My mind right now.
00:31:22.070 --> 00:31:23.538
160 concerts a year.
00:31:23.538 --> 00:31:25.406
I had no accountability.
00:31:25.907 --> 00:31:27.709
None of that.
00:31:28.076 --> 00:31:29.110
And it just, it took me down a terrible road.
00:31:29.110 --> 00:31:32.013
And so i went to jack hayford.
00:31:32.013 --> 00:31:33.381
I said, man, i got a problem.
00:31:33.381 --> 00:31:36.484
Houston, call houston.
00:31:36.985 --> 00:31:38.186
I got an issue.
00:31:38.186 --> 00:31:40.088
And he said, well, leon, maybe what you need to do is step out
00:31:40.088 --> 00:31:43.057
Of this for a little bit.
00:31:43.057 --> 00:31:44.759
And i said, okay.
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:45.793
So i thought maybe, you know, maybe 2 or 3 weeks
00:31:45.793 --> 00:31:47.662
Or something like that.
00:31:47.662 --> 00:31:48.496
I said that'd be great. [laughter]
00:31:48.496 --> 00:31:50.631
I could miss a meal or two for 2 or 3 weeks or so, but i
00:31:50.631 --> 00:31:54.936
Stayed up under his leadership.
00:31:54.936 --> 00:31:56.371
A guy named john wall was the, i was assigned.
00:31:56.371 --> 00:32:00.041
He was assigned to me.
00:32:00.041 --> 00:32:01.442
And so john wall, every week i'd come into his office and
00:32:01.442 --> 00:32:04.979
Talk to him about stuff, throw up on him, tell him all kind of
00:32:04.979 --> 00:32:08.149
What i was going through.
00:32:08.149 --> 00:32:09.083
It took two years from '88 to '90.
00:32:09.817 --> 00:32:14.956
Wow.
00:32:15.156 --> 00:32:16.024
I just, i just completely was out.
00:32:16.024 --> 00:32:18.226
So, and he wouldn't let me back in.
00:32:18.226 --> 00:32:20.328
I mean, i said, man, i got to do a concert.
00:32:20.328 --> 00:32:21.863
I need to eat.
00:32:21.863 --> 00:32:23.231
That's why i'm so thin now. i need to eat.
00:32:23.231 --> 00:32:25.466
But, you know, but i sold my house.
00:32:25.466 --> 00:32:27.502
I had some recording equipment.
00:32:27.502 --> 00:32:28.970
I sold that and kind of lived on that for those two years.
00:32:28.970 --> 00:32:32.373
And so i heard a scripture that said, and foreigners will
00:32:32.373 --> 00:32:37.545
Rebuild your walls.
00:32:37.545 --> 00:32:40.181
My first concert back was in the ukraine.
00:32:40.181 --> 00:32:43.651
Oh my goodness.
00:32:43.651 --> 00:32:44.752
I went from ukraine to russia.
00:32:44.752 --> 00:32:47.388
My goodness, those are my first two concerts back.
00:32:47.388 --> 00:32:50.391
Wow. so foreigners were helping me to rebuild my life.
00:32:50.391 --> 00:32:53.661
And there are people that really have a heart that really--
00:32:53.661 --> 00:32:57.832
We'd take bibles over there.
00:32:57.832 --> 00:32:59.534
If we didn't take enough bibles, those people would take
00:32:59.534 --> 00:33:02.203
Pages out of the bible and give it to their friends.
00:33:02.203 --> 00:33:04.872
They were really hungry for christ.
00:33:04.872 --> 00:33:07.108
So for me coming back into this and seeing such a hunger in
00:33:07.108 --> 00:33:11.846
People, it was just a great thing.
00:33:11.846 --> 00:33:14.248
Then i met you guys.
00:33:14.715 --> 00:33:16.384
This is when leon and friends happened,
00:33:17.251 --> 00:33:19.620
Right after that. you guys were foreigners.
00:33:19.620 --> 00:33:23.124
I had never done anything like this for tv cameras and stuff.
00:33:23.124 --> 00:33:26.327
This was foreign.
00:33:26.327 --> 00:33:27.595
So to me, this was a whole--
00:33:27.595 --> 00:33:29.597
You guys almost gave me a hug back in to say okay,
00:33:29.597 --> 00:33:35.002
And you took me to a whole nother level.
00:33:35.002 --> 00:33:36.804
Now i'm all over the world.
00:33:36.804 --> 00:33:38.606
Yeah, they showed leon and friends everywhere.
00:33:38.606 --> 00:33:40.975
I couldn't go into an airport because arsenio hall
00:33:40.975 --> 00:33:44.078
Had just gone off.
00:33:44.078 --> 00:33:45.713
Everybody was looking for another brother, and here,
00:33:45.713 --> 00:33:48.749
There i was.
00:33:48.749 --> 00:33:49.917
So they said, i don't know what he's doing, but let's
00:33:49.917 --> 00:33:52.186
Listen to him anyway.
00:33:52.186 --> 00:33:53.354
He's cute. let's just watch him.
00:33:53.354 --> 00:33:54.922
And they see smokey robinson come on.
00:33:54.922 --> 00:33:56.524
Oh. that's nice. nice smokey.
00:33:56.524 --> 00:33:57.959
Look at philip bailey. look at marilyn mccoo.
00:33:58.893 --> 00:34:01.462
We'll watch him.
00:34:01.829 --> 00:34:02.864
So they start--
00:34:02.864 --> 00:34:04.165
So it was really funny because the majority of my audience has
00:34:04.165 --> 00:34:07.702
Always been caucasian.
00:34:07.702 --> 00:34:10.071
I don't know why.
00:34:10.071 --> 00:34:11.105
They just, they, kind of like lionel richie.
00:34:11.105 --> 00:34:12.440
They just attach themselves to me that way.
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.443
But with leon and friends, because arsenio gone, there's a
00:34:15.443 --> 00:34:18.613
Whole nother black constituency that had never
00:34:18.613 --> 00:34:21.616
Embraced my music before. mhm.
00:34:21.616 --> 00:34:24.085
So i'm going through the airport, man.
00:34:24.085 --> 00:34:26.053
All these brothers and sisters coming up to me.
00:34:26.053 --> 00:34:27.889
Oh, man. leon and friends.
00:34:27.889 --> 00:34:30.491
What's up, leon and friends?
00:34:30.491 --> 00:34:32.260
So it really helped to gap me over in a lot of other
00:34:32.260 --> 00:34:35.530
Nationalities as well.
00:34:35.530 --> 00:34:36.898
But the tbn network just put me all over the place.
00:34:36.898 --> 00:34:41.736
Then '94, i meet a filipino woman.
00:34:41.736 --> 00:34:45.740
Okay. yes.
00:34:45.740 --> 00:34:48.376
I'm on a cruise with the foster homes organization i've been
00:34:48.376 --> 00:34:51.913
Hanging with since '85.
00:34:51.913 --> 00:34:53.748
And, you know, i go on this boat and, you know, i said,
00:34:53.748 --> 00:34:58.019
Lord, surprise me.
00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:00.688
That's what i--
00:35:00.688 --> 00:35:01.589
Because i knew i needed to be married.
00:35:01.589 --> 00:35:02.857
I know because that didn't the last thing quite work, but i
00:35:02.857 --> 00:35:06.127
Knew single wasn't going to work either.
00:35:06.127 --> 00:35:07.595
So i got to be, i got to be married, man.
00:35:07.595 --> 00:35:10.565
Single ain't gonna work. ain't gonna work.
00:35:10.565 --> 00:35:12.466
Not for me. so i said, lord.
00:35:12.466 --> 00:35:14.202
And i'm sitting at the piano on the boat
00:35:14.202 --> 00:35:15.836
And i'm praying.
00:35:15.836 --> 00:35:16.504
I said, lord, surprise me.
00:35:16.504 --> 00:35:19.340
And then this filipino guy came and sat next to me.
00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:22.009
He heard me singing.
00:35:22.009 --> 00:35:22.944
He said, oh man, you got a great voice.
00:35:22.944 --> 00:35:24.145
He said, do you work on the ship?
00:35:24.145 --> 00:35:25.513
I said, no. well, that's really good.
00:35:25.513 --> 00:35:27.515
You should.
00:35:27.515 --> 00:35:28.449
You should get a job on the ship here.
00:35:28.449 --> 00:35:29.517
You sound so good.
00:35:29.517 --> 00:35:30.818
And so he started singing with me and we started jamming in.
00:35:30.818 --> 00:35:33.688
So i whispered back to the lord.
00:35:33.688 --> 00:35:34.622
I said, lord, i, surprise, i don't--
00:35:34.622 --> 00:35:38.559
Surprise!
00:35:38.859 --> 00:35:41.662
May i make myself clear?
00:35:42.163 --> 00:35:44.432
So anyway,
00:35:44.732 --> 00:35:45.933
But next thing i know, here comes this woman walking
00:35:45.933 --> 00:35:48.169
Toward the piano.
00:35:48.169 --> 00:35:49.370
And i said, oh. i didn't see no rings or nothing.
00:35:49.370 --> 00:35:51.372
I said, mhm, mhm.
00:35:51.372 --> 00:35:52.707
And she would, you know, sometimes-- they glide.
00:35:52.707 --> 00:35:55.176
She looked like she, she like she was in slow motion.
00:35:55.176 --> 00:35:57.979
Yeah. like the $6 million man.
00:35:57.979 --> 00:35:59.981
Yeah. it was slow motion.
00:35:59.981 --> 00:36:02.049
And her hair was flopping on one side and
00:36:02.917 --> 00:36:05.052
Flopping over to the other.
00:36:05.052 --> 00:36:06.420
I said my, my, my.
00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:08.322
And so she came to the piano
00:36:08.322 --> 00:36:09.690
And then she sat next to this guy.
00:36:09.690 --> 00:36:11.592
I said, oh man, that's the husband.
00:36:11.592 --> 00:36:13.327
I said, sorry, lord.
00:36:13.327 --> 00:36:14.695
And so they sang with me for a little bit.
00:36:14.695 --> 00:36:18.099
They got up to leave.
00:36:18.099 --> 00:36:19.333
Introduced themselves as brother and sister.
00:36:19.333 --> 00:36:21.469
Okay. i said, now,
00:36:21.469 --> 00:36:23.504
That's the kind of surprise,
00:36:23.504 --> 00:36:26.173
That's the surprise i'm looking for.
00:36:26.941 --> 00:36:29.110
So renee and i have been together in at least 32 years,
00:36:29.110 --> 00:36:31.879
So it's-- wow. it's a great thing.
00:36:31.879 --> 00:36:34.348
So how did the lord put what you're currently doing
00:36:34.348 --> 00:36:38.819
Into your heart?
00:36:38.819 --> 00:36:40.688
Okay, so mom and dad had foster kids.
00:36:41.455 --> 00:36:45.159
Um, i grew up with a bunch of foster kids around us.
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:48.229
So i said, when i got out of santana, i said, well, i want
00:36:48.229 --> 00:36:50.965
To do the same thing.
00:36:50.965 --> 00:36:51.866
I'm going to have some foster kids.
00:36:51.866 --> 00:36:53.234
And so i couldn't take them into my house because i'm
00:36:53.234 --> 00:36:55.736
Always on the road.
00:36:55.736 --> 00:36:56.971
So i got with an organization, koinonia family services.
00:36:56.971 --> 00:37:00.741
And so for 41 years we've been working together.
00:37:00.741 --> 00:37:03.911
It's just, just seeing these kids coming off the street,
00:37:03.911 --> 00:37:07.048
Coming out of the system,
00:37:07.048 --> 00:37:08.215
Getting to nice christian homes.
00:37:08.215 --> 00:37:09.684
Man, we just-- and you guys helped because when you talk
00:37:09.684 --> 00:37:12.853
About it on leon and friends,
00:37:12.853 --> 00:37:14.121
You let us be kind of like a sponsor.
00:37:14.121 --> 00:37:17.291
We kind of talk about koinonia a little bit.
00:37:17.291 --> 00:37:19.427
And we got kids everywhere now because of you guys just
00:37:19.427 --> 00:37:22.963
Allowing us to do that.
00:37:22.963 --> 00:37:24.231
You know, uh, that hits laurie and i every once in a while
00:37:24.231 --> 00:37:27.768
About this whole foster thing that if the church would rise
00:37:27.768 --> 00:37:31.138
Up and work together-- yes.
00:37:31.138 --> 00:37:33.140
We could empty the foster care system easily
00:37:33.140 --> 00:37:35.976
In the united states. uh-huh.
00:37:35.976 --> 00:37:37.878
And it feels like statistically,
00:37:37.878 --> 00:37:41.549
We're not doing our job in some ways.
00:37:42.350 --> 00:37:46.153
Yeah, we need to vocalize that
00:37:46.153 --> 00:37:49.357
If we would unify,
00:37:49.790 --> 00:37:51.959
We could absorb all of the
00:37:52.526 --> 00:37:54.829
Foster children in the system nationally
00:37:54.829 --> 00:37:58.099
I think easily inside of the church system.
00:37:58.099 --> 00:38:00.835
I think we're supposed to do that.
00:38:00.835 --> 00:38:02.336
Yeah, i think we could.
00:38:02.336 --> 00:38:03.771
I mean, back in the day, it was easy for me because i could
00:38:03.771 --> 00:38:07.541
Draw these kids in with music.
00:38:07.541 --> 00:38:10.044
I could draw even the families in with music.
00:38:10.044 --> 00:38:13.280
Now, all they want to talk about is bullying and suicide.
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:18.285
And so now i'm dealing with them on a different level.
00:38:18.285 --> 00:38:20.554
And that's why in vegas, we started kind of another
00:38:20.554 --> 00:38:24.125
Organization kind of under koinonia, and we called it sing
00:38:24.125 --> 00:38:28.129
Save and inspire the next generation.
00:38:28.129 --> 00:38:30.598
And so that's what we're doing.
00:38:30.598 --> 00:38:32.066
The information for sing is on the screen.
00:38:32.066 --> 00:38:35.436
Yes. and that's how you can interface with leon, and i'm
00:38:35.436 --> 00:38:40.841
Asking the tbn viewers to click the link or whatever it's
00:38:40.841 --> 00:38:46.247
Telling you to do on the screen and help leon to, to do what,
00:38:46.247 --> 00:38:50.451
You know, god's got a call on his life for this.
00:38:50.451 --> 00:38:53.687
And, you know, been doing it now for decades.
00:38:53.687 --> 00:38:56.257
And we want you,
00:38:56.624 --> 00:38:59.827
We're asking you to help us,
00:38:59.827 --> 00:39:01.829
Uh, with what leon is trying to do.
00:39:01.829 --> 00:39:04.465
I'd love to see you, uh, grow
00:39:04.465 --> 00:39:07.735
That into more of a national expression.
00:39:07.735 --> 00:39:10.738
Oh, man, we'd love to see, you know, all of that.
00:39:10.738 --> 00:39:14.108
And we want,
00:39:14.108 --> 00:39:15.176
We want to give voice to this because,
00:39:15.176 --> 00:39:17.678
Yeah, you you've got you've got the history in it.
00:39:17.678 --> 00:39:20.481
You know, your mom and dad modeled it for you.
00:39:20.481 --> 00:39:24.018
Yes, yes.
00:39:24.018 --> 00:39:25.252
You've been through, you know, the whole extreme of what
00:39:25.252 --> 00:39:29.690
You've lived. your life is, you know, extreme.
00:39:29.690 --> 00:39:33.093
Yes. in a lot of ways.
00:39:33.093 --> 00:39:34.428
And you're using that influence
00:39:34.428 --> 00:39:36.864
Now and you've got a local thing.
00:39:36.864 --> 00:39:39.867
Let's stay at this till it's a national thing.
00:39:39.867 --> 00:39:42.503
Okay. that's good, that's good.
00:39:42.503 --> 00:39:43.838
Matt, thank you so much.
00:39:43.838 --> 00:39:45.105
That's what we're asking you to interface because he's he's
00:39:45.105 --> 00:39:48.342
Going to do it right, you know.
00:39:48.342 --> 00:39:50.144
Yeah. look, we would be,
00:39:50.144 --> 00:39:52.480
Laurie and i and and tbn would be like the federal government,
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:56.150
You know, what did ronald reagan say?
00:39:56.150 --> 00:39:58.252
The worst thing you could ever
00:39:58.252 --> 00:39:59.587
Hear is, where the federal government,
00:39:59.587 --> 00:40:01.322
We're here to help.
00:40:01.322 --> 00:40:02.523
We wouldn't know what to do or how to do it.
00:40:02.523 --> 00:40:07.161
But somebody's got decades of work into this thing and this
00:40:07.161 --> 00:40:12.733
Foster care system, and we got enough of a taste of this when
00:40:12.733 --> 00:40:18.005
We did a movie called one night with a king, because in
00:40:18.005 --> 00:40:22.109
Essence, esther was a orphaned minority girl.
00:40:22.109 --> 00:40:28.015
Yes.
00:40:28.015 --> 00:40:29.250
You know, that was asked to do the most important task
00:40:29.250 --> 00:40:32.119
And save her people. yeah.
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.455
So, you know, god specializes in using the least
00:40:34.455 --> 00:40:40.561
Qualified to do the most important task.
00:40:40.561 --> 00:40:44.298
Amen to that one.
00:40:44.732 --> 00:40:46.300
You know, if you don't feel qualified, that means you're
00:40:46.300 --> 00:40:50.037
Probably on god's short list
00:40:50.037 --> 00:40:51.805
To do something, if you don't feel qualified.
00:40:51.805 --> 00:40:55.109
Mhm. that's good.
00:40:55.109 --> 00:40:56.810
That's just the way it should feel because he wants you to
00:40:56.810 --> 00:40:59.847
Always rely on him.
00:40:59.847 --> 00:41:01.448
Mhm. and he kept you in santana,
00:41:01.448 --> 00:41:03.984
And if you would have still been making millions of
00:41:03.984 --> 00:41:05.786
Dollars, you would have never leaned on him the way,
00:41:05.786 --> 00:41:09.156
And god wants to do something through you.
00:41:09.156 --> 00:41:13.093
Yes. not to you.
00:41:13.093 --> 00:41:14.528
Yes, yes.
00:41:14.528 --> 00:41:15.362
And you've got the time into this.
00:41:15.362 --> 00:41:17.798
We want people to contact leon.
00:41:17.798 --> 00:41:22.369
And if there's some national benefactor, you know, kind of
00:41:22.369 --> 00:41:28.442
Family office that is listening
00:41:28.442 --> 00:41:30.811
To this, get in touch with leon.
00:41:30.811 --> 00:41:32.279
He really knows what he's doing.
00:41:32.279 --> 00:41:34.181
Yeah. and we want to see his
00:41:34.181 --> 00:41:35.482
Local thing turn to a national thing.
00:41:35.482 --> 00:41:37.651
And we're asking you to to help him.
00:41:37.651 --> 00:41:40.187
That'd be awesome.
00:41:40.187 --> 00:41:41.388
You know, on that same tip, we, uh, hit the pandemic,
00:41:41.388 --> 00:41:46.493
So we couldn't get into schools like we were getting in before.
00:41:46.493 --> 00:41:51.665
They kind of blocked us, even talking about christ, even
00:41:51.665 --> 00:41:54.835
Though every time i'd come, they'd let me talk about the
00:41:54.835 --> 00:41:57.037
Lord, but, because the teacher just turned the other way.
00:41:57.037 --> 00:41:59.406
So there you go again
00:41:59.406 --> 00:42:00.541
We're talking about the lord,
00:42:00.541 --> 00:42:01.442
But they knew they needed
00:42:01.442 --> 00:42:03.444
Help, so they would just let me talk.
00:42:03.444 --> 00:42:05.879
Since the pandemic, it's been different.
00:42:05.879 --> 00:42:08.582
So during that time, uh, we were kind of on lockdown,
00:42:08.582 --> 00:42:12.820
I wrote a book called all in, and the book kind of goes
00:42:12.820 --> 00:42:18.258
Between how me and renee met, our story on the cruise and
00:42:18.258 --> 00:42:22.896
Kind of how she, because this is really weird.
00:42:22.896 --> 00:42:24.798
Here i come on the boat as a christian musician.
00:42:24.798 --> 00:42:27.801
She comes on the boat as a professional poker player.
00:42:27.801 --> 00:42:31.338
Hey oh. right on.
00:42:31.338 --> 00:42:33.741
So i'm going, lord? to start at the beginning--
00:42:33.741 --> 00:42:35.643
How is this going to work? yeah.
00:42:35.643 --> 00:42:37.811
I just, i just came out of a situation already.
00:42:38.746 --> 00:42:41.482
I said, are you going to put me back in some mess now?
00:42:41.482 --> 00:42:44.018
I'm gonna mess this up, too.
00:42:44.018 --> 00:42:45.552
I said so, but, but after a while, the lord just kind of,
00:42:45.552 --> 00:42:49.823
You know, got to her heart, man.
00:42:49.823 --> 00:42:51.725
And she came to a concert maybe
00:42:51.725 --> 00:42:54.495
A month after we got off the boat.
00:42:54.495 --> 00:42:56.296
We were up in northern
00:42:56.296 --> 00:42:57.164
California and i gave an altar call.
00:42:57.164 --> 00:43:00.134
And man, she just, she was
00:43:00.134 --> 00:43:01.235
Sitting right by the lady from koinonia.
00:43:01.235 --> 00:43:03.404
Miriam, and i gave the call.
00:43:03.404 --> 00:43:05.606
I did glorify thy name, i think is what i was singing.
00:43:05.606 --> 00:43:08.242
And then i said, anybody that wants to get saved, i said, i
00:43:08.242 --> 00:43:10.244
Want you to raise your hand right now.
00:43:10.244 --> 00:43:11.512
We're going to pray with you.
00:43:11.512 --> 00:43:12.946
And so renee raised her hand and i said, okay, now you can
00:43:12.946 --> 00:43:16.150
Put your hands down.
00:43:16.150 --> 00:43:17.151
She just kept her hand up.
00:43:17.718 --> 00:43:19.453
And after, after i just i asked
00:43:19.453 --> 00:43:21.689
Her, how come you kept your hand up?
00:43:21.689 --> 00:43:22.723
And she said, i want to make sure god saw me.
00:43:22.723 --> 00:43:24.792
So, leon, do something right now.
00:43:25.526 --> 00:43:27.528
Yes. there's vicariously people with their hand up right now.
00:43:27.528 --> 00:43:31.999
Yes. and there's an audience globally and they've got their
00:43:31.999 --> 00:43:37.905
Hand up out there. yeah.
00:43:37.905 --> 00:43:39.773
Look into your camera there and do what you do, uh,
00:43:39.773 --> 00:43:43.544
And what you've been doing all
00:43:43.544 --> 00:43:45.279
These years, what you love to do.
00:43:45.279 --> 00:43:47.614
There they are right there.
00:43:47.614 --> 00:43:48.916
Well, i know for one, um, a lot of you are thinking, okay, i've
00:43:48.916 --> 00:43:53.153
Gone through some stuff in my life.
00:43:53.153 --> 00:43:54.722
There's no way i can get back up.
00:43:54.722 --> 00:43:56.757
Yeah, i've fallen and i can't get up.
00:43:56.757 --> 00:44:00.194
I'm telling you, you can get back up.
00:44:00.194 --> 00:44:01.862
You can begin again.
00:44:01.862 --> 00:44:04.598
I believe you can do it.
00:44:04.598 --> 00:44:06.500
I've seen him do it.
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He did it with my life.
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There's no way i'd be sitting in this chair without god's
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Love and mercy and grace coming at me.
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And he's doing the same thing to you right now.
00:44:17.845 --> 00:44:20.247
He's saying you can get back up.
00:44:20.247 --> 00:44:21.849
I was telling matt just off a
00:44:21.849 --> 00:44:24.251
While ago that i lost my son, gabriel.
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He used to sing with tobymac.
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He was like the right hand man to toby mac.
00:44:29.256 --> 00:44:32.860
And it was a just, that day for me was the worst.
00:44:32.860 --> 00:44:36.997
Two years ago, pancreatic cancer.
00:44:36.997 --> 00:44:39.466
My son called me like a year
00:44:39.466 --> 00:44:41.101
Before and said, i got this thing.
00:44:41.101 --> 00:44:42.903
And they said, i get 11 months to live.
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I said, 11 months?
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Come on man, we got to pray this through.
00:44:45.906 --> 00:44:48.108
And then the night before he died, i called him and i said,
00:44:48.108 --> 00:44:51.912
Son, how are you doing?
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And he said, i can't talk right now, dad.
00:44:54.114 --> 00:44:56.049
So within hours, i got a phone call back and his mom called
00:44:56.049 --> 00:45:00.387
And said, he's with jesus.
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Just broke my heart.
00:45:03.490 --> 00:45:06.026
And for me to get back up, this is a whole nother trying to get
00:45:06.026 --> 00:45:09.963
My life back together.
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But this is why tbn is here.
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The friends around me, the community around me, is the one
00:45:14.234 --> 00:45:18.605
That wrapped their arms around me to get me going again.
00:45:18.605 --> 00:45:21.208
We had to do a concert for ywam, and when i told him the
00:45:21.208 --> 00:45:25.078
Story of my son,
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They stood up in the audience and they started to bounce and
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They started to sing.
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Even when i did slow songs, they were bouncing
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And singing with me.
00:45:34.988 --> 00:45:36.456
It was as if i had thrown myself out on the audience and
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They were just carrying me.
00:45:39.226 --> 00:45:41.094
This is what tbn is here for.
00:45:41.728 --> 00:45:43.964
It's what matt and laurie are here for.
00:45:43.964 --> 00:45:45.532
They're here to carry you.
00:45:45.532 --> 00:45:47.734
And i'm telling you right now,
00:45:47.734 --> 00:45:49.903
You just keep tuning in with them.
00:45:49.903 --> 00:45:52.472
Keep watching these programs, keep reading your bible, keep
00:45:52.472 --> 00:45:56.276
Praying. god is going to restore your life like never before,
00:45:56.276 --> 00:46:00.848
Because the lord is the only one that can do it.
00:46:00.848 --> 00:46:02.850
He said, i'm your shepherd.
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You shall not want.
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He's the one that will make you lie down in green pastures.
00:46:06.587 --> 00:46:10.424
He's the one that will lead you beside the still waters.
00:46:10.424 --> 00:46:14.027
He's the one that will restore your soul.
00:46:14.027 --> 00:46:17.931
If you can't remember anything else out of psalms 23,
00:46:17.931 --> 00:46:21.802
He will restore your soul.
00:46:21.802 --> 00:46:24.705
I've seen him do it with me.
00:46:24.705 --> 00:46:26.506
I believe he's going to do it with you as well.
00:46:26.506 --> 00:46:28.876
Lead them to the lord through prayer.
00:46:28.876 --> 00:46:30.611
So let's do this now.
00:46:30.611 --> 00:46:32.479
Let's just pray.
00:46:32.846 --> 00:46:34.281
Some of you may be in a place where you can't really close
00:46:34.281 --> 00:46:36.717
Your eyes that sort of way, but
00:46:36.717 --> 00:46:38.685
Just repeat these words after me.
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Just say it now.
00:46:40.520 --> 00:46:41.255
Say lord jesus.
00:46:41.255 --> 00:46:42.522
Lord jesus, thank you for not giving up on me.
00:46:42.522 --> 00:46:48.662
You know me, lord.
00:46:49.096 --> 00:46:50.797
You know my mind.
00:46:51.231 --> 00:46:53.634
You know my flesh.
00:46:54.067 --> 00:46:56.670
You know how i am.
00:46:57.104 --> 00:46:59.039
But i'm asking you now,
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Change me.
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Wash me with the blood
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From the top of my head
00:47:07.381 --> 00:47:09.116
To the bottom of my feet.
00:47:09.116 --> 00:47:10.417
Fill me with new life.
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Who the son sets free is truly free indeed.
00:47:13.921 --> 00:47:18.492
And right now, lord, i accept that freedom.
00:47:18.492 --> 00:47:22.663
I am no longer bound to my old ways, my old habits.
00:47:22.663 --> 00:47:28.435
But jesus has set me free.
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I am free, i am free in the name of jesus.
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In the name of jesus.
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Amen. whoo! thank you, lord.
00:47:40.414 --> 00:47:42.516
Amen. now, think about this, leon, for a second.
00:47:42.516 --> 00:47:45.052
Yes.
00:47:45.052 --> 00:47:45.619
All those years ago.
00:47:45.619 --> 00:47:47.454
Yes. all the way back to leon and friends,
00:47:47.454 --> 00:47:50.524
All the way back to real videos,
00:47:50.524 --> 00:47:53.093
You've been doing the same thing.
00:47:53.093 --> 00:47:54.995
We've been doing the same thing.
00:47:54.995 --> 00:47:57.064
We've been asking people
00:47:57.064 --> 00:48:00.400
To share the love of the lord.
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.569
Yes. and to lead people to jesus.
00:48:02.569 --> 00:48:04.838
We're doing the same thing that we were doing when we met
00:48:04.838 --> 00:48:08.408
Almost 50 years ago.
00:48:08.408 --> 00:48:10.210
Isn't that awesome?
00:48:10.677 --> 00:48:11.678
Thank you, jesus.
00:48:11.678 --> 00:48:12.679
We're still here, man.
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:14.348
We're still doing it.
00:48:14.848 --> 00:48:18.385
Give me-- okay. so this is the book.
00:48:16.583 --> 00:48:20.420
So what we're doing with all in, we're actually, um,
00:48:20.420 --> 00:48:23.690
Making a movie.
00:48:23.690 --> 00:48:24.858
We want to make a movie on this because it's not just
00:48:24.858 --> 00:48:26.860
Renee and our story.
00:48:26.860 --> 00:48:28.261
It's also a little girl that's suicidal, and she's going
00:48:28.261 --> 00:48:32.199
Through some stuff, and a little heavyset, so they're always
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:35.435
Bullying her in school.
00:48:35.435 --> 00:48:36.703
She gets right to the point of taking some drugs
00:48:36.703 --> 00:48:40.607
That's going to take her out of here,
00:48:40.607 --> 00:48:42.442
And in the book, we take her to a very dark place because
00:48:42.442 --> 00:48:46.613
They're telling these kids now, some cultures are telling them,
00:48:46.613 --> 00:48:49.249
You know, commit suicide because there'll be a hundred
00:48:49.249 --> 00:48:52.052
Virgins on the other side. there's no hundred virgins
00:48:52.052 --> 00:48:53.987
On the other side.
00:48:53.987 --> 00:48:55.255
And this is a novel.
00:48:55.255 --> 00:48:56.256
This is a story that you put together.
00:48:56.256 --> 00:48:58.258
Yeah. it's a novel that,
00:48:58.258 --> 00:48:59.226
That kind of mirrors some of your story.
00:48:59.226 --> 00:49:02.963
Yes. but you've put this out and hoping that this will
00:49:02.963 --> 00:49:06.466
End up being kind of a told in a film.
00:49:06.466 --> 00:49:10.937
Yes, yes, that's what we're praying.
00:49:10.937 --> 00:49:12.472
And so we're we're calling it, you know, the preacher
00:49:12.472 --> 00:49:15.575
And the poker player.
00:49:15.575 --> 00:49:16.810
But all in, it's called all in,
00:49:16.810 --> 00:49:18.412
The preacher and the poker player.
00:49:18.412 --> 00:49:19.846
So it kind of has that kind of flavor to it,
00:49:19.846 --> 00:49:22.215
But at the same time, what this little girl is going through in
00:49:22.215 --> 00:49:25.652
This in that book, and hopefully in the movie will
00:49:25.652 --> 00:49:28.488
Bring the suicide rate down.
00:49:28.488 --> 00:49:29.790
That's what we're really hoping
00:49:29.790 --> 00:49:30.857
Because suicide from ten years old to 24 now--
00:49:30.857 --> 00:49:34.494
Shocking.
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This is the second leading cause of death.
00:49:35.462 --> 00:49:37.964
Shocking. isn't that something?
00:49:37.964 --> 00:49:39.866
Yeah.
00:49:39.866 --> 00:49:40.967
Ten year olds all the way up to 24 are suicidal.
00:49:40.967 --> 00:49:43.370
So anyway, as you read through the book and i hope you guys
00:49:43.370 --> 00:49:45.772
Will get a chance to read it too.
00:49:45.772 --> 00:49:47.040
So they keep saying it's a page turner.
00:49:47.040 --> 00:49:48.675
You get to one part and you go,
00:49:48.675 --> 00:49:50.243
Oh, i want to see what else happened.
00:49:50.243 --> 00:49:51.845
Okay? and before you know it, you read it in a day.
00:49:51.845 --> 00:49:54.981
So anyways, of course called all in, and we have gayla pruitt
00:49:54.981 --> 00:49:59.686
Helped me and renee also did some of the writing.
00:49:59.686 --> 00:50:02.355
So the three of us kind of
00:50:02.355 --> 00:50:03.790
Wrote this book, this novel together.
00:50:03.790 --> 00:50:06.159
Sean mcnamara loves it.
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.395
The one that did--
00:50:08.395 --> 00:50:09.096
Sean has sat here.
00:50:09.096 --> 00:50:10.597
Has he really? and talked about his films.
00:50:10.597 --> 00:50:13.266
He loves the script. reagan.
00:50:13.266 --> 00:50:14.901
Yeah. so he wants to do the, he wants to do--
00:50:14.901 --> 00:50:16.803
I want to thank you for not listening to bill graham.
00:50:16.803 --> 00:50:20.006
Oh. i know.
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Woo!
00:50:23.110 --> 00:50:24.010
And for answering the call of
00:50:24.010 --> 00:50:26.480
God on your life and surrendering
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:28.248
Because what god gives us is so far supersedes anything we
00:50:28.248 --> 00:50:33.286
Could ever have in the natural. thank you.
00:50:33.286 --> 00:50:35.555
And taking up his destiny and purpose for our lives.
00:50:35.555 --> 00:50:39.893
Now you're touching millions of people tonight.
00:50:39.893 --> 00:50:42.829
Oh, wow. you know, and and--
00:50:42.829 --> 00:50:44.664
I'm glad i didn't know that. i'd be nervous.
00:50:44.664 --> 00:50:46.366
In a way that we never dreamed possible.
00:50:47.200 --> 00:50:50.637
You know, we didn't know tbn would be what it is today.
00:50:50.637 --> 00:50:53.507
And it's only by god's hand.
00:50:53.507 --> 00:50:55.308
You're only here by god's hand.
00:50:55.308 --> 00:50:57.043
All the many miracles throughout all of our lives,
00:50:57.043 --> 00:51:00.881
It's just a testimony to the greatness of god.
00:51:00.881 --> 00:51:03.383
It's funny, we were in the beginning together.
00:51:03.383 --> 00:51:04.985
When you guys met,
00:51:04.985 --> 00:51:06.586
That's when i met matt, and that's when we started doing
00:51:06.586 --> 00:51:09.055
The real videos.
00:51:09.422 --> 00:51:10.857
So we, we--
00:51:10.857 --> 00:51:11.992
All right here, baby.
00:51:11.992 --> 00:51:12.993
Yeah, we were kind of in a slingshot.
00:51:12.993 --> 00:51:14.895
God was saying, you know what?
00:51:14.895 --> 00:51:16.329
We the way we started this interview an hour ago, i, i
00:51:16.329 --> 00:51:21.468
Started telling a story of you wearing a pair of parachute
00:51:21.468 --> 00:51:26.006
Pants and scratching the the the hood of your mercedes.
00:51:26.006 --> 00:51:31.011
I think, i think i found the picture of the pants you were
00:51:31.011 --> 00:51:34.648
Wearing when you,
00:51:34.648 --> 00:51:37.450
When you tore your own car up.
00:51:38.084 --> 00:51:40.287
Pulled it up. oh, man.
00:51:40.287 --> 00:51:43.123
There they are.
00:51:43.490 --> 00:51:44.357
You do that kind of stuff.
00:51:44.357 --> 00:51:46.793
I love it. all in.
00:51:47.294 --> 00:51:48.762
Get the book.
00:51:49.129 --> 00:51:50.063
It'll be a movie one day, lord willing.
00:51:50.063 --> 00:51:52.098
And, uh,
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Listen, support what he's doing.
00:51:53.733 --> 00:51:56.369
He's the right guy to support.
00:51:56.369 --> 00:51:57.938
We'll see you next time.
00:51:57.938 --> 00:51:58.738
Love you,leon. always have.
00:51:58.738 --> 00:52:00.473
God bless you.
00:52:00.473 --> 00:52:00.974
See you. bye bye.
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♪♪
00:52:01.975 --> 00:52:01.975

Leon Patillo: From Santana to Salvation | Praise

June 16, 2026 | 52:20

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