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Joel Rosenberg: Is the Bible Uniting Israel? | The Rosenberg Report

November 13, 2025 | 29:30

In this episode, Joel Rosenberg discusses if the Bible is uniting Israel.

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The Rosenberg Report | Joel Rosenberg: Is the Bible Uniting Israel? | The Rosenberg Report | November 13, 2025

Tonight on the rosenberg report,
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Is the war on terror
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And skyrocketing anti-semitism, driving israelis
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To read the bible and bible prophecies
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For the very first time in their lives, amidst israel's
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Darkest hour.
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Are israelis becoming hungry
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To truly seek god
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And really read the holy scriptures like never before?
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And might the controversial first ever translation
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Of the old testament
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Into modern colloquial hebrew, a translation
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That's just about to hit the market here.
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Unlock the purpose and the power of god's word
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And the messianic prophecies for israeli jews
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For the first time in their lives.
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Joel sits down with the managing director
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Of the israeli bible society to get the inside story
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Right here, right now on the rosenberg report.
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The war
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That started on october 7th, 2023 has been so painful,
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So exhausting, so horrific, so deadly,
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So traumatizing to all israelis and of course, to our neighbors
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As well.
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One of the questions that we've covered this war
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From so many different angles, right.
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We've gone into gaza.
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We've met with the foreign minister of israel.
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We met with arab leaders. we met with palestinians.
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We met with israeli pastors on the frontlines.
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We've looked at this war from so many different angles.
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But i think the most important angle to look at is this
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This question is the war
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Driving israelis back into god's word
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For into god's word for the first time?
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I mean, you know, i like to say this is the greatest product
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Israel has ever created.
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It's the bible, right? it's our greatest export.
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And yet so few israelis actually read the word of god
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For themselves.
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And you know, jesus
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Is the most famous israeli in human history, right?
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You know, there are 2.5 billion people
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Around the world who follow jesus, or at least claim to.
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And yet israelis, israeli jews almost know
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Almost nothing about jesus, almost nothing about yeshua.
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They certainly most have not embraced
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Jesus as messiah,
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And in fact, most have never, never read,
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Much less even picked up a new testament.
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So that's the question.
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For the show, is the war shaking israelis enough,
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Especially israeli jews,
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Into starting to read the bible for themselves?
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To answer the question and explore
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This question is a dear friend of mine.
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He actually serves on the joshua fund's israeli board,
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And his name is victor kalisher.
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He is the son of arguably the most famous
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Messianic jewish person in modern israeli history,
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A man who came to faith in jesus after
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His entire family was wiped out in the holocaust,
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Found his way as a young, young man, a young boy,
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He found his way to what was then palestine.
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Grew up,
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Fought in the war of independence
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And so forth, and raised a family.
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Victor is one of his sons.
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And, victor kalisher. thank you so much.
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You are not just a son of, one of the most famous,
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Messianic jewish leaders, who is, you know, now in heaven,
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But you're also the head of the israeli bible society.
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So it, you know, it gives you a unique vantage
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Point on what's really happening.
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So let's start with the question on the board, is the war
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Changing israeli attitudes towards the bible?
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Is it driving some many any israelis into the word of god?
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So definitely
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There are people that are drawn
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To the word of god because of the situation.
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We see many more people that are much more open
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Than ever before.
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We share our faith with people.
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And if before that,
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Some people would say, well, i am a jew, that's not for me.
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Even in a respectful. way, talking about jesus.
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Talking about the about jesus, about our faith.
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Today, people are much more open.
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They are open to talk about jesus.
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They're open to talk about the messianic faith.
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They are much more open than before today.
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There they are asking themselves, many of them, why?
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Why did this happen?
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Why the war happened. why the war happened.
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They are looking into,
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Things that has to do with our unity as a society.
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And they are going back to their roots.
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There is a whole new,
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Movement to, to get together, to try to see what are the things
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That are common to all of us and unite us.
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We are a divided society right now.
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Now, definitely,
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And the bible is definitely the thing that unites us more
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Than anything else.
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But it hasn't always.
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It hasn't because, many people, do not consider themselves
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As people that believe in the bible.
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Many people, even jews,
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Got far away from their identity as jews.
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And being a jew doesn't mean so much to them.
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But now,
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Because of all that is happened, they are asking questions
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And they, and they want to know.
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So but there is a great obstacle.
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There is a great,
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Wall between them and the bible.
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And the reason is that they cannot understand their own
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Bible.
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The hebrew bible that we have today is written in a language
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That is 2007 hundred years old,
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And israel is as much as they want to understand it,
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They cannot just take it and read it and understand it.
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Yeah.
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When you talk to me about this before, you know, i often show
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This is really fascinating to me because in a sense, it's like
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An american english speaker trying to pick
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Up, something like beowulf or even shakespeare.
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Now, some people love shakespeare. wonderful.
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My wife, you know, it was juliet in romeo and juliet.
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She loves shakespeare.
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It's gobbledygook to me.
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I mean, it just doesn't.
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I mean, you know, if i'm
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If i watch somebody do a really good play or movie,
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All right,
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I can follow it, but
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Can i just pick up shakespeare and read it?
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Oh, it's such old english.
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And beowulf is even older in a sense.
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I mean, it's not exactly the same,
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But in a sense,
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We say
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The hebrew,
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The ancient hebrew bible was the same hebrew of today.
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It's got a lot of the same letters,
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But it's not actually something that people can simply
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Just pick up
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And read the book of isaiah or the book of, or even psalms
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Or the proverbs. not at all.
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The language really. time is different.
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Many words change their meaning.
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So sometimes you think that you understand
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Because you do have these words in modern hebrew,
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But it means something totally different.
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Okay, the grammar is different.
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Many of the words
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Are not being used at all in modern hebrew, so they cannot
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Really understand it.
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Even believers cannot understand it.
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So we're going to talk more as we go through the show
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About specific examples of israelis
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Really hungry, interested, curious about reading the bible.
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But you guys at the israeli bible society have come up with
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A translation of the bible
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That would have been very controversial in the past,
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But i think it's actually very, very needed.
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Would you describe what it is you guys are about to unveil?
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So we actually translated the
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Biblical hebrew
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Into modern hebrew and way before translation
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Of the old testament into hebrew.
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This is really a national breakthrough
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Because it gives the israelis today
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A way to engage with their own bible on a personal level.
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They can really read the bible and understand what it says.
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Now, this is controversial because in rabbinical judaism
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And this is the mindset of most jews,
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Because that's what we've learned for 2000 years.
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You cannot really claim to understand the bible,
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Even if you understand sometimes what it says.
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That's not really the meaning.
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That's only touching rabbis
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For their own meaning, their own interpretation.
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And it is some sort of
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Locked up secret that nobody can understand except them.
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So you have to
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Listen to their interpretations of isaiah 53 or psalm 22,
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Or any of the messianic psalm. it's just an example.
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There is a saying, you know,
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A very common saying that says there are 70 faces to the torah,
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Meaning everything can be understood in
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So many ways that you know, how can you read it
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And really understand. hold that thought.
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Yeah. hold that thought.
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When we get back,
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We're going to talk about this more,
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Because the fact that israeli in the modern era
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Have such a hard time actually reading their own scriptures,
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Set aside for a moment the new testament,
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Just their old testament, the hebrew scriptures means
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That even jews who want to know god have a very hard time.
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And what the israeli
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Bible society has done, what victor has done is
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A major breakthrough.
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We're going to get into it more when we come
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Back on the rosenberg report.
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Coming up next on the rosenberg report,
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Why is the israeli bible society's first ever translation
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Of the ancient bible into modern hebrew
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So controversial, but also so important?
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Why might it prove an historic and exciting breakthrough
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That will allow israelis to finally unlock and truly
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Understand the purpose and the power of god's
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Word to change their lives and to discover the meaning
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Of the messianic prophecies like never before.
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Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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Right after the break.
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Right after the break.
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How can israelis who speak modern hebrew today
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Understand what god was telling us
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Plainly and clearly through the tanakh,
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Through the what we call the old testament?
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But how can they understand it if the language of the
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Old testament is so ancient,
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2000 3000 years old?
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How how can current modern israelis really get into it
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And meet god for themselves?
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Joining me is victor kalisher.
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He is a messianic believer.
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He is a pastor, an elder,
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But he's also the head of the israeli bible society.
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Victor, we were just talking
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Before the break about something that's really a revolutionary
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Product.
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The product, i mean, translation,
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In which you guys have decided that it's
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Because you're finding over decades that israeli
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Jews have a much easier time reading the new testament
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Because now it's in modern hebrew,
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Translated from the greek,
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And that they find it easier
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To read the new testament if they will read it at all
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Than they do their own hebrew scriptures.
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So you guys took the
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Controversial, some would say crazy, i think inspired approach
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To, well, let's translate the old testament,
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The jewish scriptures, into modern hebrew,
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The way we would translate something into french
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Or into english or something.
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You know,
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We can't make everybody read greek
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Or even old english, even king james.
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For some they're like, i don't these and those.
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And, you know, i don't get that.
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So reading a modern translation in english
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Is what a lot of people love to read.
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So this is a big deal.
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And talk more about
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Why you think this is going to have a breakthrough impact
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On israelis.
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Because first of all, many more israelis are
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Seeking the bible today than before.
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Many more people are asking themselves,
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You know, what is the thing that unites us?
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Why are these things happening to us?
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The things that these.
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Guys this night different from all of the night,
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Why why are we getting attacked on all sides?
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And isn't there hope? isn't there?
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And we answer from god.
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We get the missiles from iran.
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We see we see the unity between iran and russia and now turkey.
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All of these things that are happening.
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They know some of the stories in the bible.
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They learn about them, but they don't really
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They cannot really have access
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To the word of god and read it for themselves.
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And it is interesting for them.
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So that's the first time that they can really read
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The bible in a continuous, clear
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And beautiful way and understand it.
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So this is a this is a real passion of yours.
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Basically,
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If the israeli society is more interested
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And open
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To reading the bible for themselves
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And trying to meet god, trying to find god,
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Trying to find the hope and the love and the spiritual
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Eternal impact of the bible, of god,
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Of the god of israel, if that's the moment we're in.
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What if they can't read it and understand it?
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And so you guys are saying, look, let's you know, yeah,
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Some rabbis will be furious with us, but
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But they're wrong on a lot of issues.
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Let's give people the bible
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In the actual modern language that they can understand.
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And it's all been very carefully,
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Reviewed by major bible expert to make sure you guys aren't
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Taking liberties. right.
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Not only that, we are saying that we are not.
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Our desire is not to replace the original text.
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The original text is there and even in the first bible
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That we print
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Now with the new translation, and it should
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Come in a few days, at least some of it by ear.
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We have the original side by side with the translation, okay,
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Because we do want them to know the original. yeah.
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And to check and.
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To add something or not.
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On the contrary, we want to show them that,
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Hey, this is reliable.
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You can read it, but if you want to go to the original.
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Great.
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I mean, we as believers, if we read the translation,
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We read the new testament in hebrew, not in greek.
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Well, so so this is something interesting
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You told me earlier, which is what you said.
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So we're talking mainly the benefit for israeli jewish
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Unbelievers who want to discover the bible
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For the first time, want to meet god.
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But even israeli followers of yeshua believers,
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Messianic believers, evangelical israelis,
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Talk to me about why your experience with
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So many of them not actually reading the old testament in
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Ancient hebrew.
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Let me give you an example.
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I think it illustrates it in the best way. okay.
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I just spoke with, a leader of a discipleship program.
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It's a program the disciples prepare. here in.
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Israel.
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Here in israel, israeli young men to do their service
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In the army, how they can be, you know,
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A better testimony of the lord
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While in the service in the army.
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And he came to me and he said, victor,
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I am 100% behind you in this translation.
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All those that are saying that, you know,
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Maybe criticizing and so on, don't listen.
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I'm 100% behind it. why?
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And and he says, i'll tell you why.
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Every morning
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We give these guys at the program
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One hour to read the bible and pray to this,
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To give them the discipline of a personal reading of the bible.
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And these are young people
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That are getting ready to go in the army. exactly.
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This is a training program to get them ready
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To be strong and healthy spiritually as well as fit.
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And many of them,
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They grew up
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In the messianic families
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And in the church, in the congregations.
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And he says, i am going to the first one,
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And they see he's reading the french bible.
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So i ask him, what is that? he says, these are israelis.
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These are israelis, and says, france is my second language.
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But that's the only way i can understand the old testament.
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He goes to the next one. he reads in russian.
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He says, that's my second language,
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But that's the only way i can understand the old testament.
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He goes to the third one.
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He reads english as line.
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That's my second language.
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It's the only way he goes to the fourth one.
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And that's an israeli, you know, a sabra israeli born,
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And he reads a children's bible,
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Children, language, youth, language.
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So it's a must do.
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It's something that was waiting, i think, for this time,
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You know, when they think about it,
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I think, how come it wasn't done 500 years ago,
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You know,
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And it was never done
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Because god was waiting for the right time.
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And this is the right time.
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This is the necessary time to to give the people of israel
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A way to engage with their own
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Word of god in effective way, in the way
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That they can really understand the word of god.
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I know
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It seems strange
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To use this analogy,
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But to an israeli jewish messianic believer
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Who's a leader of the israeli bible say,
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But let me just use an example of the protestant reformation.
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I mean, for hundreds and hundreds,
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Hundreds of years, right? in europe,
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The bible, if it was read at
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All in a cathedral, in a church, was written in latin.
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Right?
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So if you didn't know latin or you didn't know it well, right,
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You didn't have your own bible, you couldn't study
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The bible for yourself.
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But you're trying to be a faithful believer.
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You don't even understand what's being read to you.
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Or you understand or you think you understand it,
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But you really don't.
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Or you understand part of it, but not all it.
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How does that benefit somebody?
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And when they finally said, let's, let's print the bible in
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Local languages so people can read it
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And understand it for themselves,
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Or at least have it read to them.
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In a sense, israeli's need that.
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I don't think most evangelicals in the united states or canada
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Around the world realize how far away israel jews
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Are from the very word of god that god gave to us.
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It's like it's like not only do we have scales on our eyes,
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It's like we can't even literally pick up the bible
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And truly understand it.
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That's a big problem that you're trying to solve.
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It's very much so.
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And the example that you gave of the reformation,
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It's something that they think about many times
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And they say, we need the reformation.
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We need to bring the word of god to the people.
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And, you know, it's it is actually
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One of the ways by which
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The rabbinical authorities have power over the people.
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It's like telling them, well, you don't really
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You cannot really understand it. you need to read
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All these rabbinical sages and their writings.
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You know, i'll give you an example.
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A friend of mine, a pastor of a congregation up north.
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You know him?
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I don't want to mention names right now, but his testimony is
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That when he was in the process of coming to the lord,
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He went with the bible to a rabbi
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To ask him all the questions that he had,
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The things that he found out in the prophecies.
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And he came with the bible.
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And this rabbi took the bible, he threw it away,
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And he told them, what are you coming to me with this bible?
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Look at all these blackberry that i have behind me.
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Do you think that you can understand these bible?
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You have to read all these
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Rabbinical writings to understand what it says.
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And this is these are the.
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It's a trap that you but normal person
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Cannot understand it on their own.
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That's what the rabbis are.
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So and it turned into the culture, into the understanding
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Of, of the society.
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You cannot really understand it.
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You are dependent on the great rabbis
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In order to understand it.
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While it was given from the first time
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For the person to a
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Personal relationship with god and find the way for salvation,
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Find the way of fellowship with god.
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And hold that thought.
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We'll be right back.
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And we're going to continue talking
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About some specific examples of israelis that victor
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And his team are meeting who are super interested.
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They want to read the bible. they want to understand
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The bible.
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They want to meet god.
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They want to find the messiah.
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All that when we return, don't go away.
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Right here on the rosenberg report.
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Coming up next on the rosenberg report,
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Why exactly does victor kalisher,
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The director of the israeli bible society,
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Believe israeli jews are becoming so hungry
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To read the bible for themselves?
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And why are they so eager to read
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And study the biblical prophecies
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About the identity of the messiah
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For the first time in their lives?
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What in the world is going on in israel today?
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And why is the joshua fund
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Investing so heavily in the work of the israeli bible society?
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Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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Right after the break.
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Right after the break.
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Welcome back to the rosenberg report.
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I'm here with victor kalisher,
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The head of the israeli bible society. victor, there.
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Our question is, is the war driving israelis, israeli
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Jews in particular, back into the word of god
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With an interest, a hunger, a desire to know god personally?
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What do you think?
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I just want to hear examples.
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And i think our audience would as well of
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Of examples
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That you guys, you personally and your team are finding.
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So one of the efforts that we started to do
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When the war started with the war is to try
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To encourage the people of israel with,
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Prophecies and promises of god from the bible.
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Okay.
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We wanted them to know what the word of god says
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About the future, about his love for them, about his grace.
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So we started to,
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Publish
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On the social media different promises, beautiful ones.
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And we explained many times we put an explanation of what
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It says
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And gave the fulfillment from the old,
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From the new testament and so on.
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But many times just giving them the link and the text
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In modern hebrew so they can understand it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And we received so many feedbacks from people. wow.
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We didn't know that it is even in the bible.
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They never understood it.
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Wow. so it's the first time that they can read it
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And let the word of god really touch their hearts.
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And we have tens of thousands of responses like that of people
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That are just saying, thank you. this is so beautiful.
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We never knew
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Even believers that read the bible came to me and says,
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You know, i never knew that this is in the bible
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Because i never understood it.
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You were also you created and the joshua fund
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Was able to invest in projects like this.
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As we supported you guys at the bible society for a long time.
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But one thing is it is the modern, audio bible,
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That allows of the old testament as well as, you know,
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Obviously the new testament, but allows people to listen.
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Right?
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Faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of the messiah.
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But but if you can't understand
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The old testament to begin with,
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Listening to it might not help,
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But you guys have created an audio version
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That's pretty exciting.
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And it's an opportunity,
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To thank the joshua fund as well for your great help
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With the implementation of this translation.
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So it's an. honor.
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So the translation is a huge it's a huge project by itself.
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But if you just have it and you cannot use it or,
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Cannot help people have access to it, effective access,
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Then, you know, it's nice, but it doesn't do the work.
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So part of the big project was how do we implement it?
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How do we get it to the hands,
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To the ears, to the hearts of the people?
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Part of it was the social media.
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And we continue to do it
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Three times a week with beautiful messages.
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And but another one of these to create a whole,
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Audio recording.
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Beautiful.
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One of all the old testament in modern hebrew
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And make it available on various platforms.
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So we have it now on spotify,
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We have it on youtube, we have it on our website,
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And we are going to have an app that will have also there.
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So people can just be like on the light
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Rail, going to work, coming home.
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It can be, you know, driving in the front or whatever.
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Exactly. someone call traffic jams, hear.
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Someone call,
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Says, i'm in the traffic jam, but thank you
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So much for this translation, i enjoy it.
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Wow. because you able.
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To listen to it and multitask. exactly.
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And and i can tell you, joel, that it opens
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So many more opportunities to reach out to the people
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Of israel.
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Another ministry just approached us to say,
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We want to do a book of psalms, the beautiful book
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Of psalms, with devotionals to soldiers to encourage them,
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But they will not understand the book of psalms
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In the standard biblical hebrew.
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So they ask is, can we use your translations?
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Of course we would love to.
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And we want to do like the book of isaiah
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And the book of matthew is a booklet, you know,
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So they can read isaiah and they can understand
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How the prophecies with the gospel of matthew,
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The book of job, no one can understand.
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It is such a
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I mean, no one, no one in israel reads the book of job.
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Maybe i am.
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It's tough language sometimes, but but yeah, definitely.
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If it's if it's in some obscure and.
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Impossible to understand it, we will.
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Impossible.
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Unless you are the professor of the,
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You know, biblical hebrew in the university.
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Now you can read it and enjoy this amazing book.
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Another,
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A book that you guys have that i love is psalms
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With the messianic prophecies sort of highlighted in red.
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Evangelicals are used to a new testament
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With the words of yeshua, jesus in red.
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But you guys don't even go that far yet.
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You're just like, hey, here's a here's a book of the psalms.
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You israelis love the psalms, especially,
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Soldiers of the psalms, but they don't always
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Their eyes don't always go to and realized there's a lot of
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Foreshadowing and foretelling of who the messiah will be.
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But they don't know that.
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And so i love this, that version of the bible as well.
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Well, the book of psalms is
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The most quoted book in the in the new testament.
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It has so many prophecies about the messiah.
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You can say that actually the book of psalms,
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The core of it,
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It's about the messiah, because it
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Is about fellowship with god.
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How can you have fellowship with god without the messiah?
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Right.
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So, so what we did in order to reach out to these groups
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In our society that read from that book
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And there are, you know, i don't want to say numbers,
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But there are many people in the israeli society.
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Consider the book of psalms, you know, one of the most
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Holy books and they read it in every opportunity
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That they have.
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So i said, okay, let us write. a book of comfort.
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It's an encouragement, just like it would be for us. exactly.
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So we might read the verses about the messiah
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And there are many of them in the book of psalms
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From the very beginning, some to do. exactly.
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You're my child today. today have given birth to you, right?
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Jesus the son. right? okay.
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Be angry with you. yeah. psalm 41.
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The the one who might first have betrayed me.
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And let me give you an example.
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I was giving these a booklet in one of the cities
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In israel where there are more orthodox jews,
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And they gave it to a person and orthodox man, and he took it.
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And then after ten minutes
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I was coming back on the same street, and he saw me
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And these raising his hand with this booklet,
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And he shouts at me, but this is about jesus.
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It is about jesus.
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Now this is the book of psalms.
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Doesn't say jesus. right? okay.
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So i told him, but where did you see jesus?
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There. it doesn't say, jesus, you found it yourself.
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When they said it, it was like.
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You know. wow. okay. yeah.
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He started smiling. yeah.
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And they told him, you see, you found it yourself. yeah.
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The the whole bible has so many prophecies about the messiah
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And definitely the book of psalms.
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And you see by yourself now you was there.
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He says, thank you, another man in.
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The last one, because we got to go.
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So i'll do it fast.
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In the streets of jerusalem, i'm seeing an orthodox man,
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And i'm giving him that.
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He looks at me and looks at the book,
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Says, you must be a messianic jew,
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Because who else is doing things right?
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Yes. you're right, this is. aren't you afraid to do that?
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You know, some people can hurt you.
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So i told him i would be more afraid,
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If they don't know about it.
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And so he said, in this case, i will take one.
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So it is really.
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I think peter wants to know the truth.
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Everyone wants to know the truth,
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Even if it is a hard truth.
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But they want to know the truth, and the truth sets you free.
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And that's what we want. amen.
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Victor kalisher, i'm so grateful for you.
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I'm so grateful for the bible.
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I am so grateful for how god is using you.
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Yes. the answer. the question is yes.
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The war is driving israeli jews to the word
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Of god more and more, and people are seeking god.
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They are hungry for god.
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So please keep praying
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For all israelis to, you know, because faith comes by hearing.
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The bible says, hearing by the word of the messiah.
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And the bible
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Is doing an amazing job getting the word of god
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To israelis who are hungering for it.
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The joshua fund loves investing in the bible society,
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And they have the benefit of having,
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Victor on the israeli board of the joshua fund.
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Thank you so much for watching.
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Thank you so much for praying, for all israelis to
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To open their hearts to at least read the word of god,
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To at least listen to the word of god,
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And hopefully to respond to the word of god.
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Have a great week.
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As you walk with the lord jesus, as you read his word,
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As you share his word with others,
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As you pray, as you fellowship and you spend time in worship,
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As you love your neighbor, as yourself, as you pray
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For the peace of jerusalem and all the people in this region.
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Have a great week and lord willing,
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I'll see you next week right here on the rosenberg report.
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Joel Rosenberg: Is the Bible Uniting Israel? | The Rosenberg Report

November 13, 2025 | 29:30

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