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Praise | Sean McNamara: Bau, Artist At War | Praise | September 25, 2025

Coming up tonight on praise.
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This is where miracles happen.
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I'm telling you, i believe in miracles.
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And i want to go in because that's kind of
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My theme of life in battle.
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Bau artist at war.
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It is a miracle that they survived.
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And because they survived,
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They have kids and have now
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Brought on thousands of more people.
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It's a miracle that you cannot point to
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Anything else when you live your life going.
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Let's try to find the miracles.
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They start showing up.
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So when you have that idea
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That miracles are happening all around you
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And that there is more to life than this,
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That's what i want to get across with my movies,
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That there are miracles and you have to seek them out.
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That's what you're going to find in my films,
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And that's why i want to do films about miracles. you.
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Tonight on
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Praise from dallas award winning filmmaker
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And faith based speaker sean mcnamara.
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And now your hosts,
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Matt and laurie crouch.
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Our job today, sean, is to tell a story.
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Okay, you know,
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I think about storytelling a little bit, trying
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Trying to be a storyteller.
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Sean, let's start with you.
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Before we kind of get into
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Exactly what we're going to do, let's, let's tell a little bit
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Of story, a little bit of story of your kind of beginnings
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And i'll say it this way, kind of why you do what you do.
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Where do you want to pick this story up and where are you going
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To put the lens.
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Where are you bringing the camera
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And where are you bringing the audience in on this thing?
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I'm going to pull back 35,000ft and just say,
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My brothers and sisters prayed for a baby brother
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That four years later, after five of them were born,
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They went camping and they prayed and i turned up.
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So that kind of sets the stage and answer the prayer
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Right here.
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That's a great excuse me.
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And they they. yeah.
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They prayed for me, and somehow i showed up and,
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So i had an amazing life.
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You know, mom and dad were teachers.
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I'm the baby of six.
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A great position in the family. you kind of.
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They don't watch you as closely or anything like that.
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And very irish.
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Sean patrick mcnamara.
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So, somewhere along the lines,
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We all went to ireland to to for family vacation.
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Got it. and it was, it was spectacular.
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I kissed the blarney stone.
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I, just had fun.
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I looked at all the graves, the mcnamara's,
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The mclaughlin's, and i'm like, wow, there's a lot of us here.
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This is crazy.
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But it was a fantastic trip to ireland.
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And for some unbeknownst reason, when we were leaving, my dad
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At the shannon airport went and bought me
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A super eight camera, and i hadn't asked for it.
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And it was just like, whatever.
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Okay, that sounds kind of cool, but he gave it to me.
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Maybe he wanted it himself, but by giving it to me,
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That was it.
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So in in the, airport, i opened it up and he had bought
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Two rolls of film, and i popped it in there.
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And i remember my first shots that i ever took
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Was out the window of the airplane
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Taking off, coming back to los angeles.
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So, again, didn't quite know what, how it works, but,
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Few weeks later, got the film back and it's like, wow,
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I took that. that was amazing.
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So, you know, it's the story that we all tell.
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I got all my neighbors, you know, on my block,
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And i would shoot movies, and i had no idea what editing was.
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I would do your two shot, then i'd run to the other side,
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And i'd do a single shot on me, and i'd run to this side.
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We would do terrible things.
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We would, like, pretend we were doing
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A tug of war in front of cars, but there was nothing
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There, and i'd be shooting up watching the car come to a stop,
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And then the kids would run and i'd zoom in on their face.
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And then i just realized there was these little flashes
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And no clue of what that meant.
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I had no concept of editing.
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I just i made it, but what i did is
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I'd make these little films,
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And i would show it to my classmates and,
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Saint finbar in burbank.
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I grew up in burbank, california.
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Beautiful downtown burbank.
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Yeah.
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And, i remember they'd clap at the end of it.
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Where's my stunt man?
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Great, you're here.
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All right.
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You're gonna sit there. you're looking over the ocean.
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And then the ninja warrior comes and then it goes
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It's gonna be great.
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I love it. blake.
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Ninja warrior, take one.
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Action!
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I was just playing. to me, it was just playing
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I just like to tell little stories.
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I didn't know what i was doing, but i got that moment.
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There was something interesting about that.
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So then i would like even try it with my teachers.
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I would go, can i turn into film assignment
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Instead of homework?
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And they'd say, sure, sure, that's great.
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So i'd start making films,
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And i think i even took and shot jesus christ superstar.
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The, the i took the album and then i,
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My sisters were the actresses, and i'd pointed
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And i'd start shooting and they would sing mary magdalene.
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They would just.
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It was just that's all i did, i would do.
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Even then, i was doing faith based face,
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Faith adjacent movies and,
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But at some point i realized
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I really enjoy this aspect of it because in high school
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I would do plays.
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I was like, jesus in godspell, i was burger and hair,
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And i remember all the actors would be,
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Oh, i feel so good up here on the stage.
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Just feels so wonderful. and i felt
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I feel so uncomfortable up here, so nervous.
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But i like watching the guys
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With those big levers and the lights go and go on.
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And that's why i'm so impressed with your studio,
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Because i was going.
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I have that feeling of when you see cool technology
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Come to life.
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That was the coolest feeling in the world.
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But, i decided i much preferred
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Being behind the camera, and it was a decision.
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In high school.
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I even got accepted to usc
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To go into their cinematography department, but i chose.
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I said, nope, i want to go to a school
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Where i can make movies.
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I'm sorry.
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They were going to be
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Into acting at usc,
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But i decided to go
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To loyola marymount university and focus on directing.
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And, so along the way,
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I just loved the process of it.
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And i always say i would do it for free
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Because it's not working to me.
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It's just getting to play point the camera here,
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Getting to travel everywhere to make the movie.
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So that's kind of the young version of it.
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And then, during high school, my friend's dad, marty peseta,
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He was a director.
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He directed the academy awards every year
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And every year, like freshman year,
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I'd say, please get me a meeting with your dad.
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Please get me a meeting with your dad because i want to.
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They would talk about going to monaco.
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They would talk about doing this.
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And they were ads and audio and everything.
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And i'd say
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If i could just get a shot to just
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Go, they would see i have something
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And i clearly didn't know what i was doing.
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But when i did go to college, marty said of finally marty
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Junior got me a meeting with his dad.
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Biggest deal of my life
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I love this, i know i i'm sorry if i'm talking.
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No, i love it, i love it, but i, i, you know, dressed up.
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I went into his beverly hills office
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And he's like, got five phone calls going on.
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He's smoking a cigar saying, yeah, bob hope.
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Yeah, i'll be there on friday. boom.
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Because he's doing all these big shots.
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So he finally looks at me.
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He goes, kid, what what do you do?
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What are you here for?
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And i literally didn't know how to answer the question.
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I wasn't prepared to go, well, this is what i want to do.
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And i said, well, i, i'm in a band.
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I plug in microphones and he goes, audio,
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The audio that's for you.
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And he calls up, johnny had the best audio.
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And he goes, yeah, yeah, i'm the next project. yeah.
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But this kid my, my son's friend. yeah.
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Next thing i know, a black
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Limo drives up to my house, i get on an airplane
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And i'm plugging in microphones for reagan's inauguration.
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So that was my first job in the entertainment industry.
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That was it plugging in microphones.
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And i just remember just standing there being
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Just blown away that i was there and,
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And then along the way, i'm still i'm
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Making films, i'm making student films.
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I'm trying, you know, every angle.
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And even when the gentlemen
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Put my microphone on today, i go, that was me.
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I would plug in those microphones
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And get people set up to do that.
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And i just loved every minute of it.
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I became a pa and they'd throw me their keys
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And say, go wash my car.
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And some people would, you know, not like that.
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I was going to drive a mercedes down hollywood boulevard.
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I'm getting that little,
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You know, back
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When there were no cell phones where they couldn't get you,
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It was the best feeling in the world.
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When i was pouring people's coffee,
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I would say, by the way, i'm a director.
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I would just like, keep,
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You know, whatever anybody asks, i would do it.
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And, the guy he was working for had a brother who had a welding
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Shop, and he goes, you know, here's 500 bucks.
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Would you just make a little card and,
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You know, just throw something together?
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And i was like, okay, can i use these sets?
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And he goes, yeah, sure.
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For free. right? yeah, yeah. and i go, okay.
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And so i
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Went and shot six commercials for his brother's welding shop.
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And i had people,
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You know, like,
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I made it look like flashdance, where they're like
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Welding and sparks are flying everywhere.
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And i remember nobody knew what i was doing.
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I was doing it at night on the stages.
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Nobody knew what i was doing.
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But i showed these
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Six commercials to the brother and the jaw was on the ground.
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What are you doing?
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And i was like, this is what i'm doing.
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And so that was like my first like entree
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Into making something.
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Wow. and then,
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Then it was the strike of like 88 and he goes,
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You know, here's $5,000 and i want you to do something
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For mothers against drunk driving
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And something for the salvation army and special friends
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Of the children. and i said the same thing.
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I go, can i use all these sets on the backlot?
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He goes, yeah.
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And i go, can i use all these 35 millimeter cameras?
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So all the money, the 5000 went to buying film
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And i got all my friends together
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Because now we did 17 psa█s and it was again just like play.
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And i just tried to make them fun.
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And, you know, by that time, music videos had come on.
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And they're the best things in the world
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Because no matter what you do, you're right.
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And, so that was my beginning.
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And then the next thing was somebody gave me 500,000
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To make my first movie, which was hollywood chaos.
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And all along the way,
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All i wanted to do is inspire people.
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I sat there and i go, you know, i went to school,
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I went to church every sunday with my, my family.
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And i go, i don't know how i am, like
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Pushing my vision of the world, but i started to figure out
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Maybe these films could make a difference.
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So if you look at the films i try to make,
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They're all inspirational in nature.
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I try to make something that's,
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You know, that there's hope at the end of it.
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I mean, for me, it was rocky.
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Remember rocky when that came out?
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And i don't know, i the day after i saw it,
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I was jogging outside.
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I didn't want to be a boxer, but i just knew that
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This industry could move you to do something.
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And at that point, i'm a 20 something.
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I don't know what really to do with it.
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I'm learning it along the way.
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But i remember those books, chicken soup for the soul.
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Absolutely.
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So, i mean, i would read those
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And i'd cry like every two pages. and they were great
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Because every chapter was like two pages.
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And i went,
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I wonder if i could do what they do
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Somehow in the movies, like make people moved emotionally
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And to you know, to talk about jesus,
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To talk about god, to talk about giving back somehow. and,
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You know, we've all in this business,
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We have hard times and,
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When i was a kid, my mom used to just say, you
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Know, whatever you give, you get seven times back and,
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You know, be like an obnoxious nine year old.
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I'm like, okay, wait,
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So if i give $100, i'll get $700 back.
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And she would smile and laugh at me.
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But generally, yes, that was the, the the thing.
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And i remember i have used that all through my life.
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There was this time,
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You know, right after i got married that i hadn't
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Had a job in a while. in this business,
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Sometimes there's ups and there's downs and,
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Somebody called me and said,
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Would you come and do some work for the help the homeless?
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Do a little video for the saint joseph center
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And martin sheen is going to be the host.
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And i was like, i have nothing else to do.
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And, i was literally in the apartment
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Going to probably lose that apartment.
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Didn't know i did these videos.
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And in one year
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I signed my first, contract to buy a house.
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And what i realized is, when you go out there
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And put good out into the world, good things come back to you.
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And i just i really believe that.
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So i tell people that i go, just
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Do something, put something good out into the world.
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And, so as we were talking
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About earlier, making movies are a miracle every time.
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Yeah. and i truly believe that.
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And i feel like, you know,
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You have a choice when you look at everything
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To see it as a miracle. you can see the bad stuff.
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That's easy.
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But when you go and you look at a tree,
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Look at a newborn baby, you look at whatever
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There is you, because that's a miracle.
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That's a miracle.
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And i believe that with everything.
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So i'm constantly looking for that.
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And like we've both experienced making movies is a miracle
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Because you've got to get
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Hundreds and hundreds of people to come together,
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Get a good script, a good vision of what
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This story is, get these actors
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Who are available at the same time and make a movie.
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And and it is so challenging, so rewarding.
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But every single time i say that's a miracle.
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I do not speak german.
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You can kiss my ass as you like.
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You did?
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Is this my position of yours?
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Named joseph. but.
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Why are you your new mapmaker commandant?
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Then you could be of service.
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Unfortunate for you.
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Is it possible to change my seat?
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How does this work?
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I'm waiting for the sunshine.
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Looks like you might have a problem.
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Maybe you can be my sunshine.
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I met the most wonderful woman for being my sunshine.
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Only you yourself could find something
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Like that in a place like this.
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I see you,
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You take care of everybody.
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But who takes care of you?
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Was a long, long answer.
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If we do our work, maybe we can survive this madness
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And tell our story.
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We can't stand the main rebecca tenenbaum.
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No, i
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Do not see, however, life her embrace,
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Share with people say
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However,
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I'm afraid not forever is,
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I'm just trying to give people hope.
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If you want justice, you're going to have to survive.
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Don't let them really go.
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There's some things that they can't take from us.
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Laughter, joy, our spirits.
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I around.
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Us this time.
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Thank you. chris.
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You folks inform me if that ever changes.
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I'd like to catalog a moment
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Because a few minutes ago, you said something.
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And, one day, laurie and i have a couple of
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Pet projects that we want to. and.
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And you said you would direct it for free.
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So i'm gonna hold him for that.
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I also at some point that i certainly.
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So my sisters always say that.
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But i say that a lot because i,
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I'm so passionate about loving what you do.
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So, one day when we're making paradise lost,
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He has to do it for free.
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So, by the way, i relate to a lot
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Of what you're talking about because of my mom.
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And dad told me that i put socks on my hands
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And did puppet shows over the back seat of the car.
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Yeah, to interrupt their arguing if they were arguing
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Or fussing.
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My job as the
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Temperature control, you know, peacemaker in the family.
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I would create characters, voices.
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I would put socks on my hands and create shows
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To try to interrupt,
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You know, arguments or fussing or any of that kind of stuff.
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So the idea that i had an eight millimeter camera
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When i was young, we're roughly the same age
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We might have been shooting
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Some of the same kinds of things at the same time. and,
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The difference is
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I was being raised in a television family
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That now
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There's a lot to do in the administrative side of what?
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And you got to go into the pure creative side.
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Directing is the top, job in any kind of scripted content,
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And a movie usually is good
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Or bad based upon, the vision of the director.
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And so the responsibility of storytelling
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Is on your shoulders, and you've done an amazing job.
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Let's jump forward, let's say, to soul surfer
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Or reagan or some of these other films now,
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And what we're really here today to talk about today's
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Thursday, september 25th,
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We didn't have much of a summer here in dallas.
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It's been green all summer,
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And there's been a lot of rain and and all of that today.
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In limited locations.
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And there's information on the screen where you can see
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Where the film is actually playing today.
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But tomorrow, the 26th, friday
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The 26th, a brand new movie bau artist
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At war, is going to be premiering.
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It's,
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Nationwide limited, nationwide.
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So go to the screen finder and see where it's playing
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In your area.
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And we want to we want to get to beau, a love story
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Set inside of the holocaust of tragic situation
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And hope and love and beauty inside of a horrible situation.
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We'll get to that.
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But make a jump from,
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You know, getting your friends and family to be in front of
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Your eight millimeter camera to all of a sudden now
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Theatrically released studio films.
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That's quite a jump.
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Take us on set with,
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You know, some of the moments of of soul surfer, let's say,
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Because a lot of our audience
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Saw that very commercially successful film,
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What was that like? what?
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What were what where were you,
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Kind of along your journey during that time?
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So soul surfer, i made a few films, before that.
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I've done some disney shows, some films along the way.
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And i was in hawaii doing a tv series when,
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Bethany's manager walked up
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And gave me the book of soul surfer
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And said, we'd like to make this into a movie.
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And i read it and it was like 200
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Pages written by bethany hamilton.
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And that's when this would make a great movie.
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This would be fantastic.
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And the same thing it took six years to get.
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Is that because from raising money,
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There was the big 28 drop
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That the investors fell out there back in.
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And all of that stuff.
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But i learned a couple of things.
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I feel the right time for a movie is his plan, not ours.
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I really, truly believe that
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Because i go, had we done it originally,
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It would have been on nickelodeon,
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Would have just been a small nickelodeon movie of the week.
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But instead the timing went on and,
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We found the right investors and somehow
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We moved to the point of in 2010, we were there, in,
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Hawaii, literally writing the script
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And getting this thing
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Ready to make. and this was my first, like,
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Official faith based movie night.
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And it was very interesting because i always wanted to
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I used to pray to god.
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I used to just say, god, just give me a family movie.
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Just something, because it's so impossible.
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But i go, i don't want anything big.
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Just make it have to make a lot of money.
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It's just got to be that somebody like, goes to see it.
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That would be fine. like that.
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Like be real or something.
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So i sat down with,
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Rich peluso, who works at a firm films for sony,
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And he was explaining to me how you make a christian film
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Because i was, you know, talking about rocky.
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And i said, please, let's, let's do this for the masses.
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People love surfing and we'll make it really pretty.
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And he was saying, well, this is a very interesting thing
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Because there's the christian audience,
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Which can be narrow but very deep,
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And they would want to see this.
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But if you go to mainstream, they may not want to see this.
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So i said,
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Just teach me what to do and let's try to aim for both.
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So that's kind of what we did together.
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And i remember we,
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Found ourselves out on the set
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And i had learned how to shoot surfing.
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I had, like, one camera guy in the water.
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I had one on the back of a jet
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Ski and one with a long lens on the beach.
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So i figured out, like,
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The technical things, how to make it dynamic.
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But i remember
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We did this scene right after she was attacked from the shark
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And her dad was sitting next to me.
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The whole family
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Came to the set every day, including bethany,
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And she would be directing the actors.
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I remember
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We were sitting in kind of mortified when i met her.
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I met her in a tent, in a church in hawaii,
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And it was up in a hill and stuff like that.
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So i said,
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Do you mind if i just take this
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And i'll put the tent down on the beach?
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And, so we did, and we shot that opening scene on the beach
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Because i just thought it was, beautiful.
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And carrie underwood is up there singing,
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But bethany would look at the extras and say,
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You guys look like you're at a funeral.
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Come on, you got to smile.
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Just be happy here.
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And she was great because she was motivating them,
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And i just i just love that.
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But as soon as we made it and we were doing the scene
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Where she actually got that and we had a prosthetic on our
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Actress's arm and we're shooting blood up and stuff like that.
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And i remember just like looking at her father and going,
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You know, for me, this is a movie for them.
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This is their baby daughter's life being told.
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And i went, wow, i have to never forget, you know,
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That i'm also doing true stories that happen to real people.
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Yeah.
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And, and that they they were amazing.
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They, you know, they definitely have their ideas
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Of what really happened, what didn't happen.
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I always was saying
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60,000 events happened since the attack.
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We have the chance to tell like 50 or 60 of them.
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So we have to adjust scenes.
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And they they understood that.
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We, we figured out how to do that.
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But it was
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It was a spiritual beginning for me,
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Because when it did come out and it did relatively well,
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I mean, it's weird. i live in this world sometimes.
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Half the critics hate it and half the critics like it.
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And i just kind of live there and i go, what else can i do?
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I have to live there.
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But i was, i was going, we're reaching people.
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We're reaching people of faith who love jesus.
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In a film
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Where they go to the movies and they can connect to surfing.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So i was like, and it was relatively successful.
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So i went, this is something i like.
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I would like to do more of these.
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And that has been my journey.
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You know, and
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Along the way i did, spare parts,
00:23:48.183 --> 00:23:51.386
The miracle season and, you know, it got more intense
00:23:51.386 --> 00:23:54.623
With miracle season with the volleyball film.
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Yeah.
00:23:56.725 --> 00:23:57.659
And, the little girl dies in that film.
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So now imagine meeting with the real father.
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And i remember, like, crying in his hometown,
00:24:02.430 --> 00:24:04.900
Just the two men, like, you know, sitting out there.
00:24:04.900 --> 00:24:06.868
But when i started to go, this is real loss.
00:24:06.868 --> 00:24:09.404
And i went, this film becomes even more important
00:24:09.404 --> 00:24:11.706
For people to see when there's loss, that
00:24:11.706 --> 00:24:13.608
You could go to the movies and, like, escape for a little bit.
00:24:13.608 --> 00:24:16.511
Yeah.
00:24:16.511 --> 00:24:17.445
But with an inspirational feeling to go.
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There is more going to happen afterwards.
00:24:18.613 --> 00:24:21.349
So it's, i remember a moment on that film where,
00:24:21.349 --> 00:24:24.819
The father came to the set.
00:24:25.420 --> 00:24:27.188
We were shooting it up in vancouver,
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And there's our actress in the number nine uniform,
00:24:28.990 --> 00:24:32.227
And he just stood there and they hugged for ten minutes.
00:24:32.227 --> 00:24:34.663
Wow. and we all just got silent and just let him,
00:24:34.663 --> 00:24:36.898
I mean, it was just
00:24:36.898 --> 00:24:38.533
It was so raw, and it was so real and it was,
00:24:38.533 --> 00:24:41.403
You know, and again, we made a film
00:24:41.403 --> 00:24:43.138
That hopefully was inspirational by the end of it to show,
00:24:43.138 --> 00:24:46.808
You know, he has a plan.
00:24:46.808 --> 00:24:48.043
We don't always know or agree
00:24:48.043 --> 00:24:49.511
With it when it happens, but afterwards,
00:24:49.511 --> 00:24:52.347
You know, you watch this story, there's a cathartic feeling.
00:24:52.347 --> 00:24:54.983
And i just when that film came out again,
00:24:54.983 --> 00:24:57.285
It just kept me on this journey
00:24:57.285 --> 00:24:58.620
Of wanting to make faith based, faith adjacent movies,
00:24:58.620 --> 00:25:02.457
Which then, you know, brought it brought me to reagan again,
00:25:02.457 --> 00:25:05.760
Which is so interesting that your first job
00:25:05.760 --> 00:25:08.029
In the industry is plugging up microphones at reagan
00:25:08.029 --> 00:25:12.033
Inauguration. yes.
00:25:12.033 --> 00:25:13.868
So you're plugging up microphones
00:25:13.868 --> 00:25:16.137
40 years later, 40 years later, you're directing.
00:25:16.137 --> 00:25:19.541
Yeah. movie.
00:25:19.541 --> 00:25:21.576
A lot of our
00:25:21.876 --> 00:25:23.044
Audience saw reagan, and what a what an amazing film.
00:25:23.044 --> 00:25:27.182
I, you know, i had a little bit of an inside track,
00:25:27.182 --> 00:25:31.786
With one of your producers, and
00:25:32.454 --> 00:25:34.990
And so i was following along, and you had tons of trouble,
00:25:34.990 --> 00:25:41.262
Covid related things all the way through.
00:25:42.063 --> 00:25:45.533
You get this thing done.
00:25:45.533 --> 00:25:46.701
It had to feel like you were in a, you know, prize fight
00:25:46.701 --> 00:25:50.071
That finally got that film ready to go.
00:25:50.071 --> 00:25:53.742
And interestingly, it premiered
00:25:53.742 --> 00:25:56.611
And there was one of the screenings with 300 people
00:25:56.611 --> 00:25:59.748
In this building in the studio next door,
00:25:59.748 --> 00:26:03.351
The big the bigger studio,
00:26:03.351 --> 00:26:04.919
That it's a pretty good sized studio,
00:26:04.919 --> 00:26:06.388
But there's a bigger one behind us here.
00:26:06.388 --> 00:26:08.790
And we actually premiered that.
00:26:08.790 --> 00:26:11.192
I came in one time and nine in the morning.
00:26:11.192 --> 00:26:13.928
There was, you know, 350 people in the next studio
00:26:13.928 --> 00:26:17.032
Over here watching reagan on the our big volume studio there.
00:26:17.032 --> 00:26:21.102
And what a blessing to be able to work with dennis quaid.
00:26:21.102 --> 00:26:23.271
I'd actually worked with him on soul surfer,
00:26:23.271 --> 00:26:25.707
And he agreed to play reagan. not quickly.
00:26:25.707 --> 00:26:27.776
It was a slow,
00:26:27.776 --> 00:26:28.777
We took a year or so to get him to that place
00:26:28.777 --> 00:26:31.613
Because he was just nervous.
00:26:31.613 --> 00:26:32.514
He was he did not want to blow it.
00:26:32.514 --> 00:26:34.082
He loved reagan.
00:26:34.082 --> 00:26:34.849
He wanted to do it the best.
00:26:34.849 --> 00:26:37.118
But to have him there on the set every day.
00:26:37.118 --> 00:26:40.155
And my gosh, he's such a talented actor.
00:26:40.155 --> 00:26:43.091
When you get to work with great actors,
00:26:43.091 --> 00:26:45.193
I mean, you say like, what is a director do?
00:26:45.193 --> 00:26:46.695
And i go, i just kind of sit them on the set and,
00:26:46.695 --> 00:26:49.431
You know, press the camera to say, go, let's do it.
00:26:49.431 --> 00:26:52.467
And they bring their gold every single day to the set.
00:26:52.467 --> 00:26:55.070
And he's just he is so talented. and,
00:26:55.070 --> 00:26:58.006
There was i remember on the first day we,
00:26:58.907 --> 00:27:01.276
We had built the oval office in a huge theater
00:27:01.276 --> 00:27:04.746
And so i'm sitting behind the monitor and going, and i'm we've
00:27:04.746 --> 00:27:08.116
Kind of talked about the accent.
00:27:08.116 --> 00:27:09.350
We didn't want to go to saturday night live
00:27:09.350 --> 00:27:11.386
And but we didn't want to go caricature something.
00:27:11.386 --> 00:27:13.855
And he starts coming out with clinton's accent
00:27:13.855 --> 00:27:16.091
Because he had done a movie as clint.
00:27:16.091 --> 00:27:19.060
I'm like, wrong movie.
00:27:19.060 --> 00:27:20.395
Yes, he was doing it as a joke.
00:27:20.395 --> 00:27:22.630
I wish i could find the details that.
00:27:22.630 --> 00:27:24.666
But he was just it was just great.
00:27:24.666 --> 00:27:27.135
And he, he just became the part.
00:27:27.135 --> 00:27:29.671
In fact, on the speeches, you know, we wrote in the script
00:27:29.671 --> 00:27:32.340
Just little bits and pieces of reagan's speeches.
00:27:32.340 --> 00:27:35.110
He'd say, give me the whole speech,
00:27:35.110 --> 00:27:37.345
Give me the whole youtube thing.
00:27:37.345 --> 00:27:38.847
And he would study the whole thing,
00:27:38.847 --> 00:27:39.948
And he would actually say the whole speech.
00:27:39.948 --> 00:27:42.350
You know, sometimes we'd have it on teleprompter,
00:27:42.350 --> 00:27:44.119
Sometimes we wouldn't. but he was that into it.
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.755
And i think it just made he became that person.
00:27:46.755 --> 00:27:50.625
He became ronald reagan, he became dutch reagan.
00:27:50.625 --> 00:27:52.827
He was that guy.
00:27:52.827 --> 00:27:54.028
And i just
00:27:54.028 --> 00:27:55.196
What an actor that goes that far to just get it right.
00:27:55.196 --> 00:27:58.333
And i want to say something about the direction on
00:27:58.333 --> 00:28:02.804
The reagan movie, because, look, there's a historical record.
00:28:02.804 --> 00:28:06.975
I love the choice that you made to kind of tell the story
00:28:06.975 --> 00:28:10.345
Through a russian spy, jon voight.
00:28:10.345 --> 00:28:12.380
And, you know, that's a that's that's a choice
00:28:12.380 --> 00:28:15.617
That a director and the producers get to make.
00:28:15.617 --> 00:28:18.853
But let me tell you what what matters is,
00:28:18.853 --> 00:28:22.957
What matters to me is what you feel like
00:28:22.957 --> 00:28:26.828
Or what emotion you take away from a film.
00:28:26.828 --> 00:28:30.999
And, sean, you got that right. yeah.
00:28:30.999 --> 00:28:33.001
That was the most emotional ending.
00:28:33.001 --> 00:28:35.804
Yeah.
00:28:35.804 --> 00:28:36.738
Because remember, you're telling a story
00:28:36.738 --> 00:28:39.507
That had a lot of
00:28:39.941 --> 00:28:42.644
I mean, he's a big historical figure, one of the one of the
00:28:42.644 --> 00:28:46.281
Dealing with one of the biggest things
00:28:47.115 --> 00:28:48.616
In the history of our lifetime, which is the cold war.
00:28:48.616 --> 00:28:52.787
Right.
00:28:52.787 --> 00:28:53.788
And and so there, there there could be some
00:28:53.788 --> 00:28:57.826
That says that that was
00:28:57.826 --> 00:28:59.260
Almost a narrative piece, but then all of a sudden,
00:28:59.260 --> 00:29:03.198
What you did is you started dialing up the drama
00:29:03.198 --> 00:29:07.135
And you dialed it up and you ended on that scene
00:29:07.135 --> 00:29:10.572
Where he's, you know, writing, you know, and oh my god.
00:29:10.572 --> 00:29:14.509
And, you know, it was power flee.
00:29:14.509 --> 00:29:17.946
Done.
00:29:18.179 --> 00:29:19.080
And that's what a director does. yeah.
00:29:19.080 --> 00:29:21.115
You know, a director makes you feel a certain way,
00:29:21.115 --> 00:29:25.186
Either in the opening inciting incident
00:29:25.186 --> 00:29:28.823
Shock or whiplash of an inciting incident,
00:29:28.823 --> 00:29:32.894
Or you leave us with this very emotional thing and,
00:29:32.894 --> 00:29:38.099
You know, good on you on that.
00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:39.734
That was a very well done,
00:29:39.734 --> 00:29:42.737
Kind of climax or emotional climax to the film.
00:29:42.737 --> 00:29:46.074
And by the way,
00:29:46.074 --> 00:29:48.443
You know, i say this
00:29:48.877 --> 00:29:50.478
As a compliment,
00:29:50.478 --> 00:29:51.813
And you were able to let that saturate long enough
00:29:51.813 --> 00:29:56.484
To really go deep inside of people.
00:29:56.484 --> 00:29:59.387
I've, i watched the movie one time,
00:29:59.387 --> 00:30:02.690
And i went to the producer.
00:30:02.690 --> 00:30:05.059
I was in a screening and i was in a small, small room.
00:30:05.059 --> 00:30:09.864
And i was one to 1 or 2 of us were there watching this film
00:30:09.864 --> 00:30:13.768
For the purpose of tbn promoting it.
00:30:13.768 --> 00:30:16.971
And i walked up to the producer and i said,
00:30:16.971 --> 00:30:20.508
This movie wins an award.
00:30:20.508 --> 00:30:23.978
And i mean, you're number one,
00:30:24.612 --> 00:30:27.282
But you're not going to like what you're number one in.
00:30:27.282 --> 00:30:30.451
And he said, tell me, tell me.
00:30:30.451 --> 00:30:32.387
And i said, you, you were at your ending scene.
00:30:32.387 --> 00:30:37.058
The emotion was climbing up inside of me.
00:30:37.058 --> 00:30:40.395
It was right here.
00:30:40.395 --> 00:30:42.230
The next thing that would have
00:30:42.230 --> 00:30:43.598
Happened is, is tears would have been flowing
00:30:43.598 --> 00:30:47.602
And you cut off when the emotion got right here.
00:30:47.602 --> 00:30:51.439
You win the award of
00:30:51.439 --> 00:30:52.941
Getting me closest to a complete emotional meltdown
00:30:52.941 --> 00:30:57.045
And letting me off the hook about ten seconds too early.
00:30:57.045 --> 00:31:00.481
You know what he said to me?
00:31:01.049 --> 00:31:02.450
He said i fought everybody.
00:31:03.051 --> 00:31:05.954
It was 15 seconds longer before this cut.
00:31:05.954 --> 00:31:10.591
And i said, listen to me.
00:31:10.591 --> 00:31:12.393
Put that 15 seconds back
00:31:12.393 --> 00:31:14.195
And you're going to
00:31:14.195 --> 00:31:15.229
Melt people down in their seats in a good way.
00:31:15.229 --> 00:31:18.032
And whether they did or didn't i?
00:31:18.032 --> 00:31:20.101
I lost track of it at that point.
00:31:20.101 --> 00:31:21.736
But that's what a director does.
00:31:21.736 --> 00:31:24.105
You have to feel that stuff.
00:31:24.105 --> 00:31:26.774
You have to be willing to engage in it.
00:31:26.774 --> 00:31:29.310
You have to be the one to tell the story,
00:31:29.310 --> 00:31:32.146
And you've done that for an amazing career.
00:31:32.146 --> 00:31:50.131
You. make it then.
00:31:50.565 --> 00:31:56.237
And however long forever is.
00:31:56.237 --> 00:32:01.109
Share with me.
00:32:01.476 --> 00:32:17.558
I think you're crazy for me,
00:32:18.126 --> 00:32:20.628
If that ever changes,
00:32:20.628 --> 00:32:24.098
I'm afraid it's going to be
00:32:24.699 --> 00:32:25.900
A very short engagement.
00:32:25.900 --> 00:32:29.737
In fact,
00:32:29.971 --> 00:32:31.572
I've already sent out invitations.
00:32:31.572 --> 00:32:56.464
So you.
00:32:56.731 --> 00:33:03.104
A woman, but i have.
00:33:03.538 --> 00:33:04.839
I would have a harder time sneaking in.
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:06.674
You know he's not this pretty. is.
00:33:06.674 --> 00:33:10.812
Some may argue, some,
00:33:11.312 --> 00:33:14.015
Rain.
00:33:14.015 --> 00:33:15.383
Having kisame castle.
00:33:15.383 --> 00:33:18.619
It's you.
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:20.154
Meghan?
00:33:20.154 --> 00:33:20.888
It, me getting my true
00:33:20.888 --> 00:33:25.093
Heart that nine miss america.
00:33:25.093 --> 00:33:30.231
Yeah.
00:33:30.465 --> 00:33:30.832
I love.
00:33:30.832 --> 00:33:33.868
We're going to switch to bow.
00:33:34.502 --> 00:33:36.604
I was in israel not long ago.
00:33:36.604 --> 00:33:40.074
It was an interesting thing.
00:33:40.641 --> 00:33:42.110
I landed in israel with laurie, one of my sons on,
00:33:42.110 --> 00:33:47.215
And my phone rang.
00:33:47.648 --> 00:33:50.384
This is,
00:33:50.384 --> 00:33:52.954
What, three months ago?
00:33:52.954 --> 00:33:53.888
Four months ago,
00:33:53.888 --> 00:33:55.623
Something like that.
00:33:55.623 --> 00:33:57.391
We land in israel. yeah.
00:33:57.391 --> 00:33:59.393
And my phone rang sitting on board the airplane.
00:33:59.393 --> 00:34:02.830
My phone rang.
00:34:03.197 --> 00:34:04.065
I just turned it on.
00:34:04.065 --> 00:34:05.566
We're now taxiing in israel, and when it came on,
00:34:05.566 --> 00:34:10.438
It went.
00:34:10.671 --> 00:34:13.207
And the ambassador from the united states, mike huckabee,
00:34:13.207 --> 00:34:17.778
Said, matt, where are you?
00:34:18.346 --> 00:34:21.315
Have you gotten on board your plane yet?
00:34:21.315 --> 00:34:23.684
Are you here? if you're here, call me.
00:34:23.684 --> 00:34:26.587
If you're here and i'm getting all these. right.
00:34:26.587 --> 00:34:29.023
Where are you right now?
00:34:29.023 --> 00:34:30.892
If you're here, leave. leave now.
00:34:30.892 --> 00:34:34.095
Oh my gosh.
00:34:34.095 --> 00:34:35.496
So four months ago, there was a time in israel's
00:34:35.496 --> 00:34:39.734
History when iran and israel were trading blows.
00:34:39.734 --> 00:34:43.938
And there was the were on the brink of,
00:34:43.938 --> 00:34:46.440
They were at least in a limited war.
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.643
We landed when mike huckabee, said,
00:34:48.643 --> 00:34:52.914
I'm going to my private shelter as ambassador.
00:34:52.914 --> 00:34:57.118
You need to leave or you're going to be stuck here.
00:34:57.118 --> 00:34:59.687
Sure enough, we turned around, got out.
00:34:59.687 --> 00:35:02.990
About six hours later, we were out.
00:35:02.990 --> 00:35:06.360
I was headed to the battle museum.
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.664
That's where i was going.
00:35:09.664 --> 00:35:11.499
We were going to be doing television with mike.
00:35:11.499 --> 00:35:13.534
We're going to be doing some other interviews there.
00:35:13.534 --> 00:35:15.770
And i got turned around.
00:35:15.770 --> 00:35:18.239
But what i had
00:35:18.606 --> 00:35:19.941
Been introduced to is your film, bo artist at war.
00:35:19.941 --> 00:35:23.744
Bo is a is a very famous person in israel
00:35:23.744 --> 00:35:27.782
That lived through the holocaust because of his ability
00:35:27.782 --> 00:35:31.719
To find hope in a tragic situation.
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:34.822
Okay.
00:35:34.822 --> 00:35:36.257
Our audience,
00:35:36.257 --> 00:35:38.793
May be hearing about this.
00:35:38.793 --> 00:35:40.795
And by the way, it it's in certain theaters today.
00:35:40.795 --> 00:35:45.499
Thursday the 25th of september.
00:35:45.499 --> 00:35:47.835
Tomorrow it opens wider friday.
00:35:47.835 --> 00:35:50.504
So information on how you can see it and
00:35:50.504 --> 00:35:54.842
Sean, how did you get introduced to this story?
00:35:55.776 --> 00:35:59.413
Walk us through this, because this is,
00:35:59.413 --> 00:36:02.383
This is an important film.
00:36:02.383 --> 00:36:04.518
There are a lot of people that are going through something
00:36:04.518 --> 00:36:09.523
Horrible in their life, and this film is
00:36:09.523 --> 00:36:14.629
One of the most amazing ways to find some way to live
00:36:14.629 --> 00:36:20.368
And some way to survive inside of,
00:36:20.368 --> 00:36:23.437
You know, maybe our
00:36:23.904 --> 00:36:25.072
Generations or even our previous generations.
00:36:25.072 --> 00:36:28.209
Most horrible event,
00:36:28.643 --> 00:36:29.944
You know, in the in the last 500 years or longer.
00:36:29.944 --> 00:36:32.980
And so how did you get involved in this?
00:36:32.980 --> 00:36:36.851
And this is this is pretty tough stuff.
00:36:36.851 --> 00:36:39.720
This had to start working inside of you in a way that,
00:36:39.720 --> 00:36:43.891
Undoubtedly changed you.
00:36:44.392 --> 00:36:46.827
Maybe forever was very interesting.
00:36:46.827 --> 00:36:50.331
You know, growing up a christian,
00:36:50.331 --> 00:36:51.966
I every
00:36:51.966 --> 00:36:53.134
Summer would go to san diego and, visit my grandparents.
00:36:53.134 --> 00:36:56.971
We just did that because my parents were teachers
00:36:56.971 --> 00:36:58.673
And a principal,
00:36:58.673 --> 00:36:59.874
And, there was a jewish family
00:36:59.874 --> 00:37:01.642
That lived right next door to us.
00:37:01.642 --> 00:37:03.077
And there was, like, a kid equal to all of our ages.
00:37:03.077 --> 00:37:05.579
And greg rodon was my age, and we paddled around and my sisters
00:37:05.579 --> 00:37:09.350
And i remember we had the best time just
00:37:09.350 --> 00:37:11.285
I would go to bar mitzvahs, about mitzvahs, the weddings
00:37:11.285 --> 00:37:14.188
And all of that stuff.
00:37:14.188 --> 00:37:15.222
But i remember one day when i was like,
00:37:15.222 --> 00:37:17.024
I don't know, 9 or 10 years old.
00:37:17.024 --> 00:37:18.592
Bubba was there.
00:37:18.592 --> 00:37:19.660
Their grandma and i saw these numbers on her arm
00:37:19.660 --> 00:37:23.397
And i was like, oh, what are those numbers?
00:37:23.397 --> 00:37:24.565
And my mom is like, she she said, dance like.
00:37:24.565 --> 00:37:26.334
She was like,
00:37:26.334 --> 00:37:27.401
You know, a kid, like, i don't know, like tattoos
00:37:27.401 --> 00:37:29.270
Back in the, you know, 70s was not that big a thing there.
00:37:29.270 --> 00:37:32.673
So something stuck in my head.
00:37:32.673 --> 00:37:34.608
So when mark and michelle,
00:37:34.608 --> 00:37:36.944
Griffith brought me this script written by,
00:37:36.944 --> 00:37:39.413
Deborah schmidt, nick,
00:37:39.413 --> 00:37:40.815
I read it, and i went, it's not that.
00:37:41.649 --> 00:37:44.719
It's just an incredible love story.
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:46.520
And it is an incredible love story.
00:37:46.520 --> 00:37:48.856
But he was a jokester.
00:37:48.856 --> 00:37:49.957
He made light of everything.
00:37:49.957 --> 00:37:51.425
He made people laugh in the worst situations.
00:37:51.425 --> 00:37:53.661
He was like a modern day robin williams who would say,
00:37:53.661 --> 00:37:55.996
Like, inappropriate things at the wrong time.
00:37:55.996 --> 00:37:58.699
But when you can make somebody laugh,
00:37:58.699 --> 00:38:00.234
That's just a little bit of joy.
00:38:00.234 --> 00:38:02.036
And that was what struck me about this, script.
00:38:02.036 --> 00:38:04.839
So, and then i read joseph bower's book.
00:38:04.839 --> 00:38:07.775
He actually wrote the book.
00:38:07.775 --> 00:38:09.377
And in the book was he's he's an artist.
00:38:09.377 --> 00:38:12.380
He has thousands of artists
00:38:12.380 --> 00:38:13.848
And charcoal drawings and watercolors and canvas, oils.
00:38:13.848 --> 00:38:18.419
But in the book is
00:38:18.419 --> 00:38:19.520
His charcoal drawings that he did during the war.
00:38:19.520 --> 00:38:22.356
And i was like, they're moving me.
00:38:22.356 --> 00:38:25.259
I don't know how they spoke to me.
00:38:25.259 --> 00:38:26.394
They're right in a paperback book. i'm looking at these.
00:38:26.394 --> 00:38:28.462
So with the script and these paintings, i was
00:38:28.462 --> 00:38:30.531
I was going, i think we have something here
00:38:30.531 --> 00:38:33.300
With a love story.
00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:34.568
And he was a forger.
00:38:34.568 --> 00:38:36.270
He was part of the resistance.
00:38:36.270 --> 00:38:38.305
And, but outwardly he would joke around inappropriately.
00:38:38.305 --> 00:38:42.076
He would say funny things.
00:38:42.076 --> 00:38:42.977
So you're laughing all the time.
00:38:42.977 --> 00:38:45.279
And what i found
00:38:45.279 --> 00:38:46.547
When i, you know, interviewed survivors is when you could find
00:38:46.547 --> 00:38:49.183
Some sort of joy, some sort of light
00:38:49.183 --> 00:38:51.585
That was important.
00:38:51.585 --> 00:38:52.686
So one of the first jobs
00:38:52.686 --> 00:38:54.321
The commandant made him do was he had this talent.
00:38:54.321 --> 00:38:56.724
He could do maps. it kept him alive.
00:38:56.724 --> 00:38:58.726
So he would draw the maps and he'd say, that's great.
00:38:58.726 --> 00:39:01.128
I need like five of those maps by the night.
00:39:01.128 --> 00:39:03.230
And he goes, well, no, like, the sun's not out, i need you.
00:39:03.230 --> 00:39:05.566
He pulls a gun on him and says, okay, i'll get him done.
00:39:05.566 --> 00:39:08.436
So when he's outside and he's,
00:39:08.436 --> 00:39:10.204
You know, done all the stuff they did, the sun's not there.
00:39:10.204 --> 00:39:13.874
And rebecca comes up to him
00:39:13.874 --> 00:39:16.110
And he goes, would you be my sunshine?
00:39:16.110 --> 00:39:17.845
And he's like, because that was his way of flirting back then.
00:39:17.845 --> 00:39:21.182
And you know, his mom's
00:39:21.182 --> 00:39:22.416
Going like, only you could find love in a place like this,
00:39:22.416 --> 00:39:23.951
Like all of this stuff, these one liners.
00:39:23.951 --> 00:39:25.986
But it made me laugh and it made me find a way in,
00:39:25.986 --> 00:39:29.723
Because most people, even when i was,
00:39:29.723 --> 00:39:31.492
You know, raising the money to make this,
00:39:31.492 --> 00:39:32.860
Who wants to see a movie about that time of history?
00:39:32.860 --> 00:39:36.330
Who wants to see that?
00:39:36.330 --> 00:39:37.598
And i went, when you see this movie, you'll feel differently
00:39:37.598 --> 00:39:40.134
Because he brings hope, he brings joy.
00:39:40.134 --> 00:39:43.137
And, so whilst he's there, he, used his forgery skills.
00:39:43.137 --> 00:39:48.375
And, you know,
00:39:48.375 --> 00:39:49.477
When a german, would die, he would get their name
00:39:49.477 --> 00:39:52.313
And he would forge their passports,
00:39:52.313 --> 00:39:53.848
They would smuggle the people out,
00:39:53.848 --> 00:39:55.416
And they got them to freedom.
00:39:55.416 --> 00:39:56.650
He saved over 1100 people.
00:39:56.650 --> 00:39:59.320
But then he fell in love and everybody keep kept it a secret.
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:02.289
He and rebecca got married.
00:40:02.289 --> 00:40:03.624
And if you've seen schindler's list by steven spielberg,
00:40:03.624 --> 00:40:06.293
One of the best films ever made,
00:40:06.293 --> 00:40:08.095
There's a little wedding in there.
00:40:08.095 --> 00:40:09.363
So my story is just those two characters with the wedding,
00:40:09.363 --> 00:40:13.133
I guess.
00:40:13.367 --> 00:40:14.301
So that's that's what drew me to joseph bo.
00:40:14.301 --> 00:40:16.971
And and he would just make me laugh.
00:40:16.971 --> 00:40:18.672
And when you
00:40:18.672 --> 00:40:19.974
When we were on the set, it was, you know,
00:40:19.974 --> 00:40:22.109
You're the first time when you're like,
00:40:22.109 --> 00:40:23.244
Joking about certain, you know, things.
00:40:23.244 --> 00:40:25.846
And the people on the set started laughing too.
00:40:25.846 --> 00:40:27.915
And i went, okay, it seems to be working
00:40:27.915 --> 00:40:29.416
Because you don't know if you're going to get it right.
00:40:29.416 --> 00:40:30.718
You can test makeup and hair, but is the tone of this movie
00:40:30.718 --> 00:40:34.488
Going to work?
00:40:34.488 --> 00:40:35.422
And that didn't i didn't really know it
00:40:35.422 --> 00:40:36.557
Until we started putting it in front of audiences.
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This nightmare.
00:40:39.827 --> 00:40:42.863
I don't know how to stop it,
00:40:42.863 --> 00:40:44.865
But you do.
00:40:44.865 --> 00:40:47.401
You do. you.
00:40:47.401 --> 00:40:50.437
You are the magician.
00:40:50.938 --> 00:40:53.908
Three make that one.
00:40:53.908 --> 00:40:55.509
We all look to who
00:40:55.509 --> 00:40:58.746
Whenever it's gone called.
00:40:58.746 --> 00:41:00.915
You have brought it back to life.
00:41:00.915 --> 00:41:05.119
I know because.
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.589
You did it for me.
00:41:09.023 --> 00:41:13.527
Don't let them take that from me.
00:41:14.295 --> 00:41:18.232
What? it's
00:41:18.532 --> 00:41:20.434
Already gone. was.
00:41:20.434 --> 00:41:22.169
It was never real to begin with.
00:41:22.169 --> 00:41:24.104
And i was just fooling myself.
00:41:24.104 --> 00:41:27.508
And you fooled me too.
00:41:27.508 --> 00:41:32.112
So keep pretending.
00:41:32.580 --> 00:41:36.150
In here.
00:41:36.383 --> 00:41:39.286
We got three.
00:41:39.286 --> 00:41:43.257
You taught me that.
00:41:43.724 --> 00:41:51.665
Do you hear that?
00:41:52.099 --> 00:42:00.207
Those violins.
00:42:00.574 --> 00:42:28.602
Shall we dance?
00:42:29.003 --> 00:42:52.760
I want to say something about what you just said.
00:42:53.794 --> 00:42:56.930
Tone.
00:42:57.164 --> 00:42:58.499
Okay.
00:42:58.499 --> 00:42:59.133
Tone is going to determine
00:42:59.133 --> 00:43:03.070
The emotional impact of what a film is.
00:43:03.070 --> 00:43:05.973
That's what a director does.
00:43:05.973 --> 00:43:07.341
A lot of times, our audience and audiences
00:43:07.341 --> 00:43:10.744
Don't know if they didn't like a movie. why?
00:43:10.744 --> 00:43:14.415
They didn't like it. yeah. okay.
00:43:14.415 --> 00:43:16.517
So a producer
00:43:16.517 --> 00:43:18.819
Carves the budget and gives all the departments their budgets.
00:43:18.819 --> 00:43:22.790
So if you do that right
00:43:22.790 --> 00:43:24.191
And you even that out right, it's a well produced film.
00:43:24.191 --> 00:43:27.327
If you have really great actors in a bad script.
00:43:27.327 --> 00:43:31.632
Yeah. let's call it usually.
00:43:31.632 --> 00:43:33.901
Okay.
00:43:33.901 --> 00:43:34.835
So that was a really great actors right?
00:43:34.835 --> 00:43:38.372
Yeah.
00:43:38.605 --> 00:43:39.807
You know i know, but that was just a terribly done movie,
00:43:39.807 --> 00:43:43.610
Terribly produced because it was they spent
00:43:43.610 --> 00:43:46.113
All the money on two actors
00:43:46.113 --> 00:43:48.415
And no
00:43:48.649 --> 00:43:49.616
Money on a real script or real anything else.
00:43:49.616 --> 00:43:52.720
And so a well produced film means that you have good actors
00:43:52.720 --> 00:43:56.557
And good costumes and a good script on good sets,
00:43:56.557 --> 00:43:59.593
A good music, and you've edited it good.
00:43:59.593 --> 00:44:02.196
Okay.
00:44:02.196 --> 00:44:02.763
That's a well-produced
00:44:02.763 --> 00:44:04.131
If you never connect to the movie and you never feel
00:44:04.131 --> 00:44:08.302
Anything, that's the director's problem, right?
00:44:08.302 --> 00:44:12.106
But i think that comes chemistry.
00:44:12.106 --> 00:44:14.742
And, you know, you do take a risk
00:44:14.742 --> 00:44:16.744
When you put two actors together that haven't met each other.
00:44:16.744 --> 00:44:19.213
Me about i don't know that. so there you go.
00:44:19.213 --> 00:44:22.049
So but tell me, give this series everything.
00:44:22.049 --> 00:44:24.284
And, inbar marvy, who's an israeli actress.
00:44:24.284 --> 00:44:27.454
I'd never heard of her before.
00:44:27.454 --> 00:44:28.622
And then emile hirsch, this is where miracles happen.
00:44:28.622 --> 00:44:31.759
I'm telling you, i believe in miracles.
00:44:31.759 --> 00:44:33.360
And i want to go in, because that's kind of my theme of life.
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:36.196
Somehow they came together and it was just
00:44:36.196 --> 00:44:39.600
Explosive on the set.
00:44:39.600 --> 00:44:40.667
They they had a chemistry
00:44:40.667 --> 00:44:42.736
Together that you could really see
00:44:42.736 --> 00:44:44.271
Right from the second because,
00:44:44.271 --> 00:44:45.472
You know, in the love story,
00:44:45.472 --> 00:44:46.473
They look at each other and you have to go,
00:44:46.473 --> 00:44:47.908
Oh yeah, that would make a nice couple and all of that stuff.
00:44:47.908 --> 00:44:50.711
So, one of the most important films,
00:44:50.711 --> 00:44:55.082
Most important things in
00:44:55.082 --> 00:44:55.983
All of my films is the idea of miracles.
00:44:55.983 --> 00:44:58.418
You know, earlier
00:44:58.418 --> 00:44:59.620
We were talking about reagan, and i grew up in the 80s,
00:44:59.620 --> 00:45:02.489
You know, going all through that and,
00:45:02.489 --> 00:45:04.825
He, he would
00:45:05.125 --> 00:45:06.226
Say to his speaker, you know, we're going to fight
00:45:06.226 --> 00:45:09.196
Like heck all day, but at 6:00 we're going to have a beer.
00:45:09.196 --> 00:45:12.766
And i put that in the movie, just like you were saying,
00:45:12.766 --> 00:45:15.369
You find something for yourself because in today's world,
00:45:15.369 --> 00:45:18.772
People are fighting all the time.
00:45:18.772 --> 00:45:20.207
They don't know when to give up.
00:45:20.207 --> 00:45:21.241
But back then, we could agree to disagree.
00:45:21.241 --> 00:45:23.844
Yeah. and my gosh, we need that now.
00:45:23.844 --> 00:45:25.946
And i think that was a miracle we had back then
00:45:25.946 --> 00:45:28.615
Going on with that in both artist at war,
00:45:28.615 --> 00:45:32.319
It is a miracle that they survived.
00:45:32.319 --> 00:45:35.055
And because they survived,
00:45:35.055 --> 00:45:36.456
They have kids and have now
00:45:36.456 --> 00:45:38.091
Brought on thousands of more people.
00:45:38.091 --> 00:45:39.726
So he saved thousands of people
00:45:39.726 --> 00:45:41.361
That went on and had families like that.
00:45:41.361 --> 00:45:43.630
That's a miracle that you cannot point to anything else.
00:45:43.630 --> 00:45:46.366
And and so when you
00:45:46.366 --> 00:45:48.135
Live your life going, let's try to find the miracles.
00:45:48.135 --> 00:45:51.905
They start showing up. yeah.
00:45:51.905 --> 00:45:53.373
And i think somewhere along the line
00:45:53.373 --> 00:45:54.708
You said, you know, i talk to dead people.
00:45:54.708 --> 00:45:57.110
I know this is going to sound weird,
00:45:57.110 --> 00:45:58.111
But you had said they're up in heaven
00:45:58.111 --> 00:45:59.413
And they're in the balconies watching over us.
00:45:59.413 --> 00:46:01.582
I took mom like, what about this?
00:46:01.582 --> 00:46:03.317
Is this a good thing? should i be doing this?
00:46:03.317 --> 00:46:05.018
And they said, she said, go on them go on the show.
00:46:05.018 --> 00:46:07.821
The praise that let's do that.
00:46:07.821 --> 00:46:09.556
I thought i literally have.
00:46:09.556 --> 00:46:10.724
I see her favorite flower was a, a bird of paradise.
00:46:10.724 --> 00:46:14.595
And i always look at them and they point somewhere
00:46:14.595 --> 00:46:16.096
And i always look to where they're pointing.
00:46:16.096 --> 00:46:18.198
But i truly believe that they're around us.
00:46:18.198 --> 00:46:20.167
They're here. they're hanging out here.
00:46:20.167 --> 00:46:21.635
So when you have that idea
00:46:21.635 --> 00:46:22.836
That miracles are happening all around you
00:46:22.836 --> 00:46:25.339
And that there is more to life
00:46:25.339 --> 00:46:26.907
Than this, that's what i want to get across with my movies,
00:46:26.907 --> 00:46:29.643
That there are miracles and you have to seek them out.
00:46:29.643 --> 00:46:32.746
And when you seek out miracles,
00:46:32.746 --> 00:46:34.314
That's what you're going to find in my films.
00:46:34.314 --> 00:46:35.716
And that's why i want to do films about miracles.
00:46:35.716 --> 00:47:09.383
I do not speak german.
00:47:09.883 --> 00:47:11.184
You can kiss my ass as you like. i'm.
00:47:11.184 --> 00:47:16.056
You did.
00:47:16.290 --> 00:47:17.090
Is this my vision of yours?
00:47:17.090 --> 00:47:24.331
Named joseph ball.
00:47:24.765 --> 00:47:28.035
Why are you your new mapmaker commandant?
00:47:28.936 --> 00:47:31.271
Then you can be of service.
00:47:31.271 --> 00:47:32.372
Unfortunate for you.
00:47:32.372 --> 00:47:34.775
Is it possible to change my seed?
00:47:34.775 --> 00:47:38.779
How does this work?
00:47:39.246 --> 00:47:40.213
I'm waiting for the sunshine.
00:47:40.213 --> 00:47:41.481
Looks like you might have a problem.
00:47:41.481 --> 00:47:42.950
Maybe you can be my sunshine.
00:47:42.950 --> 00:47:45.752
I met the most wonderful woman that's been my sunshine.
00:47:45.752 --> 00:47:49.756
Only you yourself
00:47:49.756 --> 00:47:50.891
Could find something like that in a place like this.
00:47:50.891 --> 00:48:00.968
I see you,
00:48:01.268 --> 00:48:02.336
You take care of everybody.
00:48:02.336 --> 00:48:05.706
But who takes care of you?
00:48:05.706 --> 00:48:09.509
Was a long road into.
00:48:10.010 --> 00:48:12.946
If we do our work, maybe we can survive this madness
00:48:12.946 --> 00:48:16.016
And tell our story.
00:48:16.016 --> 00:48:17.084
We can't stand the man.
00:48:17.084 --> 00:48:19.586
Rebecca tenenbaum,
00:48:19.586 --> 00:48:21.188
I no, i do not see.
00:48:21.655 --> 00:48:24.091
However, life forever is shared with people.
00:48:24.091 --> 00:48:27.861
Say, however,
00:48:27.861 --> 00:48:33.934
I'm afraid not forever.
00:48:34.468 --> 00:48:41.475
I'm just trying to give people hope.
00:48:42.275 --> 00:48:45.345
If you want justice, you're going to have to survive.
00:48:45.345 --> 00:48:48.348
Don't let them really go.
00:48:48.348 --> 00:48:50.350
There's some things that they can't take from us.
00:48:50.350 --> 00:48:52.786
Laughter, joy, our spirits.
00:48:52.786 --> 00:49:01.228
I will try
00:49:01.528 --> 00:49:05.432
For this time.
00:49:05.799 --> 00:49:09.803
Thank you. chris.
00:49:09.803 --> 00:49:10.771
You folks inform me if that ever changes.
00:49:10.771 --> 00:49:15.542
You know what i love?
00:49:16.043 --> 00:49:17.744
So we did films for a lot of years, and
00:49:17.744 --> 00:49:22.516
I remember that our our motivation was jesus
00:49:22.516 --> 00:49:25.819
Told stories and that's how he got the kingdom of god
00:49:25.819 --> 00:49:29.389
And all the all the
00:49:29.389 --> 00:49:32.692
Beautiful parables that he spoke.
00:49:32.692 --> 00:49:35.462
And in matthew 13 his disciples asked
00:49:35.462 --> 00:49:40.000
Jesus, and he said, why do you tell stories?
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:43.136
And in the message translation it says, it says,
00:49:43.136 --> 00:49:46.273
I tell stories to nudge, to create a great readiness
00:49:46.273 --> 00:49:51.244
And to nudge people toward receptive
00:49:51.244 --> 00:49:55.248
Inside of the kingdom of god to nudge them towards.
00:49:55.248 --> 00:49:59.920
Yeah.
00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:00.854
So sowing seeds, that's what you're doing.
00:50:00.854 --> 00:50:03.090
You're sowing seeds of laughter, of joy?
00:50:03.090 --> 00:50:05.659
Yes. of peace, of love.
00:50:05.659 --> 00:50:07.694
Choose joy.
00:50:07.694 --> 00:50:08.995
And that is joy creating inside people a taste of good taste.
00:50:08.995 --> 00:50:14.968
And see that the lord is good of goodness and and love.
00:50:14.968 --> 00:50:18.772
And when you're entertaining someone,
00:50:18.772 --> 00:50:21.441
You're captivating the hearts in the minds of men. yes.
00:50:21.441 --> 00:50:25.278
And so i think your your whole calling is just amazing.
00:50:25.278 --> 00:50:29.783
And that is a miracle for god
00:50:29.783 --> 00:50:31.485
That god can use you to tell these amazing stories.
00:50:31.485 --> 00:50:34.688
This is a beautiful love story, in the most horrific times.
00:50:34.688 --> 00:50:40.494
And you've done such an amazing job.
00:50:40.494 --> 00:50:42.863
Let me tell.
00:50:42.863 --> 00:50:43.663
Let me tell our audience something.
00:50:43.663 --> 00:50:45.499
I, you know, i've been around this for a long time.
00:50:45.499 --> 00:50:49.569
We can tell we we made, i think your first,
00:50:49.569 --> 00:50:55.075
Real project was 1989.
00:50:55.575 --> 00:50:58.578
Yes. that was our first real project.
00:50:58.578 --> 00:51:01.515
I produced a film called china cry. yeah.
00:51:01.515 --> 00:51:04.484
Incredible story of a missionary lady in china.
00:51:04.484 --> 00:51:07.354
A true story. true story.
00:51:07.354 --> 00:51:10.023
It was about a $5.5 million project
00:51:10.023 --> 00:51:12.893
At the time, produced by trinity. and.
00:51:12.893 --> 00:51:15.962
And then we moved on and we did the amiga code,
00:51:15.962 --> 00:51:19.833
And then we did, a film with,
00:51:19.833 --> 00:51:23.703
Called the champion with with carmen.
00:51:23.703 --> 00:51:25.906
Then we did a second kind of a mega ko.
00:51:25.906 --> 00:51:28.708
Then we did one night with the king.
00:51:28.708 --> 00:51:29.976
The story of esther.
00:51:29.976 --> 00:51:31.378
And and by the way, the love story
00:51:31.378 --> 00:51:34.748
Angle of the chemistry that you're talking about in bow
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Wasn't really there in our film.
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And so that was really tragic.
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There's a bunch of funny stories i'll tell you later.
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But basically, we,
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We basically have this kind of similar path.
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You went deep into it, this as as a director,
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But we know a little bit about what we're talking about.
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We kind of been there, done that.
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And 13 theatrical releases later.
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Let me tell you what this one is.
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If anybody feels like
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You're in a terrible situation cycle, logically,
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When you are introduced to a story
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That is worse than yours, you feel better.
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No matter what you're going through.
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There's always somebody going through something way
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Worse than what you're going through.
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And psychologically, if you know of somebody
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That is in in a, in a pit,
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A recent filing of a divorce, you know, whatever,
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Whatever it is, this film would be something
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That would bring hope, joy, love.
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And remember, as a man thinks so, is he.
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You can choose to be a victim or you can choose joy.
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And this film
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Would be something to take somebody to
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And then talk about in basically context.
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You know what, your situation is really not that bad.
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So to be thankful for this thursday, it is in limited
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Release.
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Tomorrow it is wider release, in theaters on the 26th.
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And, sean, you've been devoting
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Your life to storytelling since you were a little guy.
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What do you want?
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Our audience kind of land the plane here, as it were,
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Close out this episodic piece
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That we've been sitting here talking about this. but,
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We know what you're doing.
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You're creating readiness.
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You're nudging people towards receptive inside of the kingdom
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Like jesus did.
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But land the plane.
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What do you want our audience to experience after going to bow?
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Artist at war.
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What's funny?
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I did a movie with roma downey
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Called on a wing and a prayer and,
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Dennis quaid, who played reagan, also plays the pilot.
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The pilot actually passes away on the plane
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And he has to land the plane.
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So i understand that concept.
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I bring it back to it's exactly what you said.
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When you go to the movies
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And you experiences somebody else's loss
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And you have tough times, that's why i do what i do.
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We all have challenging times.
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It's a normal human experience.
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We go to the
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Movies to find answers, and it has a cathartic effect on us.
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And i choose faith based, faith adjacent films
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And it all ends up with miracles are for real
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And miracles happen. just look for them.
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And that's how.
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If i could leave the audience with anything, just
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Just take a moment. pray.
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However, your version of that is i talk to everybody who's up
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In heaven.
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It's just me.
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But, but just know that miracles happen.
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And no matter how bad it gets,
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There's going to be brighter skies tomorrow.
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Keep your eyes open. and remember this.
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We had a film called the omega code in theaters,
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And one of our friends called us one time
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And said, i'm standing in the theater.
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The door above,
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Theater number 14 at a big amc
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Was saying omega code sold out.
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Omega code sold out.
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She looked up there in the lord, spoke to her, called us
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And told us.
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She said, the lord said to me,
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That's the church corner of the new millennium.
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The theater theaters.
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And so the church corner of the new millennium is calling
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You today, thursday the 25th or tomorrow the 26th.
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Bow artist at war.
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An amazing love story.
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It's beauty inside of the most tragic situation.
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Choose joy.
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And, thank you, sean, for being with us.
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Thank you for watching. seriously so much.
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Thank you for what you're doing, what you do
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And and you and and,
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You've got another one coming out in a couple of weeks.
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Yes. soul on fire comes out october 10th from sony.
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And it's the story of john o'leary
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And saint louis and jack buck.
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It's amazing what you can talk about that next time.
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Nice. we'll see you next time. bye bye.
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Sean McNamara: Bau, Artist At War | Praise

September 25, 2025 | 58:2

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