Big Hit Songs | Remember the Music

November 17, 2025 | S1 E5 | 25:0

Big Hit Songs chronicles the early days of Nicole C Mullen, Jaci Velasquez, Wayne Watson and First Call, to them exploding on the music scene becoming CCM greats.

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Remember the Music | Big Hit Songs | Remember the Music | November 17, 2025
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  • >>i'm still the little
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  • Girl from cincinnati, ohio who gave her heart to jesus at the
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  • Age of 8. i mean, what other life-changing power outside of
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  • Him and his word exists.
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  • [music]
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  • Jaci velasquez: hello! my name
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  • Is jaci velasquez and i'd like to welcome you to this episode
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  • Of remember the music. we have a great show for you featuring
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  • Nicole c. mullen, wayne watson, first call, and yours truly.
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  • Let's start with nicole. mother, recording artist, songwriter,
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  • Mentor these are just a few words that describe the heart of
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  • My friend, nicole c. mullen. she's won 7 dove awards,
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  • Including songwriter of the year for “redeemer” and “on my
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  • Knees”, a number one radio hit in my career that i'll be
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  • Performing later in the show. nicole started out as a
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  • Background singer for the likes of amy grant, michael w. smith
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  • And the newsboys, to name a few, before launching out on her own.
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  • Nicole c. mullen: well, you know, i used to be a background
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  • Singer for amy. back in the day i was one of her singers and
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  • Loved it. just remember even the first time she took me on tour
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  • With her i was coming, i was having another transition in
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  • Life, and it was just, i was po'broke, the whole nine. so she
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  • Took me on tour, and i remember just even getting my own hotel
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  • Room and just jumping on the bed going, yes, yes, yes! >>i think
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  • Hearing the artists sing some of these songs again, my friend,
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  • Nicole c. mullen, was just singing ‘i know my redeemer
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  • Lives' and she's been through a tough year and to have her get
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  • Up and sing that song, it's like, wow! so i just had dinner
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  • With her and just thanking the lord for his faithfulness. so
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  • The songs are coming back and ministering to the people that
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  • Are singing them. you know? that's pretty cool. >>posted on
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  • Facebook a few months ago of a huge transition that i've
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  • Undergone in the past few months. and i said to them, i
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  • Said, it's ironic because at the age of 12 it was prophesied to
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  • Me as a child that god would give me songs in the night. and
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  • I thought for the longest he would give me songs in the pm of
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  • The day because i was a night owl. it didn't hit me until
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  • Several years, you know, many years later that he was not just
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  • Talking about the pm of the day, but the night seasons of life.
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  • So in my own seasons, whether they are, you know, the sun is
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  • Shining bright or can't find it at all, these very words are
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  • Sang over me. and again even with “redeemer”, even recently,
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  • It was the very same god that spins things in orbit, he runs
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  • To the weary, the worn and the weak, and the same gentle hands
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  • That hold me when i'm broken, they conquered death to bring me
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  • Victory. so i could say i know my redeemer lives. you know, and
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  • So for me it's the one who is able to buy back my pain, my
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  • Shame, my failures. he's able to take those things and work it
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  • Together for my good. he is alive and he is well. and
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  • Because of that i can face tomorrow, and the next day, and
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  • The next day, and the next day. and so i love him more today
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  • Than i did before because i see him in new and fresh ways every
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  • Day, and he's true to his word. he never leaves us nor forsakes
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  • Us. and so this is what i declare. [chuckles] when i hear
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  • Stories from all over the world, i really know it's not a nicole
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  • C. mullen thing, but it really is the spirit of god, because i
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  • Can only be in one place at a time, and i have no powers to
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  • Change a life. but when i hear that lives are being changed,
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  • Again i know it was to the glory of god. we have baby girls club;
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  • It's a 501c3 that i started years ago and we have kids,
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  • Actually, we have baby girls and we have champions now. so we
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  • Have girls and guys and we get together. we sing, we dance, we
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  • Do homework, we memorize scripture, bible study, we eat.
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  • We do conflict resolution, which means we break up fights.
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  • [chuckles] but we're really there to, me and some other
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  • Great friends of mine, to disciple the younger generation
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  • In the gospel of jesus christ. and now not only do we have it
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  • In franklin, tennessee, we have units, or chapters, in belize,
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  • The country of belize. and also baby girls club models in the
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  • Country of zambia as well. and i believe that the lord has
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  • Allowed that to be facilitated because i've been a part of ccm.
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  • And so, for me, the stage is not the end all, even though i love
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  • Being able to sing. but even more than that i love being able
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  • To effectively change lives through jesus christ and to
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  • Deliver that kind of a message, whether it's through music or
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  • Through teaching or through just hugging and loving on somebody.
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  • Well, i'm singing a “redeemer”, which i'll probably be singing
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  • Till i'm like 103. i know that i know that i know, and it'll
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  • Still be true. but for me, people have asked me often,
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  • Like, you know, what goes through your mind when you're
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  • Singing that? and i say often it's warfare. you know?
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  • Sometimes i'm declaring, like, because of-and sometimes it's in
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  • Spite of. and to me, i think, sometimes the most expensive
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  • Worship is the worship that has pain in the offering. and so
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  • Sometimes it's a declaration of my faith; in the face of the
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  • Enemy that would send arrows of doubt or despair or whatever it
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  • Might be, or heartache. it's a stance that say, you know, the
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  • Righteous may fall seven times, but they get up every single
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  • Time. and every time i get up, i will declare again, i know that
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  • I know that i know that i know that i know that my redeemer, he
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  • Lives! [applause]
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ who taught the sun ♪
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  • ♪ where to stand in the morning ♪
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  • ♪ and who told the ocean ♪
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  • ♪ you can only come this far ♪
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  • ♪ and who showed the moon ♪
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  • ♪ where to hide till evening ♪
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  • ♪ whose words alone can catch a falling star ♪
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  • ♪ well, i know my redeemer lives ♪
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  • ♪ i know my redeemer lives ♪
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  • ♪ all of creation testifies ♪
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  • ♪ this life within me cries ♪
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  • ♪ i know my redeemer lives ♪
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  • ♪ oh, yeah, yeah ♪
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  • ♪ the very same god that spins things in orbit ♪
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  • ♪ he runs to the weary, worn, and the weak ♪
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  • ♪ and the same gentle hands ♪
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  • ♪ that hold me when i'm broken ♪
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  • ♪ they conquer death to bring me victory ♪
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  • ♪ now i know my redeemer lives ♪
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  • ♪ see, i know my redeemer lives ♪
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  • ♪ so let all creation testify ♪
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  • ♪ let this life within me cry ♪
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  • ♪ i know my redeemer lives ♪
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  • ♪ and i know my redeemer, he lives ♪
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  • ♪ see, i know my redeemer lives ♪
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  • ♪ so let all creation testify ♪
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  • ♪ let this life within me cry ♪
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  • ♪ i know my redeemer lives ♪
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  • ♪ yes, let all creation testify ♪
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  • ♪ let this life within me cry ♪
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  • ♪ i know my redeemer lives ♪
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  • ♪ yes, i know my redeemer lives ♪
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  • [applause] [music]
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  • [music]
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  • Jaci velasquez: welcome back! it's always a little weird
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  • Talking about yourself, but here goes. i was 16 when i debuted on
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  • The ccm scene. and i'm thankful to have had 16 #1 singles, 7
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  • Dove awards, authored 3 books, acted in 7 films, recorded
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  • Albums in english and spanish, and i've hosted a radio show.
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  • God has been so good to me. i've also suffered tremendous
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  • Heartache, but i've learned to trust god, whether in laughter
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  • Or pain through it all and often on my knees.
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ ‘cause i've learned in laughter or in pain ♪
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  • ♪ how to survive
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  • ♪ i get on my knees
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  • ♪ there i am before the love that changes me ♪
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  • ♪ see, i don't know how but there's power ♪
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  • ♪ when i'm on my knees ♪
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ i can be in a crowd ♪
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  • ♪ or by myself or almost anywhere ♪
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  • ♪ when i feel there's a need to talk with god ♪
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  • ♪ he is emmanuel ♪
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  • ♪ when i close my eyes no darkness there ♪
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  • ♪ there's only light ♪
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  • ♪ i get on my knees
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  • ♪ i get on my knees ♪
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  • ♪ there i am before the love that changes me ♪
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  • ♪ oh, see, i don't know how but there is power ♪
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  • ♪ only when i'm on my on my knees ♪
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  • [applause]
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  • Jaci velasquez: wayne watson.
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  • His voice and songs helped shape an entire
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  • Genre of christian music in the 80s and 90s. wayne's been
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  • Honored with a dozen dove awards and 23 #1 singles. wayne's
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  • Passionate about reaching the millions that are unaffiliated
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  • With any faith. he believes that the church and this generation
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  • Is called for such a time as this. wayne watson: well, i
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  • Started a long time ago. my first record came out of 1980.
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  • It was on vinyl and 8-track. i think there's got to be a big
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  • Room somewhere, a big building full of 8-tracks somewhere.
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  • [chuckles] people go what are we going to do with this stuff?
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  • Early on in the early days of what we are calling ccm, most of
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  • Us tried to write, at least from my observation, most of us tried
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  • To write what we thought people expected us to write. and then
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  • It was all very guarded, and very shielded, and in some
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  • Respects that probably gave off the impression of, to a
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  • Listener, like, wish i were that way. i'm not that. boy, you
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  • Should see some of the things i've thought or heard or said.
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  • And as the years went on i tried to write songs about things that
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  • Were maybe not so happy with not an answer to every question. and
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  • That's what i love about it now, is it's much more authentic now
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  • Than it was; about feelings. people share feelings more
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  • Readily now, and i hope that'll just continue the next 30 or 40
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  • Years, that people will express their feelings. because that
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  • Growing population of non-affiliated, they don't want
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  • To be beaten to death with holy pious rhetoric. they want to
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  • Know that you have the same thoughts as i do and you have
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  • The same struggles that i do. and so if those walls can
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  • Continue to be torn and stay down that'll be great.
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  • [applause] [music]
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  • ♪ little watercolor ponies ♪
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  • ♪ on my refrigerator door ♪
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  • ♪ and the shape of something ♪
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  • ♪ i don't really recognize ♪
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ brushed with careful little fingers ♪
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  • ♪ and put proudly on display ♪
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  • ♪ her reminder to us all of how time flies ♪
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ oh, baby what will we do ♪
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  • ♪ when it comes back to me and you ♪
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  • ♪ they look a little less like little boys everyday ♪
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  • ♪ oh, the pleasure of watching little children grow ♪
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  • ♪ is mixed with a bitter cup of knowing ♪
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  • ♪ the water color ponies are gonna one day ♪
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  • ♪ oh, the water color ponies are gonna one day ♪
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  • ♪ one day ride away
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  • [music]
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  • Jaci velasquez: when marabeth jordan, bonnie keen,
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  • And marty mccall first met in the 80s, they quickly rose to
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  • The top in record producer circles as the first call when
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  • Needing background vocalists or jingle singers in nashville.
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  • They lent their beautiful harmonies to many artists
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  • Projects then later toured as backup singers for amy and sandi
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  • And many more. road life quickly took a turn homeward when they
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  • Started having families, and they all agreed they would never
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  • Become a group and tour again. not only did they record 13
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  • Albums and receive 3 dove awards, but once again marty,
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  • Bonnie, and new member, mel tunney, were the first call that
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  • Legendary record executive, stan moser, made when looking for
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  • Background singers for the live dvd taping of the landmark
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  • Concert “we will stand”. stan moser: the group was prepared,
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  • Marty, and mel, and bonnie, to go on stage and sing “undivide”"
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  • Until the day of rehearsals. and that's where we delivered the
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  • Message to them, that, no, actually you're gonna be on
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  • Stage for the entire show, and you're gonna sing background
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  • Vocals for all of these other artists. and they were quite
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  • Overwhelmed at first because that meant that in about a day
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  • And a half they had to learn about 50 songs. >>so we began as
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  • A studio group and, really, had sort of said to each, well, not
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  • Sort of, we had said to each other, we're not going on the
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  • Road. right? right! not going on the road. we're not gonna be an
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  • Artist. right? right! we only want to do backgrounds and that
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  • Kind of thing. >>no records. >>no records. right? right! and
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  • We all agreed, and we were, we very much wanted that. well, my
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  • Husband and i, i had just written “undivided” and my
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  • Husband and i were asked to do a thing at gma for a bunch of
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  • Ministers of music, and just come and sing some of our songs.
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  • And so i had just finished writing it, and they had demo'd
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  • It with me. and so i asked if they would come and we could
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  • Just sing “undivided”. i said i know you guys don't know it, and
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  • So they graciously said yes. and so we ran over it real quick
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  • Before we left; got over there and just sang it. and really, it
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  • Was the first time we ever sang together live, because again, we
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  • Had said we're not going to do this so there's no reason to
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  • Ever walk down that road. so we got back in the car to go back
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  • To this session, and i remember us all being really quiet. and
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  • In hindsight it was because we all knew that something had
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  • Happened when we sang live. and we, none of us wanted to admit
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  • It, because we had already agreed we weren't going to do
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  • This. >>no more buses. >>and so we were just all kind of quiet
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  • Going back and i don't even remember what happened after
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  • That, it was a couple of weeks later that one of us brought it
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  • Up, and said, you know, god did something that day, and we need
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  • To at least say that. and the other two jumped in. i don't
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  • Even remember who said it, but i just remember it was just all of
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  • A sudden a very unanimous, yes he did, and we don't need to
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  • Tell god what to do. and if the lord does want to open up some
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  • Ministry for us. and so that's, we really kind of backed into
  • 00:18:46.171 --> 00:18:50.075
  • Becoming any kind of artist. and then shortly after that sandi
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  • Asked us to go on the road with her and, you know, that's when
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  • We did the first project. and keith produced three or four
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  • Things on that. we had a couple of different producers, but
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  • That's just a fun thing to remember. >>part of the fun
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  • About working with these guys is i knew they could sing anything.
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  • So like i said earlier, it was like having a keyboard that i
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  • Could just experiment and they would sing it. you know? and
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  • They were so kind about it, you know. >>it was amazing and he
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  • Also, he did torture us a little bit. [chuckles] one solo he made
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  • Me sing with a huge sweet tart in my, a giant, i can't look at
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  • A sweet tart the same way ever again, because whenever it
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  • Started to melt the second engineer would take me another
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  • One. my entire solo was because it made me use my, change my
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  • Palate, or position in my mouth and a different sound definitely
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  • Came out. when i hear that solo, i think there was sweet tart in
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  • My mouth that was this big. >>yeah. >>and we were just a
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  • Vehicle but what i learned through that was how to just
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  • Release it all to the lord. you know? we weren't in control. we
  • 00:19:56.341 --> 00:20:00.946
  • Did what was fun. we did what we enjoyed doing. you know? and
  • 00:20:00.946 --> 00:20:04.316
  • What we felt like was meaningful, but you have to let
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  • It go in order to allow the holy spirit to use these words and
  • 00:20:08.120 --> 00:20:13.592
  • These songs. and they go all over the world and you hear from
  • 00:20:13.592 --> 00:20:16.495
  • People who are having experiences, and that's just
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  • God, that's just god and that's it. jaci velasquez: thank you so
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  • Much for joining us. we hope you've been lifted up and
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  • Inspired by hearing from the heart of these worshipers:
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  • Nicole, wayne, first call's bonnie, marty, mel, and myself.
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  • We couldn't do what we do if it weren't for you, our wonderful
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  • Friends. join us next time for more amazing stories about your
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  • Favorite legendary ccm artists. god bless you and we'll see you
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  • Soon.
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ we're undivided
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  • ♪ bound by his spirit
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  • ♪ forevermore
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  • ♪ undivided
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  • ♪ it doesn't matter
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  • ♪ if we agree ♪
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  • ♪ all he asks
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  • ♪ is that we serve him ♪
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  • ♪ faithfully
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  • ♪ and that we love ♪
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  • ♪ as he first loved us
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  • ♪ he's made us in his image ♪
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  • ♪ [in his image] ♪
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  • ♪ and in his eyes we're all the same ♪
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  • ♪ oh, oh and though our methods they may be different ♪
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  • ♪ jesus is the one that will remain ♪
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  • ♪ in our hearts we're undivided ♪
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  • ♪ worshiping one savior, one lord ♪
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  • ♪ in our hearts we're undivided ♪
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  • ♪ bound by his spirit forevermore ♪
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  • ♪ in our hearts we're undivided ♪
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  • ♪ worshiping one savior, one lord ♪
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  • ♪ in our hearts we're undivided ♪
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  • ♪ bound by his spirit forevermore ♪
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  • ♪ undivided
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