Zac & Jennie Allen: Gather 25 | Praise

February 4, 2025 | 53:30

Matt and Laurie Crouch welcome Zac and Jennie Allen to share their God-inspired vision of uniting the global Church through their upcoming event, Gather25.

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Praise | Zac & Jennie Allen: Gather 25 | Praise | February 4, 2025
  • Coming up
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  • Tonight on praise...
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  • The darkness is not scary to god.
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  • The darkness is redeemable.
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  • The darkness is the story that god has always moved
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  • In from genesis one.
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  • So when it is dark and i'm not acting like it
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  • Isn't, and these countries that we're
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  • Going to show so much hope, the reason that
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  • Revival is happening is because we're desperate.
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  • ♪♪
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  • Tonight on praise from dallas, faith leaders,
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  • Church visionaries and devoted husband and wife,
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  • Zac and jennie allen. and now your hosts,
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  • Matt and laurie crouch.
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  • You know what?
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  • I used to start thinking gather 25 was a long ways
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  • Away, and then i realized it's 2025, gather 25 is
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  • Around the corner.
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  • Here we are.
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  • Good lord.
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  • The last time i even remember sitting and
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  • Thinking about this, i felt, man, it's so far
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  • Away that we got all this time to plan.
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  • And it is upon us.
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  • It's upon us.
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  • Gather 25, we're going to get into that.
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  • Jennie and zac, for one hour. you and i, all of
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  • Us have something in common.
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  • A beautiful old timer's, with the lord.
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  • Now, bill bright,
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  • Campus crusade for christ now referred to as crew,
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  • I produced his tv show for nine years and bill
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  • And vonette were just dear to us.
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  • They were like grandparents to laurie and
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  • I, and every time i was around him, i got a
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  • Sense i was a part of a grand winning team and
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  • There's this hope that would fill the room.
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  • There's hope nationally
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  • It feels like in the united states of america
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  • That's permeating, and there's just the
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  • Timing for this seems like it's just been
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  • Divinely inspired.
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  • Like momentum.
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  • There's a momentum, a wind in the sail
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  • Kind of thing.
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  • So let's talk about hope.
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  • Let's talk about, let's goodness, let's talk
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  • About, we are 2025 now.
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  • You guys, we want to mention a big event
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  • That's coming to trinity.
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  • It's the if gathering or gather 25.
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  • We're going to be broadcasting it in
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  • February and march and we are going to
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  • Talk more about it.
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  • A lot of the information will be on the screen,
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  • But start with just kind of the sense that god's
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  • In this thing.
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  • The timing's right, there's enthusiasm there.
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  • Hope.
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  • How do you want to open this up?
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  • Well, let me just start by saying what it is,
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  • Just so there's context.
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  • We are going live from the united states of
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  • America and moving to all six continents.
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  • We're still looking for somebody in antarctica,
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  • But six continents.
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  • We have seven events telling the stories of
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  • What god is doing on earth and we're going to
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  • Hear the best teaching from each continent, have
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  • Cultural worship from each continent.
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  • And here's what's going to happen is everyone's
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  • Going to be leaning forward and realize
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  • Exactly what bill bright said.
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  • We are a part of a ginormous, beautiful,
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  • Healthy, robust, reviving church.
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  • It is so fun to be on this team.
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  • I have gone all over the world and everywhere i go
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  • I get within one minute, two minutes, i get hugs
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  • From my african brothers and sisters because we're
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  • Just a big family, and it is such an encouraging
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  • Thing to remember that the church isn't dying.
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  • The church is thriving and we're seeing that all
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  • Over the place right now.
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  • I see it and i know we've come out of a season
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  • Of discouragement.
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  • I've been discouraged and so many of us have.
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  • I remember when i sit down with my dad,
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  • He's so afraid.
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  • He's so afraid that he's going to leave the world
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  • Not in a better state for his grandkids and his
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  • Great grandkids.
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  • He thinks about that all the time and i sometimes
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  • Just grab him and i'm like, dad, no. god is
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  • Still moving and he is doing amazing things
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  • Right now.
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  • We are certainly looking at a special decade.
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  • We've all seen just a momentum, the church even
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  • In the us recently, and we're looking at a moment
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  • Where resources and technology and all these
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  • Things we're able to do things we've never been
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  • Able to do before.
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  • So i'm incredibly hopeful.
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  • I'm excited that the church for 25 hours isn't
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  • Going to fight.
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  • We're just going to come together. love on each other.
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  • And worship god and celebrate what he's doing
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  • Because there is so, so much to celebrate.
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  • I love the scriptures that we were even talking
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  • About yesterday.
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  • You're going to have to help me, on praise
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  • Yesterday about his kingdom came as a seed.
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  • It says this kingdom is everlasting.
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  • It's growing.
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  • What were some of those scriptures?
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  • Well, out of daniel, out of daniel, the dream,
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  • Nebuchadnezzar's dream and about the head of
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  • Gold and chest of silver.
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  • And then you get on down to the feet of the iron,
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  • Of iron and clay and then a rock crushes that and
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  • It's an everlasting.
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  • And that rock builds to its a mountain that
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  • Never ends,
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  • So it's never ends.
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  • It's a prophet, jesus's story.
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  • So we went from 12 disciples to 2 billion
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  • Christians. 2.5 billion, and gorowing.
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  • Here we are, and growing, and we lose sight of
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  • That sometimes. we do.
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  • And our common kind of let's say heritage of
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  • Knowing bill bright, he was infectious.
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  • He was.
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  • And every time we were creating a broadcast with
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  • Him or for him, and i did a lot of producing for
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  • Him, it was always you felt better about knowing
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  • What the information that you got because there is
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  • A big winning team and we're a part of it.
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  • I mean, everyone likes to win.
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  • I know.
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  • And there's going to be so much winning, they're
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  • Going to get tired of winning.
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  • And that is ultimately kind of the through line
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  • Of what we're going to be chatting about.
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  • But again, at some point you have to, there is a
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  • Time when testimonies need to be told and there
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  • Are voices that we're gathering,
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  • Gather 25, and tbn is going to play a role in kind of,
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  • You're doing this big 24 hour event.
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  • We're going to grab and summarize and deploy, and
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  • We're going to get to see all of this again.
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  • How it's going to be seen is all on the screen and
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  • There'll be spots running.
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  • But we're going to kick it off with four hours
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  • Live right here on tbn on february 8th at
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  • Eight o'clock eastern.
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  • So the praise program on february 28th this year
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  • Will be coming from a big local church
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  • In dallas. watermark church.
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  • What do you kind of attribute this overall
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  • Sense of hope?
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  • I mean, we saw an election. maybe you noticed
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  • That in news. it happened.
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  • It's been in the news.
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  • Yeah, it already happened.
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  • And so there's been this bit of an election thing,
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  • But at some point that's one little sphere.
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  • The church is a global entity with assets that dwarfs
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  • The united states of america's economy.
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  • It really is a thing.
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  • And if we could just gather together, but this
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  • Is a special time. why don't you preach to us
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  • For a little bit about it?
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  • Yeah, so first of all, there are
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  • Certainly struggles.
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  • I mean i'm seeing it in my own life and my
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  • Kids' lives.
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  • Discouragement, loneliness, anxiety.
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  • I mean this is a part of the story as well.
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  • So i don't want to miss that.
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  • We have been in a mental health crisis
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  • Coming out of covid.
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  • People feel completely overwhelmed.
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  • And so that is so real and i don't want to act
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  • Like this is a fake or naive hope.
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  • This is a hope that i'm actually seeing move
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  • Into the darkness.
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  • The darkness is not scary to god.
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  • The darkness is redeemable.
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  • The darkness is the story that god has always moved
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  • In from genesis one.
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  • When you think about the very first verse, it's
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  • Like the dark,
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  • He moved into the darkness. the light broke
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  • Through the darkness.
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  • So when it is dark, and i'm not acting like it
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  • Isn't. it's dark, and these countries that we're
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  • Going to show so much hope, we're going to show
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  • Revival happening.
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  • The reason in all of these places, including
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  • My own life, including the ministries i'm
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  • Involved in here, the reason that revival is
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  • Happening is because we're desperate and
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  • There's something about desperation that is so
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  • Pleasing to god.
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  • And so i just have learned not to fear it.
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  • I think about my little buddy that came up to me
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  • Recently on a college campus.
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  • We were on a secular campus and he said,
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  • Jennie, i want you to know two years ago i confessed
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  • My sin when you asked me to and i was
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  • Dealing drugs.
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  • And i stopped.
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  • I didn't even go back to my campus.
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  • And now two years later i'm going into ministry
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  • And i'm like, that kid had everything.
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  • He had money, he had prestige on his campus,
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  • He had everything, but he was so unhappy.
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  • And i think that's so many of us.
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  • I think so many of us, it's like why am
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  • I not happy?
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  • I feel like i have all the things i need or
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  • Maybe i'm going through something difficult, but
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  • I've seen other people go through difficult things
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  • And they're finding joy still.
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  • Where is that for me?
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  • Why does god not feel close to me?
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  • And i would just say that is a precious place to be.
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  • In that place of wanting every person jesus
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  • Touched when he was walking through the
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  • Streets, he was looking for the people that
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  • Needed him, that needed healing, that needed hope.
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  • So before-- we will, we talk about all the hope.
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  • And i mean i have chills thinking about it because
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  • I feel like i'm this girl and we are this couple
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  • That god has allowed to sit on the front row of
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  • Everything god is doing right now.
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  • We just had this view and i bet bill felt the same
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  • Way, and i know y'all feel the same way.
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  • We just get this view and this perspective.
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  • And so i was a cheerleader in college.
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  • No, no, i know.
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  • It's shocking.
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  • Big reveal.
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  • Shocking.
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  • So i feel like that's my role right now on earth
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  • Is just to be the girl that says, hey guys, it
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  • Is not despairing.
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  • It is dark, but it is not despairing.
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  • And when it is dark, god loves to bring light and
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  • He's doing it.
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  • We are going to show in these 25 hours, we are
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  • Going to show revival happening on every continent.
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  • That's beautiful.
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  • And it is usually happening with young
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  • People, which is a miracle.
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  • And it's so funny because i've been with these
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  • Leaders that are experiencing this and
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  • I've been on college campuses that i'm
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  • Experiencing revival and they're coming to jesus,
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  • They're getting baptized, they're giving their
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  • Lives away to god.
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  • They're truly surrendering their lives.
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  • And then i go over to liberia and he's like,
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  • Me too.
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  • Same, same.
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  • Everybody's really experiencing this moment.
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  • And so i don't think the world knows.
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  • I think just like my dad, i think so many people
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  • Listening right now, they don't know.
  • 00:11:33.816 --> 00:11:36.051
  • They're listening to me going, i don't believe it.
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  • And we're going to show it because they're
  • 00:11:37.853 --> 00:11:40.289
  • Worried about their great grandkids and they're
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  • Worried about the future
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  • They're leaving in the church and for their kids.
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  • And so there is a lot to be hopeful for, but i
  • 00:11:45.294 --> 00:11:48.497
  • Think we forget-- and let's be fair, the news inundates
  • 00:11:48.497 --> 00:11:51.901
  • Us with so much negativity, we miss the
  • 00:11:51.901 --> 00:11:55.304
  • Good stories.
  • 00:11:55.304 --> 00:11:56.806
  • You can always tell a podcaster, right?
  • 00:11:56.806 --> 00:11:58.941
  • Because they say listeners,
  • 00:11:58.941 --> 00:12:00.609
  • They're actually viewers. watchers.
  • 00:12:00.609 --> 00:12:03.045
  • But i love what you talk about.
  • 00:12:03.045 --> 00:12:06.115
  • God always worked with nothing.
  • 00:12:06.115 --> 00:12:08.584
  • He loved nothing.
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  • He loved emptiness.
  • 00:12:10.719 --> 00:12:12.788
  • He loved void.
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  • He loved darkness
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  • Because then he could make something amazing
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  • Out of it.
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  • And i think sharing the testimonies and to be
  • 00:12:20.095 --> 00:12:24.533
  • Able to see something that we've felt was lost
  • 00:12:24.533 --> 00:12:29.038
  • Because you kind of hear on the news and things
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  • Like how the church is disintegrating here in
  • 00:12:31.340 --> 00:12:34.944
  • America and the pastors kind of falling away.
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  • I think that's just all a big setup for something
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  • Amazing that god is going to do because it's not
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  • About any of us.
  • 00:12:46.655 --> 00:12:48.457
  • It's about god and showing these testimonies.
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  • I love to hear what god is doing around the world
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  • Because it does bring hope.
  • 00:12:55.331 --> 00:12:56.465
  • It does give you that little oomph to go, yeah,
  • 00:12:56.465 --> 00:13:01.136
  • There is a great big family of god all over
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  • The world.
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  • God is moving around the world.
  • 00:13:06.609 --> 00:13:08.043
  • It's not something that we can look out our door
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  • And just see what our neighborhood looks like.
  • 00:13:10.546 --> 00:13:13.148
  • There might be despair and stuff in there, but
  • 00:13:13.148 --> 00:13:15.184
  • If we get our eyes a different perspective
  • 00:13:15.184 --> 00:13:17.486
  • That brings hope, that brings life, that
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  • Changes, then what i feel like that changes then
  • 00:13:19.989 --> 00:13:23.058
  • What i go and do in my neighborhood
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  • And your community.
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  • And that grows.
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  • And i think god loves that.
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  • God loves that despair.
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  • God loves that emptiness, that dissatisfaction.
  • 00:13:30.933 --> 00:13:34.169
  • He takes all of that and fills us up.
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  • That's what he wants to do.
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  • ♪♪
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  • Imagine
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  • If the 2.5 billion followers of jesus on the
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  • Earth right now joined together for one global
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  • Gathering with one goal, to go and make disciples
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  • Of all people.
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  • What you're imagining is a sacred meeting unlike
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  • Any other in history.
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  • What you're imagining is gather 25. from every
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  • Continent and culture,
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  • Jesus followers are coming together in the
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  • Year 2025 for prayer, worship, repentance and
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  • Commissioning. connected live from africa and
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  • Australia, from europe and asia, from north and
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  • South america an unprecedented gathering
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  • Across every time zone,
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  • Gather 25 is free to everyone everywhere.
  • 00:14:33.195 --> 00:14:36.398
  • And it won't be a gathering of the global
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  • Church without you.
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  • Your community, your congregation, your
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  • Pastors and leaders from every state,
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  • From every nation.
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  • This is our moment of history to come together
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  • And to carry forth the gospel to every person
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  • On the earth.
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  • This is an invitation to every follower of jesus.
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  • This is gather 25.
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  • Watch live friday, february 28th, starting
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  • At 8:00 pm eastern on tbn and tbn+.
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  • We're in dallas, texas.
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  • Zac and jenni,.
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  • There could be some people going,
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  • I recognize her voice.
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  • Is that jennie?
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  • Yeah, that's jennie.
  • 00:15:26.982 --> 00:15:28.350
  • And these if gatherings. well, if kind of grew and
  • 00:15:28.350 --> 00:15:32.221
  • Turned into this gather 25 thing that we're
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  • Talking about.
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  • But before we keep going down the same railroad
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  • Track, i'm going to ask you guys something.
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  • Where do you guys come from?
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  • Tell your story.
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  • Wind back.
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  • Where'd you meet zac?
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  • Were you the quarterback and she was the--
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  • Football player.
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  • He was.
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  • That's a good guess.
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  • He was.
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  • We're such a cliche.
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  • Let him know.
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  • Let's kind of wind the clock back and get behind
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  • The scenes a touch because oftentimes
  • 00:16:03.385 --> 00:16:07.856
  • There's just a story behind the story that
  • 00:16:07.856 --> 00:16:10.826
  • Leads to these big events.
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  • What's your kind of backstory?
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  • Yeah.
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  • Well, i'm the son of a legendary texas high
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  • School football coach.
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  • And so winning games was what paid his paycheck
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  • And so competing at the highest level.
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  • But my dad loves jesus and my greatest memories
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  • With my dad were praying with him before games in
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  • Front of odessa, permian, biggest games, 20,000
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  • People in the stands.
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  • And he would pray for god's will over victory.
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  • And so my parents poured jesus into me and i
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  • Walked with him in high school.
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  • And then jennie and i met at a summer camp while we
  • 00:16:47.830 --> 00:16:50.766
  • Were in college.
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  • We fell in love.
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  • We could not get through college without
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  • Getting married.
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  • I was playing football.
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  • Yes, i was a college quarterback at a little
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  • School in east tennessee.
  • 00:17:02.311 --> 00:17:03.645
  • She moved there.
  • 00:17:03.645 --> 00:17:05.447
  • She gave up all of her broadcast journalism
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  • Career and aspirations to go change the hill at
  • 00:17:08.283 --> 00:17:12.588
  • Washington, washington dc,
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  • And we lived in married student housing in
  • 00:17:14.523 --> 00:17:16.792
  • Jefferson city, tennessee and started life together.
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  • And we both were walking with jesus and we knew we
  • 00:17:19.962 --> 00:17:23.465
  • Wanted to do ministry with life, with our lives.
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  • And i knew the gifts of my wife were really
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  • Unique, but i had no clue at that time how god
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  • Would use it.
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  • And where did if come from?
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  • Yeah, so i remember being in my home with three
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  • Little kids and i, it was the middle of the night
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  • And i had this dream about gathering.
  • 00:17:48.957 --> 00:17:52.928
  • This is crazy to think about now.
  • 00:17:52.928 --> 00:17:54.163
  • Today. it was--
  • 00:17:54.163 --> 00:17:55.797
  • What timeframe are we
  • 00:17:55.797 --> 00:17:56.732
  • Talking about?
  • 00:17:56.732 --> 00:17:58.367
  • I just turned 30, so this was over 15 years ago and
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  • I was not writing, i was leading bible studies
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  • In my home.
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  • That's what i was doing.
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  • And i had little kids.
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  • I didn't have a blog.
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  • I didn't have a platform.
  • 00:18:05.707 --> 00:18:06.642
  • We were pastoring a church.
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  • We had planted a church in austin and she was a
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  • Pastor's wife of three
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  • Little kids. a church plant in a cafeteria.
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  • And so i am sitting there and these are the words
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  • That god gave me on my 30th birthday.
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  • It was the night i turned 30.
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  • This is wild to say
  • 00:18:21.089 --> 00:18:23.058
  • Now, disciple a generation.
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  • And i remember i wrote the words down and i felt so
  • 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:28.263
  • Heavy about them because i was like, how would a
  • 00:18:28.263 --> 00:18:30.999
  • Stay at home mom with a church plant in a
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  • Cafeteria with three little kids disciple
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  • A generation?
  • 00:18:36.271 --> 00:18:37.306
  • How would that ever happen?
  • 00:18:37.306 --> 00:18:38.440
  • So that night i went out with my friends and i
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  • Remember-- i haven't told this story in so long.
  • 00:18:41.310 --> 00:18:42.945
  • I remember saying it out loud.
  • 00:18:42.945 --> 00:18:45.347
  • I was so heavy, i was teary.
  • 00:18:45.347 --> 00:18:47.549
  • I was like, what do i do with this?
  • 00:18:47.549 --> 00:18:49.451
  • And they said, jennie, if this is from god,
  • 00:18:49.451 --> 00:18:55.057
  • He will do it.
  • 00:18:55.057 --> 00:18:56.892
  • And that was good news for me.
  • 00:18:56.892 --> 00:18:58.493
  • I actually, as ambitious as i look with
  • 00:18:58.493 --> 00:19:02.164
  • All of these beautiful, amazing things that have
  • 00:19:02.164 --> 00:19:03.932
  • Happened, i really like just my normal life.
  • 00:19:03.932 --> 00:19:09.271
  • And so i was like, great, i will let him do it.
  • 00:19:09.271 --> 00:19:11.240
  • And sure enough, it would be five years later
  • 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:13.108
  • Before my bible studies people were trying to
  • 00:19:13.108 --> 00:19:15.744
  • Publish 'em and they were spreading and they were
  • 00:19:15.744 --> 00:19:17.379
  • Being sent all over and it just took on a life
  • 00:19:17.379 --> 00:19:19.548
  • Of its own.
  • 00:19:19.548 --> 00:19:20.882
  • And so if gathering was honestly an answer to
  • 00:19:20.882 --> 00:19:24.186
  • That word that night because i was given the
  • 00:19:24.186 --> 00:19:28.991
  • Moon in publishing.
  • 00:19:28.991 --> 00:19:30.359
  • I mean i still didn't have a platform, but
  • 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.362
  • Thomas nelson and huge publisher, he just said,
  • 00:19:33.362 --> 00:19:36.698
  • They said, we're going to publish you.
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  • Your bible says your books, everything.
  • 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:39.167
  • And i was like, i don't even know if i write
  • 00:19:39.167 --> 00:19:40.402
  • Books, i don't know what i'm doing.
  • 00:19:40.402 --> 00:19:42.170
  • And that was over, gosh, now 12, 13 years ago.
  • 00:19:42.170 --> 00:19:46.375
  • But when i look back at that time, i knew it was
  • 00:19:46.375 --> 00:19:51.079
  • Never about me.
  • 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.015
  • I knew it wasn't about my publishing.
  • 00:19:53.015 --> 00:19:54.750
  • I knew it was about us working together, about
  • 00:19:54.750 --> 00:19:57.486
  • The church coming together.
  • 00:19:57.486 --> 00:19:59.888
  • When the words disciple a generation, that was
  • 00:19:59.888 --> 00:20:02.424
  • So big to me.
  • 00:20:02.424 --> 00:20:03.659
  • I mean i couldn't have imagined.
  • 00:20:03.659 --> 00:20:05.794
  • But then i looked today technology i couldn't
  • 00:20:05.794 --> 00:20:07.362
  • Have imagined back then, none of us could
  • 00:20:07.362 --> 00:20:09.131
  • Have, the capacity.
  • 00:20:09.131 --> 00:20:10.632
  • And so if gathering started when i just asked
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  • All my friends to be with me, to not just each of
  • 00:20:12.601 --> 00:20:15.971
  • Us live on our island and build our own careers,
  • 00:20:15.971 --> 00:20:17.839
  • Our ministries, but to really build the
  • 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:21.343
  • Kingdom together.
  • 00:20:21.343 --> 00:20:22.544
  • And so we offered if gathering, pay what you
  • 00:20:22.544 --> 00:20:25.314
  • Can, gather also is completely free.
  • 00:20:25.314 --> 00:20:27.916
  • So there was a lot of risk involved and god
  • 00:20:27.916 --> 00:20:32.020
  • Provided, ang all over the world, women gathered.
  • 00:20:32.020 --> 00:20:34.890
  • And so gather 25 is now, i mean again, i still
  • 00:20:34.890 --> 00:20:38.860
  • Didn't plan it.
  • 00:20:38.860 --> 00:20:40.295
  • It came again from a dream where i woke up and
  • 00:20:40.295 --> 00:20:43.465
  • I dreamed that jesus was coming back in 10 years.
  • 00:20:43.465 --> 00:20:47.135
  • And i don't know, that's no announcement.
  • 00:20:47.135 --> 00:20:49.037
  • I have no idea when he'll come back.
  • 00:20:49.037 --> 00:20:50.605
  • But the urgency it put in me to be faithful with
  • 00:20:50.605 --> 00:20:54.409
  • What i've been given, and i had been given a
  • 00:20:54.409 --> 00:20:56.545
  • Ministry that reached the world.
  • 00:20:56.545 --> 00:20:58.046
  • We reached 179 countries with if gathering.
  • 00:20:58.046 --> 00:21:00.716
  • We had women leaders all over the world.
  • 00:21:00.716 --> 00:21:03.418
  • And so when i woke up, i thought if jesus were
  • 00:21:03.418 --> 00:21:06.455
  • Coming back soon, we should gather the
  • 00:21:06.455 --> 00:21:08.924
  • Whole church.
  • 00:21:08.924 --> 00:21:10.425
  • And it was just a random thought.
  • 00:21:10.425 --> 00:21:12.127
  • It didn't stress me out, which-- random thought.
  • 00:21:12.127 --> 00:21:15.931
  • I know. people think that and have those thoughts
  • 00:21:15.931 --> 00:21:18.734
  • All the time.
  • 00:21:18.734 --> 00:21:20.001
  • I know. let's gather the whole global church.
  • 00:21:20.001 --> 00:21:22.504
  • I know, and it should have scared the tar out of me.
  • 00:21:22.504 --> 00:21:24.573
  • And if i knew what i knew today, it would've.
  • 00:21:24.573 --> 00:21:25.907
  • But that day i just woke up and i have been the
  • 00:21:25.907 --> 00:21:29.077
  • Girl that has found myself, like so many of us,
  • 00:21:29.077 --> 00:21:33.715
  • I'm lucy on the back of the lion.
  • 00:21:33.715 --> 00:21:36.818
  • I don't know where we're going, but i listen and i
  • 00:21:36.818 --> 00:21:39.821
  • Say yes, and he's provided.
  • 00:21:39.821 --> 00:21:42.791
  • And in saying yes to him over and over again, he
  • 00:21:42.791 --> 00:21:45.160
  • Has always been faithful and he has done more than
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  • I can ask or imagine.
  • 00:21:48.630 --> 00:21:49.998
  • And so i am the girl that says yes.
  • 00:21:49.998 --> 00:21:52.634
  • And then i tell everybody else, you should say yes too.
  • 00:21:52.634 --> 00:21:54.736
  • Because if we all say yes, if every person just
  • 00:21:54.736 --> 00:21:57.572
  • Said, i will do whatever god calls me to do in my
  • 00:21:57.572 --> 00:22:00.308
  • Place, those 5.5 billion people that don't know
  • 00:22:00.308 --> 00:22:03.645
  • God, i think that's how everything changes.
  • 00:22:03.645 --> 00:22:07.516
  • I was in a meeting with bishop charles blake and
  • 00:22:07.516 --> 00:22:10.752
  • We were just getting ready to leave.
  • 00:22:10.752 --> 00:22:12.721
  • We were heading over to do an event with
  • 00:22:12.721 --> 00:22:15.724
  • Andre crouch.
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  • This is years ago.
  • 00:22:17.058 --> 00:22:19.027
  • And i gave laurie the ticket for the car to go
  • 00:22:19.027 --> 00:22:23.865
  • Out and we were at a hotel and a big ballroom
  • 00:22:23.865 --> 00:22:27.402
  • And bishop charles blake and i was having to say
  • 00:22:27.402 --> 00:22:30.305
  • Some final thing to some technical guys.
  • 00:22:30.305 --> 00:22:32.741
  • We were getting ready to do a remote over at and
  • 00:22:32.741 --> 00:22:35.477
  • Crouch's church and i am leaving and charles blake
  • 00:22:35.477 --> 00:22:42.818
  • Is at the microphone and he yells out from behind.
  • 00:22:42.818 --> 00:22:48.590
  • I wasn't looking at him, i was leaving.
  • 00:22:48.590 --> 00:22:50.091
  • Now i'm through the doors of the ballroom into the
  • 00:22:50.091 --> 00:22:52.861
  • Lobby almost where i can see where laurie is to
  • 00:22:52.861 --> 00:22:55.530
  • Get the car.
  • 00:22:55.530 --> 00:22:57.732
  • And he yells out, if your vision isn't big enough,
  • 00:22:57.732 --> 00:23:03.038
  • God will diminish your resources so that he'll
  • 00:23:03.038 --> 00:23:07.008
  • Get the glory.
  • 00:23:07.008 --> 00:23:09.144
  • And i mean, i froze in my tracks and i remember
  • 00:23:09.144 --> 00:23:12.681
  • Thinking that's the secret to life is to say
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  • Yes to something you can't possibly do.
  • 00:23:17.919 --> 00:23:20.222
  • Right?
  • 00:23:20.222 --> 00:23:21.156
  • It's the secret.
  • 00:23:21.156 --> 00:23:22.257
  • So when jennie shares this vision with me, my
  • 00:23:22.257 --> 00:23:26.962
  • Response is this is either arrogant, this is
  • 00:23:26.962 --> 00:23:31.633
  • Foolish, or this is of god.
  • 00:23:31.633 --> 00:23:35.170
  • And i processed this starting with arrogance.
  • 00:23:35.170 --> 00:23:38.673
  • Jennie's courageous and she's bold and she's full
  • 00:23:38.673 --> 00:23:44.079
  • Of faith, but she's not ambitious and she knew
  • 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:49.384
  • This was a dream from god.
  • 00:23:49.384 --> 00:23:51.486
  • This is not so-- i'm not looking for something
  • 00:23:51.486 --> 00:23:53.622
  • Else to do.
  • 00:23:53.622 --> 00:23:54.523
  • I've got a full plate of ministry.
  • 00:23:54.523 --> 00:23:57.158
  • Or is it foolish?
  • 00:23:57.158 --> 00:23:59.294
  • So she starts talking to other people, trusted
  • 00:23:59.294 --> 00:24:01.796
  • Advisors, you guys.
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  • Yeah.
  • 00:24:03.832 --> 00:24:04.966
  • Early on. god's given this to me.
  • 00:24:04.966 --> 00:24:07.469
  • I always say, yes,
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  • Yes, let's do it.
  • 00:24:08.737 --> 00:24:10.472
  • Foolish.
  • 00:24:10.472 --> 00:24:11.406
  • Yes, foolish.
  • 00:24:11.406 --> 00:24:12.707
  • I wasn't any help by the way, i always say yes.
  • 00:24:12.707 --> 00:24:14.609
  • Nobody shut it down.
  • 00:24:14.609 --> 00:24:16.244
  • Yeah, we got
  • 00:24:16.244 --> 00:24:17.312
  • A lot of yeses. a lot of yeses and a lot of
  • 00:24:17.312 --> 00:24:19.514
  • Partner organizations almost to the person said
  • 00:24:19.514 --> 00:24:24.819
  • Not just, yes, it's not foolish, but let's go.
  • 00:24:24.819 --> 00:24:29.824
  • What can i do?
  • 00:24:29.824 --> 00:24:30.959
  • I thought you were going to say he-- yes.
  • 00:24:30.959 --> 00:24:33.028
  • Yeah, i was afraid that you were--
  • 00:24:33.028 --> 00:24:35.397
  • The coach in me would want to do that.
  • 00:24:35.397 --> 00:24:36.865
  • But they just affirmed that this is of god as
  • 00:24:36.865 --> 00:24:39.234
  • Big and crazy as it has been.
  • 00:24:39.234 --> 00:24:43.238
  • And as a husband watching this every day and
  • 00:24:43.238 --> 00:24:46.708
  • Watching my wife, what it did not produce in
  • 00:24:46.708 --> 00:24:49.411
  • My wife was anxiety.
  • 00:24:49.411 --> 00:24:51.813
  • It actually was,
  • 00:24:51.813 --> 00:24:52.747
  • She was peaceful.
  • 00:24:52.747 --> 00:24:53.748
  • She was given the dream and she sat on it.
  • 00:24:53.748 --> 00:24:56.051
  • Actually, she went into sabbatical after
  • 00:24:56.051 --> 00:24:59.020
  • Receiving the dream again, trusting that god
  • 00:24:59.020 --> 00:25:01.389
  • Would do it
  • 00:25:01.389 --> 00:25:02.958
  • If this was of him. and it produced peace in her.
  • 00:25:02.958 --> 00:25:05.627
  • He will get it done.
  • 00:25:05.627 --> 00:25:06.761
  • Well, the reason it produces peace is because
  • 00:25:06.761 --> 00:25:08.363
  • He's basically asked me to play for the nba.
  • 00:25:08.363 --> 00:25:11.333
  • And i am a girl that his wife that lives in-- blonde
  • 00:25:11.333 --> 00:25:15.203
  • Hair-- he's asked me to do the impossible.
  • 00:25:15.203 --> 00:25:17.372
  • And so what are you going to do?
  • 00:25:17.372 --> 00:25:19.374
  • It's like, do i show up and play?
  • 00:25:19.374 --> 00:25:20.909
  • Okay, i'll show up and play.
  • 00:25:20.909 --> 00:25:22.210
  • I mean, i don't know why they would want me in the
  • 00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:23.511
  • Nba, but okay.
  • 00:25:23.511 --> 00:25:24.846
  • And so i think the gap is so big that it's
  • 00:25:24.846 --> 00:25:26.948
  • Almost fun.
  • 00:25:26.948 --> 00:25:28.583
  • It's almost fun to just go, god, you got to do it.
  • 00:25:28.583 --> 00:25:31.519
  • The kingdom is righteousness, peace and
  • 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:34.389
  • Joy in the holy ghost.
  • 00:25:34.389 --> 00:25:36.124
  • So whatever you do, if you're going to be
  • 00:25:36.124 --> 00:25:40.128
  • Thinking about being a emissary of god's
  • 00:25:40.128 --> 00:25:43.298
  • Kingdom, whatever you do, it could be anything.
  • 00:25:43.298 --> 00:25:48.169
  • Whatever god calls you to do, you have to go in the
  • 00:25:48.169 --> 00:25:50.138
  • Right attitude.
  • 00:25:50.138 --> 00:25:51.272
  • So righteousness, peace and joy is the attitude
  • 00:25:51.272 --> 00:25:53.842
  • That he can work through.
  • 00:25:53.842 --> 00:25:55.176
  • So it's not what he does for you, it's what he
  • 00:25:55.176 --> 00:25:58.913
  • Does through you that matters.
  • 00:25:58.913 --> 00:26:01.349
  • And making space for him by saying yes to an
  • 00:26:01.349 --> 00:26:04.719
  • Impossible thing.
  • 00:26:04.719 --> 00:26:07.188
  • I think of my mom and dad, lord have mercy.
  • 00:26:07.188 --> 00:26:10.425
  • We have 17 language networks on anywhere
  • 00:26:10.425 --> 00:26:12.727
  • There's electricity in the world.
  • 00:26:12.727 --> 00:26:14.162
  • And it started with one little tv station.
  • 00:26:14.162 --> 00:26:16.097
  • They just said, yes. the lord said, i've released
  • 00:26:16.097 --> 00:26:18.466
  • You from your work here. they were working for
  • 00:26:18.466 --> 00:26:21.603
  • Somebody else, and they quit.
  • 00:26:21.603 --> 00:26:23.204
  • And a few months later, the lord gave a specific
  • 00:26:23.204 --> 00:26:25.507
  • Wordm call a businessman, call angel lerma.
  • 00:26:25.507 --> 00:26:28.810
  • And he called angel lerma exactly as he left a
  • 00:26:28.810 --> 00:26:32.614
  • Business meeting where he just voted to sell the
  • 00:26:32.614 --> 00:26:34.816
  • Station and then god had to do miracles for the
  • 00:26:34.816 --> 00:26:38.119
  • Money to get it.
  • 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:39.788
  • But that all happened in the last five minutes of,
  • 00:26:39.788 --> 00:26:42.524
  • So 7 million miracles later,
  • 00:26:42.524 --> 00:26:46.294
  • We sit here today, 52 years later and here
  • 00:26:46.294 --> 00:26:51.866
  • We are.
  • 00:26:51.866 --> 00:26:53.101
  • But that's what god wants to do for anybody.
  • 00:26:53.101 --> 00:26:54.736
  • For everybody.
  • 00:26:54.736 --> 00:26:56.137
  • The kingdom of god is righteousness,
  • 00:26:56.137 --> 00:26:58.973
  • Peace and joy.
  • 00:26:58.973 --> 00:27:00.475
  • I'm going to give you an assignment.
  • 00:27:00.475 --> 00:27:02.677
  • I am going to do it through you. just
  • 00:27:02.677 --> 00:27:06.481
  • Surrender, surrender to me.
  • 00:27:06.481 --> 00:27:11.252
  • So fun. relax and surrender and rest in
  • 00:27:11.252 --> 00:27:13.621
  • Productivity.
  • 00:27:13.621 --> 00:27:14.756
  • The peaceful productivity of rest in knowing that
  • 00:27:14.756 --> 00:27:18.993
  • God is going to do something and be
  • 00:27:18.993 --> 00:27:21.730
  • Expectant of him doing something exciting today.
  • 00:27:21.730 --> 00:27:26.134
  • I know. and he does it.
  • 00:27:26.134 --> 00:27:28.403
  • He doesn't need us to really--
  • 00:27:28.403 --> 00:27:30.905
  • No. we do our thing.
  • 00:27:30.905 --> 00:27:32.807
  • I think when we surrender to the will of god, we
  • 00:27:32.807 --> 00:27:36.211
  • Automatically do what we're called to do.
  • 00:27:36.211 --> 00:27:38.379
  • I think it's that.
  • 00:27:38.379 --> 00:27:39.581
  • I actually think it's that simple.
  • 00:27:39.581 --> 00:27:41.683
  • We did a movie years ago on the book of esther.
  • 00:27:41.683 --> 00:27:46.488
  • So when you do a movie about esther, you meet a
  • 00:27:46.488 --> 00:27:53.027
  • Whole bunch of people that really care
  • 00:27:53.027 --> 00:27:54.662
  • About that book.
  • 00:27:54.662 --> 00:27:56.264
  • That's the one thing you need to know.
  • 00:27:56.264 --> 00:27:57.899
  • You got to be careful with that one.
  • 00:27:57.899 --> 00:28:00.368
  • And you meet
  • 00:28:00.368 --> 00:28:02.570
  • A whole lot of esthers.
  • 00:28:02.570 --> 00:28:03.805
  • Yeah, you meet a whole bunch of esters and you
  • 00:28:03.805 --> 00:28:06.808
  • End up kind of realizing when i finally found a
  • 00:28:06.808 --> 00:28:08.743
  • Jewish scholar that started breaking down
  • 00:28:08.743 --> 00:28:13.081
  • What the rabbinical writings are about, what
  • 00:28:13.081 --> 00:28:16.484
  • The point of the book of esther is is it's a very
  • 00:28:16.484 --> 00:28:20.355
  • Specific book that god's name's not mentioned in
  • 00:28:20.355 --> 00:28:23.324
  • To remind the jews that he's always working on
  • 00:28:23.324 --> 00:28:25.827
  • Your behalf behind the scenes.
  • 00:28:25.827 --> 00:28:28.062
  • So good.
  • 00:28:28.062 --> 00:28:29.364
  • So that's the whole book of esther there to know
  • 00:28:29.364 --> 00:28:31.699
  • That you'll be placed before kings and in these
  • 00:28:31.699 --> 00:28:35.737
  • Very important assignments, but you're
  • 00:28:35.737 --> 00:28:39.707
  • To know that god's doing all the work
  • 00:28:39.707 --> 00:28:41.576
  • Behind the scenes.
  • 00:28:41.576 --> 00:28:43.311
  • That's the whole grasp of the book of esther.
  • 00:28:43.311 --> 00:28:46.281
  • And that got pounded into us by many women that
  • 00:28:46.281 --> 00:28:50.919
  • Care about that book and the idea that stands out
  • 00:28:50.919 --> 00:28:57.025
  • The most so far.
  • 00:28:57.025 --> 00:28:59.060
  • You're a stay-at-home mom with three kids.
  • 00:28:59.060 --> 00:29:01.329
  • You're planting a church in cafeteria and you seem
  • 00:29:01.329 --> 00:29:06.401
  • To get this generational vision.
  • 00:29:06.401 --> 00:29:10.505
  • So that's connecting to anybody watching right now.
  • 00:29:10.505 --> 00:29:16.644
  • Talk to them for a second about that moment.
  • 00:29:16.644 --> 00:29:22.450
  • Go back to that moment when there was nothing
  • 00:29:22.450 --> 00:29:25.420
  • Going on.
  • 00:29:25.420 --> 00:29:27.255
  • Go back to that moment.
  • 00:29:27.255 --> 00:29:28.723
  • That's that's important.
  • 00:29:28.723 --> 00:29:29.924
  • I think what's helpful for the context of since
  • 00:29:29.924 --> 00:29:32.360
  • You were 17, you always had a group of women, a
  • 00:29:32.360 --> 00:29:35.763
  • Group of girls that you were discipling
  • 00:29:35.763 --> 00:29:38.766
  • In your home.
  • 00:29:38.766 --> 00:29:40.802
  • That's what i did.
  • 00:29:40.802 --> 00:29:42.036
  • Still what i do,
  • 00:29:42.036 --> 00:29:43.137
  • But you controlled that and you never allowed,
  • 00:29:43.137 --> 00:29:46.574
  • Even maybe knowing the gifts that you had, you
  • 00:29:46.574 --> 00:29:49.410
  • Didn't allow that to go beyond the living room to
  • 00:29:49.410 --> 00:29:53.915
  • Maybe use those gifts more publicly.
  • 00:29:53.915 --> 00:29:55.683
  • I got you.
  • 00:29:55.683 --> 00:29:56.818
  • That's part of what changed after this vision.
  • 00:29:56.818 --> 00:29:59.754
  • But i also just believe in the faithfulness
  • 00:29:59.754 --> 00:30:02.123
  • Of people.
  • 00:30:02.123 --> 00:30:03.258
  • I think about all of you out there right now
  • 00:30:03.258 --> 00:30:04.893
  • Watching and going, god's never going to give me a
  • 00:30:04.893 --> 00:30:06.561
  • Dream like that.
  • 00:30:06.561 --> 00:30:07.462
  • First of all, you don't know.
  • 00:30:07.462 --> 00:30:08.596
  • I certainly would've expected it, but i also
  • 00:30:08.596 --> 00:30:10.698
  • Think he's in the business of helping us
  • 00:30:10.698 --> 00:30:14.135
  • Jump off cliffs and he will have you jump off
  • 00:30:14.135 --> 00:30:17.272
  • A cliff.
  • 00:30:17.272 --> 00:30:18.473
  • I've watched my kids do it when they jump off a
  • 00:30:18.473 --> 00:30:20.808
  • Little cliff.
  • 00:30:20.808 --> 00:30:21.676
  • They are so scared.
  • 00:30:21.676 --> 00:30:22.777
  • The first time they ever did it, i will never
  • 00:30:22.777 --> 00:30:23.311
  • Forget it.
  • 00:30:23.311 --> 00:30:23.945
  • It was like a rock.
  • 00:30:23.945 --> 00:30:24.779
  • It wasn't very big at all.
  • 00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:25.680
  • And they're all standing over.
  • 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:26.781
  • It took them forever, but then they did it
  • 00:30:26.781 --> 00:30:29.117
  • And they loved it.
  • 00:30:29.117 --> 00:30:30.285
  • And then they wanted to go up higher and they
  • 00:30:30.285 --> 00:30:31.719
  • Wanted to go up higher.
  • 00:30:31.719 --> 00:30:32.921
  • And finally i was like, no, you've got to stop.
  • 00:30:32.921 --> 00:30:34.522
  • They weren't afraid anymore.
  • 00:30:34.522 --> 00:30:35.890
  • And i think that's how god works is he will have
  • 00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:38.626
  • You take a risk.
  • 00:30:38.626 --> 00:30:39.761
  • And so i just even think about this huge group
  • 00:30:39.761 --> 00:30:41.930
  • Project with gather 25, you could have some
  • 00:30:41.930 --> 00:30:44.265
  • People over in your living room. all of us
  • 00:30:44.265 --> 00:30:46.634
  • Hosting around the world.
  • 00:30:46.634 --> 00:30:47.735
  • The way it is happening, there's over 10,000
  • 00:30:47.735 --> 00:30:49.070
  • Events happening.
  • 00:30:49.070 --> 00:30:50.605
  • The way it's happening is ordinary people saying,
  • 00:30:50.605 --> 00:30:53.274
  • Okay, i'll be brave.
  • 00:30:53.274 --> 00:30:54.909
  • I don't know what this is, but i'll invite my
  • 00:30:54.909 --> 00:30:57.078
  • Friends or i'll tell my pastor, or we'll have
  • 00:30:57.078 --> 00:30:59.347
  • Something in our church.
  • 00:30:59.347 --> 00:31:00.715
  • And all of these people have just said, yes,
  • 00:31:00.715 --> 00:31:02.684
  • 10,000 of them around the world.
  • 00:31:02.684 --> 00:31:05.153
  • And so when you think of each person saying yes in
  • 00:31:05.153 --> 00:31:07.889
  • Their place and they invite a few people, that
  • 00:31:07.889 --> 00:31:09.490
  • Is how the church gathers.
  • 00:31:09.490 --> 00:31:11.025
  • It's not tbn, it's not gather.
  • 00:31:11.025 --> 00:31:12.493
  • It's you.
  • 00:31:12.493 --> 00:31:13.861
  • It's you and your places.
  • 00:31:13.861 --> 00:31:15.129
  • But that's just a start.
  • 00:31:15.129 --> 00:31:16.464
  • And what will happen is you'll say yes.
  • 00:31:16.464 --> 00:31:17.899
  • And just like so many of my friends that hosted if
  • 00:31:17.899 --> 00:31:20.401
  • Gathering in idaho or uganda, all of a sudden
  • 00:31:20.401 --> 00:31:24.238
  • Now they're leading huge ministries because
  • 00:31:24.238 --> 00:31:25.873
  • It just grew.
  • 00:31:25.873 --> 00:31:27.408
  • And i think that's what you've got to realize is
  • 00:31:27.408 --> 00:31:29.510
  • People actually want god.
  • 00:31:29.510 --> 00:31:31.679
  • People are craving hope.
  • 00:31:31.679 --> 00:31:34.549
  • They are craving god.
  • 00:31:34.549 --> 00:31:36.117
  • And when you go into the world believing that, you
  • 00:31:36.117 --> 00:31:39.620
  • Invite people into the faith that you have and
  • 00:31:39.620 --> 00:31:43.091
  • The hope that you have, they're so grateful.
  • 00:31:43.091 --> 00:31:46.127
  • They're so grateful.
  • 00:31:46.127 --> 00:31:47.195
  • And i'm not saying every time, but guys, i just
  • 00:31:47.195 --> 00:31:49.664
  • Think we are in a moment where that hope is best
  • 00:31:49.664 --> 00:31:54.168
  • Told through each of you, through every single one
  • 00:31:54.168 --> 00:31:58.339
  • Of you in your places.
  • 00:31:58.339 --> 00:31:59.974
  • We do our jobs on a big scale that god's called us to.
  • 00:31:59.974 --> 00:32:02.910
  • And that's part of the domino that is falling
  • 00:32:02.910 --> 00:32:04.779
  • Into your life right now.
  • 00:32:04.779 --> 00:32:06.848
  • But you are the domino that is supposed to fall
  • 00:32:06.848 --> 00:32:08.950
  • Into other people's lives.
  • 00:32:08.950 --> 00:32:10.284
  • And so we all share the same purpose.
  • 00:32:10.284 --> 00:32:12.153
  • I don't think of it as big and small.
  • 00:32:12.153 --> 00:32:13.654
  • I think of it as the same story that your dad did
  • 00:32:13.654 --> 00:32:16.624
  • With angel the day he obeyed.
  • 00:32:16.624 --> 00:32:18.559
  • He had no idea the repercussions.
  • 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.628
  • I think of the story of the shoe salesman that
  • 00:32:20.628 --> 00:32:23.031
  • Shared jesus with dl moody.
  • 00:32:23.031 --> 00:32:24.465
  • He had no idea the repercussions of that.
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  • If each of us just takes our place in the story,
  • 00:32:26.467 --> 00:32:29.670
  • That is the heart of gather is that the church
  • 00:32:29.670 --> 00:32:31.773
  • Would be commissioned to reach every person with a
  • 00:32:31.773 --> 00:32:34.375
  • Love of jesus.
  • 00:32:34.375 --> 00:32:35.610
  • Not that this would be a big show or a big event,
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  • But that each of us would realize, oh gosh, i'm a
  • 00:32:38.846 --> 00:32:41.182
  • Part of a team.
  • 00:32:41.182 --> 00:32:42.283
  • It's winning.
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  • I don't want to miss that.
  • 00:32:43.451 --> 00:32:45.086
  • I hope we all have fomo after this, that we just
  • 00:32:45.086 --> 00:32:47.588
  • All feel like i want to be a part of the
  • 00:32:47.588 --> 00:32:49.390
  • Story of god.
  • 00:32:49.390 --> 00:32:50.525
  • What i love about it is there could be somebody
  • 00:32:50.525 --> 00:32:52.193
  • Viewing even right now saying, i want to say yes
  • 00:32:52.193 --> 00:32:55.329
  • To something now.
  • 00:32:55.329 --> 00:32:57.498
  • And so all that information on the screen
  • 00:32:57.498 --> 00:32:59.967
  • Is where you can say yes and invite your
  • 00:32:59.967 --> 00:33:03.337
  • Neighborhood in and watch as much of it as you can.
  • 00:33:03.337 --> 00:33:08.176
  • I mean, i don't know how many people are going to
  • 00:33:08.176 --> 00:33:12.880
  • Sit and watch 24 hours with toothpicks in their
  • 00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.683
  • Eyes, but it's meant to shift around obviously
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  • The globe and to touch everybody.
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  • What an amazing thing.
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  • We're grateful that we're a part of it.
  • 00:33:24.025 --> 00:33:25.693
  • We want to bring a bunch of it to you here at tbn
  • 00:33:25.693 --> 00:33:29.530
  • And we're a big part of it.
  • 00:33:29.530 --> 00:33:30.965
  • We have a roll-in that we want you to see.
  • 00:33:30.965 --> 00:33:33.801
  • That'll help explain a lot about what we're
  • 00:33:33.801 --> 00:33:36.704
  • Talking about, what we've been talking about.
  • 00:33:36.704 --> 00:33:39.307
  • Watch this.
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  • Imagine if the 2.5 billion followers of
  • 00:33:43.911 --> 00:33:48.149
  • Jesus on the earth right now joined together for
  • 00:33:48.149 --> 00:33:52.954
  • One global gathering with one goal, to go and make
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  • Disciples of all people.
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  • What you're imagining is a sacred meeting, unlike
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  • Any other in history.
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  • What you're imagining is gather 25. from every
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  • Continent and culture,
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  • Jesus followers are coming together in the
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  • Year 2025 for prayer, worship, repentance
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  • And commissioning.
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  • Connected live from africa and australia,
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  • From europe and asia, from north and south
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  • America in unprecedented gathering across
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  • Every time zone,
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  • Gather 25 is free to everyone everywhere.
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  • And it won't be a gathering of the global
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  • Church without you,
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  • Your community, your congregation, your
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  • Pastors and leaders from every state,
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  • From every nation.
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  • This is our moment of history to come together
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  • And to carry forth the gospel to every person
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  • On the earth.
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  • This is an invitation to every follower of jesus.
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  • This is gather 25.
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  • Watch live friday, february 28th,
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  • Starting at 8:00 pm eastern on tbn and tbn+.
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  • When you were saying just a moment ago, jennie,
  • 00:35:21.742 --> 00:35:25.546
  • About this kind of analogy, a couple of
  • 00:35:25.546 --> 00:35:30.451
  • Things popped into my head.
  • 00:35:30.451 --> 00:35:32.653
  • Your kids were afraid to jump off the rock and
  • 00:35:32.653 --> 00:35:35.489
  • Then they wanted to go higher and higher and higher.
  • 00:35:35.489 --> 00:35:38.159
  • I feel you.
  • 00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.294
  • Oftentimes people need to hear stories that we all
  • 00:35:40.294 --> 00:35:49.570
  • Feel that way. when we say yes to something, we
  • 00:35:49.570 --> 00:35:53.507
  • Realize we're in for this kind of radical
  • 00:35:53.507 --> 00:35:58.546
  • Ride of some sort.
  • 00:35:58.546 --> 00:36:00.748
  • And it's always kind of scary and intense all at
  • 00:36:00.748 --> 00:36:05.052
  • The same time.
  • 00:36:05.052 --> 00:36:07.488
  • But you get used to that level of scary,
  • 00:36:07.488 --> 00:36:10.124
  • Then you need a higher position and then you
  • 00:36:10.124 --> 00:36:12.426
  • Just keep going.
  • 00:36:12.426 --> 00:36:14.228
  • I don't think there's any shortcuts.
  • 00:36:14.228 --> 00:36:16.163
  • So if somebody wants something volunteering to
  • 00:36:16.163 --> 00:36:19.967
  • Just say yes, to have a gathering with gather 25 and
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  • To participate is a really good start.
  • 00:36:23.204 --> 00:36:26.140
  • It's a great start.
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  • Yes.
  • 00:36:27.942 --> 00:36:28.943
  • It kind of hearkens back to you being a
  • 00:36:28.943 --> 00:36:30.645
  • Stay-at-home mom with three kids and how can i
  • 00:36:30.645 --> 00:36:33.047
  • Do anything to quote, what was the exact word,
  • 00:36:33.047 --> 00:36:38.286
  • Pastor a nation?
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  • Or-- disciple a generation.
  • 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:41.522
  • Disciple a generation.
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  • That's a jump.
  • 00:36:42.623 --> 00:36:43.958
  • Yeah.
  • 00:36:43.958 --> 00:36:44.759
  • Big, big jump.
  • 00:36:44.759 --> 00:36:47.628
  • And we were sitting, laurie and i were sitting with
  • 00:36:47.628 --> 00:36:50.031
  • Some friends of ours.
  • 00:36:50.031 --> 00:36:51.699
  • He's a businessman, his name is mason.
  • 00:36:51.699 --> 00:36:55.036
  • And mason told us the most incredible
  • 00:36:55.036 --> 00:36:57.805
  • Kind of vision.
  • 00:36:57.805 --> 00:37:00.474
  • This is a really great story.
  • 00:37:00.474 --> 00:37:02.443
  • And he was telling this story that one of his
  • 00:37:02.443 --> 00:37:08.649
  • Friends had a, they were in prayer and mason said,
  • 00:37:08.649 --> 00:37:14.822
  • Did you see anything?
  • 00:37:14.822 --> 00:37:17.224
  • He goes, i actually did.
  • 00:37:17.224 --> 00:37:18.759
  • Lemme tell you what i saw.
  • 00:37:18.759 --> 00:37:21.362
  • So he said he this vision, he saw a guy, it
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  • Was him climbing a think of a cliff with the
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  • Crashing, raging waters
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  • Down below him below.
  • 00:37:33.040 --> 00:37:35.343
  • You can't fall into that, you'll die.
  • 00:37:35.343 --> 00:37:37.545
  • I mean, so he, he's climbing up, he's
  • 00:37:37.545 --> 00:37:40.247
  • Climbing up, climbing up.
  • 00:37:40.247 --> 00:37:41.549
  • Strength is coming out of his arms and he's
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  • Getting tired.
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  • He's asking jesus to help him.
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  • Lord, if you were only at the top of this thing,
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  • I'm almost to the top.
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  • I'm not quite there.
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  • If you were just there, you could reach down
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  • And get me.
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  • And you could a hand and you could just, and sure
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  • Enough, as soon as he was kind of praying that sure
  • 00:38:04.805 --> 00:38:09.110
  • Enough, a hand reached down.
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  • He's reaching up towards the hand.
  • 00:38:13.614 --> 00:38:15.549
  • Jesus looks into his eyes from above and the next
  • 00:38:15.549 --> 00:38:18.386
  • Thing he knows, jesus jumps off the cliff.
  • 00:38:18.386 --> 00:38:22.690
  • And as he's falling next to him, he says, follow me.
  • 00:38:22.690 --> 00:38:27.294
  • And he lets go of the cliff and falls backwards
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  • Into the waves.
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  • This is my life.
  • 00:38:32.867 --> 00:38:34.034
  • And he found that it wasn't a boiling sea, it
  • 00:38:34.034 --> 00:38:36.937
  • Was the endless love of god that he had dropped
  • 00:38:36.937 --> 00:38:39.106
  • Into, but he had to let go.
  • 00:38:39.106 --> 00:38:43.944
  • So the analogy i've been living lately that i most
  • 00:38:43.944 --> 00:38:46.881
  • Relate to is for so long in this journey, you can
  • 00:38:46.881 --> 00:38:51.185
  • Imagine bringing together seven continents, men,
  • 00:38:51.185 --> 00:38:54.121
  • Women, children, all over the world, the cost
  • 00:38:54.121 --> 00:38:56.624
  • Of technology.
  • 00:38:56.624 --> 00:38:58.125
  • We're doing 80 languages.
  • 00:38:58.125 --> 00:38:59.927
  • We have production teams and speakers and worship
  • 00:38:59.927 --> 00:39:03.364
  • And openings that are dramatic with drummers.
  • 00:39:03.364 --> 00:39:06.133
  • And all these details, you can imagine how big
  • 00:39:06.133 --> 00:39:09.136
  • This is and how much it has cost and our team and
  • 00:39:09.136 --> 00:39:12.640
  • Just all of it in every single way and just
  • 00:39:12.640 --> 00:39:15.676
  • Spiritual warfare that would accompany something
  • 00:39:15.676 --> 00:39:17.945
  • Like this has been a part of this story as well.
  • 00:39:17.945 --> 00:39:19.613
  • And so for so long, i would tell my team, we're
  • 00:39:19.613 --> 00:39:22.783
  • Standing in front of the red sea and we are just
  • 00:39:22.783 --> 00:39:24.985
  • Going to beg god to part it and for him to do it.
  • 00:39:24.985 --> 00:39:28.155
  • Well, then miracles started happening.
  • 00:39:28.155 --> 00:39:29.590
  • Things you can't imagine started happening.
  • 00:39:29.590 --> 00:39:31.692
  • I mean, i sit down with a guy i've never met and he
  • 00:39:31.692 --> 00:39:33.627
  • Was like, listen, i didn't come here to give
  • 00:39:33.627 --> 00:39:36.597
  • You money, but i think i'm supposed to help and
  • 00:39:36.597 --> 00:39:38.632
  • Ends up being one of our very biggest donors from
  • 00:39:38.632 --> 00:39:41.168
  • One meal and didn't even understand it all.
  • 00:39:41.168 --> 00:39:43.971
  • And so i've just watched again and again and
  • 00:39:43.971 --> 00:39:46.707
  • Again, god provide, god provide, god provide.
  • 00:39:46.707 --> 00:39:48.876
  • But he still, i'm at the end of the cliff.
  • 00:39:48.876 --> 00:39:52.546
  • I'm weeks away and there's still things.
  • 00:39:52.546 --> 00:39:55.449
  • This is so scary and big.
  • 00:39:55.449 --> 00:39:58.486
  • And so i've told my team, i said, i think now we're
  • 00:39:58.486 --> 00:40:03.157
  • In the middle of the red sea and it turns out the
  • 00:40:03.157 --> 00:40:06.160
  • Middle of the red sea is kind of scary too.
  • 00:40:06.160 --> 00:40:08.929
  • And the water's hitting our faces and the walls
  • 00:40:08.929 --> 00:40:10.764
  • Of water on both sides.
  • 00:40:10.764 --> 00:40:12.233
  • We can't go back.
  • 00:40:12.233 --> 00:40:14.902
  • It's weeks away.
  • 00:40:14.134 --> 00:40:15.536
  • It's happening.
  • 00:40:15.536 --> 00:40:16.504
  • We're here to tell you it is happening.
  • 00:40:16.504 --> 00:40:17.905
  • Be there.
  • 00:40:17.905 --> 00:40:19.273
  • And it's scary.
  • 00:40:19.273 --> 00:40:21.308
  • And i want to say that vulnerably because i
  • 00:40:21.308 --> 00:40:24.678
  • Think people can talk a big game and act like,
  • 00:40:24.678 --> 00:40:28.148
  • Yes, i did this great thing and this was amazing.
  • 00:40:28.148 --> 00:40:31.218
  • This is not my thing.
  • 00:40:31.218 --> 00:40:33.687
  • This has been god from the beginning.
  • 00:40:33.687 --> 00:40:35.589
  • And it's scary.
  • 00:40:35.589 --> 00:40:37.424
  • And we're all that kid on the side of the cliff
  • 00:40:37.424 --> 00:40:39.627
  • Hanging on for dear life and willing to keep going
  • 00:40:39.627 --> 00:40:43.564
  • And willing to grab the hand.
  • 00:40:43.564 --> 00:40:46.433
  • And then, i mean, i'm so ministered to by the
  • 00:40:46.433 --> 00:40:48.235
  • Story because i do feel like he's saying, jennie,
  • 00:40:48.235 --> 00:40:50.738
  • Let me finish this job.
  • 00:40:50.738 --> 00:40:53.407
  • Let me do it.
  • 00:40:53.407 --> 00:40:55.242
  • Going to-- i can't gather the world.
  • 00:40:55.242 --> 00:40:56.944
  • I have a lot of followers.
  • 00:40:56.944 --> 00:40:58.212
  • I don't have that many.
  • 00:40:58.212 --> 00:40:59.380
  • I can't do it, but he can.
  • 00:40:59.380 --> 00:41:02.116
  • And so he keeps helping and he keeps doing it.
  • 00:41:02.116 --> 00:41:05.553
  • I'll encourage you, oddly encourage you by saying
  • 00:41:05.553 --> 00:41:10.457
  • This, it feels like most of our lives in making
  • 00:41:10.457 --> 00:41:17.932
  • The nine theatrical motion pictures that we
  • 00:41:17.932 --> 00:41:21.835
  • Did and right as peter o'toole and omar sharif
  • 00:41:21.835 --> 00:41:24.905
  • For showing up on set, our indian crew
  • 00:41:24.905 --> 00:41:28.108
  • Hostaged, the shoot.
  • 00:41:28.108 --> 00:41:30.444
  • But what i think is what's happening is the
  • 00:41:30.444 --> 00:41:34.081
  • Lord loves it when he simply doesn't show you
  • 00:41:34.081 --> 00:41:40.421
  • Where you're going.
  • 00:41:40.421 --> 00:41:42.823
  • And you get so far down the road that you just,
  • 00:41:42.823 --> 00:41:46.093
  • Laurie and i have said, and we're a few years ahead
  • 00:41:46.093 --> 00:41:49.663
  • Of you guys, we have said so many times, oh, for
  • 00:41:49.663 --> 00:41:53.267
  • God's sakes, it would be harder to turn around
  • 00:41:53.267 --> 00:41:56.403
  • And go back.
  • 00:41:56.403 --> 00:41:57.738
  • Why do we always have to walk on water?
  • 00:41:57.738 --> 00:41:59.940
  • We're just stuck.
  • 00:41:59.940 --> 00:42:01.976
  • So you might as well just for get up tomorrow, put
  • 00:42:01.976 --> 00:42:03.677
  • Another foot in front.
  • 00:42:03.677 --> 00:42:05.412
  • Just do it.
  • 00:42:05.412 --> 00:42:06.280
  • Just walk on water, baby.
  • 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.182
  • And it just ends up being that here we are sitting
  • 00:42:08.182 --> 00:42:13.087
  • There telling our inner motivations instead of
  • 00:42:13.087 --> 00:42:19.860
  • Saying, hey, we've got it all together.
  • 00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:21.395
  • We're just saying yes to god.
  • 00:42:21.395 --> 00:42:23.097
  • And that's
  • 00:42:23.097 --> 00:42:23.998
  • All there is.
  • 00:42:23.998 --> 00:42:25.265
  • And gary, his hat.
  • 00:42:25.265 --> 00:42:26.200
  • And it's not easy.
  • 00:42:26.200 --> 00:42:26.900
  • Yes.
  • 00:42:26.900 --> 00:42:27.735
  • It's not easy believing.
  • 00:42:27.735 --> 00:42:28.769
  • Well, that's a good word for us right now.
  • 00:42:28.769 --> 00:42:29.937
  • All i've said for many years, it's just easier
  • 00:42:29.937 --> 00:42:31.338
  • To keep going.
  • 00:42:31.338 --> 00:42:32.706
  • It'd be harder to unwind it.
  • 00:42:32.706 --> 00:42:34.942
  • It's a walk of, and all they know in that moment,
  • 00:42:34.942 --> 00:42:38.145
  • All they know is that there's chariots
  • 00:42:38.145 --> 00:42:41.682
  • Following them into the red sea.
  • 00:42:41.682 --> 00:42:43.517
  • They don't know how the story ends.
  • 00:42:43.517 --> 00:42:44.952
  • And so i keep thinking and finding hope in that,
  • 00:42:44.952 --> 00:42:47.154
  • He has always been faithful.
  • 00:42:47.154 --> 00:42:49.757
  • I remember somebody told me about a quote, i think
  • 00:42:49.757 --> 00:42:51.425
  • It might've been hudson taylor that said, if you
  • 00:42:51.425 --> 00:42:53.794
  • Do god's will god's way, everything you need is
  • 00:42:53.794 --> 00:42:56.897
  • Going to come.
  • 00:42:56.897 --> 00:42:57.998
  • And that has been true so far.
  • 00:42:57.998 --> 00:43:02.936
  • So i can't wait to get to march 2nd and watch how
  • 00:43:02.936 --> 00:43:05.506
  • It all proved true.
  • 00:43:05.506 --> 00:43:06.573
  • When laurie and i were in cesarea, israel with a
  • 00:43:06.573 --> 00:43:11.011
  • Big group that we had taken, and it was
  • 00:43:11.011 --> 00:43:14.615
  • Probably the last time my dad spoke publicly before
  • 00:43:14.615 --> 00:43:19.086
  • He passed, and he was placing the mantle of tbn
  • 00:43:19.086 --> 00:43:24.558
  • On laurie and i.
  • 00:43:24.558 --> 00:43:25.826
  • Wow.
  • 00:43:25.826 --> 00:43:27.161
  • And standing in front of that amazing place where
  • 00:43:27.161 --> 00:43:31.365
  • Agrippa said, paul, you have almost persuaded me.
  • 00:43:31.365 --> 00:43:36.470
  • I mean we're standing, we're right there
  • 00:43:36.470 --> 00:43:37.271
  • In that same place.
  • 00:43:37.271 --> 00:43:38.806
  • It was a big moment.
  • 00:43:38.806 --> 00:43:40.741
  • He said, the mantle that the lord placed on your
  • 00:43:40.741 --> 00:43:44.445
  • Mother and i so many years ago, i now with
  • 00:43:44.445 --> 00:43:47.314
  • Love and joy place on you.
  • 00:43:47.314 --> 00:43:51.552
  • And there was this moment there that that was happening.
  • 00:43:51.552 --> 00:43:57.191
  • He had spent about 15 minutes speaking to
  • 00:43:57.191 --> 00:44:04.031
  • Make one point.
  • 00:44:04.031 --> 00:44:06.100
  • And he said, why does god always wait till the
  • 00:44:06.100 --> 00:44:08.368
  • Last five minutes?
  • 00:44:08.368 --> 00:44:10.637
  • Why does he do that?
  • 00:44:10.637 --> 00:44:12.539
  • The last-- why is he?
  • 00:44:12.539 --> 00:44:14.808
  • And he used that exact thing, the egyptian
  • 00:44:14.808 --> 00:44:17.044
  • Swooping down and the red sea.
  • 00:44:17.044 --> 00:44:19.747
  • And why?
  • 00:44:19.747 --> 00:44:20.581
  • Why?
  • 00:44:20.581 --> 00:44:22.082
  • And it was the only time that-- i had heard him use
  • 00:44:22.082 --> 00:44:26.954
  • That kind of sermon a couple other times.
  • 00:44:26.954 --> 00:44:31.625
  • But it was the only time that he ever said, he
  • 00:44:31.625 --> 00:44:34.228
  • Followed up by saying, one time in quiet time, i
  • 00:44:34.228 --> 00:44:36.797
  • Really pressed the lord for an answer.
  • 00:44:36.797 --> 00:44:40.267
  • And he actually answered me.
  • 00:44:40.267 --> 00:44:42.236
  • And he said it was simple but profound so that no
  • 00:44:42.236 --> 00:44:46.373
  • Man can get the glory.
  • 00:44:46.373 --> 00:44:48.375
  • That's right.
  • 00:44:48.375 --> 00:44:50.277
  • So out the idea that you say yes, and then you
  • 00:44:50.277 --> 00:44:54.081
  • Say, okay, god, but you have to do it.
  • 00:44:54.081 --> 00:44:56.750
  • But worry is simply doubting that.
  • 00:44:56.750 --> 00:44:59.620
  • Right?
  • 00:44:59.620 --> 00:45:01.288
  • So lemme explain something to you.
  • 00:45:01.288 --> 00:45:02.823
  • The spiritual warfare is right here.
  • 00:45:02.823 --> 00:45:04.925
  • That's right.
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  • Amen.
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  • It is true
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  • For all of you too.
  • 00:45:10.964 --> 00:45:13.000
  • If you are going to say yes, then you have to win
  • 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.068
  • The war right here.
  • 00:45:15.068 --> 00:45:16.270
  • Believe well.
  • 00:45:16.270 --> 00:45:17.604
  • The battlefield is the mind and believe
  • 00:45:17.604 --> 00:45:20.274
  • Well. david didn't beat goliath because he was a
  • 00:45:20.274 --> 00:45:23.410
  • Mighty warrior.
  • 00:45:23.410 --> 00:45:24.745
  • He believed well, okay.
  • 00:45:24.745 --> 00:45:28.382
  • He believed that if i took care of the lion and
  • 00:45:28.382 --> 00:45:31.285
  • The bear-- god delivered me from the lion
  • 00:45:31.285 --> 00:45:34.421
  • And the bear.
  • 00:45:34.421 --> 00:45:36.890
  • So what's with this now?
  • 00:45:36.890 --> 00:45:39.126
  • So it's always where you place your trust.
  • 00:45:39.126 --> 00:45:43.964
  • And he's never late.
  • 00:45:43.964 --> 00:45:46.066
  • It's beautiful actually.
  • 00:45:46.066 --> 00:45:48.368
  • He's always right on time.
  • 00:45:48.368 --> 00:45:50.537
  • He's always right on time.
  • 00:45:50.537 --> 00:45:52.739
  • And so it's beautifully actual that we are
  • 00:45:52.739 --> 00:45:56.076
  • Talking about a global event.
  • 00:45:56.076 --> 00:45:57.911
  • Gather 25, tbn is a part of broadcasting this.
  • 00:45:57.911 --> 00:46:02.616
  • So you're going to get a big chunk and kind of
  • 00:46:02.616 --> 00:46:05.619
  • Tbn+.
  • 00:46:05.619 --> 00:46:07.120
  • Yeah, tbn+ is 24 hours.
  • 00:46:07.120 --> 00:46:08.956
  • 25 hours,
  • 00:46:08.956 --> 00:46:09.923
  • 25, 25, 25 hours
  • 00:46:09.923 --> 00:46:11.758
  • And all of that.
  • 00:46:11.758 --> 00:46:13.927
  • But we're talking about it in a way that we're
  • 00:46:13.927 --> 00:46:17.764
  • Not sitting up here kind of going, wait a second,
  • 00:46:17.764 --> 00:46:21.768
  • We've got this all figured out and doing one
  • 00:46:21.768 --> 00:46:24.037
  • Of these things.
  • 00:46:24.037 --> 00:46:25.606
  • It's like, oh god, right?
  • 00:46:25.606 --> 00:46:27.875
  • Help. oh god.
  • 00:46:27.875 --> 00:46:29.977
  • And by the way, i was having a oh god moment
  • 00:46:29.977 --> 00:46:34.314
  • Not long ago, and my pastor the next sunday
  • 00:46:34.314 --> 00:46:38.485
  • Said, and by the way, literally pointed at us
  • 00:46:38.485 --> 00:46:42.656
  • And said, oh by the way, god loves it when you
  • 00:46:42.656 --> 00:46:44.691
  • Say, oh god,
  • 00:46:44.691 --> 00:46:48.762
  • That's right.
  • 00:46:48.762 --> 00:46:50.831
  • And i went, he does.
  • 00:46:50.831 --> 00:46:53.433
  • Yes, i could do that really good.
  • 00:46:53.433 --> 00:46:56.803
  • Yeah, exactly.
  • 00:46:56.803 --> 00:46:58.272
  • I send that a few times.
  • 00:46:58.272 --> 00:46:59.840
  • Oh, you guys have been god help has been
  • 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:01.108
  • My, oh god.
  • 00:47:01.108 --> 00:47:02.542
  • And i say it in the car all the time.
  • 00:47:02.542 --> 00:47:03.977
  • I mean, sometimes i just don't even know what to pray.
  • 00:47:03.977 --> 00:47:05.846
  • It's just god help, god help this little fire
  • 00:47:05.846 --> 00:47:07.114
  • That came up in this other country and the
  • 00:47:07.114 --> 00:47:08.582
  • Logistics that are going with that.
  • 00:47:08.582 --> 00:47:09.783
  • God, help with the finances, god help with
  • 00:47:09.783 --> 00:47:12.786
  • The worship leader that canceled at the last minute.
  • 00:47:12.786 --> 00:47:13.787
  • God, help.
  • 00:47:13.787 --> 00:47:15.722
  • And i just find he has been helping.
  • 00:47:15.722 --> 00:47:19.459
  • Of course he's made this happen.
  • 00:47:19.459 --> 00:47:20.894
  • But you're right about the glory.
  • 00:47:20.894 --> 00:47:23.263
  • I mean, let it be said as clearly as i can say it all.
  • 00:47:23.263 --> 00:47:26.733
  • The only thing that i did was say, yes. everything
  • 00:47:26.733 --> 00:47:30.404
  • Else has sprung up around me.
  • 00:47:30.404 --> 00:47:33.340
  • Even our relationship, we sit down together
  • 00:47:33.340 --> 00:47:36.810
  • 18 months ago and the fact that this is getting
  • 00:47:36.810 --> 00:47:38.245
  • Aired on tb and i couldn't have made
  • 00:47:38.245 --> 00:47:39.313
  • That happen.
  • 00:47:39.313 --> 00:47:40.447
  • Favor of god. and every little part of this story
  • 00:47:40.447 --> 00:47:43.283
  • Has just been his story.
  • 00:47:43.283 --> 00:47:44.618
  • And so i really am, thank you for the word.
  • 00:47:44.618 --> 00:47:48.255
  • I will leave here and probably have a good
  • 00:47:48.255 --> 00:47:50.023
  • Little cry because as it gets closer, the
  • 00:47:50.023 --> 00:47:52.893
  • Intensity picks up.
  • 00:47:52.893 --> 00:47:54.561
  • And i do trust him.
  • 00:47:54.561 --> 00:47:56.530
  • He's been faithful.
  • 00:47:56.530 --> 00:47:58.198
  • But yeah, it is scary still.
  • 00:47:58.198 --> 00:48:00.300
  • Well, so there is something that you
  • 00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:01.735
  • Can do today.
  • 00:48:01.735 --> 00:48:02.936
  • You can pray.
  • 00:48:02.936 --> 00:48:03.837
  • Yes.
  • 00:48:03.837 --> 00:48:04.638
  • You can pray for this.
  • 00:48:04.638 --> 00:48:05.706
  • This is happening starting february 28th,
  • 00:48:05.706 --> 00:48:08.108
  • Right here on tv.
  • 00:48:08.108 --> 00:48:09.910
  • And it starts live from watermark church at
  • 00:48:09.910 --> 00:48:13.513
  • 7 o'clock. 8:00 pm,
  • 00:48:13.513 --> 00:48:16.650
  • 8:00 pm eastern.
  • 00:48:16.650 --> 00:48:17.484
  • Yeah.
  • 00:48:17.484 --> 00:48:18.385
  • Seven o'clock here in dallas.
  • 00:48:18.385 --> 00:48:20.153
  • And we'll go 25 hours, four live on the
  • 00:48:20.153 --> 00:48:24.157
  • Network that day.
  • 00:48:24.157 --> 00:48:25.425
  • I know it airs the next day with some, but on tbn+,
  • 00:48:25.425 --> 00:48:27.327
  • It's the whole 25 hours across the world
  • 00:48:27.327 --> 00:48:30.364
  • And this thing is going to happen.
  • 00:48:30.364 --> 00:48:33.100
  • I love though that sometimes when someone
  • 00:48:33.100 --> 00:48:36.103
  • Drops out or that you just have to go, okay,
  • 00:48:36.103 --> 00:48:40.874
  • What's next?
  • 00:48:40.874 --> 00:48:42.142
  • Yeah, okay, that's the will of god.
  • 00:48:42.142 --> 00:48:44.778
  • Let's see what god does now.
  • 00:48:44.778 --> 00:48:46.613
  • And he has done
  • 00:48:46.613 --> 00:48:48.248
  • That, yes.
  • 00:48:48.248 --> 00:48:49.449
  • And so you can pray, you can pray for all the team.
  • 00:48:49.449 --> 00:48:52.119
  • God has put together an amazing team, the
  • 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.087
  • Gathered 25 team, the tbn team that has been
  • 00:48:54.087 --> 00:48:56.923
  • All over this.
  • 00:48:56.923 --> 00:48:58.291
  • We're all ready, willing, and able, and let's go.
  • 00:48:58.291 --> 00:49:01.928
  • We're excited.
  • 00:49:01.928 --> 00:49:03.063
  • I want to
  • 00:49:03.063 --> 00:49:04.264
  • Give you guys the final word, but i want to say
  • 00:49:04.264 --> 00:49:05.699
  • Something that it's almost like where we
  • 00:49:05.699 --> 00:49:08.635
  • Started this broadcast and where
  • 00:49:08.635 --> 00:49:10.137
  • We're finishing.
  • 00:49:10.137 --> 00:49:11.338
  • I kind of just got this thought that it almost is
  • 00:49:11.338 --> 00:49:15.942
  • What i did with bill bright and how your lives
  • 00:49:15.942 --> 00:49:20.414
  • Were affected by campus crusade and dr. bill
  • 00:49:20.414 --> 00:49:24.418
  • Bright and that it feels like this giant episode
  • 00:49:24.418 --> 00:49:29.122
  • Of the tv show that i used to do with him
  • 00:49:29.122 --> 00:49:32.092
  • Called new life 2000.
  • 00:49:32.092 --> 00:49:33.994
  • And it was always this encouraging thing and
  • 00:49:33.994 --> 00:49:37.998
  • Everyone always, it was bill bright's intention
  • 00:49:37.998 --> 00:49:41.868
  • That when you finished investing the time
  • 00:49:41.868 --> 00:49:46.173
  • Watching the program, new life 2000, that you were
  • 00:49:46.173 --> 00:49:49.843
  • Encouraged to say, i didn't know i was on a
  • 00:49:49.843 --> 00:49:53.213
  • Winning team.
  • 00:49:53.213 --> 00:49:54.581
  • Almost like when the prophet said, open the
  • 00:49:54.581 --> 00:49:57.551
  • Eyes of my servant so that he can see there are
  • 00:49:57.551 --> 00:50:00.821
  • More for us than against us.
  • 00:50:00.821 --> 00:50:03.390
  • And it feels like that was new life 2000.
  • 00:50:03.390 --> 00:50:06.460
  • This is gather 25 and it is a unveiling of
  • 00:50:06.460 --> 00:50:13.300
  • What is happening.
  • 00:50:13.300 --> 00:50:16.403
  • It's exactly what god's doing.
  • 00:50:16.403 --> 00:50:17.771
  • In the earth.
  • 00:50:17.771 --> 00:50:19.172
  • His glory revealed for 25 hours gathered 25.
  • 00:50:19.172 --> 00:50:24.611
  • Final thought is your guys.
  • 00:50:24.611 --> 00:50:26.379
  • Yeah, i mean, i just want to say you are a part
  • 00:50:26.379 --> 00:50:30.150
  • Of the story.
  • 00:50:30.150 --> 00:50:32.018
  • This isn't about special people and special places
  • 00:50:32.018 --> 00:50:34.988
  • Doing special things.
  • 00:50:34.988 --> 00:50:36.089
  • The bible wasn't about that either.
  • 00:50:36.089 --> 00:50:38.125
  • This is his story.
  • 00:50:38.125 --> 00:50:39.259
  • God's story is about every day people saying
  • 00:50:39.259 --> 00:50:42.162
  • Yes to him and god doing the impossible and
  • 00:50:42.162 --> 00:50:45.332
  • Miraculous through them.
  • 00:50:45.332 --> 00:50:47.634
  • And so don't count yourselves out.
  • 00:50:47.634 --> 00:50:50.303
  • And yes, being a part of gather 25 and hosting
  • 00:50:50.303 --> 00:50:53.807
  • People will give you everything you need.
  • 00:50:53.807 --> 00:50:56.143
  • It's a scary venture that is a part of it.
  • 00:50:56.143 --> 00:50:58.778
  • You can sign up@gathertwentyfive.com
  • 00:50:58.778 --> 00:51:00.480
  • And you can see the way that god could use you in
  • 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:03.950
  • This story, in this moment in time.
  • 00:51:03.950 --> 00:51:05.986
  • It's historic.
  • 00:51:05.986 --> 00:51:07.120
  • The church has never been able to gather like this
  • 00:51:07.120 --> 00:51:08.955
  • Before, but it's so much bigger than that.
  • 00:51:08.955 --> 00:51:12.559
  • The prayer of this whole thing is that every one
  • 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:14.928
  • Of us would leave this gathering and believe
  • 00:51:14.928 --> 00:51:18.031
  • That god can use us in our places because we
  • 00:51:18.031 --> 00:51:21.234
  • Don't know when he's coming back.
  • 00:51:21.234 --> 00:51:22.536
  • And it could be in our lifetime.
  • 00:51:22.536 --> 00:51:24.070
  • And if he were to come back in our lifetime, i
  • 00:51:24.070 --> 00:51:25.939
  • Am this girl who thinks i just want to have left
  • 00:51:25.939 --> 00:51:29.075
  • Everything on the field.
  • 00:51:29.075 --> 00:51:30.644
  • I want to get to heaven.
  • 00:51:30.644 --> 00:51:31.945
  • And as much as it concerns me,
  • 00:51:31.945 --> 00:51:34.848
  • I'm out of breath.
  • 00:51:34.848 --> 00:51:35.982
  • And i'm like, i'm here.
  • 00:51:35.982 --> 00:51:37.551
  • I did my best.
  • 00:51:37.551 --> 00:51:38.718
  • And he's like, yeah, i got you girl.
  • 00:51:38.718 --> 00:51:40.020
  • Thank you.
  • 00:51:40.020 --> 00:51:41.188
  • And that was fun, wasn't it?
  • 00:51:41.188 --> 00:51:42.689
  • I think that's how it's been.
  • 00:51:42.689 --> 00:51:43.924
  • And i think if there's one thing my story can do
  • 00:51:43.924 --> 00:51:45.492
  • To encourage you is that saying yes to god is
  • 00:51:45.492 --> 00:51:48.161
  • Scary as heck, but it is also, there is no other
  • 00:51:48.161 --> 00:51:50.664
  • Way you want to live.
  • 00:51:50.664 --> 00:51:53.466
  • It is so full of joy and so full of abundance and
  • 00:51:53.466 --> 00:51:56.069
  • I mean we both can't imagine any other way
  • 00:51:56.069 --> 00:52:00.373
  • Of living.
  • 00:52:00.373 --> 00:52:01.675
  • It has just been a wild, risky adventure.
  • 00:52:01.675 --> 00:52:05.879
  • Final thought.
  • 00:52:05.879 --> 00:52:06.913
  • Yeah.
  • 00:52:06.913 --> 00:52:08.415
  • I think of that one believer in a tough to
  • 00:52:08.415 --> 00:52:13.453
  • Reach country that's tuning in and says,
  • 00:52:13.453 --> 00:52:17.290
  • I'm all alone.
  • 00:52:17.290 --> 00:52:18.858
  • Or that widow that's in an apartment in america
  • 00:52:18.858 --> 00:52:22.729
  • And they don't have any community around them and
  • 00:52:22.729 --> 00:52:26.199
  • They're discouraged and in that closed country
  • 00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:29.202
  • That that guy says here, it may not be hard to
  • 00:52:29.202 --> 00:52:33.707
  • Become a christian, but because of the
  • 00:52:33.707 --> 00:52:35.609
  • Persecution, it's really hard to stay a christian.
  • 00:52:35.609 --> 00:52:38.311
  • We want that guy watching,
  • 00:52:38.311 --> 00:52:42.015
  • Those people watching to be encouraged like you are
  • 00:52:42.015 --> 00:52:45.552
  • On the winning team and god is on the move
  • 00:52:45.552 --> 00:52:48.655
  • All around you.
  • 00:52:48.655 --> 00:52:51.291
  • Let's be obedient in our places
  • 00:52:51.291 --> 00:52:53.159
  • And watch god work.
  • 00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:54.995
  • There are more for us than against us.
  • 00:52:54.995 --> 00:52:56.763
  • That's right.
  • 00:52:56.763 --> 00:52:58.031
  • We're going to prove that on february 28th at 8:00 pm.
  • 00:52:58.031 --> 00:53:00.667
  • That's when it starts. all the next day.
  • 00:53:00.667 --> 00:53:03.169
  • There's a whole bunch of information that you're
  • 00:53:03.169 --> 00:53:05.405
  • Going to get about this.
  • 00:53:05.405 --> 00:53:06.940
  • We're encouraged to be a part of gather 25.
  • 00:53:06.940 --> 00:53:08.275
  • Thank you guys.
  • 00:53:08.275 --> 00:53:09.442
  • Great to be here.
  • 00:53:09.442 --> 00:53:10.477
  • I'm so excited.
  • 00:53:10.477 --> 00:53:11.278
  • Let's do it.
  • 00:53:11.278 --> 00:53:11.911
  • See you next time.
  • 00:53:11.911 --> 00:53:12.545
  • Bye-bye.
  • 00:53:12.545 --> 00:53:13.079
  • ♪♪
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