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Mason Ledbetter: Restored Vision | Praise

June 8, 2026 | 53:50

Mason Ledbetter: Restored Vision | Praise
Hosted by TBN’s own Matt and Laurie Crouch along with other popular personalities, Praise features the best in contemporary Christian music and worship, fresh and impacting ministry voices, engaging interviews from a wide variety of guests, and a fast-moving hour of relevant talk you won’t want to miss!
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Praise | Mason Ledbetter: Restored Vision | Praise | June 8, 2026
  • Coming up tonight on praise...
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  • I know that the work is done.
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  • Jesus finished the work and i get to live from that place.
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  • But what does it mean to be a son?
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  • What does that mean
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  • To be a son of the creator of all things, the father?
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  • So i was learning from what i once thought i knew
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  • Intellectually, i'm now learning it at a heart level
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  • What what it actually means to
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  • Be a son and to to live accepted,
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  • To live fully known, fully seen, fully loved.
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  • Tonight on praise from dallas,
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  • Author, teacher and voice for identity and freedom in christ,
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  • Mason ledbetter.
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  • And now your hosts, matt and laurie crouch.
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  • Praise comes to you from dallas, texas.
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  • Mason ledbetter, you are a young guy, content creator.
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  • You do a lot of that.
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  • Your content got pushed into my feed.
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  • I started collecting some mason ledbetter stuff and, uh, got
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  • Ahold of your book, restored vision.
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  • And this is a, this is going to be kind of a testimonial
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  • Program a bit.
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  • I like what
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  • We're going to get into, but help the audience understand
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  • What are we going to kind of unpack for the next one hour?
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  • Where are we headed with this?
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  • Kind of give us a wide shot here.
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  • Yeah. of course, we're going to be diving into the or unpacking
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  • The whole idea of how so many christians, so many believers,
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  • Are living this,
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  • This life of faith or that this performance driven or even
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  • Striving, um, christian life.
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  • And, and it isn't supposed to, to be that way.
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  • I want to ask you something, and i want you to think about
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  • This honestly.
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  • Do you love god
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  • But you feel spiritually tired or drained all the time?
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  • Like there's this subtle pressure, like you're always
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  • Trying to keep up,
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  • Trying to stay close to god,
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  • Trying not to mess up,
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  • Trying to make sure you're always in right standing with
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  • Him? like you're only close with god on your good days,
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  • But if you're not doing good enough, then he must not be
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  • Close or he's probably disappointed?
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  • That's actually one of the biggest signs someone is
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  • Striving without even realizing it
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  • Because relationship with the father is not meant to feel
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  • Like constant pressure.
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  • Jesus literally said, my yoke is easy,
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  • My burden is light.
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  • So if your spiritual life feels heavy and pressured like that
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  • All the time, that is not his
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  • Easy yoke and it's not light at all.
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  • That's performance and it's not freedom.
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  • And so many, or even most of us learned those things without
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  • Even realizing it.
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  • Because religion teaches us to stay consistent.
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  • Or you'll drift, stay
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  • Disciplined, or god might feel distant.
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  • Stay focused, or you might lose something.
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  • But the gospel actually says something totally different.
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  • It says you're already included.
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  • You're already accepted.
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  • You're already free.
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  • You already belong.
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  • You're already loved.
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  • He's not disappointed or upset with you at all, and he loves
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  • And delights in you
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  • Even on your worst days.
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  • And now you're just simply learning to live from that,
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  • Not toward those things.
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  • That's a big difference because
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  • Striving says i need to stay close.
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  • But grace says
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  • He already came close.
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  • And striving says, i need to somehow maintain maintain
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  • All these things,
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  • But grace says he already sustains all these things.
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  • And when you begin to grasp on to these things, exhaustion
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  • Starts to lift.
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  • You stop chasing rest and closeness, and you start
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  • Living from it.
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  • And that's what that is all about as well,
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  • The book restored vision.
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  • It feels like before we started today, you were talking about
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  • Christian life burnout.
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  • You know, that there was at some point so much performance
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  • Driven dynamic in your life, you kind of stepped away,
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  • Not as much from god, but just from, you know, everything that
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  • You had known in your church.
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  • I love the the subtitle of your book, a journey into clear
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  • Sight, true identity and the father's heart.
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  • Yeah. so let's start back somewhere, wherever you want
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  • To pick it up.
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  • How did you get saved?
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  • What's your, what's your salvation story?
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  • Gosh, i was born and raised in church my whole life.
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  • I was raised that way.
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  • Um, always been a believer.
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  • I remember when i was, uh, i believe i was eight years old,
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  • I was just remembering kids church making that, you know,
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  • In kids church, they walked me through the,
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  • The salvation thing.
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  • And i, they, they had the paper and i signed it and everything.
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  • So yeah, i still remember that day actually.
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  • But, yeah.
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  • You journey through living in a christian home, but find that
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  • Everything that you're exposed to starts kind of being
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  • Performance related and starts being kind of, let's call it
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  • Wear you out.
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  • Uh, what do you mean by that?
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  • Walk us through that. yeah.
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  • Exhaustion. yeah.
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  • Like, like getting exhausted.
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  • So, um, pressure. pressure.
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  • So i didn't see it, you know, living through it,
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  • I didn't see it,
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  • But, you know, looking back on it, i can see why
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  • I made some of the choices that i made, you know, like, um, for
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  • Example, you know, growing up in, in, in that kind of
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  • Environment where, you know, the, the churches that i went
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  • To, it was nondenominational, like charismatic.
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  • Mhm. um, but it was all so focused on performance
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  • And what that, what that can do is, you know, that--
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  • It makes it to where you have all this pressure.
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  • So growing up, i had all this pressure and i got to a point
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  • Where i felt like this is just too much.
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  • This is just too hard.
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  • When you say performance, what do you mean by that?
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  • Like, um, like everything's put on a scale.
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  • Okay.
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  • Like i have to try to please god.
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  • Do good.
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  • I have to try to do better.
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  • I have to try to strive for acceptance, for worthiness.
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  • That's what i mean.
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  • Wear you out, won't it?
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  • Yeah. and you don't even, you don't even know
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  • You're doing it. yeah.
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  • It's just, it's like a subtle thing
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  • That's just an underlying subtle thing.
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  • And that's why i say, when i look back on it, i can see how
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  • That was all there.
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  • And it's, and it's pressure, even though it's like
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  • Subconscious pressure, even though you don't know, it's
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  • Still there and it's still exhausting you because you're
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  • Not actually at this place of rest in your soul.
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  • Would you say that you were very sin conscious?
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  • Very, very.
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  • So-- yeah.
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  • So if i sin, i'm, i've got to try harder to get better.
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  • And so the sin consciousness, which i believe jesus christ
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  • Died for right to take away the sin consciousness of man.
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  • Yeah. very, very sin conscious, which is condemning.
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  • Sure. of course.
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  • Yeah. there's just so much pressure with that
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  • Because when you, when you focus on something, you magnify it.
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  • Yeah.
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  • I didn't realize i was striving until i noticed my peace
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  • Depended on my performance.
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  • If you think god's closeness depends on your consistency,
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  • That's striving, not because you don't love god.
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  • It's because deep down, you're still trying to earn what he
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  • Already gave you.
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  • Most people don't even realize they're doing it.
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  • I know i didn't.
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  • Here's one big sign.
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  • If you feel closer to god on your good days and farther from
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  • Him on your bad days, that's not relationship.
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  • That's performance thinking.
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  • Real sonship doesn't fluctuate.
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  • God doesn't love you more based on your best week, and he
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  • Doesn't distance himself because you had a rough week.
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  • A lot of us were taught a subtle version of this.
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  • Pray more so god stays close.
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  • Read more so you don't drift.
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  • Do better so you don't disappoint him.
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  • But scripture actually flips that.
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  • It says nothing can separate you from his love.
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  • It says christ lives in you.
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  • It says you're already accepted in the beloved.
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  • So closeness isn't something you maintain.
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  • It's something that you awaken to.
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  • And striving usually shows up when you still think, if i
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  • Don't keep this up, i might lose something.
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  • But the gospel says you're not maintaining relationship.
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  • You're learning to rest inside one that's already secure.
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  • This is where peace and rest finally start.
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  • Not when you're trying harder.
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  • It's when you trust deeper.
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  • Because sons don't perform for belonging, they live from it.
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  • So everything just becomes magnified and pressure.
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  • And even if you don't realize
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  • You're being exhausted, you are.
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  • And all about you.
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  • Yeah. and it's so, you're self-analytical overanalyzing
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  • Every single thing and you're just so worried about, am i
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  • Doing good this day?
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  • Yeah. yeah.
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  • But if you do good, you feel good.
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  • If you do bad, you feel bad.
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  • That's it.
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  • And that is an identity that you know, this, this is all, by
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  • The way, a setup because i didn't want to say it
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  • Right out of the gate,
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  • But there's there's a moment in this story coming.
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  • It'll be later where mason
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  • Basically had to
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  • Destroy, in essence, or pull off of publication every book
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  • He'd ever written and had to rewrite them all.
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  • Okay. so what were your books about?
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  • There's a, there's an inciting incident coming up here that i
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  • Think is, is pretty interesting.
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  • So let's just keep plugging through this here.
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  • You know, a little bit, you're raised in a, in a, in a place
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  • Where you're totally focused on yourself.
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  • You do good during a day. you don't have, you know, you don't
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  • Recall any sins that you did that day,
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  • So you feel good. right.
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  • Uh, you recall a sin that you did, you feel bad.
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  • It's all about that.
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  • And you're trying to, you know,
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  • Kind of live this christian life.
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  • Your parents are striving to be part of the church.
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  • You're trying.
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  • You're striving to be part of the church.
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  • And then one day it's just too much and you go, see you later.
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  • See you later. bye.
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  • Yeah. i had this moment, and i believe i was in high school at
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  • The time.
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  • I just had this moment where it was just me and god.
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  • I remember i walked outside and i was just talking to god and i
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  • Said, hey, i believe in you.
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  • I honestly do, and i don't want you to leave me,
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  • But this christian life thing is too exhausting.
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  • And it's, it's impossible.
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  • And i'm going to just, i'm going to, i'm going to put this
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  • On the back burner and i'm going to go, i'm going to
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  • Live how i want to live.
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  • And i believe in you,
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  • But don't, don't leave me.
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  • But i'm just going to put this on the back burner and go live
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  • How i want to live for a while.
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  • And i'm just going to hope that you do what you want to do with
  • 00:11:57.606 --> 00:12:01.343
  • My life, because i can't do this.
  • 00:12:01.343 --> 00:12:04.747
  • So i think most people
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  • That have grown up in church probably have felt that.
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  • I'm not good enough.
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  • I can't. i've tried.
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  • And the condemnation that i get at church, i try to get free. i
  • 00:12:15.758 --> 00:12:21.530
  • Can't, and the condemnation just gets so, so bad that
  • 00:12:21.530 --> 00:12:26.135
  • People just say, i can't do--
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  • I can't be a christian because i'm supposed to be perfect
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  • And i can't do that. right.
  • 00:12:29.738 --> 00:12:31.540
  • And so you're talking to so many people.
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  • You're a preacher's kid.
  • 00:12:33.576 --> 00:12:35.377
  • Did you feel that? i felt it for you.
  • 00:12:35.377 --> 00:12:38.047
  • Because she is perfect,
  • 00:12:38.047 --> 00:12:39.315
  • So she never really felt it because she is perfect.
  • 00:12:39.315 --> 00:12:42.418
  • But she felt it for me.
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  • That's not true. no, no.
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  • I think if we don't realize that what we believe happened
  • 00:12:45.688 --> 00:12:50.059
  • At the cross or not, that can
  • 00:12:50.059 --> 00:12:52.695
  • Get, that can get unbearable at times.
  • 00:12:52.695 --> 00:12:55.331
  • There's been times when we've looked at each other and said
  • 00:12:55.331 --> 00:12:58.801
  • Either he did or he didn't. what does that mean?
  • 00:12:58.801 --> 00:13:02.438
  • Well, either jesus died for me and said, it is finished and
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  • Took away all the-- the sin consciousness. and all that.
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  • And either i'm free or i'm not.
  • 00:13:12.648 --> 00:13:15.284
  • And it just came down to that.
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  • It's either, either we're bound, we're never going to get a
  • 00:13:17.119 --> 00:13:20.823
  • Breakthrough, or jesus has paid
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  • It all and we have victory, you know?
  • 00:13:23.025 --> 00:13:25.561
  • And it was just black and white for us, especially one day,
  • 00:13:25.561 --> 00:13:29.365
  • Especially for me.
  • 00:13:29.365 --> 00:13:30.466
  • You're you're right.
  • 00:13:30.466 --> 00:13:31.500
  • But you've jumped ahead of the story.
  • 00:13:31.500 --> 00:13:33.502
  • So i want to get, i want to get back to your story.
  • 00:13:33.502 --> 00:13:36.038
  • I want to sloth through it a little bit more.
  • 00:13:36.038 --> 00:13:39.675
  • Um, so you're kind of in a season where you love god.
  • 00:13:39.675 --> 00:13:45.314
  • You're not antagonistic, antagonistic at all towards the
  • 00:13:45.314 --> 00:13:48.784
  • Lord and are really still communicating with the lord,
  • 00:13:48.784 --> 00:13:52.421
  • But just not involved actively in church.
  • 00:13:52.421 --> 00:13:56.292
  • And the problem that you had,
  • 00:13:56.292 --> 00:14:00.362
  • You thought was going to be solved how?
  • 00:14:00.362 --> 00:14:03.232
  • What was the video that you watched that one night?
  • 00:14:03.232 --> 00:14:06.535
  • You know, it's so interesting because that moment where i
  • 00:14:06.535 --> 00:14:10.105
  • Essentially gave up to god, i was like, you know, i'm not
  • 00:14:10.105 --> 00:14:12.741
  • Going to, i'm done with this,
  • 00:14:12.741 --> 00:14:15.277
  • Little did i know is that was the exact posture that i was,
  • 00:14:15.277 --> 00:14:18.447
  • That i should have.
  • 00:14:18.447 --> 00:14:19.114
  • Right? wow.
  • 00:14:19.114 --> 00:14:20.182
  • But anyway, we can come back to that.
  • 00:14:20.182 --> 00:14:21.784
  • You know, like i said, i went
  • 00:14:21.784 --> 00:14:22.651
  • For years just living my own way.
  • 00:14:22.651 --> 00:14:25.287
  • And i get to a point where i believe i was 27 years old and
  • 00:14:25.287 --> 00:14:31.493
  • I was working at my job.
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  • And there was this video that pops up on youtube and it just
  • 00:14:33.128 --> 00:14:37.566
  • Caught my attention.
  • 00:14:37.566 --> 00:14:38.367
  • And it was this,
  • 00:14:38.367 --> 00:14:39.401
  • It was somebody talking about being lukewarm.
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  • So what ended up happening, just to briefly explain that
  • 00:14:41.670 --> 00:14:45.107
  • What ended up happening was that caused me to, to double
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  • Down even worse than
  • 00:14:49.211 --> 00:14:53.148
  • All the pressure i felt growing up, because i see this video
  • 00:14:53.148 --> 00:14:56.652
  • Of this guy talking about being lukewarm, which put a fear in
  • 00:14:56.652 --> 00:15:00.656
  • Me and i'm like, oh, wow.
  • 00:15:00.656 --> 00:15:02.891
  • So now i must have to to buckle down and just double over
  • 00:15:02.891 --> 00:15:06.528
  • Because, um, i'm not doing it right.
  • 00:15:06.528 --> 00:15:09.798
  • Here's the verse that exposes almost every
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  • Religious teaching out there.
  • 00:15:11.633 --> 00:15:13.102
  • Paul says in galatians 2:21, i do not frustrate the grace of
  • 00:15:13.102 --> 00:15:16.171
  • God, for if righteousness come by the law, then christ
  • 00:15:16.171 --> 00:15:19.341
  • Is dead in vain.
  • 00:15:19.341 --> 00:15:21.276
  • This verse exposes every religious system built on
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  • Performance, striving, and self-effort.
  • 00:15:24.013 --> 00:15:27.016
  • Paul saying, if your works could make you righteous, then
  • 00:15:27.016 --> 00:15:29.351
  • Grace has no purpose.
  • 00:15:29.351 --> 00:15:32.187
  • But so many believers live like jesus only got us halfway
  • 00:15:32.187 --> 00:15:34.890
  • There, and now it's up to us to finish the job.
  • 00:15:34.890 --> 00:15:38.093
  • But the truth is, jesus didn't
  • 00:15:38.093 --> 00:15:39.395
  • Die to make us almost righteous.
  • 00:15:39.395 --> 00:15:41.563
  • He became sin so that we might become the
  • 00:15:41.563 --> 00:15:43.766
  • Righteousness of god in him.
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  • When we try to add to what jesus finished by trying to
  • 00:15:46.468 --> 00:15:50.472
  • Earn favor, maintain salvation, maintain right standing, prove
  • 00:15:50.472 --> 00:15:55.944
  • Our worth, we actually set aside grace, we say with our
  • 00:15:55.944 --> 00:16:00.749
  • Actions, thanks, jesus, but i still need to do this,
  • 00:16:00.749 --> 00:16:03.318
  • Do some of this myself.
  • 00:16:03.318 --> 00:16:05.421
  • But grace says, you already are what you're trying to become.
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  • You're not striving for righteousness.
  • 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:11.627
  • You're living from it.
  • 00:16:11.627 --> 00:16:13.896
  • You can stop measuring your worth by what you do and start
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  • Resting in what he's already done.
  • 00:16:17.232 --> 00:16:19.268
  • He's already done it all.
  • 00:16:19.268 --> 00:16:21.070
  • If righteousness could come by
  • 00:16:21.070 --> 00:16:22.471
  • The law, christ died for nothing.
  • 00:16:22.471 --> 00:16:25.174
  • But because he did die and rise again,
  • 00:16:25.174 --> 00:16:28.477
  • You can live in the peace of knowing it's finished.
  • 00:16:28.477 --> 00:16:33.082
  • So you went from performance driven to fear driven, right?
  • 00:16:33.082 --> 00:16:37.453
  • So you thought the answer to have this correct posture with
  • 00:16:37.453 --> 00:16:44.026
  • God was a doubling down.
  • 00:16:44.026 --> 00:16:46.662
  • And now you're going full force into deliverance
  • 00:16:46.662 --> 00:16:50.666
  • Ministry and you're just, you're going deeper into the
  • 00:16:50.666 --> 00:16:54.503
  • Rabbit hole, as it were.
  • 00:16:54.503 --> 00:16:55.838
  • Yeah. that's how it happened
  • 00:16:55.838 --> 00:16:57.072
  • Because the next thing you know, i got i started reading
  • 00:16:57.072 --> 00:17:00.576
  • Some books and, you know, one thing happened after another
  • 00:17:00.576 --> 00:17:03.345
  • And i'm diving headfirst into delivering inner healing and
  • 00:17:03.345 --> 00:17:07.216
  • Deliverance ministry.
  • 00:17:07.216 --> 00:17:08.784
  • And i did that for five years.
  • 00:17:08.784 --> 00:17:10.853
  • I did over 600 deliverance sessions with people.
  • 00:17:10.853 --> 00:17:15.257
  • I wrote four books on the topics. i was, i was very,
  • 00:17:15.257 --> 00:17:18.994
  • Very deep in it.
  • 00:17:18.994 --> 00:17:20.729
  • And energized by that for a season.
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  • Yeah. because i, just the way i am, my personality, just the
  • 00:17:23.999 --> 00:17:27.803
  • Way my heart is, is i'm, i'm, i'm very open hearted.
  • 00:17:27.803 --> 00:17:30.372
  • You know, i'm open minded.
  • 00:17:30.372 --> 00:17:31.640
  • And i, i call myself a truth seeker.
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  • If i'm wrong, i want to know. yeah.
  • 00:17:34.343 --> 00:17:36.245
  • You know, i want to know the truth.
  • 00:17:36.245 --> 00:17:38.647
  • So that's always been like my posture before the lord is if
  • 00:17:38.647 --> 00:17:42.017
  • Something's not right, i want to know. show me.
  • 00:17:42.017 --> 00:17:45.120
  • And through that, i was always asking him questions like when
  • 00:17:45.120 --> 00:17:48.824
  • Things would come up that didn't make sense,
  • 00:17:48.824 --> 00:17:50.125
  • I'm asking. and that was one of the things
  • 00:17:50.125 --> 00:17:52.394
  • Is why is it such a process? like
  • 00:17:52.394 --> 00:17:57.900
  • If, if you, if you defeated the enemy at the cross,
  • 00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:02.504
  • Why is it such,
  • 00:18:02.504 --> 00:18:03.672
  • Why is it so hard to get free?
  • 00:18:03.672 --> 00:18:06.241
  • One of the exact questions i asked him was, why?
  • 00:18:06.241 --> 00:18:09.144
  • Why would you, being the creator of all things, set it
  • 00:18:09.144 --> 00:18:12.881
  • Up to be difficult? wow.
  • 00:18:12.881 --> 00:18:15.450
  • It just it didn't--
  • 00:18:15.450 --> 00:18:16.718
  • So hard. line up to me.
  • 00:18:16.718 --> 00:18:17.886
  • Why is it so hard?
  • 00:18:17.886 --> 00:18:19.121
  • Yeah. yeah.
  • 00:18:19.121 --> 00:18:20.355
  • This is really a pivotal point in your life.
  • 00:18:20.355 --> 00:18:24.760
  • An author concerning deliverance,
  • 00:18:24.760 --> 00:18:27.696
  • You were doubling down in deliverance ministry,
  • 00:18:27.696 --> 00:18:31.633
  • Very charismatic kind of deliverance ministry.
  • 00:18:31.633 --> 00:18:34.636
  • You had come from a performance.
  • 00:18:34.636 --> 00:18:36.772
  • Now you're kind of scared not to do this.
  • 00:18:36.772 --> 00:18:40.542
  • So what happens?
  • 00:18:40.542 --> 00:18:42.377
  • What's this big moment here where the lord changes
  • 00:18:42.377 --> 00:18:46.715
  • Everything for you?
  • 00:18:46.715 --> 00:18:48.016
  • Yeah. because now i'm in this situation where everything, you
  • 00:18:48.016 --> 00:18:51.019
  • Know, it went from performance driven,
  • 00:18:51.019 --> 00:18:54.256
  • And of course it still is, but it's performance driven, but
  • 00:18:54.256 --> 00:18:56.558
  • It's also chasing freedom.
  • 00:18:56.558 --> 00:18:58.760
  • And that was another question i always had.
  • 00:18:58.760 --> 00:19:00.329
  • Why? why does freedom have to come in pieces?
  • 00:19:00.329 --> 00:19:02.664
  • That didn't make sense to me either.
  • 00:19:02.664 --> 00:19:04.499
  • But anyway, you know, like i told you earlier about the
  • 00:19:04.499 --> 00:19:06.835
  • Breadcrumb trail, i call it the breadcrumb trail that the
  • 00:19:06.835 --> 00:19:09.504
  • Father took me on because i love to read books.
  • 00:19:09.504 --> 00:19:12.307
  • And he would, he started, holy spirit started introducing
  • 00:19:12.307 --> 00:19:15.344
  • Books to me about sonship, about the father's love and
  • 00:19:15.344 --> 00:19:18.614
  • About, you know, god as father.
  • 00:19:18.614 --> 00:19:21.149
  • And that really started to open up things and cause me to ask
  • 00:19:21.149 --> 00:19:24.253
  • Even more questions.
  • 00:19:24.253 --> 00:19:26.221
  • And it really started, um, creating this conflict inside
  • 00:19:26.221 --> 00:19:31.493
  • Of me where on one hand, there's this chasing freedom,
  • 00:19:31.493 --> 00:19:36.698
  • Uh, performance-driven stuff.
  • 00:19:36.698 --> 00:19:39.635
  • And on the other hand, there's this sonship and identity
  • 00:19:39.635 --> 00:19:41.903
  • And the finished work.
  • 00:19:41.903 --> 00:19:44.339
  • And, and i'm like, how does this, how do you resolve this?
  • 00:19:44.339 --> 00:19:49.244
  • And i couldn't, and so i was
  • 00:19:49.244 --> 00:19:50.646
  • Always asking, asking him about that.
  • 00:19:50.646 --> 00:19:52.748
  • And and of course, he gave me the little breadcrumb pieces
  • 00:19:52.748 --> 00:19:56.251
  • Because through all that time, of course, he knows when your
  • 00:19:56.251 --> 00:20:00.188
  • Hearts ready to receive something.
  • 00:20:00.188 --> 00:20:01.823
  • And finally,
  • 00:20:01.823 --> 00:20:04.826
  • One day comes where my heart must have been ready to, to
  • 00:20:04.826 --> 00:20:09.097
  • Receive what he was going to tell me
  • 00:20:09.097 --> 00:20:10.666
  • Because i asked the question one more time, and he finally
  • 00:20:10.666 --> 00:20:14.536
  • Revealed the answer.
  • 00:20:14.536 --> 00:20:15.837
  • And he said, and i asked him, i said, why is it such a process?
  • 00:20:15.837 --> 00:20:19.775
  • Why? why do people keep coming back?
  • 00:20:19.775 --> 00:20:22.678
  • There's always more areas of freedom to be attained.
  • 00:20:22.678 --> 00:20:25.113
  • And it just, i don't get it.
  • 00:20:25.113 --> 00:20:27.215
  • And finally, he told me that day, i still remember the exact
  • 00:20:27.215 --> 00:20:30.118
  • Day he told me.
  • 00:20:30.118 --> 00:20:31.353
  • He said, it's because you're treating the enemy like they
  • 00:20:31.353 --> 00:20:35.424
  • Have authority, like they have rights, like they have any
  • 00:20:35.424 --> 00:20:40.062
  • Power at all.
  • 00:20:40.062 --> 00:20:42.531
  • But really, they don't.
  • 00:20:42.531 --> 00:20:45.067
  • Okay. now you're talking.
  • 00:20:45.067 --> 00:20:46.968
  • So you then have to tear up all your old books.
  • 00:20:46.968 --> 00:20:52.407
  • You have to write this one.
  • 00:20:52.407 --> 00:20:54.343
  • And i like the way that, you know, we're kind of journeying
  • 00:20:54.343 --> 00:20:58.780
  • Through a little bit.
  • 00:20:58.780 --> 00:21:00.515
  • We're doing this, let's say, you know, in a testimonial way.
  • 00:21:00.515 --> 00:21:04.619
  • But the, you use the term
  • 00:21:04.619 --> 00:21:07.522
  • Lenses, you know, restored vision.
  • 00:21:07.522 --> 00:21:10.759
  • One day your your eyes were open to see the work of christ
  • 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:16.565
  • Was finished 2000 years ago.
  • 00:21:16.565 --> 00:21:18.767
  • You didn't largely understand that concept until you grew up,
  • 00:21:18.767 --> 00:21:25.707
  • Burn out just from performance, doubled down, got into
  • 00:21:25.707 --> 00:21:29.778
  • Deliverance, burnt out because there was just, it was
  • 00:21:29.778 --> 00:21:33.648
  • Just never enough.
  • 00:21:33.648 --> 00:21:35.317
  • And, and the lord changes your perspective and restores your
  • 00:21:35.317 --> 00:21:41.022
  • Vision, as it were, with one phrase, because you're acting
  • 00:21:41.022 --> 00:21:46.561
  • Like they have authority.
  • 00:21:46.561 --> 00:21:49.064
  • And jesus said, all power has been given unto me in
  • 00:21:49.064 --> 00:21:52.567
  • Heaven and on earth.
  • 00:21:52.567 --> 00:21:53.869
  • So if jesus has all power, how much power does the devil have?
  • 00:21:53.869 --> 00:21:59.174
  • So how did that how did that make you feel?
  • 00:21:59.174 --> 00:22:01.276
  • How did that change your life?
  • 00:22:01.276 --> 00:22:02.544
  • Gosh, that was, i like the term that you used when
  • 00:22:02.544 --> 00:22:04.713
  • We were talking earlier.
  • 00:22:04.713 --> 00:22:06.648
  • You used the term whiplash. yeah.
  • 00:22:06.648 --> 00:22:08.717
  • It was like every, it was like my entire world--
  • 00:22:08.717 --> 00:22:12.120
  • I explain it like this.
  • 00:22:12.120 --> 00:22:13.355
  • Like my entire world just flipped upside down because--
  • 00:22:13.355 --> 00:22:18.026
  • And that's why i wasn't ready to hear that for so many years
  • 00:22:18.026 --> 00:22:21.129
  • Because like, like i said, if he would have told me that
  • 00:22:21.129 --> 00:22:24.666
  • Before, i wouldn't have accepted that because that's
  • 00:22:24.666 --> 00:22:26.935
  • What everything that i had built, the foundation that i
  • 00:22:26.935 --> 00:22:29.304
  • Was living from, was built on was that, you know, the enemy
  • 00:22:29.304 --> 00:22:32.574
  • Had all this, these rights and this authority and everything.
  • 00:22:32.574 --> 00:22:36.778
  • And we--
  • 00:22:36.778 --> 00:22:38.013
  • And you were saying earlier that, you know, he was, you
  • 00:22:38.013 --> 00:22:40.782
  • Know, having to find the old ancient curses and, and close
  • 00:22:40.782 --> 00:22:45.420
  • Every door.
  • 00:22:45.420 --> 00:22:46.721
  • And you had to go through all this stuff, and the lord just
  • 00:22:46.721 --> 00:22:50.425
  • Kind of waved his hand at that and wiped that away and said,
  • 00:22:50.425 --> 00:22:53.428
  • Wait a second.
  • 00:22:53.428 --> 00:22:54.463
  • God's moved one big time in history.
  • 00:22:54.463 --> 00:22:58.166
  • It's called the cross.
  • 00:22:58.166 --> 00:22:59.134
  • He defeated, and he called it finished,
  • 00:22:59.134 --> 00:23:02.637
  • So whatever you believe is finished--
  • 00:23:02.637 --> 00:23:05.373
  • Yeah.
  • 00:23:05.373 --> 00:23:06.274
  • Okay. live your life. if you didn't--
  • 00:23:06.274 --> 00:23:07.709
  • If you don't believe something was finished at the cross,
  • 00:23:07.709 --> 00:23:10.645
  • Have at it.
  • 00:23:10.645 --> 00:23:11.880
  • You know, you could be slugging away with all those little
  • 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.883
  • Moments of freedom and trying to get people free, or you just
  • 00:23:14.883 --> 00:23:17.719
  • Wave your hand at it once, based upon the authority of
  • 00:23:17.719 --> 00:23:21.189
  • What jesus did 2000 years ago. restored vision.
  • 00:23:21.189 --> 00:23:24.526
  • You walk through in chapter one, two, three, and four the
  • 00:23:24.526 --> 00:23:29.664
  • Lens of religion, fear, shame, law.
  • 00:23:29.664 --> 00:23:33.301
  • Then your next lenses are love, sonship, truth, and victory.
  • 00:23:33.301 --> 00:23:39.007
  • Yeah. so you had to obliterate all of your writing.
  • 00:23:39.007 --> 00:23:42.310
  • You had to obliterate everything that you had.
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  • You pulled it out and you had to start over.
  • 00:23:44.846 --> 00:23:48.817
  • That was a start over moment.
  • 00:23:48.817 --> 00:23:50.418
  • How long ago was that, mason?
  • 00:23:50.418 --> 00:23:52.287
  • Oh my gosh.
  • 00:23:52.287 --> 00:23:53.054
  • That was um, a little bit over,
  • 00:23:53.054 --> 00:23:55.390
  • It was, it's been over a year now.
  • 00:23:55.390 --> 00:23:57.859
  • Yeah. oh okay.
  • 00:23:57.859 --> 00:23:59.394
  • Pulling them off of the shelf.
  • 00:23:59.394 --> 00:24:01.162
  • Pulled them all offline.
  • 00:24:01.162 --> 00:24:02.397
  • All off of amazon, i mean--
  • 00:24:02.397 --> 00:24:04.266
  • Yeah. just getting rid of it.
  • 00:24:04.266 --> 00:24:05.967
  • So i remember kind of when this happened to matt and i, and it
  • 00:24:05.967 --> 00:24:09.738
  • Was in our living room.
  • 00:24:09.738 --> 00:24:11.973
  • And you know what i felt? i felt like i had been born again.
  • 00:24:11.973 --> 00:24:17.379
  • Yeah.
  • 00:24:17.379 --> 00:24:18.280
  • I, i have loved jesus all of my life.
  • 00:24:18.280 --> 00:24:21.182
  • Raised in a pastor's home.
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  • Never once did i ever want to embarrass the lord.
  • 00:24:22.984 --> 00:24:26.821
  • That was on my list of just
  • 00:24:26.821 --> 00:24:28.924
  • Don't ever let me embarrass you.
  • 00:24:28.924 --> 00:24:30.926
  • And, and i'll never forget when we looked at each other and i
  • 00:24:30.926 --> 00:24:36.565
  • Was like, okay, so, pastor, what you're saying is that
  • 00:24:36.565 --> 00:24:39.200
  • There's not this big fight in heaven of whether the devil is
  • 00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:43.538
  • Going to win or whether god's going to win this one
  • 00:24:43.538 --> 00:24:45.574
  • And there's just this-- because there's no power.
  • 00:24:45.574 --> 00:24:48.410
  • He has no power.
  • 00:24:48.410 --> 00:24:49.544
  • The war is over.
  • 00:24:49.544 --> 00:24:50.645
  • You know, we live in victory already.
  • 00:24:50.645 --> 00:24:52.514
  • And i just remember the freedom that came.
  • 00:24:52.514 --> 00:24:57.218
  • It felt like--
  • 00:24:57.218 --> 00:24:58.453
  • And i, and we got on our knees and we, i said, i want to
  • 00:24:58.453 --> 00:25:03.358
  • Get reborn.
  • 00:25:03.358 --> 00:25:04.526
  • It's a new reality. a new--
  • 00:25:04.526 --> 00:25:06.027
  • And it changed our life.
  • 00:25:06.027 --> 00:25:07.162
  • It changed everything that i thought.
  • 00:25:07.162 --> 00:25:08.897
  • And i love what you said about identity because when you're a
  • 00:25:08.897 --> 00:25:13.501
  • Son and when you're a daughter, nothing can separate you from
  • 00:25:13.501 --> 00:25:17.372
  • The love of god.
  • 00:25:17.372 --> 00:25:18.740
  • When you get that, when you know that
  • 00:25:18.740 --> 00:25:22.644
  • There's not anything that would, i would ever want to do
  • 00:25:22.644 --> 00:25:26.915
  • To separate, but there's nothing i could actually do--
  • 00:25:26.915 --> 00:25:30.118
  • Yeah. you know, to separate.
  • 00:25:30.118 --> 00:25:32.287
  • I will always be cliff orndorff's daughter.
  • 00:25:32.287 --> 00:25:35.290
  • There is nothing in the world that i can do about that.
  • 00:25:35.290 --> 00:25:38.927
  • And i believe that when you're, when you're a believer and
  • 00:25:38.927 --> 00:25:42.664
  • Receive jesus christ as your lord and savior,
  • 00:25:42.664 --> 00:25:45.300
  • There is nothing that you can do.
  • 00:25:45.300 --> 00:25:47.569
  • You will always be god's daughter.
  • 00:25:47.569 --> 00:25:49.571
  • You'll always be.
  • 00:25:49.571 --> 00:25:50.905
  • And that revelation takes away the,
  • 00:25:50.905 --> 00:25:54.576
  • Takes away the whole sin consciousness that i'm not
  • 00:25:54.576 --> 00:25:57.445
  • Worried about because you don't want to sin
  • 00:25:57.445 --> 00:26:00.248
  • First of all, because of the love and the kindness of god.
  • 00:26:00.248 --> 00:26:03.718
  • Right. right.
  • 00:26:03.718 --> 00:26:04.686
  • When you're a son and daughter,
  • 00:26:04.686 --> 00:26:06.221
  • I mean, i would do anything not
  • 00:26:06.221 --> 00:26:07.522
  • To embarrass my parents, you know?
  • 00:26:07.522 --> 00:26:09.891
  • Right? or do something against my parents.
  • 00:26:09.891 --> 00:26:13.695
  • And how much greater--
  • 00:26:13.695 --> 00:26:15.397
  • I mean, that sounds silly, but how much greater is
  • 00:26:15.397 --> 00:26:17.599
  • God's love towards us?
  • 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:18.867
  • And so it was about identity.
  • 00:26:18.867 --> 00:26:21.469
  • Yeah. and nothing can change
  • 00:26:21.469 --> 00:26:23.004
  • The fact that you're a son or a daughter.
  • 00:26:23.004 --> 00:26:24.739
  • And it's like, that's where you really begin to feel that like,
  • 00:26:24.739 --> 00:26:27.709
  • Wow, i am accepted. i am, and i belong.
  • 00:26:27.709 --> 00:26:31.613
  • Yeah. okay. but go to that moment,
  • 00:26:31.613 --> 00:26:33.748
  • Mason, for me, just that inciting incident.
  • 00:26:33.748 --> 00:26:36.818
  • Repeat what the lord said to you and what you thought about
  • 00:26:36.818 --> 00:26:40.989
  • It immediately after that.
  • 00:26:40.989 --> 00:26:43.158
  • Take us to that moment.
  • 00:26:43.158 --> 00:26:44.426
  • Yeah, that moment was, i'll never forget it my whole life,
  • 00:26:44.426 --> 00:26:47.462
  • You know. i like how you said it was
  • 00:26:47.462 --> 00:26:50.031
  • Felt like you were like born again again.
  • 00:26:50.031 --> 00:26:52.667
  • Like, and that's, that's how it did feel.
  • 00:26:52.667 --> 00:26:54.436
  • But it was, i remember feeling such a freedom and such a
  • 00:26:54.436 --> 00:26:59.007
  • Relief when jesus said, it is finished on the cross,
  • 00:26:59.007 --> 00:27:02.510
  • The depth to what that really means is mind blowing.
  • 00:27:02.510 --> 00:27:05.847
  • When jesus said it is finished, he wasn't just declaring that
  • 00:27:05.847 --> 00:27:08.349
  • His suffering was over. he was declaring
  • 00:27:08.349 --> 00:27:10.085
  • That our striving was over.
  • 00:27:10.085 --> 00:27:12.320
  • Those words ended the distance between us and the father.
  • 00:27:12.320 --> 00:27:15.623
  • They ended the exhausting cycle of trying to be enough, do
  • 00:27:15.623 --> 00:27:18.893
  • Enough, prove enough.
  • 00:27:18.893 --> 00:27:21.963
  • The word he used tetelestai
  • 00:27:21.963 --> 00:27:24.165
  • In the greek means paid in full.
  • 00:27:24.165 --> 00:27:27.102
  • Every debt canceled, every sin forgiven, every wall between
  • 00:27:27.102 --> 00:27:29.971
  • You and god removed.
  • 00:27:29.971 --> 00:27:31.539
  • The law's demands were completely fulfilled.
  • 00:27:31.539 --> 00:27:34.976
  • The price for relationship was paid forever.
  • 00:27:34.976 --> 00:27:37.011
  • The vale tore because separation has ended and from
  • 00:27:37.011 --> 00:27:41.116
  • That moment on the father was no longer far away.
  • 00:27:41.116 --> 00:27:43.485
  • He now lives in you.
  • 00:27:43.485 --> 00:27:45.286
  • Your eternal salvation was secured, locked in for good.
  • 00:27:45.286 --> 00:27:49.023
  • The cross didn't make salvation
  • 00:27:49.023 --> 00:27:50.492
  • Temporary, it made it unbreakable.
  • 00:27:50.492 --> 00:27:53.394
  • And the maker of the covenant is the one responsible
  • 00:27:53.394 --> 00:27:55.563
  • For keeping it.
  • 00:27:55.563 --> 00:27:57.832
  • This is the gospel, not a gospel of effort, but of rest.
  • 00:27:57.832 --> 00:28:03.505
  • Not a gospel of performance, but of presence and grace.
  • 00:28:03.505 --> 00:28:08.209
  • Not a gospel of fear, but of family.
  • 00:28:08.209 --> 00:28:11.346
  • When jesus said it is finished, he meant you never have to live
  • 00:28:11.346 --> 00:28:14.048
  • Apart from the father again.
  • 00:28:14.048 --> 00:28:17.352
  • So if you ever feel that you need to do more,
  • 00:28:17.352 --> 00:28:20.889
  • Remember the doing has been done.
  • 00:28:20.889 --> 00:28:22.891
  • You are forgiven.
  • 00:28:22.891 --> 00:28:24.192
  • You're eternally secure, you're accepted, and you're home with
  • 00:28:24.192 --> 00:28:28.096
  • The father forever.
  • 00:28:28.096 --> 00:28:30.465
  • All of this, if you just receive the free gift by
  • 00:28:30.465 --> 00:28:33.501
  • Believing in jesus, trusting in what he's done.
  • 00:28:33.501 --> 00:28:37.105
  • It's absolutely beautiful.
  • 00:28:37.105 --> 00:28:40.475
  • It was such this, this relief.
  • 00:28:40.475 --> 00:28:42.110
  • And you know, it was hard.
  • 00:28:42.110 --> 00:28:45.680
  • I mean, yeah, it was hard because of course everything
  • 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.249
  • That i had worked on fell apart. yeah.
  • 00:28:48.249 --> 00:28:51.252
  • But, but i didn't really,
  • 00:28:51.252 --> 00:28:52.554
  • I didn't feel negatively about that.
  • 00:28:52.554 --> 00:28:55.757
  • It was more of like, you know, how i told you, like, i just
  • 00:28:55.757 --> 00:28:58.359
  • Want to, i want to know the truth.
  • 00:28:58.359 --> 00:28:59.761
  • And i want to, you know, so my posture towards it was i'm
  • 00:28:59.761 --> 00:29:03.698
  • Relieved and i'm happy and i'm, i feel free and i can,
  • 00:29:03.698 --> 00:29:07.068
  • And i can start over.
  • 00:29:07.068 --> 00:29:08.436
  • And it's refreshing.
  • 00:29:08.436 --> 00:29:09.504
  • Wow. so when you say start over theologically,
  • 00:29:09.504 --> 00:29:13.141
  • You started over that day. i did.
  • 00:29:13.141 --> 00:29:16.077
  • You, you, you had a encounter with truth.
  • 00:29:16.077 --> 00:29:23.084
  • You'll know the truth.
  • 00:29:23.084 --> 00:29:24.252
  • The truth will make you free.
  • 00:29:24.252 --> 00:29:26.254
  • What happened then?
  • 00:29:26.254 --> 00:29:28.156
  • So what from that point of that encounter, you've written a
  • 00:29:28.156 --> 00:29:35.263
  • Number of books.
  • 00:29:35.263 --> 00:29:36.698
  • This one, restored vision is available on, i'm sure, amazon
  • 00:29:36.698 --> 00:29:41.736
  • And all that and or mason's
  • 00:29:41.736 --> 00:29:44.873
  • Website, which is, uh, on the screen.
  • 00:29:44.873 --> 00:29:47.976
  • So day one of rebuilding your theology because it had just
  • 00:29:47.976 --> 00:29:54.515
  • Whiplashed there for a few minutes.
  • 00:29:54.515 --> 00:29:57.986
  • Yeah, everything like it felt like everything fell apart,
  • 00:29:57.986 --> 00:30:01.289
  • Like the world turned upside down.
  • 00:30:01.289 --> 00:30:03.124
  • And, and now i'm on this journey of having to unlearn
  • 00:30:03.124 --> 00:30:06.895
  • Everything and, like, start over.
  • 00:30:06.895 --> 00:30:10.131
  • But, but what's what's amazing about that is how you said the
  • 00:30:10.131 --> 00:30:13.301
  • Truth will set you free.
  • 00:30:13.301 --> 00:30:15.036
  • I also at the same time, i got a revelation myself of what
  • 00:30:15.036 --> 00:30:18.773
  • That really means
  • 00:30:18.773 --> 00:30:20.541
  • Because when that, when that, that shift hit me, i realized
  • 00:30:20.541 --> 00:30:25.847
  • There really is no chasing freedom.
  • 00:30:25.847 --> 00:30:27.415
  • And that means i'm free right now.
  • 00:30:27.415 --> 00:30:29.450
  • Wow. that's awesome.
  • 00:30:29.450 --> 00:30:31.686
  • Yeah. so it was like a, it was a massive revelation for me
  • 00:30:31.686 --> 00:30:34.589
  • Too, that like, wow, i am, i am
  • 00:30:34.589 --> 00:30:36.524
  • Fully free right now and everything,
  • 00:30:36.524 --> 00:30:40.595
  • I can live from that place.
  • 00:30:40.595 --> 00:30:43.231
  • And it does change,
  • 00:30:43.231 --> 00:30:45.533
  • It changes all the things that you think about.
  • 00:30:45.533 --> 00:30:49.470
  • Yeah.
  • 00:30:49.470 --> 00:30:50.705
  • Right? because i remember that day that, that, and it was
  • 00:30:50.705 --> 00:30:54.542
  • Spending time with some people and
  • 00:30:54.542 --> 00:30:58.513
  • Talking about the breakthrough.
  • 00:30:58.513 --> 00:31:00.048
  • Well, there was something that
  • 00:31:00.048 --> 00:31:00.882
  • Was holding back the breakthrough.
  • 00:31:00.882 --> 00:31:02.483
  • And i just thought, my god, how
  • 00:31:02.483 --> 00:31:04.752
  • Many, how many times can we pray for--
  • 00:31:04.752 --> 00:31:08.423
  • I know, i'm sorry, but it was like there's always something
  • 00:31:08.423 --> 00:31:12.393
  • Stopping what god has for you.
  • 00:31:12.393 --> 00:31:15.396
  • Stuff that had to have a prophet tell me, you know, that
  • 00:31:15.396 --> 00:31:19.133
  • Something happened in your mother's past.
  • 00:31:19.133 --> 00:31:20.935
  • 1500 years ago.
  • 00:31:20.935 --> 00:31:22.270
  • Scared by a spider, and this happened and yeah,
  • 00:31:22.270 --> 00:31:24.672
  • And i was like going, these poor people that don't have a
  • 00:31:24.672 --> 00:31:27.508
  • Prophet in their life to tell them what's wrong
  • 00:31:27.508 --> 00:31:30.678
  • That's keeping, holding back the blessing of god
  • 00:31:30.678 --> 00:31:33.915
  • Or your dreams and visions.
  • 00:31:33.915 --> 00:31:35.383
  • Everyone has a dream.
  • 00:31:35.383 --> 00:31:36.684
  • And so you're always thinking the devil
  • 00:31:36.684 --> 00:31:39.020
  • Stopping your dreams.
  • 00:31:39.020 --> 00:31:39.620
  • Something stopping that.
  • 00:31:39.620 --> 00:31:41.022
  • And i got in the car driving
  • 00:31:41.022 --> 00:31:43.391
  • Back home and i went nuts.
  • 00:31:43.391 --> 00:31:45.960
  • And i said, either he did or he didn't.
  • 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.130
  • Either we're free or we're not.
  • 00:31:49.130 --> 00:31:51.933
  • And i said, poor people that don't have a prophet in their
  • 00:31:51.933 --> 00:31:55.570
  • Life to tell them what's wrong.
  • 00:31:55.570 --> 00:31:57.972
  • And, you know, and i was out of my mind and thought,
  • 00:31:57.972 --> 00:32:02.010
  • I am digging in.
  • 00:32:02.010 --> 00:32:03.544
  • I am a daughter of god.
  • 00:32:03.544 --> 00:32:05.480
  • Nothing is ever going to change that.
  • 00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:07.115
  • There is nothing standing between me and what god has for
  • 00:32:07.115 --> 00:32:11.119
  • Me that has any power that can suck the life out of me, or
  • 00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:15.556
  • That can take my stuff, or that can destroy me and god's
  • 00:32:15.556 --> 00:32:20.528
  • Plan for my life.
  • 00:32:20.528 --> 00:32:22.163
  • Get behind me, satan.
  • 00:32:22.163 --> 00:32:23.197
  • I'm never going to look at you again.
  • 00:32:23.197 --> 00:32:25.199
  • Restored vision.
  • 00:32:25.199 --> 00:32:26.734
  • A journey into clear sight,
  • 00:32:26.734 --> 00:32:28.669
  • True identity, and the father's heart.
  • 00:32:28.669 --> 00:32:30.671
  • Written by laurie crouch.
  • 00:32:30.671 --> 00:32:31.906
  • No, actually written by mason.
  • 00:32:31.906 --> 00:32:34.842
  • Don't get me started.
  • 00:32:34.842 --> 00:32:36.077
  • So you hit--
  • 00:32:36.077 --> 00:32:37.745
  • When we were talking earlier,
  • 00:32:37.745 --> 00:32:40.214
  • I knew she was going to get fired up.
  • 00:32:40.214 --> 00:32:42.583
  • You had largely the same experience in uniquely
  • 00:32:42.583 --> 00:32:46.854
  • Different ways.
  • 00:32:46.854 --> 00:32:48.423
  • But there was a point in time
  • 00:32:48.423 --> 00:32:50.858
  • Where she just finally said this--
  • 00:32:50.858 --> 00:32:54.796
  • She would have gone through a journey if she wasn't probably
  • 00:32:54.796 --> 00:33:00.068
  • A mature preacher's kid, lover of jesus.
  • 00:33:00.068 --> 00:33:04.806
  • She would have probably journeyed away from god
  • 00:33:04.806 --> 00:33:08.109
  • Because-- it's too hard.
  • 00:33:08.109 --> 00:33:09.277
  • It was just too hard.
  • 00:33:09.277 --> 00:33:10.445
  • Too much pressure.
  • 00:33:10.445 --> 00:33:12.080
  • There was just too much to do.
  • 00:33:12.080 --> 00:33:15.016
  • And it wasn't simple.
  • 00:33:15.016 --> 00:33:16.717
  • You're never going to get there.
  • 00:33:16.717 --> 00:33:17.652
  • Where did the scripture--
  • 00:33:17.652 --> 00:33:18.653
  • You know, why didn't anyone ever preach,
  • 00:33:18.653 --> 00:33:20.888
  • Come unto me all those who are heavy laden, and i'll
  • 00:33:20.888 --> 00:33:23.658
  • Give you rest, you know.
  • 00:33:23.658 --> 00:33:25.660
  • And so there was a moment in time when the lord started you
  • 00:33:25.660 --> 00:33:30.932
  • On a journey of rest.
  • 00:33:30.932 --> 00:33:33.634
  • Uh. true identity, clear sight.
  • 00:33:33.634 --> 00:33:36.838
  • God opened your eyes.
  • 00:33:36.838 --> 00:33:38.206
  • True identity, and the father's heart.
  • 00:33:38.206 --> 00:33:41.142
  • Start your rebuilding of your kind of theology from that
  • 00:33:41.142 --> 00:33:47.148
  • Point forward that, you know, got you to the point of writing
  • 00:33:47.148 --> 00:33:52.120
  • Again, uh, with a completely turned upside down world.
  • 00:33:52.120 --> 00:33:57.558
  • Or right side up.
  • 00:33:57.558 --> 00:33:58.793
  • Yeah. or right side up.
  • 00:33:58.793 --> 00:34:00.061
  • Yeah. so yeah, the process of unlearning what that really
  • 00:34:00.061 --> 00:34:03.998
  • Was, i like to call that my process of learning
  • 00:34:03.998 --> 00:34:08.169
  • How to actually rest.
  • 00:34:08.169 --> 00:34:11.339
  • And in order to do that, what i was noticing that i had to do
  • 00:34:11.339 --> 00:34:15.443
  • Was i had to learn how to be a son.
  • 00:34:15.443 --> 00:34:17.979
  • I had to learn, what does it mean?
  • 00:34:17.979 --> 00:34:21.349
  • It's like, okay, i know that the work is done.
  • 00:34:21.349 --> 00:34:23.451
  • Jesus finished the work and i get to live from that place.
  • 00:34:23.451 --> 00:34:26.287
  • But what does it mean to be a son?
  • 00:34:26.287 --> 00:34:27.755
  • What does that mean
  • 00:34:27.755 --> 00:34:29.557
  • To be a son of the creator of all things, the father?
  • 00:34:29.557 --> 00:34:32.560
  • So i was learning from what i once thought i knew
  • 00:34:32.560 --> 00:34:36.697
  • Intellectually, i'm now learning it at a heart level.
  • 00:34:36.697 --> 00:34:40.301
  • Beautiful.
  • 00:34:40.301 --> 00:34:41.402
  • What it actually means to be a son and to to live
  • 00:34:41.402 --> 00:34:44.205
  • Accepted, to live, fully known,
  • 00:34:44.205 --> 00:34:45.907
  • Fully seen, fully loved as a son
  • 00:34:45.907 --> 00:34:48.943
  • And that nothing changes that.
  • 00:34:48.943 --> 00:34:51.512
  • And, and everything that that goes against that or everything
  • 00:34:51.512 --> 00:34:55.416
  • That contradicts that,
  • 00:34:55.416 --> 00:34:57.418
  • I'm having to pull that away.
  • 00:34:57.418 --> 00:34:59.820
  • There was a, a moment in our lives when, when the lord was
  • 00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:06.260
  • Describing to us something he wanted us to learn based on the
  • 00:35:06.260 --> 00:35:09.263
  • Life of david and solomon, and
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  • David couldn't build the temple.
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  • He had shed too much blood, but unto him would be born a son,
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  • Solomon, who would build the dwelling place
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  • Of god on earth.
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  • And it said of him that there was no evil occurrence nor
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  • Enemy on any border.
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  • And the lord showed us the life of warfare through david, and
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  • The life of rest and peace and authority in solomon, in
  • 00:35:34.188 --> 00:35:39.093
  • Productivity, the greatest kingdom, probably in history
  • 00:35:39.093 --> 00:35:43.130
  • Under solomon.
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  • And that's the way the lord started showing this us years
  • 00:35:44.899 --> 00:35:48.035
  • And years and years ago. wow.
  • 00:35:48.035 --> 00:35:49.837
  • And i had the most interesting moment.
  • 00:35:49.837 --> 00:35:53.140
  • My dad, one day we were sitting together and he'd been quiet
  • 00:35:53.140 --> 00:35:56.677
  • For a while.
  • 00:35:56.677 --> 00:35:57.878
  • And he looked at me and he goes, out of the blue mason,
  • 00:35:57.878 --> 00:36:01.415
  • I mean, this is just something that was in our private time
  • 00:36:01.415 --> 00:36:03.684
  • And we weren't sharing, you know, this.
  • 00:36:03.684 --> 00:36:05.519
  • And he looked at me, pointed at me across
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  • And he goes, it's almost like i'm david and you're solomon.
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  • You know? wow.
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  • And i just, you know,
  • 00:36:13.628 --> 00:36:14.528
  • Kind of do one of these kind of things.
  • 00:36:14.528 --> 00:36:16.364
  • Like, why did you say that?
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  • What? what do you mean?
  • 00:36:18.266 --> 00:36:20.268
  • And, we went on to have a discussion about how it felt
  • 00:36:20.268 --> 00:36:27.375
  • Like the early years of tbn were all around fighting, had
  • 00:36:27.375 --> 00:36:33.748
  • To fight this and fight that and fight board members and
  • 00:36:33.748 --> 00:36:36.751
  • Fight this and fight the fcc.
  • 00:36:36.751 --> 00:36:39.020
  • And it was just a big giant knock down, drag out, you know,
  • 00:36:39.020 --> 00:36:43.658
  • And he was recognizing
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  • That in our generation, the brief time that we had when he
  • 00:36:46.193 --> 00:36:50.298
  • Was still alive and seeing this is that it was more about
  • 00:36:50.298 --> 00:36:54.935
  • Messaging the right thing.
  • 00:36:54.935 --> 00:36:56.837
  • And this, this understanding, uh, that my dad was opening his
  • 00:36:56.837 --> 00:37:02.343
  • Eyes to, it was like he was getting this revelation.
  • 00:37:02.343 --> 00:37:05.479
  • He was the one that said, you know, washington for jesus,
  • 00:37:05.479 --> 00:37:09.583
  • God's done all he's ever going to do about the devil.
  • 00:37:09.583 --> 00:37:13.988
  • He's done all he's ever going to do.
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  • It's called the cross. it's a finished work.
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  • So restored vision.
  • 00:37:18.526 --> 00:37:20.995
  • Your vision has been restored.
  • 00:37:20.995 --> 00:37:23.597
  • What's the big lesson you've learned over the last bit of
  • 00:37:23.597 --> 00:37:30.338
  • Your rebuilding of your theology?
  • 00:37:30.338 --> 00:37:34.375
  • What do you know now that you didn't know then?
  • 00:37:34.375 --> 00:37:37.178
  • And how has it changed you?
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  • We're all in this process of
  • 00:37:38.713 --> 00:37:39.880
  • Learning to trust the father more.
  • 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.983
  • It's this journey of learning how to rest and learning how to
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  • Embrace his love.
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  • And, um, and like i said, you know, through that filtering
  • 00:37:51.192 --> 00:37:56.831
  • Out everything that contradicts that, because it's all about
  • 00:37:56.831 --> 00:38:00.000
  • Living from rest, living from rest.
  • 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:03.337
  • So everything that contradicts that, it's, it's, it's going to
  • 00:38:03.337 --> 00:38:06.974
  • Exhaust you.
  • 00:38:06.974 --> 00:38:08.509
  • You know, it's, it's, it's performance, it's pressure,
  • 00:38:08.509 --> 00:38:11.078
  • It's striving.
  • 00:38:11.078 --> 00:38:12.380
  • It's, you know, so, um, so it's really just seeking the father
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  • On how do i live from that place of rest and live from
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  • Your love, from acceptance.
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  • And gosh, that's the biggest thing.
  • 00:38:23.724 --> 00:38:26.160
  • And, and, and it can be difficult
  • 00:38:26.160 --> 00:38:28.596
  • To get your head around.
  • 00:38:28.596 --> 00:38:29.764
  • We, we use a slightly different term
  • 00:38:29.764 --> 00:38:32.466
  • Typically here. instead of praying for victory,
  • 00:38:32.466 --> 00:38:37.071
  • We pray from victory.
  • 00:38:37.071 --> 00:38:39.974
  • Mhm. okay.
  • 00:38:39.974 --> 00:38:41.041
  • So that's kind of how--
  • 00:38:41.041 --> 00:38:42.309
  • And we love the declarative type prayer, mason, that that
  • 00:38:42.309 --> 00:38:46.714
  • Agrees with the finished work of the cross, that our the
  • 00:38:46.714 --> 00:38:50.117
  • Symptoms in our bodies
  • 00:38:50.117 --> 00:38:51.719
  • If you're praying for healing, agrees with the perfection of
  • 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.756
  • What christ paid for at the cross. we'd like to agree.
  • 00:38:55.756 --> 00:39:00.461
  • Instead of a prayer trying to finish the work of the cross,
  • 00:39:00.461 --> 00:39:05.866
  • We like to agree and declare that the, that the work
  • 00:39:05.866 --> 00:39:09.503
  • Is already done.
  • 00:39:09.503 --> 00:39:10.538
  • Yeah. because the good news is, is declared.
  • 00:39:10.538 --> 00:39:13.107
  • Yeah. right.
  • 00:39:13.107 --> 00:39:14.308
  • Yeah. so how has it changed your, um, belief system in
  • 00:39:14.308 --> 00:39:21.348
  • Knowing that if jesus has all
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  • Power, how much does the devil have?
  • 00:39:24.151 --> 00:39:26.687
  • Which makes me giggle.
  • 00:39:26.687 --> 00:39:28.489
  • Um, and a lot of people say, well, as much as we give him.
  • 00:39:28.489 --> 00:39:31.992
  • Well, where is that in the bible?
  • 00:39:31.992 --> 00:39:33.694
  • Right. where we can give--
  • 00:39:33.694 --> 00:39:35.863
  • Delegate. delegate power back to him.
  • 00:39:35.863 --> 00:39:40.267
  • So when bad things happen, when those trials and those
  • 00:39:40.267 --> 00:39:43.804
  • Tribulations come to the mason house, what do you do?
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  • How has it changed your mind
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  • And your thinking on stuff like that?
  • 00:39:49.443 --> 00:39:51.445
  • Yeah, i love how you said that, you know, because you're not,
  • 00:39:51.445 --> 00:39:54.548
  • You're not, you can't give him power.
  • 00:39:54.548 --> 00:39:56.350
  • But so i think the way a better way to even explain it would be
  • 00:39:56.350 --> 00:40:01.455
  • What are you focusing on? right.
  • 00:40:01.455 --> 00:40:04.191
  • Like, are you focusing on on the lies?
  • 00:40:04.191 --> 00:40:07.928
  • Yeah. and i think that's a big thing.
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  • You know, it's what actually is true.
  • 00:40:09.830 --> 00:40:12.566
  • Yeah. and as a man thinks, so is he.
  • 00:40:12.566 --> 00:40:14.835
  • Yeah. there you go.
  • 00:40:14.835 --> 00:40:15.903
  • So you can have whatever you believe.
  • 00:40:15.903 --> 00:40:18.105
  • Yeah, exactly. that's it.
  • 00:40:18.105 --> 00:40:20.140
  • And it's like, am i giving my attention to
  • 00:40:20.140 --> 00:40:22.943
  • Something that's not true?
  • 00:40:22.943 --> 00:40:24.512
  • Mhm. or am i giving my
  • 00:40:24.512 --> 00:40:26.046
  • Attention to what he says is true?
  • 00:40:26.046 --> 00:40:28.148
  • Right. i think that's the biggest thing.
  • 00:40:28.148 --> 00:40:30.017
  • You know, that's something that, you know, i'm always
  • 00:40:30.017 --> 00:40:33.053
  • Having to think about, you know, especially when trials
  • 00:40:33.053 --> 00:40:35.656
  • And tribulations come and it's like, okay,
  • 00:40:35.656 --> 00:40:38.692
  • If i'm, if i'm really feeling like i'm in something right
  • 00:40:38.692 --> 00:40:41.595
  • Now, i have to like, i have to stop and think and kind of
  • 00:40:41.595 --> 00:40:45.966
  • Analyze, okay, where am i at in my mind?
  • 00:40:45.966 --> 00:40:48.602
  • Am i,
  • 00:40:48.602 --> 00:40:50.304
  • Am i, am i focusing?
  • 00:40:50.304 --> 00:40:51.672
  • Am i giving my attention to
  • 00:40:51.672 --> 00:40:52.673
  • Something that's actually not true?
  • 00:40:52.673 --> 00:40:54.675
  • And do i have to like, shift that to what is true?
  • 00:40:54.675 --> 00:40:57.678
  • And then you notice when you do that, you'll notice how it
  • 00:40:57.678 --> 00:41:00.748
  • Really does change it. yeah.
  • 00:41:00.748 --> 00:41:03.817
  • Everything starts with identity.
  • 00:41:03.817 --> 00:41:05.553
  • When you look at your life, your thoughts, your emotions,
  • 00:41:05.553 --> 00:41:08.122
  • The way you respond to stress, the choices you make every day,
  • 00:41:08.122 --> 00:41:11.759
  • It all traces back to one thing.
  • 00:41:11.759 --> 00:41:13.794
  • Identity, who you believe you are at the very core.
  • 00:41:13.794 --> 00:41:17.531
  • Most people think their habits
  • 00:41:17.531 --> 00:41:18.766
  • Or their emotions are the problem.
  • 00:41:18.766 --> 00:41:20.734
  • They think their behavior is the problem.
  • 00:41:20.734 --> 00:41:23.037
  • They think they need more discipline or more effort
  • 00:41:23.037 --> 00:41:25.139
  • Or more trying.
  • 00:41:25.139 --> 00:41:27.141
  • But the real issue is this, everything begins and flows
  • 00:41:27.141 --> 00:41:31.045
  • From who you believe you are.
  • 00:41:31.045 --> 00:41:33.681
  • Identity shapes what you believe and what you believe
  • 00:41:33.681 --> 00:41:37.017
  • Shapes your mindset.
  • 00:41:37.017 --> 00:41:38.786
  • Your mindset shapes your emotions, and your emotions
  • 00:41:38.786 --> 00:41:43.023
  • Shape your behavior, and your behavior becomes habits.
  • 00:41:43.023 --> 00:41:47.328
  • Those habits create outcomes, and those outcomes reinforce
  • 00:41:47.328 --> 00:41:50.431
  • Your sense of identity.
  • 00:41:50.431 --> 00:41:52.132
  • It's a cycle.
  • 00:41:52.132 --> 00:41:53.701
  • This is why so many believers stay stuck in striving.
  • 00:41:53.701 --> 00:41:57.972
  • They're trying to change their behavior while still believing
  • 00:41:57.972 --> 00:42:01.342
  • They're broken, distant, or not enough.
  • 00:42:01.342 --> 00:42:04.745
  • They're trying to force fruit out of a root that's unhealthy.
  • 00:42:04.745 --> 00:42:08.882
  • But god never asked you to start with the fruit.
  • 00:42:08.882 --> 00:42:11.652
  • He always starts with the root.
  • 00:42:11.652 --> 00:42:14.655
  • When you know you're a son or daughter, everything changes.
  • 00:42:14.655 --> 00:42:18.459
  • Not because you try harder, but because truth changes the way
  • 00:42:18.459 --> 00:42:22.763
  • That you see.
  • 00:42:22.763 --> 00:42:24.732
  • Truth changes what you believe.
  • 00:42:24.732 --> 00:42:27.668
  • Truth shapes the way you think, feel, and live.
  • 00:42:27.668 --> 00:42:31.138
  • Identity transforms you from the inside out.
  • 00:42:31.138 --> 00:42:35.376
  • You know what i love about the word of god is that it tells us
  • 00:42:35.376 --> 00:42:38.212
  • Exactly what to do in all of these circumstances.
  • 00:42:38.212 --> 00:42:42.750
  • It tells us that the things that we think about
  • 00:42:42.750 --> 00:42:45.419
  • To renew our mind.
  • 00:42:45.419 --> 00:42:47.388
  • So just get your mind thinking about something else.
  • 00:42:47.388 --> 00:42:50.958
  • It talks about when you know you're going through a health
  • 00:42:50.958 --> 00:42:54.161
  • Situation, it, it says, i am the healer.
  • 00:42:54.161 --> 00:42:57.331
  • And it, it just gives us
  • 00:42:57.331 --> 00:42:59.133
  • Everything that we need to know.
  • 00:42:59.133 --> 00:43:00.868
  • And i'm not saying that well enough, but everything to do,
  • 00:43:00.868 --> 00:43:05.406
  • Everything to think, you know, think on these things.
  • 00:43:05.406 --> 00:43:09.243
  • Everything that's love, joy, peace, long suffering,
  • 00:43:09.243 --> 00:43:11.512
  • Goodness, all that good stuff, all the things is right here
  • 00:43:11.512 --> 00:43:15.549
  • In the word of god.
  • 00:43:15.549 --> 00:43:16.717
  • And so we're never without an answer.
  • 00:43:16.717 --> 00:43:20.487
  • We're never void.
  • 00:43:20.487 --> 00:43:22.289
  • We're never empty without god
  • 00:43:22.289 --> 00:43:25.025
  • Answering us somehow in his word is how to think.
  • 00:43:25.025 --> 00:43:28.495
  • So i think that every circumstance that comes our
  • 00:43:28.495 --> 00:43:31.465
  • Way, everything that's negative, everything that is
  • 00:43:31.465 --> 00:43:35.669
  • Opposing our faith, is just something to drive us into the
  • 00:43:35.669 --> 00:43:39.673
  • Word of god and into god.
  • 00:43:39.673 --> 00:43:43.010
  • It's an invitation. revelation.
  • 00:43:43.010 --> 00:43:44.211
  • Absolutely, absolutely.
  • 00:43:44.211 --> 00:43:46.680
  • And when you're free, you know that no weapon formed
  • 00:43:46.680 --> 00:43:50.584
  • Against us prospers. yeah.
  • 00:43:50.584 --> 00:43:52.953
  • Right. and so whatever i put my mind to, all my thoughts,
  • 00:43:52.953 --> 00:43:57.324
  • I acknowledge the lord in all
  • 00:43:57.324 --> 00:43:58.792
  • My ways, and he'll direct my path
  • 00:43:58.792 --> 00:44:00.627
  • So i'll know where to go.
  • 00:44:00.627 --> 00:44:01.995
  • I'll know what to do.
  • 00:44:01.995 --> 00:44:03.630
  • So everything is leaning in to the word of god, and
  • 00:44:03.630 --> 00:44:08.168
  • Knowing that i am safe and that nothing can separate me from
  • 00:44:08.168 --> 00:44:13.107
  • The love of god because i am cliff orndorff's daughter.
  • 00:44:13.107 --> 00:44:18.979
  • Laurie's new book, restored
  • 00:44:18.979 --> 00:44:22.116
  • Vision, is available at amazon and--
  • 00:44:22.116 --> 00:44:27.121
  • Stop.
  • 00:44:27.121 --> 00:44:30.124
  • Um, the identity issue and what you're going to believe
  • 00:44:30.124 --> 00:44:37.297
  • In a time of trial,
  • 00:44:37.297 --> 00:44:40.834
  • What you're going to think about in a time of trial is, is
  • 00:44:40.834 --> 00:44:46.840
  • Really where the rubber hits the road in this discussion.
  • 00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:50.377
  • That's right. so we've walked through
  • 00:44:50.377 --> 00:44:52.412
  • Performance isn't going to work.
  • 00:44:52.412 --> 00:44:54.515
  • It just burns you out.
  • 00:44:54.515 --> 00:44:55.849
  • Doubling down, going deeper into, you know, the rabbit hole
  • 00:44:55.849 --> 00:45:00.888
  • Is going to burn you out.
  • 00:45:00.888 --> 00:45:02.356
  • And finally the lord says, you know, you're wasting
  • 00:45:02.356 --> 00:45:06.994
  • Your time in essence, because you're going into deliverance
  • 00:45:06.994 --> 00:45:11.064
  • Ministry based upon your thought that the, that the
  • 00:45:11.064 --> 00:45:13.801
  • Enemy actually has power.
  • 00:45:13.801 --> 00:45:15.102
  • So he has no power.
  • 00:45:15.102 --> 00:45:17.871
  • All he, all he can do is lie.
  • 00:45:17.871 --> 00:45:20.107
  • And you either believe the truth or a lie.
  • 00:45:20.107 --> 00:45:23.277
  • Jesus said, you'll know the truth and it'll make you free.
  • 00:45:23.277 --> 00:45:26.280
  • What's the transverse of that?
  • 00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:27.748
  • You don't know the truth and you're not made free.
  • 00:45:27.748 --> 00:45:30.284
  • Right. so you spent some of your theological years writing
  • 00:45:30.284 --> 00:45:35.355
  • Books about not knowing the truth and not being set free.
  • 00:45:35.355 --> 00:45:39.393
  • Now you're writing books about
  • 00:45:39.393 --> 00:45:41.295
  • Knowing truth and being set free.
  • 00:45:41.295 --> 00:45:43.564
  • Is that fair enough?
  • 00:45:43.564 --> 00:45:44.698
  • Yeah, you said that great.
  • 00:45:44.698 --> 00:45:46.733
  • If somebody is going,
  • 00:45:46.733 --> 00:45:51.405
  • Okay, i like this guy, but i
  • 00:45:51.405 --> 00:45:53.106
  • Don't know if he's crazy or not,
  • 00:45:53.106 --> 00:45:55.275
  • And the lady-- the nut.
  • 00:45:55.275 --> 00:45:57.578
  • Yeah. the two authors of the book, laurie and mason--
  • 00:45:57.578 --> 00:46:00.347
  • I did not write this book.
  • 00:46:00.347 --> 00:46:02.216
  • And and i want to give you an
  • 00:46:02.216 --> 00:46:04.484
  • Opportunity to, to talk to folks
  • 00:46:04.484 --> 00:46:08.455
  • Much like you do online.
  • 00:46:08.455 --> 00:46:10.324
  • And, you know, we've had little bits of your channel and your,
  • 00:46:10.324 --> 00:46:14.995
  • Your content that you've created kind of peppered in
  • 00:46:14.995 --> 00:46:17.798
  • Through this broadcast.
  • 00:46:17.798 --> 00:46:20.067
  • Now that you, we've walked through this journey, we've
  • 00:46:20.067 --> 00:46:23.237
  • Kind of got the story out.
  • 00:46:23.237 --> 00:46:25.005
  • Your life was completely changed and turned.
  • 00:46:25.005 --> 00:46:29.443
  • It was upside down.
  • 00:46:29.443 --> 00:46:30.544
  • Now it's right side up and you--
  • 00:46:30.544 --> 00:46:33.814
  • Through a simple word from the lord.
  • 00:46:33.814 --> 00:46:37.017
  • Okay? and people want that.
  • 00:46:37.017 --> 00:46:41.021
  • People want to hear the voice of the lord.
  • 00:46:41.021 --> 00:46:43.390
  • They want their life.
  • 00:46:43.390 --> 00:46:44.524
  • They want to know truth.
  • 00:46:44.524 --> 00:46:45.626
  • They want to live free.
  • 00:46:45.626 --> 00:46:48.195
  • Everybody. yeah.
  • 00:46:48.195 --> 00:46:49.463
  • Good lord, who doesn't want restored vision, clear sight,
  • 00:46:49.463 --> 00:46:54.201
  • True identity, and knowing the father's heart?
  • 00:46:54.201 --> 00:46:56.670
  • You know who doesn't want to know that?
  • 00:46:56.670 --> 00:46:58.205
  • Everyone wants to know that.
  • 00:46:58.205 --> 00:46:59.306
  • Okay, yeah.
  • 00:46:59.306 --> 00:47:01.041
  • Talk to the folks.
  • 00:47:01.041 --> 00:47:02.342
  • Pray for him if you feel led to pray for him and just kind of
  • 00:47:02.342 --> 00:47:06.113
  • Put a little bow tie kind of on the end.
  • 00:47:06.113 --> 00:47:09.750
  • Final word, mason, is your, sir.
  • 00:47:09.750 --> 00:47:12.386
  • There's your camera.
  • 00:47:12.386 --> 00:47:13.620
  • I do want to say, i want to reiterate a little bit about
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  • The breadcrumb trail, because everybody is in a part of their
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  • Journey there, and the father is going to meet him right
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  • There where they're at.
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  • So i just want to pray that, you know,
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  • I just want to pray.
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  • And i also want to say that wherever you're at in your
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  • Journey, that's right
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  • Where the father wants you right now.
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  • Yeah. and i just pray that the eyes of every heart, it would
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  • Be opened to, to really hear this, you know, because like
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  • Jesus said, whoever has eyes to see and ears to hear, right?
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  • So i just pray that every heart would be open to receive and
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  • Have eyes to see and ears to hear and that, um, you just
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  • Know that right now where you're at, you're where
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  • You're supposed to be. and the father
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  • Knows that, and he's in it right there with you and he's
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  • Guiding you and he's,
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  • And he's going to bring you to that place.
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  • And if you simply just ask, father, show me this, what
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  • They're talking about, what they're talking about right
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  • Now, i want that, and that's literally it.
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  • And he's going to take you there.
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  • You should be prepared for
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  • It because if you ask it, it's coming.
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  • That's what i would say.
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  • You know, i've always known
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  • And my faith
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  • Says that even laurie and i can flip on tbn and many times a
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  • Question that i have or something i'm thinking about or
  • 00:48:43.744 --> 00:48:46.747
  • Something, somebody's going to be addressing it.
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  • Somebody's going to be doing that.
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  • Um, today you flipped on this broadcast and your journey,
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  • You're exhausted.
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  • You want this dynamic to change, that
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  • You don't want it about performance.
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  • You don't-- you know, uh, i the part that was so shocking to me
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  • About your story is you live in a performance-based world.
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  • You give it up largely to pursue music, get, you know,
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  • Drumsticks tattooed on your neck.
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  • You kind of nicely covered it up.
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  • We can't really see it, but it's there.
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  • Um, and then the way you think back in is to go deeper into
  • 00:49:27.254 --> 00:49:33.627
  • More performance and deliverance and deeper.
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  • And, you know, yeah, that was a shocker to me.
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  • You typically, you don't see that as the answer to, you
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  • Know, something that you're, that you were largely, you
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  • Know, getting away from.
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  • But i love the way you structured your book, restored
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  • Vision, the four first chapters are the wrong lenses.
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  • The last four chapters are the correct lenses to view life.
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  • To view--
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  • You know, i mean, god either has finished the work or you
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  • Think your prayer is going to finish it.
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  • And you know what's so, what's so beautiful is that when you
  • 00:50:14.835 --> 00:50:18.905
  • Live this way, knowing that i live from a place of freedom, i
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  • Live from a place of identity in christ,
  • 00:50:24.311 --> 00:50:27.047
  • I live from a place where where jesus said, it is finished,
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  • That's when you now can start praying.
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  • And when i pray for a situation, god knows every
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  • Situation that is plaguing you today.
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  • He knows exactly where you are.
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  • He knows what's bugging me on the inside today, right?
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  • He knows all of it.
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  • And you know what i can do?
  • 00:50:47.234 --> 00:50:48.768
  • I can pray about it.
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  • What's bugging you on the inside today?
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  • I can say, jesus--
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  • I'm not telling you.
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  • You already know. jesus,
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  • I am putting this in your hands now.
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  • You can say that now without trying to fight for something.
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  • Yeah, right.
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  • I am putting this as the lord's battle.
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  • This is the lord's.
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  • God knows exactly what he's
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  • Going to do with that situation.
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  • And you know what?
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  • And it's going to be good.
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  • It's going to be good because all things work together.
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  • So now what? i get, i get to rest because i know i have
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  • Given that problem to the lord.
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  • I've given that season to the lord, and now i can rest
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  • Knowing that god is going
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  • To take care of it and i'm going to be okay.
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  • Everybody around me is going to
  • 00:51:33.580 --> 00:51:35.215
  • Be okay, and we don't have to fight.
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  • All we have to do is stand.
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  • The bible says to fight the
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  • Good fight of faith. that is not fighting
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  • Everything else.
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  • Fight with your faith.
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  • Say, god, i know you have it.
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  • And now i can be at peace.
  • 00:51:51.698 --> 00:51:53.466
  • Paul says when trials and tribulations come,
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  • Count it all joy. yeah.
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  • So that means we can walk in joy going into all the trials
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  • And in all these things, you know, because we're more than
  • 00:52:04.044 --> 00:52:07.180
  • Conquerors. no matter what, what life brings us, we know that
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  • God is going to use it somehow for his good.
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  • And so we can rest in the,
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  • We call it the productivity of rest, and we can rest in
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  • Knowing that god's got it.
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  • There's nothing i have to fight for except my faith in christ
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  • Jesus, knowing that he has it all in his hands and he's going
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  • To take care of it.
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  • You're kind of fired up today.
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  • Everything's going to be all right.
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  • Maybe it's because of this ring that you're wearing, which is,
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  • Uh, this was my dad's ring, and i found it in in one of my
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  • Drawers, and she said, give me that.
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  • I'm going to start wearing that.
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  • It's got the first tb and logo on that ring.
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  • My dad, my dad wore that.
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  • Look at it. my dad wore that ring for--
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  • We had little-- years and years.
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  • We had little night lights that looked like that.
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  • Look at that.
  • 00:52:54.027 --> 00:52:54.928
  • That would plug in. isn't that pretty?
  • 00:52:54.928 --> 00:52:56.963
  • And i loved that. so many years ago.
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  • With that said, i'll end it by saying, and i remember
  • 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:03.870
  • The words of my dad at washington for jesus, god's
  • 00:53:03.870 --> 00:53:07.240
  • Done all he's ever going to do about the devil.
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  • That's right.
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  • So we either take that and run with it, or we sit there and
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  • Continue to slog it out somewhere.
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  • And mason, i'm grateful you're not slogging it out anymore.
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  • You're walking in freedom.
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  • We're walking in freedom, restored vision.
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  • It's available.
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  • And, uh, walk in freedom.
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  • We'll see you next time. bye bye.
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  • ♪♪
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