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Remember the Music

CCM Early Days | Remember the Music

November 17, 2025 | S1 E9 | 24:59

CCM Early Days | Remember the Music
CCM Early Days chronicles the early days of Dallas Holm, Don Francisco, Davis Meece and Petra, to them exploding on the music scene becoming CCM legends.
#WordofGod #Music #Musician #LoveofGod #Praise #Blessing #Worship #PersonalStory #JaciVelasquez #DallasHolm #DonFrancisco #DavisMeece #Petra

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Remember the Music | CCM Early Days | Remember the Music | November 17, 2025
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  • >>i became a christian
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  • In 1965, started at that time i thought if i'm going to live for
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  • Jesus, i'm going to sing for jesus. i can remember going into
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  • Churches and being asked to please not play the electric
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  • Guitar.
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  • [music]
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  • Jaci velasquez: hello! my name is jaci velasquez
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  • And i'd like to welcome you to remember the music. this episode
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  • Showcases some of the pioneers of ccm's early days: dallas
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  • Holm, don francisco, david meece and petra. dallas holm has been
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  • Writing and singing for over 4 decades and has been honored
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  • With many dove awards and number one songs like his all time ccm
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  • Classic “rise again”. he started playing his music before there
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  • Was a christian music business or christian radio or
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  • Television. he paved the way for countless artists to come.
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  • Dallas holm: in times of discussion we came to the
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  • Conclusion none of us really saw the big picture of what even was
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  • At the time or what would be, because i think one of the good
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  • Things about that era, none of us were doing what we did for a
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  • Record deal. there was no record deal to be had. we weren't doing
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  • What we were doing in hopes of a number one song. radio didn't
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  • Even know what to do with our music. so there was no reason to
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  • Do what we did except our lives had been dramatically changed by
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  • Jesus. and the best tool we knew and possessed to proclaim that
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  • Message was our music. you know, a lot of us came from rock bands
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  • Or whatever, and okay, now we're gonna sing about jesus. how do
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  • We do that? how we do it with the same instruments and the
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  • Same volume? and so that was the difficult thing. and i think at
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  • The time we all kind of thought, gee they're just beating up on
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  • Me. oh they were beating up on all of us. [chuckles] now i
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  • Often, we we still minister all over the country, i mean, every
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  • Denomination you can think of, literally, from catholic to
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  • Quaker, everything in between. and in almost every setting on
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  • The platform when we walk in will be the drum set, electric
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  • Guitar, synthesizer, bass; that's the worship team. and i
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  • Want to go up to tehm and say you're welcome. [chuckles]
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  • Because a lot of us fought, literally, some pretty brutal
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  • Battles. i mean, i got walked into pastor's offices more than
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  • Once, you know, telling me about such controversial theological
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  • Issues as the length of my hair or my electric guitar or
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  • Whatever else. you know? they just had these issues. and you
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  • Know, hopefully with grace we listened to it and we factored
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  • All that in. but ultimately, we, as don francisco says so
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  • Eloquently in one of his songs, i've got to tell somebody. so
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  • Long answer to a short question, it's why we do what we do. and i
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  • Hope that's, i hope that's the only reason any of us do what we
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  • Do. if we're doing it for any other reason than the compulsion
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  • And influence of the holy spirit, then it most certainly
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  • Is the wrong reason.
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ go ahead ♪
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  • ♪ drive the nails in my hands ♪
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  • ♪ laugh at me where you stand ♪
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  • ♪ go ahead
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  • ♪ and say it isn't me ♪
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  • ♪ the day will come when you will see ♪
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  • ♪ ‘cause i'll rise again ♪
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  • ♪ ain't no power on earth can tie me down ♪
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  • ♪ yes i'll rise again ♪
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  • ♪ death can't keep me in the ground ♪
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  • ♪ [music]
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  • ♪ go ahead say i'm dead and gone ♪
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  • ♪ but you will see you were wrong ♪
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  • ♪ go ahead try to hide the son ♪
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  • ♪ but all will see that i won ♪
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  • ♪ ‘cause i'll rise again ♪
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  • ♪ ain't no power on earth can tie me down ♪
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  • ♪ yes, i'll rise again ♪
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  • ♪ death can't keep me in the ground ♪
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  • [music]
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  • Jaci velasquez: in this episode of remember the music we're
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  • Hearing from some of the early pioneers of what became known as
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  • Contemporary christian music. when don francisco sat down to
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  • Write “he's alive” in 1976, he intended to write the story
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  • About the resurrection from the bible hero many folks know as
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  • Doubting thomas. from his point of view; trying to get people to
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  • Move from doubt to faith. but he couldn't do it so then he tried
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  • Writing it from peter's point of view, and suddenly everything
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  • Started falling into place, because he understood peter. he
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  • Understood the guilt and shame peter felt from denying christ
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  • As don had strayed from the lord himself. don francisco: i got my
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  • First guitar in a blackjack game when i was supposed to be in
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  • Sunday school. that's really how my music thing started. i was in
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  • Religion up to my eyeballs from the day i was, i was practically
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  • Born on a pew. it was very legalistic and, more or less,
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  • Affection-less kind of situation home life. and by the time i was
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  • Old enough to realize i had some choices to make, i just decided
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  • I was going to get as far away from that kind of life as i
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  • Could. and at the time it was sex, drugs, and rock and roll,
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  • You know. so there i was and i really got into it seriously.
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  • Toward the end, the last couple of years, i was into eastern
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  • Meditation and yoga, and i was a vegetarian, too. sold drugs, did
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  • All kinds of other stuff, but i was a vegetarian. anyway, when
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  • My life changed in 1974, it changed dramatically. like i
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  • Said, i was meditating the eastern style, you know. i'm
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  • Sitting in the full lotus position and just consciously
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  • Trying to be as still and quiet as possible. and i guess i gave
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  • The lord a real good opportunity, because he spoke to
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  • Me so loudly and so clearly i thought he was in the room. this
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  • Is one morning in decatur, georgia in 1974, august of 1974.
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  • And like i said, i was dealing drugs, i was, you know, the
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  • Whole rock-and-roll lifestyle. and what i would have expected
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  • Him to say to me, the way i was raised, is you scumbag, you're
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  • Going to hell in a handbasket, you better change your ways.
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  • What he said was, don, this is jesus, i love you. why do you
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  • Keep running from me? it was like he didn't even notice all
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  • That stuff. it was like it wasn't there. and at the same
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  • Time, you know, paul says in galatians, when it pleased god
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  • To reveal his son in me, that's what he did. he gave me such a
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  • Revelation of who he is it just shattered all that religious
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  • Crap that i'd been raised with.
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ but there was no one there with mary ♪
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  • ♪ so i went down to let her in ♪
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  • ♪ john stood there beside me ♪
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  • ♪ as she told us where she'd been ♪
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  • ♪ she said they've moved him in the night ♪
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  • ♪ none of us knows where ♪
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  • ♪ the stone's been rolled away ♪
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  • ♪ and now his body isn't there ♪
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  • ♪ we both ran toward the garden ♪
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  • ♪ then john ran on ahead ♪
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  • ♪ we found the stone and the empty tomb ♪
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  • ♪ just the way that mary'd said ♪
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  • ♪ but the winding sheet they'd wrapped him in ♪
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  • ♪ was just an empty shell ♪
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  • ♪ how or where they'd taken him ♪
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  • ♪ was more than i could tell ♪
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ something strange had happened there ♪
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  • ♪ but just what i didn't know ♪
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  • ♪ john believed a miracle ♪
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  • ♪ but i just turned to go ♪
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  • ♪ circumstance and speculation ♪
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  • ♪ couldn't lift me very high ♪
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  • ♪ ‘cause i'd seen them crucify him ♪
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  • ♪ and i saw him die
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ back inside the house again ♪
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  • ♪ the guilt and anguish came ♪
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  • ♪ everything i'd promised him ♪
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  • ♪ just added to my shame ♪
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  • ♪ ‘cause when at last it came to choices ♪
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  • ♪ i denied i knew his name ♪
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  • ♪ and even if he was alive ♪
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  • ♪ it wouldn't be the same ♪
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ but suddenly the air was filled ♪
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  • ♪ with strange and sweet perfume ♪
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  • ♪ light that came from everywhere ♪
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  • ♪ drove shadows from the room ♪
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  • ♪ jesus stood before me ♪
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  • ♪ with his arms held open wide ♪
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  • ♪ and i fell down on my knees ♪
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  • ♪ and just clung to him and cried ♪
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ he raised me to my feet ♪
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  • ♪ and as i looked into his eyes ♪
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  • ♪ love was shining out from him ♪
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  • ♪ like sunlight from the skies ♪
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  • ♪ guilt and my confusion ♪
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  • ♪ disappeared in sweet release ♪
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  • ♪ and every fear i'd ever had ♪
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  • ♪ just melted into peace ♪
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ he's alive he's alive ♪
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  • ♪ he's alive and i'm forgiven ♪
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  • ♪ heaven's gates are open wide ♪
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  • ♪ he's alive he's alive
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  • ♪ he's alive and i'm forgiven ♪
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  • ♪ heaven's gates are open wide ♪
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  • ♪ he's alive he's alive
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  • ♪ he's alive and i'm forgiven ♪
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  • ♪ heaven's gates are open wide ♪
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  • ♪ he's alive he's alive ♪
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  • ♪ he's alive he's alive ♪
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  • [music]
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  • Jaci velasquez: david
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  • Meece started out as a prodigy classical pianist before giving
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  • His life to christ while attending the prestigious
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  • Peabody conservatory in baltimore, maryland. he was
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  • Discovered by word records some years later, and before long
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  • David helped pioneer what would soon be called contemporary
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  • Christian music. david and, legendary record executive, stan
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  • Moser talk about how david wrote the song “we are the reason”.
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  • >>most people who write gospel music or christian music follow
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  • The national model, like in country music. they write words
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  • First and then they put that to music. i came from a classical
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  • Music background. i wrote the music first, because my early
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  • Pieces were piano pieces. so you don't need lyrics. right? so i'm
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  • Writing this song and i wrote this whole thing, the whole song
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  • Musically. and i played it for brown banister, my producer, and
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  • He loved it. and so we went ahead and recorded the track,
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  • But we didn't have any words. and i remember him coming to me
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  • Saying, dave, have you finished? have you come up with a lyric
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  • For that last song? and i said, no. he said well we need to do
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  • The vocal tomorrow. [chuckles] and i remember thinking, because
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  • I've been working for nine months trying to write a lyric.
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  • I couldn't come up with anything. i had four total sets
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  • Of lyrics, totally different lyrics, to it, and all of them
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  • Finished and none of them were, i thought they were cheesy. so i
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  • Got on my knees, i went back to the hotel after our session that
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  • Day here in nashville, and got on my knees, started praying
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  • About it. got my bible out, just started reading, god help me,
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  • And i mean, i'm telling you he just plopped “we are the reason
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  • That he gave his life, we're the reason he suffered and died”. i
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  • Mean, the words to that course just, literally, fell out of the
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  • Sky. and i started writing it and it was coming so fast, the
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  • Words, and i still to this day i'm convinced that what happened
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  • Was god was waiting for me to ask him. many times we don't
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  • Receive, ye have not because ye ask not. you know? and i think
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  • That in our cleverness as songwriters and as artists and
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  • Creators ourselves, we forget the real source of the creation.
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  • And that is the creator himself. right? and when that happened
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  • That was the song that, literally, just became a classic
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  • And launched my career.
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ we are the reason that he suffered and died ♪
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  • ♪ to a world that was lost ♪
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  • ♪ he gave all he could give ♪
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  • ♪ to show us the reason to live ♪
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  • [sing it with us]
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ we are the reason that he gave his life ♪
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  • ♪ we are the reason that he suffered and died ♪
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  • ♪ to a world that was lost ♪
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  • ♪ he gave all he could give ♪
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  • ♪ to show us the reason to live ♪
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  • ♪ he is my reason to live ♪
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  • [music] [applause]
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  • >>most christian music fans
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  • Today are quite familiar with the number one all-time favorite
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  • Christian rock band petra. but they sure were not an overnight
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  • Success. they have plenty of scars and bruises from the
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  • Uphill battle they had with the church to put christian rock on
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  • The map. at a time when that kind of music was considered
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  • Evil, they prevailed and went on to win ten dove awards, four
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  • Grammys, and started a new genre in christian music that brought
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  • A whole lot of people the church wasn't reaching into the fold.
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  • Can i get an amen? >>bob, why don't you tell us about the
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  • History of petra? >>do i? >>yeah, you're on, man, just
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  • Take it. >>well, you know, as far as the history of petra
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  • Goes, we really were bible school students who came
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  • Together at bible school at fort wayne, indiana. and we had come
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  • From rock and roll backgrounds, every one of us, played in rock
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  • Bands. i'd done a little music with a couple of the other guys.
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  • [telephone musical ring] [laughter] >>oh, for crying out
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  • Loud. [laughter] >>i was off to a great start. >>you were. >>you
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  • Were doing wonderful! >>you were zoned in your element. >>i am
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  • Going to turn my off, too. [laughter] >>had to be me! had
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  • To be me! okay. sorry. >>this music kind of had to find its
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  • Own way, especially, our style of music. because being a
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  • Christian rock band, we were going against the grain of the
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  • Teaching of many pastors across the country who were preaching
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  • That rock-and-roll music was of the devil. so there were many
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  • Things that went against doing what we were doing. i remember
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  • Somebody, this was late 70's in the music christian music
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  • Business, saying there'll never be a market for christian rock.
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  • You know, luckily, at that time, we weren't really worried about
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  • A market, we were worried about making a mark. >>you know, the
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  • Most talented moment for me was when bob and i and, actually,
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  • One of the members of the band we were touring with, we would
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  • Do youth pastor events in the afternoon to explain to them
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  • What we were about. because, again, there was a lot of doubt
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  • About were we for real, were we in it just to be using christian
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  • Music as a stopover to be big-time secular rockers and all
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  • This? and oh my gosh, you're using rock and roll so you can't
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  • Be christian. and we would go out of our way to talk to, to
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  • Have pastor and youth pastor conferences in the afternoon.
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  • And we really poured our hearts out. i mean, all three of us
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  • Really poured our hearts out; bob, me, and the other guy. and
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  • We shared our hearts and i really felt, i mean, i was
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  • Listening to these guys, the other two, and i'm going, oh my
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  • Gosh, this is so cool.it was all finished and i was watch this
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  • One guy, >>ah, this story i know. >>just like, and after it
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  • Was all said and done and we poured our hearts out and this
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  • Guy gets up and says, you know what, i didn't need rock and
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  • Roll to get saved, i don't see why we need it now. and stormed
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  • Out. my biggest regret was i didn't say a word. and it's
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  • Haunted me in a roundabout way ever since. because what i would
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  • Have liked to have said was, oh i see because you didn't need
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  • It, no one else does. >>it was probably good that you didn't
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  • Say that. >>i know. >>yeah, i know. >>because right after
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  • That, it was good that i was silent because bob could see
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  • That i was, i was ticked. [chuckles] i couldn't believe,
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  • No, i know it's hard to believe that i get mad, but i was
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  • Ticked. and bob goes, john, don't let your heart be
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  • Hardened. don't let your heart get hardened. and i really, and
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  • That was a very timely and important statement for him to
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  • Make. and i think that was probably one of the most
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  • Challenging times that i could think of. >>thank you so much
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  • For joining us. we hope you've been blessed by these
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  • Extraordinary trailblazers who paved the way for christian
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  • Music to become what it is today. thank you dallas holm,
  • 00:20:35.787 --> 00:20:39.557
  • Don francisco, david meece, and petra. please join us next time
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  • For more heartfelt stories about your favorite legendary ccm
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  • Artists. god bless you and we'll see you soon.
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ i am on the rock ♪
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  • ♪ kingdoms failing
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  • ♪ they fall around me ♪
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  • ♪ plans eroded,
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  • ♪ and washing away to the sea ♪
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  • ♪ but i am on the rock ♪
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  • ♪ i am on the rock
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ hey, are you ready,
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  • ♪ yeah
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  • ♪ i am on the rock ♪
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  • ♪ i'm on the rock
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  • ♪ i am on the rock ♪
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  • ♪ his sure foundation
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  • ♪ i am on the rock ♪
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  • ♪ his revelation
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  • ♪ i am on the rock ♪
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  • ♪ yeah, yeah
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  • ♪ though the winds may blow ♪
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  • ♪ and though the floods may grow ♪
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  • ♪ i shall not be moved ‘ ♪
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  • ♪ cause i am on the rock ♪
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  • ♪ come on
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ there is no rock in this world but our god ♪
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  • ♪ i am on the rock ♪
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  • ♪ the sure foundation ♪
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  • ♪ i am on the rock
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  • ♪ the rock of jesus ♪
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  • ♪ i am on the rock
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  • ♪ his revelation ♪
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  • ♪ i am on the rock
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  • ♪ yeah, yeah
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  • ♪ though the winds may blow ♪
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  • ♪ and though the floods may grow ♪
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  • ♪ i shall not be moved ♪
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  • ♪ ‘cause i am on the rock ♪
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  • ♪ hey,
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ ah the rock ♪
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  • ♪ yeah, yeah
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ the rock of jesus ♪
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  • ♪ of jesus yeah, yeah ♪
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  • ♪ the rock
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ the rock
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ oh, oh the rock
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  • ♪ rock
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  • ♪ hey
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