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Joel Rosenberg: Is the Bible Uniting Israel? (Part 2) | The Rosenberg Report

February 26, 2026 | 25:52

Joel Rosenberg: Is the Bible Uniting Israel? (Part 2) | The Rosenberg Report
On this episode of The Rosenberg Report, Victor Kalisher joins Joel Rosenberg to discuss if the Bible is uniting Israel.
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The Rosenberg Report | Joel Rosenberg: Is the Bible Uniting Israel? (Part 2) | The Rosenberg Report | February 26, 2026
  • Tonight on the rosenberg report
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  • As president trump lays out the case for war with iran.
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  • In his state of the union address
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  • And tucker carlson declares war on ambassador mike huckabee
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  • And on christians who love israel and israel.
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  • Is god using war to draw israelis back into his word
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  • And draw israelis to faith in jesus the messiah.
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  • Growing evidence says yes, and tonight
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  • I'll bring you the miraculous, encouraging story
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  • Of a holocaust survivor who is given a new testament.
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  • Read it, believed it, and became one of the greatest
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  • Messianic jewish
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  • Evangelists and bible teachers in modern israeli history.
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  • It's a story of faith, hope, and radical love.
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  • And it all begins right here, right now on the rosenberg
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  • Report.
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  • Imagine meeting
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  • A man who had his entire family wiped out in the holocaust
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  • And at a young age, i mean, a very young age young teenager,
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  • Had to find his way, make his way through war torn europe,
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  • Make it
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  • To what was then
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  • Known as palestine, arrive in the land
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  • That would eventually become the nation of israel.
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  • And then dramatically,
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  • Miraculously come to faith in jesus christ
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  • And become used by god to share the gospel,
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  • To share the word of god with many.
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  • Well, my guest tonight,
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  • Doesn't have to imagine meeting that person.
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  • That was his father.
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  • Good evening, and welcome to the rosenberg report.
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  • We are continuing.
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  • I an ongoing conversation about this question.
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  • Is god using the war today?
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  • To drive israelis into the word of god?
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  • And the answer is yes.
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  • And i've had, victor kalisher on my program before.
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  • Victor is the head of the israeli bible society.
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  • He is the son of a man widely known as zvi,
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  • A man who became the most famous or arguably the most famous,
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  • One of the most famous messianic jews
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  • In all of the rebirth of the modern state of israel.
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  • And, victor, i want to just thank you
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  • For coming back on the rosenberg report.
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  • Your dad's story is amazing.
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  • And of course, we want to
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  • Talk a little bit about your story as well.
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  • But would you sort of set the stage?
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  • Where was your father raised?
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  • How how old was he when the holocaust began?
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  • And what happened?
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  • So just first of all, allow me to start
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  • By saying that we are all part of a story
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  • That is much greater than us, because it's not about us.
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  • It's about what god is doing through us.
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  • So we are just like, you know, small portion in time,
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  • But we are serving a much greater plan that god is.
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  • And that's what i think when i'm thinking
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  • About my father and how i came to be.
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  • So, my father was born.
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  • Whole story is a miracle from beginning to end.
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  • It is, it is, it is.
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  • But god's the author of that story
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  • In the life of all of us in different ways.
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  • So he was born in poland and to a jewish family,
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  • Lived in warsaw.
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  • And there are, you know, huge community of jews there.
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  • And, and he even many times you said that, you know, that,
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  • All the shops, many of the shops belong to jews
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  • And many polish people, they had to plan their shopping
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  • So that they don't need to buy anything on the friday
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  • In shabbat, because things would be closed. right?
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  • Okay.
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  • Part of the reasons for the anti-semitism and so on.
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  • But he grew up in a jewish family,
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  • So he knew yiddish.
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  • They know the jewish language that they speak
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  • In eastern europe.
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  • And, at the age of 11, imagine a boy, the age of 11,
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  • The war started and after a short while,
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  • It became too dangerous to live there because his uncle
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  • Was already beaten with the nazi soldiers coming in and beating
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  • And taking whatever they want.
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  • And his father was beaten.
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  • So his mother decided to put him at an orphanage house.
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  • Okay.
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  • So she put him
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  • In the polish orphanage house and she told him, never say
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  • That you are a jew and be strong and courageous,
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  • And i will come and visit you every show.
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  • But this was the last time that he saw her
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  • Or anyone of his family.
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  • But after some months,
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  • The germans, you know, they took over.
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  • And one of the things that they
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  • Did is to go to these places, the orphanage houses,
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  • And to take the young boys that were close to,
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  • You know, army service and so on, and to
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  • To train them to become hitler youth.
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  • Okay. so,
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  • The, the
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  • Ss officer came with his soldiers
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  • And they put all of them in one hole in the big hole,
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  • And he was looking at all of them.
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  • And then he pointed to my father and says, do come here.
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  • You come here.
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  • And he told him to stand on the chair next to him.
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  • Now my father, you can see it on me, was blond and beautiful.
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  • But, and then he pointed to my father and
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  • And in front of all the clouds and says, you see,
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  • This is how a real aryan should look like.
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  • Aryan? yeah, yeah.
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  • And he gave him a small piece of chocolate.
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  • But when they did the selection,
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  • The guy that did the selection, you know, looked at my father
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  • And says, oh, you still have some milk behind your ears.
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  • You're too small, too small, too is too small.
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  • And they gave them a voucher
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  • For the train and go and find your relatives, okay.
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  • And of course, the obviously the nazis had no idea
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  • They, they, they thought he was the,
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  • The perfect obvious, sort of, prototype of a nazi.
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  • You that actually, he was jewish.
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  • He was jewish.
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  • They they thought he was a polish.
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  • There were many polish orphans
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  • At that time as well, of the war.
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  • My father thought when he heard
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  • The german officer, this is the officer.
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  • He thought, wow, someone talked about me.
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  • They must know.
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  • But, you know, it was not the case.
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  • So he goes back to his home and,
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  • He found another a polish family there.
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  • And they tell them, if you want to find your family,
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  • You have to go there, you know, to the ghetto
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  • Area, to a polish family had already taken over
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  • Exactly the family house. yeah.
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  • So he goes there and he sees german soldiers
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  • Doing their patrol, and they understand
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  • That they cannot just come in like that.
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  • He goes around and he sees some kids
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  • About his age and he tells them, hey, i want to come in.
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  • They look at this talking through the fence.
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  • No, no,
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  • These are these are german kids or, you know, young outside.
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  • Yeah, yeah. jewish kids. okay.
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  • Jewish kids, jewish kids.
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  • And he tells them, i want to go inside.
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  • And they look at him and they say, well,
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  • Do you think you're going to a party?
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  • You have to come with food.
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  • If you don't have any food, you'll die.
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  • Come with us.
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  • They were on the way to pick up potatoes
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  • And steal things, you know, and stuff like that.
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  • So he smuggle them
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  • Back, smuggle them so they come back
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  • And they go through the sewage canals
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  • And he sees rats the size of cats
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  • There. he goes into the ghetto
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  • And he starts to look for his family.
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  • He doesn't have where
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  • To stay or anything like that, and he's looking for his family.
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  • After a while he started to become a skeleton,
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  • But he sees someone that he recognizes.
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  • It was a friend of the family, an elderly men.
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  • Okay, so you ask him, have you seen anyone from my family?
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  • My father or mother?
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  • And he tells him, you see, in this place
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  • There is no father and no mother.
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  • There is no brother and sister.
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  • If you don't take care of yourself,
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  • You will die like these guys.
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  • And the point is pointing to people sitting
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  • At the on the streets, you know, skeletons.
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  • And sometimes they were taken on the cart
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  • When they are still alive and thrown into the garbage.
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  • So after after getting to
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  • That point, he realized that if he stays, he will die.
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  • And he decided no matter what, if he dies or leaves,
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  • Is going to escape.
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  • He found the place where the wall is.
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  • You know where there is the house
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  • Which is, above the wall.
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  • It was a dark, rainy,
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  • Even night.
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  • And these decides i'm going to jump.
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  • Whatever happens, happens. otherwise i'll die.
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  • So he jumps and he jumps in the middle
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  • Of the two soldiers that are doing the patrol.
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  • But they are so shocked and he was so quick.
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  • He started running to the to the forest.
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  • While they are shooting at him, but he escaped.
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  • And this is kind of, you know, one story,
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  • But it tells everything because he was running
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  • For one place to another in these
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  • So things that,
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  • Are not proper
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  • For a program like that because he saw the worst of what-
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  • How men can be beasts.
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  • But god saved him again and again and again.
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  • He should have been died there so many times.
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  • All right, hold that thought.
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  • We'll be back in just a moment.
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  • And, when victor's father arrives in palestine,
  • 00:08:51.654 --> 00:08:57.393
  • The war of independence is coming.
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  • How is he going to make it through this war?
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  • He doesn't speak hebrew.
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  • He doesn't know anybody.
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  • And he doesn't know jesus.
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  • He doesn't know the lord personally.
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  • It's a fascinating story, so don't go away.
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  • We'll be right back.
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  • With his famous story.
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  • That became a great book that i read in college.
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  • We read, when lynn and i met, victor kalisher and his family.
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  • The book is called zvi,
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  • And we'll be back with more on the rosenberg report.
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  • Don't go away.
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  • Coming up next on the rosenberg report,
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  • How did zvi kalisher ever find a bible and read the gospels
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  • And come to believe that jesus is the messiah?
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  • Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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  • Right after this break.
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  • Right after this break.
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  • Victor, in,
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  • You sort of left us on a cliffhanger.
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  • Let's get your father.
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  • He's in palestine now. he is? how old?
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  • When he finally makes it into the land.
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  • He is 19 years old, but this is after eight months in cyprus.
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  • Because as they were
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  • Coming on the small ship for 60 and there were 600 people.
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  • So when they were getting close
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  • To israel and they start seeing the
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  • The mountains of the carmel, haifa, you know,
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  • A british crusade comes and takes them to cyprus
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  • And does not let them.
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  • Okay.
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  • So all right, so people have to read
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  • The book, zvi, to get the whole story, but,
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  • He gets into the country and i there's two things
  • 00:10:28.751 --> 00:10:31.187
  • I want to focus on in this segment.
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  • First is being in a military unit in the war of independence,
  • 00:10:32.988 --> 00:10:37.093
  • When nobody in his unit speaks the same language.
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  • And the miracles that god provided,
  • 00:10:40.996 --> 00:10:43.999
  • Even though he wasn't a believer to save his life.
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  • I want you to talk about that.
  • 00:10:46.202 --> 00:10:46.936
  • And then i want you to
  • 00:10:46.936 --> 00:10:48.104
  • Talk about how your dad actually came to faith in yeshua.
  • 00:10:48.104 --> 00:10:51.373
  • He was one of the first
  • 00:10:51.373 --> 00:10:52.575
  • People in the entire country to believe in jesus in yeshua.
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  • Yeah.
  • 00:10:56.479 --> 00:10:57.279
  • So there are many people like him
  • 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:58.614
  • That were alone without families.
  • 00:10:58.614 --> 00:11:00.516
  • And so he came from the terrible war to another war.
  • 00:11:00.516 --> 00:11:06.055
  • And, and when he came and he was without any family,
  • 00:11:06.055 --> 00:11:10.259
  • He was taken to serve in a special unit
  • 00:11:10.259 --> 00:11:14.096
  • That,
  • 00:11:14.330 --> 00:11:15.965
  • That does like taking mines, but also putting mines and bombs.
  • 00:11:15.965 --> 00:11:20.369
  • And so he defuzes mines in one case.
  • 00:11:20.369 --> 00:11:23.072
  • But he's also planting mines, planting mines.
  • 00:11:23.072 --> 00:11:26.075
  • A very dangerous job.
  • 00:11:26.075 --> 00:11:27.643
  • It's a one time mistake.
  • 00:11:27.643 --> 00:11:28.878
  • And definitely at that time,
  • 00:11:28.878 --> 00:11:31.046
  • You know, with not without the technology
  • 00:11:31.046 --> 00:11:33.249
  • Of today and the safety and so on.
  • 00:11:33.249 --> 00:11:34.984
  • So they're basically putting an orphan
  • 00:11:34.984 --> 00:11:36.919
  • On to that job because he doesn't have a family
  • 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:38.954
  • And there's no one to report if something happens.
  • 00:11:38.954 --> 00:11:41.423
  • But there are many like him, you know,
  • 00:11:41.423 --> 00:11:43.292
  • But also because he was not afraid of death.
  • 00:11:43.292 --> 00:11:46.061
  • I mean,
  • 00:11:46.061 --> 00:11:47.263
  • He saw that so many times, so like to die, so on, you know,
  • 00:11:47.263 --> 00:11:50.533
  • Seven, eight years he'd been on the run,
  • 00:11:50.533 --> 00:11:52.668
  • And god had protected him.
  • 00:11:52.668 --> 00:11:54.970
  • Did he even believe in god at this point?
  • 00:11:54.970 --> 00:11:56.672
  • No. okay, so he's an atheist or an gnostic
  • 00:11:56.672 --> 00:11:59.441
  • Or whatever, after all that he. so.
  • 00:11:59.441 --> 00:12:00.910
  • Okay, you know, god, how can you believe in god?
  • 00:12:00.910 --> 00:12:03.612
  • Yeah. okay. okay.
  • 00:12:03.612 --> 00:12:04.713
  • So, you know, and nobody speaks the same language,
  • 00:12:04.713 --> 00:12:08.250
  • You know, it's
  • 00:12:08.584 --> 00:12:09.652
  • They're starting to to pick up hebrew and so on,
  • 00:12:09.652 --> 00:12:11.654
  • But they don't really speak the language.
  • 00:12:11.654 --> 00:12:13.522
  • And you have people from poland, from russia,
  • 00:12:13.522 --> 00:12:15.624
  • From yemen, from morocco, from iraq.
  • 00:12:15.624 --> 00:12:17.827
  • I mean, you name it, all the countries.
  • 00:12:17.827 --> 00:12:20.529
  • It is really the prophecies come true.
  • 00:12:20.529 --> 00:12:23.199
  • And the the officer is a russian and one guy is moroccan
  • 00:12:23.199 --> 00:12:27.203
  • And so on.
  • 00:12:27.203 --> 00:12:28.437
  • In one language you say, you know, fire or start shooting.
  • 00:12:28.437 --> 00:12:31.874
  • It means stop in the in the other language.
  • 00:12:31.874 --> 00:12:34.243
  • It's crazy.
  • 00:12:34.243 --> 00:12:35.411
  • Okay, so so at one time, you know, the russian officer
  • 00:12:35.411 --> 00:12:39.148
  • That has to navigate takes them
  • 00:12:39.148 --> 00:12:40.716
  • Actually to a jordanian to the enemy area.
  • 00:12:40.716 --> 00:12:44.453
  • And when they come back, the israeli army,
  • 00:12:44.453 --> 00:12:46.989
  • They think that there are jordanians are shooting at them.
  • 00:12:46.989 --> 00:12:49.625
  • I mean, crazy things.
  • 00:12:49.625 --> 00:12:51.126
  • And the guy protects them through all god's protects them
  • 00:12:51.126 --> 00:12:53.762
  • And the weapons that they had.
  • 00:12:53.762 --> 00:12:55.397
  • You know, it is left overs from first war, world war.
  • 00:12:55.397 --> 00:13:01.003
  • It's not it's really left overs. it's just
  • 00:13:01.003 --> 00:13:04.106
  • Finish the point.
  • 00:13:04.540 --> 00:13:05.441
  • But but i want to get to a point where he
  • 00:13:05.441 --> 00:13:07.543
  • Where somebody gives them a bible. we'll get there. okay.
  • 00:13:07.543 --> 00:13:09.478
  • So he says when you want your your gun to shoot,
  • 00:13:09.478 --> 00:13:12.314
  • It doesn't it's stuck when you don't want it,
  • 00:13:12.314 --> 00:13:14.650
  • You know. wow.
  • 00:13:14.650 --> 00:13:15.885
  • It has like a few. yeah.
  • 00:13:15.885 --> 00:13:18.554
  • It was really, really a crazy.
  • 00:13:18.554 --> 00:13:20.055
  • And still they want the
  • 00:13:20.055 --> 00:13:21.523
  • They want the war to say it's a miracle from god.
  • 00:13:21.523 --> 00:13:24.560
  • It's not because of us.
  • 00:13:24.560 --> 00:13:25.961
  • It's really god's miracle.
  • 00:13:25.961 --> 00:13:27.963
  • And and to your point, how does he come to faith?
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  • And how does he know about the lord? yeah.
  • 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.135
  • So it's one, evening he receives an after duty.
  • 00:13:33.135 --> 00:13:37.273
  • And, you know, after duty is very precious for any soldier.
  • 00:13:37.273 --> 00:13:40.109
  • Definitely.
  • 00:13:40.109 --> 00:13:40.910
  • He gets a pass basically this
  • 00:13:40.910 --> 00:13:42.077
  • That he gets to have some followers
  • 00:13:42.077 --> 00:13:43.812
  • Who are is to go and rest and do whatever he likes.
  • 00:13:43.812 --> 00:13:46.949
  • So he thought, okay, i'll go to tel aviv.
  • 00:13:46.949 --> 00:13:48.517
  • That's the main city.
  • 00:13:48.517 --> 00:13:49.718
  • That's where you can have some coffeehouses and see people.
  • 00:13:49.718 --> 00:13:51.921
  • And so on.
  • 00:13:51.921 --> 00:13:53.188
  • He goes to tel aviv, but, you know, it's war time
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  • And there was no one on the streets.
  • 00:13:55.724 --> 00:13:57.660
  • And he's very disappointed.
  • 00:13:57.660 --> 00:13:59.094
  • He lost precious, very precious evening,
  • 00:13:59.094 --> 00:14:02.231
  • You know, what can he do? so he finds a bench.
  • 00:14:02.231 --> 00:14:04.266
  • He sits there and think how how miserable he is and so on.
  • 00:14:04.266 --> 00:14:08.671
  • But then the lady came to him and she tells him,
  • 00:14:08.671 --> 00:14:12.241
  • I have a book for you,
  • 00:14:12.241 --> 00:14:14.276
  • You know,
  • 00:14:14.276 --> 00:14:15.511
  • And she gives him a big book, you know, it was a thick book.
  • 00:14:15.511 --> 00:14:17.846
  • And he tells her,
  • 00:14:17.846 --> 00:14:19.181
  • He looks at it, says, my hebrew is not that good.
  • 00:14:19.181 --> 00:14:21.884
  • You don't.
  • 00:14:21.884 --> 00:14:22.851
  • You have something smaller for him, for me.
  • 00:14:22.851 --> 00:14:24.920
  • And she says, no, you can read it
  • 00:14:24.920 --> 00:14:27.222
  • At your own pace.
  • 00:14:27.222 --> 00:14:28.357
  • You don't have to read it this once. slowly, slowly.
  • 00:14:28.357 --> 00:14:30.526
  • So he took it and he opened it.
  • 00:14:30.526 --> 00:14:32.695
  • And the first time that you opened it,
  • 00:14:32.695 --> 00:14:34.063
  • It opened in psalm 27.
  • 00:14:34.063 --> 00:14:36.298
  • And these eyes were caught on verse
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  • Ten where it says, when they father and mother
  • 00:14:38.500 --> 00:14:40.502
  • Forsake you, i will gather you.
  • 00:14:40.502 --> 00:14:42.371
  • And these words really touched his heart,
  • 00:14:42.371 --> 00:14:44.974
  • Because it immediately kind of flashed in his mind
  • 00:14:44.974 --> 00:14:48.777
  • That god, it is god that kept you
  • 00:14:48.777 --> 00:14:51.413
  • All the things
  • 00:14:51.413 --> 00:14:52.348
  • That you should have been dead so many times,
  • 00:14:52.348 --> 00:14:54.383
  • And he never really thought of that before. in it.
  • 00:14:54.383 --> 00:14:56.618
  • I didn't have time to think about it, but it was like
  • 00:14:56.618 --> 00:14:59.655
  • There was no god.
  • 00:14:59.655 --> 00:15:00.656
  • And what happens to me, you know? yeah, it's.
  • 00:15:00.656 --> 00:15:02.758
  • And then suddenly it's like, no, with the way this verse spoke
  • 00:15:02.758 --> 00:15:06.295
  • To his heart, it's,
  • 00:15:06.295 --> 00:15:07.496
  • It's me that kept you again and again and again.
  • 00:15:07.496 --> 00:15:09.798
  • Was the bible so big because it was both
  • 00:15:09.798 --> 00:15:11.633
  • The old testament and the new? yes.
  • 00:15:11.633 --> 00:15:13.469
  • At what point does he decide to dip into the new testament?
  • 00:15:13.469 --> 00:15:16.438
  • He reads the new testament because he cannot
  • 00:15:16.438 --> 00:15:18.107
  • Really understand so good the old testament.
  • 00:15:18.107 --> 00:15:20.576
  • So he reads the new testament.
  • 00:15:20.576 --> 00:15:22.111
  • He started by this point.
  • 00:15:22.111 --> 00:15:23.312
  • He knows enough modern hebrew to start to start reading.
  • 00:15:23.312 --> 00:15:25.981
  • Yeah, and not really understand too much.
  • 00:15:25.981 --> 00:15:27.750
  • He doesn't really understand, definitely doesn't understand
  • 00:15:27.750 --> 00:15:29.785
  • The old testament hebrew exactly.
  • 00:15:29.785 --> 00:15:31.720
  • Not theology. too much.
  • 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:33.022
  • Right?
  • 00:15:33.022 --> 00:15:33.922
  • To understand this is the issue i see.
  • 00:15:33.922 --> 00:15:35.457
  • So all of them, but doesn't really understand too much.
  • 00:15:35.457 --> 00:15:38.293
  • Okay.
  • 00:15:38.293 --> 00:15:39.461
  • And when he comes to that to their 10th, you know, the
  • 00:15:39.461 --> 00:15:42.297
  • And it is on his bench or his bed,
  • 00:15:42.297 --> 00:15:46.268
  • You know, the soldiers are telling you,
  • 00:15:46.268 --> 00:15:48.237
  • Well, how come you read the new testament.
  • 00:15:48.237 --> 00:15:50.906
  • This is poison.
  • 00:15:50.906 --> 00:15:51.907
  • It will poison you.
  • 00:15:51.907 --> 00:15:53.175
  • Things like that. you know.
  • 00:15:53.175 --> 00:15:54.977
  • And he says, actually i feel much better.
  • 00:15:54.977 --> 00:15:57.546
  • But reading it, it gives you peace
  • 00:15:57.546 --> 00:15:59.581
  • When he reads it, you know, stealing, literally.
  • 00:15:59.581 --> 00:16:02.084
  • He's stealing.
  • 00:16:02.084 --> 00:16:03.018
  • You know, he's not saying that theoretically,
  • 00:16:03.018 --> 00:16:03.919
  • He's like, i feel better.
  • 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:05.254
  • No, this is physically. this is spiritually. physically.
  • 00:16:05.254 --> 00:16:08.223
  • It feels much better. it feels comfort.
  • 00:16:08.223 --> 00:16:10.526
  • It comforts him. it gives him peace in his heart.
  • 00:16:10.526 --> 00:16:13.128
  • You know, if i keep him going, he finds love in it.
  • 00:16:13.128 --> 00:16:16.365
  • So it keeps going in reading.
  • 00:16:16.365 --> 00:16:18.200
  • But then shortly after,
  • 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.702
  • He's, he's walking in jerusalem on the shabbat
  • 00:16:20.702 --> 00:16:23.972
  • And he hears a singing comes from one of the buildings there.
  • 00:16:23.972 --> 00:16:27.743
  • Okay.
  • 00:16:27.743 --> 00:16:28.911
  • So it says, you know, it was curious to see what's who.
  • 00:16:28.911 --> 00:16:30.979
  • Who are the guys that are singing there?
  • 00:16:30.979 --> 00:16:32.815
  • He goes in and he sees people
  • 00:16:32.815 --> 00:16:34.650
  • Singing and then praying in the name of yeshua, of jesus.
  • 00:16:34.650 --> 00:16:38.654
  • And he says, okay, these are jews, okay?
  • 00:16:38.654 --> 00:16:40.722
  • And they say the name yeshua jesus.
  • 00:16:40.722 --> 00:16:42.825
  • What's going on here?
  • 00:16:42.825 --> 00:16:43.792
  • At that point, there were very few, very few
  • 00:16:43.792 --> 00:16:46.795
  • Dozen, maybe in the whole country,
  • 00:16:46.795 --> 00:16:48.697
  • Jewish people who believe in jesus.
  • 00:16:48.697 --> 00:16:50.232
  • And the song. yeah, there are very few jews.
  • 00:16:50.232 --> 00:16:51.800
  • And i mean, some of these were gentile.
  • 00:16:51.800 --> 00:16:53.769
  • There were not many, but some of them were,
  • 00:16:53.769 --> 00:16:55.671
  • You know, missionaries from other countries,
  • 00:16:55.671 --> 00:16:57.406
  • You know, from the us and others that were serving here.
  • 00:16:57.406 --> 00:17:01.243
  • So he goes to the pastor there and he,
  • 00:17:01.243 --> 00:17:04.480
  • Tells him, can you tell me
  • 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.282
  • What is happening here, who are you?
  • 00:17:07.282 --> 00:17:09.651
  • And so on. and these men started to disciple him.
  • 00:17:09.651 --> 00:17:12.387
  • So he was also a survivor, a holocaust survivor. wow.
  • 00:17:12.387 --> 00:17:16.091
  • And they started to disciple him.
  • 00:17:16.091 --> 00:17:17.626
  • And that's how he started to come to faith. wow.
  • 00:17:17.626 --> 00:17:19.962
  • So this is really a i mean, when i think about myself,
  • 00:17:19.962 --> 00:17:23.265
  • You ask me, joel, to share my testimony.
  • 00:17:23.265 --> 00:17:25.968
  • I will tell you it's all it's boring.
  • 00:17:25.968 --> 00:17:27.970
  • I mean, it's grace and everything, but it's boring.
  • 00:17:27.970 --> 00:17:31.006
  • You know, i didn't see thunders or angels like it is.
  • 00:17:31.006 --> 00:17:34.643
  • Yeah, the visions now it's similar,
  • 00:17:34.643 --> 00:17:36.812
  • But because, you know, my father was an orthodox jew.
  • 00:17:36.812 --> 00:17:40.048
  • His family escaped out of russia during the pogroms.
  • 00:17:40.048 --> 00:17:42.885
  • So it's really the drama of him
  • 00:17:42.885 --> 00:17:44.820
  • Coming to faith and my mom coming to faith.
  • 00:17:44.820 --> 00:17:46.889
  • By the time i come to faith, i mean, it's a yes, it's
  • 00:17:46.889 --> 00:17:49.458
  • A miracle,
  • 00:17:49.458 --> 00:17:49.892
  • But it's not
  • 00:17:49.892 --> 00:17:50.592
  • Such a dramatic miracle
  • 00:17:50.592 --> 00:17:51.793
  • Because i'm seeing the testimony in my own parents.
  • 00:17:51.793 --> 00:17:54.196
  • That's that's your miracle.
  • 00:17:54.196 --> 00:17:55.731
  • I'm always saying what happened to my father is is for my sake.
  • 00:17:55.731 --> 00:18:00.536
  • I am a believer because i grew up in a believing family.
  • 00:18:00.536 --> 00:18:04.206
  • Because god saved my father.
  • 00:18:04.206 --> 00:18:06.475
  • So it started there already, you know?
  • 00:18:06.475 --> 00:18:09.211
  • And hold that thought.
  • 00:18:09.211 --> 00:18:10.879
  • Because when we come back, i want victor to share
  • 00:18:10.879 --> 00:18:14.082
  • About how radicalized, his dad became,
  • 00:18:14.082 --> 00:18:18.820
  • Out of his love for jesus so much, his love for yeshua
  • 00:18:19.922 --> 00:18:22.624
  • So much that he could not contain himself.
  • 00:18:22.624 --> 00:18:25.627
  • He talked about jesus with everybody.
  • 00:18:25.627 --> 00:18:27.829
  • Don't go away.
  • 00:18:27.829 --> 00:18:28.797
  • We'll be right back on the rosenberg report
  • 00:18:28.797 --> 00:18:32.234
  • Coming up next on the rosenberg report.
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  • How did victor kalisher, the son of zvi, become so passionate
  • 00:18:34.870 --> 00:18:39.708
  • About making sure that every israeli
  • 00:18:39.708 --> 00:18:41.944
  • Has the chance to own the bible, read the bible
  • 00:18:41.944 --> 00:18:45.247
  • And hear the gospels for themselves?
  • 00:18:45.247 --> 00:18:48.016
  • Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
  • 00:18:48.016 --> 00:18:52.120
  • Right after this break.
  • 00:18:52.120 --> 00:18:55.000
  • Right after this break.
  • 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:58.794
  • Is the war
  • 00:18:59.094 --> 00:18:59.995
  • That was set into motion on october 7th?
  • 00:18:59.995 --> 00:19:03.098
  • 2023, here in israel from gaza
  • 00:19:03.098 --> 00:19:05.901
  • And by iran from every possible direction.
  • 00:19:05.901 --> 00:19:09.071
  • Is that war driving israeli jews into the word of god
  • 00:19:09.071 --> 00:19:13.475
  • To consider, to say, is there a god?
  • 00:19:13.475 --> 00:19:15.844
  • Does he love us? is he our shepherd?
  • 00:19:15.844 --> 00:19:18.280
  • Will you save us from this war?
  • 00:19:18.280 --> 00:19:19.615
  • And what happens when i die?
  • 00:19:19.615 --> 00:19:20.849
  • Is there
  • 00:19:20.849 --> 00:19:21.516
  • Is there a way to know
  • 00:19:21.516 --> 00:19:22.584
  • That i'm going to heaven forever and ever and ever?
  • 00:19:22.584 --> 00:19:25.287
  • And who's yeshua?
  • 00:19:25.287 --> 00:19:26.121
  • Is he the messiah or isn't he?
  • 00:19:26.121 --> 00:19:28.023
  • The truth is that that those questions are all
  • 00:19:28.023 --> 00:19:31.293
  • Being asked more in israel today than ever before.
  • 00:19:31.293 --> 00:19:35.230
  • Victor kalisher is my guest tonight.
  • 00:19:35.230 --> 00:19:37.799
  • We had him on on a previous program, talking about this,
  • 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.370
  • This general question.
  • 00:19:41.837 --> 00:19:43.138
  • But tonight he's talking to me more about how did his father
  • 00:19:43.138 --> 00:19:47.009
  • Come through war, through the holocaust,
  • 00:19:47.009 --> 00:19:50.245
  • Get to israel as an unbeliever, as an atheist, and then go
  • 00:19:50.245 --> 00:19:53.882
  • Through the war of independence, go through that war, and then
  • 00:19:53.882 --> 00:19:57.753
  • Be handed a bible, old and new testament,
  • 00:19:58.587 --> 00:20:01.623
  • A new testament that had modern hebrew
  • 00:20:01.623 --> 00:20:04.293
  • That he could start to read because he was
  • 00:20:04.293 --> 00:20:06.128
  • Fairly new at studying and knowing hebrew anyway.
  • 00:20:06.128 --> 00:20:09.097
  • And it's very interesting story of how victor kalisher
  • 00:20:09.097 --> 00:20:11.900
  • His father,
  • 00:20:11.900 --> 00:20:12.901
  • Famously known as zvi, one of the most famous
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  • Messianic jews in modern history.
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  • And there's a great book.
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  • Again, i recommend you to read this book. z.
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  • It's the it's the biography of, of victor's dad, victor.
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  • Thank you again for being on the show. and,
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  • I want you to talk
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  • About what it was like for you as a young man
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  • To live in a home with your brothers.
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  • Sisters?
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  • You know,
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  • To live with a dad who's
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  • Who would become so radically on fire
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  • For jesus that he's talking about
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  • Jesus with everybody and how it influenced
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  • Your life and your passion to give the word of god,
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  • To everybody you can, as the head of the bible society.
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  • So one thing that they can say
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  • About it's a lot to do in the last five,
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  • Six months of the show, but still it's important.
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  • So one thing i can say
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  • Is that my father, he didn't miss any opportunity
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  • To speak with anyone that was in his way,
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  • And even in this guy was speaking
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  • Another language, you know, a new immigrant.
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  • And we have so many of them in israel,
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  • Russian or in the other country,
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  • He would immediately start talking to them because he
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  • How many languages did he speak? 11 languages.
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  • 11 language you really had the gift of.
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  • So he would speak these language.
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  • People with these people and these would open
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  • Immediately, would open the door. okay.
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  • He speaks about my
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  • In my heart language, you know, and he would start,
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  • Sharing with them about his faith, by the way,
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  • He would do that
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  • Even the most orthodox, he would go to their most,
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  • Orthodox, you know, yeshivas.
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  • Yeah, yeah, communities and so on.
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  • But he wouldn't, spare any opportunity
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  • And sometimes to go with him to town, you know,
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  • Finally go with your father to town,
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  • Maybe to buy shoes or, you know, to the barber or whatever.
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  • But then we knew that every two minutes
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  • We are going to be stuck on the way, because if you meet
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  • Someone from 1948 from the war, you know, hey, it's we
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  • They all know him
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  • And start a conversation with him.
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  • And when i was a kid, you know, i'm on the way to buy shoes.
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  • Come on, let's go.
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  • We got to talk about jesus all the time.
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  • He's in. i talk to myself.
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  • I never do that. i never do that.
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  • You know? it's it's right.
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  • I know it's a mistake, but it.
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  • So for me today to find myself in a position
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  • That i'm in charge of providing bibles to the people of israel,
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  • I mean, can you. i mean, it's unbelievable.
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  • It's such a grace.
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  • What a blessing.
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  • You know, in short,
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  • It actually gets me emotional because
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  • Your father came to faith because somebody, some woman
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  • Had the courage to
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  • Just give
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  • A soldier, an israeli soldier sitting on a bench, a full bible
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  • When she had no way to know that he would even read it, take
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  • Or take it, read it, keep it,
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  • Much less be transformed by it, and he was totally
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  • Transformed by it.
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  • He built a house that loves the lord because of his faith.
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  • You know where jesus is in the center of this house.
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  • He has children.
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  • One of them is a pastor, another one is an elder
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  • For a congregation is leading the bible society.
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  • And i'm thinking to myself, i'm even now,
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  • You know, i'm thinking about it and i'm saying,
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  • God, you have such a sense of a few more.
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  • But you also so sovereign.
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  • I find myself doing the same.
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  • You know,
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  • Sometimes i think we talk with orthodox jews
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  • And they share my faith with them.
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  • And, you know, we'll go into the prophecies and so on.
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  • And the in my mind, the thoughts that run
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  • In my mind is, god, how did you do that?
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  • I saw my father do it so many times in as a child
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  • Said, i would never do that, you know.
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  • And suddenly i find myself do it, excited about it.
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  • And god is sovereign.
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  • And now i'm the one that provides bible,
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  • Because i know firsthand that the bible transforms people.
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  • The bible has it the power of god in it.
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  • Amen.
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  • Faith comes by hearing,
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  • And hearing by the word of christ, by the
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  • By the word of the messiah.
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  • I'm so grateful for viktor kalisher.
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  • He's not only a personal friend, he sits on the
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  • The israeli board of the joshua fund, our ministry
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  • That lynn and i founded back in 2006 to bless israel
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  • And her neighbors in the name of jesus and and the joshua fund.
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  • Invest in the bible society as well as other ministries.
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  • And i'm just very grateful because this story is powerful.
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  • Look, in the grand scheme,
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  • There are only about 20 to 30,000 jewish followers
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  • Of jesus in all of israel at this point.
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  • There's two different studies. they have different,
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  • Methodologies.
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  • And so maybe it's 20, maybe it's 30,000, maybe it's more.
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  • But the point is, in the grand scheme of 10 million israelis,
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  • It's not enough, right?
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  • We're heading towards romans 11:26. right.
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  • We're all israel will get saved.
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  • But right now we are not there.
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  • We are not, at least in israel. we're not at the harvest age.
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  • We're at the planting of the seed stage.
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  • We're at the watering of the seed stage.
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  • And of course, as we read in first corinthians,
  • 00:24:52.147 --> 00:24:54.182
  • The apostle paul says, you know, you know, some people plant,
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  • Some people water. it's god that brings the harvest.
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  • It's god that causes the increase.
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  • And we need to pray that
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  • The work of the bible society, the work of victor and his team,
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  • And all of these ministries will have a tremendous effect
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  • In a nation that's grieving and and rattled
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  • And shaken because of this war that has not yet ended.
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  • Thank you so much for watching.
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  • Thank you so much for supporting the joshua fund,
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  • For supporting the israeli
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  • Bible study and other ministry like this.
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  • Thank you for walking with the lord jesus,
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  • For praying for the peace of jerusalem,
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  • For praying that our ears,
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  • Israeli ears, jewish and arab and others would be open
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  • To the word of god.
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  • May you have a great week as you walk with the lord,
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  • As you love your neighbor, as yourself,
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  • As you pray for the peace of jerusalem.
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  • And lord willing,
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  • I'll see you next week right here on the rosenberg report.
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