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Max Lucado: Winning the Battle Within | Praise

August 12, 2025 | 53:43

Matt and Laurie Crouch welcome bestselling author and pastor Max Lucado to discuss his latest book, Tame Your Thoughts. In a world filled with anxiety, negativity, and mental clutter, Max shares biblical tools to help us renew our minds and take every thought captive.

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Praise | Max Lucado: Winning the Battle Within | Praise | August 12, 2025

Tonight on praise...
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Satan is always hoping to deposit ideas, even in the
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Minds of the followers of christ.
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We must plant a seed.
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And since the holy spirit works
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Through the word, we deposit scripture.
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But if we can develop good healthy thinking habits and
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Then replant, then we're going to be able to tackle some of
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These difficult thought patterns that we have.
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♪♪
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Tonight on praise from dallas, pastor of oak hills church and
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Best selling author, max lucado.
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And now your host, matt and laurie crouch.
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All right.
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Today, max lucado, you have done it again.
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Tame your thoughts.
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You realize you've written this more for laurie than for me.
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Is that right?
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Your thoughts need more taming than my thoughts.
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Yes, and my tongue.
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That'll be the sequel.
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Tame your tongue.
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Okay. you need to write that, too.
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I love this book.
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Three tools to renew your mind and transform your life.
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Tame your thoughts is out. order it now.
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Max lucado, thank you for making time in poking a hole in your
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Schedule, coming to see us.
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It's my joy. love you.
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Here in beautiful dallas, texas.
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Welcome. thank you.
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Thanks for making time for me.
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I've been looking forward to this.
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Easy.
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Let me tell you where
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Uh, i think i'd like to address the audience viewing directly.
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Um, when somebody that has written books,
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Which, by the way, he loves to do and it's not
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Hard for him. he's very good at it.
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Which is irritating as heck
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To think that he does it so
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Well and enjoys it at the same time.
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It should be a struggle for you.
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I wish it was.
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I wish you had sweat and the whole thing, but you just--
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I do have gray hair. you've seen that, right?
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But when when somebody that writes books and has sold
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150 million of them tells you inside of his book, if there's
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One thing that i could implant into your brain, it would be
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This, god's hold on you does not depend on your hold on him.
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I'm going to read more, but comment on that right now.
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What are you saying to us?
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This one thing you want to get in our mind,
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Well, it's in, by the way, again, thank you all so much.
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It's so good to see you. always.
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Yeah. the audience has no idea how much love we, denalyn
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And i have for you both.
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So it's-- thank you.
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I'll give you a kiss later. thank you.
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I'll take it.
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Okay. um, so the context of the book is managing our thoughts,
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And we talk about a variety of challenges or toxic thought
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Patterns that people have that we would expect, like
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Anxiety or guilt.
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But the one that i tackled also, in addition to those, is
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This idea, the fear that god will reject me. the fear that
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God will reject me.
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And that's when i play the i'm an old pastor card.
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You know, 46 years i've been pastoring.
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And as i think about the one thing that can be
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Life changing to people,
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It is the idea that i don't have to perform for god.
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Wow. that he's got a hold of me.
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And that's a thought that has to be tamed, because it is the
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Tool of the devil to come in and stir fear.
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You know, you've disappointed god.
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You've let god down.
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And i just find myself over and over talking to people about
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Trusting in the grip that god has on you
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Uh, more than your grip on god.
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I want to read it again
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Because again, if there's one thing i can implant into your
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Brain, one thought i can implant in your brain, it would
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Be this, god's hold on you does
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Not depend upon your hold on him.
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Miss this and miss joy.
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Miss this, miss peace. miss this,
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Miss out on the most wonderful discovery god's got you.
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So it feels like what you're saying--
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Well, i'm going to interpret it for me
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That apparently god knows
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The beginning from the end and chose me anyway, even
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Knowing i would screw up, even
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Though i would make wrong decisions,
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Even though you're going to make mistakes.
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He knew that in advance, and we think that we're performing for
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God, and when we do good, we get good.
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If we do bad, we get bad. yeah.
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You're trying to dispel that?
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Absolutely. you know, the great, the great grace of
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Christ says that, uh, you know, there's nothing that i can do
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To be more saved.
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Yeah. and, uh, there's nothing i can do to add to the finished
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Work of our precious savior. yes.
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And when he said it is
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Finished, that he really meant it.
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It is finished. yeah.
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Uh, and that security, the closest comparison i think
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We could make would be
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Imagine a being married to somebody who every day grades
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You according to, you know, the paycheck you bring home or the
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Way you keep the kitchen clean.
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But every day you don't know if you're really married or not
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Because of the relationship is performance based.
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Well, that would not create a very happy marriage.
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And it wouldn't last long.
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Wouldn't last long.
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It would exhaust us. and by default--
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So just-- easy. go ahead. [laughter]
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Go ahead.
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She got that real quick. yeah.
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Totally. gotta jump on an issue.
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40 years. i ain't doing this over again.
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We need to change topics real quick.
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Oh, after 40 years, we're fine.
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Go ahead. we're fine now.
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And so i love helping and
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Talking about because i'm an old--
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I'm such a sinner myself.
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And if, and if i ever thought-- and i have thought,
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But if i allowed myself into that thought pattern again,
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That god's, hold on me depends upon my performance
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And my hold on him,
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That does create this roller coaster,
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Yo-yo salvation. you know, there is not a case in scripture of
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Somebody who is saved in the morning, then lost in the
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Evening, then saved in the
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Morning, then lost in the evening.
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We're talking about the feature of our christian faith that
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Sets it apart from any other world religion.
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Every other religion says climb the ladder and maybe god will
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Be waiting on you at the top.
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Christianity, by contrast, says jesus has descended, met us in
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Our world, and died for us.
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And then he takes us home with him.
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But you got to remember, see, my dad said he got saved every
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Sunday night, right?
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So we've had to climb out of some--
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We've had to strip away some religion from christianity
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Because i guess my dad grew up in a church that
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Said, you sin once and you're lost again.
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That's just not the way it is.
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It's a weight that we cannot carry.
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We just simply cannot.
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It will--
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It will weigh us down and it will--
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It will beat us up.
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It creates either a very, uh,
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Self-secure or utterly insecure person.
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Right. uh, self secure is where you're saying, okay, i've done
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It, i've accomplished it.
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You know, in the new testament, they were the pharisees.
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Their their salvation was dependent upon keeping the law.
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Then there's that terribly insecure person who says, well,
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I can't match up. i can't meet up.
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Yeah. so they walk away.
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The result of grace is a god-secure person.
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We're going to trust him more than we trust ourselves
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Because, i mean, how many times i think the disappointment, you
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Know, we can pray in the morning and and then go through
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Our day and then something happened, and you say something
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That you shouldn't have said,
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You just think, well, there i go again.
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Yeah. you know, i don't deserve god's grace on my life.
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I don't deserve because my heart's ugly, you know?
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Or my thoughts are ugly.
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But that's so powerful that it doesn't matter
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What your grip is on because he'll never let go of you.
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You don't void the promise.
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Yeah. you can't disappoint god.
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Yeah, we're going to.
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We're going to move on. god, we're going to move on
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Because i'm going to-- i've underlined right after this,
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You go into romans 8:28, but again, uh, god's hold on you
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Does not depend on your hold on him.
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Then you're moving more and you're starting to quote
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Romans 8:28, uh, get into 35,
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No one can drive a wedge between you and god's love.
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No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours
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Through christ who loved us.
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Now, this is you talking.
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Paul was convinced of this.
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I can envision him raising a fist of victory as he dictated
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The next sentence.
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And i am convinced that nothing can ever, ever separate us
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From god's love, verse 38.
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He used the perfect tense, implying i have become, and i
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Remain convinced.
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This is no passing idea or fluffy thought, but rather a
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Deeply rooted conviction that paul was convinced.
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So the whole passage of romans 8:28,
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What can separate you from the love of god?
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We think we can.
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We put ourselves so--
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So our own behavior in our mind separates us from god in a lot
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Of ways or something. why do you think that is?
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Boy, you tell me, you know,
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Because we have the same dark thoughts.
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You write all the books.
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You're you're supposed to be--
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We're asking you the question.
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Everything else in our life is so performance based that we
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Carry that over into our relationship with god, right?
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You know, uh, we have evaluations at work.
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We get grades at school. merit badges. merit badges.
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Perfect, perfect.
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A great, uh, golf scores, baseball score.
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Everything is based on performance.
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And then to to move into a covenant relationship,
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Which we do have,
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Husband and wife, father, children,
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Those should be covenant relationships.
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We think, we assume that our relationship with god must be
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Performance based as well.
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It just is kind of the common sense.
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That's why, again, every other
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World religion is performance based.
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You know, you do good enough
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Maybe you'll come back as a butterfly, right?
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You do good enough,
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Maybe you'll be exalted into nirvana.
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But there's no security.
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That's why the teaching of the apostle paul has just been so
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Revolutionary because he got this and he got this coming out
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Of a world of legalism himself.
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So, i mean, it was a, it was a turnabout in his life.
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And the thing the thing is, that's self righteousness.
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Absolutely.
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And the bible says that your
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Self righteousness stinks, stinks.
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Filthy rags.
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That's why he gives--
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That's why he gave us his righteousness.
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That's right.
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And that was-- i love the story that you told, uh, in one of
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The other books.
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I don't know if it was about jenna.
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I think it was about jenna when
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She was in college or something.
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And you went in with her to see a teacher.
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Do you remember the story?
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You're going to have to help me.
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And she thought she was failing this,
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And the teacher looked at her and said, what if i already
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Told you that you already have an a?
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Wow. remember that story?
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That story.
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I love that story.
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It changed the whole,
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The whole dynamic.
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The whole thought process. yeah.
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Yeah.
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Can you tell a little more since you're the great--
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Well, it was security.
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It was a security that comes with the fear of failing.
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Yeah. she was living with the fear of failing.
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It's kind of like, okay, this is a goofy illustration, but i
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Do like playing golf. i'm a terrible golfer.
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And, uh, when somebody on the-- when you're about to putt, they
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Say, oh, that's good.
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You know, it's three feet out or for us, 20ft out.
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Yeah. pick it up.
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Pick it up. it's good.
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Then you get up and hit it.
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It nearly always goes in.
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It's the oddest thing to me.
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And i think it's because you relax and you hit the putt like
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You're supposed to.
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Prior to that, you're tense, right?
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And you don't hit it, hit it well.
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Salvation by grace does that.
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It creates a better person.
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It creates a person who knows they've already been given an
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A, and so the act of salvation is complete or saved by grace,
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And that we're sanctified by the holy spirit.
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And so we continue to grow.
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But we will stumble, we will fall.
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There is absolutely no doubt, but the promise of god is that
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He will catch us, he will secure us, and he will make
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Sure we get home.
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I guess you partly made sense for me,
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Um, just a minute ago when you said, um, everything in our
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Life largely is merit based. or it should be.
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If it isn't, it should be merit based.
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Um, and then the one thing which is our life of following
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Jesus is counterintuitive.
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So everything's upside down, right?
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So we just--
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Yeah, we just end up, um, having to be of this-- in
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This world, but not of this world.
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And that's the, that's the little, um, crux there that
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We that we have to shut off our natural brains to be a follower
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Of jesus, that you-- everything else in our life seems
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To be about performance.
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And then all of a sudden, this one thing--
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Which is the most important thing.
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Which we forget.
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That's why we have to read stuff like this.
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How do we tame our thoughts?
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Yeah. okay.
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Preach now.
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I want to, i want to go to one thing, and then i want you to
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Kind of, uh, kind of do what you do.
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You've been doing it for 47 years, so we're expecting a bit
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Of a sermon here.
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Okay. so just be prepared for that, okay?
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Um, as god's grace takes over, we will change.
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We will still struggle.
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We will still stumble, but we will find the grip of christ
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To be sure and his promise to be strong.
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I've skipped just a couple of pages.
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Uh, now, on page 158.
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Um, satan seeks to leave you in the shadow of a doubt.
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Interesting way to write that.
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Now you know he cannot. he has no power.
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Tell him to get lost.
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Grant him no access.
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So what seems to be--
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You know, and i've read--
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I've skipped some, so i'll fill in a blank.
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But what you seem to be declaring here is that the
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Bible declares that the truth cannot be found in him.
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Who's him? satan.
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So a big lie of the devil is to have somebody say,
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Well, there's satan always puts a little bit of truth in a lie.
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And you know-- well, no, he doesn't, because the bible
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Declares that the truth can't be found.
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He is a liar. so he's always lying.
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So if you believe a lie
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And act upon it as truth, all sorts of bad things
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Happen in your life, you know.
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You just summarized the book.
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Okay. please--
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That's it. that's-- yeah.
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That's hopefully-- i want you to, i want
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To say this and have you comment,
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He has no power. make sure we understand that.
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Once we are in a relationship with christ, satan might
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Influence us and we'll sense his presence, but he has no
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Guarantee of victory.
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He has been defeated and we have submitted ourself, uh, to
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The lordship of christ. that's the gospel.
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We have a new king.
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A new king is in town, and his name is jesus.
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And we've submitted ourselves to him.
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Therefore we can do what scripture urges us to do, and
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That is, take every thought captive, to be aware that satan
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Is sowing seeds, uh, and telling us lies.
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There's that interesting phrase, at least to me
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It's interesting, in john 13:2 about judas, and the scripture
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Says that satan, satan deposited an idea in the mind
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Of judas to betray jesus.
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It's just-- i kind of missed that scripture
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For years. in researching this book, i was just using a
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Concordance, you know, looking up ideas, thoughts.
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And there was that scripture,
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Satan deposited an idea in the mind of judas.
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Now, that does tell me that judas was not protecting his
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Mind and he successful-- satan successfully deposited an
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Idea that resulted in disaster.
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And it also tells me that satan is always hoping to deposit
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Ideas, even in the minds of the followers of christ.
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You're not good enough. you're not good enough.
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You're never going to get ahead.
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You got to perform more.
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God can't forgive what you did.
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Uh, life is going to turn out terrible.
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This day is going to stink.
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You know, just these thoughts,
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These thoughts that we have, 70,000 thoughts a day
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According to one study.
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70,000 thoughts, according to the cleveland clinic,
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Four out of five thoughts we have every day are unhealthy.
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Wow. that's stunning to me.
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Four out of five.
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There has to be a difference.
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Maybe the book was written for women.
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But, uh--
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And so he comes, and he deposits these ideas in
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Our mind all day long.
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The world is against me.
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I'm never going to succeed.
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What popped into my head when i was reading this part of your
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Book was the way jesus specifically said this,
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You'll know the truth, and the truth will make you free.
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So it's not the truth that makes you free.
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It's the truth you know. wow. max, if
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You wake up and say alcohol and drugs are the answer for me to
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Get through the day, you've believed a lie.
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You might act on it, and you might kill somebody and run
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Somebody over with your car
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Because you're drunk in the car. exactly. see?
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It isn't the truth.
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Okay. and you're not set free.
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Bondage. it is literally--
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If money's the answer to all your problems, you'll dump the
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Waste from your factory into the river and poison people
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Downstream and not care, because money's the answer.
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That's right.
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Or you might, you know, get into child slavery and all the
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Crazy things that happen because you think money's the answer.
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Okay. if you believe if that if that got deposited and
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Everything is secondary to that, you'll do anything.
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So it feels like what you're saying is we have to understand
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The finished work of the cross because jesus said, all power
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Has been given unto me in heaven and on earth.
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Yeah. therefore go make disciples of nations.
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And lo, i'm with you even to the end of the age.
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So it feels like the battlefield is right here.
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Satan attempts to plant a thought like he did with judas,
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And he act upon it as truth.
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You know? it seems like--
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And then there's the story of the little woman that had gone
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12 years, bleeding. issue of blood.
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With the issue of blood. good illustration there, laurie.
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And she said she had a thought. she did.
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If i could touch the hem of his garment.
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That she had a thought.
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Another translation says, she said to herself. what are we
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Saying to ourselves? what are we thinking?
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Because in actuality, really, discipleship is learning to
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Think like christ. oh my goodness.
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You know those, uh, bracelets?
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Remember in the 90s, there was the wwjd.
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Yeah. what would jesus do?
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I'm wondering if we should create wwjt,
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What would jesus think?
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Because behavior is a consequence of belief, like you
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Just pointed out. if your belief is my value and my
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Purpose is money, that's my belief.
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That's going to create a certain downriver, uh, level or
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Type of, of behavior that's going to be dangerous.
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If your belief is god owns it all and he will give me what i
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Need so i can honor him and be generous to others, that
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Creates a whole different kind of person. wow.
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Are your thoughts leading you toward peace or pulling you
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Into fear, anxiety, and guilt?
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The satan is always hoping to deposit ideas, even in the
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Minds of the followers of christ.
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In his powerful new book, tame your thoughts, max lucado
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Offers three practical tools to renew your mind reclaim your
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Peace, and silence the lies of the enemy.
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We must plant a seed, we weed and we deposit seeds.
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And since the holy spirit works
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Through the word, we deposit scripture.
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Discover the peace that comes
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When god's word leads your thinking.
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So we continue to grow. but we will stumble.
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We will fall.
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There is absolutely no doubt.
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But the promise of god is that he will catch us.
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He will secure us, and he will make sure we get home.
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Are you ready to take back your peace of mind?
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Tame your thoughts is available now.
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It's available wherever you buy books.
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And transform your life max lucado.
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Thank you for stopping by big d and being with us.
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And, um,
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God would not tell us--
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Sorry, something to do--
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He would not say, renew your mind,
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Cast down all the thoughts--
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Casting down.
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Casting down imaginations, everything that
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Lifts itself above the knowledge
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Of who i am.
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He wouldn't tell us that if he didn't give us the ability to
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Actually do it.
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When he told the little woman that was caught in adultery,
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Go and sin no more, he wouldn't have
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Told her to do that had he not given her the
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Power to do it. mhm.
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You know, so how do we, how do we
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Renew our minds and, and do that?
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Help us tame our thoughts.
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Tame our thoughts. okay, pastor.
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Well, there's three big ideas that that i have found to be
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Extremely practical.
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Um, you know, i'm, i'm 70 now, and so i'm kind of at that age
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Where i'm thinking, are there any other ideas i want to be
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Sure and codify or get in a book.
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And this is one of them.
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This, this, these three ideas i've used countless times in
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Counseling sessions or hallway conversations just to help
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People manage their thoughts.
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I think that's everything.
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Number one, this will come--
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Go real quickly. first, practice picky thinking.
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Okay, i know that's thought management 101.
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But for many people, they think just because they have a
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Thought, they have to think it. practice picky thinking.
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You just just say, okay, i'm
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Not going to think that thought.
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I'm going to stand in--
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I'm going to stand in opposition to that.
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Your grandpa--
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When i was little my grandpa looked at me,
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He goes, you have to say everything
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You think? go ahead.
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Picky thinking. i got him in trouble.
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Yeah. that popped into my head.
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Yeah, i've told you this was--
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Go ahead.
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You know, i compare it to the
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Situation room in the white house.
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Our brain is like a situation room.
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The situation room is where they gather information and
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Make decisions.
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They're not going to let just anybody wander off the street
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Into the situation room, right?
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You probably could get access there, but most people will
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Never enter the situation room.
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We need to be equally vigilant about our situation room that's
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Between these two ears.
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Yeah. what are we allowing?
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And a lot of this comes down to being a picky thinker.
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Okay. rule number two, identify ufos.
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I'm not talking about aliens here, but what
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We were just saying,
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Matt, an untruth leads to a false narrative,
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Leads to an overreaction.
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Ufo. an untruth.
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Uh, i am not worth anything.
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Nobody loves me. that's an untruth.
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God loves you.
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But let's say you buy that.
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That leads into a false narrative.
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My goal in life is to earn people's love.
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And that leads into an overreaction.
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I'm going to buy more, dress more,
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Have sex more, you know, whatever.
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It just leads to an overreaction.
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Now, this has been real practical, i think, for me in
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Trying to help people and talking to myself. let's not
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Deal just with the overreaction,
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But realize that that overreactions result of
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Something upriver, a false truth, a false understanding.
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So identify the ufos. and then the third tool is
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Uproot and replant, uproot and replant.
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When i was 12 years old, my dad
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Put me in charge of our backyard.
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Our backyard had grass burrs or stickers everywhere.
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Yeah. and he said, get rid of the grass burrs
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So i got the lawn mower.
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I mowed them down.
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A week later they were back.
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He said, i didn't teach you, did i?
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And so he went and he got us a garden spade.
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And one by one-- he had one, i had one.
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I'll never forget that saturday, just one after
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Another, pulling them out by the roots.
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So in thinking, we have to be equally vigilant. we uproot.
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We pull that out.
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I'm not going to be jealous today.
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I'm not giving in to that arrogance today.
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I'm not giving-- lord help me.
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So we identify the weed, but we not only pull it out,
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We must plant a seed.
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Yeah, we weed and we deposit seeds.
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And since the holy spirit works
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Through the word, we deposit scripture.
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And rather than say the world's going off the-- we deposit,
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I don't know, romans 8:28 would be a good one,
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All things work together for good,
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And so we retrain our brains.
00:27:14.355 --> 00:27:17.192
You know, neuroscience says we really can retrain our brains.
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Thinking is a habit.
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And so if we allow ourselves to keep developing bad habits,
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We're going to lead a bad life.
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But if we can develop good, healthy thinking habits by
00:27:28.570 --> 00:27:32.807
Practice picky thinking, identify ufos, and then
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Thirdly, uproot and then replant, then we're going to be
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Able to tackle some of these difficult thought patterns
00:27:40.815 --> 00:27:43.384
That we have. it feels like it always boils,
00:27:43.384 --> 00:27:47.589
Finally boils down to as a man thinks so is he.
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And some people are just negative.
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You know, some people i know not to say, hey, man, how are
00:27:57.899 --> 00:28:02.137
You doing today?
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Unless you want to be,
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I'm stuck in the car and,
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You know, have nothing else to do.
00:28:07.008 --> 00:28:08.643
And i'm going to hear an earful of, well, you know, my
00:28:08.643 --> 00:28:12.981
Back's starting to hurt and, you know, and the other day,
00:28:12.981 --> 00:28:15.717
I twisted my ankle.
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You know, i just i know a few people that are just going to
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Start kind of telling you all the negative things.
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And, you know, how many times does scripture deal with
00:28:24.492 --> 00:28:30.298
That one thing, taking your thoughts into captivity?
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Tame your thoughts
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I bet you if you did the kind of research you do ends up
00:28:36.304 --> 00:28:41.209
Having more scripture to be able to quote from than--
00:28:41.209 --> 00:28:46.581
Every page. i bet it's just constantly.
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Every page.
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You know, i think of joyce meyer, who's sat here many
00:28:51.085 --> 00:28:53.321
Times, her number one selling book, battlefield of the mind.
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Battlefield of the mind.
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I mean, and i mean, like--
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And well, it should be. it's a wonderful book.
00:28:59.527 --> 00:29:02.130
And we process things very differently. you know, just in,
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In, in our home, you know, um--
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You mean differently from each other?
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I'm going to say if we are, if we're both facing the same
00:29:13.241 --> 00:29:16.244
Thing, we're going to process it very differently.
00:29:16.244 --> 00:29:18.813
She's going to come at it and think of it very
00:29:18.813 --> 00:29:22.016
Differently than i do. for example,
00:29:22.016 --> 00:29:24.319
Um, for example, i have no idea how much money we
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:30.725
Have in a checking account.
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I couldn't even-- honestly, i couldn't even guess.
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And so she pays all the bills.
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So think of what that means.
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At some point, i am a bit more happy-go-lucky and a little bit
00:29:38.766 --> 00:29:45.340
More forward thinking.
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We're sitting in a beautiful big studio.
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Okay, this thing is amazing.
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I can walk you all over this place.
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I mean, this is a just a monstrous thing.
00:29:55.183 --> 00:29:59.053
State of the art. okay,
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Well, when this is starting to be put down on
00:30:00.655 --> 00:30:04.492
Paper, i can already in my mind
00:30:04.492 --> 00:30:09.097
Be walking around in this building.
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He sees it finished.
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I see things completely finished.
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So when i see it down on paper and you know, that's over
00:30:15.236 --> 00:30:20.541
There, and the circle thing is, is up there and, and we look up
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And all i can-- in my mind, i can be walking around in it
00:30:25.146 --> 00:30:29.517
While she's obsessing over the
00:30:29.517 --> 00:30:32.854
Very beginning of all the detail.
00:30:32.854 --> 00:30:35.556
So she is in --
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I don't even know what to psychologically call that, but
00:30:37.725 --> 00:30:41.095
I am, you know, if we do those psychological studies,
00:30:41.095 --> 00:30:46.200
I am a futurist, you know,
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.370
According to one of those things that we did a long time
00:30:49.370 --> 00:30:51.472
Ago, and i am living in the future of a finished building,
00:30:51.472 --> 00:30:57.545
While she's obsessing over the price of the lumber that has
00:30:57.545 --> 00:31:01.349
To be ordered to start framing something.
00:31:01.349 --> 00:31:04.319
Years ago, we were going to try to build a little house.
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:07.522
And it got as far as them
00:31:10.391 --> 00:31:13.161
Placing the markers out on the thing.
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Out on the ground. out on the ground.
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I could not tell you what that house was going to be like.
00:31:19.033 --> 00:31:24.138
He has it all done in his head.
00:31:24.138 --> 00:31:26.407
And i'm like going, i don't even know--
00:31:26.407 --> 00:31:27.909
I can't like-- where's the kitchen?
00:31:27.909 --> 00:31:29.777
I cannot even-- you didn't look at the plot?
00:31:29.777 --> 00:31:32.647
I mean, i can't see it.
00:31:32.647 --> 00:31:34.182
So it's just going to have to be built for me.
00:31:34.182 --> 00:31:36.484
So by the way,
00:31:36.484 --> 00:31:37.385
That is still raw ground out there.
00:31:37.385 --> 00:31:39.420
Nothing ever happened.
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I think one of the stakes is still there and in the
00:31:40.555 --> 00:31:43.024
Flag is still flying, you know.
00:31:43.024 --> 00:31:45.126
And so, uh, we never did,
00:31:45.126 --> 00:31:47.462
But we walked through this building.
00:31:47.462 --> 00:31:50.631
We walked through this studio, um, holding hands and talking
00:31:50.631 --> 00:31:55.403
On camera one time.
00:31:55.403 --> 00:31:57.372
And when i'm walking through
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It, i could have seen it in my mind--
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Empty space. exactly here.
00:32:03.311 --> 00:32:05.046
And i could have already been having this conversation in the
00:32:05.046 --> 00:32:08.716
Future while she is watching
00:32:08.716 --> 00:32:11.652
Everything, either-- you know, what's
00:32:11.652 --> 00:32:13.955
The screws on the floor doing-- you know, don't step on nails.
00:32:13.955 --> 00:32:16.724
So you see that she's like in the very practical now and i'm
00:32:16.724 --> 00:32:20.028
Very much in the future.
00:32:20.028 --> 00:32:21.229
So, so thinking or the way that you think is sometimes
00:32:21.229 --> 00:32:27.568
Extraordinarily different even in a household.
00:32:27.568 --> 00:32:30.838
Okay. and so i'm always thinking, you know, maybe
00:32:30.838 --> 00:32:34.809
Bigger and bolder and, and then, you know, she'll come
00:32:34.809 --> 00:32:39.580
Along and say, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
00:32:39.580 --> 00:32:42.016
And we'll go and do some some really amazing things.
00:32:42.016 --> 00:32:45.520
But she processes things very differently.
00:32:45.520 --> 00:32:48.289
I do think that age helps you, because i am convinced that god
00:32:48.289 --> 00:32:54.962
Always has a plan, that there's nothing in your life or in your
00:32:54.962 --> 00:33:00.568
Situations that you face--
00:33:00.568 --> 00:33:02.370
Because every stage of life is different.
00:33:02.370 --> 00:33:04.272
I'm going to come-- from two weeks ago,
00:33:04.272 --> 00:33:06.941
I am a completely-- i am--
00:33:06.941 --> 00:33:09.844
Sorry.
00:33:09.844 --> 00:33:15.383
So even from like two weeks ago, we came home from a trip
00:33:18.986 --> 00:33:22.590
To the middle east.
00:33:22.590 --> 00:33:24.058
When i got home, my stepfather, who's amazing, was in the
00:33:24.058 --> 00:33:29.497
Hospital at 85 with pneumonia, kidneys failing.
00:33:29.497 --> 00:33:33.634
My mom's at home with dementia.
00:33:33.634 --> 00:33:35.736
My world has changed in the
00:33:35.736 --> 00:33:38.873
Last two weeks completely upended.
00:33:38.873 --> 00:33:42.710
I'm thinking about things i've
00:33:42.710 --> 00:33:45.012
Never had to think about, you know?
00:33:45.012 --> 00:33:47.281
So i know that god has a plan and that god--
00:33:47.281 --> 00:33:51.586
So leaning into the good thoughts, that there's
00:33:51.586 --> 00:33:55.490
Nothing that can separate us. that god--
00:33:55.490 --> 00:33:57.125
Yeah. and there's nothing that can't be for my good.
00:33:57.125 --> 00:34:01.329
It doesn't mean that everything is good. right.
00:34:01.329 --> 00:34:04.332
But god is going to work everything for my good, right?
00:34:04.332 --> 00:34:07.368
So keeping your mind and your thoughts--
00:34:07.368 --> 00:34:11.038
That's a perfect example of what we're talking about.
00:34:11.038 --> 00:34:13.541
Yeah. now imagine if the opposite were true.
00:34:13.541 --> 00:34:15.910
Imagine if you'd come back and your, you know, your stepfather
00:34:15.910 --> 00:34:19.580
And your mother passing through these challenges
00:34:19.580 --> 00:34:22.216
If you did not have that truth--
00:34:22.216 --> 00:34:24.485
Right.
00:34:24.485 --> 00:34:25.753
Already implanted in your mind, if you're, if you're, uh, if
00:34:25.753 --> 00:34:30.491
Your frame of reference told
00:34:30.491 --> 00:34:32.093
You, see, the world's just a disaster.
00:34:32.093 --> 00:34:34.795
Wow. we're here,
00:34:34.795 --> 00:34:36.330
You know, birth to hearse, and then we die.
00:34:36.330 --> 00:34:38.499
There's no meaning,
00:34:38.499 --> 00:34:39.333
No purpose in life, that creates
00:34:39.333 --> 00:34:41.903
Then a different, totally different kind of reaction to
00:34:41.903 --> 00:34:47.608
The to the harsh realities of life.
00:34:47.608 --> 00:34:51.179
But since you have the truth that leads into a godly
00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:56.417
Narrative that results in a healthy reaction.
00:34:56.417 --> 00:34:59.820
We're witnessing that healthy reaction right now.
00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:02.323
You're still heartbroken.
00:35:02.323 --> 00:35:03.558
You're still sad.
00:35:03.558 --> 00:35:04.525
It's not easy, but you're not devastated.
00:35:04.525 --> 00:35:06.694
You're not giving up.
00:35:06.694 --> 00:35:07.662
You're not throwing in the towel.
00:35:07.662 --> 00:35:09.530
That's why this is all so important, right?
00:35:09.530 --> 00:35:12.300
So if we can, if we can raise up a generation of lauries,
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:17.271
Uh, who who realized life's not easy but never
00:35:17.271 --> 00:35:20.942
Is life hopeless,
00:35:20.942 --> 00:35:22.476
We get that truth embedded in them
00:35:22.476 --> 00:35:24.912
Which is exactly what tbn does 24 hours a day, seven days a
00:35:24.912 --> 00:35:29.951
Week, literally all over the world,
00:35:29.951 --> 00:35:32.386
You're depositing these seeds of truth in people's minds.
00:35:32.386 --> 00:35:36.757
Then the overreactions that we read about in the newspapers or
00:35:36.757 --> 00:35:41.696
Hear about in the news, the reason people go so wacko is
00:35:41.696 --> 00:35:45.666
Because they're acting out of an untruth.
00:35:45.666 --> 00:35:49.770
You know, satan deposited an idea in the mind of judas.
00:35:49.770 --> 00:35:53.608
Well, he deposits ideas in the
00:35:53.608 --> 00:35:55.209
Minds of unsaved people all the time.
00:35:55.209 --> 00:35:57.912
He just goes, he puts them in, and there's no protection.
00:35:57.912 --> 00:36:00.748
Yeah. don't we understand--
00:36:00.748 --> 00:36:02.149
Maybe we don't.
00:36:02.149 --> 00:36:03.384
But that when we give our hearts to christ, we also give
00:36:03.384 --> 00:36:07.054
Our minds to christ.
00:36:07.054 --> 00:36:08.723
You know, it's interesting in ephesians six, the the armor,
00:36:08.723 --> 00:36:13.160
The full armor that were described to take on the, the
00:36:13.160 --> 00:36:17.331
Protection for the brain is the helmet of salvation, the helmet
00:36:17.331 --> 00:36:21.569
Of salvation.
00:36:21.569 --> 00:36:23.037
Well, we all want the helmet on.
00:36:23.037 --> 00:36:24.705
Right? and paul's saying there is that this comes at the
00:36:24.705 --> 00:36:28.743
Moment of salvation.
00:36:28.743 --> 00:36:30.678
God has said this mind is mine,
00:36:30.678 --> 00:36:33.514
And i'm going to begin in retraining it and in reshaping
00:36:33.514 --> 00:36:37.084
It so that testimonies, just
00:36:37.084 --> 00:36:38.886
Like the one you gave, could be given.
00:36:38.886 --> 00:36:41.689
He is reclaimed--
00:36:41.689 --> 00:36:43.157
He has reclaimed your mind.
00:36:43.157 --> 00:36:44.792
And over time, he has taught
00:36:44.792 --> 00:36:46.727
You to view tragedy in this way.
00:36:46.727 --> 00:36:49.463
You know, i love the way you started this book with the
00:36:49.463 --> 00:36:53.401
Storms in your life.
00:36:53.401 --> 00:36:54.869
Mhm. that is so powerful of
00:36:54.869 --> 00:36:58.239
Sometimes he calms the storm.
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.408
Sometimes he answers the prayers that we're praying.
00:37:00.408 --> 00:37:04.445
Do you remember, do you remember writing that?
00:37:04.445 --> 00:37:07.181
Sometime he calms the storm. sometimes he calms the person.
00:37:07.181 --> 00:37:09.417
Yeah. yeah. that's--
00:37:09.417 --> 00:37:11.252
So that is max lucado 101.
00:37:11.252 --> 00:37:15.156
Just give us a little bit of that.
00:37:15.156 --> 00:37:17.358
Well, this one, of course,
00:37:17.358 --> 00:37:19.360
So the book is a pretty simple layout of those three ideas.
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.763
And then i did 7 or 8 or maybe
00:37:22.763 --> 00:37:27.168
Even nine toxic thought patterns.
00:37:27.168 --> 00:37:29.470
We started with one of them, god insecurity.
00:37:29.470 --> 00:37:32.473
I see that all the time.
00:37:32.473 --> 00:37:34.175
But then right at the very top of the list is anxiety.
00:37:34.175 --> 00:37:37.778
Anxiety is sucking the joy out of people.
00:37:37.778 --> 00:37:40.715
And so how can these, uh, thought, uh, how can the fact
00:37:40.715 --> 00:37:46.087
That god has my mind, how can that change me?
00:37:46.087 --> 00:37:49.590
And i talk about in scripture,
00:37:49.590 --> 00:37:52.159
Yeah, there are times that god just calms the storm.
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.528
I mean, he really does.
00:37:54.528 --> 00:37:55.996
He steps in and you've experienced this in your
00:37:55.996 --> 00:37:58.199
Personal lives that all of a sudden there's an answer that
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.569
You didn't know.
00:38:01.569 --> 00:38:02.937
But then as many times, maybe more, i don't know.
00:38:02.937 --> 00:38:06.674
He just calms the sailor, right?
00:38:06.674 --> 00:38:08.909
He calms--
00:38:08.909 --> 00:38:10.344
He gives us that peace that passes understanding.
00:38:10.344 --> 00:38:13.047
So in this i talk about taming those anxious, those
00:38:13.047 --> 00:38:17.752
Fearful, those thoughts of dread, getting ahold of those.
00:38:17.752 --> 00:38:23.357
The go to passage is what we've
00:38:23.357 --> 00:38:25.559
Talked about before on our interviews,
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:28.295
Uh, you know, philippians four, four through seven.
00:38:28.295 --> 00:38:31.232
Most underlined verse in the whole bible,
00:38:31.232 --> 00:38:33.734
Be anxious for nothing.
00:38:33.734 --> 00:38:35.302
So, as opposed to letting my thoughts go down, these are
00:38:35.302 --> 00:38:39.440
Very common thoughts of anxiety and dread--
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.309
I'll never get this done.
00:38:42.309 --> 00:38:43.377
I'll fail this test.
00:38:43.377 --> 00:38:44.545
My parents don't like me.
00:38:44.545 --> 00:38:45.880
I'll never be successful.
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.515
I'll never make a putt.
00:38:47.515 --> 00:38:50.251
And rather than go down there, why don't i uproot and replant
00:38:50.251 --> 00:38:55.322
And replant with be anxious for
00:38:55.322 --> 00:38:57.158
Nothing but by prayer and petition,
00:38:57.158 --> 00:38:59.660
With thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to god.
00:38:59.660 --> 00:39:03.697
On page 66,
00:39:03.697 --> 00:39:06.300
You say according to kindle,
00:39:06.300 --> 00:39:10.271
Um, philippians four, don't worry about anything, but pray
00:39:10.271 --> 00:39:14.975
And ask god for everything that you need, giving thanks always
00:39:14.975 --> 00:39:18.779
And god's peace which is so great we cannot understand,
00:39:18.779 --> 00:39:22.650
It will keep your hearts and your minds in jesus christ.
00:39:22.650 --> 00:39:25.686
According to kindle, you just read the most underlined verse
00:39:25.686 --> 00:39:29.023
In the bible.
00:39:29.023 --> 00:39:30.458
The bible is the reading app's most underlined book, and
00:39:30.458 --> 00:39:35.429
Philippians four, four through seven is the bible's most
00:39:35.429 --> 00:39:38.666
Underlined scripture passage.
00:39:38.666 --> 00:39:40.267
Apparently, there is a pandemic of anxiety out there, but
00:39:40.267 --> 00:39:45.506
There's also hope.
00:39:45.506 --> 00:39:46.640
And your your main point--
00:39:46.640 --> 00:39:49.276
And i'd like you to try to answer this
00:39:49.276 --> 00:39:53.013
Um, you know, as we kind of start landing the plane here,
00:39:53.013 --> 00:39:59.620
Why are we always thinking the
00:39:59.620 --> 00:40:03.023
Best outcome is to calm the storm?
00:40:03.023 --> 00:40:06.060
Hmm. why is it?
00:40:06.060 --> 00:40:07.795
Wow. why is that the better outcome
00:40:07.795 --> 00:40:12.967
Instead of calming the sailor instead
00:40:12.967 --> 00:40:15.436
Of ruling over the storm? sure.
00:40:15.436 --> 00:40:17.605
See, for some reason--
00:40:17.605 --> 00:40:20.074
Yeah. it's a shortcut,
00:40:20.074 --> 00:40:22.676
Max, i think maybe--
00:40:22.676 --> 00:40:23.811
And we're addicted to immediacy.
00:40:23.811 --> 00:40:26.213
We're addicted to wanting to see this thing behind me.
00:40:26.213 --> 00:40:28.883
I don't-- there are no shortcuts.
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And you start this with such a beautiful--
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Listen. yeah, this is, uh, the way this book starts and
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And getting into this, um, spoke to us like,
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Like nothing has in a long time.
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If you're facing a storm,
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Everyone thinks,
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Especially in the roots of the church that i grew up in,
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You, you know, start doing a jericho march, and you and you
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And you want this thing gone.
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You want an instantaneous answer and a healing and
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This or that, or you want something to happen quickly.
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And what is happening more times than not is god
00:41:09.890 --> 00:41:13.761
Is calming the sailor. good point.
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And man, that for some reason, if we can change that inside
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That, that is an outcome that actually isn't that the power
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To rule in the earth,
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To be in the midst of the storm, but be the calm one in
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The midst of the storm?
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So it feels like we are trying to change a narrative
00:41:32.212 --> 00:41:37.017
Here, that instead of trying to get the the the quick answer of
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The storm being calmed, which is great--
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Sure. never, never say no to a storm being calmed.
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Yeah. but what if we rule over it and be the calm sailor in
00:41:48.062 --> 00:41:53.000
The midst of it,
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Isn't that a isn't that actually what god's asking us
00:41:54.335 --> 00:41:58.038
To do?
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To trust?
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Then we're in a constant state of trust.
00:41:59.540 --> 00:42:01.108
Absolutely. constant state of faith.
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How do you please god? by faith.
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Yeah. count it all joy, my brothers, when you face various
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Trials and tribulations.
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Yeah. i don't think james was saying there, you know, beg to
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Get out of the storm as soon as you can.
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Just count it joy when you have a tribulation.
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Because you know, those tribulations will produce,
00:42:19.526 --> 00:42:22.763
Produce faith, produce
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Help produce hope.
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Max, you are a very special person to laurie and i for
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A lot of reasons.
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One of them is a number of years ago when
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The world went through the craziest thing, maybe in our
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Lifetime, which was this pandemic,
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Nobody knew what was going on.
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We were hearing all sorts of crazy, you know, things that
00:42:50.457 --> 00:42:55.329
Millions are going to be dead and, you know, and, you know,
00:42:55.329 --> 00:42:58.666
It was just the weirdest time on earth.
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And i'm so grateful
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That's in the rear view mirror.
00:43:03.504 --> 00:43:05.172
Amen. um,
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And i pray never to return, that we would never, you know,
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Succumb to that craziness again.
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But while that was going on and nobody knew what to do,
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Max, you stood up.
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You came to our studios and you ministered a peace.
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And and i think that--
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Over and over.
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Maybe the, the master's degree you got in that or maybe even
00:43:30.731 --> 00:43:36.904
The doctorate degree you got in that you were displaying for us
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A number of years ago--
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Okay. and a lot of that's now five years in the past and, and
00:43:43.510 --> 00:43:48.282
And starting to even, you know, kind of fade in our memories.
00:43:48.282 --> 00:43:55.789
Um, but maybe that's why you're here at this time with this
00:43:55.789 --> 00:44:01.028
Book is because you actually put yourself in the midst, and
00:44:01.028 --> 00:44:07.601
You became that sailor in the storm that was helping us.
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And if somebody is,
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Got messed up thoughts right now, would you just first of
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All, just do whatever you want to do, lead people to jesus,
00:44:20.881 --> 00:44:23.951
Whatever you want to do, pray for them because, you know, at
00:44:23.951 --> 00:44:28.088
Some point, um, yes, that's what tbn does. it is that
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Attempt, uh, to have that kind of ministry.
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And you've proven yourself over and over and over and over.
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Thank you for that.
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Tbn is to our hungry minds what samaritan's purse would be to a
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Devastated region.
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You know, i love samaritan's purse and franklin, and the way
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They will go into an area and help people as they're enduring
00:44:54.214 --> 00:44:58.652
Or getting trying to get on their feet.
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You do that day in and day out.
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Thank you lord. in a variety of ways.
00:45:02.723 --> 00:45:04.892
But at least from my perspective, you're you're
00:45:04.892 --> 00:45:07.361
Bringing healthy truth. ideas.
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Everything comes out of an idea, you know?
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So that's why what we're talking about is so important.
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There they are.
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And if i'm talking to anyone who's, uh, battling some unique
00:45:18.005 --> 00:45:23.243
Toxic thought issues--
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You know what yours is.
00:45:25.479 --> 00:45:26.914
We all have we all have a
00:45:26.914 --> 00:45:28.515
Variety of issues that we're battling.
00:45:28.515 --> 00:45:31.318
Uh, many people i'm surprised in, in the research i did for
00:45:31.318 --> 00:45:35.689
This book were forthcoming and saying lust is my issue.
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So i wrote a chapter on how god will help us deal with lust.
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Others talk about guilt.
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Do you know that the bible has given you a perfect way to deal
00:45:45.532 --> 00:45:49.403
With your guilt?
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You don't have to live with it anymore.
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All these different toxic
00:45:52.906 --> 00:45:55.042
Thought patterns can be dealt with.
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Don't assume that you'll never get better.
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The promise from scripture is simply this romans 12 and
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Verse 2, do not be conformed to the world, but be transformed
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By the renewal of your mind.
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God wants to transform your
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Life by the renewal of your mind.
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And that passage is so precious because it's written in the
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Passive tense, which suggests that this is something god will
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Do for you.
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He will do for you.
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Now you cooperate with him, but god will do this for you.
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And you begin by giving your heart to jesus to say, lord,
00:46:31.378 --> 00:46:35.382
I need help. i'm a sinner.
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I need a savior. i trust you.
00:46:37.818 --> 00:46:41.188
It's that simple. it wasn't simple for him.
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It necessitated the death on the cross, which he paid for every
00:46:44.291 --> 00:46:48.128
Sin that's ever been committed anywhere in the world, any
00:46:48.128 --> 00:46:51.765
Act of rebellion.
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But that invitation is open to every person.
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So if you're battling your
00:46:55.903 --> 00:46:57.738
Thoughts, then start right there.
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Give your heart to jesus right now.
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Lord, i give my heart to you.
00:47:01.942 --> 00:47:03.844
I trust you, i receive you, and then you find a church.
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You find a bible, you contact tbn, you help turn to
00:47:08.248 --> 00:47:12.619
People who will help you grow, and then you begin to take your
00:47:12.619 --> 00:47:15.555
Thoughts captive. just because you have a thought,
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You don't have to think it.
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You begin working on those ufos, those untruths that lead
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To false narratives that lead to overreactions.
00:47:22.996 --> 00:47:25.799
Odds are, you're treating your overreaction instead of going
00:47:25.799 --> 00:47:29.169
Back to that untruth.
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And you've just heard a testimony of how truth can
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Create a healthy reaction.
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And then lastly, you uproot and replant.
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That's basically what we do all day long.
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I had to do it this morning.
00:47:41.248 --> 00:47:42.849
I was kind of sluggish and i thought, i'm going to uproot
00:47:42.849 --> 00:47:45.452
That and i'm going to replant it.
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I can do all things through christ who gives me strength.
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And i was just saying that to myself over and over and over.
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What are you saying to yourself?
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Tell yourself the truth and you'll find a different person
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In the mirror looking at you tomorrow than you have today.
00:48:00.834 --> 00:48:04.738
Max lucado's tame your thoughts.
00:48:04.738 --> 00:48:08.608
Uh, max, thank you for stopping by.
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Um, your, um, your books now, um--
00:48:11.378 --> 00:48:17.551
Amazing. are just poetry.
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They-- all of them.
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They are-- from day one.
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They need to be put into a special section.
00:48:24.658 --> 00:48:27.928
Uh, it's a different style of writing.
00:48:27.928 --> 00:48:30.530
There is something--
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You need to read every one of them.
00:48:31.365 --> 00:48:32.866
What was your first book?
00:48:32.866 --> 00:48:35.268
Well, it was called on the anvil.
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That was the very, very, very first book.
00:48:37.237 --> 00:48:39.139
Nobody's ever heard of it.
00:48:39.139 --> 00:48:40.540
I don't think my mother even bought a copy.
00:48:40.540 --> 00:48:43.210
And that's okay.
00:48:43.210 --> 00:48:44.378
Okay. what year?
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What year? that would have been '85.
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'85.
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The next book, no wonder they call him the savior, is one of
00:48:48.849 --> 00:48:50.751
My favorite books.
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God, i love that book.
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I think that was the first one. my aunt mary gave it to me.
00:48:53.720 --> 00:48:57.124
So 40 years of writing books.
00:48:57.124 --> 00:48:59.926
You almost didn't become an author. right.
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You put your book out to 17 different publications.
00:49:03.063 --> 00:49:06.800
15. 15.
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14 rejected it.
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14 rejected.
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15. and you're still
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With that publisher.
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And you know what?
00:49:13.507 --> 00:49:14.808
Trilogy publishing was honored to be a max lucado author with
00:49:14.808 --> 00:49:19.746
Unshakable hope, and that's also available.
00:49:19.746 --> 00:49:23.283
Tame your thoughts is available wherever books are sold.
00:49:23.283 --> 00:49:25.986
There's this little company that you might have heard of
00:49:25.986 --> 00:49:28.655
Called amazon you can also get it on.
00:49:28.655 --> 00:49:31.258
They rush it to you.
00:49:31.258 --> 00:49:32.759
They drop it with a drone sometimes.
00:49:32.759 --> 00:49:35.195
Um, okay.
00:49:35.195 --> 00:49:36.563
Uh, your final thoughts, um, on taming your thoughts.
00:49:36.563 --> 00:49:41.234
Um, uh, laurie, i think your testimony was a perfect picture
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Of what we're hoping, uh, to,
00:49:45.839 --> 00:49:49.409
Uh, create in people's expectations.
00:49:49.409 --> 00:49:52.479
Here's an honest struggle, a real issue.
00:49:52.479 --> 00:49:56.483
Uh, it's not easy, but it's not devastating either.
00:49:56.483 --> 00:50:00.053
Right. and that's what we're trying--
00:50:00.053 --> 00:50:01.521
If we can just help people-- we're in a mental health crisis
00:50:01.521 --> 00:50:04.558
In the world.
00:50:04.558 --> 00:50:05.692
And some people do need professional help.
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They really do.
00:50:09.062 --> 00:50:09.930
And god bless those professionals.
00:50:09.930 --> 00:50:12.232
I think we all die with with the lack of hope.
00:50:12.232 --> 00:50:16.069
And i think the enemy of our soul wants to take that away.
00:50:16.069 --> 00:50:19.840
Yeah. and if we--
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If we can learn to renew our mind and to tame those
00:50:21.608 --> 00:50:24.811
Thoughts, that brings life and that brings hope to us.
00:50:24.811 --> 00:50:28.582
And i love you for this.
00:50:28.582 --> 00:50:30.584
You're the best writer i've ever read.
00:50:30.584 --> 00:50:33.186
You're amazing.
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And he just--
00:50:34.287 --> 00:50:35.522
It's almost like every line, you kind of want to cry, and
00:50:35.522 --> 00:50:38.091
You just kind of start crying.
00:50:38.091 --> 00:50:39.359
And by the time you get to the end of the paragraph, you're
00:50:39.359 --> 00:50:41.394
Just throwing tears at each other.
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I don't cry. i don't think he does.
00:50:45.232 --> 00:50:47.434
No, i do.
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I cry a little. he does.
00:50:48.735 --> 00:50:50.370
Okay. we'll see you next time. love you.
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Love you. bye bye.
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Are your thoughts leading you toward peace or pulling you
00:51:10.257 --> 00:51:14.161
Into fear, anxiety, and guilt?
00:51:14.161 --> 00:51:16.930
That satan is always hoping to deposit ideas, even in the
00:51:16.930 --> 00:51:20.534
Minds of the followers of christ.
00:51:20.534 --> 00:51:23.570
In his powerful new book, tame your thoughts, max lucado
00:51:23.570 --> 00:51:27.574
Offers three practical tools to renew your mind reclaim your
00:51:27.574 --> 00:51:31.011
Peace, and silence the lies of the enemy.
00:51:31.011 --> 00:51:34.514
We must plant a seed.
00:51:34.514 --> 00:51:36.917
We weed and we deposit seeds.
00:51:36.917 --> 00:51:39.986
And since the holy spirit works
00:51:39.986 --> 00:51:42.756
Through the word, we deposit scripture.
00:51:42.756 --> 00:51:45.825
Discover the peace that comes
00:51:45.825 --> 00:51:47.661
When god's word leads your thinking.
00:51:47.661 --> 00:51:50.730
So we continue to grow.
00:51:50.730 --> 00:51:52.399
But we will stumble.
00:51:52.399 --> 00:51:53.733
We will fall,
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There is absolutely no doubt.
00:51:54.734 --> 00:51:56.603
But the promise of god is that he will catch us.
00:51:56.603 --> 00:51:59.206
He will secure us, and he will make sure we get home.
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Are you ready to take back your peace of mind?
00:52:02.042 --> 00:52:04.511
Tame your thoughts is available now.
00:52:04.511 --> 00:52:04.511

Max Lucado: Winning the Battle Within | Praise

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