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December 4, 2025 | 29:39

On this episode of The Rosenberg Report, Joel Rosenberg talks with Yaakov Katz about his new book "While Israel Slept."

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The Rosenberg Report | Joel Rosenberg: Did Israel Miss Warning Signs? (Part 1) | The Rosenberg Report | December 4, 2025

Tonight on the rosenberg report,
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More than two years after october 7th,
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Why hasn't
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The israeli government appointed a state commission of inquiry
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To find how
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The most powerful military in the middle east
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Was blindsided by a genocidal terrorist group?
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What in the world went wrong?
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How do we make sure it never happens again?
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And will
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Anyone be held accountable for the worst slaughter
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Of jews on a single day since the holocaust?
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Tonight, joel sits down with the author of a powerful
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And provocative new book, while israel slept.
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To get the inside story on the most colossal failure
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In israeli history.
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It's all right here, right now on the rosenberg
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Report.
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How in the world did israel miss
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All the warning signs that led to october 7th?
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You know, this is a similar question
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That americans had to ask at the societal level.
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Certainly at the government, intelligence, military level.
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After after september 11th, 2001,
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I was living in washington, dc at that time,
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And i had written
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Write a political thriller called the last jihad.
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People said nobody could imagine
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People hijacking a plane and flying it into an american city.
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I'd written a political thriller about that.
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Exactly.
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And i remember
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The process of the 9/11 commission was important.
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Not everybody listened or believed in the conclusions
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Of the 9/11
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Commission report, but i think that process was important,
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And we still have not seen the israeli government
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Go through such a process formally.
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But two journalists,
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Two israeli journalists decided we're not waiting.
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We're going to write a book
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About what happened, “while israel slept”
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That's the title of the book. “while israel slept”
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How hamas surprised the most powerful military
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In the middle east.
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This is the book.
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It's the, december, pick
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Recommendation of the all israel news book club.
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Last month, of course, was,
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Eli sharabi█s
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Astonishingly, astonishingly powerful.
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Moving, chilling, but also very inspirational book “hostage”.
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This month, we're focusing on this particular book,
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While israel slept, written by two, prominent and important,
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Trusted israeli journalists, yaakov katz and amir bohbot.
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Yaakov is somebody i know.
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Amir is somebody i need to still meet.
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Yaakov, welcome to the set for your first time.
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Welcome to being on the rosenberg report.
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It's great to be with you, joel. thank you for having me.
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Well, i wish we were going to talk about something more,
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Friendly and easy and.
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But but basically, you've done what the israeli government
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Has not done yet.
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Let's get to the politics
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Of a state commission issue in a few minutes.
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But first.
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Where do you even begin?
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Where do you begin in the book?
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What do you think is the number one reason
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Why israeli leaders, from prime minister netanyahu to be fair,
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All the way through the system, military intelligence,
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Diplomatic, arguably.
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How did how did everybody miss what was coming?
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Well, i think you said it correctly.
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This is a colossal failure.
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It's a failure that doesn't just rest in the military.
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It doesn't just rest in the top
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Command of our intelligence agencies.
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It goes from the top of our government
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Down to the soldier who was standing guard
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That morning on the fence and on the barrier with gaza.
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Everyone was believing in something of a fairy tale
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That hamas wanted economic prosperity,
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That hamas could be contained.
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That technology and money could buy us quiet,
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And we could kick the can down the road.
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And that this would work over a period of decades.
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This wasn't something that just
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Popped into someone's mind one day a couple of years ago.
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This was incubated
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And cultivated over a period of years
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With the book does is it really goes
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Obviously to the 36 hours preceding the 6:29 a.m.
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Attack on october 7th,
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When the rockets started to be launched into israel.
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I have to say that one of the things i loved about
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This book was the original reporting that you guys did.
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I wasn't sure if you were going to go in just,
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You know, more of an analytical approach, which you also do.
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But you guys really paint the picture.
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What we would say in journalism, the tik tok sort of the
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The moment by moment of how this thing really played out
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And who was calling whom, who was talking to whom.
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Who got up early thinking
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Maybe something's coming, but i'm not sure.
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Whom should i tell?
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So we go through the blow by blow. exactly.
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That tic tac moment
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Of what was happening at 2 a.m., 3 a.m., 4 a.m.
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Up until the attack actually commences.
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And then in the immediate aftermath.
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But then what we do is.
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And we thought this was the most important.
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Go back in time.
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Go to when hamas was conceived, when hamas was created
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In the 1980s in gaza.
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And i went and amir and i went
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And we met with the officers, the israeli
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Military officials, who were on the ground
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In gaza at the time, who were meeting with sheikh
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Yassin, haniyeh, dief, all the top leaders of hamas,
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Many of them were killed
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By israel over the last two years of this war.
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So it was important to look at
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When hamas came into being into existence.
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What were the warning signs that we saw then?
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And how did we get to this point that we believe that
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A genocidal
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Jihadist terrorist organization could be bought off with money?
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Let's start with the fact, you know,
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That the israeli government at the moment,
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The netanyahu government is resisting formation of a state
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Commission of inquiry, when
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That's what we were told for two years.
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Look, we can't have this
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Until the war is over and the war is effectively over.
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I'm not saying there's not more to do. there is.
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But so what's your assessment of why
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We're not moving quickly to get a formal
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That the israeli version of the 9/11 commission?
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Well, look at something very simple that's happened.
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If you look at the military, the israel defense
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Forces, the idf, if you look at the shin bet,
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That's the security intelligence agency.
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Fbi. exactly.
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But responsible for gathering intelligence on gaza.
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They have both been purged.
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Anyone who basically was was involved in operations
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In the run up to october 7th or involved on the ground
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And operations on october 7th.
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They're no longer in uniform.
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They're no longer in the shin bet.
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Bet when you say purge, but many of them resign.
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Many took responsibility to hire them.
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Correct. but, you know, people were fired.
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Some people were fired. some people were pushed out.
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Some people willingly on their own
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Decided to take responsibility and to walk away from their job.
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That's only happened, though,
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In the military and in the shin bet,
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In the political echelon in the government.
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There's no one who was taken responsibility
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And said, i am accountable.
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And as a as a result, i will step down.
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Now we need a commission of inquiry.
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In my opinion, we need this book is great.
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I think everybody at the top has said we were going.
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Yeah, but we need one because we have to learn
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The lessons so that this won't happen again.
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This is important.
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This happened to us in 1973,
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In the yom kippur war, when we were
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We were surprised by egypt and syria
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In an october of 73, almost 50 years to the day of october 7th,
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It happened.
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Now we have to ensure this doesn't happen again. why?
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The government doesn't want it?
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Because i think they know what it will discover and they know.
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And prime minister netanyahu specifically knows that.
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Look, joel, he was prime minister
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For about 15 years consecutively up until october.
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Hard to say. this didn't happen. correct.
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The policies were set by him.
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Now he's done an amazing
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I think, an astonishing good, good job as a wartime leader,
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Assassinating all the top leadership of both hezbollah
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And hamas, taking out the iran nuclear program.
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So there's a lot of wins as he heads into
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I just want to put the context is we're heading
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Towards elections in 2026.
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Legally, they can't happen later than october.
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They might happen sooner.
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But any way you slice it,
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We're heading into the third anniversary of october 7th.
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With an election that may be a,
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A referendum.
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The correct on
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Where the failure,
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The catastrophic failures on october 7th,
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So much that that group needs to be washed out to see.
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Or did they redeem themselves by how much they got done
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Over the next two years, or is that
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Is that the wrong question even to ask?
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First of all, i totally agree with everything you just said.
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I think that
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When netanyahu was done over the last
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Two years is remarkable, biblical, unbelievable.
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In re-engineering the situation here in the middle east,
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From iran to syria to lebanon and to gaza itself.
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But to you can have two truths at once.
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One, he deserves the credit for this change.
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Two, he deserves the blame for this colossal failure.
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The day that most jews were murdered on a single day
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Since the holocaust was october 7th.
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Coming up next on the rosenberg report,
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What's the single most important question to ask when it comes
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To understanding the most colossal military
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Failure in israeli history?
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How do we make sure such a disaster never happens again?
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And does
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Author yaakov katz believe anyone will be held accountable
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For the worst slaughter of jews
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On a single day since the holocaust?
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Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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Right after the break.
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Right after the break.
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Welcome back to the rosenberg report.
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As we continue to ask this question,
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What in the world went wrong?
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How did mr. security,
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Israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu,
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Who literally used to run,
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Ads on television during political campaigns
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As the bibi-sitter that he was, he was the guy
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That would keep your children safe.
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That failed catastrophically on october 7th, 2023.
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And it's been an amazing job that he's done since.
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But we're still trying to understand what really happened.
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And there's a fascinating must read new book
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While israel slept.
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One of the author is the former editor
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In chief of the jerusalem post. is with us, yaakov katz.
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Yaakov, you go through a lot of reasons.
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I mean, you guys, you and your colleague amir bohbot
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Really do such tremendous reporting.
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I really thought this book was excellent,
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And that's why we're recommending it as a must read.
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So there's several things, but
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You talk about the thing which may be the most important,
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Which was the concept that somehow the entire israeli
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Political and military intelligence security
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Establishment had decided
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The hamas was not a threat.
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Let's keep our eyes on iran, hezbollah,
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Other these have been issues.
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And there was a concept
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In every piece of intelligence that didn't seem to fit that
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Was sort of not paid attention to.
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It was almost,
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I mean, there's
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There are psychological terms for this, you know, people,
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But how would you describe in layman's terms
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The concept that the israeli security establishment
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Was running? well, in hebrew, we call it the concepts.
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Yeah, but it's the concept and and excuse me, the idea being
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That you have a belief system and the belief system is
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That hamas does not want war.
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Hamas wants economic prosperity.
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It wants to continue to get the qatari money.
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Remember, $30 million in cash were going in to gaza
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Every month. yeah, for poor palestinians.
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They were going to hamas, enlarging hamas's budget.
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Israel was allowed in.
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Largely accepted by were affirmed by the
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The netanyahu government over the years.
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It was requested by israel.
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Avigdor lieberman at one point when he was a defense minister
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And naftali bennett pushed back in a while,
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But not enough to stop qatar from shipping this money
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Literally in suitcases. correct.
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And every and it was and it was believed to be working.
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And then the second was that they wanted to their
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Their people in gaza
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To come into israel and to work inside the kibbutzim
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And inside the factories, inside the towns.
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They had about 20,000 people
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For 20,000 people getting an israeli salary
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That was sustaining hundreds of thousands of people in gaza,
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Because. the salary in israel was so much, so.
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Much higher than there.
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And in gaza,
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Sinwar, the leader of hamas, was explaining to israelis,
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Was telling the mediators, the qataris, the egyptians.
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I don't want war, i want quiet.
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You remember that
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There was an operation just about a year before october
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7th, in the summer of 2022 was just about 48 hours.
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Israel took out just islamic jihad guys,
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And hamas stood on the sidelines so they didn't get involved.
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Israel saw that and said, one second,
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Hamas really doesn't want war.
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So altogether it created this prism
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And this concept, this prism is that hamas is deterred.
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It doesn't want. hamas.
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So it wasn't just that
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Israelis were coming up with their own assessment.
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Hamas was building a
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A narrative
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To lower the suspicion, lower the guard of the israeli.
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This was deception at its best.
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And it lowered the guard.
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And it got israel to believe that there was no chance of war.
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And that's why, even in the months
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Ahead of the of october 7th,
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There were reports, there were the female soldiers
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Who were stationed along the border, surveillance.
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Watching all this stuff.
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Watching things, watching their reports.
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Weren't listened to.
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They were seeing senior hamas
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Commanders coming closer to the border.
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They were seeing training along the border.
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There was a,
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Non-commissioned officer in the gaza
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Division, intelligence officer, who wrote a report
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Called the jericho walls, joel..
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For the biblical jericho walls that came tumbling down
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Back in the time of joshua.
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And her report basically warned hamas is preparing
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To breach this very sophisticated border.
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But it was all ignored because it didn't fit the concept.
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That's the term
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In psychological parlance, is confirmation bias.
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You're basically, unless a piece of data fits what
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You think is going to happen anyway, you you ignore it.
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You don't say, oh, that doesn't that doesn't fit.
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I should focus on that and say, what?
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What is that telling me?
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And we sort of and we all do it.
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We all do in our marriages.
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We do it with our children.
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We do it in our workplaces.
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But when you're working at the highest levels
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Of keeping the israeli people secure and the zionist,
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Enterprise alive, which is never again will never allow,
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There will be a war here, and there will win it.
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We're not going to just allow
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Women and children of holocaust survivors to be slaughtered,
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Raped, burned alive in their homes while they sleep
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On a sabbath morning in the jewish state of israel.
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That█s bad.
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No. and and especially that confirmation
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Bias that you talk about intelligence agency.
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You are meant to have safeguards and have systems in place
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That constantly are countering
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And questioning and second guessing this.
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But here's the other piece of it.
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We have soldiers along the border.
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We believe. we know that morning. right?
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But we know that hamas is a genocidal group.
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We've been fighting with them a war every two years.
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This is no news to israel, right?
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Why didn't we raise the level before?
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So why? well,
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There are different answers, but one of them is that.
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And this gets.
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And it sounds crazy today, joe.
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But the answer was, at the time they were afraid the israeli
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Military commanders, that
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If we raised the level of alert
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And hamas sees that
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We're raising the level of alert,
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They will think that we're attacking
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Even if they weren't planning
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To attack, and then they will attack.
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So the whole question of is hamas planning a drill?
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Is hamas planning an attack?
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This debate that was going on throughout
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The night was because there were signs
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There were signals that were going off
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That were showing that hamas was preparing something,
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But they just couldn't put their finger.
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You know what it was?
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We had the information.
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We lacked the imagination. yeah. yeah.
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Well that would
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That is the the central line from the 9/11 commission report.
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It wasn't a lack of intelligence was a lack of imagination
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To put these things together.
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There was a couple other things related to this.
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One was you got you discovered i had never seen it
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Reported anywhere else
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That there were a bunch
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Of israeli cell phones, mobile phones that,
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That sim cards start to get loaded in.
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And the israeli intelligence
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Was starting to pick up all these phones,
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Sort of lighting up, in the 24 hours or so before
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That had happened before, and nothing had happened.
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So that was another piece of,
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Well, are they getting ready for something or not?
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So yeah, you had a couple of three primary signs.
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One was on friday, so about 24 hours before
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Suddenly about 100
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Cell phones go live in gaza with israeli sim cards.
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So it means 1 or 2 things.
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Either you suddenly have 100 israelis in gaza,
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That's not a good thing, or you have 100
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Palestinians in gaza who have switched their
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Sim cards and are planning to come into israel,
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And they want to be able
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To continue to communicate,
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Which means maybe there's an infiltration on its way.
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But then when they looked back, they saw that a year prior,
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They had also tested a smaller number of about 30/40,
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But nothing happened. maybe this is the annual oil
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Checkup of the sim cards in gaza.
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That was piece one.
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Piece two was during the night.
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Suddenly we start to detect them, uncovering
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Underground rocket launchers, seemingly
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Getting ready to launch rockets.
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That's where the drill comes into play.
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So the sim cards last year, this year, probably a drill.
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This is also part of a drill.
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The israeli intelligence intercepts
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A phone call between an islamic jihad operative,
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Another terrorist group,
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And a senior hamas
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Operative, the islamic jihad operative
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Says, what are you guys doing
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Uncovering these rocket launchers?
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And he says, don't worry about it.
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It's a drill that further deception and deceives israel
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Into believing this actually is a drill.
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Then we start to see them preparing
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Underground bunkers for people like muhammad dief, the elusive,
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Deadly, terrible mastermind of this attack,
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The senior hamas military commander.
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He ends up getting killed in an israeli airstrike,
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But they're preparing the underground
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Bunker tunnel network for him and his family.
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Like we said,
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There was a lot of different alarm bells that were going off.
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And for that reason, even the idf chief of staff
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At the time
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Hertslive is home is getting these phone calls, is getting
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Some of these reports,
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Goes into his study because he doesn't
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Like to take the calls from his bed,
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Goes into a study and writes a note to himself.
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Don't just dismiss this as if it's nothing.
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But tragically,
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They dismissed it.
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And when 6:29 a.m.
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That when the clock struck that time,
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The thousands of rockets began getting launched into israel
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And hamas raided the border and raided those frontline,
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Idf positions and the kibbutzim.
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Okay,
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At least one other major,
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Element of
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At least netanyahu and his teams,
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An increase in ability, perhaps, to see what was coming
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Was i think, was
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The fact that netanyahu believed he and his team were changing
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The middle east.
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He had successfully, with president trump, brokered four
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Historic arab-israeli peace agreements,
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What became known as the abraham accords.
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And netanyahu truly was, within weeks,
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Maybe a month or two of finishing a deal
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With mohammed bin salman, the crown
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Prince of saudi arabia, a saudi israeli peace, normalization of
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Agreement would have been absolutely game
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Changing and would have opened the door
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For many other countries, indonesia and many other.
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You're one of the few.
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Israelis, israeli citizens who actually sat with mbs, met
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Him and had conversations, which is remarkable and of itself.
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Which is why i believed all the data that i was seeing,
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That this was inbound, that i, i believe that mbs wanted it.
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He was looking for the right moment.
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And given that the abraham accords
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Had been going well with the other countries,
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The moment seemed ripe.
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Now, talking
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To saudi officials at a senior level later,
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They now say they feel like they inadvertently played a role,
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In, in, in triggering october 7th
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Because when the crown prince sat down with brett baer
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Of fox news and said, you know, effectively we're that close.
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That was a signal to iran if if we're going,
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We better send hamas and hezbollah into motion.
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All that to say,
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Netanyahu thought he was dealing with a new middle east
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And that in management terms,
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You and i talked about this on the joshua fund, podcast.
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There's, you know, people say there are problems to solve
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And then there are tensions to be managed.
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Netanyahu never saw hamas as a problem to solve.
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He believed it was a tension that you could manage
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And manage effectively while you would bigger fish to fry.
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We're dealing with iran and dealing with hezbollah,
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And we might make peace with the saudis. so let's not
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The boat
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Would that would provoke exactly a conflict to our south
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That a how did that fit in the book in your reporting?
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100% that, we had bigger fish to fry.
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And netanyahu himself even writes this in our biography.
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I was focusing on iran, hezbollah, hamas
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We could deal with. we had it under control.
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We did not. and we paid the price for that.
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The memoirs came out before.
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Correct?
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October 17th. the year before.
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Yeah. but he does say.
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But he does give insight into that,
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Into that type of thinking,
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The saudi normalization, which we were close, as you say,
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And i was hearing this from the biden
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Officials at the time and from the israeli officials.
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There's no doubt.
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And according to israeli intelligence, this was one of
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The leader of hamas's ambitions.
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Torpedo this, prevent this from happening.
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Blow it up.
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And look so far he has succeeded.
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We just saw the visit
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A few weeks ago of mbs to washington, talks
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Of arms sales, talks of civilian nuclear energy.
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Not yet,
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At least at that meeting, talk of normalization with israel.
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So there's a lot going on.
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But we're still not where we want it to be.
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But i think that hamas had other ambitions here as well.
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And this was
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Let us bring the palestinian issue
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Back to the forefront of the world's agenda.
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Look at how they got recognition
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Of a palestinian state from france, britain,
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Canada, australia, belgium, spain and others
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Turn the gaza strip and the palestine
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Issue into the rallying cry of all youth around the world.
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And joe, we've spoken about what's going on
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In the college campuses and all over the world.
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Any city you go to today “free gaza”
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“from the river to the sea”
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I mean, this is what they have succeeded in doing.
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And and therefore and israel at the same time
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Isolated on the international stage.
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So if you're seeing war, god forbid,
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But if sinwar comes back,
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He looks up at the world today.
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I'm not sure that he says to himself that this was a failure.
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Coming up next on the rosenberg report,
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What's the most important question to ask when it comes
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To trying to understand the most colossal failure
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In israeli military history?
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And what exactly is the answer?
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Find out when the rosenberg report continues on tbn
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Right after the break.
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Right after the break.
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Welcome back to the rosenberg report.
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We only have a few moments, but i want to ask yaakov katz
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The most important question so far. why?
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With all that planning by hamas,
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Why didn't hezbollah move at the exact same moment?
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Wasn't that the iranian plan?
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And from their perspective, what went wrong for them?
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Well, this was this is an important question,
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Because what
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Hamas wanted to do, together with iran
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And hezbollah was launch a coordinated assault.
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And i mean, joel, if that had happened on that
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Saturday morning, hezbollah coming across the north, iran
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Raining down its long range
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Ballistic missiles on israel and hamas coming from the south,
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I shudder at the thought at what that would have.
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It has to have a ten year plan.
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They were trained. they were armed.
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I went and saw the 18,000 weapons,
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Up on an idf base up north, and saw the plans.
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That would've been a terrifying.
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How did how come i didn't have.
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Hamas jumped the gun?
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This was supposed to be coordinated.
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Sinwar apparently got to his head.
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He wanted to take the glory.
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He wanted to be the first.
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He went first.
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And by october 8th, when hezbollah sees the next day
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Or or the few hours immediately, this is happening.
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Israel, one of the most brilliant things
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It did in that moment was send tens of thousands of reservists
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To the northern border.
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So hezbollah now
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Sees this amassing of soldiers on the israeli side.
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Their idea of a ground invasion is not going to work anymore.
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So they start with the rockets that starts october 8th,
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And that leads us into the war that we,
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To some extent, is still ongoing between israel and hezbollah.
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Israel just taking out the other day,
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The second highest, military chief within the, hezbollah.
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Look, i, as an evangelical, think it was a miracle
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That as bad as october 7th was..
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And it was horrifying.
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And i still processing it, theologically and personally
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As an israeli and all the people we've met and interviewed.
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But i think it is a miracle of god, the protection of god.
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That he didn't allow hezbollah to move in the same way.
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You're a religious jew. i don't know if you see it.
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In theological terms, you know, you would call it a miracle,
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But by the grace of god, we were...
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I don't know if you could say we could...
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We would have lost the country.
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But i've talked to very senior people.
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I think we would have
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I don't know how we would have won this war.
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I don't know either.
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And this is without a doubt the silver lining of this
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Of what happened on october 7th,
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This wake up call that had happened with hamas.
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And as terrible as it was,
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1200 people massacred, 251 taken hostage.
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Israel dragged into a war
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That to some extent still continues today,
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That it didn't happen in the from the bigger enemy
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That we were facing in the north is
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We could look at it as divine intervention.
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And then you're going to thank you so much.
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Thank you for the book.
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This is the book you need to read in december, at least.
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Eli sharabi█s book, “hostage”
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Was the book you needed to read in november.
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Even if you get this book,
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And give it as a gift, which i would encourage you.
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And you were like, i don't really want my hanukkah
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Christmas reading to be about how israel missed this.
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Okay. fair enough. get the book anyway.
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Give it as a gift
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And read it in january, when things are a little quieter.
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And, because we because we as evangelicals
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Who love israel and are praying for israel
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And its protection,
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We need to understand what happened, why it happened,
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And how to make sure it never happens again.
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Thank you so much for watching.
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Have a great week. we are out of time.
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I encourage you to share a link to the show.
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You can get it.
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Rosenbergreport.tv, or on our youtube channel.
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Share it on social media with family and friends.
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Let them understand this and encourage them
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To pick up a copy of this book while israel slept as well.
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Thank you again for watching.
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Have a great week
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With your family and friends as you walk with the lord jesus.
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Walk in the power of the holy spirit.
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Keep praying for the peace of jerusalem.
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Keep praying for the supernatural
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Healing of every hostage, every hostage, family member,
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Every soldier, every israeli and palestinian
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Who has been terribly, terribly traumatized by this war.
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And pray for a better here, a quieter year, a safer year
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In 2026.
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And lord willing,
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I'll see you next week right here on the rosenberg report.
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Joel Rosenberg: Did Israel Miss Warning Signs? (Part 1) | The Rosenberg Report

December 4, 2025 | 29:39

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