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Mike Huckabee: Beyond the Headlines: Serving the Holy Land | Praise

January 8, 2026 | 50:4

In "Praise," Ambassador Mike Huckabee is interviewed about his role as United States Ambassador to Israel, discussing his faith, the challenges in the region, and the importance of supporting Israel. He shares his experiences in Israel, the significance of key locations such as the Garden Tomb and the Sea of Galilee, and the importance of standing with the Jewish people. The interview delves into the complexities of the Israel-US relationship, the ongoing conflicts, and the hope for peace in the Middle East. Throughout, Huckabee emphasizes the spiritual, historical, and geopolitical significance of Israel in the context of biblical prophecy and modern diplomacy.

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Praise | Mike Huckabee: Beyond the Headlines: Serving the Holy Land | Praise | January 8, 2026

Male announcer: coming up tonight on "praise."
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Mike huckabee: well, every believer is an ambassador.
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It's so very true, we hear that word, we don't understand
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What it means.
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An ambassador simply is a person who takes the message of the one
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Who sent them, so an ambassador for christ is not a person who
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Goes out and tells everyone what he thinks, believes, or feels,
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And that's what a lot of people do.
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They say let me tell you what i think, let me tell you what i
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Believe, let me tell you how i feel.
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You know what we've gotta be?
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We've gotta be the people who say it doesn't matter what i
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Think, doesn't matter what i feel, doesn't matter what i
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Believe, what matters is what does god say?
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It's his message that i carry, so if it's not what he is
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Saying, i shouldn't say it.
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Ambassador for christ, it's not to go tell everyone what you're
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Thinking, but if i communicate the word of the living god, i
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Will be taking the message that he sent me to take.
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Announcer: tonight on "praise from israel," united states
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Ambassador to israel and former governor of arkansas,
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Mike huckabee.
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And now your host, o.s. hawkins.
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O.s. hawkins: welcome to our exclusive interview with us
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Ambassador mike huckabee.
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We're here in the beautiful tbn studios in jerusalem overlooking
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The holy city and the mount of olives.
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It was near this spot that david wrote in psalm number 48,
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"beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth is mount
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Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great king."
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It was here in the 145th psalm, he said, "as the mountains are
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Round about jerusalem, so the lord is round about his people."
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We're joined today by someone who needs really no introduction
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To us, especially our tbn family, former governor of
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Arkansas, former presidential candidate, now the united states
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Ambassador to israel, the honorable dear friend and former
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Tv host, popular tv host of tbn, ambassador mike huckabee.
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Ambassador, welcome.
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Mike huckabee: thank you, when you started out saying he needs
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No introduction, i was reminded of the time a guy got up and he
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Said, "here's a man who needs no introduction, and i'm glad
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Because i've never heard of him."
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O.s. hawkins: well, everybody's heard of you, and i've been in
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Jerusalem now for a few days, and i've never seen anybody as
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Embraced and loved as you are.
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You've been here almost a year.
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I remember when you first got here that janet, your wife, made
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A trek up masada, walked up the snake trail, and those of you
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Who've never done that cannot imagine the challenge that is,
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But they did that to stop along the way to pray for all of
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The hostages.
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I know you're a man of faith, we all know that, we're both
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Baptist preachers.
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How is that faith influenced what your calling is as
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An ambassador?
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Mike huckabee: well, it's every bit as much of what makes me
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Tick as anything, and i think there are some people who think
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That if you become an ambassador that you're supposed to divorce
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Yourself of your faith or maybe who you are.
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I think just the opposite, it is a composite of all that you are
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That makes you effective if you can remember why you're doing
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What you're doing and what it is that motivates you.
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And i sometimes have people will say to me after i've spoken at
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An event, wow, you spoke so freely about your faith, and it
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May be a completely jewish audience, but i say, look,
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That's who i am.
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But here's what's interesting, o.s., they appreciate it.
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It's not like they say, oh, i was very offended that you spoke
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About it, it was how refreshing that it was a part of you, and
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Especially, how can you not talk about your faith when you're in
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This land?
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It is the land of the bible, everywhere your foot is placed,
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You're stepping over layer after layer of biblical history.
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How can you not embrace faith when you live here in the holy
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City, in the holy land?
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O.s. hawkins: amen, and you have what all of us who are
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Evangelicals who love this land would think is a dream job.
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And ambassador, i know that i've often said i believe god has
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Been preparing you your whole life in every venue you've been
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In for this task that is before you here.
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So, how'd you first learn that you were gonna become the
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Ambassador to israel?
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Mike huckabee: very unexpectedly, a few days after
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The election, my phone rang.
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It was president trump, he was on the phone, and he called and
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He said--let me make clear, he does not ask you to do
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Something, he tells you what you're about to do, so he calls
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And he says, "mike, you're gonna be ambassador to israel, you're
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Gonna go there, you're gonna be my ambassador, you're gonna be
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Great, you'll be great, not as great as your daughter, she's
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Better, she's better than you," which he tells me every time i
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Talk to him, and that's fine with me, because first of all,
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It's the truth, and no parent is ever jealous of his or her
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Child's success.
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But he told me that i was gonna be coming to be ambassador.
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We've never had a conversation about it.
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I never asked for the position.
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I was enjoying my time hosting this magnificent show on tbn, i
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Was busier than i've ever been, i had a number of businesses
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That i owned and was operating and dealing with, and you know,
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This was going to be a total disruption to what for me was a
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Comfortable and peaceful life.
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But i knew without any doubt that when he asked me or told me
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That it was an isaiah 6 moment, here am i lord, send me, and
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Here i am.
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O.s. hawkins: and you know, last night we were together at a big
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Event here with a lot of dignitaries from jerusalem, from
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The state of israel.
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If there's one person that this nation loves as much as they do
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Mike huckabee, it's president trump, and it was apparent
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Last night.
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Mike huckabee: and deservedly so, because there's never been
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An american president who has been as helpful to the people of
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Israel and the jewish people as president trump.
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There have been presidents who have done significant things.
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Harry truman, very significant, that he recognized israel 11
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Minutes after they declared independence.
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Richard nixon, whose aide to them in 1973 in the yom kippur
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War may have saved this country from annihilation.
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There have been moments throughout its history, but no
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President has done what president trump has done.
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He moved the embassy to jerusalem.
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That's not a small thing, because this is the eternal
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Indigenous forever and undivided capital of the jewish state.
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But he actually recognized it after every other president had
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Said they would but never did.
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He recognized the golan heights as the sovereign territory of
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The state of israel.
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He was very faithful in recognizing jerusalem, not only
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For the embassy but as the capital, and then he's been a
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Faithful supporter even to the point of sending b-2 bombers
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During the 12-day war with iran, which effectively ended that war
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And without which that war could have stretched on for a long
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Time and resulted in many, many casualties.
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O.s. hawkins: as well as being responsible for the release in
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Many ways of the hostages, as we heard from omar shem tov last
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Night through tears who thanked president trump and knew that he
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Was the reason that they got out of those tunnels after
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Five days.
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Mike huckabee: he was exactly the reason, because it was his
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Pressure of getting all of the arab nations together and
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Unanimously having them say to hamas, you're done, let all the
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Hostages go, you have to end this.
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And had that not happened and president trump not had the,
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Really the clout to put that pressure on them, it would not
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Have happened, and the president didn't say, all right, dribble
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Those hostages out one by one.
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No, he said they all come out, and as we are taping this,
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There's only one hostage left, one was recovered last night,
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The individual from thailand, and so we have one
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Hostage remaining.
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I'm hoping by the time this airs, he's home with his family,
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He's deceased but still home for a proper burial, and that will
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Be the last hostage remaining.
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O.s. hawkins: yeah, and when he does, i'll remove my
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Yellow ribbon.
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Ambassador, your first few months here in this land have
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Been packed with historic moments in the life of this
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Nation of almost unprecedented means, the hostage situation,
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The release of the hostages, not to mention the 12-day iranian
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War when ballistic missiles were coming by the thousands, falling
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All over this nation.
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We read about it, we saw it on television, but we never lived
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It like you did, and it must have been something.
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A lot of people had the idea that these were just little
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Missiles that were coming over here, but i think they were
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Large as semi trucks, weren't they?
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Mike huckabee: they were, a ballistic missile is the size of
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An 18-wheeler, so you know, people who think it's a little
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Rocket that's about knee high, nuh-uh, this is not like the
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Rockets that were coming out of gaza for the most part, and the
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Iron dome would be able to intercept most of them.
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Some of those rockets were bigger, but most of the rockets
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Are relatively small, although they still can inflict
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Extraordinary damage on both people and property.
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But a ballistic missile, again, with the size and the warhead
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That is capable of a massive device of incendiary nature, you
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Just don't play around with it, and so there were many nights
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During the 12-day war that the entire country was heading to
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The shelter repeatedly.
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There were nights that janet and i went to the shelter as many as
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Five times in one night, which means you never went to sleep,
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Because just about the time you get to bed, here come
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The sirens.
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You have 90 seconds to get from wherever you are to a shelter.
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Here's the miracle, israel had calculated that in this war they
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Would probably see 20,000 civilian deaths.
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There were 29, and all but 5 were people who did not get to a
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Shelter, and the 5 who were killed that were in a shelter,
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They were in a shelter that took a direct hit from a ballistic
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Missile, and when that happens, i don't care what kind of
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Shelter you're in, you're not likely to survive it.
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O.s. hawkins: so, living through that here, literally going to
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Shelters five times a night, like every family in israel
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Basically was doing, what did you see about the resiliency of
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This population of people in this small country?
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Mike huckabee: well, you really hit the magic word,
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It's resilience.
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I've never seen anything like it.
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Israelis are resilient, first of all, because it is within
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Their dna.
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This is a resilient people dating all the way back
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To abraham.
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These are people who have constantly been under threat,
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They've been under siege, they've been hunted, chased
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Around the world, martyred.
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They keep coming back because they refuse to give up on god's
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Covenant with them, and that's something a lot of people in
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America do not fully comprehend or understand.
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This is hardwired into them.
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But you also see just on a day-by-day basis the resilience
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That says we are not giving up our land, god gave it to us, we
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Were scattered for 2,000 years, we've come back, and no one is
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Gonna take the land away from us that god gave us 3800 years ago.
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O.s. hawkins: you know, gaza has been on the front page of all of
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Our newspapers for two years now, and i know you've had some
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Strong words about hamas and your feelings toward it.
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There's a lot of confusion, to be honest with you, in the west,
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Especially in america, as to what's happening there, what was
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The result of it.
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As we look now toward hopefully the completion of this gaaza
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War, what is the end game?
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How do you see the end game playing out in gaza?
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Mike huckabee: the most difficult challenge is for hamas
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To fully disarm and demilitarize, and that's been
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The sticky point.
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It has not fully been accomplished yet, and the big
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Question is who's going to do it.
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There are a number of countries that are willing to provide
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Humanitarian aid.
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They're willing to come in and even be a monitoring force, if
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You will, on the border to keep hamas from coming across
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That border.
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But the big challenge, who is willing to go and take the guns
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Away from hamas before they can reconstitute and continue their
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Havoc on innocent civilian people?
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It's what the president outlined very clearly in his 20-point
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Peace plan.
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It is one of the most important fundamental things that is
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A part of it.
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It's the most difficult, and once that happens, everything
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Else really starts getting a lot easier, but it is a process, not
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An event, and hopefully the process will be accomplished,
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And i think the way it will be accomplished will be a
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Combination of some kinetic military action, but a lot of it
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Will be to starve off the finances of hamas, make it where
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They can't get any funds to pay their terrorists, and to take
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Away whatever supplies so that they have no choice.
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Many people don't understand, the israeli government has
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Offered them the opportunity to go into exile and to seek asylum
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Somewhere, but they have to leave gaza, and president trump
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Has been consistent, to his credit, he has been consistent
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That hamas has no future in gaza, they can't stay, they
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Must go.
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O.s. hawkins: and must be dismantled.
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So we also hear a lot about their tunnel system and with the
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Billions of dollars that really have come in from all over the
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World to build that nation, and yet we sometimes think they have
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A few tunnels, but i believe it's a massive multi-hundred
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Miles of tunnels, billions of dollars they've spent for the
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Express purpose of terrorizing and annihilating this country
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Of israel.
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Mike huckabee: they've built over 500 miles of tunnels
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Underneath gaza.
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Let me put it in perspective, gaza is small.
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It's the size of las vegas, nevada.
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The whole gaza strip is las vegas's size.
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Most people have been there, they know, okay, it's not
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That big.
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This is, you know, the entirety.
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Underneath, that tunnel system is larger than the
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London underground.
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So, anyone who's been to london understands the incredible
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Underground, the tube they call it in london.
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It's small compared to the terror tunnels that hamas
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Has built.
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Why did they build those tunnels?
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Was it to move people safely and quickly from one place to the
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Other so they could have an efficient transportation system?
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Nope, it was to hide terrorists, hide weapons, and ultimately
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Used as a mechanism to kill innocent civilian jews.
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That's why it's there, and they have squandered billions and
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Billions of dollars of aid that was given to them because
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Everybody wanted to help the palestinian people.
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They didn't help the palestinian people, they provided the
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Hardware, they provided the financing for the most horrific
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Terror attack on jewish people since the holocaust.
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Mike huckabee: most people in america have no idea what river
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And what sea.
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We're talking the jordan river and the mediterranean sea, and
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If you created a zone that was completely palestinian from the
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River to the sea, there would be no israel, which is exactly what
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The palestinian terrorists would like to see happen.
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O.s. hawkins: people are confused and wondering today
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About this new relationship with the saudis.
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What's the atmosphere of the hope of the abraham accords and
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The gulf states and what part they might help play?
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Mike huckabee: before i came, i had a conversation with
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President trump in the oval office at the white house, and i
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Told him, i said, mr. president, i think that your presidency
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Could have impact on the middle east, and i used the term of
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Biblical proportion, and i really believe that.
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I think we're in the midst of seeing a complete realignment of
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The middle east.
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The middle east.
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O.s. hawkins: another piece of information we all hear about on
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The news all the time is the humanitarian crisis that's in
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Gaza, the food supply, and usually on a lot of media,
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Israel gets blamed for seeking to starve out the gazan people.
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I know you personally at this very point went into gaza.
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Mike huckabee: yeah.
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O.s. hawkins: you saw it for yourself.
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What really is happening with the food distribution over the
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Last few months and even till this very day?
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Mike huckabee: well, even at the worst of it, there were all
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These allegations that israel was starving the people, that
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They weren't bringing enough food, and well, first of all, in
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The history of mankind--and i've asked many reporters this
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Question, and i've asked other ambassadors who came in to tell
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Me that, oh, israel is gonna have to put more food, and i
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Asked them, can you name one country in the history of the
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World who was attacked and who was expected to feed the country
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That attacked them in the midst of the war?
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Long silence, nobody can answer it, because it's never happened.
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And i said to the brits, because they were whining, and their
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Prime minister whining about, oh, the israelis are starving
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The people of gaza, and they need to be dropping more
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Food in.
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And i reminded them, i said, you know, in world war ii, the brits
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Were dropping some things into dresden, but it wasn't food.
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It was bombs that within a few days killed 30,000 civilians.
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So you might want to sit this one out, because there's really
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No room for you to talk about dropping something on the people
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Who are trying to kill you when you weren't dropping food, you
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Were dropping bombs.
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Israel is trying to end this war, but here's the part people
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Don't understand.
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Was there some suffering and deprivation?
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Yes, why?
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Because hamas stole the food that was going in, they
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Warehoused it, and then they sold it on the black market at
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Ridiculous prices to people who were in need of it.
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Hamas financed their operations by stealing over 90% of the food
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That the un was saying they were going to get into the people.
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If you looked at the pictures of the people who were leading
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Hamas, they didn't need food, they needed ozempic.
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They were not hungry.
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It was ridiculous for them to pretend, but i can tell you who
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Was starving, and i can tell you who was hungry, the hostages.
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They were not getting food.
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And i didn't hear people screaming about feed those
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Hostages, make sure they're being treated fairly.
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Nobody was talking about them.
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They were talking about how israel was so unfair to the
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People of gaza, and i'm thinking the people of gaza, the innocent
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People, sure, we should try to help them, but let's not forget
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Why this conflict is going on.
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They came across on october 7th.
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They didn't just murder people, they massacred them.
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They mutilated them in front of their families.
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They raped mothers in front of their children.
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They did the most horrific things that are so unspeakable
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That the details of which we couldn't even discuss on a
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Program like this, and then somehow israel is the bad guy?
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I'm sorry, it just doesn't wash with reality.
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O.s. hawkins: right, and you know, the other thing that we're
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Seeing in the newspapers a lot over the last several months are
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Protests on college campuses everywhere, probably fueled by
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Outside sources, i'm sure, but there's always this sign that we
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See that says from the river to the sea, palestine must be free,
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Which appears to me--i want your opinion of this--to be
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Just a call for virtually the annihilation of the state
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Of israel.
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Mike huckabee: it's exactly what it's calling for, because if--
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Most people in america have no idea what river and what sea.
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We're talking the jordan river and the mediterranean sea, and
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If you created a zone that was completely palestinian from the
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River to the sea, there would be no israel, which is exactly what
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The palestinian terrorists would like to see happen.
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I have in my office at the embassy a map that was taken out
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Of a fifth grade classroom in gaza, directly from there.
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I have it framed, and when people come in, and they're
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Talking about, you know, the river to the sea, or they're
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Talking about we've got to have a two-state or whatever they
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Want to say, i bring that map out, and i say, okay, here's a
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Map that was being used in a fifth grade classroom in gaza.
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Show me where israel is on the map, because it's a map of
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Israel, and they look, and i say it's not there, is it, why?
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Because it's a palestinian state.
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These kids are taught from an early age
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That there should be an annihilation, a complete
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Destruction of israel and the jewish people.
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That's what we're working against.
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O.s. hawkins: and it foments as they grow into adolescence and
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Into young adulthood.
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So, you know, i wanna say one thing.
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I know--i appreciate your balanced approach as the
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Ambassador here.
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I know that you came to the defense and spoke about there
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Was a palestinian that was murdered by some settlers in the
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West bank when you came to his defense in that.
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And you know, speaking of that in the west bank, judea, judea
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And samaria, this is somewhat confusing to some people in
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America who only hear this west bank.
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What is the west bank?
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Is there a west bank?
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What is judea and samaria?
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And how--what is your take on all this?
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Mike huckabee: well, most americans talk about the west
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Bank, and they have no clue what they're talking about.
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If you go back to 1967, it really is the meaning of the
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West bank of the jordan river, which means the jordan river
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That once separated jordan and really the part of israel that
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We now call.
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Jordan owned all of that until 1967.
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After 1967 when israel won the six day war, people forget
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Israel won the war, why should they give up land?
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Usually when you win the war, you don't shrink your size.
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But west bank, i don't use the term because to me it's a
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Nebulous term that people don't really get, so i use the
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Biblical term judea and samaria.
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That is the land that is really it is west of the jordan river,
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But 80% of the bible happened in judea and samaria.
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So to me, the biblical term is historic.
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It has context both biblically and historically as well
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As geopolitically.
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So that to me is a more descriptive and a more accurate
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Term, but it is that land that basically is from dan to
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Beersheba, that is the heartland of the state of israel and the
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Heartland of the bible land.
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O.s. hawkins: so i heard the foreign minister last night
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Refer to jerusalem, talking about washington dc
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As jerusalem dc, jerusalem, david's capital,
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So this city we're sitting in now and overlooking,
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Is it a political capital?
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Is it a biblical capital?
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Is it both?
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Mike huckabee: it is both, and it's one of the most unique
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Cities in the world.
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I find this to be, for me, the most amazing city on earth, and
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I've been to a lot of places, not everywhere, but i've been to
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A lot of places.
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I don't know of a city that is more enchanting, that is more
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Interesting, that is more magnetic than jerusalem, because
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Here you have major presence of judaism, christianity,
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And islam.
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And for the most part, they operate with a real sense
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Of ease.
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The israelis, to their credit, give access to muslims to their
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Holy sites, to christians to our holy sites, and of course to
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Jews to their holy sites.
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They never get credit for doing that, for being equally
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Protective of sites that they don't religiously agree with.
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But this city is without a doubt the biblical capital of the
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Jewish people.
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It has been since the time of king david, but it is also the
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Geographical geopolitical capital.
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No other people ever in the history of the world have had
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Jerusalem as their capital other than the jewish people, no one.
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So when people talk about the palestinian capital wanting to
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Be in jerusalem, they say, well you can--if you want to do
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That, it would be the first time the palestinians have ever had a
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Capital in jerusalem.
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Prior to 1967, east jerusalem and even west jerusalem, a lot
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Of it was under the control-- it was jordanian.
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It was under the king of jordan's jurisdiction.
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It was not a capital of the palestinian people.
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There was no palestinian people until 1964 when yasser arafat
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Pulled the term right out of the blue sky and said we're gonna
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Create the palestinian liberation organization.
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Prior to that, the word palestinian was a geographical
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Term that meant this land.
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And it goes all the way back to the first century to
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The philistines.
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It was a derisive term used to insult the jews, but if you talk
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To a jew up until 1964 and said who are the palestinians?
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A person living here would say, "well, i am, i'm a palestinian,"
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And they would be jewish, but it meant they lived in the
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Geographical land.
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O.s. hawkins: the major newspaper here, "the jerusalem
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Post," originally it was called "the palestine post" for that
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Very reason.
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You know, you're right, this city, anybody who's been to this
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City, walked these streets, it's atmospheric.
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You can feel it in the air.
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Fifty years ago this month i made my first trip here.
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You beat me by 2 years, even though i'm older than you,
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Because you first came 52 years ago.
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But i remember the first time my wife susie and i sat down in
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This land and walked the streets of jerusalem.
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I felt like i was coming home, and over 100 trips now, i never
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Come here, i don't feel the same way.
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Just to change gears just a moment, mohammed bin salman was
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The head of the--who is the head of saudi arabia recently
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Was in the united states and welcomed by the president.
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Many people are so hopeful of the abraham accords that the
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Initiative that i know you've been such a part of, and we're
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So hopeful that many of the people will come in, but people
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Are confused and wondering today about this new relationship with
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The saudis.
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I think we may be sending them some fighter jets, and what's
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The atmosphere of the hope of the abraham accords and the gulf
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States, and what part they might help play?
00:27:46.421 --> 00:27:48.923
Mike huckabee: before i came, i had a conversation with
00:27:48.923 --> 00:27:50.925
President trump in the oval office at the white house, and i
00:27:50.925 --> 00:27:53.728
Told him, i said, mr. president, i think that your presidency
00:27:53.728 --> 00:27:57.232
Could have impact on the middle east, and i used the term of
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Biblical proportion, and i really believe that.
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Here's what i mean.
00:28:05.373 --> 00:28:06.741
There could be a total--and i think we're in the midst of
00:28:06.741 --> 00:28:08.943
Seeing a complete realignment of the middle east and a different
00:28:08.943 --> 00:28:13.648
Kind of atmosphere that we've really never been able to
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Imagine before, that there could be normalization between israel
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And nations that have been mortal enemies in the past,
00:28:21.556 --> 00:28:26.694
Saudi arabia, syria, lebanon.
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There's already peace agreements with jordan and egypt, with
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Bahrain, with morocco, the uae, which is a stellar leader in
00:28:32.967 --> 00:28:40.375
This whole idea of normalization.
00:28:40.375 --> 00:28:42.010
I give them so much credit.
00:28:42.010 --> 00:28:43.778
I don't think they're appreciated enough for what they
00:28:43.778 --> 00:28:45.880
Have done to bring peace to the region.
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.883
But we are living in the possibility.
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I'm not saying it's going to happen and it's going to be
00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:52.854
Easy, it's very fragile, i'll be the first to admit that.
00:28:52.854 --> 00:28:57.525
But as you look at what's taking place and attitudes, there is
00:28:57.525 --> 00:29:03.331
The real possibility that you would see a very different
00:29:03.331 --> 00:29:08.136
Realignment in the middle east, and the only people outside of
00:29:08.136 --> 00:29:11.573
It would be those who choose to be like iran, who unless they
00:29:11.573 --> 00:29:15.043
See a regime change, unless they go back to what they were before
00:29:15.043 --> 00:29:18.880
The ayatollahs forcefully took over in 1979, you would see
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:24.052
Something that would be of biblical proportions.
00:29:24.052 --> 00:29:27.455
O.s. hawkins: you know, it's important to note that jesus
00:29:27.455 --> 00:29:29.324
Didn't pronounce a blessing on the peace lovers, he said
00:29:29.324 --> 00:29:35.697
Blessed are the peacemakers, and the reality is sometimes we have
00:29:35.697 --> 00:29:40.869
To make peace.
00:29:40.869 --> 00:29:42.237
And those of us who view culture and view world events through
00:29:42.237 --> 00:29:46.140
The lens of scripture know that ultimately we won't have
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:50.345
Permanent peace until the coming of the prince of peace himself,
00:29:50.345 --> 00:29:53.348
Who one day will set foot on that mountain right over there,
00:29:53.348 --> 00:29:56.117
The mount of olives and set up his earthly kingdom here and
00:29:56.117 --> 00:29:59.854
Reign and rule from jerusalem.
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But what we're praying for, what we're hoping for is a season of
00:30:02.390 --> 00:30:07.061
Peace that comes to this land that's been wrought with such
00:30:07.061 --> 00:30:12.333
War and such heartache, and what--sometimes we forget.
00:30:12.333 --> 00:30:15.803
We talk a lot about the hostages,
00:30:15.803 --> 00:30:17.839
And thank god for the hostages coming out,
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.875
But i think there's been 2,000 young israeli men and
00:30:20.875 --> 00:30:24.312
Women who've lost their lives in that gaza war, whose lives were
00:30:24.312 --> 00:30:28.349
Snuffed out, like they have been in every war, they've sacrificed
00:30:28.349 --> 00:30:32.520
Their young adults, but we pray for peace, we hope for peace.
00:30:32.520 --> 00:30:37.392
You think there's a chance for some kind of a peace on
00:30:37.392 --> 00:30:40.295
The horizon?
00:30:40.295 --> 00:30:41.629
Mike huckabee: i do, i don't think there'll ever be a time
00:30:41.629 --> 00:30:44.399
When everybody's, joining around the campfire toasting
00:30:44.399 --> 00:30:47.268
Marshmallows hugging each other and singing kumbaya.
00:30:47.268 --> 00:30:50.371
I'm not gonna be unrealistic.
00:30:50.371 --> 00:30:52.140
There are going to be pockets of terrorism, there are going to be
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:54.175
Pockets of conflict, because you can't completely surgically
00:30:54.175 --> 00:30:58.246
Remove that from the hearts of people who have had it hardwired
00:30:58.246 --> 00:31:01.582
Into them.
00:31:01.582 --> 00:31:02.917
But you mentioned a moment ago there's a difference between
00:31:02.917 --> 00:31:05.753
Peace lovers and peacemakers, and i'm glad you made
00:31:05.753 --> 00:31:08.289
That distinction.
00:31:08.289 --> 00:31:09.891
There are a lot of people that'll go around college
00:31:09.891 --> 00:31:11.526
Campuses waving a sign, you know, peace now.
00:31:11.526 --> 00:31:14.762
They have no idea what peace is, and so they think that peace is
00:31:14.762 --> 00:31:18.833
Just being a pacifist.
00:31:18.833 --> 00:31:20.568
Well, loving peace, that's fine, but loving peace doesn't
00:31:20.568 --> 00:31:24.439
Make it.
00:31:24.439 --> 00:31:25.807
Sometimes making peace requires a police officer with a badge
00:31:25.807 --> 00:31:30.478
And a gun, it requires a soldier with a tank and an rpg and maybe
00:31:30.478 --> 00:31:36.417
An airplane.
00:31:36.417 --> 00:31:37.952
Peace lovers abound, peacemakers are few, because peacemakers are
00:31:37.952 --> 00:31:43.825
The ones that have to personally engage in the making of peace.
00:31:43.825 --> 00:31:48.629
Sometimes they are the ones about whom jesus spoke when he
00:31:48.629 --> 00:31:51.065
Said no greater love has this than a man lay down his life for
00:31:51.065 --> 00:31:54.402
His friends.
00:31:54.402 --> 00:31:55.770
When you go to a military cemetery and you see those
00:31:55.770 --> 00:31:58.072
Gravestones, we need to remember those are the peacemakers, these
00:31:58.072 --> 00:32:02.143
Are the ones who made the peace.
00:32:02.143 --> 00:32:04.078
The rest of us loved it, but they're the ones who made it,
00:32:04.078 --> 00:32:07.348
And they made it for us.
00:32:07.348 --> 00:32:09.384
O.s. hawkins: what one word describes us/israel
00:32:09.384 --> 00:32:14.255
Relationships right now?
00:32:14.255 --> 00:32:15.923
Mike huckabee: partnership, partnership, not just friendship
00:32:15.923 --> 00:32:19.427
Or alliance, partnership.
00:32:19.427 --> 00:32:21.863
It is unlike any relationship we have with any country on earth.
00:32:21.863 --> 00:32:25.333
It is a genuine partnership the likes of which most americans
00:32:25.333 --> 00:32:28.269
Have no idea.
00:32:28.269 --> 00:32:29.604
We share intelligence to a level that is seamless, we share
00:32:29.604 --> 00:32:32.407
Military hardware, military strategy and tactics, we share
00:32:32.407 --> 00:32:37.245
Technology, we share medical advances, agricultural advances.
00:32:37.245 --> 00:32:41.015
Our nations are joined in a way that is incredibly unique.
00:32:41.015 --> 00:32:45.420
O.s. hawkins: what do you think the one thing that might--
00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:48.856
That's most understood by americans about israel?
00:32:48.856 --> 00:32:54.695
Mike huckabee: how very resilient the people are, as we
00:32:54.695 --> 00:32:58.933
Talked about earlier, but i think also how resolved they are
00:32:58.933 --> 00:33:05.339
To defend this land and to recognize that they were chased
00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:11.112
From it 2,000 years ago.
00:33:11.112 --> 00:33:13.147
And their resolve is that'll never happen again.
00:33:13.147 --> 00:33:15.783
O.s. hawkins: and they're born knowing that one day they'll
00:33:15.783 --> 00:33:18.986
Wear the idf uniform.
00:33:18.986 --> 00:33:20.621
Mike huckabee: and they're willing to fight for it.
00:33:20.621 --> 00:33:22.423
You know, every young male serves three years in the
00:33:22.423 --> 00:33:24.692
Military, every young female two years in the military.
00:33:24.692 --> 00:33:27.995
They don't just go out of high school, go to college, they get
00:33:27.995 --> 00:33:30.731
Out of high school, go to the military.
00:33:30.731 --> 00:33:32.600
By the time they do go to college, they've done a lot of
00:33:32.600 --> 00:33:35.069
Growing up, they spend the rest of their life knowing that
00:33:35.069 --> 00:33:38.506
They're the only ones who will defend this land from all those
00:33:38.506 --> 00:33:41.242
Who want to take it from them, and they're prepared, willing,
00:33:41.242 --> 00:33:44.512
And ready to do it.
00:33:44.512 --> 00:33:45.847
O.s. hawkins: and spend the next 20 years of their lives in the
00:33:45.847 --> 00:33:47.782
Reserves ready to be called up as we saw on october 7th at a
00:33:47.782 --> 00:33:51.586
Moment's notice.
00:33:51.586 --> 00:33:53.621
Mike huckabee: i don't even understand how any christian
00:33:53.621 --> 00:33:57.425
Would be able to say, oh, god's finished with the jews, he has
00:33:57.425 --> 00:34:00.561
Nothing else to do with them, he cut them off, and now it's all
00:34:00.561 --> 00:34:03.764
About the christians.
00:34:03.764 --> 00:34:05.099
Well, first of all, what an arrogant statement to make, as
00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:07.635
If we get to make that decision.
00:34:07.635 --> 00:34:09.237
Well, we don't.
00:34:09.237 --> 00:34:10.571
And if you read romans 11, it becomes pretty clear that god
00:34:10.571 --> 00:34:13.441
Isn't finished with the jewish people.
00:34:13.441 --> 00:34:15.576
Christians are grafted in.
00:34:15.576 --> 00:34:17.745
It is not that the jewish people may get to come in the back door
00:34:17.745 --> 00:34:20.548
With us, we get to come in the back door with them.
00:34:20.548 --> 00:34:23.885
Thank god we get to come in at all, but if god can break his
00:34:23.885 --> 00:34:27.121
Covenant of any kind, if he did it with the jewish people, what
00:34:27.121 --> 00:34:31.125
On earth makes me think that he wouldn't break his covenant
00:34:31.125 --> 00:34:34.128
With me?
00:34:34.128 --> 00:34:35.463
You say, well, the jewish people sinned.
00:34:35.463 --> 00:34:37.064
Are you telling me the christian church has not sinned?
00:34:37.064 --> 00:34:40.301
The only way we have any hope is by grace, and i think it's one
00:34:40.301 --> 00:34:43.404
Of the dumbest theological perspectives that has hit
00:34:43.404 --> 00:34:47.608
America and the world.
00:34:47.608 --> 00:34:51.004
America and the world.
00:34:51.004 --> 00:34:53.482
O.s. hawkins: what's the most misunderstood thing that
00:34:54.583 --> 00:34:57.352
Israelis may believe about americans or even evangelicals?
00:34:57.352 --> 00:35:02.391
Mike huckabee: i think the biggest thing they misunderstand
00:35:02.391 --> 00:35:04.092
About evangelicals is why evangelicals are so supportive
00:35:04.092 --> 00:35:07.262
Of the jewish people and of israel as a nation.
00:35:07.262 --> 00:35:11.900
And i have to remind them, it's because you can be jewish and
00:35:11.900 --> 00:35:16.071
Not have anything to do with christians.
00:35:16.071 --> 00:35:18.173
You cannot be a christian and divorce yourself from the
00:35:18.173 --> 00:35:21.143
Foundation of judaism, so it's impossible for me as a christian
00:35:21.143 --> 00:35:25.747
Believer, a follower of yeshua, to say i don't wanna have
00:35:25.747 --> 00:35:29.718
Anything to do with the jews.
00:35:29.718 --> 00:35:31.053
Well, jesus was jewish, the early church, they were
00:35:31.053 --> 00:35:34.423
All jewish.
00:35:34.423 --> 00:35:35.757
The entire foundation upon which the christian faith is built
00:35:35.757 --> 00:35:38.994
From abraham, isaac, and jacob, the whole lineage through the
00:35:38.994 --> 00:35:42.965
Line of david and the birth of bethlehem, every bit of that
00:35:42.965 --> 00:35:45.734
Was jewish.
00:35:45.734 --> 00:35:47.069
To say i don't want anything to do with the jewish people is to
00:35:47.069 --> 00:35:49.805
Say i don't want anything to do with my own faith.
00:35:49.805 --> 00:35:51.807
It is really a irrational statement to make.
00:35:51.807 --> 00:35:56.645
O.s. hawkins: it's always surprising to me, we read a
00:35:56.645 --> 00:35:59.014
Jewish book, the bible.
00:35:59.014 --> 00:36:00.349
How can we love the bible and not love the jewish people?
00:36:00.349 --> 00:36:03.685
We worship a jewish messiah.
00:36:03.685 --> 00:36:06.154
How can we love him without loving the jewish people?
00:36:06.154 --> 00:36:09.024
I've heard you say often that if god were to break his covenant
00:36:09.024 --> 00:36:13.629
Promises with israel, what hope do we have that he wouldn't
00:36:13.629 --> 00:36:17.633
Break his covenant promises with us?
00:36:17.633 --> 00:36:20.702
Mike huckabee: i don't even understand how any christian
00:36:20.702 --> 00:36:24.473
Would be able to say, oh, god's finished with the jews, he has
00:36:24.473 --> 00:36:27.643
Nothing else to do with them, he cut them off, and now it's all
00:36:27.643 --> 00:36:30.812
About the christians.
00:36:30.812 --> 00:36:32.180
Well, first of all, what an arrogant statement to make, as
00:36:32.180 --> 00:36:34.916
If we get to make that decision.
00:36:34.916 --> 00:36:36.318
Well, we don't.
00:36:36.318 --> 00:36:37.686
And if you read romans 11, it becomes pretty clear, in fact,
00:36:37.686 --> 00:36:40.422
It's so clear that no one can mistake it unless you just
00:36:40.422 --> 00:36:43.191
Scratch that chapter out of the bible, that god isn't finished
00:36:43.191 --> 00:36:47.296
With the jewish people, christians are grafted in.
00:36:47.296 --> 00:36:50.899
It is not that the jewish people may get to come in the back door
00:36:50.899 --> 00:36:53.835
With us, we get to come in the back door with them.
00:36:53.835 --> 00:36:57.205
Thank god we get to come in at all.
00:36:57.205 --> 00:37:00.075
But if god can break his covenant, if god would break his
00:37:00.075 --> 00:37:04.112
Covenant of any kind, if he did it with the jewish people, what
00:37:04.112 --> 00:37:08.450
On earth makes me think that he wouldn't break his covenant
00:37:08.450 --> 00:37:11.453
With me?
00:37:11.453 --> 00:37:12.788
You say, well, the jewish people sinned.
00:37:12.788 --> 00:37:14.356
Are you telling me the christian church has not sinned?
00:37:14.356 --> 00:37:17.592
The only way we have any hope is by grace.
00:37:17.592 --> 00:37:20.329
We have no hope if it's dependent upon our keeping his
00:37:20.329 --> 00:37:23.665
Commandments, so that's nonsensical on its face, and i
00:37:23.665 --> 00:37:28.203
Think it's one of the dumbest theological perspectives that
00:37:28.203 --> 00:37:31.873
Has hit america and the world over the past 50, 100 years.
00:37:31.873 --> 00:37:35.577
O.s. hawkins: which has been the message of tbn for over 50
00:37:35.577 --> 00:37:39.147
Years, the message of paul crouch, now the message of matt
00:37:39.147 --> 00:37:42.584
And laurie crouch, the fact that it's all of grace, it's by grace
00:37:42.584 --> 00:37:48.557
Through faith in christ alone.
00:37:48.557 --> 00:37:50.892
Ambassador, what's the most-- i've been--we've been with some
00:37:50.892 --> 00:37:54.096
Hostages this week that have been released, and i saw the
00:37:54.096 --> 00:38:00.001
Deep gratitude and love they had for you.
00:38:00.001 --> 00:38:03.739
What is really, in these last many months you've been here,
00:38:03.739 --> 00:38:07.042
What's been the most rewarding moment of your ambassadorship?
00:38:07.042 --> 00:38:10.879
Mike huckabee: seeing those hostages come out.
00:38:10.879 --> 00:38:12.547
I was sitting at ben gurion airport waiting on president
00:38:12.547 --> 00:38:14.983
Trump to land in air force one when the hostages started coming
00:38:14.983 --> 00:38:18.620
Out, the last of the living hostages, and it reminded me of
00:38:18.620 --> 00:38:23.725
How i felt watching the moon landing in 1969 when neil
00:38:23.725 --> 00:38:27.295
Armstrong stepped on the moon.
00:38:27.295 --> 00:38:29.064
It had that kind of historical presence.
00:38:29.064 --> 00:38:31.566
I'll never forget where i was, what i felt, what i saw.
00:38:31.566 --> 00:38:35.771
But having met with hostage families every single week since
00:38:35.771 --> 00:38:39.608
I've been here and most weeks several times a week, i met with
00:38:39.608 --> 00:38:43.311
Virtually every hostage family that still had people in and
00:38:43.311 --> 00:38:46.882
Many of them whose family members and many of the hostages
00:38:46.882 --> 00:38:50.452
Who had already come out before i got here, and so that's a, you
00:38:50.452 --> 00:38:55.924
Know, almost probably close to 200 of them, and i think without
00:38:55.924 --> 00:39:00.695
A doubt it's been the release of the hostages and seeing them
00:39:00.695 --> 00:39:05.400
Reunite with their families and seeing those families have the
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:09.204
Joy of their loved one coming home.
00:39:09.204 --> 00:39:12.307
O.s. hawkins: so, for our tbn family, for all of us, you've
00:39:12.307 --> 00:39:15.477
Been here over 100 times.
00:39:15.477 --> 00:39:17.179
Before you became ambassador, you brought multiplied thousands
00:39:17.179 --> 00:39:21.716
Of pilgrims here, more than anybody else i know, to
00:39:21.716 --> 00:39:24.920
The land.
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:26.288
In fact, all of us who were pastors trying to get a group
00:39:26.288 --> 00:39:28.023
Together, we'd always run into the facts, oh, well, i'm going
00:39:28.023 --> 00:39:30.292
To israel, but i'm going with mike huckabee.
00:39:30.292 --> 00:39:32.561
But i know you brought so many people here, you've been here so
00:39:32.561 --> 00:39:35.530
Many times.
00:39:35.530 --> 00:39:36.865
You came as a teenager the first time 52 years ago.
00:39:36.865 --> 00:39:39.534
Is there a place here in this land, or was there a moment in
00:39:39.534 --> 00:39:43.071
Time, a snapshot in time when god made something very special
00:39:43.071 --> 00:39:48.009
To you in this land or some particular spot that you still
00:39:48.009 --> 00:39:51.680
Like to go to where you've met god in a very special way?
00:39:51.680 --> 00:39:54.749
Mike huckabee: well, there've been many places and
00:39:54.749 --> 00:39:56.117
Many moments.
00:39:56.117 --> 00:39:57.486
A couple come to mind.
00:39:57.486 --> 00:39:58.820
One is the first time i went to the garden tomb.
00:39:58.820 --> 00:40:03.492
There was something overwhelming to me spiritually.
00:40:03.492 --> 00:40:08.196
I know that some people say, well, it happened at the church
00:40:08.196 --> 00:40:10.131
Of the holy sepulcher, others say at the garden tomb.
00:40:10.131 --> 00:40:13.869
Nobody can say with absolute certainty they know exactly
00:40:13.869 --> 00:40:17.239
Where it happened.
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:18.573
Here's what i know.
00:40:18.573 --> 00:40:19.941
You go to either place, they're both empty, there's no
00:40:19.941 --> 00:40:23.678
Body there.
00:40:23.678 --> 00:40:25.680
We serve a risen savior.
00:40:25.680 --> 00:40:28.183
But the first time i went to the garden tomb, i was overwhelmed
00:40:28.183 --> 00:40:30.719
With this just presence of god that i'd never have gotten over,
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.823
And i was 17 years old when that happened.
00:40:34.823 --> 00:40:37.626
But if there's one place in the land that it just is magic for
00:40:37.626 --> 00:40:41.897
Me, it's still the galilee, and i think it's because it still
00:40:41.897 --> 00:40:47.135
Maintains some sense of serenity and peace, it's not
00:40:47.135 --> 00:40:51.339
As developed.
00:40:51.339 --> 00:40:52.674
I mean, jerusalem is a very busy, kinetic city, you're
00:40:52.674 --> 00:40:55.777
Overwhelmed by the movement and all of the activity, and jesus
00:40:55.777 --> 00:41:00.849
Really spent very little time in jerusalem.
00:41:00.849 --> 00:41:02.684
It's more about the prophets, the kings, and much of
00:41:02.684 --> 00:41:06.154
Biblical history.
00:41:06.154 --> 00:41:07.489
But to be connected to jesus, one must spend the time in the
00:41:07.489 --> 00:41:11.226
Galilee where almost 99% of his ministry took place, and so i
00:41:11.226 --> 00:41:16.698
Always just loved being there and being on the water of the
00:41:16.698 --> 00:41:21.069
Sea of galilee, which is really just a big lake, 14 miles long,
00:41:21.069 --> 00:41:24.739
7 miles wide, it's not a sea at all, it's fresh water, but it's
00:41:24.739 --> 00:41:29.110
Called the sea of galilee.
00:41:29.110 --> 00:41:30.712
But i just love that area.
00:41:30.712 --> 00:41:32.213
O.s. hawkins: so many miracles there.
00:41:32.213 --> 00:41:33.782
You know, in the city of jerusalem, over many of the holy
00:41:33.782 --> 00:41:36.785
Sites there are big churches.
00:41:36.785 --> 00:41:38.553
It's very difficult to build a church over the sea of galilee.
00:41:38.553 --> 00:41:41.590
So, when we're looking at the sea of galilee today and we're
00:41:41.590 --> 00:41:44.793
Seeing the mountains around it, we're seeing the very same site
00:41:44.793 --> 00:41:49.464
That jesus saw when he was there and makes it even that
00:41:49.464 --> 00:41:55.737
More impressive.
00:41:55.737 --> 00:41:57.072
You know, talking about the garden tomb or the church, i
00:41:57.072 --> 00:41:59.341
Remember you mentioned the first time you were here, the first
00:41:59.341 --> 00:42:01.910
Time susie and i came 50 years ago, i remember when we were at
00:42:01.910 --> 00:42:05.380
The garden tomb, had a similar experience that you did, and
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Everyone does who goes there, but i heard someone say, you
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Know, whether it was here or whether it was there, we don't
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Know, he said it's not the cocoon, it's the butterfly that
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Really matters.
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Mike huckabee: oh, wow, beautiful.
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O.s. hawkins: so that's true.
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Is there a scripture verse, for example, ambassador, that might
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Capsulate or define your task that you have here?
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Mike huckabee: i think it is genesis 12:3, there will be--
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God will bless those who bless israel, and he will curse those
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Who curse israel.
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Now, i have many verses of scripture, philippians 4:13 is
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My favorite personal verse that was the transformative verse of
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My life as a teenager, but as far as my job here, my role, my
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Day-to-day activity, it never is lost on me that the united
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States of america should want to have god's blessing, not his
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Curse, and we can have one or the other, but we can't have
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Both, and if we want his blessing, we will bless israel.
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If we don't want his blessing and are willing to accept
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A curse, then we will curse israel.
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We must make the choice.
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O.s. hawkins: you know, i do believe that among evangelicals
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In america, you are probably the most prayed-for person, and i
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Know you and janet feel those prayers, and janet is so much a
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Part of what you're doing here, she is.
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I've never seen anyone pour her life into the calling that god
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Has given you like she has here, and it's so obvious everywhere
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We go how much she is loved here.
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You have so many people that are praying for you every day.
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How can our tbn family, how can we pray for you and janet in
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These really strategic days in which you're called to
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This assignment?
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Mike huckabee: i would say pray that we share the resilience of
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The israeli people, that we will share the resolve, because it's
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A powerful thing to see in them.
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And i pray that god--i will pray the prayer of elisha, give
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Me a double portion of that spirit.
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Give me a double portion of that.
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And i wanna say something about janet.
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You mentioned her earlier about her taking the walk up masada on
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The snake path.
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What people may not fully appreciate is that my wife, who
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Has had both knees replaced, has had a shattered ankle, survived
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Spinal cancer when she was young, and still has deep scar
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Tissue from that, walks with a cane, she walked that snake path
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With a cane with all of her many, many physical challenges.
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I begged her not to do it because i thought this is really
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Not something you should attempt to do, but she made pictures of
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Every hostage and their biographies, and she took a
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Group of our marines from the embassy, they went up masada,
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The snake path.
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Every few steps they would stop, get the picture and the
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Biography, read it, look at the picture, pray for that hostage
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And the family, go a little further, pray for a hostage and
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The family, and made it all the way to the top of the
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Snake path.
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I've not had anywhere near the orthopedic challenges she has,
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I'm not sure i could make it up the snake path walking.
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O.s. hawkins: and i believe that was the first week you all were
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In israel.
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Mike huckabee: it was the first--yeah, maybe the second
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Week, very soon after we came.
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O.s. hawkins: whatever it was, it won the hearts of the israeli
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People and made your job that much easier.
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Mike huckabee: well, it made it very clear that we did not come
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To stand on the sidelines and look at a distance, but we came
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To be a part of this land and its people and to identify with
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Them and to say we're not here to be behind you, we're here to
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Be with you.
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O.s. hawkins: amen, well, i speak for all of us in saying
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How much we love you, and we do look forward in some ways to
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Your tenure being over here so you can get back on trinity with
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Your show that we all love and know.
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As we close, do you have a word about, you know, 2 corinthians
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Chapter 5 verse 20.
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Paul said we are ambassadors for christ, and we implore you for
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Christ's stead, be reconciled to god.
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Do you have a word for our people today about any
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Relationship between you being an ambassador here in israel and
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How we're a call to be ambassadors at home?
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Mike huckabee: well, every believer is an ambassador.
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As you just mentioned, the passage from 2 corinthians is so
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Very true.
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We hear that word, we don't understand what it means.
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An ambassador simply is a person who takes the message of the one
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Who sent them, so an ambassador for christ is not a person who
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Goes out and tells everyone what he thinks, believes, or feels,
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And that's what a lot of people do.
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They say let me tell you what i think, let me tell you what i
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Believe, let me tell you how i feel.
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You know what we've gotta be?
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We've gotta be the people who say it doesn't matter what i
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Think, doesn't matter what i feel, doesn't matter what i
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Believe, what matters is what does god say?
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It's his message that i carry.
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So if it's not what he is saying, i shouldn't say it.
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Ambassador for christ, and every believer is an ambassador, it's
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Not to go tell everyone what you're thinking, it's to tell
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People what god said.
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God's word is true.
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I may think something that's wrong, i may believe something
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That's wrong, i may feel something that's not best, but
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If i communicate the word of the living god, i will be taking the
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Message that he sent me to take.
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O.s. hawkins: amen, thank you, mr. ambassador, it's a joy to be
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With you.
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Mike huckabee: great to be with you, o.s.
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O.s. hawkins: everybody loves you, and we thank--
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Mike huckabee: well, not everybody.
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O.s. hawkins: well, all of us do, and we're praying for you.
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And you know the message of tbn throughout this whole over half
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A century is just what the ambassador just said from that
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Passage in 2 corinthians, where the apostle said we implore you
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In christ's behalf to be reconciled to god.
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That's what tbn is about, bringing you into a personal
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Relationship with god through jesus christ.
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God bless from the great and holy city of jerusalem.
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Mike Huckabee: Beyond the Headlines: Serving the Holy Land | Praise

January 8, 2026 | 50:4

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